WEBVTT - Short: The Casie Nicole 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:05.160 Thinking Sideways is not supported by the power of levitation. Instead, 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.280 it's supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.320 Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:26.960 and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know stories 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:32.160 of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hi. Then, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.200 welcome to a special short episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:41.560 joined as always by Steve and Devin and Um. As 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.839 some of you know, we've had an intern for a 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.400 little while, UM, and we are really confident in his 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.239 abilities as a podcaster at this point, so we decided 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.440 to invite him to this like very short round table 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.319 and UM, hopefully it'll work out and we'll see where 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.320 it goes from here. So do you want to introduce yourself? 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.800 I'm Justin. How are you doing tonight? St Devon Joe 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:12.119 doing quiet? Well, you know, it's like he hasn't before. Yeah, 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.240 he's met us before. He's our intern. Yeah, So welcome 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.000 to Justin. Yeah, so, um, welcome to this round table, Joe. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.880 It's your episode. Okay, well, yeah, let's let's talk about this. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.680 This is one that's been bouncing around the internet for 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:27.080 a while. Um, Curtsey Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah, yeah, Unsolved Mysteries. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.840 The TV show did do an episode on this one. Uh, 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.840 it's the crew of the Casey Nicole. What happened to them? 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.839 So our story begins April eleventh, nineteen, or maybe April tence, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.720 or maybe April twelve, because I've seen all three dates 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.040 in different accounts, and I decided to go with April 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.720 eleventh because the date makes the most sense when you 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.600 add up the days of the whole year us again. Yeah, 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.320 I know, I know to four, I can do that. Yeah. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.040 So four men boarded the Casey Nicole, which was a 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.000 thirty four foot fishing boat. The four where Nathan and 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:03.280 Nie Smith, brother, Billy Joe, Ni Smith, his nephew, Keith Wilkes, 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.200 and Franklin Brantley a k A. Frank, who the Nie 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.919 Smiths had known for a long time. All then lived 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:13.600 in Dairy and Georgia. How old were these guys? Uh? 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.520 See Nathan thirty two, Billy Joe twenty three, Keith eighteen, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.760 and Frank twenty three. So they most of them had 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.359 been on the sea for a number of years. Yeah, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.600 except for Keith. I don't think Keith had spent a 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.600 whole lot of time, you know. Yeah, But what they 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:31.880 were doing is they were going to go out for 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.320 a seven day fishing trip. And I assumed this was professional, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.600 not not just for pleasure. Abought the same time at 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.080 a thirty four ft boat. I'm not sure how many 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.839 fish you can hold on something like that. Uh. Five 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.720 days later, April sixteenth nine, Nathan n Smith was found 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.560 floating in a large wooden box about twenty miles east 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.040 of Hilton Head Island, South Carolina. The others were missing. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.000 The coast Guard kicked off a massive air and sea 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.440 search with help from local private boat owners and commercial fishermen. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.000 Casey Nicole was found that night I six, about forty 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.600 five miles off the coast. But all they founded the 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.480 other three men was a life vest in a sleeping 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.520 bag about five miles from where Nathan was rescued. Two 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.280 days later, the search was called off and Billy, Joe, Keith, 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.280 and Frank have have never been seen since. Alright, So, 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.680 so justin you did just about all the research on 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.280 this one, and the cars. This is your maiden podcast 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.560 voyage here. Uh so I I've we've been thinking that 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:29.800 maybe you should present this mystery. You cool, thought you're ready? Yeah, 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.720 so all right, going back to the beginning, Um the 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:37.960 Casey Nickel left Darien at zero dark thirty on the eleven, 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.720 almost twenty four hours later. Something went wrong with this boat. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.760 According to news reports at the time, it could have capsized. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.000 Some Internet sources say it was taking on water. Between 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.600 the news and the internet, I'm not sure which one 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.160 we we can trust here. Flip a coin, it doesn't 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.280 really matter. But it's a thirty or four footboat, so 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:05.080 capsizing a bit unlikely, doesn't you know. Yeah, although it 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.960 seems like it maybe did. I don't know how the 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.120 hell that happened. Well, if it took on water, it 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:14.720 could have capsized. So maybe they were about sixty five 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.400 miles off shore. And Nathan said that he got up 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:22.640 around three thirty four am in the morning, started the 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.640 engine and started driving to somewhere to go fishing. And 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.000 they that's the thing, right, like, when you go fishing, 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.920 out said, you just go out early, Right, it's not 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.880 unusual that somebody would be awake at that time. I 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.880 don't think so that's that's kind of standard, Okay. I 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.200 just want to make sure they're like surfers not suspicious 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.719 that he was awake at that time. Okay, he noticed 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:48.719 the boat was heavy with maneuvering and it wasn't going 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.039 over the waves. It was kind of plowing through them 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.599 because it was just not maneuvering as well. That's not great, 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.760 not when you're sixty out. Yeah. He woke up his brother, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.880 Billy Joe, and told him to wake up the others. 