1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's the Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. Okay, so I am back 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: with Katie gustuson Gonna Do It. Okay, I've gotten really 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: good at that one. She was on our podcast a 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: couple of months ago. I guess that was your the 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: licensed clinical therapist that uses the angiogram and your practice, 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: and I got so much positive feedback because so many 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: people that listen to this podcast are really into the 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: insiagram as am I. So you and I decided to 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: keep the conversation going because I think there are so 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 1: many different layers to the angiogram and we're gonna keep 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: diving into it. And so today we were going to 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: talk about sub types and wings, which will dive into 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: in a second. But for those who might just be 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: tuning into this podcast and they missed the last one, 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: first of all, you guys, go listen to that podcast 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: because it was super helpful in breaking down each number 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: of the angiogram and why it's important to do and 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: helpful to do in your life. But can you kind 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: of go back Katie and give us just a quick 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: we're fresh, are like, what is the angiogram. Sure. UM, 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: so my elevator pitch has changed a little bit over 23 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: the years because I've just developed a different relationship with 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: the angiogram over the course of about fifteen years. But 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's mostly known as a personality typing system, 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: UH that teaches that there are nine core personality types 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: in the world, one of which we all, one of 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: which we gravitated towards in early childhood. So each of 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: each of these nine personality types see the world really differently, 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: and one way is not better or worse, or right 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: and or wrong. It's just kind of it's it's just 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: the water you swim in, UM, in your type. And 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: so I I over the years, in in my practice, 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, have have really made a point to not 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: just stay on kind of the surface level of personality 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: type UM, but to actually use the angiogram as a 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: tool for transformation and UM. And it really is just 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: that it is, in my opinion, it's psycho spiritual tool 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: that we can use UM for deeper self awareness and 40 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: and and and growth UM and self development. Yeah. I 41 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: mean we talked about this a lot the last podcast, 42 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: but I find it to be super beneficial in relationships 43 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: specifically that once. And as you just said, that each 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: number sees the world from a different perspective, right, And 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: I feel like we as humans just assume that everyone 46 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: sees things the same way. I know I find myself 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: doing it all of the time in relationships, and it 48 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: causes a lot of conflicts within relationships with whether their 49 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: business or romantic or whatever, because you can take things 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: personally when people handle things differently. But once you understand, oh, 51 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: they're just an eight and they're coming from this perspective 52 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: and I'm a four, and so I'm looking at it 53 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: in this perspective, it kind of like helps you navigate 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: that dynamic and then resolves conflict for me at least well, 55 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: And I think what it does to Kelly is it 56 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: it really gives us so much more compassion for ourselves 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: and for other people, because you're right, you know, if 58 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: I if I know about someone like let's let's use 59 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: your example, like for like, for example, an eight, you know, 60 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: if I know what is motivating them in their personality, Um, 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: if I know that they're not just trying to suck 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: on purpose or any other type for that matter, you 63 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: know there's actually a driving motivation that affects the way 64 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: they behave, the way they think, the way they even 65 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: speak and carry themselves. Then all of this sudden I 66 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: can kind of like let down my guard and be 67 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: open to them and have compassion for them, and then 68 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: of course, I mean for ourselves. I just feel like 69 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: the angiogram is such a beautiful tool for self compassion 70 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: because it goes deeper than personality. It really tells us, 71 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, the why, the motivation behind how we think, 72 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: her patterns of thought, our patterns of emotion, in our 73 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: in our and our behavioral patterns as well. Um, so 74 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: there's just a whole lot of compassion baked in it 75 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: as well that I feel like is just been such 76 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: a gift to me using it both in my life 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: and in my work. Absolutely. I mean when I read 78 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: about my number, I am before like I just said, 79 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: but um, when I read about it, I think you 80 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of cringe sometimes at first because you're like, oh, 81 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: I hate that part of my personality. But it also 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: just hearing someone else say it, are seeing it written out. 83 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: However you look at it, it kind of the understanding piece, 84 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: the compassion piece, like you're talking about, it opens up 85 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: your whole world into growth into navigating and understanding yourself 86 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: into um, maybe even understanding what your purposes or where 87 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: you should take your journey in this life. Mm hmm. Yeah. 88 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean that's such a great point because every every type, 89 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: and we're gonna learn every sub type has a really 90 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: distinct growth path um. Just like they have very distinct 91 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: kind of subconscious patterns, also have very distinct growth paths. 