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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Mini Parasites Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show Weirdest Animal Spit, we are

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Speaker 1: separating fact from fiction when it comes to expectorating animals.

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Speaker 1: Is komodo dragon saliva really deadly? And what could be

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Speaker 1: as cute as a harmless little mal? Discover this and

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Speaker 1: more as we answer the angel question, can we just

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Speaker 1: throw worms on our problems? Joining me today as friend

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Speaker 1: of the show. Co host of George Center and Lower

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Speaker 1: after Hours, Will Pull aka Christy, I'm a Guccie Mane.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, thank you for having me back. And you've already

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Speaker 2: referenced moles at the very top of the show, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like, no matter the subject matter they get

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Speaker 2: brought up, every episode I've been on has has moles

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Speaker 2: in it.

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Speaker 1: They really maybe moles just desire to be your animal.

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Speaker 2: It's I'm starting to believe that like, if I had

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Speaker 2: a an animal that matches my interests and personality, it

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Speaker 2: would it would have to be the mole. Like they

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Speaker 2: just seem like they are the single most interesting set

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Speaker 2: of creatures of all time.

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Speaker 1: They are very cool. I love them. There's so many

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Speaker 1: of them. There's like this whole thing of carsonization where

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Speaker 1: nature loves a crab and things keep evolving to be

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Speaker 1: crab shaped. The same can be said of moles. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of mole like animals or animals called moles,

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Speaker 1: who are not related to true moles, but they look

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Speaker 1: so similar and it's convergent evolution because nature also loves

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Speaker 1: a mole. So eventually we'll I'll either be crabs or moles.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like you'd be team moles.

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Speaker 2: That is, that is the We already have the conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theories about mole people right right, Like that's already a thing,

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Speaker 2: so we're already headed there. We're already predicting our own

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Speaker 2: future with that conspiracy theory. So I for when I

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Speaker 2: am excited to eventually take my true final form as

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Speaker 2: a mole person underground. As much time as I spend online,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm halfway there.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like the only reason I would choose

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Speaker 1: crab over mole is that I love scuttling. Scuttling is great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you like walking, like like scuttling sideways especially, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, the sideways scuttle is very efficient and I enjoy

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Speaker 1: it so Other than that, though, mole life sounds great

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Speaker 1: to just be down in dank, moist soil.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we are going to talk about a secret

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Speaker 1: superpower that moles have. But first will have you heard

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Speaker 1: of komodo dragon saliva being especially dangerous? I have?

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Speaker 2: I heard. I feel like growing up it was one

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Speaker 2: for the rest of your life, that komodo dragons have

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Speaker 2: poisonous saliva, that they basically have venom or I guess

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Speaker 2: venom would be the correct term there, not poisonous. Poisonous

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Speaker 2: is when you're toxic when something eats you, right, and

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Speaker 2: venomus is when you deliver toxins to your prey. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So I feel like I grew up hearing that komodo

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Speaker 2: dragons were super venomous, that the bite of a Komodo

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is like the way that I heard

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Speaker 1: it is that komodo dragons saliva is so full of

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Speaker 1: for sepsis to kick in. So it's like they have

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Speaker 1: this extremely nasty, noxious septic spit saliva, and then they

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Speaker 1: The animal keels over, and the Komodo dragon just casually

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Speaker 1: lot of interesting ideas and myths about the Komodo dragons,

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Speaker 1: but for some of the facts. So, Komodo dragons are

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Speaker 1: indeed very impressive lizards. They are the thickest lizards in

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Speaker 1: so they are the chunkiest lizards on the planet.

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Speaker 2: That's thickest is an interesting way of describing it. Like

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Speaker 2: I now I'm picturing a komodo dragon with like a

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Speaker 1: Thick as a bowl of oatmeal, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Do not skip leg day. They live up to about

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Speaker 2: Well more like komodo wagon. Oh my gosh, and that'll

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Speaker 2: be it for me, all right, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think we've got an episode there.

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Speaker 2: We nailed it, and we nailed it.

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Speaker 1: So they live on islands of Indonesia in dry grasslands

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Speaker 1: So yeah, about their saliva. You hear that their saliva

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Speaker 1: sepsis or an alternative versions of it. They bite their prey,

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Speaker 1: Komodo dragon saliva is not particularly septic compared to other animals,

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Speaker 2: They like not unlike myself. Yeah, having eaten ribs or

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Speaker 2: chicken wings. I'm very Uh I'm empathizing with the komodo dragon,

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Speaker 1: Top misconception about will is that he has septic saliva.

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Speaker 1: So they do have venom like proteins in their saliva,

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Speaker 1: so their saliva is partially venomous, but it is unclear

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Speaker 1: increasing the chance that the animal goes into shock. But

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Speaker 1: causing massive bleeding, shock, and death. And so the one

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Speaker 2: These Uh, I'm looking at pictures of komodo dragons. They

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Speaker 2: it's almost dog like. Yeah, they're they're snout like. They

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Speaker 2: the the muscle structure they're they're almost almost like doofy looking,

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Speaker 2: even though I know, like you you just described them.

