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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. We have the

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Speaker 1: pleasure of being joined by Jeff Rebeck of The Athletic.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's definitely a top what three reporter? I mean, we

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Speaker 1: got me a Jeff. I won't put him in order,

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Speaker 1: but you know, definitely top three.

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Speaker 2: Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today, but we really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure to guys. Hope you guys are having a

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Speaker 2: good summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you too, you too. As you well know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's NFL vacation season, but you know, people still want

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Speaker 1: the Ravens talk, and so there's there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: questions to be answered this offseason still, and I kind

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Speaker 1: of want to start big picture with you, Jeff, just

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Speaker 1: as you look at this team now and look at

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Speaker 1: the roster, you know, how good do you think this

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Speaker 1: team can be in twenty twenty three?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think it's a really good roster.

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Speaker 2: I was doing a exercise over the weekend where I

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Speaker 2: was looking at all the available free agents, and I

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Speaker 2: was shocked how many guys are out there like that,

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Speaker 2: the legitimate guys, like guys that you know, at very

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Speaker 2: least could be you know, strong backups. And you know,

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Speaker 2: you look at the Ravens where they if needs and

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Speaker 2: they could consider adding. But you know, I think it's

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Speaker 2: a pretty deep roster. I like the mix of veterans,

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Speaker 2: I always like it when they have kind of bigger

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Speaker 2: finding guys, and nowadays with the increased you know, practice squad,

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Speaker 2: you can keep guys. So I like that. But I

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Speaker 2: think the biggest thing I like guys is just the

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Speaker 2: you know, and and I'll knock out what as I

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Speaker 2: say this, but the health of the team in general.

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Speaker 2: People tend to forget the state of the health of

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Speaker 2: the team last year at this time, when we did

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Speaker 2: at all. And and you know, injuries happen, but the

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Speaker 2: ones that hurt the most are the ones that linger

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Speaker 2: So I think overall, when when you look at the

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Speaker 2: Ravens roster. I think that's that's one of the main

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Speaker 2: things you have to feel really good about. You know,

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Speaker 2: the fact that we'll start training camp in about a month,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you expect most guys to be on

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Speaker 2: is very important. You're gonna lose guys to the course

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Speaker 2: of the season, but when you're already starting with six

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Speaker 2: seven guys that you don't know when they're gonna play,

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Speaker 2: then the injuries sort of add up and then you

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Speaker 2: got a problem on your hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It's funny. I saw I've seen some

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Speaker 1: like national pundits or whatnot outside of Baltimore say, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can trust the Ravens because

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Speaker 1: their health And I'm I'm thinking the same thing as

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Speaker 1: I mean, a you can't ever predict injuries to happen,

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Speaker 1: it's like, actually, they're in really good shape health wise,

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Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of question marks outside of Bateman,

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Speaker 1: I mean, OBJ, but he's had forever to come back.

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Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, it's kind of a lazy narrative too. I

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Speaker 2: people tend to forget. In twenty nineteen, they were the

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Speaker 2: healthiest team in football. Twenty twenty, they came back and

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Speaker 2: you know, Football Outsiders does that adjusted games lost thing

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Speaker 2: So you know, I think this this, You know, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, Jeff, if I want to go a big

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Speaker 3: picture here, if you were to go back six months

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Speaker 3: lot of us felt like the Lamar question could still

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Speaker 3: we spent basically the last year talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, if you go back, aren't.

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Speaker 1: You glad we didn't bring you on the pod to

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like, go back six months and like

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Speaker 3: amazing how quickly you forget like, oh, yeah, that that

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Speaker 3: so just what is your take on on the significance

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Speaker 2: currently dealing with it with Saquon about you have to

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Speaker 2: some sort of holdout or I would I don't want

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Speaker 2: would have never gone away. It would have we would

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Speaker 2: not have have been had an enjoyable break, Garrett. So

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Speaker 2: that up, I'm not the most upbeat of guys, but

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Speaker 2: that that made me feel a lot better. That yes,

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Speaker 2: far better outlook about the summer and and truly when

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Speaker 2: you know, like it's probably over exaggerated, but it did

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Speaker 2: when that got done, I think that was a huge development,

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Speaker 2: the more he's gonna get. They made very clear this