92 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: So that's what's so fun um and so really empowering 93 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: to using the angiogram is that it's really not just 94 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: about understanding our personality and the way we behave in life, 95 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: but it's it's really to identify our personality, especially the 96 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: limiting parts of our personality, so we can grow beyond 97 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: those parts of our personality so that we can open 98 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: up to just a fuller, more um just more balanced 99 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: way of living. Right, We're not stuck in our our 100 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: little personality story, you know, in way of behaving and reacting, 101 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, so we can grow beyond that. Um and 102 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: that that tends to be just such a powerful thing 103 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: to use with clients and obviously to just practice in 104 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: our lives. Is you know, what is my specific growth path, 105 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: what are my patterns and how do I relax those 106 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: so that I'm more open to something better and open 107 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: to something um more loving. Yeah, I love this is 108 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: one little note and then I really do want to 109 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: get into this sometimes. But I can talk about this 110 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: with you forever. But um, I love using it in 111 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: therapy because you know, I've always looked at therapy as 112 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: a way to understand why I do what I do 113 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: so that the things either in my personality or my 114 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: behaviors that are causing me problems in my life, I 115 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: can grow through them, where a lot of people, I 116 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: think look at therapy as like a punishment or whatever, 117 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: when in reality, it's just like, no, we're actually just 118 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: trying to understand ourselves to be able to accept love, 119 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: have compassion for ourselves, and grow into the best version 120 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: of ourselves totally, and the indiogram is a huge tool 121 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: for that, I believe. So I'm so super glad to 122 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: use it in your practice. Yeah. Um okay, So if 123 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: you guys want to know, if you're sitting here listening 124 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I don't know my number, a 125 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: great place to start would be the last podcast I 126 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: did with Katie, because she broke down each specific number 127 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: and some of the characteristics that are the driving forces 128 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: behind each individual number why they do what they do, 129 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: you kind of the descriptors. And so today we are 130 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: going to break down wings and subtypes. And so people 131 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: are probably like, either you know about this if you're 132 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: an iniogram person, or you're like, do what like a wing? 133 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: A subtype? What is that? So let's start maybe with subtypes. 134 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: Is that the best way to go? Okay? I think 135 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: because I think subtypes are more helpful, Okay, Okay, I 136 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: really want to dig into subtypes, and there's a little 137 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: bit more kind of complexity to them. Um And a 138 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: lot of people get mixed up and actually think, um 139 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: that are subtypes? Are are wings? And it's honest, fake 140 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: because there's actually lots of different theories about subtypes and 141 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: about wings. And I have so much respect for so 142 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: many angiogram teachers. This is the way I learned um subtypes. 143 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: This is the way I learned to teach and use 144 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: the angiogram through coaching and and therapy. Um And and 145 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: I feel like this picture of subtypes is the most 146 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: comprehensive and the most practically helpful in terms of in 147 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: terms of doing that self work and having that real 148 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: growth path. So so it is a bit of like 149 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: a two point oh kind of subject. It's it's a 150 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: little complex. However, there's a way I think that we 151 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: can understand it um and break it down to not 152 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: make it so and you know, it's just like Kelly, 153 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this when you go to a paint store, 154 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: Like if you ever had to find the right white 155 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: paint for your room or your house. There's not just one. 156 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: There's eight hundred white paint colors, right, so one is 157 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: not going to fit all the needs that we have, right, 158 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: there's so many different variations of one color. You know, 159 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: there's so many directions you could go, and they all 160 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: depend on lighting and you know, the size of the room, 161 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: what have you. So I kind of used that as 162 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: an example. Basically, sub types are a more high definition 163 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: way of typing. So there's nine core types, and within 164 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: each type there are three sub types. So that actually 165 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: multiplies to give us twenty seven subtypes. So we actually 166 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: are not just bound by seven um, I mean by 167 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: nine types. We we now have twenty seven types. We're 168 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: if we're looking and talking about subtypes, and so let 169 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: me just kind of explain how that works. So sub 170 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: types are are based on this idea that we as 171 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: human beings are governed by instinctual drives and and and 172 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: mainly three instinctual drives. One is social, one is sexual, 173 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: and one is self preservation. And these instinctual animal drives 174 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: are necessary for life on earth, right like we need 175 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: these there, it's this animal wisdom that we all possess, right. Um, 176 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: So they they're very unconscious. Um, we're not really consciously 177 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: thinking about them. Um. So the sub type is the 178 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: instinctual drive that we are most governed by, mixed with 179 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: our types passion or our driving emotional pattern in our type. 180 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: So for example, UM, I'm a self preservation for I 181 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: think we talked about this, I think, and you were 182 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: too right. I think I might be. I was just 183 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: reading about them, and I'm not positive, but I need to. 184 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: I need to. Yeah, I want to know how to 185 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: figure that out, so that will We'll get to that too. 186 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: But you and I are both fours, and so you're 187 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: what you're saying, if I'm understanding correctly, is if we 188 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: have different sub types, our flavor of four could look 189 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: a little different as far as what we identify with 190 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: as the driving force behind our personality correct, Okay, so yes, 191 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that in more, in more details. 