Speaker 1: A flash of light, an angry fight, no luckage insight,
Speaker 1: my darkest night. I'm Bo Brimley and my husband went
Speaker 1: missing a few days ago, so I decided to start
Speaker 1: a podcast to get to the bottom of where he
Speaker 1: is so my baby can come home. This is Tucked.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tucked. You know why I'm here, It's
Speaker 1: because my husband is missing. It hits me differently every day.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. When your husband gets tucked, you never
Speaker 1: know what's going to trigger you. For example, I had
Speaker 1: to renew my license today, and that's when it hit me.
Speaker 1: I remember when Greg was stuck in a D n
Speaker 1: B waiting room and he was there for so long.
Speaker 1: He was so miserable. He's he got really really cold,
Speaker 1: and he just screamed at every employee there, and then
Speaker 1: he bumped his way to the front of the line
Speaker 1: just from screaming. And sometimes I think about that store
Speaker 1: and I just I just missed him. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope wherever he is he's close to escaping coming
Speaker 1: home to me, because you know, I know, I know
Speaker 1: when my baby gets a temper, he can make a
Speaker 1: rash decision that affects everybody around him. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think is going to lead him to escape his
Speaker 1: his captors. So just talking about my husband makes me
Speaker 1: so emotional. But I'm actually really lucky here today to
Speaker 1: have an expert with me to talk about my husband's
Speaker 1: vicious probably kidnapping. Um a real doctor, your doctor, right? Yes?
Speaker 1: I am a doctor. Yes, okay, forensic doctor that's like
Speaker 1: fingerprints and stuff. Dr Pat Newberry? Um, pat, Dr Pat? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your whole deal? Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: I've been a forensic scientists for fifteen years. I went
Speaker 1: to the University of Chicago to get my PhD in forensics. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yes, and I had a specification in hair follicles. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I have a book coming out next fall. These crimes
Speaker 1: are solved because I do selve almost all the crimes. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is freaking incredible. I have some of my husband's hair,
Speaker 1: But do I have to break it out now that
Speaker 1: I keep sort of privately and like a little vile.
Speaker 1: If the hair was pulled or fallen out in or
Speaker 1: around the time that your husband disappeared, then yes, it
Speaker 1: would be very important to look at these hair follows
Speaker 1: from prior stuff like a day prior, because even then
Speaker 1: that could have some relevance to the case, or even
Speaker 1: two days sometimes. No, this is just from other stuff
Speaker 1: like the shower and whatever. I'll just like put it
Speaker 1: in a little old because that's not helpful. Um no,
Speaker 1: not unless we're, you know, comparing DNA samples. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I got I got other ship here. Um, I do
Speaker 1: have this pen. Okay, I'm not going to touch it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kinda elbow it towards you. Okay, Well you
Speaker 1: don't have to do Okay, loves would be kidnapped preferable,
Speaker 1: but this is fine. Should I drop that? Should I
Speaker 1: drop that? Okay? Oh gosh, sorry, okay, well I have
Speaker 1: other stuff. I have other stuff. I mean, we can
Speaker 1: take a look at the pen. We can see what Yeah,
Speaker 1: check it out. Yeah, okay, it looks like a professional pen.
Speaker 1: It has a hotel name on it. Yeah, he loves
Speaker 1: going here? Oh okay, well did you call the hotel? This?
Speaker 1: This could be a first clue. This is l park.
Speaker 1: I called this hotel and I asked him is my
Speaker 1: husband staying here? And they were like yes, And then
Speaker 1: I got scared and I hung up because that I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe that's the kidnapper. But then when I called again,
Speaker 1: it really did sound like a hotel, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. My husband wouldn't be staying at a hotel.
Speaker 1: He's been kidnapped, you know what I mean. I didn't
Speaker 1: think that was anything. Okay, I well, let me let
Speaker 1: me just stop you there, because it sounds like your
Speaker 1: husband is at this hotel and not in fact missing
Speaker 1: as you first told me. Why would my husband be
Speaker 1: at a hotel without me? Is he taking a vacation
Speaker 1: to surprise me? Well, I can't speak to what a person.
Speaker 1: Why a person goes to a hotel. The motivation is
Speaker 1: specific to each person. I thought you were a forensic
Speaker 1: expert and you could tell of a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: So WHI my husband be at a hotel with him?
