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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Welcome to Breaking Points. We have an

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Speaker 2: extraordinary show for you today because there was a political

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Speaker 2: earthquake in New York City last night. As zoron Momdannie

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Speaker 2: candidates swept the field in their races for federal office.

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Speaker 2: Two Democratic incumbents have been tossed out. Truly, truly an

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Speaker 2: extraordinary political night. Ryan Grimm was there for the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: He got lots of exclusive interviews. He is going to

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Speaker 2: my co host this morning, so we will dig into

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Speaker 2: all of those races and what it will mean going

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Speaker 2: Also keeping our eye on Iran and the way Congress

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Speaker 2: We've got a stunning report from the Washington Post about

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Speaker 2: There's a big fight going down between Elon Musk, the

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Speaker 2: ahead and jump into these extraordinary election results. So Zorn

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Speaker 4: I know many of you have been canvassing for months

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Speaker 2: Absolutely massive night for him, where he answered his critics

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Speaker 4: That New York. We know anything's possible with a great teams,

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Speaker 2: This is New York seventh Congressional district, commonly known as

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Speaker 2: this one was the real shocker. So ADRIANO Espaiat, Democratic incumbent.

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Speaker 2: But when you realize that, you know, the path was

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Speaker 3: So what was the energy?

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Speaker 2: Is that your sense is that Zorin really made the

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Speaker 2: Actually wondering if some of those like just blatantly racist

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Speaker 2: I obviously Zorn, you know, comes out here as the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and he also I think played a pivotal role

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Speaker 7: Hey, after tonight my price went up. You have to

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Speaker 2: Sorry, So only DSA members may have flied out, I

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Speaker 7: but in major cities like Philadelphia and Chicago, where you

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Speaker 7: do have you know, urban cores, you're seeing you know,

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Speaker 7: similar ability to kind of come together, and it really

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Speaker 7: it really shows the holiness of the kind of coalitional

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Speaker 7: politics that say, like New York City's WFP represented in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 7: like they they got behind Antonio Reinoso, who had the

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Speaker 7: support of basically all the labor unions, all these non

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Speaker 7: all these nonprofit progressive organizations that have you know, memberships

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Speaker 7: and that you know do work in the district, and

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Speaker 7: they didn't have the kind of manpower behind it like

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Speaker 7: it did not there's something broken between it and voters,

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Speaker 7: Like they weren't able to turn that out. So they're

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Speaker 7: going to have to do some real thinking about, you know,

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Speaker 7: why why DSA was able to you know, build so

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Speaker 7: much power in New York City whereas they could. But

447
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Speaker 7: they are the you know, they're they're the predominant force

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Speaker 7: in New York City politics at this point. And just

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Speaker 7: you know, basically, you know, eight years ago was when

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Speaker 7: Jujune of twenty eighteen when AOC won her shock primary,

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Speaker 7: and from then to now they have become not just

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Speaker 7: a player, but dominant.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about AOC because

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Speaker 2: in some ways, I know, she endorsed down ballot some

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Speaker 2: of the same candidates as Zorn and they were predominantly successful.

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Speaker 2: She not only didn't endorse any of the victorious federal candidates,

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Speaker 2: she hasn't endorsed against any Democratic incumbents.

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, that creates.

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Speaker 2: She's had this like sort of very no risk strategy,

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Speaker 2: doesn't want to rock the boat with her relationships inside

461
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Speaker 2: the house. That's, you know, apparently the reason why. Also,

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Speaker 2: she decided not to endorse her own chief of staff,

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Speaker 2: Shoycott Chaker body in a way that you could have

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Speaker 2: very much, which made a difference for him too. And

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Speaker 2: so while Zorn is rightfully being recognized as like this

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Speaker 2: king maker, now, it's pretty wild to see AOC, who

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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways kicked off this moment in

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Speaker 2: this movement that you know, ultimately builds to where we

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Speaker 2: are today, seeing her being absent from the movement, that

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Speaker 2: it's very easy to imagine her being the one that's

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Speaker 2: getting all the credit now, Like, look at all the

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Speaker 2: power AOC has, and yet she's decided to facto to

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Speaker 2: effectively be an incumbent protector since she refuses to endorse

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Speaker 2: against any of them, I find that pretty you know,

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Speaker 2: pretty extraordinary. And she wouldn't even endorse Brad Lander for example,

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Speaker 2: in a race that was almost a slam dunk against

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Speaker 2: Dan Goldman. And it's easy to take that for granted

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Speaker 2: because that was kind of a foregone conclusion the margin

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Speaker 2: was so large. But as you rightly point out, anytime

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Speaker 2: any incumbent goes down, that's pretty wild. So what do

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Speaker 2: you make of AOC being on the sidelines for this

