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Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hi. Then,

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Speaker 1: welcome to a special short episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by Steve and Devin and Um. As

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Speaker 1: little while, UM, and we are really confident in his

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Speaker 1: it goes from here. So do you want to introduce yourself?

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Speaker 1: I'm Justin. How are you doing tonight? St Devon Joe

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Speaker 1: doing quiet? Well, you know, it's like he hasn't before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's met us before. He's our intern. Yeah, So welcome

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Speaker 1: to Justin. Yeah, so, um, welcome to this round table, Joe.

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Speaker 1: It's your episode. Okay, well, yeah, let's let's talk about this.

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Speaker 1: This is one that's been bouncing around the internet for

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Speaker 1: a while. Um, Curtsey Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah, yeah, Unsolved Mysteries.

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Speaker 1: The TV show did do an episode on this one. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's the crew of the Casey Nicole. What happened to them?

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Speaker 1: So our story begins April eleventh, nineteen, or maybe April tence,

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Speaker 1: So four men boarded the Casey Nicole, which was a

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Speaker 1: in Dairy and Georgia. How old were these guys? Uh?

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Speaker 1: See Nathan thirty two, Billy Joe twenty three, Keith eighteen,

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Speaker 1: kidding me? Yeah? Why didn't? Yeah? Yeah, you get a

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00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: phone call to you from somebody speaking Spanish. Well, I

422
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: gotta go and roll with local community college and start

423
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: learning Spanish because I'm going to totally remember what I

424
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: heard in a language I don't know. Well, now you

425
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: should learn Spanish because the guy might call back. He

426
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: might Yeah, yeah, there's Rosetta Stone. Yeah. As Rosetta said,

427
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: I think that the better thing to do is to

428
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: put just get a tape recorder and tape record and

429
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: if the guy calls, tape record the calls and then

430
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: go find somebody to speak Spanish, that would make more sense. Sense, Yeah,

431
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: and learn how to say in Spanish, tell me more

432
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: and then that's it. That's all you need to know.

433
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: So what do you guys think of these phone calls?

434
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: Do you think these were valid or a con artist

435
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: or prank's or even existed? Do you guys think you know, Actually,

436
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: I believe that that the calls happened, um, but personally

437
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: it's possible that they didn't happen. But I mean, prank

438
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: calls happened, wrong numbers happened, It could have been all misunderstanding.

439
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: They could have had nothing to do with the disappearance

440
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: of the crew of the case in the coal. It

441
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: seemed they were all a little connected though since they

442
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: it is, I mean, that's what we talked about this

443
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: a lot, right with the like that's a lot of coincidences.

444
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: It would be a coincidence, it's true. So I mean,

445
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I guess I don't put a

446
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: lot of stock into them, especially since the only real

447
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: way that we know about them is online forums. That

448
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: that is a big issue, big issue for me. But

449
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: I do. I think they're interesting. That's probably the most

450
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: intriguing part of the whole mystery. Well, it does appear

451
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: though from the unsolved mysteries saying that that the family did,

452
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: or at least they say they received these calls. Let

453
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: me let me try and run with it this way.

454
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: Then somebody calls who English is not their first language.

455
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: So let's say they get the number out of a

456
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: phone book for unrelated reasons, so they are able to

457
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: repeat the phone number that they have just dialed in English,

458
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: and because they're reading it, they can say the name

459
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: in a very but it's obviously accented. They could be saying,

460
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: is this you know the the what is the time

461
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: and the date? What is the time and the date?

462
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: Because you know there's that there used to be that

463
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: phone number that you call and it would say the

464
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: time and the date is But I'm I'm making a

465
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: very blatantly stupid point about out the fact that they

466
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: could have been asking something very generic and innocuous, but

467
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: only had bits that these people who didn't understand a

468
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: relatively thick accent were only able to make out. But again,

469
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: small bits of information cipher. I mean, it's a huge

470
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: coincidence right that the people whose family disappeared in this

471
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: boating accident happened to be the phone number that this

472
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: person who didn't really speak English called. Okay, what town

473
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: did what town? Did this thing? Launch? And Georgia not

474
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: like exactly a large town. But it's entirely possible that

475
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: a dozen other people got several phone calls a very

476
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: similar nature but didn't report it because like somebody can