192 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: So basically, if you combine our dominant driving kind of 193 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: instinctual drive ye, and the passion of our type, which 194 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: every type, every every one of the nine types has 195 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: a basic emotional pattern or passion. So for four is 196 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: it's n by right, For twos its pride for for 197 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, UM, for sevens it's gluttony. UM. So that 198 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: passion mixed with the dominant instinct that we have, UM, 199 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: creates our subtype. And so that's kind of where we 200 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: come up with subtypes. Now I want to go a 201 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: little bit deeper into kind of what they are and 202 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: why they matter. UM. So this this basic instinctual drive 203 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: that we all have UM, combines with this passion or 204 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: this emotional pattern within our type to give us a 205 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: much more high definition picture of who we are in 206 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: our type. So you know, there you can have three 207 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: different fours lined up and they could all look very 208 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: very different, right, But fours are not all the same, UM, 209 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: just like the like white paint color is not all 210 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: the same you're gonna have you know. That's why especially 211 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: type sixes are guilty of this as well. And very 212 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: It's a great example of why subtypes are so important. 213 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: You can have three sixes lined up and each of 214 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: different subtypes within the six that look vastly front from 215 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: each other. So one of the main reasons we use 216 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: sub types is because we can easily miss type ourselves 217 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: with only using the nine types. Right, So here's a 218 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: great example, UM, self preservation force, which you're kind of 219 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: flirting with, and that's my subtype. UM self preservation force 220 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: can often be mistyped as threes, more sevens, or even ones. 221 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: But when we understand that this core the subtype within 222 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: the four looks different than the other two fours, it's 223 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: kind of a more like a sunny er for like, 224 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: like a more UM kind of task focused UM really 225 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: kind of more high functioning in terms of doing and planning. UM. 226 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: We see that the self preservation four doesn't e and 227 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: look really like the other two fours. It can look 228 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: very different. And so because we now know more about 229 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: the sub types, we have this wealth of deeper nuance 230 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: in complexity within the twenty seven that we don't get 231 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: with just the nine. Okay, that makes sense, it does 232 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: make sense, But I'm now really debating if I'm a 233 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: self preservation for or not. Okay, some of that, but 234 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: but I guess my question, UM, well, maybe I'll just 235 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: let you keep going then, because let me UM, let 236 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: me talk about the instincts really Okay, okay, break down 237 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: the sexual word one to one. It's called UM, self 238 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: preservation and social. So those three instinctual drives that we're 239 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: working with, those are the three instinctual drives that you know, 240 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: whatever you're dominant in. When that combines with UM, the 241 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: passion of a type, you kind of are now introduced 242 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: to a new type, if you will. UM. Some of 243 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: the twenty seven subtypes aren't even in the original nine 244 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: types because they're just so UM, they're they're just it's 245 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: it's such a great kind of close up picture of 246 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: type that we don't get with the nine types. So 247 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: here's the three instincts. I think this is probably gonna 248 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: help us because this is a little it's a little 249 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: UM clunky. I feel like UM at first, So self preservation, 250 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: instinct UM, if that's your dominant PS. We have all 251 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: three of these, but we're dominant. That was gonna be 252 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: my question because I feel like what you said, I'm like, Oh, 253 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: I feel like that's sometimes but not really consistently. So 254 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: is it's sort of the same as um, I think 255 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: we well we'll talk about this when we talk about wings. 256 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: But you have a little bit of each thing, and 257 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: so sometimes it shows differently in your personnel. Or one 258 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: can be more dominant than the other. Yes, okay, so 259 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: one is more dominant than the other and one classically 260 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: is more you than the other two throughout life. But 261 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: they can they can shift in their sequence, right, Okay, yeah, 262 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: they can totally shift around throughout life and within the 263 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: sequence that they're in. But we all have these three instincts. 264 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: One is going to be dominant and one is going 265 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: to be repressed. Okay, it's going to be in the middle. 