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Speaker 2: big empty party moment? Because I think it's a you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a in terms of, you know, as

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Speaker 2: someone who wants to see these candidates succeed, it's unfortunate

485
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Speaker 2: to see the level of power that she could bring

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Speaker 2: not being brought to bear in these instances. But also

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Speaker 2: if she has bigger national ambitions, it really seems like

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Speaker 2: a massive political missed opportunity for her, right.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we've been talking about, you know, kind of

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Speaker 7: mom Donnie in the DSA through this whole conversation because

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Speaker 7: she absent to herself from it. The Dan Goldman example

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Speaker 7: is really perfect because can you imagine if the shoes

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Speaker 7: on the other foot, You know, if AOC had a

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Speaker 7: credible challenger in her district, do you think Dan Goldman,

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Speaker 7: of all people, is going to give her the respect

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Speaker 7: of incumbency and not support that. Like so she's giving

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Speaker 7: you know, she's throwing her waysh in and endorsement, but

498
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Speaker 7: like she didn't help Brad Lander. She's doing this for

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Speaker 7: people who whose political project is to destroy her. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: now that's not the case with that with Brooklyn seven

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Speaker 7: would Claire Valdez and I saw her after her victory

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Speaker 7: last night, and and AOC was one of the few calls,

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Speaker 7: uh that that Claire took that was an open race

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Speaker 7: like that that there wasn't even an incumbent. There was

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Speaker 7: different there is that Nidia of Alaskaz, who a Puerto

506
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Speaker 7: Rican congressman who's retiring and had been had had become

507
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Speaker 7: something of a mentor to AOC and on Capitol Hill,

508
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Speaker 7: was retiring and she wanted Reinoso, and so she pushed

509
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Speaker 7: very hard for AOC to stay out of the race,

510
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Speaker 7: and AOC, out of respect for for that relationship, decided

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Speaker 7: to do so. But that's an that's an interesting decision, like.

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Speaker 2: This is a retiring Donnie had a kind of a

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Speaker 2: similarly difficult decision because he didn't he is that the

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Speaker 2: one where he actually told her like, oh, I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna oh it was as where there was a pledge

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Speaker 2: that was made, but he's supportive of him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and Mom Donnie very well could have come up

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Speaker 7: with some type of candidate that both you know, Ndia

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Speaker 7: of Alaska is a w FP and DSA could all

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Speaker 7: agree on that that that there was a path to that.

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Speaker 7: But but they decided, no, we're going, we're going to

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Speaker 7: we're going to fight this, We're going all the way

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Speaker 7: for it. And then AOC stayed out of it. And

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Speaker 7: then yeah, also stayed out of uh of the of

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Speaker 7: the SB race, even though even though you know, a PAK,

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Speaker 7: which would love to see AOC project destroyed, was spending

527
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Speaker 7: millions to try to boost SPO. But yeah, the difference

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Speaker 7: and ruthlessness between her and Mom Donnie is is is

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Speaker 7: interesting there because to your point, yeah, all the reporting

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Speaker 7: is and this is my understanding too, that when Spot

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Speaker 7: endorsed after the primary has endorsed Mom Donnie, Mom Donnie's

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Speaker 7: you know, promised not to primary him or or to

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Speaker 7: get behind the challenger. And yeah, he did that, which is,

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Speaker 7: you know, shows kind of how cutthroat he is, which

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Speaker 7: is unusual on.

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Speaker 3: The on the left, it is very unusual.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I don't recall ever seeing it so it's

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Speaker 2: pretty incredible. You know, a couple of the So I

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Speaker 2: watched some of the CNN coverage last night, and you

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Speaker 2: and I are co hosting again tomorrow, will do a

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Speaker 2: whole thing on like the media reaction and the establishment reaction.

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Speaker 3: We'll get it. We'll get into all of that. So

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Speaker 3: never you worry.

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Speaker 2: But you know, a couple of things that I heard

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Speaker 2: from Republicans and from the Neurotandans and Corey Bookers of

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Speaker 2: the world is like, well, this is still if you

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Speaker 2: look at the watch parties or the victory parties, it's

548
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Speaker 2: still mostly these young white professionals. And that's what DSA

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Speaker 2: ultimately is. You know, my view is that's an increasingly

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Speaker 2: difficult not that there isn't some truth that like in

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Speaker 2: terms of the bedrock, like the core sort of organizing

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Speaker 2: base of the DSA. I think there is some truth there,

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Speaker 2: but it becomes a very difficult argument to sustain when now,

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Speaker 2: just with the victories last night, you had extremely diverse

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Speaker 2: districts that were one in every borough of the city

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Speaker 2: save for Staten Island.

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Speaker 3: So how can you look, for.