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Speaker 2: You know they're how gnarly these things are. Uh, they're

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Speaker 1: They can though I think they're c they are cute.

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Speaker 1: They're not not a good thing to pet, but they

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Speaker 2: They're they're like you said they are. They are chonky

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Speaker 2: like they're they've got like folds everywhere, like they're they

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Speaker 2: the first suggestions was seven reasons the komodo dragon is

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Speaker 2: an ideal pet. But you are you were dissuading me

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say I would say don't keep

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Speaker 2: And I imagine, I imagine the like, if you did

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Speaker 2: Even though like you're dispelling this about its saliva, it's

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Speaker 2: still probably not a great thing to get all over each.

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Speaker 1: It probably still has stink breath from all of the things,

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Speaker 1: It's interesting I say they're not picky, but they are

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, they are. They are picky. They're so they

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Speaker 2: have the they have the diet of like a kindergartener

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Speaker 2: that doesn't want to eat their vegetables. Oh, actually, that's weird.

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Speaker 2: Kindergarteners don't eat dead bodies for the most part.

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Speaker 1: That I mean most of them don't.

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Speaker 2: Most of them don't. Yeah, this is okay, I'm seeing too.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of off subject. But like a two

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Speaker 2: These creatures are so so cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pugnacious in gnarly h They they'll eat anything too,

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Speaker 1: from like eggs to monkeys, deer, and water buffalo alive

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Speaker 1: or dead. They will sometimes like get a huge chunk

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Speaker 1: one true fact about their saliva is that they have

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Speaker 1: a lot of it and it works as a lubricant

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so just more and more like me with everything.

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Speaker 3: You thought.

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Speaker 1: You thought moles were the ones you could relate to

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Speaker 1: you the most, but really it's a handle that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So moles are adorable little ground dwellers. What kind of

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Speaker 1: so adorable. Well, mole saliva is fitomous.

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Speaker 1: So European moles are your sort of classic looking moles.

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Speaker 1: And while it's called the European mole, it's also found

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Speaker 1: They are very in my opinion, they're very cute. They

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Speaker 1: Just like little dots. It's very I find it super cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. But these things are so stinking cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like the uh like on par with

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely absolutely, And there's a definite reason that it

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, similar to like when you drop

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Speaker 1: And then when they're trying to maintain the little sunglasses

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they venture into like cultural appropriation where they start

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to do like what rock have you

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Speaker 1: So their favorite food is earthworms, though they have been

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Speaker 2: And people people get mad about having moles in their yard.

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Speaker 2: But is it just because they make like the little

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Speaker 2: And people got to get over that. I think love

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Speaker 1: You know, absolutely they are very cute. And then this

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Speaker 1: So there's saliva contains a paralytic toxin that can paralyze

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Speaker 1: Their bites can hurt, but they're not going to paralyze

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. It's like instead of having a fridge, you

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So don't still though your advice, your professional

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Speaker 2: opinion is to not kiss a mole on the line.

435
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Speaker 1: I would not kiss a mole on the mouth. I

436
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Speaker 1: would not kiss all right, I would not kiss any

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Speaker 1: wild animal on the mouth. Particularly.

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Speaker 2: Did you see, uh, speaking of that, did you see

439
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: there's an account on Twitter because I refuse to call

440
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: it whatever he's calling it now, wild TikTok screens and

441
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: this this woman basically she tried to give CPR to

442
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: a wild rabbit and then she went to the er

443
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: with some kind of you know, it's it's not toxoplasmas whatever,

444
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: but it was like something it was like some kind

445
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Speaker 2: of wild rabbit induced fever. And now she's like, has

446
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: all these medical bills because she tried to save a

447
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: wild rabbit. Yeah, by putting her mouth on its its face. Yeah,

448
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: and I'm an animal lover. But y'all don't don't do that.

449
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: That is not smart at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't admit CPR to wild animals. Uh please they So,

451
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: zoonosis is a thing. Zoonotic diseases, it is. Uh, diseases

452
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: can jump from other animals to humans. It's rare. But again,

453
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: it's like komodo dragons. Killing a human is rare. If

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Speaker 1: you try to keep a komodo dragon is a pet

455
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: and kiss it on the face, it's much more likely

456
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Speaker 1: to attack you. It's the same thing with zoonotic disease.

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Speaker 1: Notic disease is rare. Giving mouth to mouth french basically

458
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Speaker 1: french kissing a wild rabbit makes it much more likely

459
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Speaker 1: that you're going to catch something from the rabbit. And

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Speaker 1: there I forgot the name of the diseases. But there

461
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Speaker 1: are things you can catch from wild rabbits that are

462
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Speaker 1: life threatening, Like you don't want to get those.