477
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: it could have been that's possible, could be somebody to

478
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: call it up and saying, hey, would you like your

479
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: gutters cleaned? It's certainly possible. But I also do think

480
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: that it is it's hard to just write off as

481
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: it was the wrong number. I'm not in disagreement, but

482
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to give it that much stock just

483
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: knowing that it's it's it's it's really hard to say,

484
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: because if they were calling them, they're they're calling them

485
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: to either you know, extort money from them, say we

486
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: want money for the return of your loved ones. But

487
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: in that case, why would they stop calling because because

488
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: they died, well, because they died, or because well they

489
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: realized and they must have realized at some point that

490
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: there was a language barrier there, you know, and so

491
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: I need to find myself somebody who can speak English

492
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: to present our extortion demands. And they never really got

493
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: around doing that. So maybe they got bored with the

494
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: whole project and they decided to just kill them. I

495
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: also don't have the sense that that family had a

496
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: whole lot of money. Now, you know, It's not like

497
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: you could be like, well, they're millionaires. Actually I tracked

498
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: down Nathan on on Facebook and on the interwebs, and

499
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: he is he is living uh, you know, he's not

500
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: living high on the hog. Let's just say that. Well,

501
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: here's my other question, though, regardless of their status in

502
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: financial Okay, if if six weeks later he says, hey,

503
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: so it's weird I got this phone call? Why and weird?

504
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: That's weird I got the same phone call. Or hey,

505
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: let's call the phone company and see if they can

506
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: tell me where the phone call came from. Did that

507
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: ever happen? Now? Okay, if you're missing a family member

508
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: and you're thinking this is connected, you might follow it up. Yeah,

509
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: but on the same token, why didn't they call back? Well,

510
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: does the Nigerian email scammer keep you know, responding to

511
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: you know, so if it was a if the if

512
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: the phone call was real and it was a con man,

513
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: then maybe they just abandoned the con could Yeah like

514
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: our intern more. Yeah, our interns pretty smart. Yeah, it's

515
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: like he has experienced with this or whatever. Well, okay,

516
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: there's a whole mystery in a nutshell. Does anybody have

517
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: any theory? Of course? Okay, of course all we all

518
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: have theories. Are now we all have pets really ready

519
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: to talk about hit sounds like first, Yeah, I really

520
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: really like my theory. All right, I don't believe these

521
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: guys were possibly doing well. The theory is, this is

522
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: the one I really like, is that they weren't doing

523
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: what they said they were doing, which was fishing. Instead

524
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: they were running. If you're out in the middle of

525
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: the ocean and you've left a port and then you

526
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: go back home, nobody checked your boat. It's like we

527
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: we didn't catch anything because we didn't have any bait. Whoop.

528
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: See sorry, we've been out here for seven days. But

529
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: old happens to be filled with cocaine. That episode of

530
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Futuruma where they're out international waters and Vender goes, guess

531
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: what you guys are accessories to? Yeah, exactly. So it's

532
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: very possible that these guys were running some kind of

533
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: drug scam and when the when the whole thing went

534
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: to tear rs, their connection drove up and said, oh, hey,

535
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: you're sinking. Uh yeah, it turns out cocaine sinks too,

536
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: so I gotta go and takes off Like it wasn't

537
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: any kind of thing that was nefarious. It was just that,

538
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: like this whole accident actually happens. This happens. But of

539
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: course their friends show their quote unquote drug friends. It's

540
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: always your drugs. The drug friends take the other three guys.

541
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: Um it must I don't know, I mean it could.

542
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: It could be that the drug deal win South. So

543
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, let's say the eighteen year old

544
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 1: kid freaks out and shots are fired or knives are throne,

545
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: because that's what happens to see, knives are throne, and

546
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: so somebody, you know, so this happens. Cutlasses are drawn

547
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: and and somebody's quartered and don't look at me like this.

548
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: This stuff happens on the ocean, according to Bobie Dick.

549
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: But of course, my point is is that either a

550
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: drug deal win South is this theory, or they started

551
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: what was the story of we're taking on water, the

552
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: boat is having problems, it's real, was actually happening, but

553
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: the boat that could have saved them when uh yeah, no, dude, later,

554
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I totally believe that people run

555
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: drugs on boats. So yeah, if this was in the

556
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: Gulf of Mexico or Baja California, I'm down with that.