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Speaker 2: Example, at Daria Lisa, who obviously herself is not white,

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Speaker 2: and who won the you know, majority of the black

560
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Speaker 2: voters in the district and say, oh, this is just

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Speaker 2: a thing for for white gentrifiers in these in these neighborhoods.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think if they only one with these

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Speaker 7: like gentrified neighborhoods and it's a bunch of gentrifiers that

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Speaker 7: are doing the organizing, then I think you have a

565
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 7: pretty clean hit on that. But both in mom Donnie's

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Speaker 7: mayoral race and then in Espaot here, I mean, Brooklyn

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Speaker 7: seven is so gentrified that it's kind of beyond there's

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Speaker 7: it's very like that's just what it is. But in Harlem,

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Speaker 7: like you were saying, you know, they diary Lisa won

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Speaker 7: a significant portion and probably a majority of the black

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Speaker 7: vote in Harlem. So what I would say to people

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Speaker 7: who were like who were skeptical of this this element

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Speaker 7: of politics, is that, Okay, yes, it is true that

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Speaker 7: in the past a lot of voters would support somebody

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Speaker 7: like in Espaot and you feel like those voters kind

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Speaker 7: of getting pushed out by these people who are coming

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Speaker 7: in and they've got their laptops and they're really good

578
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Speaker 7: at this block by block organizing. But what's so critical

579
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Speaker 7: is that they're not doing it with big money. They're

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Speaker 7: not doing it with corporate money, they're not doing it

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Speaker 7: with apax support. They're doing it with small dollars, which

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Speaker 7: means that it is a it is a clean fight.

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Speaker 7: It's it's bringing actual democracy to these districts. And so

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Speaker 7: the previous supporters of ESPAYOT if they don't like exactly

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Speaker 7: what Naria Lisa is doing, they actually now have a

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Speaker 7: way to influence her with their just individual voices and

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Speaker 7: with their organized voices in a way that they didn't

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Speaker 7: when it's organized money that is controlling the districts. And

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Speaker 7: so it really opens up, you know, possibilities for kind

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Speaker 7: of all voters in the in these districts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also, you know, I sort of object to

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Speaker 2: the idea of dividing people along these racial lines. In

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Speaker 2: any case, you know, the young white profile nationals who

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Speaker 2: moved into these districts are also desperate for affordable housing

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Speaker 2: and you know, and to and support for genocide. So

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Speaker 2: there's I think also a lot more common cause and

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Speaker 2: common you know, concerns among these voting blocks than is

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Speaker 2: sometimes portrayed where they you know, I mean we saw

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Speaker 2: it in Daria Lisa's race, where they tried to exploit

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Speaker 2: ethnic divisions and obviously didn't end up working on Esbaiyat's behalf.

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Speaker 7: So on that point, yeah, DSA has been objectively, if

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Speaker 7: you count the races that they've wanted the state and

603
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Speaker 7: federal level, the most successful actually in Queens, which is

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Speaker 7: Queens doesn't get as much attention as as Brooklyn or

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Speaker 7: the Bronx or Manhattan for whatever reason, but Queens is

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Speaker 7: the most diverse, uh, one of the maybe the most

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Speaker 7: diverse kind of urban area in the world.

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Speaker 3: Surely is like the melting pot of the world.

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Speaker 7: It really is, it really is, and they are more

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Speaker 7: dominant there than anywhere else, and so that should tell

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Speaker 7: you something about the way that their class politics are

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Speaker 7: able to bring so many diverse people together.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that I have heard Ryan is, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: this doesn't really matter because it's just New York City,

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Speaker 2: and New York City is different, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: that's nice for you, but this is not going to

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Speaker 2: be replicable in other places, to which I would say, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: let's take a look at grimd Platner does main count.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at Abdul Sayad Michigan. I think

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Speaker 2: is a pretty important state in the country. So we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk a little bit more in the minute

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Speaker 2: in a minute about the way, you know, positions on

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Speaker 2: Israel have really become central to all of this. But

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Speaker 2: I think anyone who's trying to deny that there is

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Speaker 2: a kind of nationwide reckoning that is happening in the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party is just ultimately deluding themselves.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and also just throughout history in New York has

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Speaker 7: really driven American politics, Like it was a crucible of

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Speaker 7: the anti slavery kind of politics that then surged. It

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Speaker 7: was the progressive reformers really were dominant in New York

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Speaker 7: first before they kind of became national in the early

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Speaker 7: nineteen one hundreds. FDR obviously comes out of New York.

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Speaker 7: Like the idea that New York is this kind of

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Speaker 7: separate entity from the rest of the United States ignores

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Speaker 7: the fact that the politics there usually end up influencing

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Speaker 7: national politics relatively quickly and in a profound way.

