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Speaker 4: It, sir.

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Speaker 5: YouTube will start guessing your age based on the types

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Speaker 5: of videos the user searches for and the categories of

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Speaker 5: videos they watch. For example, I watch restorations of World

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Speaker 5: War One, cigarette lighters and videos about knee pain, and

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Speaker 5: that's why YouTube correctly guessed my age of two hundred

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Speaker 5: and forty five.

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Speaker 6: So, honest to God, there needs to be some sort

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Speaker 6: of algorithm reset button that you can do.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: I shouldn't be afraid to search on things and think

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Speaker 6: I'd like to look that up, but then I'll end

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Speaker 6: up with nothing but that for the next six months.

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Speaker 4: So I don't look up some things like I had a.

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Speaker 6: Brief like week where I enjoyed those videos where they

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Speaker 6: have babies, like they have the audio from Trump, but

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Speaker 6: it's a baby Trump or whatever.

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed that for a couple of days.

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Speaker 6: But you know, Instagram or YouTube or whoever thought, well,

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Speaker 6: this is the only thing he likes in the world.

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Speaker 4: He likes it better than air, and so that's the

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Speaker 4: only thing I get fed. How do you turn that off? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: just give it time.

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Speaker 6: I remember I needed to look up something about the

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Speaker 6: OJ triud then endless OJA videos.

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Speaker 4: I got one I need. I don't need.

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Speaker 6: I don't need to OJ videos when I wake up

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Speaker 6: in the morning and click on YouTube. I don't need

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Speaker 6: fifteen different OJ videos.

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Speaker 3: Attack is going in the opposite direction. They are utterly convinced,

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Speaker 3: knowing you everything about.

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Speaker 6: I agree, but they're but you need But surely, but

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Speaker 6: surely they realize they're wrong about this.

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Speaker 4: So there's got to be a way to fix that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they.

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Speaker 6: Would differentiate between things that actually are your passion, because

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Speaker 6: you can send me pretty much endless I don't know

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Speaker 6: guitar stuff, but OJ talking babies or you know, I

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Speaker 6: look up a review of a bicycle, then I buy

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Speaker 4: I don't need any more bicycle videos for the rest

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Speaker 4: of my life.

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Speaker 6: Right, There's got to be a way to believe, to

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Speaker 6: clear out your algorithms. It'd be cool if you could

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Speaker 6: go to a page and it lists all of your

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Speaker 6: things that it thinks you're into, and you could click

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Speaker 6: the boxes and say, I am into these, I'm not

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Speaker 6: into these anymore, or score.

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Speaker 3: It one to five. You know, yeah, yeah, they'll probably

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Speaker 3: get that right at some point. But again, the trend

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Speaker 3: is toward more knowledge of you, which will be hacked

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Speaker 3: thank you, and you always say there's no stopping it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not worried about society. I'm worried about me and

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Speaker 3: the people I care about. That you do not have

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Speaker 3: to go along with what Silicon Valley thinks your life

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Speaker 4: Like I'm going to start a religion. It's not going

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to start a religion our only principle,

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Speaker 3: and you can have your other religion too.

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 3: Is going to be sync for yourself. Don't just buy

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Speaker 6: Joe starting a religion is Missianic complex finally gets on

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Speaker 3: Like, and I will be permitted to have at least

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Speaker 6: I clicked on one of the Sydney Sweeney videos for

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Speaker 6: I'm not, and I don't need endless young hot women.

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Speaker 4: There are foxes watching the henhouses.

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Speaker 3: Of education, we've figured that out, and indoctrinating our children

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Speaker 4: Keep it up, y'all, you're doing great.

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Speaker 3: Got to get on those school boards and become part

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Speaker 3: of your local education scene. So the communists don't control

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Speaker 3: all of it libraries are the same thing. And I

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Speaker 3: remember hearing this a long time ago. Somebody was talking

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Speaker 3: I remember seeing a poll that like, the library science

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Speaker 3: And I remember thinking at the time, boy, that's weird,

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Speaker 4: How many graduates are there in that Well.

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Speaker 6: If they decide what books go in the library, that's

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Speaker 6: a pretty big deal, exactly.

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Speaker 3: I was an idiot, an idiot for what I thought,

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Speaker 3: The Philadelphia Public Libraries have hosted and are going to

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Speaker 3: host another one this weekend anti Israel storytime events that

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Speaker 3: teach children that Israel senselessly murdered thousands.