557
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: But over on the Atlantic side, that's a long way down.

558
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, have you been to Miami. Yeah,

559
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: but that's a good point though, because the drugs are

560
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: coming from like Columbia and two points north, And it's

561
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: my only problem with George is not that far north.

562
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: But I mean it's far enough north that it would

563
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: be not suspicious. I mean, like the ports in Miami,

564
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: like even little fishing boats, they're searched. The customs are

565
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: because it is Miami, right, because there are so many

566
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: drugs coming through there, they are way more vigilant than

567
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: if somebody in like backwaters Georgia go out on a

568
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: fishing trip and then comes back. They're not They're definitely

569
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: not going to search that right the long way down

570
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: the coast like pretty far. You're right, Yeah, you know,

571
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: I could I could sort of see a scenario where

572
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: like that, there's like a small parader that's headed from

573
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: say Columbia to New York, you know, and they just

574
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: rendezvous with these this crew of people you know, out

575
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: in the middle of the ocean on their way and

576
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: transfer a cargo. Well, now, if you flip the direction

577
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: that they're going north, I can buy the drug running.

578
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: But if they were going south to Miami, I don't

579
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: really buy it because then they're going to get searched

580
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: to Miami. Yeah. Yeah, but that's that's kind of what

581
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking about. You know, this is popular on

582
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: the web, but this particular theory is but you know,

583
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: there's of course no evidence. And the other thing about

584
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: it is if the drug dealing went south, then you

585
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: would think there'd be some would have been some bullet

586
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: holes in the case, you would think that I willed

587
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: But if what if the Cassie Nicole had nothing to

588
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: do with the drugs. It was the freighter that picked

589
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: them up and then realized, hoops, we picked some people

590
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: up and they saw some drugs and we've been like

591
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: smuggling drugs, so we have to kill them now. Of

592
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: course they saw the drugs because they haven't read out

593
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: the deck. Yeah, bags and bags of cocaine, right, the right.

594
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: So that's that explains the disappearance on all these people,

595
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: but also explains the sighting of the freighter exactly right, Yeah,

596
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and yeah. The problem with this one

597
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: of the courses is why why would you even pick

598
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: people up unless you'd like the idea of rescuing them

599
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: and watching the expressions on their faces, it's telling you

600
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: they're about to be horribly murdered. That seems silly. Yeah, okay, yeah,

601
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: it's speaking of speaking of horrible people. I was thinking about.

602
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: I have a theory that Billy, Joe, Keith, and Frank

603
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: were rescued by a freighter, but the crew of the

604
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: freighter took them off somewhere and sold them into slavery.

605
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: So they didn't kill them because they saw the drugs

606
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: they were slavers. Yeah, they just thought, well, they were

607
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: necessarily slavers. But maybe they're from a part of the world.

608
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: They're parts of the world where slavery is still a thing,

609
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: a lot of parts of the world where white slavery

610
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: particularly is a thing. Yeah, and so they might have

611
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: just thought it how old and how old were they

612
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: they were young? Yeah, yeah, they were young. Yeah. So yeah, yeah,

613
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a key to manual labor. That's so funny. Actually,

614
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: when you say like slavery, you think strong backs. I

615
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: think like sexual slavery. That that's all I think about too. Therefore,

616
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: sex slaves and therefore males are pretty useless, especially well,

617
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's not necessarily true. That's not that's

618
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: like not even close to true. Males young attractive male

619
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: sex slaves, and I've seen pictures and they're not like

620
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: the worst looking guys. There are parts of the world

621
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: where that's like high demands. Okay, I'm on board with

622
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: the slavery thing, so they probably work. I'm not pro

623
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: slavery the theory. Yeah, yeah. This is the only problem

624
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: with this is that, you know, if they've been dragged

625
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: aboard the boat, you know and everything, you would think

626
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: that they would have said, hey, our friend Nathan is

627
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: right over there, it's four miles away, can we go

628
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: get them. They didn't do that unless it was very

629
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: apparent what was happening to them. Yeah, they would have

630
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: had to immediately say, hey, good to me, Sure we're

631
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna take you off. To a slave market, um and

632
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: and sell you into slavery. And then then they would

633
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: think better just keep quiet about Nathan, because if they

634
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: heard about Nathan, they'd been thinking, hey, cool, another slave.