Speaker 1: While I look at the clues and I derive conclusions
Speaker 1: based on the clues, and right now, the conclusion that
Speaker 1: I'm deriving from this clue, which, to be fair, is
Speaker 1: the first clue, right, but a pretty strong one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you say. It's a first clue. It's
Speaker 1: leading us in a direction we don't know where we have.
Speaker 1: We have our B on the Bengo card, we don't
Speaker 1: have ango yet. Sure, and looking at this first clue
Speaker 1: as it is, it does seem like your husband is
Speaker 1: at this hotel and not in fact kidnapped. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: ms the doctor smarty pants, let me ask you this. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, I've been, you know, monitoring our credit cards. Right,
Speaker 1: so we we each had our own individual credit cards.
Speaker 1: But I once I snuck a little glance at his passwords,
Speaker 1: so I know what it is. It's awesome. So I
Speaker 1: logged into his credit card and right now, you know, normally,
Speaker 1: when he's not fucking fighting for his life, his credit card,
Speaker 1: he only uses it first off, like groceries and electronics
Speaker 1: and healthcare and you know, random coffee purchases, food desserts,
Speaker 1: you know, bus fare or whatever uber stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's what we'll use it for. And I'm noticing something crazy,
Speaker 1: which is that the cards being used on the same
Speaker 1: exact things groceries, electronics, bus fair stuff on Amazon that
Speaker 1: my husband uses his credit card for. And he's mimicking
Speaker 1: all the purchases. He's stealing this freak of stealing his identity. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just listen. I have a lot of experience dealing
Speaker 1: with many different kinds of criminals, you know, throughout my
Speaker 1: storied career, not to mention all of the ones I've
Speaker 1: studied in my academic career. And I have to say,
Speaker 1: having someone's credit card information and the re purchases is huge,
Speaker 1: a huge clue. But the way you're describing it to
Speaker 1: me tells me that your husband is living his life
Speaker 1: separate from you, probably in this hotel by accident because
Speaker 1: he was taken. Um. I mean, to me as an
Speaker 1: expert right now, it does seem like perhaps he did
Speaker 1: this on purpose, only because it is so obvious. And
Speaker 1: I don't say that to hurt you. I know this
Speaker 1: is a very difficult time. Separation can be hugely, hugely chaplenging.
Speaker 1: Who said the S word? Who said the ask we're here?
Speaker 1: You said that was word? I didn't say that sword
Speaker 1: and you know your perhaps your husband feels that just
Speaker 1: like a i'll separation. I don't know another word for it.
Speaker 1: I can't think of one at the moment. But perhaps
Speaker 1: he felt that he needed to be away from you.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not a psychologist. I won't delve into
Speaker 1: whatever Your interpersonal relationship maybe, but it's a personal relationship
Speaker 1: is perfect, it's perfect. We communicate like this that you
Speaker 1: know it's so good. Again, not a psychologist, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever heard a person in a
Speaker 1: healthy relationship describe said relationship as perfect. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: the first thing you said that makes sense. You see,
Speaker 1: what we have is unique. You've never seen it before.
Speaker 1: So that's why you know that this is some crazy
Speaker 1: act of God, this is some crime. Right. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying the same thing, okay, because I feel that
Speaker 1: we're saying very different things. And I'm saying that I
Speaker 1: don't think your husband was taken, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say that as lightly as I can while still getting
Speaker 1: the message across. Okay, there's a reason I don't go
Speaker 1: to doctors. And this is it. You guys speak in
Speaker 1: mumbo jumble all the time. Spit it out. What are
Speaker 1: you trying to set You're dancing around it. I do
Speaker 1: feel like I was very clear that your husband was
Speaker 1: not kidnapped. There is no crime here other than, perhaps
Speaker 1: you know, a sociological crime that he did not tell
Speaker 1: you he was leaving. You're saying, my husband got out
Speaker 1: of our bed, packed his own things in the suitcases
Speaker 1: that are now gone with the cloads of his that
Speaker 1: are now gone, and on his own accord, took his
Speaker 1: car which is now gone, and left somewhere on purpose.
Speaker 1: That does same very reasonable to me. But why don't
Speaker 1: you tell me what you think happened? This is classic
Speaker 1: doctor stuff, so like I got the big fancy degree.