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Speaker 2: whole lot more responsibility at the line of scrimmage. And

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Speaker 2: you earn that responsibility too, so you know, but the

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Speaker 2: I don't know how the whole contract situation cannot be

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Speaker 2: it adds to the annoyance of it. It was just

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Speaker 2: That's just how it's gonna be. But it really, you know,

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Speaker 2: Lamar to have a very good year, you know, get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think of the like in terms

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Speaker 3: plenty of times, Like the personality certainly stands out, like

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Speaker 3: beyond that, like what stands out to you when you

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Speaker 2: Well, you know it goes along with the personality and

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Speaker 2: just the sense of urgency. And you see him sprinting

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Speaker 1: Well and the you know, now Lamar deal's done, you

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think we've been kind of looking

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Speaker 2: But I'm not completely dismissing the idea that they won't

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Speaker 2: If they could find, uh, you know, a number, I don't. Again,

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Speaker 3: All right, good stuff, Jeff. We're gonna take a quick

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Speaker 1: All right, so I want to talk about kind of

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Speaker 1: make a move. Which one do you think is more likely?

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Speaker 1: And do you think they have enough space for both?

430
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Speaker 1: Like what do you see happening there?

431
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I mean I think when you look

432
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Speaker 2: at their list of sort of things they need, I

433
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Speaker 2: mean I think you break them into the two parts.

434
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Speaker 2: There's there's areas I think where they probably could use

435
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Speaker 2: a camp body, right, you know, like you look at

436
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Speaker 2: tight end. You got four I believe on the roster

437
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Speaker 2: right now because they released they released one during the

438
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Speaker 2: mini camp. I doubt Mark Andrews is gonna see the

439
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Speaker 2: field much in preseason? Uh. Patrick mccards Patrick Patrick mccard's

440
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: starting the season, John said, excuse me starting the preseason

441
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Speaker 2: or training camp on pop and then you have I

442
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Speaker 2: don't even know if you're gonna want to see too

443
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Speaker 2: much of Isaiah likely, I mean I think you will.

444
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Speaker 2: I think we'll play a little but and say so

445
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Speaker 2: in saying that, I think you need another body at

446
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: tight end just to get you through. You may need

447
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: an emergency kicker because I don't need to see Justin

448
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: Tucker kicking in the preseason at all. I'm sure you

449
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: guys don't either. And even a running back, I think

450
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Speaker 2: you could use their body at running back because I

451
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Speaker 2: don't think you'll see Dobbins or Edwards much much, if

452
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Speaker 2: at all. You will not see JK. Dobbins a preseason game.

453
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Speaker 1: I can guarantee that.

454
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: So again, those are camp body needs where you just

455
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Speaker 2: kind of get a guy. But yeah, the two needs

456
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Speaker 2: that stand out or outside lineberg corner. I think I

457
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Speaker 2: think they're gonna get both. I think the more likely

458
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Speaker 2: it is probably you know, linebacker. If you say it,

459
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Speaker 2: just it just there's a lot of guys out there,

460
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Speaker 2: and starting with a guy who had nine and a

461
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: half sacks for the Ravens last year and Justin Houston,

462
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Speaker 2: and you still have Clowney and Melvin Ingram and Van Noy.

463
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Speaker 3: I mean, well, what's with just real quick on Houston, Jeff, Like,

464
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Speaker 3: what is the deal there? Does he does he have

465
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Speaker 3: his his flight booked for Baltimore already like he did

466
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Speaker 3: or or is he looking elsewhere? Like what what is

467
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Speaker 3: what is your expectation there?

468
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's shutting down any offers and and

469
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Speaker 2: and the sounds of it is there has been some

470
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Speaker 2: interest in him. I just think he's a veteran. He

471
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Speaker 2: doesn't he's not worried over the next month like you know,

472
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Speaker 2: Like I think last year Garrett did he resign on

473
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Speaker 2: August fifth? I think it was. I think word leaked

474
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Speaker 2: out earlier, but I don't think it got done till

475
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Speaker 2: like August fifth. The year before, it was the second

476
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Speaker 2: week of July. So he's a no rush show, listen

477
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Speaker 2: to what teams have to say. But I think when

478
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Speaker 2: it comes down to it, he knows it's a good

479
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: fit here. They love him here, and uh, you know,

480
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: if he wants to play, I think he knows it'll

481
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: probably be a nice spot for him to come to here.