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Speaker 2: The last argument I heard is like, well, careful what

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Speaker 2: you wish for Daria. Liza has some I think it's

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Speaker 2: fair to say radical views, you know, against cops and

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Speaker 2: borders and like the things that they caricature that Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris is saying like she actually holds some of those

642
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Speaker 2: views and took down some tweets. We asked her about

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Speaker 2: it the other day, the famous you know Kamala Harris line,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. I know that there's a lot of angst

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Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party that like, oh my god, now

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Speaker 2: they're going to say we're open borders. And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: they've been saying that all along, So I'm not sure

648
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Speaker 2: that really changes the game for.

649
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Speaker 7: You here, right, So right, they've been saying your open borders,

650
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 7: they're saying your prison abolition, and so yeah, now they

651
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 7: and now they can point to her. I would say,

652
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 7: just don't don't have candidates. They're so bad that you

653
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 7: lose to people like like that. I mean, I mean,

654
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 7: come on, like, it's it's pretty it's pretty embarrassing. And

655
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 7: at the same time, when the Republicans have Randy Fine

656
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 7: in the House and Donald Trump in the White House,

657
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 7: I think the public's kind of willingness to get worked

658
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 7: up about kind of you know, one individual's you know,

659
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 7: out there position on one thing is pretty limited.

660
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also, I mean, I hate the comparison

661
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: between you know, someone who wants a different system of

662
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: using and more immigrants and someone else. Let's an entire

663
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: let's do a Holocaust just out in the open.

664
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Speaker 3: So there is there is that as well.

665
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Speaker 2: Lastly, before we move on to the Israel piece, let

666
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Speaker 2: me put up a seven because we have, you know,

667
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: kind of a list here of some of the other

668
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: races from Taniel. I put this up earlier as well.

669
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Speaker 2: But it wasn't just New York. We've got New York

670
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: and Maryland. I know you were following some of these

671
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: races in Marylands. I wanted to get you awig on

672
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: this in particular, Taniel says, I'm counting twelve Democratic can

673
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: comments who lost or in one case our trailing to

674
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: challenge her or the left, two congress members, four state centers,

675
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: six state House members. And then he breaks all of

676
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: that down. So what was noteworthy in Maryland to you

677
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: in particular, Ryan, that you were following.

678
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 7: Actually, I've got it. Looks I know they were going

679
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 7: after the Senate leader, and I've got a check to

680
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 7: see if he was one of the ones that went down.

681
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 7: He was standing in the way of the redistricting effort

682
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 7: that Democrats wanted to do. I'll check that we can

683
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 7: talk about out tomorrow. But yeah, down in southern Maryland,

684
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 7: we covered this race a little bit. This guy Apak

685
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 7: Adrian Boafo, who was a former Stenny Hoyer aid and

686
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 7: got twelve million dollars an APAC and Crypto support. He

687
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 7: wound up winning, but in a it was a crowded

688
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 7: field of literally twenty four candidates, and so he wound

689
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 7: up with thirty two percent of the vote. So I

690
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 7: haven't done the math yet, but twelve million dollars to

691
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 7: get that that pore of a performance gave kind of

692
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 7: Apak the only thing that they could celebrate last night.

693
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 7: They did a big They did their their their line

694
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Speaker 7: they always use being pro Israel is a good policy

695
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 7: and good politics. Congratulations to Adrian Boofo, you know, so

696
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 7: such great politics that normally they kind of funnel the

697
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 7: money behind a different pack, like they did with with Spayot.

698
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 7: But so they did. They won that race. But otherwise

699
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 7: just a brutal night for them. And even there, like

700
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Speaker 7: you lost sixty eight percent of the vote, like not

701
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Speaker 7: that impressive.

702
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: The one race that had a real different dynamic was

703
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: the which was that Upper west Side Upper east Side

704
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 2: does dreg again were on twelve thirteen whatever. That one

705
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: was Michael Lasher, who was the the candidate you know,

706
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: chosen by Jerry Nadler to succeed him. He ends up

707
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: pulling it off. Is pretty close with Alex Boras. Boras

708
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: ever really positioned himself as an AI critic. Tens of

709
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 2: millions of dollars of AI pack money flowed into this race.

710
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: I know you followed this closely. Isn't this one where

711
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: the anthropic AI pack, which is supposedly pro regulation, back

712
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: Boras the open AI pack backed Lasher.

713
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 3: It became a bit of a central issue.

714
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: I know voters were telling some of the reporters in

715
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: the area that that was part of what they were

716
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: voting on Israel. Did loom Is large in this race

717
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: because the candidates had kind of similar, relatively you know,

718
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: status quo friendly positions on Israel? So what did you

719
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: see as noteworthy in that particular race?