Speaker 1: But what do you think is wrong? Let me tell
Speaker 1: you a dog, Here's what I think is wrong. I
Speaker 1: think he was fucking kidnapped by somebody who's following his
Speaker 1: every move, who's ordering the same things he orders from Amazon,
Speaker 1: the Sara VSPF fifteen. How could they possibly know? You're
Speaker 1: You're suggesting implies that my husband and I have an
Speaker 1: issue that just because we got into some gigantic fight
Speaker 1: on the night that has happened, that that means he
Speaker 1: left me. I mean, what are you talking? You sound
Speaker 1: crazy right now? Doc? Okay, you just pointed out that
Speaker 1: you had a gigantic fight. This, to me, as a
Speaker 1: forensic expert, is a very big red flag. Okay, tell
Speaker 1: me why why? It provides motivation? And granted I usually
Speaker 1: delve into the hair follicles, the bone fragments, the blood
Speaker 1: splattered those are my expertise. But I think this is
Speaker 1: very textbook your husband left you with the motivation that
Speaker 1: you guys got into a huge fight prior, and his
Speaker 1: things are missing. There is no sign of foul play,
Speaker 1: and he seems to have been confirmed to be at
Speaker 1: this hotel. So I to me, this is a very
Speaker 1: cut and dry case, if you could even call it
Speaker 1: a case. She didn't even look at the fingerprints in
Speaker 1: the pen or my teeth marks on it. You didn't
Speaker 1: even look and your teeth marks on it. I got
Speaker 1: so nervous because my husband was kidnapped. I was biting
Speaker 1: the pen. Is that okay? Oh no, you disturbed the evidence.
Speaker 1: You can't bite on evidence. Well, maybe you guys should
Speaker 1: all can say that at the store when you buy
Speaker 1: the pet, you can't bite this. Who could be evidence?
Speaker 1: You stay at the store. I don't work at the store.
Speaker 1: Well maybe you should work at the store because you're
Speaker 1: not do it no business being a doctor. Okay, just
Speaker 1: for my peace of mind, I brought a few more
Speaker 1: items I want you to check out. Is that okay?
Speaker 1: I at this point I want to see where this goes. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this this is a an old receipt. This is
Speaker 1: a receipt piece of paper. Can you find anything on
Speaker 1: a piece of paper. Yeah, you could find fingerprints, you
Speaker 1: can find DNA evidence. In some cases. The way that
Speaker 1: it's crumpled could be a clue. The length of it,
Speaker 1: And that's not even getting into what is on the receipt,
Speaker 1: where the receipt came from, at what time it can
Speaker 1: place our victims, it can it can really solidify the
Speaker 1: timeline of our victims and our perpetrators. Okay, um, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to eat the evidence or whatever you said,
Speaker 1: so maybe you want to handle it. I think it
Speaker 1: was a train ticket or something, a train ticker receipt,
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't want to eat the evidence. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing this is a train ticket for the night
Speaker 1: of his disappearance in the evening. So what do we
Speaker 1: think he is trying to escape and he bought a
Speaker 1: train ticket? You know, I don't see any evidence here.
Speaker 1: There's no perforation where a return ticket might be. So
Speaker 1: it does suggest that your husband, whose name is on
Speaker 1: this train ticket receipt, went to a place with the
Speaker 1: intention of staying there for a good deal of time.
Speaker 1: Are you saying like a grave, like a kidnapper, bought
Speaker 1: a one way too? Is this a metaphor like or something. No,
Speaker 1: I'm being very very sincere in saying that I think
Speaker 1: your husband used this train ticket to skip town. And actually,
Speaker 1: if you look very closely, if you see the right
Speaker 1: hand corner right here where I'm indicating, there seems to
Speaker 1: be some kind of faint lipstick print, it would be
Speaker 1: very strange to kiss a receipt. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's what happened, but perhaps you know when someone puts
Speaker 1: a receipt in their mouth to hold onto it while
Speaker 1: they check their pockets or something. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. Great, the kidnapper, where's makeup? Oh? Um?
Speaker 1: Or I mean, yes, a supermodel, a clown, somebody, while
Speaker 1: the clues point to the receipt being fully intact, again
Speaker 1: suggesting there was no foul play, again suggest there is
Speaker 1: a reason they gave you a doctor certificate. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take this to some pros too, because I think
Speaker 1: this is actually a huge crack in the case. It's
Speaker 1: like I am a proper. No, no, you're a pro,
Speaker 1: but you know you've had a couple of fumbles tonight,
Speaker 1: so I don't know how much I trust you. But
Speaker 1: I've got a guy who is all over this case too,
Speaker 1: And I think he's going to really appreciate um us
Speaker 1: bringing some new evidence because he's been up my fucking
Speaker 1: ask if I get new evidence, give him a call.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he plays a game where he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: pick off. So this is Mullins, Mullins, Mullins, it's bow Brimley.