463
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Speaker 2: No, not at all. So I found it and I

464
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Speaker 2: was I was confusing it, so this I found. The

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Speaker 2: Lady's tweet says two nights ago, I gave a wild

466
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Speaker 2: baby rabbit CPR with breaths after I took it from

467
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Speaker 2: my cat. Dear, Today, I'm being admitted to the hospital

468
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Speaker 2: with signs of bunny fever. Oh no, tula remia. I'm

469
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Speaker 2: on eight liters of oxygen, a cocktail of very expensive antibiotics,

470
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Speaker 2: anti diuretics. Need light and love please, Yeah, like I

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Speaker 2: know this. I know this lady's heart was in the

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Speaker 2: right place.

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Speaker 1: Her intentions were pure, but her stem was not ready

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Speaker 1: for the rabbit fever. I mean, like I get it right,

475
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Speaker 1: like you want to. I've had a cat kill a

476
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Speaker 1: baby bunny and it's very sad. Yeah, what you should

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Speaker 1: do in the case of your cat, if your cat's

478
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Speaker 1: like injured the baby bunny to the point where it's

479
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Speaker 1: like it looks like without help it's not gonna make it.

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Speaker 1: You could either contact a wild rehab center or just

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Speaker 1: merciful kill it, I would say, I mean, like that's

482
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Speaker 1: kind of a call you'd have to make in the moment, right,

483
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Speaker 1: Like if it seems like it might be savable again,

484
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Speaker 1: like call a wild rehab center. They'll tell you what

485
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Speaker 1: to do under no circumstances. Do you give mouth to

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Speaker 1: mouth to a wild rabbit or to be safe any

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Speaker 1: wild animal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's just a good general rule of

489
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Speaker 2: thumb to walk around in life with. As far as

490
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Speaker 2: I'm concerned. I've seen people.

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Speaker 1: I've seen people like touching marmots like aka groundhogs or

492
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Speaker 1: prairie dogs and stuff in the wild, and it's like,

493
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Speaker 1: y'all they carry the plague.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, it's very it's very rare.

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Speaker 1: It's very rare. But again, once again, it's like that's

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Speaker 1: how you do get the plague though, Like, so you

497
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Speaker 1: know your chance even if you touch a wild marmot, sure,

498
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Speaker 1: your your chance of getting plague is pretty low. But

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Speaker 1: it's gone up from basically zero to like something something.

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00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything less than zero is bad news.

501
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get the plague. So you know, just I

502
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: would say, don't touch wild animals, even if they are

503
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: cute and adorable. The I guess the exception would be

504
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: you can touch earthwormsh just wash your hands afterwards. I

505
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't kiss them.

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00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't kiss an earthwork. Although people will eat earthworms,

507
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: usually for money as a bet. Yeah, yeah, not not

508
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: really my thing for sure. Now I will so having

509
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: you know, appearing on on your show. Recently, I saved

510
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: three baby squirrels that I think we had some bad

511
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: storms and they came down out of a nest and

512
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: we did bottle feed some baby squirrels and then got that,

513
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: you know, as soon as we could get them to

514
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: the rehab place. We did. But yeah, we took We

515
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: took that advice which is always the best to contact

516
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: your local wildlife rehab. And earlier this year, my puppy

517
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: found a baby possum hanging onto a branch by itself

518
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: in the backyard and we rescued that little guy as

519
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: well took him to the wildlife rehab. So yeah, just

520
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: keep your distance as much as you can. Although you know,

521
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: like we wrapped them up to keep them warm and stuff,

522
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 2: and we had to baby them a little bit. But

523
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to imprint upon them or anything.

524
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: You want to get them to professionals as quickly as possible.

525
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that case, you were not giving them mouth

526
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Speaker 1: to mouth.

527
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Speaker 2: So I did want to kiss them. I didn't want

528
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Speaker 2: to kiss them all on the forehead and tell them

529
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: it would be okay, little bedtime story. Yeah, I wanted.

530
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: I wanted to do that, but because I am a

531
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: grown man, I am an adult, I fought my urge

532
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: and did the responsible thing.

533
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and I think and you still help them

534
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: and got them to where they are the most likely

535
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: to receive professional help. And you know, like it's okay

536
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Speaker 1: if you need to like put a like kind of

537
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: take care of them while you're waiting to deliver them

538
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: to the rehab center, that's totally acceptable as long as

539
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: you're not kissing them giving them mouth to mouth. Personally,

540
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I would like, uh, wear gloves, wash your hands. Gardening

541
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: gloves are good to like prevent any like bites. Yeah,

542
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: there are some animals that you definitely don't want to

543
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: like try to keep to rehab or approach things like bats.

544
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Like if you find a bat on the ground, do

545
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: not touch it, don't pick it up. Uh, that is

546
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: that's absolutely not something you want to want to do

547
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: because like bats who are on the ground are While

548
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Speaker 1: most bats do not carry rabies, ones that you find

549
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: on the ground have are is someone that's sick, so

550
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: that you're the chance that that one has rabies is

551
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Speaker 1: more than like the general population because they typically don't

552
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: hang out on the ground. Uh, and so the one

553
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: anyone that you find on the ground, just don't don't

554
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: pick up. Don't pick up a bat unless you're a

555
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: special bat.