266 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: So so the self preservation instinct, as you probably could imagine, 267 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: is this kind of preoccupation with safety and comfort and 268 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: health and energy and and well being, especially in a 269 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: physical sense, right, Um. In a word, they're very concerned 270 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: with having resources. So that drive is that drive, if 271 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: it's self preservation, is going to look more like that. Okay. 272 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: So the sexual instinct or the one to one UM, 273 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: and just because it's called sexual instinct doesn't really mean 274 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: it's all about like the act of sex. It's really 275 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: more about like this preoccupation with this like intensity UM 276 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: intense drive for stimulation and bonding UM, this kind of 277 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: constant awareness of chemistry UM being you know, one on 278 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: one with a person or small group of people. They're 279 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: very UM attraction focused or or notice the lack thereof 280 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: if there's a lack of inaction UM and and they 281 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're very They're the most energized of 282 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: all the instincts. So this if it's if it's your top, 283 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: you're just gonna be a little bit more aggressive, a 284 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: little bit more intense. And it's it's it's about that 285 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: bonding experience in life and kind of furthering this like 286 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: you know this like human development kind of um creation 287 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: almost but it's not clearly in a sexual sense. It's 288 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: very much just in a an energetic sense. Okay, So 289 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: that's the sexual UM. The social instinct UM. It's governed 290 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: by this preoccupation UM with how they relate to the 291 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: group or don't relate to the group UM. And it's 292 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: about adapting themselves to serve the needs of whatever social 293 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of situation they're in. So social types are really 294 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: aware of people UM and and people in situations and 295 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: groups and how they relate to those groups as well. 296 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: UM social social instinct seeks personal connection, whereas the sexual 297 00:19:54,640 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: instinct seeks person like personal intimacy. So about connection there 298 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: they tend to be warmer, a little bit warmer than 299 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: the other two UM and more open and engaging. So 300 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: it kind of goes along with the name social all 301 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: about how they you know, how they um kind of 302 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: fit into the group or don't fit in. And then 303 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: this sexual instinct is governed by you know this intensity, 304 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: this an energy, this bonding energy UM and you know, 305 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: a very kind of intimacy driven instinct. And then of 306 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: course the self preservation is all about like keeping personal 307 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: um well being and safety and security and having resources 308 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: for a good life. So I have a question, So 309 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: you said every number has all three of these? Can 310 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: can you if if in each person has all three 311 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: of them, one is just more dominant than the other. 312 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: Can you have different relationships bring out certain like a 313 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: certain UM subtype, like because what you just said, I 314 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: genuinely identify with all three in different scenarios in my life. 315 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: Does that make sense totally? And they I think they vacillate, right, 316 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: like I mean, in college, I was probably more of 317 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: a social right so subtype that was probably like higher, 318 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: you know when you know, when I first like started 319 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: dating my husband, I was probably more like wanting to 320 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: bond and have that develop intimacy, you know. UM. But 321 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, as a rule, in my mind, we kind 322 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: of we have one that tends to be higher than 323 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: the other two consistently to me. So it's really it's 324 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: really about looking back and kind of scanning the course 325 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: of our lives and asking ourselves which instinct has felt 326 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: the most driving for me, which has felt the most dominant, 327 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: And you know, it's nothing too the first The first 328 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: step is finding your type, you know, find you know 329 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: what your type is, um, and there's so many resources 330 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: to do that. I think we talked a lot about 331 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: those in the last episode. You know. The second step 332 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: is understanding and getting a picture of what the sub 333 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 1: types are, because a lot of times that first step 334 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: of getting typed um sometimes we missed type based on 335 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, we aren't aware of all 336 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: these sub types that are available to us that give 337 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: us just a higher definition picture of what our type 338 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: actually is. So that's why I like doing the work 339 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: of the sub types. Even just learning about the sub 340 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: types after we've kind of got an idea of our 341 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: dominant type is so important. It just it just helps 342 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: give us more nuance and a straighter growth path because 343 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: each of the have very very strategic growth paths UM 344 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: into bringing bringing in more balance, right, And so if 345 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: we are dominant in one instinct, Um, Like, I'm using 346 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: myself again as a self preservation for I know that 347 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: the one that gets left out a lot in my 348 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: life is the social and so I have to be 349 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: mindful of bringing balance where there's imbalance. So we learn 350 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: how to work with the subtypes when we understand what's 351 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: our top and what's our our our lowest, because a 352 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: lot of the powerful work that we can do is 353 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: again it's all about bringing balance where there's imbalance within 354 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: our type. Okay, And because instincts are so conscious, there's 355 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: such a gift in even learning about the subtypes, learning 356 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: about the instinct and learning about as a result, what 357 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: our subtype is, because it brings this fresh awareness to 358 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: a part of our lives we've been unconscious too. Really, Yeah, 359 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: I was reading UM when I was researching about subtypes. 