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Speaker 3: That's a quote, depict a map in which which Israel

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Speaker 3: is entirely replaced with Palestine, and create art projects for

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Speaker 3: the little kids to do promoting the Palestinian Liberation movement

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Speaker 3: in the public library, in the public libraries in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: That's correct. Here's the library. Isn't that the Philadelphia Public Library.

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Speaker 6: That's where Rocky climbs to the top of the steps

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Speaker 3: Well, he'd have gotten beaten down by a bunch of

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Speaker 3: storytime events on the website features and advertisement alongside of

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Speaker 3: we are coming, a slogan Hamas and Hesbela used to

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Speaker 3: call for the destruction of the Jewish state. The library

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Speaker 3: advertises the event again for I think this Saturday, as

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Speaker 6: I gave up on the library quite a few years ago,

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Speaker 6: my local library because it became a holmost camp. That

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Speaker 6: in there, just there. It was just full of homeless

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Too dangerous at my public library.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, man, I could read you more of what

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Speaker 3: they're trying to teach the children about the Israeli Hamas conflict,

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Speaker 3: but it is unfreaking believable. So getting to Jack's point,

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Speaker 3: I thought this was so interesting. Zach Bissinett wrote this

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Speaker 3: piece for the Free Press, the death of the public library.

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Speaker 3: And it's not because people are reading less, or because

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Speaker 3: of the Internet or anything like that. It's because of

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Speaker 3: the bums and junkies all over the country. Sure, And

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Speaker 3: he describes his local library and how it's unusable now.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and if you take little kids.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about the big in Sacramento, their downtown library.

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Speaker 4: I haven't been there in decades. I used to go

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Speaker 6: I was there every week checking out audiobooks or books

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Speaker 6: I doubt it, as I would take kids there right right.

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Speaker 3: Well, and there's a twist to the story coming up

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Speaker 3: in a second, But he hit some stats over the country.

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Speaker 3: All over the country, libraries are seeing fewer visitors and

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Speaker 3: more problems per Resident visits to public libraries fell by

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Speaker 3: fifty seven percent in the ten years ending in twenty

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Speaker 4: I don't know does anybody else have.

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Speaker 3: Cherished memories of going to the library as kid, bringing

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Speaker 6: I'd go with my mom in our town, and I

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Speaker 4: Absolutely loved our local library as a kid. It was

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Speaker 4: like the world's greatest toy store for me. All these

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Speaker 3: So fifty seven percent decline in ten years. Meanwhile, a

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Speaker 3: report from the Urban Libraries Council found that between twenty

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Speaker 3: up incidents are down. It's all about drug addicts, junkies, freaks, weirdos, etc.

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Speaker 4: Using the library as a home.

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Speaker 3: So here's the twist, as Zach Wright, if there are

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Speaker 3: they're librarian trainers, Ryan Dowd and Steve Albrecht. They're friends,

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Speaker 3: but their approaches are different. Dowd, who once ran a

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Speaker 3: book Quote The Librarian's Guide to Homelessness, an empathy driven

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Speaker 6: Where in the charter of libraries did it have anything

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Speaker 3: He told me he originally wanted to title the book

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Speaker 3: how to Run Your Library Like a Homeless Shelter. When

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Speaker 3: I asked if he was joking, he said he wasn't,

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Speaker 3: At least he wasn't sure he was. He has given

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Speaker 3: seminars for roughly half of the nation's librarians, including most

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Speaker 6: So my guests would be He believes the downtrauden need

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Speaker 4: Well, and it's not even about the books.

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Speaker 3: It's about it's a place for bombs and junkies to

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Speaker 3: And again, keep in mind, this guy is like a

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Speaker 3: super heavyweight in American library nuts. His essential belief is

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Speaker 3: that not only do the homeless have every right to

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Speaker 3: believes librarians should be trained to dispense narcan. One of

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Speaker 3: his seminars is called Jerks with Holmes, How to deal

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Speaker 4: See that's a.

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Speaker 6: Guy who believes that. Say, he's not just a Marxist

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Speaker 6: and it's our job to at the library help them.

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Speaker 3: His scripts for addressing problematic behaviors include examples like in

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Speaker 4: What happens to identity formation?