556
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: And don't uh don't clean up bat poop either unless

557
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: you have like like serious ppe. Yes, that's that. That

558
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: stuff is full of all sorts of toxic.

559
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: Stuff mouse poop too, like dried mouse poop, and especially

560
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: in certain locations. Like that's how you get what's that

561
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: mouse disease? I forgot what it's called mouse disease, mouse

562
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: poop disease. I don't think it's called mouse poop disease.

563
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: It's called something else.

564
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: It should just be called mouse poop.

565
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: Mouse mouse poop itis, mouse poop disease. It is a hantavirus,

566
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: that's what it's called. Okay, ok yeah, I just think

567
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: of that that remember House m D. I think of

568
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Speaker 1: that meme of House like going like we're gonna use

569
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Speaker 1: mouse poop as medicine.

570
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: Wait, is that a real That's not a real line.

571
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Speaker 1: That's not a real line. It's just okay, it's just

572
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: making fun of the show. Because House it always come

573
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: up with some kind of like and like very like

574
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: weird treatment or like his methods were unorthodox, but then

575
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: they always worked out. And in this case, it's like

576
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: we have to use mouse Poops's medicine.

577
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. It's like Magiver doesn't exactly work for

578
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: the medical field. Yeahs, as much as these shows would

579
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: have you believe. Yeah, like maybe every once in a

580
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: while you can, like you know, Apollo thirteen somebody's medical

581
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: case where you like use unorthodox methods, but for the

582
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Speaker 2: most part it does not. The field I don't think

583
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: works quite like.

584
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: No, I've talked to doctors and like they say that

585
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: Scrubs was the most accurate medical show of all.

586
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny.

587
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, it was like the portrayed the medical

588
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: world like the most accurately, both scientific and in terms

589
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: of vibes, which I thought, I think is kind of interesting.

590
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's what I've heard about, like Veep when

591
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: it comes to actual politics and the stupid stuff that

592
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: goes on behind the scenes, I've heard Veep is like

593
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: far more accurate than the West Wing or any of

594
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 2: these other prestige shows to deal with politics.

595
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: Because life is life is ridiculous and silly.

596
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly well, we're.

597
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: Going to take a quick break and when we get back,

598
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Speaker 1: we're going to find out if worms can be our savior.

599
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: So we are going to talk about wax worms saliva,

600
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: which is a magical manna from heaven.

601
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Speaker 2: So wow, so you've already You've already asked if worms

602
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: can be our savior, and now you're talking about heaven.

603
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: I feel like this is about to get like a

604
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: you know, a very religion heavy segment if involving Jesus worms.

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00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm not a Christian, but question for Christians, if Jesus

606
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: was a worm, would you still love him?

607
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: The age old question, you know, if Jesus was a worm. Yeah,

608
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: if Jesus looked at you and said, hey if I

609
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: was if I was a worm, would you still love me?

610
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: What would your answer be? And if it's if it's

611
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't accept him into your heart as your savior,

612
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: then you need to do some soul searching.

613
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: There has to be a Bible verse that is essentially that, right,

614
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: like a Bible verse where he's like if I come

615
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: to you as a beggar or something like that, but

616
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, if I come to you as a worm,

617
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: wouldst thou not still love.

618
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: Me, oh man, which is why the Internet is our

619
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: modern gospel. Yeah, you know, because it's asking all the

620
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: same philosophical questions as any of the old sacred religious texts.

621
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: Humanity is on a loop, just with like better technology.

622
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: That's what I'm convinced.

623
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: I'm as a flat circle, absolutely.

624
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Speaker 1: So. Waxworms are the larval form of wax moths. They

625
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: are relatively uninteresting looking. They're kind of gross. They're like

626
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: your typical grub. They're white, kind of squiggly looking grub. Yep,

627
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: they are, And wax moths are pretty kind of like

628
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: drab looking moth. They're kind of tattered and ratty looking.

629
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: They're neither of these forms. They don't really have a

630
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: glow up or a glowdown. There's no glow about these things.

631
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: They're just kind of eugh.

632
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, they're they're pretty drab looking.

633
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. They sadly they they sadly do not have the

634
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: riz I would say of uh, but despite their appearance,

635
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: they are actually quite interesting. So the larval forms the

636
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: waxworms are actually parasites of hive making bees. Like honey bees.

637
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: They will in bee colonies and eat their pollen, the cocoons,

638
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: and interestingly, they can even eat bees wax. So that

639
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: is why they're called waxworms because they can eat bees wax.

640
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's cool. So not not because they look

641
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: like they're made out of wax, but because they can

642
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: eat stuff that Have you ever tried you've munched on

643
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: beeswax before?

644
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: Yes?

645
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Anything that could I could put in my mouth I have.

646
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put that out there.

647
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 2: Well, that's good to know. Uh yeah, okay, so they's

648
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: that's interesting. I would never in a million years have

649
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: figured out that's why they called that the waxworm.

650
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you ever tried to eat wax lips?

651
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Yes?

652
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

653
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: Or the the wax like soda bottles.

