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Speaker 1: A flash of light, an angry fight, no luckage insight,

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Speaker 1: my darkest night. I'm Bo Brimley and my husband went

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Speaker 1: missing a few days ago, so I decided to start

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Speaker 1: a podcast to get to the bottom of where he

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Speaker 1: is so my baby can come home. This is Tucked.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tucked. You know why I'm here, It's

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Speaker 1: because my husband is missing. It hits me differently every day.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. When your husband gets tucked, you never

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Speaker 1: know what's going to trigger you. For example, I had

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Speaker 1: to renew my license today, and that's when it hit me.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Greg was stuck in a D n

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Speaker 1: He was so miserable. He's he got really really cold,

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Speaker 1: and he just screamed at every employee there, and then

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Speaker 1: just from screaming. And sometimes I think about that store

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Speaker 1: and I just I just missed him. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hope wherever he is he's close to escaping coming

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Speaker 1: home to me, because you know, I know, I know

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Speaker 1: when my baby gets a temper, he can make a

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Speaker 1: rash decision that affects everybody around him. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I think is going to lead him to escape his

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Speaker 1: his captors. So just talking about my husband makes me

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Speaker 1: so emotional. But I'm actually really lucky here today to

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Speaker 1: have an expert with me to talk about my husband's

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Speaker 1: vicious probably kidnapping. Um a real doctor, your doctor, right? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I am a doctor. Yes, okay, forensic doctor that's like

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Speaker 1: fingerprints and stuff. Dr Pat Newberry? Um, pat, Dr Pat? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's your whole deal? Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: I've been a forensic scientists for fifteen years. I went

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Speaker 1: to the University of Chicago to get my PhD in forensics. Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Yes, and I had a specification in hair follicles. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: I have a book coming out next fall. These crimes

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Speaker 1: are solved because I do selve almost all the crimes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that is freaking incredible. I have some of my husband's hair,

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Speaker 1: But do I have to break it out now that

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Speaker 1: I keep sort of privately and like a little vile.

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Speaker 1: If the hair was pulled or fallen out in or

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Speaker 1: around the time that your husband disappeared, then yes, it

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Speaker 1: would be very important to look at these hair follows

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Speaker 1: from prior stuff like a day prior, because even then

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Speaker 1: that could have some relevance to the case, or even

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Speaker 1: two days sometimes. No, this is just from other stuff

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Speaker 1: like the shower and whatever. I'll just like put it

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Speaker 1: in a little old because that's not helpful. Um no,

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Speaker 1: not unless we're, you know, comparing DNA samples. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: I got I got other ship here. Um, I do

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Speaker 1: don't have to do Okay, loves would be kidnapped preferable,

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Speaker 1: but this is fine. Should I drop that? Should I

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Speaker 1: drop that? Okay? Oh gosh, sorry, okay, well I have

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Speaker 1: other stuff. I have other stuff. I mean, we can

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Speaker 1: It has a hotel name on it. Yeah, he loves

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Speaker 1: going here? Oh okay, well did you call the hotel? This?

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Speaker 1: This could be a first clue. This is l park.

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Speaker 1: I called this hotel and I asked him is my

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Speaker 1: I got scared and I hung up because that I thought,

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Speaker 1: it really did sound like a hotel, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. My husband wouldn't be staying at a hotel.

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Speaker 1: He's been kidnapped, you know what I mean. I didn't

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Speaker 1: as you first told me. Why would my husband be

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Speaker 1: to surprise me? Well, I can't speak to what a person.

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Speaker 1: Why a person goes to a hotel. The motivation is

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Speaker 1: So WHI my husband be at a hotel with him?

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Speaker 1: While I look at the clues and I derive conclusions

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Speaker 1: all the purchases. He's stealing this freak of stealing his identity. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I just listen. I have a lot of experience dealing

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Speaker 1: I don't say that to hurt you. I know this

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Speaker 1: is a very difficult time. Separation can be hugely, hugely chaplenging.

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Speaker 1: Who said the S word? Who said the ask we're here?

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Speaker 1: You said that was word? I didn't say that sword

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm not a psychologist. I won't delve into

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Speaker 1: know it's so good. Again, not a psychologist, but I

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Speaker 1: to doctors. And this is it. You guys speak in

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Speaker 1: not kidnapped. There is no crime here other than, perhaps

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Speaker 1: you know, a sociological crime that he did not tell

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Speaker 1: you he was leaving. You're saying, my husband got out

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Speaker 1: of our bed, packed his own things in the suitcases

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Speaker 1: That does same very reasonable to me. But why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell me what you think happened? This is classic

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Speaker 1: doctor stuff, so like I got the big fancy degree.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think is wrong? Let me tell

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Speaker 1: the Sara VSPF fifteen. How could they possibly know? You're

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Speaker 1: You're suggesting implies that my husband and I have an

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Speaker 1: me why why? It provides motivation? And granted I usually

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Speaker 1: delve into the hair follicles, the bone fragments, the blood

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Speaker 1: the pen. Is that okay? Oh no, you disturbed the evidence.

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Speaker 1: You can't bite on evidence. Well, maybe you guys should

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Speaker 1: all can say that at the store when you buy

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Speaker 1: the pet, you can't bite this. Who could be evidence?

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Speaker 1: So this this is a an old receipt. This is

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Speaker 1: place our victims, it can it can really solidify the

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Speaker 1: I don't want to eat the evidence or whatever you said,

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing this is a train ticket for the night

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Speaker 1: There's no perforation where a return ticket might be. So

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Speaker 1: it does suggest that your husband, whose name is on

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Speaker 1: According to Detective Mullins, this fucking kidnapper might have taken

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Speaker 1: What the fund do you know about relationships? Mullins? Who's

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