720
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, that that it was. It was closer I think

721
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 7: than people thought it would be, which suggests that there

722
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 7: is a decent amount of anxiety, you know, in particularly

723
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 7: in that district, but also I think everywhere about the

724
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 7: role that AI is playing. There was some fear that

725
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 7: if boris lost that that would be signal to Democrats

726
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 7: that they need to just completely bend the need to

727
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 7: AI or risk you know, getting you know, massively the

728
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 7: way they did on right exactly. But I don't think

729
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 7: the results signal that to Democrats. I think they I

730
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 7: think it remains kind of an open fight, particularly because

731
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 7: the public is just so hostile on the other side

732
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 7: of this issue. So yes, like the AI money might

733
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 7: come at you, but voters are going to come at

734
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 7: you if you if you're connected with their higher electricity bills,

735
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 7: and and and also all of the kind of anxiety

736
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Speaker 7: tied to the massive economic disruption that that AI promises

737
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Speaker 7: to bring.

738
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Israel, because I do think this was

739
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: really central in many of these races, but in particular

740
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: those three in New York City, you know, with daria

741
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: A Liza in particular, so she was an organized her

742
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: at the Columbia University encampments. Now she's going to be

743
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: their member of cars, Like she was just just not

744
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: long ago getting arrested as a protester and now she's

745
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: going to represent that district. Pretty incredible turnabout. She said

746
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: she was really motivated by the treatment of Mackmoud Khalil

747
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 2: and Representative Spot's failure to stand up for him when

748
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: he was arrested. You had a chance to actually speak

749
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: with Mackmun Khalil, who was there, you know, in the

750
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: district and is close with Daria Liza.

751
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and play a ten.

752
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 6: There are consequences of abandoning abandoning good communities. There are

753
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 6: consequences of supporting a genicidal state. So I really feel

754
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 6: sort of like some sort of justice. Although my fIF

755
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 6: is not final yet, but even if I get deported,

756
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 6: to me, the fact that the American public now is

757
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 6: well aware of APEX tactics, very very you know, like

758
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 6: theirty tactics. That's enough for me. Like, even if I

759
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 6: get the fourth at least now we're getting that change.

760
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 6: We're getting, you know, like not only with that Elisa

761
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 6: we have, you know, Claire Valdet has also won her

762
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 6: campaign Adam hum We and the course press rob in

763
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 6: the past. So this is to me, it's really like,

764
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 6: I feel sort of like some sort of justice, And

765
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 6: I got some sort of justice. Even if you don't

766
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 6: get it from the course, at least I'm getting it

767
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 6: from the public opinion.

768
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: And by the way, the Trump administration is still trying

769
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: to deport him, which is what he refers to there.

770
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: I mean, there is something really beautiful and poetic about this.

771
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he so Drek, Lisa and he knew each

772
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 7: other from the from the encampment, from from their work

773
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 7: and activism, and when when he was grabbed, his wife

774
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 7: reached out to their member of Congress, which is what

775
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 7: you do. She's an American citizen. She called her member

776
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 7: of Congress. Then he would he would not He in

777
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 7: the office just wouldn't respond, did nothing. And so she

778
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 7: eventually got AOC and other members of the New York

779
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 7: congressional delegation to help kind of make some noise about it.

780
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 7: And it was, you know, immediately a very national story.

781
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 7: And it cuts the problem that SBL has there, which

782
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 7: is that the old school kind of corrupt machine politics

783
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 7: worked when the machine would at least be responsive to

784
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 7: constituents like, Okay, we know that these guys are on

785
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 7: the on the take, we know they're taking pride and

786
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 7: other are friends with the realtors and the real estate

787
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 7: lobby and everybody else. But if I have a problem,

788
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 7: you know, if I get have a problem at work,

789
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 7: if if I have a problem with the city. I

790
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 7: can call the I can call my member of Congress

791
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 7: and they have a constituent service operation that is going

792
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 7: to be well oiled and that that's going to care

793
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 7: because then when it's time to vote, we're going to

794
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 7: come out and we're going to keep electing these guys

795
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 7: even though we think that they're corrupt, Like that's that's

796
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 7: the machine in the best case. But because he was

797
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 7: so dependent on APAX support, he couldn't do that part

798
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 7: of the constituent service for this very famous constituent and

799
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 7: it became then this proxy for for everything else about him,

800
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 7: and it really gave her, uh the kind of rationale

801
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 7: the case, like why are you running? Like, oh, well,

802
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 7: my friend got arrested in the district and he didn't

803
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 7: care and we're like, oh, okay, that's that's a legit

804
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 7: reason to run. Yeah, And I actually maybe we could

805
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 7: roll this. I saw spat on Lenox Avenue Malcolm X

806
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 7: Avenue yesterday outside of the Harlem Hospital and I got

807
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 7: to put this to him, we can roll this. If

808
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 7: you guys, you wouldn't have had to raise And I

809
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 7: really actually do believe and maybe it's not just, but

810
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 7: I do believe it's the case that if six months ago,

811
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 7: if he had taken Mackmood Khalil's wife's calls, just done

812
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 7: the bare minimum to help her and said, you know what,

813
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 7: I'm not taking a pack support anymore like I took

814
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 7: it in the past. I regret it. I don't like

815
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 7: what they've done in Gaza. I'm not taking a pack

816
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 7: support anymore because this is a genocide that's been carried out.