654
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or like the wax covering cheese.

655
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: Yes, the outside rind, or like wax from your ears.

656
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: Ah yes, well just just kidding.

657
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: God, I made myself gag saying that. I'm sorry. Dude.

658
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: I had a cat who was obsessed with earwax. He

659
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: would like, go like go after my ear plugs after

660
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: using them, and I it wasn't like it wasn't like

661
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: disgusting because I keep my ears pretty clean because I

662
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: can't really stand wax. But like, my cat was like

663
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: obsessed with ear plugs and I think it was like

664
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: that nasty, stinky ear smell. Apparently there's some kind of

665
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: like fatty acid in ear wax that attracts some weird cats.

666
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: Anyways, after such demonic little goblins grimlins, there's they're the

667
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: best and the worst at the.

668
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: Same Yeah, not even my dog has ever been as

669
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: gross as that cat was. So the worms themselves, despite

670
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: eating wax, because they convert the wax into sugars and proteins.

671
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: The worms themselves are by a variety of animals, including humans.

672
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: So these are an edible worm.

673
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: Okay, ok, yeah, I think I've seen like clips of

674
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: fear factor with waxworms.

675
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: That would make sense. Yeah, I think typically they're cooked,

676
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: but I believe you can eat them raw as well.

677
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't pick up any random looking worm

678
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: and put it in your mouth. But yeah, so these

679
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: worms are are used as food. So the due to

680
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: their wax eating habits, their saliva is actually really really

681
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: interesting and unique. So their saliva is loaded with enzymes

682
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: that can break down wax, and researchers have found that

683
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: these same enzymes can also break down plastics. So waxworm

684
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: saliva breaks down polyethylene, which is a plastic used for

685
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 1: disposable bags for packing materials. So it's a big kind

686
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: of problem, right because we use a lot of plastic bags,

687
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: a lot of packing materials and then just throw them out,

688
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: and it's not something that typically can just decay naturally

689
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: over short periods of times. It does break down eventually,

690
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: but it takes a really long time. So the waxworm

691
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: saliva can actually break down this plastic at room temperature

692
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: within two hours, So it starts to break it down

693
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: within two hours. That doesn't mean they can like neutralize

694
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: an entire plastic bag in two hours. It's just the

695
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: saliva starts to go to work and breaks down the

696
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: polyethylene within two hours, which is actually really interesting and

697
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: somewhat promising because it may be able to help in

698
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: the biodegradation of this particular plastic.

699
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: So, wow, that's trippy. That's so so would the so

700
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: if you put like something plastic in a bin full

701
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: of these things, would they attempt to eat it? Or

702
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: is it just something that scientists have like isolated, Like

703
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: have they isolated the saliva and just applied it to plastics?

704
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: To see what would happen.

705
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting because I think that they

706
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: would if it has no other food, it would actually

707
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: attempt to eat it. And the way they actually discovered

708
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: this is I think there was a researcher who had

709
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: some waxworms. I'm trying to remember why she had them,

710
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: just as a hobby, maybe right, and she was she

711
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: might have removed them from like her beehive or something,

712
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: and she was putting them in a plastic bag and

713
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: she noticed the plastic bag actually started to break down

714
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: after she put them inside there. So I think I

715
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: don't know that they would get much nutrition from the plastic,

716
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: but if you put no other food in there, I

717
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: believe they would try to eat the plastic bag. It's

718
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: probably not great for them.

719
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, probably not.

720
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: But so you know, one would think like, well, we

721
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: can just throw a bunch of these worms in landfills

722
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: and problem solved. The problem is that to have enough

723
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: of these worms to break down all of the plastics

724
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: that we have represents an incredible amount of worm biomass.

725
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: So biomass is also something that can produce carbon dioxide,

726
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: so we kind of need It's not like we can

727
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: still just like waste as much plastic as we want,

728
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: that's not true. But potentially, either through the worms or

729
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: through isolating their saliva, there is some hope that this

730
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: might help us with the waste that we already have

731
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: and future waste in terms of breaking it down and

732
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: increasing the rate of the biodegradation. So I think it's promising,

733
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: but it's not the answer to the question. Can we

734
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: just throw worms on the problem and expect it to

735
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: go away? Is like not really, but if we work

736
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: with the worms, we may find a solution.

737
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I was just thinking, like, also, worms

738
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: turn into moths, so that like I'm just thinking like

739
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: if you did try to increase the biomass of worms

740
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: around like a landfill or something, would that increase? Like, well,

741
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm just imagining the domino effect of the ecosystem around there,

742
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: like these these moths moth population exploding. Do the wax

743
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: moths then, you know, take food supply from other species,

744
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: Do what's feeding on the wax moths? Yeah, it would

745
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: Like definitely, I love the potential that there is here,

746
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: but it offers a lot of kind of questions that

747
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: create a conundrum as far as the domino effect goes.

748
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that is exactly the right question to ask.

749
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: That is a question that should have been asked by

750
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: the people who introduce the cane toad to Australia tea.