482
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Speaker 2: So why not take the time to listen to other

483
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Speaker 2: options to make sure you're fully committed to playing? So

484
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't be shocked if that happens. And

485
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Speaker 2: and and as I said, there are other guys even

486
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Speaker 2: if if something with with Justin Houston doesn't materialize. I

487
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Speaker 2: know I was kind of you know, a Dafeoway still

488
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Speaker 2: talks to Houston, and I forgot whether it's OTAs or

489
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Speaker 2: mandatory mini camp when oh Way talked, but he mentioned

490
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Speaker 2: Justin Houston had a decision to make and that was

491
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Speaker 2: sort of interesting, interesting wording to me. So, but that guy,

492
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Speaker 2: at his age, I'm sure Justin Houston wants to make

493
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Speaker 2: sure he's ready to play, he wants to play, he's

494
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Speaker 2: fully committed, and then he you know, he finds the

495
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Speaker 2: right spot for him. But you know, know again, but

496
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Speaker 2: I also think they'll bring in a corner at some point,

497
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Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me if it's Kyle Fuller or you know,

498
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Speaker 2: there's other guys out there. I mean, Anthony Averett's still

499
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Speaker 2: out there. You know, there's plenty of guys without Raven

500
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Speaker 2: Times Callahan, who played with Chargers last year, William Jackson.

501
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Speaker 2: So you know, I think I think I counted yesterday guys,

502
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Speaker 2: and I think the Ravens added about five veterans from

503
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Speaker 2: July through like the second week of the priest from

504
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Speaker 2: the training camp. You know last year, Houston was added,

505
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Speaker 2: Whirley was added, Clement, who only lasted three weeks, was added,

506
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Speaker 2: Trent Harris, the linebacker who got hurt in his first practice.

507
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: So again, not every guy made an impact. David Sharp

508
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: was another one who was added right around training camp.

509
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Speaker 2: Not every guy made an impact, but this is what

510
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Speaker 2: they do, so it didn't surprise me if we'll see

511
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Speaker 2: several more guys in here before all said and done.

512
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Speaker 1: Who wasn't Beagle, Well he was added kind of Yeah. Yeah,

513
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Speaker 1: he looked like he was going to have a role

514
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Speaker 1: last year before his injury. Like it was like, he

515
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Speaker 1: looks like he's gonna definitely make the fifty three.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that sort of was the start of things.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean early in the season, you know, they're bringing

518
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: guys off practice squads to rush the quarterback, so they

519
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: were kind of thin there, so there was an opportunity

520
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: there for a guy like him.

521
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, cornerback is really the interesting one to

522
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Speaker 1: me because there hasn't been an obvious number three or

523
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Speaker 1: slot corner and so, like you know, you mentioned like Callahan,

524
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Speaker 1: that kind of makes a lot more sense. But you know,

525
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Speaker 1: some of these guys like Anthony Avertt, he hasn't played

526
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Speaker 1: in the slot at all. You know, Fuller is not

527
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Speaker 1: really a slot guy from my recollection, you know, so

528
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Speaker 1: Marcus Peters, you know who still is sitting out there.

529
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Speaker 1: He's outside corner. So, like, I don't know what's going

530
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Speaker 1: to happen. I mean, there's always that you have the

531
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Speaker 1: option where you could bump Rocky a scene into the

532
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Speaker 1: slot when you go three corners or Marlin obviously he's

533
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Speaker 1: done it. You don't want to, But like I guess,

534
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious for your perspective on what you think

535
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Speaker 1: ultimately happens with the number three cornerback spot.

536
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's tough. That's a tough position to

537
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Speaker 2: play as a young player. But how as a young

538
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: player do you develop and get better without playing? You know,

539
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. And I think the Ravens can

540
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Speaker 2: afford early in the season to take a you know,

541
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Speaker 2: to have give young guys a chance to see if

542
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Speaker 2: they step. But you know, Marion Milliams, excuse me to

543
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: Marion Williams played well at times last year, he just

544
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: didn't really get you know, consistent reps. And Jalen armor

545
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: Davis had his moments and then he sort of was injured.