360 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: A lot of people say sometimes it's even easier for 361 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: a partner or a friend to kind of help you 362 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: and your awareness of your subtype because we're it's so 363 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: subconscious that we might not even be able to identify 364 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: some of those behaviors within ourselves in a true capacity. Totally. No, 365 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: it's that is such. I'm glad you said that because 366 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: because yeah, you nailed it, because these are unconscious instinctual 367 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: drives that are that are that are kind of merging 368 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: with this unconscious emotional habit that we have in our type. 369 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: A lot of times we're asleep to it. Right, people 370 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: around us are have a much better view into what's 371 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: happening oftentimes, um than we do, which is really fascinating. 372 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: Talk me through a little bit about you mentioned there's 373 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: a driving force for each number, right like that we 374 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: all keep using the four as the example, but hopefully 375 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: you guys are okay with that. But that's because Katie 376 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: and are both forced so it's an easy one for us. 377 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: But so, for for instance, you said envy, which I 378 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: hate that about the four, Like I hate that part 379 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: of my personality, but I think it is true. Um, 380 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: how does that play in or what's the connection with 381 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: the subtype is the is the subtype driven by that 382 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: driving force. Yea. So okay, so yeah, this is a 383 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: really great thing. And again this is why this is 384 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: more kind of like a complex UM kind of deeper 385 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: dive into the insiogram UM, because yeah, it is, it's 386 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: a little it's a little heavy. So so every type 387 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: has what's called a passion, and the passion of each 388 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: type is the emotional pattern that we get stuck in 389 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: that kind of drives our whole character structure. Okay, So 390 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: so if you look at all of them in a list, 391 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: it's basically the seven deadly sins plus two others. So 392 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, so every type UM has you know, Type 393 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: four's um envy, Type five's avarice or greed. Type six 394 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: is fear, Type sevens gluttony, UM type nines inertia or sloth, 395 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: um Type one anger, type two pride, Type three deceit. 396 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: So every every type has a passion and in this 397 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: emotional pattern UM. Again, a lot of times we're unconscious, 398 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: we're they're so subconscious that that's what I love about 399 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: the angiogram is that when we start to learn about 400 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: our character structure and what makes that up and really 401 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: kind of this seminal part of our character structure structure 402 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: ends up being the passion because it really does drive 403 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: us forward in our in our a lot of our 404 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: kind of patterns. Right, So taking this emotional pattern or passion, 405 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: when that passion merges with one of the three instincts, 406 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: that's our top instinct, were given our our subtype. Okay. 407 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: So so basically we have again twenty seven subtypes, three 408 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: versions of all nine types and which then give us 409 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: more definition, um. And they help us type ourselves with 410 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: more clarity. UM. And here's another thing, because you know, 411 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: not all fours look the same, not all sixes look 412 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: the same, not all eighth look the same, you know, 413 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: um social social eights sometimes get mistyped as type two's. 414 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: So you know, I mean there's just so many different examples, 415 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: um that we could dig into, and we don't have time, 416 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: but suffice it to say, we have so much more 417 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: exactness using sub types, UM if we take the time 418 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: to really read and understand. There's some tests out there 419 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: that I really appreciate that I feel like do a 420 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: really good job in terms of helping us nail down 421 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: our subtype. UM. And so you know, it's it's just 422 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: it's so much more helpful because we have now twenty 423 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: seven growth paths. We have this very very defined path 424 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: um that we can use in our self development, you know. 425 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: And also again they tell us why two people in 426 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: the same type look totally different, right. Yeah, So there's 427 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of benefit you know, typing. 428 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: It's you know, and I do a lot of typing 429 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: interviews with people. People will just kind of you know, 430 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: hire me to to help them find their type through 431 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: a typing interview, and we really do look at not 432 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: just the nine types, but we look at the twenty 433 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: seven sub types because that's going to give them the 434 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: most clarity in terms of, you know, the nuances within 435 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: their type, but also their growth path. Yeah. And I 436 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 1: love the part about the balance being so important because 437 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: even understanding the different sub types can help you see 438 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: where you're operating from maybe in your person reality and like, oh, 439 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: that's the driving force behind that behavior. And some of 440 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: them will probably like and some of them you probably won't. 441 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: And that's okay, because there can be growth to where 442 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: you can integrate a little bit better into each subtype 443 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: and find a little more balance. I love that. Okay, 444 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: So Wings this is the other part. And I think 445 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: people talk a little more freely about wings. As you 446 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: said earlier, it's it's a