635
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: They might not even known their demise. They might have

636
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: just been held at gunpoint and being treated aggressively. Or

637
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: they don't bring up Yeah they don't. They don't talk

638
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: about Nathan. But that is the thing. That's one of

639
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: the things that is mysterious about this whole thing is

640
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: that if a freighter came by, and if a freder

641
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: picked up those three, why didn't the freighter come for Nathan.

642
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: I don't believe the freighter was there to pick them up.

643
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: I think the freighter could have been a research ship

644
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: or just something totally unrelated and you know, watching the

645
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: dolphins or you know, whale tour and just half off

646
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: on group on, and Nathan just had no idea. He

647
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: just whom it was picking up his friends. Yeah, that's

648
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: you know. I had a similar thought, which is that

649
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: it was more than one freighter. Oh yeah, I was

650
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: just gonna say that's it is. It's true that that's

651
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: a suspicious number of like circles for the freighter to

652
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're all three in the same location,

653
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: you just make the one stop. And and the other

654
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: thing is if they if they have been separated, then

655
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: what I would think that you would launch your tender

656
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: and send a tender to go pick them up and

657
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: bring them back. You have to be in a certain

658
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: depth of water tender. And actually there are a lot

659
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: of um again, cruise ships. Sorry, but the cruise ships

660
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: don't carry their tenders. They don't know they're where they're

661
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: in the port, so they go from port to ship

662
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: to ports. So the only ship they would have to

663
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: launch would be their life rafts, and you obviously don't

664
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: do that because there's no way to get those back

665
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: on board. So but it does seem like a lot

666
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: of trips. I mean, you know, five or six circles

667
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: to make to pick up three guys who are presumably

668
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: in about the same place. That seems like a lot.

669
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: That does seem like a lot. But yeah, that's why

670
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking that perhaps you know, Nathan was he

671
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: was he'd been to a lot and he was exhausted

672
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: after a swim. He's already I'm sure got dehydration, hypothermia.

673
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: So he and he spent a pretty much sleepless night

674
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: on the on the on the boat, and so he

675
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: might have just been drifting in and out, you know,

676
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: so he wakes up, he's a fraider, wakes up, he's

677
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: another freighter, and that's several miles away, and they're gonna

678
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: look ill kind of like and I kind of like,

679
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, a lot like yeah, a lot of like, so, oh,

680
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: here's a freighter, here's a freighter. So you know that

681
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: it might have just been several freighters. He wouldn't even

682
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: really have to be drifting in and out. I mean,

683
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: it could just be that it was just far enough

684
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: on the horizon that you know, he thought it was circling. Yeah,

685
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: so it's going out of you and back into view.

686
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: But it was really just like new Ones every time. Right.

687
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: It's also entirely possible that he's just hallucinating the whole thing.

688
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we know that he was sunburned to hydrated,

689
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: and God helped me. If he made the stupid choice

690
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: of deciding to drink a little sea water headed hard

691
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: that it's very hard to resist, I understand, but it

692
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: crazy things to your brain. That is an instant recipe

693
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: for hallucinations. So he could have just been thinking about

694
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: his friends and to sigh and and in his little,

695
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, sun baked brain saw ships in the distance

696
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: because ships are what you're hoping for. Ye, that's true.

697
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: There is one more idea I came up with for Nathan.

698
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: It's sort of my specialty in its murder murder foul it.

699
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he murdered everybody. I'm not saying he did,

700
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: just saying that maybe somebody borrowed his fishing lure didn't

701
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: give it back. Maybe the drug deal went down wrong.

702
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have killed his brother and everybody.

703
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: But when you cover murder, you see people do the

704
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: most weird things and things that you would ever expect.

705
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: So is it that he murdered them all or things

706
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: went south and that you know, through the commission of

707
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: the murder the boat suffered damage and then well, I

708
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: guess for me, the murder idea does help to explain

709
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: these phone calls to right that it may not be

710
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: that the phone calls were actually placed, but that people

711
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: close to Nathan had motivation to say that the phone

712
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: calls were made because they were trying to cover for him.