Speaker 1: Don't hang up. If you hang up, I'll die Mullets. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm with a doctor. Good because you need help in
Speaker 1: your brain. No, I don't need help in my brain.
Speaker 1: If you tell me that one more time, I'll drive
Speaker 1: myself into the ocean. I am with a doctor right now,
Speaker 1: and she has a clue to tell you once and
Speaker 1: for all that my husband was freaking kidnapped. Okay, miss Bremlyn,
Speaker 1: you waste so much of my time. I talked to
Speaker 1: you more than I talked to my son. All right,
Speaker 1: you waste so much of my time. Okay, you want
Speaker 1: to talk about an inter personal relationship that needs the
Speaker 1: hell Well, I have to say this was a misrepresentation
Speaker 1: of what I was pointing out because what I point
Speaker 1: out it was not evidence towards the kidnapping. It was
Speaker 1: evidence towards an affair an affair to remember Cole and
Speaker 1: a kidnapping. You see the smart This is more open
Speaker 1: and shut than a pizza box with an anchovie pizza
Speaker 1: in it. All right, no one wants it. All right,
Speaker 1: They look at it, They opened the pizza and they say, no,
Speaker 1: this is over See. This is why I don't trust
Speaker 1: the texts. You doctors are talking about lingo bingo, you're
Speaker 1: talking mumbo jumbo. Detective legally is that I can't freaking understand.
Speaker 1: What's the brass talk? Huh bears taxes? Your husband left you,
Speaker 1: all right, he left you for another woman and that's
Speaker 1: the end of it. Okay, here's what's crazy. You guys
Speaker 1: are both saying that he left with a woman, so
Speaker 1: that a woman is the kidnapper. So you guys both
Speaker 1: agree with me. The only thing if if there's a
Speaker 1: kidnapping that's happening, the only thing that was kidnapped was
Speaker 1: probably your husband's heart or his penis. Dr Newberry m hmm.
Speaker 1: According to Detective Mullins, this fucking kidnapper might have taken
Speaker 1: out my husband's heart for his penis. What do you
Speaker 1: need to find those? Yeah, I'm not sure that he
Speaker 1: meant that literally and At this point, I really have
Speaker 1: to agree with Detective Mullins. It does seem like your
Speaker 1: husband left on his own volition for a woman or
Speaker 1: a person who wears lipstick. Thank you, this doctor smart?
Speaker 1: What the fund do you know about relationships? Mullins? Who's
Speaker 1: the customer here? Who's the customer? You haven't paid me
Speaker 1: in months? I I don't. I won't take your money
Speaker 1: anymore because it's over. Oh I haven't paid you in months,
Speaker 1: So you're bringing up the other ship I call you about. Wow,
Speaker 1: your professional, Mullens, your professional. You see this doctor? You
Speaker 1: see this? You know now it's thought it's a husband.
Speaker 1: But I ken't tell you how many times this lady's
Speaker 1: been trying to hire me to do stuff and find
Speaker 1: stuff for. Oh, what was you? I'm trying to hire you,
Speaker 1: my god, and this is to me you should be
Speaker 1: so lucky. Just I think this is a case of
Speaker 1: needing to take accountability for maybe your actions and your actually, Mullins,
Speaker 1: this doctor said, you need to take accountability for your
Speaker 1: fucking inaction. Again a misrepresentation of what I was trying
Speaker 1: to say. I was clearly gesticulating towards you. Bo. I
Speaker 1: do hope you you yeah, you need to look. We
Speaker 1: we went through all the clues. We went through everything
Speaker 1: we could. We detailed it, even though it was so
Speaker 1: clear from the beginning that your husband was not kidnapped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he bought a train ticket, he went to a hotel
Speaker 1: with a lady. And now they're off Galliphanton. They're probably in,
Speaker 1: uh the Bahamas or something. That's where I go, the Bahamas.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Mullins, is the first small thing you
Speaker 1: said in your whole fucking life. My husband loves the Bahamas.