546
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: Trayvon Mullen is another guy, Blue Kelly and again Brian

547
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: Not all those guys are slot guys. Obviously, to Marion

548
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: Williams would fit in fit in there, but you do

549
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: have Brandon Stevens as a potential slot option. I think

550
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton is some looks he'll be in there. I

551
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: think the best fit would be a slot guy like

552
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: a Callahan, you know, but they've been pretty consistent. I

553
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: you know, I think there's people in the building that

554
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: actually like Marlin in the slot. You know, get him

555
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: closer to line of scrimmage. He's a great tackler, he

556
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: gets the ball out, allow him the blitz a little bit.

557
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: So I think they would like the freedom to put

558
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: him in there at times. So again, I don't think

559
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: the cupboard is bear, but I do think when you

560
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: add a guy, you'd like to be pretty comfortable that

561
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: he could hold his own, you know, in the slot,

562
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: like a guy like William Jackson. I'm not sure where

563
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: he's at. He hasn't played a lot of football recently.

564
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: He can certainly play the slot. At one point he

565
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: looked like one of the better, you know, up and

566
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: coming slot corners in the league. So there's guys out there.

567
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a guy they're looking at a

568
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 2: break the bank on at all. I just think it's

569
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: another VET that'd like to add to the mix because,

570
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: as we all know, that's the one position where it's

571
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: kind of been a struggle every year to make sure

572
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: you have enough depth and you keep guys healthy.

573
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: So Jeff on the offensive side of the ball. We're

574
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: all excited about the receiving corps and how good this

575
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: group could be. And you know, John Harbaugh talked at

576
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 3: Mini camp, you know, he brought up the class from fourteen,

577
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: the group of fourteen where it was Tory, Jacobe and

578
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: Steve Smith that year, and how hey, I think this

579
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: group could rival that one. And you know, I think

580
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: it has a potential, like as you look at it

581
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: on paper, to be one of the best receiving corps

582
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: in Baltimore in quite some time. And now there's a

583
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: big difference from seeing it on paper and then having

584
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: that translate to the games. And that's what we're going

585
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: to find out this year. But what do you expect

586
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: from this receiving corps. We've seen a little bit of

587
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: Odell Beckham, I know, and talking with you at Mini camp.

588
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: You know, even though Overshot Bateman didn't practice, you know,

589
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: you weren't sounding the alarm about him missing that practices

590
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: at Mini camp for getting the courterzone shots. Just what

591
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: are your expectations for the receiving corps and I think

592
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: Bateman in particular, given that he's coming back from that injury.

593
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think you know, scar tissue among

594
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: the fan base and even some reporters is why kind

595
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: of there was an overreaction of Bateman. It's sort of

596
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: a here we go again, We've dealt with this. I mean,

597
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: it's a mandatory Mini camp. I don't care. I'm not

598
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: particularly you know, he had a list Frank injury. I mean,

599
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: that's that's a significant injury yet surgery. If someone told

600
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: you when he had that surgery, I don't think any

601
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: of us would have expected him to be on the

602
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: field for Mini Camp, you know, Like, so that's I

603
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: just sort of saw the big picture, you know, And

604
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: the bottom line is you'd like all these injury rehabs

605
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: just to keep progressing, keep progressing, and there'd be no setbacks.

606
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: But that's just not how things work. And I'm not

607
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: even saying this was a setback. But you know, obviously

608
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: people saw him on the field some in OTAs and

609
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: then he wasn't in manatory mini camp, and I was, oh,

610
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: here we go again. You know, I you know, I

611
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: don't I get it to an extent, but let's wait

612
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: till training camp. And he may not be an everyday guy,

613
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: but I think we've all seen what Rashad Bateman can do.

614
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't a guy where you have to

615
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: project from college to see Rashad Bateman at his best.

616
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, just go back to that Miami game where

617
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: he took a short pass to the house or some

618
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: of the other plays he's made at times. You know,

619
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Speaker 2: this isn't just a guy who's been a you know,

620
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: mister July and mister August and dominated training camp and

621
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: just hasn't done anything. And you know, we've seen our

622
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: fair share of receivers that have done that and then

623
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: get to the game and you don't see him. But

624
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: this is not him. We've seen him show up in

625
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: big way in a game. The kid can flat out play.