751
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, eat.

752
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: Sugar cane bugs. It should have been the question asked

753
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: by people who introduce mongooses to countless islands to eat snakes. Yeah,

754
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, that is that is absolutely the right question

755
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: to ask. Like, how would introducing a huge amount of

756
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: waxworms to say, like a landfill or something affect the

757
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: local ecology? And you know, like potentially if you have

758
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of these saying like a laboratory setting, you

759
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: can control that by not just like releasing them out

760
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: into the wild. But yeah, it's it's these are the

761
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: considerations that we have to make when it's like, well,

762
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: we found this cool property of this animal. Can we

763
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: just make a whole bunch of these animals and throw

764
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: them out, let them do what they will. It is

765
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: very difficult for us to know and predict exactly what

766
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: impacts that has. And like you said, it's a domino effect.

767
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: It's like trying to remove one piece of a Djenga

768
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: tower and you might not realize that that was the

769
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: load bearing Jenga piece. Ah, so yeah exactly, but it's

770
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, they're still pretty cool and hopefully we can

771
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: figure out how to use them to help us without

772
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: accidentally creating like a monster that eats all the plastic

773
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: in the world. Actually, I guess that wouldn't be so bad, you.

774
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, just one one giant monster that ate all

775
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: the plastic in the world. Like you just have to

776
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: keep that one creature in check. Yeah, you know, I

777
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: feel like we could come together as a planet maybe.

778
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: For that Godzilla.

779
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess it.

780
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: Like a math mathra was right there, but I didn't

781
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: go for it.

782
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yep, yep, like giant Mathra. Yeah, giant waxworm mathra.

783
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: That's so. This is like this always reminds me or

784
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: kind of like recenters, the notion that everything, no matter

785
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: how synthetic, originates as organic matter. Yes, and and same

786
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: thing with with plastics. Like I look at like a

787
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: plastic hanger beside me, and I think, well, that's completely

788
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: man made and synthetic. But when you break down the

789
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 2: components and you go back far enough, it it all

790
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: comes out of the ground essentially.

791
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

792
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: It always, it always does. So no matter, like even

793
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: though waxworms didn't evolve to eat plastic, their ability to

794
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: find the organic molecule in the plastics is just is

795
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: so trippy to think about. And it's similar to like

796
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: the I remember hearing about bacteria in the ocean that

797
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: was capable of eating like oil spills, crude oil spills

798
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: and basically pollution from you know, our terrible treatment of

799
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: our waters. And how how just trippy that is that

800
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 2: It's like, no, everything eventually is going to break down

801
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: because it started broken down. We just put it all

802
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: together with science and it will return eventually eventually.

803
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is how long the eventually? Yeah yeah,

804
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, Like bacteria are very similar in that

805
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: they can, you know, help break down things that seem

806
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: toxic or inable to any living creature. But yeah, I

807
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: mean you have the same problems as like throwing worms

808
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: on the problem which is like bacteria of course create byproducts.

809
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: It could be better than an oil spill, but it

810
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: could also have unpredictable effects. So it's it's a useful thing.

811
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: It's it's something that is promising, but it's also like

812
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't think we can just be like, well, we

813
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: can spill oil everywhere, use plastic eyes all the time,

814
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: and it'll be fine. It's still better, and.

815
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: Inevitably that will be the lesson that we take from it.

816
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: But it shouldn't be. But yes, we we we love

817
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: coming up with solutions and going well, that solved that.

818
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: I guess we can. We can keep keep on keeping on,

819
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: you know. It's it's just we always, without fail take

820
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: the wrong lessons from whatever advancements we make.

821
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, yeah, Unfortunately, I think there's hope

822
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: for the future though. The kids are all right. Maybe

823
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: they'll they are they are, Maybe they'll figure finally figure

824
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: out not to throw more worms on the problem. But

825
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: we'll see.

826
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: It does sound fun, though, Throwing worms on your problems

827
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: sounds like kind of a blast, you know what. You

828
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: know what that sounds like. It just sounds like taking

829
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: up fishing. It sounds like it sounds like, you know, you're, you're,

830
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: you know what. I'm in a kind of a rut

831
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: right now. I'm gonna go fishing. Uh And that's like

832
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: the most like you know, old man boomer humor type

833
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: of thing. But uh, you know, just hang a sign

834
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: up on your door that says gone fishing. Uh, and

835
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: go sit by a lake and throw worms on your problems.

836
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I'd take a Dale Gribble approach and

837
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: just have some pocket worms that I throw on someone

838
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: that I don't want to talk to you anymore.

839
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's even better.

840
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: They would be distracted.

841
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: That I would be uh, rendered speechless, I can honestly admit,

842
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: and that rarely happens to me.

843
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: Honestly, I feel like it's a good technique. Well it

844
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: is right before we go, Well, do you want to

845
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: play a little game?

846
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: Sure? Love to.

847
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: This is called Guess Who's squawk and the Mystery Animal

848
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: Sound Game. Every week I play a mystery animal sound

849
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: and you the listener, and.