817
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 7: Where does a challenger have any opening whatsoever to take

818
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 7: him on? I don't see it, and I think he

819
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 7: would have cruised to reelection.

820
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: Last night well, and Valerie Fushi sort of tested that case.

821
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 2: You know, she had a close call. She changed her views,

822
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: repudiated a pack and she hung on, you know the

823
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: other let's talk a little.

824
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 7: So this actually was there last night. Oh really, Yeah,

825
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 7: she didn't want to miss it. She flew up from

826
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Speaker 7: North Carolina.

827
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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

828
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: This was my favorite tree from last night with in

829
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: regard to darielza An sbaa from at Instrumentum, he said,

830
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: taking out the chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus with

831
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: a self described communist thirty two year old PhD student

832
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: who tweeted fuck Kalmala Harris is beyond insane, Defcon one

833
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: moment for the Democratic establishment. And you know, similarly, Claire Valdez,

834
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: I feel like we sort of glossed over her a bit,

835
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: but she won easily, like it was twenty plus points

836
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: and she be the sitting Brooklyn Borough president. Well, by

837
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: the way, is progressive in many regards. And so when

838
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: you ask yourself, okay, well, how important was Israel in

839
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: all of this? He had all about all the unions,

840
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: working families, party, Nidia's Alaskaz, this power base is Brooklyn

841
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: Borough president, which coveted position, et cetera. And it wasn't close.

842
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: He got blown out. Uh you have to look at

843
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: that and say there were there were two major differences,

844
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Speaker 2: well three, I would say number one DSA organizing. Number

845
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: twos are on mom Donnie, and number three you know

846
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: APAC in Israel.

847
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 7: And I think you don't get the first two without

848
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 7: without the third.

849
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah.

850
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 7: And when we had him on the show and he

851
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 7: is you know, he has a record, he kicked ice

852
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 7: out of Rikers, he's he has he took on the

853
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 7: machine himself in Brooklyn. He's a he's a progressive up

854
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 7: and down the board, except for the fact that he

855
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 7: refused to take a stand on Israel and It's genocide

856
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 7: until he ran for office, and so people it's people think, well,

857
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 7: your people are too obsessed with digitals, and it's that's

858
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 7: not what it is. What it is is that that

859
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 7: tells people that he's not willing to fight for them,

860
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 7: that he's not that he's not there when it's going

861
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 7: to get hard, and they know that if you're going

862
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 7: to take on corporate power, you're going to take on

863
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 7: any other power centers, you have to be willing to

864
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 7: do the hard things and tell tell the powers that

865
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 7: be know even when it's and especially when it's difficult

866
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 7: for you. And the fact that he didn't do that,

867
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 7: I think like that really resonated with people because it

868
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 7: and the fact that he did it then it's one

869
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 7: thing you don't believe it, but then to do it

870
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 7: as you're launching your campaign just tells people, oh, Okay,

871
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 7: yes he's I like him, he's been great, but he's

872
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 7: another politician.

873
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: Was there Israel lobby money in that race?

874
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 7: There was a lot of controversy because this I think

875
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 7: real fight pack got in and we know for a

876
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 7: fact that about two hundred thousand dollars of that money

877
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 7: was teachers union money some other some other union money

878
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 7: in this big super pack. Valdez was accusing it of

879
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 7: possibly being a PAC money. We don't know yet. It

880
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 7: seems more likely that it's real estate focused money. But

881
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 7: so there's no no evidence yet that they got it

882
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 7: because I think a PAC understood they I think they

883
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 7: would have preferred Reno so obviously to Donnie's candidate, but

884
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 7: they also understood that once reins So it was in office,

885
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 7: if he'd have won, he's gone to them like a

886
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 7: valued fouchet style, like he wasn't gonna he wasn't coming back.

887
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the politics of the district dictate that if

888
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: he would want to hold on to that job, he

889
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: would need to, you know, take those vote and position

890
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: reposition himself fully and completely. Let's talk a little bit

891
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: about Dan Goldman and Brad Lander. Goldman I don't think

892
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: is as consistent and progressive. He's got some you know,

893
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: some corporate centrist in him, for sure, more so than Reinoso.