more heavily discussed thing. But um, 447 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: each number has two wings, but it's the dominant versus 448 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: the non dominant again, and we're looking for balance right 449 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: within our wings. Let's explain what a wing is. Let's 450 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: backtrack and like start from the beginning and do exactly 451 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: what you just did with a subtype. Tell the people 452 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: what a wing is. Okay, So if you think about 453 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: an airplane, right, it has two wings that helps the 454 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: airplane get from point A to point B. It would 455 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: be really useless if we did not have two and 456 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: on land want yes, so we have a dominant wing 457 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: and that that could vacillate. Again, you know, there's a 458 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: lot of theories around that. But wings flavor your type essentially, 459 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: and I don't like to focus on wings because I 460 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: don't think there's as much depth to them. Um. Basically, 461 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: if you look at the angiogram symbol UM, you will 462 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: find nine types and obviously there are two types that 463 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: flank each type. So for for US Force, we have 464 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: three wing and we have a five wing UM and 465 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: so basically, UM, those wings are are helpful in understanding, um, 466 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, which which wing characterizes us more than the other. 467 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: So I think you and I probably both have stronger 468 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: three wings. Yeah, I definitely do. And so that's helpful 469 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: for me ation because it kind of it kind of 470 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: helps us understand you know, Okay, I've got this fivee 471 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: wing and this three wing. These are very familiar, um. 472 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: But also they might be in conflict with our type. 473 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: So you know when whenever we feel like, oh, that's 474 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: that's really that's really odd, I'm doing this kind of 475 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: out of character thing, and well, it might be because 476 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: of the wing, the stronger wing that you kind of 477 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: lean more towards. UM. So it's you know, when people 478 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: say I'm a two wing seven, there's no such thing 479 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: as that. Like I've always said that. People say that 480 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff all the time, and I'm like, 481 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: what do I just completely misunderstand that? Well, I think 482 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: it's just not been because there are so many theories, 483 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: there's so many different teachers and teachings. It gets confusing, 484 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: and let's face it, like Instagram is probably not the 485 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: best place to learn um the ends and outs of 486 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: the angiogram because it's just very very high level kind 487 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: of optics of our personality typically. Um, but you know, 488 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: no one is a pure type, right, We all have 489 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: all of the types within us. Um, we have a 490 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: dominant type. And it's interesting because our dominant type is 491 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: actually connected to four other types on the angiogram pretty intimately. UM. 492 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: So I'll use us for example again a four. We 493 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: have two wings of five and a three that we're 494 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: connected to. But we also have you know, two lines 495 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: connecting us to other types. So we also have a 496 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: very important relationship with the with the one point one 497 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 1: and with point two, and so all of that is 498 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: meant to help us understand our type, more understand how 499 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: we are unique in our type, and basically to excavate 500 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: kind of a growth path forward. Um. It does. It 501 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: adds some important and sometimes kind of contradictory elements to 502 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: your kind of total personality. And and in some ways, 503 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: your wing is kind of like the second side of 504 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: your personality. UM, I just don't think that, you know. 505 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: So for example, I'm a four with a three wing. 506 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: If you ask me, hey, what's your what's your type? Oh, 507 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm a four with a three wing. Okay, well, so 508 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: that tells me something. But you don't know what part 509 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: of the three I'm I really resonate with. You don't 510 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: know kind of there's so much about the three you 511 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: know that could be anything, So it really just doesn't 512 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: give you the high definition that the subtypes give. That 513 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: makes sense. It's a flavoring, right, It's like it's like 514 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: going to the ice cream store and having like the 515 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: nilla chocolate strawberry, and then you have all these different 516 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: kind of flavorings around them, like combinations. Yeah. Well, I 517 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: do think it's a funny point that you make about 518 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: the two numbers that you're next to completely being in 519 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: conflict with your personality, because like I think about an eight, 520 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: for instance, which is the challenger, right, and then on 521 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: the other side of that as a nine, which is 522 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: the peacemaker, And it's like, how does that work? That's 523 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: like such a funny combination. But it just goes to 524 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: show that we all have all of these different facets 525 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: to our personalities. I think certain people, certain dynamics, certain 526 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: times in our life all bring out different things. Are 527 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: health level, like how emotionally healthy we are, how in 528 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: touch with ourselves we are. All of those things play 529 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: into which part of our personality is really thriving or 530 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: really showing up and every day it could be for 531 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: me every hour sometime. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, it's so fascinating, 532 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: It really really is. And I mean all of these 533 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: things are so meant to just really support us in 534 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: our our self awareness and it's it's a way of 535 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: paying attention to our personality. It's a way of paying 536 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: attention to our patterns UM so not so so as 537 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: to kind of buy into them, but to really um 538 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: to really ask ourselves, is this working for me or not? 539 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: You know, UM, if it's not, let's let's change the 540 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: story here, because you know this is not especially life 541 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: giving and supportive. And guess what, I can totally rewrite 542 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: my story if I want to. I don't have as 543 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: So it gives this kind of it just gives this great, 544 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: big kind of um glossary of you know, really helpful 545 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: UM ways in which to grow and ways and to 546 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: pay attention both subtypes and wings um and wings. I 547 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: mean again, they're just their resource points on the framework 548 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: of the angiogram, just like the lines are. And you know, 549 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: there's a theory that kind of says that we are 550 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: we lean more heavily on one wing in the first 551 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: half of life and more heavily on the other wing 552 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: in the second half of life. I think that is 553 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: really fascinating. I mean, I I see how that could work. 554 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: You know, there's also there's also probably something that I 555 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: really love to do with clients is taking both of 556 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: the wings and using them for personal transformation by integrating 557 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: one at a time, um, the helpful characteristics of both 558 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: wings into our type. So kind of taking that counterclockwise wing, 559 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: which would be the three, and infusing some of those 560 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: like higher personality, higher traits of the three into the 561 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: four's experience to kind of sharpen us and help us 562 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: be more are you know, action oriented or whatnot. But 563 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: then also using the five point where the clockwise wing, 564 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: and also integrating some of those qualities that are so 565 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: helpful if we use them um consciously. Um. Just really 566 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: a cool way to work with the wings as well. Yeah, 567 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: I actually really buy into that, because I was sitting 568 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: here thinking we both just said we have a more 569 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: dominant three wing, and I actually do believe that has 570 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: been true, especially I would say in my last ten 571 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: years the real achiever part of the three. I've been 572 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: very driven by that, and I actually really appreciate that 573 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: for the four personality, because if I didn't have it, 574 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: I would get real stuck in the emo part of 575 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: the four and just all the fields and not actually 576 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: taking the action steps. You know. However, we're sitting here 577 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: really dissecting and learning and doing all those things, and 578 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: that's more of a five, you know, Like I could 579 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: read about this stuff all day. I could, you know, 580 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: go to a different book, listen to a different podcast, 581 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: really absorb as much information as I possibly can contain. 582 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: And that is a part of the five personality that 583 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: I really appreciate. Also, really, yes, you can really can 584 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: use all of them to your benefit. You're all resources. Yeah, points. 585 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: So how you mentioned a couple of tests, and I 586 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: am going to put all of this stuff on velvet 587 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: sidge dot com for you guys, because I know it's 588 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: a lot of information to digest. But where can people 589 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: figure out what their subtype is? I think a wing 590 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: is a little more simple to figure out, um, just 591 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: based off off you can kind of go, Okay, I'm 592 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: a four, I have a three and five on the 593 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: other side. But where can we go figure out our 594 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: sub types and our wings? Yeah? Well, I um, I 595 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: mean my favorite place always which is the least UM 596 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: immediate is self study? Okay, UM, there are some books 597 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: that I think the the most comprehensive book on subtypes. 598 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: It's my favorite angiogram book, and it's it's become like 599 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: a bible for me. UM is called the Complete Angiogram. 600 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: It's like the the path the twenty seven Paths to 601 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: self growth or development, something like that. But Beatrice Chestnut 602 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: is the author. She is UM just an incredible, incredible 603 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: author and and and just inspired teacher. UM. That book 604 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: is how I would start if I were really wanting 605 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: to deep dive. Now there's other ways. I mean, there's 606 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: there's there's several personality UM tight tests on you know 607 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: this on the internet. You can go and find lots 608 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: of them. However, I don't I don't know that the 609 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: majority of them are very helpful UM or accurate. So 610 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: there's a couple. One is actually just about to drop 611 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: Beatrice is about to release UM. And she, by the way, 612 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 1: has done most of UM most of the work with subtypes. 