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Speaker 3: We asked, have you ever pretended to hold more progressive

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Speaker 3: views than you truly endorse to succeed socially or academically?

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Speaker 4: You want to know what percentage said? Yes?

447
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Speaker 3: Eighty eight percent. Eighty eight percent said they pretended to

448
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: hold more progressive views than they truly endorse to succeed

449
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: socially or academically. These students were not cynical but adaptive.

450
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Speaker 3: In a campus environment where grades, leadership and peer belonging

451
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Speaker 3: often hinge on fluency in performative morality, young adults quickly

452
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: learn to rehearse what is safe. The result is not

453
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Speaker 3: conviction or beliefs, but compliance, and beneath that compliance, something

454
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Speaker 3: vital is lost. Quoting now from the authors, Late adolescents

455
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Speaker 3: in early adulthood represent a narrow and non replicable develop

456
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Speaker 3: mental window. It's during this stage that individuals begin the

457
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Speaker 3: lifelong work of integrating personal experiences with inherited values, forming

458
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Speaker 3: the foundations of moral reasoning, internal coherence, and emotional resilience.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, emotional resilience toughness. When belief is prescriptive,

460
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Speaker 3: meaning you're told what to believe, an ideological divergence or

461
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Speaker 3: disagreement is treated as social risk. That integrative process stalls,

462
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Speaker 3: rather than forging a durable sense of self. Through trial,

463
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Speaker 3: error and reflection, students learn to compartmentalize publicly they can

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Speaker 3: form privately. They question often in isolation. Oh but remember

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Speaker 3: what we were just talking about. With a preference falsification

466
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Speaker 3: and preference cascade, they only think they're in isolation.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess they are in isolation.

468
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Speaker 3: But sows everybody around them thinking the same things. So

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Speaker 3: insis this split between outer presentation and inner conviction not

470
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Speaker 3: only fragments identity, but arrests its development, and the dissonance.

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Speaker 4: Shows up everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Seventy eight percent of the students told us they self

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Speaker 3: censor on their beliefs surrounding gender identity. Seventy eight percent

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Speaker 3: believe all that gender pending madness is madness, but they

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Speaker 3: got to be quiet. Seventy two percent do that on

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Speaker 3: politics in general. Sixty eight percent on family values. I mean,

477
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Speaker 3: that's a lot smaller number than the seventy eight percent

478
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Speaker 3: that are they're soft pedaling their views on gender bending madness,

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Speaker 3: But sixty eight percent on just general family values are

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Speaker 3: soft pedaling their views. Our college students are so much

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Speaker 3: more conservative insane than you think they are, partly because

482
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Speaker 3: who gets amplified and applauded and publicized the radical lefty

483
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Speaker 3: lunatic front. The normy kids just they they're afraid, so

484
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: they're quiet, and they certainly don't make any noise, and

485
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Speaker 3: if they do, they're punished or ignored anyway. More than

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Speaker 3: eighty percent so they had submitted class work that misrepresented

487
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Speaker 3: their views in order to align with professors. For many,

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Speaker 3: this has become second nature, an instinct for academic and

489
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Speaker 3: professional self preservation.

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Speaker 4: Listen. Maybe it was because I was clueless or.

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Speaker 3: Stubborn or something as a youngster, But when I was

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Speaker 3: in school and I was in a political science, economics,

493
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Speaker 3: pre law program that had lots and lots and lots

494
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Speaker 3: of the sort of stuff we're talking about in it,

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Speaker 3: I never once misrepresented my view in order to align

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Speaker 3: with a professor. Maybe I didn't have of you at

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Speaker 3: that point, but that's terrible. To test the gap between

498
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Speaker 3: expression and belief. We use gender discourse a contentious topic,

499
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Speaker 3: both highly visible and ideological, ideologically loaded, right the authors

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Speaker 3: In public, students were echoed I'm sorry. In public, students

501
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: echoed expective progressive narratives. In private, however, their views were

502
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 3: more complex. Eighty seven percent identified as exclusively heterosexual eighty

503
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: seven percent and supported a binary model of gender. There's

504
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Speaker 3: men and there's women, period. That's eighty seven percent. Nine

505
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: percent expressed partial openness to gender fluidity. Seven percent embraced

506
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: the idea of gender as a broad spectrum, and most

507
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: of these belong to activist circles. Practically nobody believed there's

508
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Speaker 3: fifty eight genders and you get to choose what you

509
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Speaker 3: are Practically nobody seven percent. How different is this from

510
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Speaker 3: the perception we've all formed of what college kids actually

511
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Speaker 3: think because they've been psychologically battered into conformity. I am

512
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Speaker 3: not a violent man, but I swear to God, I'd

513
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Speaker 3: like to take a bulldozer to a lot of our

514
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Speaker 3: college campuses metaphorically, of course.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps most telling.