894
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: But also very clear here that the dividing line was Israel.

895
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: You know, Brad Lander endorses Mom Donnie. You know, comes out,

896
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: and I don't know that he would describe himself as

897
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: an anti Zionist. He's not a DSA member. He's a

898
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: little bit more you know, to the center than certainly

899
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: like a Daria Lisa or a Claire Valdez. But also

900
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: has made it plain that he opposes the genocide, he

901
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: opposes these war crimes and human rights violations, and you know,

902
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: wins handily. It was a foregone conclusion. Basically as soon

903
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: as they close the polls Lander, you know, Lander was

904
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: able to declare victory. So, you know, talk a little

905
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 2: bit about the dynamics there and why that was such

906
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: an incredible slam dunk for him. And by the way,

907
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: I think one of the most heavily Jewish districts in

908
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: the entire country, if not the most heavily Jewish district

909
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: in the entire country.

910
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, that that really could have been Goldman's seat for

911
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 7: life if he would have been kind of an even

912
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 7: even a normal Democrat in that district. Instead, you know,

913
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 7: he decided to make and he was this hero of

914
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 7: the resistance leading the you know, Trump impeachment and Trump

915
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 7: Trump won. He's like a real kind of resistance one

916
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 7: point zero MSNBC type figure who rode that fame to

917
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 7: then a divide, you know, a very divided race. If

918
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 7: people remember there was Mandare Jones, youlyn knew, very split field.

919
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 7: So he kind of squeaked by and never had a

920
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 7: huge base of support and was able to win thanks

921
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 7: to spending a fortune of his own money. He's a

922
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 7: he's an heir of Levi Strauss, which also San Francisco's

923
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 7: mayor is also a Lefa Strauss. Air's what's going on

924
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 7: with his family, But he instead decided to be this

925
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 7: hostile antagonist to Mamdani and to all of the protesters

926
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 7: against the genocide, Like he became one of these, like

927
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 7: the chief spokespeople against that. And I don't think he's

928
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 7: still to this day like endorsed Mom Donnie, not in

929
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 7: the definitely not in the primary, not in the general,

930
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 7: and he still is kind of fighting with Mam Donnie constantly.

931
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 7: And I saw somebody floating like, oh, maybe Goldman is

932
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 7: now leading, you know, challenger to Mam Donnie. You know

933
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 7: for reelections like bro Yes, he got absolutely destroyed in

934
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 7: his own district, but he's going to be more popular

935
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 7: in the in the rest of the city. But yeah,

936
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 7: so that he made that his issue, and it did

937
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 7: and it blew up, It blew up in his face.

938
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: You know.

939
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 7: The last couple of days of the race, the big

940
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 7: scandal there was that he went into a coffee shop

941
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 7: called Poetica and so his daughter could use the bathroom,

942
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 7: and so I bought a coffee so to use the

943
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 7: bathroom and later experience, Yes, later they realized that that

944
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 7: was Dan Goldman. They said, this is this is blood

945
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 7: lay his eight pac money and they refunded the money,

946
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 7: and that became a public thing. Uh, you know, he

947
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 7: said he talked about you know, he and his deventori

948
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 7: as saying this is you know, anti Semitic. They were

949
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 7: quite clear that this was aimed at his support of genocide.

950
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 7: And interestingly, I talked to somebody last night who was

951
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 7: following Espaot around and he said Espaot got thrown out

952
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 7: of a bodega when they realized when the bodega owner

953
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 7: learned that Spot was taking a pac money and is

954
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 7: not Jewish, like this is it's the same thing, like

955
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 7: you're a you're taking a pack money and you're supportive

956
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 7: of genocide. We don't want your business, right, So that

957
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 7: that is a completely separate thing. And I think it's

958
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 7: inconvenient for Goldman that he was beaten by a Jewish opponent. Yeah,

959
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 7: in a landslide.

960
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: So it was like very you know, I mean, he's

961
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: he's very proud of his Jewish herity. He talks a

962
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 2: lot about that. It was very clearly central to Broadlander's identity.

963
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: And and yeah, to your point, because he has a

964
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: different position and doesn't take a pac money. He's not

965
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: getting thrown out of bodegas or having his money refunded

966
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: to him after the fact, because it's not about Dan

967
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: Goldman being Jewish, it's about the position that he holds.

968
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: And you know, so like running cover for a genocide

969
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: that people find to be abhorrent and unconscionable.

970
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, there's no protected kind of civil rights class

971
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 7: of genocide supporter like that is that is some now

972
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 7: Department of Justice under Trump. Certainly that you know, they

973
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 7: tweeted that they're going to try to make a federal

974
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 7: case of it.