613 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: She's really brought subtypes to the forefront UM really since 614 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: the early two thousand's UM and so she's kind of 615 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: the world's expert leading expert on subtypes in my opinion. Um, 616 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: and she's developed a test that I'm probably gonna have 617 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: to give you next week. I don't know when this 618 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 1: is gonna drop, but I'll give you, um the name 619 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: of that test and we can maybe put that in 620 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: the show notes or something, because it's to me, I 621 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be like revolutionary to have that test 622 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: because it's gonna really test everything. The other one that 623 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: is live UM that you can go, UM take it's 624 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: it's a little expensive, it's like sixty dollars, but it's 625 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: very very comprehensive. Um. And that is the EQ I 626 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: e Q nine. Well, so give you that. Have you 627 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: taken that one? That's how I figured out I was 628 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: a or was the main test for that because I 629 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: miss typed, like I got I kept testing as a 630 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: two and I was like, I'm not a two. I 631 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: know I'm not a two. Um. But then that was 632 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: the I nine. I guess is that the bigger test? Okay? Yes, 633 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: and that that was the one that I figured out 634 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: it was a force. So he has a subtype test 635 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, to my knowledge, it's the same test. 636 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: Now I may need to go look back in my 637 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: print out then, because he The cool thing about that 638 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: test is they give you such an in depth breakdown. 639 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: To me, it was worth every penny because it dissects 640 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: how you act in a relationship. I'm sure it does 641 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: talk about a subtype, and there was just so much 642 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: information I didn't fully process it yet. Um. Yeah, it's 643 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: really helpful. You may go back and look at it 644 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: because that's it's such a long print out. Like you're 645 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: like me, probably like went through the first ten pages 646 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: and you're like, sweet, we're good. Yeah, there might be 647 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: some subtype stuff in there too. Okay, cool. Through the 648 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: two tests that I think I addressed the most. That book, Um, 649 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: Beatrice's book is is like I think that's like the 650 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,919 Speaker 1: one one stop shopping for tight sub type things. It's 651 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: just the history of the inniogram. It's a beautiful book. Fantastic. Um. Okay, 652 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 1: so you mentioned the book. We talked about the test. 653 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: I also want to know where people can find you, 654 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: and especially if you're in Nashville or I don't know 655 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 1: if you do virtual sessions, but if you're looking for 656 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: a therapist that really integrates the inngiogram into her practice, 657 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: Katie is definitely that. So tell people where they can 658 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: find you. Yeah, so I do definitely work virtually UM. 659 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: I do a lot of indiogram coaching UM, and I 660 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: do a lot of therapy using the inniogram to and 661 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: I kind of like differentiate those things. Like doing the 662 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: work of therapy is kind of looking back and looking 663 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: at your past and your story and your trauma and 664 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: really UM just kind of bringing some like hopeful healing 665 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: to that space and then really using the coaching UM 666 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: UM you know after that process. Coaching is such an 667 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: amazing kind of solution focused way to UM put the 668 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: Instagram to work in your life and really achieve your 669 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: goals and your desired outcomes using this tool. So so 670 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: both are so important. UM. I'm My website is Katie 671 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:34,240 Speaker 1: Gustufson dot co UM and on Instagram, I'm at Katie 672 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: gustupson dot co trying to think. I also have UM 673 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: an aniogram based self care kind of monthly program that 674 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: offers a tool kit of UM of tools that are 675 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: anyogram based UM that helped kind of support your self 676 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: care journey and kind of take all the guesswork out 677 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: of that. And it's called the Practice And you can 678 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: find that on my website as as well, and and 679 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: there's an angiogram test that comes along with that membership, 680 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: so it's a great way to kind of begin that 681 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: journey of aniogram and um, but yeah, that's kind of 682 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: where I am. I love that. And as I was 683 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in this podcast, Katie is going to be 684 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: back on the Velvet Edge podcast regularly to kind of 685 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: dissect and dive deeper into the indiogram with us. So 686 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: whatever questions you guys have, email me at Kelly at 687 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: velvet edge dot com or you can slide into my 688 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: d M s on Instagram at velvets Edge. We want 689 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: to know what y'all are finding interesting, what's resonating with you. 690 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: Also just what you are like, what about this indiogram stuff, 691 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: because it's so it's so much sometimes, but it's so 692 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,720 Speaker 1: good and so fascinating, so we're just gonna keep talking 693 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 1: about it. I do think these breakdowns really helped though, 694 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: because if you hadn't explained subtype, I don't think I 695 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: would have ever even looked into that. You know, well, 696 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: so and I want to just like circle back and 697 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: just make sure I take care of everyone listening, Like 698 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: this is a lot to metabolize, and it is confusing, 699 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: and even if you try to break it down two 700 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: hundred times, it's still it's just it's not like an 701 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: instant gratification immediate process. It really is like the process 702 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: of self discovery is learning your type, learning your subtype, 703 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: doing the work to come to that um insight um, 704 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: which I think is so so important and so fun honestly. 705 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you're confused, you're you're in the right space. 706 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: Keep coming back, coming back, We're gonna get get more 707 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,919 Speaker 1: clarity as we go. Amazing, Katie, thank you so much 708 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: for being here again, and thank you guys so much 709 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: for listening. We'll see all next time. Thanks for listening 710 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: to The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, where we 711 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: believe everyone has a little velvet and a little edge. 712 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. 713 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.