516
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Speaker 3: Seventy seven percent, and these are college kids, said they

517
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Speaker 3: disagreed with the idea that gender identity should override biological

518
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Speaker 3: sex in domains such as sports, healthcare, or public data,

519
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: but would never voice that disagreement allowed, So of the

520
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Speaker 3: eighty seven percent that say, no, there's dudes and there's gals,

521
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Speaker 3: that's it eighty seven percent. All but ten percent of

522
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Speaker 3: those said I would never say that out loud. Holy crap.

523
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Speaker 3: These poor kids are bullied. It's Stockholm syndrome. They're terrified

524
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Speaker 3: to speak their mond ii karamba. Thirty eight percent described

525
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: themselves as morally confused, uncertain whether honesty was still ethical

526
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: if it meant exclusion, whatever that means. Authenticity, once considered

527
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: a good thing for all of us, psychologically has become

528
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: a social liability, and this fragmentation does not end at

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Speaker 3: the classroom door. Seventy three percent of students reported mistrust

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Speaker 3: in conversations about these values with close friends.

531
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Speaker 4: They were afraid to even talk to their friends. That's that.

532
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: Preference falsification, that's its direct fruit. They're sure they're friends,

533
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Speaker 3: excuse me disagree with them, even though eighty seven percent

534
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: agree with them, They're terrified to say anything out loud.

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00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: This is not simply peer pressure. It is identity regulation

536
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: at scaled. Being institutionalized, universities often justified these dynamics in

537
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: the name of inclusion, But inclusion that demands dishonesty is

538
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: not ensuring psychological safety. It is sanctioning self abandonment. In

539
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: attempting to engineer moral unity, higher education is mistaken consensus

540
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: for growth and compliance for care, and the students know

541
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Speaker 3: it's wrong. When they're given permission to speak freely. Many

542
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: describe the experience of participating as not only liberating but clarifying.

543
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: For students trained to perform the act of telling the

544
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Speaker 3: truth felt radical. Finally, if higher education is to fulfill

545
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: its promise as a site of intellectual and moral development,

546
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: it must relearn the difference between support and supervision. It

547
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: must recenter truth, not consensus, as its animating value. And

548
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: it must give back to students what has been taken

549
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Speaker 3: from them, the right to believe in the space to become.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how, oh exactly you can join this fight.

551
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: Maybe it's by supporting organizations or I don't know, podcasts,

552
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: radio shows that are fighting the fight. But man, we've

553
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: got to win this for the youngsters. They are being

554
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: mentally and intellectually tortured and bullied by these monsters, these

555
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: monsters in their ivory towers, and it's got to stop.

556
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Speaker 8: Strong Jack Armstrong and Shoe Getty the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 6: You said this many times after your years of trying

558
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Speaker 6: a number of different kinds of therapy for me and

559
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 6: my family, kids, marriage, all kinds of different stuff. I

560
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 6: think it's mostly worthless.

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Speaker 4: I really do. I really do. I think it's mostly

562
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Speaker 4: a waste of money.

563
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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, but this is pretty good from a marriage psychologist

564
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Speaker 6: who reveals the number one sign of a future separation.

565
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 6: And this stuff is almost always crap, especially if it's

566
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Speaker 6: in the New York Post.

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Speaker 4: Which is where I got this. But I thought This

568
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Speaker 4: was really good.

569
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Speaker 6: If you want to know if your marriage is heading

570
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 6: to splitsville, don't check your partner's phone, check their face.

571
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Speaker 4: Like any of that.

572
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Speaker 6: You know, there's so many stupid things out there, you know,

573
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Speaker 6: the one sign that he's gonna cheat or whatever the

574
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 6: hell I mean, they're just all dumb, but click bait.