975
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: Which I do want to say, to Goldman's credit, he

976
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: came out and said that's we shouldn't do that, right,

977
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 2: He did not support their decision to go in that direction,

978
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: But at the very same time, they have JD Vance saying,

979
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: oh if everything, if everything's Jew hatred, then nothing is

980
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: Jew hatred. You have the Trump DJ acting as if

981
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: everything is Jew hatred and pursuing federal prosecutions based on

982
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, the opposition to someone supportive genocide.

983
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, So to get beaten that badly,

984
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 7: Like I said, like, it's the biggest defeat margin wise

985
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 7: for a Democrat in I can't I can't remember when,

986
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 7: not in my way a time.

987
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 2: I feel like we're going to talk more tomorrow about

988
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 2: the fallout from all of this, because I do think

989
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,959
Speaker 2: they are going to be a whole lot of holy

990
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: shit moments going on right now of Democratic candidates who

991
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: bet the way that Dan Goldman bet that. You know,

992
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: it's always been safe politics to be pro Israel up

993
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: until the past couple of years. It has always been

994
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: that's where the organization has been. That's where like it

995
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: has always been the safe political bet to do effectively

996
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: the bear hug strategy when it comes to Israel, and

997
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party that is just no longer the case.

998
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: And I don't think anyone has described this better than

999
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: Tanaheese Coats, who's like yeah, because if you aren't willing

1000
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: to stand up against genocide, why would we think you're

1001
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: going to stand up for democracy? Or I would add

1002
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: to that fight on any other issue where it requires

1003
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: standing up to power, to you know, the donor class.

1004
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: And we've got an oligarchy crisis in the country and

1005
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: the world that I think is extraordinarily grave and genuinely existential.

1006
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: If you're not willing to say a gen size a genocide,

1007
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: we have no chance of you, you know, going up

1008
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: against Elon Musk and the burgeoning class of trillionaires. So

1009
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 2: to me, it makes all the sense in the world

1010
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 2: that this has become a core litmus test. And then

1011
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: of course just the nature of how many horrific, unconscionable,

1012
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: stomach churning images of toddlers being murdered and young babies

1013
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: who are triple amputees. I mean, of course people are

1014
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: going to look at that with revulsion and say, if

1015
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: you did anything to run cover for this, I don't

1016
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: want anything to do with you. And I don't know

1017
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: how you even call yourself a democrat and pretend to

1018
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: posture like you care about human rights and morality and democracy.

1019
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: So there's just an overwhelming revulsion too. So the way

1020
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: that most Democrats, the vast majority of Democrats, comported themselves

1021
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: throughout the period of this genocide. The last piece I

1022
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 2: wanted to play here before we move on to the

1023
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: next topic is you were able to speak a little

1024
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: bit exclusively to Zoronmam Donnie last night where he reflected

1025
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: on what this all means and you know what voters,

1026
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: what sentiments they were trying to express. You want to

1027
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: set this up a little bit, Ryan, Yeah, this.

1028
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 7: Was Abe Yusuf was a drop site contributor. So he

1029
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 7: spoke at the Daria Lisa event and was then on

1030
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 7: his way out, and so Abe was able to grab

1031
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 7: him for a couple of minutes.

1032
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 6: Here.

1033
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 7: Let's roll that.

1034
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 4: This one is incredible. Daddie. Alisa began a campaign where

1035
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 4: she was up against every possible set of odds and

1036
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 4: she pulled off a victory that is helping to rewrite

1037
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 4: politics in our city and in our country. She is

1038
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 4: someone who brings a clarity, a conscience, and a conviction

1039
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 4: to a politics that has ot and been missing those things,

1040
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 4: and in a city and in a district that has

1041
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 4: been so desperate for leadership when it comes to putting

1042
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 4: working people back at the heart. She will deliver that,

1043
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 4: and it was an honor to be one part of

1044
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: this incredible campaign and to see her win alongside Brad Lander,

1045
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 4: Claire Valdez, and every single one of the state legislative

1046
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 4: candidates that I had the privilege of supporting. It shows

1047
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 4: that last June was not an anomaly. It was not

1048
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 4: an aberration. It was the beginning of a new kind

1049
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 4: of politics, and I cannot wait for what that next

1050
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 4: chapter is going to look like.

1051
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: I think supporters, supporters and detractors alike probably agree that,

1052
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: you know, last night shows that there is a new

1053
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: kind of thing that is happening, that Zoron was not

1054
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: a one off, that this is much more of a

1055
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: movement that is also not just about New York City.

1056
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, yes, they're going to have to pay attention

1057
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 7: to that. And a credit ab for doing a better

1058
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 7: job with his Mike than I did with mine. But

1059
00:57:52,040 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 7: I'm learning, I'm trying