713
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: I think that if I were in Nathan's position, I

714
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: would just want to let the matter die rather than

715
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: keep it alive. But uh yeah, that the problem I

716
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: have with the murder theory, and there's people who's who've

717
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: mentioned that, is that it's easy enough to imagine killing

718
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: people and throwing their bodies overboard, But then how does

719
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: he capsize the thirty four foot vote? How do you

720
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: go about doing that? Or why would he because that's

721
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: his ticket home. Yeah, that's true, that's exactly true too. Yeah,

722
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: but he could have very easily reversed billage pump. Let's say,

723
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: let's say he could have throws him overboard. He's like,

724
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta scuttle this boat. They have se

725
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: cos you know too. Yeah, next question, Sorry not to

726
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: interrupt the next question. Why not just say the boat

727
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: capsized and sunk, and here I am safe on this

728
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: happy little vessel that is rubber, right. I mean, like

729
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the raft was bad, which would drive him

730
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: back to the boat, right, Yeah, But the raft would

731
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: have to actually be bad then, well, yeah, that's the

732
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: whole thing, wouldn't everybody he says, Nathan says that everybody

733
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: on the raft the other threek, We're all no, no, Nathan,

734
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: don't leave us. We gotta stay together. But and he

735
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm going to go get help. But

736
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: we don't really know what happened. I mean, he might

737
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: have said, screw all, y'all, the rats got a leak.

738
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm at it. You're based on truth. Yeah,

739
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: so he could have maybe not a outright murder, but

740
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: a neglect or abandonment. Yea. Well, and I mean Nathan's favor,

741
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: you know. I mean the other people also had the

742
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: option of leaving the leaky raft and going back to

743
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: the to the hull of the Casey Nicole. Yeah, they

744
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: did if it was big enough. Rows. It's hard to decide. Yeah,

745
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's a big battle and they were all,

746
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: like you, clawing each other's eyes out. I don't know.

747
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: I hate and I hate. I shouldn't even say stuff

748
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: like that because I'm sure it's not true. Yeah, I'm

749
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: sure Nathan didn't do anything like that, but maybe he did.

750
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: Our intern seems to think so. Yeah. I think the

751
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: whole murder thing or whatever thing that you know, probably

752
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: it's just the internet. Yeah, I mean I think it's bunk.

753
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: I think nothing against you justin our intern, But you've

754
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: been doing this for a less time than we have,

755
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: so I can understand how you would get, you know,

756
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: kind of wrapped up in this, uh you know, kind

757
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: of Internet conspiracy theory stuff. So I I but I

758
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: really appreciate you bringing it to the table. It's it's good.

759
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: It's it's good. Don't worry a kid, you're learning. Well.

760
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: This concludes our investigation. As always, we solved the hell

761
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: out of it. Um. So anyway, UM, if you want to,

762
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: if you want to learn more, go to our website

763
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways podcast dot com where you can listen to episodes.

764
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: We'll have links out there for you guys do to

765
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: go to, and you can, of course the complimentary comments.

766
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: We have a bot that filters out nasty comments. Um.

767
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: And that's about it, you guys. Last thoughts. No, I

768
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to like, thank justin our intern. Um. You know,

769
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: I think you did a really good job on this episode. Yeah.

770
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: And I you know, the reason that we took you

771
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: on as an intern was because we know you were

772
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: involved with this like other podcasts that I guess also

773
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: had something to do with Unsolved Mystery, So we knew

774
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: that you were going to be good fit. But we're

775
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: We're really happy to see that you were good fit

776
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: in this roundtable format and you really did a good

777
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: job with the script, so thank you for that. And

778
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: we're just kind of hoping I guess that, Um, I

779
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I don't know, like, how are

780
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: you feeling about this podcast versus like whatever the other

781
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: project you were doing was before. I'm loving this. Thank

782
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: you so much for this opportunity. I don't think I

783
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: was I was able to do all these things before. Yeah. Yeah,

784
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: that's good. So that's good. So I guess you can

785
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: we'll continue with us, and you know, I guess that

786
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: that other like generational question thing that was happening before.

787
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll just um continue with Team Sideways and we'll

788
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: be good to go. Excellent, awesome, Thanks, So do you

789
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: do you want any help writing? Your Dear John Email