626
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: He just needs to stay healthy. And I just think

627
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: you've given yourself some depth, You've given yourself some options.

628
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: I don't you know. Obviously, Mark Andrews is going to

629
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: continue to get targeted and heavily, and he and and

630
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: he should. I mean, Lamar loves throwing the middle of

631
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: the field. He has a special chemistry with with Lamar Jackson,

632
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: excuse me, with Mark Andrews. So it makes sense, and

633
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you want Mark Andrews to have the ball

634
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: thrown to him? But I think as the receivers, I

635
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: think it's very much gonna be kind of a week

636
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: by week thing where you know, one guy, you know,

637
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: maybe Bateman has the hot hand and he gets nine

638
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: or ten targets. The next next week, maybe it's Beckham,

639
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: or maybe it's uh, you know, Zay Flowers. I just

640
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: think they have a lot of guys that can, you know,

641
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: hurt teams and that have teams have to prepare for

642
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: in different way, and a lot of guys if they

643
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: need a play late in game, can make a play

644
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: and can stress a defense. And I just don't think

645
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: they've they've had that. So I just kind of look

646
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: at the totality of the group as a whole. They've

647
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: upgraded the talent there. That should help Lamar, that should

648
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: help you know, Mark Andrews get less attention in the

649
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: middle of the field. That should open up their things

650
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: for the running game. So, uh, I think it's great.

651
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all obsess over, oh, how

652
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: many plays is this guy playing? How many targets is

653
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: this guy getting? And you know there'll be some of

654
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: that this year too, but uh, I mean the point

655
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: is to have a much upgraded passing game and to

656
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: have a lot of go to options when you need

657
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: to play, and and they've certainly increased their ability to

658
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: do that.

659
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Speaker 1: What do you think Zay Flower's rookie line looks like?

660
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Speaker 1: Like how involved does he get?

661
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: I think probably slow early, just because you know, they

662
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: do have other veterans. But you know, I think there's

663
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Speaker 2: gonna be a Zay Flower game where he just kind

664
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Speaker 2: of breaks out and it's you know, like I remember

665
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: we saw that with toyat the Rams. Now, I'm not

666
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Speaker 2: predicting three touchdowns in a half. I mean, that's probably unfair,

667
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: But I think there'll be a Za Flowers game where

668
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: he just kind of goes off and you know, early

669
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Speaker 2: in the season, maybe he's getting a handful here and there.

670
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Speaker 2: And you know, again I was asked, you know earlier today,

671
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Speaker 2: you know, where do you see Beckham fitting Is this

672
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Speaker 2: going to be a high target guy or or you know,

673
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Speaker 2: and I don't know that any of these guys other

674
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Speaker 2: than maybe Mark Andrews, are going to be high target guys.

675
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Speaker 2: But what I like about Beckham is his ability to

676
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Speaker 2: be in the clutch, to make a big play on

677
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: third down when you need it. I mean, we saw

678
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: it against the Ravens when he was with the Rams,

679
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: you know, like in that game here, you know, Stafford

680
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: found him when they needed a play and that final drive.

681
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he makes some of those plays

682
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: and you know you have him there. I don't really

683
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: care if how many targets he's getting, you know, so

684
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Speaker 2: you know, I think Flowers probably, you know, I don't

685
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: predict a huge year for him just because of you know,

686
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: the other targets they have, but I fully expect him

687
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Speaker 2: to be an impact player before the end of the season.

688
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Speaker 1: Jeff, just talking anti fantasy talk right there. I don't

689
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: care how many targets he gets. The fantasy owners right

690
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: now are just sighing.