Speaker 1: I need to check the Bahamas. Yeah, well listen, brim,
Speaker 1: will you have you book your flight to the Bahamas
Speaker 1: and then plush your cellphone in the ocean? Okay, because
Speaker 1: don't call me anymore. I'm not talking myself phone in
Speaker 1: the ocean. I'm talking myself in the ocean if I
Speaker 1: can't find myself the husband. Yeah, I got a question.
Speaker 1: What is bow? What's that stand for Boa? Did you
Speaker 1: say your birth name is just bo? Yeah? What? Your
Speaker 1: parents never got tired right in the rest of your
Speaker 1: name on the birth certificate. No, they gave me a
Speaker 1: real long name. What's your name Agamemnon like the King
Speaker 1: of the Archives. Yeah, his wife Clytemnestra killed him. I
Speaker 1: cannot believe you're the only private eye I found in
Speaker 1: the one page of the Yellow Pages that is still
Speaker 1: left in my house. Get the Internet. The Yellow Pages
Speaker 1: are dead. The Yellow Pages are not that are dead,
Speaker 1: not dead. Don't say that. Listen. If there anything, I
Speaker 1: have just further proven how little faith I have in
Speaker 1: the legal system. Okay, so I'm just gonna to continue
Speaker 1: the search on my own. No thanks to the likes
Speaker 1: of you, Detective Agga Popop and freaking Dr Newberry over here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely useless. Well fucking thanks for nothing. Mullins. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: getting your Philly acs and just talking to you. Get
Speaker 1: the hell off the phone. Stop calling me that you
Speaker 1: called me. Stop finding me up off a mountain. I
Speaker 1: will I care find my husband. Doc. I'm sorry you
Speaker 1: had to see those. It was very aggressive, I have
Speaker 1: to say on both ends, but mostly yours. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Us women have to stand up for ourselves.
Speaker 1: We gotta lean in. No, I don't think that's what
Speaker 1: that means. Yeah, Lenan, so you can spit len In.
Speaker 1: Oh um. I think it's more about you know, like
Speaker 1: salary talks and yeah, the corporate ladder. I thought you
Speaker 1: said the seller than what Yeah, that would be that's
Speaker 1: not what I said, but crazy, that would be the
Speaker 1: whole book. My god, all good thing it's not about that,
Speaker 1: because that would it would be boring. Yeah, it would
Speaker 1: be boring. I'm glad we could agree on something. At
Speaker 1: least there's that. At loose, there's that. I hate to
Speaker 1: tell you this, Doc, but I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: write you a bad review on your website. I don't
Speaker 1: think you took my case too seriously, and it looks
Speaker 1: like I'm going to have to venture out on my
Speaker 1: own to find my husband. There's no one who will
Speaker 1: take your case more seriously than I just did, and
Speaker 1: more compassionately as well. But if you want to waste
Speaker 1: your time, if you want to waste your energy and money,
Speaker 1: go for it. You know what. Love is freaking worth it, Doc,
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that you don't see that. Is there
Speaker 1: anyone in your life? Yeah? Yeah, you don't get it.
Speaker 1: See it's I just said. Yes, I said, it's so
Speaker 1: obvious you were lying. Is so freaking obvious you were lying?
Speaker 1: And what's your partners say? You give two seconds? Absolutely fake?
Speaker 1: That's so fucking fake. What are you talking about you
Speaker 1: have no idea. You could look who are on my
Speaker 1: website to leave a review. You could see there's a
Speaker 1: picture of Joe on my website. Okay, anybody could photoshop
Speaker 1: theirselves next to a guy. It's fucking fake. Listen, once
Speaker 1: you fall in love, freaking call me and tell me
Speaker 1: if you want to waste your time and energy finding
Speaker 1: the love of your absolute life when he was taken
Speaker 1: by a vicious criminal wearing lipstick. Well, thank you, guys
Speaker 1: for tuning into another episode of Took. I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: there's no news to report on my beautiful missing husband Greg.
Speaker 1: But I'm putting a c T a call to action
Speaker 1: out there to you, Dr Newberry and to everybody listening
Speaker 1: to please help me find my husband and help me
Speaker 1: bring my baby home. It help you help you? At Hey, Doc,
Speaker 1: you so didn't help me. I'm giving you zero stars.
Speaker 1: I might even report you somewhere. You can't. I can't
Speaker 1: report a scientist. You literally cannot report you to a
Speaker 1: church or something. I'll get you taken out if you want.
Speaker 1: I do want until next week. H