575
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 6: The subtle smirk of superiority is the number one red

576
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 6: flag for divorce, according to this psychologist, and they get

577
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 6: into why. Research found that four nasty little habits, criticism, contempt, defensiveness,

578
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: and stonewalling are the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

579
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Speaker 4: When it comes to dooming relationships. I'll read those four again.

580
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 6: Criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling.

581
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: But contempt is the kiss of death. That's the one,

582
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Speaker 4: and you've said that for years. That's the one you

583
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 4: can't get past. Done.

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Speaker 6: The largest marriage experiment ever on they think of couples

585
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 6: that you know, survive and don't survive. Body language experts

586
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 6: brought couples into a lab and if one member of

587
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Speaker 6: the couple shows a one sided mouth raise, which I

588
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 6: had never heard before as like a physical contempt thing.

589
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Speaker 4: But I guess we're just programmed.

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Speaker 6: When we're feeling that feeling of contempt for something, or

591
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Speaker 6: you know, the oh please, or get out of here

592
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Speaker 6: with that BS or whatever feeling you raise.

593
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Speaker 4: One side of your mouth.

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Speaker 6: It's funny if one member of the couple shows a

595
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 6: one sided mouth raised towards the other, he can tell

596
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Speaker 6: you if they're going to get divorced, because it's contempt.

597
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 6: He could predict divorce with an astonishing ninety four percent

598
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Speaker 6: accurate fear. Now, this is the part I thought was

599
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 6: really interesting. Fear comes in a burst, and then you

600
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 6: calm down. Happiness comes and then you go back to normal.

601
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Speaker 6: Anger comes and then you calm down, but not contempt.

602
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Speaker 6: If you feel scorn or disdain for someone else, and

603
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 6: if it's not addressed, it just festers and grows and

604
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 6: stays at the same level. Fear, anger, and then obviously

605
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 6: happiness you get back to a normal level.

606
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Speaker 4: Contempt does not go away, you know, in.

607
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: A definition of contempt, the feeling that a person or

608
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: a thing is beneath consideration, worthless or deserving scorn.

609
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: Yes, coming back from that.

610
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Speaker 6: I've not felt contempt, but I have been on the

611
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 6: wrong end of contempt, I think, And having read this,

612
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Speaker 6: I thought, yeah, that's what was insurmountable. I mean, because

613
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Speaker 6: once you have contempt for someone you don't agree, you

614
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Speaker 6: don't think they are worth listening to on anything.

615
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Speaker 4: Right, this is how I feel, this is my priority.

616
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Speaker 4: I don't care. Right. Yeah, that's a tough one to

617
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 4: get past.

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Speaker 6: So look out for contempt and whatever started to bring

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Speaker 6: it on. The point is you start to deal with

620
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 6: it right away. Otherwise it does just grow and fester

621
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Speaker 6: and then it gets into a situation where it might

622
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Speaker 6: not be reversible. They also believe that many couples get

623
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Speaker 6: in and stuck in an endless loop of the same

624
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 6: three arguments.

625
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 4: Throughout the relationship. They just don't realize it.

626
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Speaker 6: And if you can nail down what your three most

627
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 6: common arguments are you and your partner, you can solve.

628
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: A lot of problems.

629
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Speaker 6: Like you get into something, you say, okay, here we're

630
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 6: in argument number two again. We always argue about this,

631
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Speaker 6: and you can you know, realize that you know you

632
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 6: don't see eye to eye on this particular thing and

633
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 6: how you've dealt with in the past.

634
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 4: Back to the contempt thing.

635
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Speaker 6: Discust and contempt are to a relationship with gasoline, and

636
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 6: matches are to a fire. The telltale signs are irolling, mouthcrimping,

637
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 6: and then subtle fidgeting like picking it close or cleaning

638
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 6: fingers mid conversation as signals of disdain. This person said

639
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 6: that they dubbed this move the lint picker, a behavior

640
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Speaker 6: that he says, screams contempt louder than words ever could.

641
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Speaker 4: Interesting.

642
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Speaker 3: You know, it's probably worth presenting the other side of

643
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Speaker 3: the coin at some point. We don't have time now,

644
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: but how do you prevent that sort of thing? Nip

645
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 3: it in the bud, having

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Speaker 6: Lint on your shirt, no contempt in your marrit no

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Speaker 6: armstrong and getty