850
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 3: You the guests, try to guess who is.

851
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: Making that sound. So last week's mystery animal sound hint

852
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: was this. I hope it doesn't have a sore throat.

853
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: That be a doozy.

854
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Can you guess who is making that sound? M?

855
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: I want to say a giraffe.

856
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: You are absolutely correct, as well as listeners Asher P,

857
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: Emily M, and Joey P. Congratulations, you are right. It

858
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: is a giraffe. So, giraffes aren't known for being particularly vocal,

859
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: but they do make some sounds like they're grunting that

860
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: you just heard There's sounds are somewhat mysterious to behavioral

861
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: researchers and haven't been absolutely determined yet, like whether they're

862
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: a form of communication and if so, what exactly they're communicating,

863
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: But current research suggests that snorting and hissing may have

864
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Speaker 1: something to do with defensiveness. Aside from snorts and grunts,

865
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Speaker 1: giraffes seem to hum at night, and the exact purpose

866
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: of this low frequency humming is unknown, but it's thought

867
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Speaker 1: that it could potentially be a form of communication. Giraffe

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00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: social life is fission fusion, which means that group composition

869
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: can change fluidly over time. It's like in high school

870
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Speaker 1: if you just have groups of friends that change throughout

871
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: the semester. Giraffes are like that, they're fair weather friends.

872
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they I mean, you get like a new hot

873
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: giraffe that shows up, and everybody wants to be the

874
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: hot giraffe friend, and you kind of leave your less

875
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 2: hot you know, giraffe friends behind, and this is it's messy.

876
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: It's it's a whole whole messy thing.

877
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: Just because Giraffica got her braces off and now she

878
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: looks super hot every once in a while.

879
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: Exactly, friend, exactly.

880
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: So annoying it is, it is.

881
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: Have you ever have you ever handfed giraffes before?

882
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: I have not. I'd love to, though that sounds thrilling.

883
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: It It is the trippiest you think you it's it's

884
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 2: one of those animals where you picture in your head

885
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: and you think you know what it looks like, and

886
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: then you're face to face with one and you're like,

887
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the wildest looking creature I've

888
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. Like it is. It's it's

889
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: just one of those animals. It's like a zebra or

890
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: an elephant or a rhino. You you you grow up

891
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: with these these animals, you know, like toys of them

892
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: or cartoons and stuff, and then you see one in

893
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: person there Their heads are so massive. Yes, I've mentioned

894
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: it before being on here. We have the Ashburo Zoo

895
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: here in North Carolina. Incredible, incredible place and you can

896
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: walk up onto the platform and for like three dollars

897
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: feed it like heads of lettuce and carrots and stuff,

898
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: and it is the coolest experience. I highly recommend that

899
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 2: to anybody who happens to be traveling through North Carolina

900
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Speaker 2: stop at the Ashborough Zoo and feed the giraffes.

901
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: I think I'd be intimidated. I'm already intimidated by horses.

902
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: I greatly respect horses because they're so large, and I

903
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: think that we sure we just we don't get stomped

904
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: up by them, just through their merciful nature.

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00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

906
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: So I feel like if I saw a giraffe, I

907
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: would just like bow in front of them and be like,

908
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: please spare me, sir.

909
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 2: Even if you don't hand feed them, you have to

910
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: just walk up on the platform and just because there,

911
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: their heads are just like level with you, so you

912
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: can't really like get in where you're standing or anything.

913
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: But their tongues are so long and so massive. It

914
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: is the trippiest looking thing you've ever seen.

915
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: They can strangle you with their tongues, yes.

916
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: Just about, just about seriously.

917
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: Because they're merciful that they don't.

918
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: It's true. It's true.

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00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: It's strong tongues too, because they use them to like

920
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: rip off leaves off of trees.

921
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, yep, they rip whole branches down.

922
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: I feel like we've got we are so lucky that

923
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: they're herbivores so lucky.

924
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: Seriously.

925
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: Also, speaking of giraffes and zoos, a baby giraffe with

926
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: no spots was born at a Tennessee zoo. So it's

927
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: like entirely brown. It's very cute. It's like kind of

928
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: awesome looking because we just tape for granted that girafts

929
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: are spotty, and this one has a unique mutation where

930
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: it does not have spots, so it.

931
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: Is that's so cool.

932
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: It's just very cool looking. I mean, it's like usually

933
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: we wouldn't think of it as being like something that's

934
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: just a solid color as being cool, but like when

935
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: you see it and you're expecting something else from a giraffe,

936
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: it's just it's very cool.

937
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has. Are there cases of like zebras being

938
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: born without their stripes?

939
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

940
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely?

941
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: Oh well that's trippy about yeah, huh, I have to

942
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: I have to look this up now. Oh my god.

943
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: Oh, that is the.

944
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: Cutest thing I've ever seen. Like, giraffes are already adorable.

945
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: That is so cute. Okay, Katie, Yes, do giraffes have

946
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: poisonous saliva or venomous saliva?

947
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of, So.