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.839 So Billy Joe went to the bow of the boat 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.320 where Franklin and Keith were sleeping, and and noticed that 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.159 there was a foot of water in the cabin and 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.920 between the bunks. It's really good. Well, that would explain 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.320 why it was plowing through the waves instead of going 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.279 over them. It's not so buoyant anymore. Time at this 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.719 point to turn on the billage pumps. Yeah, so they 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.760 turned those on and they don't appear to be working. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.640 So they recently the boat had been pulled out of 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:37.600 the water for maintenance, some repairs. Maybe those repairs were 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:42.320 done by a family member charging I don't know, Uh, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.640 somebody forgot to reconnect the billage pumps. Maybe always plug 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.680 it back in. Yeah, So they go into panic mode. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:54.200 They start calling out may Day's because well, well, yeah, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.680 on the radio or just like yelling. Well, I don't 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.120 think the radios under water. Okay, so on the radio, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:05.599 got it. This isn't Jaws, you know, they bust the radio. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.480 The brothers, Nathan, Keith and Frank, they're they're doing a 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.240 bucket line trying to get that water out. Billy is 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.279 not getting any response on the radio. Maybe the radio 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.680 wasn't working. Maybe they're too far out and just just 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.799 nobody around in the warning, so maybe nobody was awake. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:31.560 It's possible. And uh, the engine quits, possibly because it's 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:35.159 taken on water and it's flooded. So now they're losing 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.560 the battle and they go to Plan B, which is 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:42.120 their life raft, and the life raft sucks. Yeah, that's 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.839 what I would say. The life raft is there to 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.240 save your life, but doesn't seem to be the case. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.359 We've talked about this on the show before. My extensive 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.560 experience on cruise ships. Um, you know, life draft is 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.440 like your very last chance, right, I mean, you don't 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.000 want to do that. And then this one it sounds 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.600 like was subpar. Yeah, maybe not in the best condition 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:11.000 and it only sat to not four. Yeah that's you know, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:16.080 that's like Titanic with well, yeah, it's like the water. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.600 It's like you know when you go to the sporting 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.120 good store and they say they advertise a two man 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.520 raft and it's big enough for one man, and a 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.920 four man is big enough for two. Yeah, I'm sara. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:26.960 They bought this in good faith, thinking, hey it says 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.400 four man raft. But they're yeah, they're a or like tense, right. Yeah, 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.640 you get like sleep six people and you're like, I 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:37.000 can fit three in here exactly. By two they go 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.920 to the raft and two of them are in the boat. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.200 The other two are kind of hanging on, sitting on 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:46.240 the on the rim where. Yeah, but they all got 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.400 their desks on. So the sun's coming up now because 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:55.200 they've been battling this whole deal and getting darkness, yeah yeah, 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.560 and uh so now they think, well things are getting better. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.920 We're you know, we're going to get to discovered because 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:07.320 suns out. But their raft is leaking. Luckily, a hatch 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.960 cover is drifting by, so they grab it and tie 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.040 it to the raft, trying to give it extra floatation. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.840 Now that the sun is out, they could see the 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.760 casey nickel and it hasn't completely sunk, you know, And 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.360 that's kind of like, what was the other boat thing 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.400 you guys did where it was like the unsinkable boat. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:32.880 Oh yeah, yeah, it doesn't doesn't sink all the way. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.520 It's just sort of submerged. Look creepy. Well, particularly if 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.080 it did capsize and we don't know, you know there's 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.360 an air pocket in there. Yeah, definite capsize. That'll help 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.520 keep it afloat a little bit. Absolutely, I mean part 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.240 of it. Obviously. You don't want to be on the 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.719 deck when it capsizes, but you can maybe climb back 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.800 on because it will still float. Yeah, they see the 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.760 capsize half sunken boat off in the distance now open water. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.079 Can you tell how far away it is? I don't know. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.440 It's it's in accounts of this, it seems to me 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.559 it seems like some say close by, some say three 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.719 four miles away. Can you see it if it's three 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.959 or four miles away? I don't know. I think so, 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.640 I don't know. I think you have an idea that 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.120 it's there. You can see something, but you may not 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.720 have it exactly. Yeah. That also, it seems like a 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.199 long way to drift. It really does. Doesn't mean unless 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.679 the current is really strong, well, unless or if there's 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.720 a lot of wind. Yeah, I guess maybe if like 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.880 the tide is going in or out pretty heavily. Well, 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.640 I think tide effects both obtuslys equally. But if there's 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.600 a lot of wind, then obviously the life raft is 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.559 as a higher profile, it's going to be affected a 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.600 lot more by the one. You have you seen any 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.240 of you've seen pictures of the life raft? Do you 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:46.880 know what kind of life raft it was? Now, I've 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:48.679 seen pictures in the web, but I'm not sure if 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.080 they're not just screen caps from the v N Solved 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.840 Mysteries episode, I don't know. I don't think they are. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.120 I think they are too, yeah, because you know, there 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.880 are those life rafts that they have on like bigger 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.800 ships that are contained in those capsules which you might 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.400 have on a smaller ship as well, that have the 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.520 covering on top of them. They look like big pyramids, right, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.400 versus the ones that are just like little dinghies. I 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.240 don't think that on this fishing boat that's what they 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.920 were they were springing for. If they were just out 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.600 of repairs, well, I don't think they're like that much 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.360 more expensive. You're making a face that makes me think 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:26.920 they are Okay, I take it back. Okay, So okay, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.640 you're right. Yeah, are somebody's right now? Somebody who's Well, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.959 here's what Nathan said. It looks like it maybe it 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.880 was maybe three or four miles from us. I said, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.200 I don't know what kind of chance we got, but 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.560 at least maybe one of us can make it to 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.880 the boat and get some kind of help. Well that's 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.280 what I've struck out to do. I'm not really sure 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:52.800 what kind of sense that makes, but I have a 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.959 question here. Wait, so he swam. Yeah. Did they not 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.839 have oars in their life raft? No? You That's why 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.800 I'm saying. It was this like inflatable thing. These little 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.840 life rafts. They come in this like little pod. They're 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.640 not that big there, you know, maybe like a two 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.920 ft three ft wide when you just pull a thing 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.160 and they just inflate out. They don't have oars and 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.400 stuff in them. They have like emergency rations and like 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.439 a little water and of like light. But that's I mean, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.560 that's what I imagined was on this ship with something inflatable, 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.480 likely out of a pod, not something that's like an 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.360 old like from Titanic, right with the with the wooden 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.480 oars and yeah, No, I don't think it's like that. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.640 They don't have oars usually on on things like that, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.440 because if you have oars, it's like a lot of rooms. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.600 That I'm wondering this is that if if something popped 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.120 up next to the life raft and they're they're tying 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.720 it to the boat to get extra flotation, it seems 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.920 like there would be other flotsam that they could have 0:11:52.000 --> 0:12:00.440 grabbed and used to paddle. It was flots what about jetsam? Yeah, 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.079 like no, I mean, yeah, maybe, but maybe not. I mean, 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.319 if they were actually three or four miles away from 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.560 the wreckage, there wouldn't talk. Probably. I I just don't 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.240 get it, you know, I mean, I really don't get it. 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:12.760 Some of these sub parts of this story don't make 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.280 a lot of sense to me. And in the same 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.840 boat as Joe no pun intended, I'm asking this question 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.880 pun pun intended. I think it's because they're on a 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.920 rubber life raft and not a wooden one. So once 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.040 this thing deflates or takes on water, they're in the water. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:34.520 So go to something that's somewhat floating as opposed to absolutely. Yeah, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.679 and yeah, and if you can climb up on the 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.679 whole of this boat. You know, then that's a better 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.199 place to be than immersed in the ocean, right, And 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.440 and you kind of think the ship might I guess 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.880 probably there's some thought process of the ship might be 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.400 salvageable parts of it at least, you know. But but 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.960 to your guys point, they don't know how far away 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.640 this thing is. They can't tell. I mean, it's like 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.040 when you're walking down the strip in Vegas, that casino 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.640 looks really close and then by time you get there, 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.240 you're dead. Exactly. That happens to me all the time. 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.240 So Nathan sets out and claims that he spent many hours, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:14.319 like seven swimming to know he didn't time. Sorry, I 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.679 mean I believe he claimed that he did, but I 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.720 don't believe. I mean, it was probably like thirty minutes. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.880 He probably probably took some breaks. I think he was 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:26.839 wearing a PFD. And when you d yeah, lifevest okay, Yeah, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.199 And have you have a flotation device? Have you ever 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:35.000 tried swimming in a in a PFD? Yeah? Backstroke, Yeah, 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.440 that's one way to do. They teach you a special stroke. Actually, 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:42.240 how did you like this? Yeah? Okay, she's doing things 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.840 with her hands. Yeah, you know what is. It's like 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:46.560 that you lay on your back and then you kind 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.320 of like because you don't exert very much energy, and 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.400 you like kind of kick with your feet and then like, 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.160 I don't know, I don't even know how to describe 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.520 this motion. It's kind of a who it dance with 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.959 your arms. It exerts like almost no energy. And since 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.839 you're laying on your back, your heads above the water 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.120 and you get to go, I'm laboring a point. I'm sorry. So, yeah, 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.400 you're probably right that's what he did. He probably didn't 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.880 do that. He probably was trying to like swear stroke 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.559 or something. And I'm sure he took lots of breaks. Yeah, right, 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.200 an hour seems excessive though, doesn't it. It really does. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.680 We can check his time clock. But yeah, he says 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.600 that it took him seven hours, But when you're doing 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.560 something crazy like that might take longer, something stressful like that. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.040 He said when he arrived it was just before dark, 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.320 so it depends on when he set out. That could 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:39.120 have been seven normal. But again this is from him, right, Well, no, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.120 I mean, why would he lie about that? Well, there's 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.720 you know, who knows. So he spends the night, he 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.000 makes it and he spends the night on the Casey, 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.240 so he climbs up onto the hall and just spends 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.720 his spend, drapes himself over it, and spends the night 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.240 clinging to the hall. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like a 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.760 comfortable sleep Leonardo's style. Yeah, that's when things get a 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.040 little strange though. Uh. He's hanging on and he sees 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.760 a freighter. This is next morning. Yeah, yeah, So he 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.200 hangs on all night and the next morning he sees 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.440 a freighter coming by, and it stops three or four 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.080 times and circles around, and that kind of looks like 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.560 it might be picking up people in my mind. So, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.600 you know, in the vicinity of where he expects the 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.520 life raft to be exactly that's where he swam from. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.080 Where But you know, did the currents take them away? 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:34.800 I mean, already this is his own best judgment. He says. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.520 It looks like it made four stops, maybe five, and 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.920 each time it would stop in circle, and it was 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.560 in the direction where my mates were, So I figured 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.600 that maybe it had stopped to pick them up. This 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:49.320 one on for three hours and then the freighter sailed off. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:54.280 That seems excessive. You've been on a cruise ship. Right, Yeah, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.440 how long does it take to talk that stupid thing? 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.280 Fifteen minutes? No, no, no, I was on a ship 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.480 for a long time. It's like fifteen minutes. It's now 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.080 think that cruise ship had to circle before. You know. 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.320 The thing is is ships are much faster than people 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.240 think they are. They can be. I mean they can be. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.000 You're right, And I guess like, if you've got something 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.840 delicate in the water, you're going to be careful around it. Right. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.000 If you've got these people who are kind of floating, 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.840 you're probably not going to circle them as fast as 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.040 you possibly can. Yeah, probably not going to do that 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.480 because you might suck them into your engines, your dolphins. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.640 But you know, maybe what they were actually doing is 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.480 they weren't rescuing them. Maybe they were actually just statistic 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.360 and theories. Okay, I'm sorry, they're just trying to suck 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.400 them into their screws. No, we got to wait for theories. Right. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:46.120 So a large box floated by Nathan and it popped 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.280 up to the surface, and he thought it was the 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.120 bait box. We're thinking it's a bait box, like a 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.520 wooden box, right, Yeah, So other people say it's an 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.360 engine cover, yeah, you know what it news. He climbed 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.919 onto it and this was his new home. This is 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.400 his life now. Half in the next few days, So 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.440 a few days, I mean then a few days without 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.840 food and water and no sunscreen. He's hurting, So I 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.520 have a question. Actually, So he climbed off of this 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.840 hole which was still flow. It wasn't thinking still right, 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.760 it was. It was in its kind of final resting state. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.440 It wasn't going, It wasn't going anywhere. So he must 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.560 have assumed that the box would give him a better 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.120 chance of getting to land. You know that people have 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.480 I'm thinking the Jaws in scene when they can kind 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:42.040 of kick and swim with the little flotation thing as 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.399 opposed to just sitting on Even though he had a 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:49.359 flotation device on him, he needed more um one word, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.800 sharks was a small bay box going to do more 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.320 than a flotation. So a wooden box that you're sitting 0:17:55.400 --> 0:18:00.200 inside of, Okay, okay, I can conceptualize that. Sure, that's 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.000 what you know. It sounds really uncomfortable to be in 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.680 a in this box. And that was a sizeable box, 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.800 I mean three or four feet long at least, right, 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.639 But it's got to be more comfortable than clinging to 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.879 an overturned boat the whole. It's got to be a 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.760 more comfortable ride. Still, it's regrettable they didn't happen to 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.320 have like a you know, see, like a a like 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.840 a line from the boat that he could have tied 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.040 the box off too, so he wouldn't be separated from 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.040 the boat. That would have been nice. Yeah. I just 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.560 assumed that it was something that he could kind of 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:35.600 paddle in and move more maneuverable than the whole of 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:40.560 a sunken chip, or easily sit in and take a nap. Yeah, okay, 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.639 all right, I'm on board. So his ordeal continued and 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:48.800 tell Monday until nine am, and he was spotted by 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.440 a passing boat. He was in really bad shape, dehydrated, sunburnt, 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.160 and I'm sure you know if you'd taken on any 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.000 sea water that makes you a little crazy. Yeah, probably 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.879 some hypothermia in there too, rag, Yeah, this is seawater. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.560 So he went to the hospital and you stayed there 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:10.959 for several days. He reported hearing voices while drifting at 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.000 sea that kept him alive because they were encouraging him. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:22.600 Yeah exactly, I mean, what else are you gonna do? Yeah, Yeah. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.960 As for Billy, Joe, Keith, and Frank, they he assumed 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.720 they were picked up by the freighter, but they disappeared 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.680 and he hadn't heard from them. Were never seen again, Yeah, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.840 not reported that they were. They were rescued, So that's 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.639 kind of strange. That's uh, these guys were picked up 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.800 by a freighter but then never seen again. That's a 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:47.399 little weird. Yeah, yeah, there's nothing out, but it turns 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.600 out that there's more to the story. Justin thanks for 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.119 your presentation. You did awesome, no problem. Well you're pretty 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:59.280 good in gold Stars. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah to star 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:04.720 Yell review. Yeah. So Nathan is back and dry land 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.000 and there's here's where things get a little hinky. Months 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.119 after the accident, the Nathan's sister, a Nita, got a 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.879 phone call from a person speaking Spanish. She couldn't understand 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.160 anything that he said other than her name and her 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.160 phone number. Everything else was unintelligible. Here's a quote from her. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.640 All this person would keep saying was repeating her phone 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.480 number and saying our name, and that's all. And you know, 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:30.280 we just kept saying hello, hello, and it just cut off. Unquote. 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:36.280 That's from Unsolved mysteries. Uh, and around reliable of course, yes, 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.960 Steve's favorite thing. Roughly around the same time, the owner 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.880 of the casey n Cole, whose name was Doug Tyson, 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.440 got a similar call. And this is something I was 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:48.800 trying to find out by the way I was. I 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.240 was just curious if they had actually towed the casey 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.320 to cold the sword to shore and salvaged it. And uh, 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.200 I did a little I did a little side research. 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.400 I never got that. I never saw anything that said 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.760 that they did, But they must have. You don't just 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:02.880 leave stuff like that laying out in the ocean where 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.920 it could be a navigation hazard. Um, well, the Coastguard 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.240 would go out and scuttle it. They could. They could 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.879 maybe have scuttled it. I wasn't really sure, so I 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.639 h that's a low priority for him, probably, I yeah. 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.200 I called actually called the local Coastguard station and asked them, 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.760 and they didn't respond. Well. Yeah, I talked to this 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.720 ends and he said, well, I can't really tell you. 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:26.120 What I'll do is I'll pass it up the chain 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.359 of commands. And it never called back. And then I 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:30.960 called back a couple of weeks later, and I talked 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.080 to a petty officer who told me that all their 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.480 logs from that far back would have been sent to 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:45.840 the National Archives and really familiar. Yeah, and and of 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.840 course that was twenty one excuse me, not twenty six 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.359 years ago, so nobody around they would remember it. So 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.879 you know, I'm at luck. Called called a reporter to 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.399 local paper and she didn't know about it either. So 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.879 did you google street view? Yeah? Street you for the 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:05.159 middle of the ocean? Yeah? I did. Yeah, where we 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.040 get yeah? Yeah? Okay, back to the owner of the 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.400 casey to call. Uh So he got a similar phone 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:13.960 call from a man speaking Spanish, and again the only 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:15.800 thing that Tyson could understand was his own name and 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.280 his phone number being spoken to him. It wasn't until 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.080