691
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Speaker 3: Come on, you know, it is tough. Like we've talked

692
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: about it a little bit. I mean, we're not gonna

693
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: do the full season predictions here. We'll save that for

694
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Speaker 3: another podcast. In terms of mapping out exactly what we

695
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: expect everybody to get but I don't know who. I

696
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: would say, especially even throw Mark Andrews in there. But

697
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: if you take him out, like who leads the team

698
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: in receiving ourds, who leads the team in catches and

699
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: receiving touchdowns? Like when we do this podcast, the Prediction Podcast,

700
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Speaker 3: for the last three years, it's been like, all right,

701
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Speaker 3: just give me Andrews across the board for all three

702
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Speaker 3: of those. I don't know if it's still the case,

703
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Speaker 3: and if you're just talking about the receivers, it's just

704
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Speaker 3: difficult to predict for me. Like I guess I would

705
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Speaker 3: say Beckham, but it's just hard to know because we

706
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: haven't seen Zay much. You know, it's just through the

707
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Speaker 3: off season practices and you missed a couple of those

708
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Speaker 3: Baitman's come back from the injury. Like, it is very

709
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: difficult for me to have it at idea of what

710
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Speaker 3: the distribution looks like throughout this offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you, Errett, And you know again,

712
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 2: I think this team is in really good shape health wise,

713
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: you said earlier. But if there is a position where

714
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Speaker 2: there are concerns, wide receiver probably stands out among the

715
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Speaker 2: other spots right, just because you know, Bateman's coming off surgery,

716
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Speaker 2: Beckham hasn't played, you know, Duberne's coming off foot surgery.

717
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of there's a lot of things

718
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Speaker 2: there that could impact that question too, you know, like

719
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Speaker 2: who's one hundred percent early in the season and all that.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, the point that we're talking about the

721
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Speaker 2: uncertainty means probably that it was a job job well

722
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Speaker 2: done by Eric DaCosta, because that was the whole thing.

723
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Speaker 2: In the past, they just didn't have enough guys in

724
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: the passing game who really stressed defenses and who you

725
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: could count on a weekend and week in basis I mean,

726
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not over selling Nelson Aguilar based on

727
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: mentory mini camp, but I think you guys would agree

728
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: he can play, absolutely contribute.

729
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: I mean to me as one of like the bright

730
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: me too, me too?

731
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Speaker 2: And then how many balls did Isaiah likely catch? A lot?

732
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Speaker 2: And you know, like that's why when there's all this

733
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: obsession with DeAndre Hopkins, you know, I'm not gonna pan

734
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Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins. I get it, but you know, at some

735
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: point when you keep adding guys, you also you know

736
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: you take away away for other guys too, So I

737
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: think you have you at least have to consider that,

738
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Speaker 2: especially for young receivers you want to develop and you

739
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: know young pass catchers, say in general, so that includes likely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about Nelson Aguilar and uh, my last

741
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: question to you. You know, one of one of the

742
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Speaker 1: standouts for me in OTA's in mini camp was David

743
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Ajabo from the Biggest Standouts. How how concerned are you

744
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: about the Ravens pass rush entering this season? Do you

745
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: do you think, oh man, no Jabo, Like, are you

746
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: you sign him up for seven plus sacks this year?

747
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Like where you ad on the Ravens pass rush.

748
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm concerned, but maybe Ryan. That's because

749
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 2: I fully expect them to add to that and get

750
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: another guy. And you know, I'm not sure they're going

751
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: to have a ten sack guy, you know, double digit

752
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: sack guy this year. I mean, those just don't grow

753
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: on trees. I obviously Houston was a half sack away

754
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: from that last year, but in general, I think Matt

755
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: Abike is going to take a next the next step.

756
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that. I know everybody's all hot and

757
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: bothered by Dafe always production at this point. I mean,

758
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: we all see guys get written off. Didn't we right

759
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: off Paul Krueger rather early and he turned out just fine.

760
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: And I think we've all seen lights go on for

761
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: pass rushers and them get better.

762
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: Well, Zadarius had a big year one and then a

763
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: really small year too, and then kind of yeah.

764
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not concern a because I think they're

765
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: gonna get another guy. B I like the young talent

766
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: there in spots. I think, I mean a Jabu was

767
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: probably the star a job Oh, I always say that

768
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: wrong every freaking time, but a Jabo was probably the

769
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: star of the mandatory mini camp. But I always say,

770
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we've seen Tim Williams and Daleen Hayes

771
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: star and mandatory mini camps too over the years. I

772
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: think with past rushers especially, you need to see wait

773
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: and see the pads go on. But man, you see

774
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: him healthy and you see him playing fast that has

775
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: nothing to do with pads. You know, he's confident, so

776
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: I think all things are setting up for him to

777
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: have a very good year. I like a couple of

778
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: their interior guys. I think Travis Jones, you know, and

779
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: and and then if these guys all just improve a

780
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: little all just bump up their sack totals by a

781
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: couple And you know, I don't think you need somebody

782
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: to blow up and have a twelve to fifteen sack

783
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: season if you have a lot of guys that have

784
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: just improved a little bit and get into the quarterback.