948
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: I can't have this one as a pet. I can't

949
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: have a giraffe as a pet, is what you're saying,

950
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: You're like publicly endorsed.

951
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: That's absolutely what I'm publicly endorsing pets for. Sweet sure,

952
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: don't do it.

953
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: This is the cutest thing in the worldld oh Man,

954
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: so trippy looking. I can't. It's like it's like when

955
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: you grow up in your town and you're bored by

956
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: everything and you hate it, and then you like go

957
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: out into the world and then you come back to

958
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: your town and you realize, like, oh, as an adult,

959
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: this is like such a cool place to live.

960
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: You know.

961
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: It's like you like grow in appreciations, like growing up

962
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: at the beach, you know, Yeah, and you take the

963
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: ocean for granted, and then you move away from it

964
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: and then you miss it all the time, and then

965
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: you come back and you kind of rediscover things. That's

966
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: kind of how it is with these large animals that

967
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, like the rhino or the elephant or

968
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: zebra and you know, tiger, lions all that stuff, Like

969
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: when you just like examine one with like a fresh perspective. Yeah,

970
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: it's like, how do these things actually exist? This is

971
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: the trippiest thing I think.

972
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: It's because like, without the spots, it messes with our

973
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: pattern recognition and our brain right where expecting a giraffe

974
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: to have spots and so and we've seen so many

975
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: giraffes just through you know, picture books whatever that we are.

976
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: We aren't wowed by a giraffe. Maybe in person we are,

977
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: but just seeing it in a book, it's like, Okay,

978
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: that's a giraffe, just seeing a picture of it, but

979
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: like when it doesn't have the spots, it's like, oh,

980
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: it's neck is super long. Like I really hope this

981
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: one is healthy and makes it to adulthood because I

982
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: think seeing an all tan fully grown giraffe will really

983
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: just kind of because it's because it's not falling into

984
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: your brain's archetype of what a giraffe is. It's just

985
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: gonna be very startling to see, like, well, this animal

986
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: is actually really huge, Like this is actually a gigantic animal.

987
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: So that's very exciting. All right, onto this week's mystery animal.

988
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: Sound the hint, you'd better not step over the line

989
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: with this grounded animal. All right, do you have any

990
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: guesses for what this animal is?

991
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: Huh?

992
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with a bird of some sort but

993
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: I am so bad at bird calls. My wife has

994
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: gotten so good listening to the birds in our backyard.

995
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: She knows them, she knows all of their songs.

996
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: By now, Oh, you want to call your wife in here,

997
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: I will.

998
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: Not use a lifeline. I wouldn't even know. I'm gonna

999
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: go with my favorite bird, the tufted tit mouse.

1000
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: Oh cute. Well, we'll find out next time whether you

1001
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: are correct on the next episode of Creature Feature Well,

1002
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. Where can people

1003
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: find you?

1004
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me again, Katie anytime.

1005
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter still at the Wopple House.

1006
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: Had to which accounts since last time, dude to some

1007
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 2: very stupid reasons. I won't get into but at the

1008
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: Wopple House. And you can find me on George Center.

1009
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: That's at George Center Pod. Yeah, I'm on Blue Sky

1010
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: now as well at Wopple House, and George Center's on

1011
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: there as well, and get it wherever you get podcasts.

1012
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening. If you think

1013
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: you know who's squawking on this episode, or you've got

1014
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: any questions, you can write to me at Creature Feature

1015
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: Pod at gmail dot com. I've also finally given in

1016
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: and I have a TikTok. It is Katie Golden. That's

1017
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: k A t I E g O L d I

1018
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: N one word, and I'm posting animal content on that

1019
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: and it's a brand new account. I'm just a little baby.

1020
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little baby on TikTok. I don't know what

1021
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Be nice to me. I guess.

1022
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: So are you, Katie? Not to interrupt you, are you

1023
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: going to be doing TikTok dances of animals from the

1024
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: Animal Kingdom?

1025
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: Oh, now that you've said it, I have to do it.

1026
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 3: I hate that.

1027
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: I hate that I have to do.

1028
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: That, Like rituals of like birds and stuff, you have to.

1029
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: I guess I got it. I guess I gotta do

1030
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: that now.

1031
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: Thanks, I'm sorry. Thanks a lot your whole experience.

1032
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: Now I have to do that. But yeah, I'm giving

1033
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: out animal facts and also playing the Mystery Animal sound

1034
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: game on on the TikTok. So we've got we've got

1035
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: even more opportunities for you to guess animal sounds. So

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Speaker 1: check that out again. It's k A t I E

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Speaker 1: G O L D I N on TikTok, And thank

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Speaker 1: you guys, so much for listening, and thanks to the

1039
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Speaker 1: Space Cossics for their super awesome song XO. Lumina Creature

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Speaker 1: features a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts like the

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1042
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Speaker 1: or Hey guess what where you listen to your favorite shows?

1043
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Speaker 1: I don't care, do what you want? Your mother? See

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Speaker 1: you next Wednesday

1045
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Speaker 2: Mhm.