785
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: So I think, to me, it's something to watch. It's

786
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: clear something I think they should try to address, and

787
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: there's enough guys out there to address. But it's not

788
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: something you know, I'm sounded an alarm on yet. In fact,

789
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: I think, to me, the cornerback situations that would be

790
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: a bigger concern than the pass rush at this point.

791
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: Well maybe Tavius and Simpson.

792
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: Each yeah, totally yeah. And you know, big Broderick Washington

793
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: guy here too, I know, yeah, I know he's not

794
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: really a pass rush is not, but you know, he's

795
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: another guy. There's they got a good mix there. I

796
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: like the youth they have. And you know, and we

797
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: haven't even brought up Chuck Smith, you know, and Chuck

798
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: Smith and Anthony Weaver. That's not too bad guys to

799
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: have coaching your guys in pass rushing.

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00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 1: YEP.

801
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Speaker 3: My last question for me Jeff, this is the nitty

802
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: gritty here, who's gonna be the left guard?

803
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: John Simpson not ruling out a rotation to start the season, though,

804
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: I think we've seen that. I think we've seen that

805
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: in the past, until until somebody seeses a job, you know,

806
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: maybe going every two series with Simpson and and either

807
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: Cleveland or sala. I try not to make too much

808
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 2: in reps. And I know as media we're not supposed

809
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: to say who's playing where, but I mean John Harbaugh

810
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: pretty much said it, so I don't feel like I'm

811
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: speaking out a turn here. You know, we saw Cleveland

812
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: play a lot of tackle and to me, what does

813
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: that mean? Does that mean they're increasing his versatility to see, Look,

814
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: he may be our seventh thithh offensive lineman and we

815
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: want to see if he can handle that. Does that

816
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 2: mean they're trying to keep him motivated? I know last

817
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: year so much was made about him failing the conditioning test.

818
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: Just got off to a bat you know, just got

819
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Speaker 2: a training camp, just got off to a bad star

820
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: for him and sort of snowballed. Or does that mean

821
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: they know what he can do and they're not real

822
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: worried about it? So I think it could mean a

823
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: lot of things. But they went and got John Simpson

824
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: for a reason, big athletic guy. I think they really

825
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: trust Joe Joe D's ability to coach these guys up

826
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Speaker 2: and get these guys to play at and just I

827
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: don't want to be too impacted by the reps, but

828
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Speaker 2: you look at the reps in camp, and you know,

829
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: it certainly seems to suggest that John Simpson should at

830
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: least be considered the favorite. But I think that's a

831
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: legitimate competition. It's not one of those that we're just

832
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: calling it because we need to have something to label

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Speaker 2: a camp companien. I think that's a legitimate job that

834
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: is there to win this summer, and it'll be interesting

835
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: to see how it plays out for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jeff, thank you so much. As always to our listeners,

837
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: check out Jeff's work at the Athletic just does an

838
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: awesome job every day, so make sure you're subscribed and

839
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Speaker 1: reading that. Jeff, thank you so much. Look forward to

840
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: getting out there at chraining camp with you and chopping

841
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: up a little bit awesome.

842
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: I always enjoy our sideline conversations and complaints, but I

843
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: hope you guys have a great rest of the summer.

844
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: I always enjoy talking to you, all right, Thank you too, Jeff.

845
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Take care guys, all right.

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Speaker 1: Big thanks to Jeff for joining us today. As we're

847
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Speaker 1: you know, enjoying some vacation during this fourth of July week,

848
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Speaker 1: we'll I'll be thinking about these questions anyway, so bring

849
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: a little clarity. As always. Make sure you're subscribed to

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Garrett.

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Speaker 1: Good to hear from you today, and we will be

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Speaker 1: back later this the Lounge doesn't stop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be back. We're we'll be back on Monday.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back on Monday.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Monday. And we're going to keep

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Speaker 1: it churning, all right. So, yeah, we got some special

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Speaker 1: things in store.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait.