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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. Is this episode number two hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty nine, and today on the show, we're chatting

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Speaker 1: with Lee Ellis and Drew Carroll from Seque Productions about

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Speaker 1: the unbelievable deer hunting success they're having in the suburbs

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Speaker 1: of Atlanta, Georgia. Before we get into the main show, though,

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Speaker 1: we need to do kind of a little intro to

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Speaker 1: the intro, beginning first with a thank you to our

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Speaker 1: partners at Lacrosse Boots for their support of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: I've now worn my new pair of Alpha Burly Pro

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Speaker 1: knee high rubber boots on hunts this year in Montana,

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Speaker 1: North Dakota, and Michigan. I've worn them in temperatures all

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Speaker 1: the way up to the nineties and down into the fifties.

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Speaker 1: Have crossed rivers, I've slid down canyons, I've climbed up trees,

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Speaker 1: I've snuck their standing bean fields, and through all that,

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Speaker 1: I've been comfortable. I've been dry, and I've left as

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Speaker 1: with a boot. So all in all, these boots have

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Speaker 1: ten fifteen plus years they've been terrific as well. So

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Speaker 1: all that's to say that if you are in the

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Speaker 1: Lacrosse Footwear dot Com to check out the options they

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Speaker 1: have available. In other news, as many of you know,

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt is now a part of meat Eater, Inc.

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Speaker 1: It is this new media company founded by Stephen Ronnella

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Speaker 1: which I am now a part of. Two and our

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Speaker 1: big studying announcement this week is that the newest season

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Speaker 1: of the Meat Eater TV show has just launched as

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Speaker 1: a Netflix original And this is the first hunting show

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Speaker 1: ever to be in Netflix original So this is a

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Speaker 1: really big deal for the hunting community and and also

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Speaker 1: just you know, a great show too, so it's neat.

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Speaker 1: It's cool, especially that I'm actually featured in this season

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Speaker 1: as my caribou hunt from last year's in there. It's

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Speaker 1: two episodes. I got to check them out a couple

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Speaker 1: of days ago, and I might be biased since I

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Speaker 1: was in them, but I think they turned out incredibly well. Um,

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Speaker 1: it was a pretty moving to get to watch that

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Speaker 1: and relive that. So i'd encourage you guys to check

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Speaker 1: out the new season. It's right up there on Netflix

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater with Steve Ronnella. I think you'll enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: And that now brings us to the real reason we're

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Speaker 1: about suburban bow hunting. In this episode and this one,

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Speaker 1: I think is is really really unique and it's especially

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Speaker 1: interesting as these guys Lee and Drew, they've developed a

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Speaker 1: set of hunting strategies that have allowed them to target

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Speaker 1: truly world class deer right in the neighborhoods and suburbs

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Speaker 1: of a major metro era. It's it's fascinating stuff. And

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Speaker 1: whether you're targeting mature or quote unquote big bucks yourself,

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Speaker 1: or if you're simply trying to just learn a deer

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Speaker 1: the freezer, I think there's something for you to learn

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Speaker 1: here today. Now that's said, if you're really excited about

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Speaker 1: that content. If you want to skip our long rambling

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Speaker 1: pregame show with my buddy Dan Johnson and me as

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Speaker 1: we discuss our recent deer hunts and plans, you can

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Speaker 1: fast forward about twenty five minutes or so from here.

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Speaker 1: But if you've got the time and the patients to

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Speaker 1: delve into the life and adventures of myself and Dan

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Speaker 1: nine fingers Johnson, stick around, because here we go. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx, and today we're talking about something very different

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Speaker 1: than the usual. We're talking suburban deer hunting. We're joined

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Speaker 1: by the guys from Seek One Productions. These guys are

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Speaker 1: And I actually got my start bow hunting in this

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to have this conversation. So this is gonna

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting and it's funny. I actually

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Speaker 1: If only that guy could hear this podcast and learn

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to go out tonight, But um, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: fire and it has to happen within all shapes and

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00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: forms of life. So I think I think you're a

429
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: percent right. I think there could be if you're using

430
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: it too much because you have a smaller property. Right, Yes,

431
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: you take the proper you take the proper um access

432
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: routes in, you take the proper scent precautions, but at

433
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: the same time, you're using that more on a smaller

434
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: property than let's say, someone like myself who has a

435
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: bigger property and may be using the same things but

436
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: just distributed over more acres. Yeah, I mean, all of

437
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: my impact on this little property is within like probably

438
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: twenty acres. There's really only maybe twenty maybe even less

439
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: that's actually huntable ground. So even though I'm not hunting

440
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: it very often, when I do hunt, it's all kind

441
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: and trade in this relatively small area that I'm limited to.

442
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: And that's happened, you know, year after year after year,

443
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: and some of these old does you know that have

444
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: been here five, six, seven years, They've encountered that now

445
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: over and over. So it's it's something on the pay

446
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: attention to more this year. You know. I went out

447
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: last night to a different farm, new property, and I

448
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: had deer comes straight down wind, so they had I

449
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: was doing nothing different. I had washed my clothes the

450
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: same way, I showered the same way. I did, all

451
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: the same scent control, I use the asonos, these nose jammers,

452
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: same thing. These deer come down wind to me just

453
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: like what happened to me on opening night. But these

454
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: deer act completely oblivious. They're like, oh that's something, but

455
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't care, and they just waltzed done through completely

456
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: different reaction. Um, So it's just kind of got the

457
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: question marks popping up over my head and um, we'll

458
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: see how the rest of the year goes. But that's

459
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: something I've noticed. And um, then I guess speaking to

460
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: that second night I went to this new property I

461
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: got permission on. UM, I kind of wanted to an

462
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: observation sit just on the edge, just trying to I

463
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: want to learn more about this property before I start

464
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: diving in swinging for any home runs. And uh, I

465
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: saw a decent number dear, a couple of young bucks,

466
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: beautiful sit um, but nothing too crazy. So that was

467
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: kind of how my season started. It was fun. I

468
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: want to check some more cameras on the holy Field

469
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: property to try to figure out if this guy is

470
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: still around. Um. And I'm just gonna kind of keep

471
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: on keeping on over the next few weeks, taking a

472
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: few low impact hunts, Gonna do some public land dabbling, UM,

473
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: test out the saddle some more on some of these

474
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: public land areas. Get aggressive on some public land on

475
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: days where I don't want to go to my good spot.

476
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: And uh, that's that's what I've got up my sleeve

477
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: for the next week, week and half until things get

478
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: more interesting. So you know how you solve that dough

479
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: who keeps blowing at your problem, right, Yeah, I do.

480
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: And and if that's the one thing is I need

481
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: to figure out if holy Field still alive or not,

482
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: because if he's not alive, there's no other bucks on

483
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: this farm that I've seen on camera yet that are like,

484
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: for sure mature bucks. Um. I just need to get

485
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: a dope patrol if that's the case, and and just

486
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: spend the season trying to trying to manage that dope population,

487
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing about this spot. It's a

488
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: super small property. I've got very limited options, but they're

489
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: just a boatload of doughs. Um. I never kill as

490
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: many doughs as I probably should. I try to kill

491
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: as money. I try to invite some friends over to

492
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: to take some but and I'm sure I should be

493
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: doing better, and the neighbors aren't doing anything for the

494
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: most part. So there's just so many deer. You can't

495
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: hardly get anywhere where there's not gonna be some deer

496
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: on all sides of you. And that makes for challenging

497
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: hunting scenarios. So maybe you know, if the worst case

498
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: scenario is true and holy Field disappeared, the silver lining

499
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: is that I can maybe finally get to get a

500
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: handle on the dough situation and see what comes next.

501
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: So absolutely, so, why let me ask you this question

502
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: before we split. Why aren't you just sitting back and

503
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: checking l cameras right? You're hunting a ghost right now? Yeah,

504
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: And I mean that's that's my plan for that property

505
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: is too. I was gonna hunt it opening night and

506
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: then I'm not going to hunt it again till Halloween

507
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: unless unless I get a picture or sighting of him.

508
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: So those other hunts I'm talking about that will be

509
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: on this new property, that will be on public land,

510
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: or that will be up on my Northern Michigan deer

511
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Camp property, um being. Yeah, so the Holy Field spot

512
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: is off limits now unless I get something that screams

513
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: out you gotta start hunting. And now, so well, I hope,

514
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: I hope he shows up out of nowhere again and

515
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: you can finally put this to rest. Either he doesn't

516
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: show up this year at all, or you know, or

517
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: you kill him, or you find that someone else kills him.

518
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: Because I've had bucks in my head that have lingered, right,

519
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: and it's always like you can't make a proper decision

520
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: while that particular buck is lingering. Yeah, yeah, I just

521
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: need some closure on this, this whole deal. You know.

522
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: It's funny. Hunting can be so many different things to

523
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: different people at different points, and like they're hunting journey,

524
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, And when you get to that point where

525
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: you want the hunt to be in such a specific

526
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: way that you are just trying to target one buck

527
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: or at least most of your energy is going towards

528
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: that one buck, it can be a lot of fun,

529
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: but it can also We've we've had this conversation many times.

530
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: It can also be like mentally draining or emotionally draining

531
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. So I am I'm ready to

532
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: put this thing to bed one way or another and

533
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: m and kind of move on to some different things.

534
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping it'll be happy ending, but if it's not,

535
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm ready to see what's behind the next the next

536
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: hill too, right, So well, I'm rooting for you. I

537
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm rooting for you too. I I'm hoping

538
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: that Narlie Charlie will co operate and show up for

539
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: you here soon. So next week would be nice. Next

540
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: week we'll have to have a more in depth low

541
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: down of of how you're hunting this deer and and

542
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have a hunting by. Do you think that

543
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: this weekend might be one of those days you can hunt? Um?

544
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: I have to no, not this weekend, uh because number one,

545
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna get the wind I need

546
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: and number two, uh, my wife has to work, so

547
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm stuck to the local farm. Okay, Well, so

548
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: the next week, maybe we can get more in depth

549
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: on how we're going to tackle the Gnarlie Charlie dilemma.

550
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: And uh absolutely I'm excited. Well, thank you, sir. I

551
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: know you've got to bounce, but um, we're gonna move

552
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: on to get the suburban bow hunter guys Seek one

553
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Productions on the line here talk about some big bucks

554
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia. Real quick. Before we do that, we

555
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: need to take a second and think our partners at

556
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: White Tailed Property, and I want to give a plug

557
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: for another one of their YouTube videos that are part

558
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: of that land beat video series of there's. The most

559
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: recent one is with Dan Perez. Dan Perez is the

560
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: co founder of White Tailed Properties, and what he talks

561
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: about in this quick video are a few different things

562
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: you can do before buying a piece of property to

563
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: help you understand what kind of income potential is there.

564
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: You know, how how much money could you get from

565
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: leasing it out to a farmer or from different from

566
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: different kinds of government programs that will pay you for

567
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: certain habitat and projects and whatnot. Very interesting, some good

568
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: things to think about before dropping some some coin on

569
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: a potential hunting property or recreational property. And a quick watch.

570
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: So head on over to the white Tail Properties YouTube channel.

571
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: They have lots of videos with helpful information even some hunts.

572
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: Now this one though, if you want to check it out.

573
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: It's called Considerations when Buying Land. And if you want

574
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: more information about white Tail Properties and the land they

575
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: have listed for sale, visit white tailed properties dot com.

576
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Alright with me now on the line, I've got Lee

577
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: and Drew from Seek One Productions. Welcome to show, guys. Yeah,

578
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate taking the time. I um I. I just

579
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: recently kind of discovered you guys, because my producer, Spencer

580
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: new Hearth, he puts together my radio miniseries for Wired Hunt.

581
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: He had I think it was Lee. I think he

582
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: had you on as a contributor a few weeks ago,

583
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: and I listened to that, and I was really interested

584
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: in what you had to say, and so I gotta

585
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: go check these guys out. So then I went and

586
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: I pulled up your YouTube channel, and I started looking

587
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: at these videos, started seeing what you guys are up to,

588
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: and I kind of had my mind blown. You guys

589
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: kind of kind of shocked me with what you're doing

590
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: down there in Atlanta. Um. So I'm excited. I guess

591
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: that's my long way of saying, this is gonna be

592
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: really interesting conversation. I'm glad we're doing it. Um. And

593
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: I guess to get started, i'd like to hear just

594
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: a real quick, like cliff notes intro as to who

595
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: you guys are and what you're doing. UM, I don't know, leave,

596
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: do you want to kick things off and just kind

597
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: of give us a quick overview of who who you are,

598
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: how you get involved this? Yeah, So, UM, I think

599
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: you Drew and I both pretty much started at the

600
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: exact same time. We were buddies and middle school and

601
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: he had a family farm that you know, we'd go

602
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: to on just kind of rare occasion. Um, But we

603
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: were so busy with school and sports and stuff that

604
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: we really never got to get out there. So he

605
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: Drew the one that kind of got me introduced to hunting. Um.

606
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: And then it was you know, just kind of us

607
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: taking notice of what was around us, just driving to

608
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: and from school. And I know that Drew and I

609
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: was fishing upon one day and like a like a

610
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: creek bottom. And I mean at this time, I didn't

611
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: really know anything about hunting, but Drew knew what you know,

612
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: rubs and scrapes, wor and stuff in this place was

613
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: just like destroyed. Um, and so we were just like, man,

614
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: there's there's gotta be like some pretty good deer here.

615
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: We'd see him like driving down the roads and stuff,

616
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: and um, we just kind of started from there. I

617
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: mean had literally had no clue what we were doing

618
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: at six h trying to get access to um, you know,

619
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: places to hunt. But uh, you know, we'll kind of

620
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: dive into some stories later, but like it, I mean

621
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: it took us a long time. Finally got some access

622
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: to some places and put some cameras out and kind

623
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: of stumbled on this little hidden gym that was around

624
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: us the whole time and never gonna really knew it.

625
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, before we know it, like our

626
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: first year hunting. We've got like, you know, just some

627
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: freaking stud you know, one fifty plus just matured year

628
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: that we're chasing, you know, minutes from our house. So um,

629
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it was just kind of a

630
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: undiscovered little secret, didn't really see it coming kind of thing,

631
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: and it was it just kind of took off from there.

632
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: We've been doing it for twelve years, and Um through

633
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: kind of approached the idea of I guess this was

634
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: two thousand was when don't we hunt Charlie Drew? I

635
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: think it's two thousand fourteen. Charlie was, Yeah, that kind

636
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: of I guess originally grabbed some attention because it was

637
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: just like this deer was just like stupid big um

638
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: and Drew was like, we need to film this. I mean,

639
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: the stories that we've had prior to them, you just

640
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: gotta see to believe of how kind of crazy they are.

641
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: And he was like, we got a film and tell

642
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: the story. And so this kind of drew his idea.

643
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: He pretty much gave up his old season just to

644
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: film me uh and the story of hung story called

645
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: Charlie and Um ended up killing that deer on camera

646
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: and a little trailer together and some out there. That's

647
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: what kind of got our name out there. Ever since then,

648
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: we've been uh filming our hunts and trying to tell

649
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: the stories of chasing these monster bucks in the suburbs. Yeah,

650
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: what would you add, Drew? Um, I mean he pretty

651
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: much covered a high level. Um. Yeah, I mean we

652
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: we both live basically it's considered the suburbs of Atlanta,

653
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: So we're we both live outside the perimeter, which would

654
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: be um, probably a twenty minute drive from like the

655
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: real heart of the city. But we're still, you know,

656
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: surrounded by neighborhoods and commercial property and stuff like that. So, um,

657
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: define a block of woods over ten acres is pretty rare.

658
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's some big box kind of scattered

659
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: throughout and along the river. Um. But we are like

660
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: in the heart of the suburbs. So when we say

661
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: a suburban hunting, it's not like we're kind of on

662
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: the outskirts of these neighborhoods like we are in the

663
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: uh in the creek bottoms and river bottoms between these

664
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: these houses. So yeah, we we're just fortunate enough to

665
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: grow up in probably the best areas of the entire

666
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: state as far as genetics go and and deer population.

667
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: So we kind of just as the deer population grew

668
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: down here, we just kind of started to take notice

669
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: and uh and took advantage of it. And that's how

670
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: we didn't I don't think either of us bow hunted

671
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: before we found that little creek bottom, that little that

672
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: six acre block of woods. We both like that property. UM.

673
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of how it kicked off. And

674
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: then we hunted that spot for I don't know, probably

675
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: for four or five years before we started to have

676
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: to branch out. I mean, that spot was unbelievable. It

677
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: was like a gateway um into like a larger area

678
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: of just different pockets of woods. So we in a rut.

679
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: We'd have just books that we have never seen just

680
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: piling through there, and Lee killed most of them. Lee

681
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: Lee went on a bro heater for about four or

682
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: five years, and then I think he was the first

683
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: one to kind of start branching out UM and started

684
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: just knocking on doors in other areas and realizing that hey,

685
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: it's working at this spot here. Why I want to

686
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: work you know, ten miles away, um at this other

687
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: spot that I found on on Google maps. UM. And

688
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: so you know that just kind of escalated and escalated,

689
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: and I mean before you know it, we were knocking

690
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: on hundreds and hundreds of doors every offseason just searching

691
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: for a for a mature Bucks so and and then, um,

692
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: I think it was it was the year that Donny

693
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: Vincent came out with The Rivers Divide. Is when when

694
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I was like, dang, that's pretty cool. I want to

695
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: like the story of Steve is very very similar to

696
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: the stories that we're having on these Bucks. Um, Like,

697
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: I want to I want to buy a camera and

698
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: film this. So that was that was a big motivation.

699
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: And then just kind of watching Portland bow Hunter progress

700
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: and they're just um, their their quality and they're like

701
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: cinematic style. That was a big motivator too. So I

702
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: bought a camera that year and the very first year

703
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: that we ever filmed, the very first video that I've

704
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: ever made in my life was a absolute monster. What

705
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: is the nine point early with I think he was

706
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty two inches or something. And the

707
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: frame on this year is just insane, Like it looks

708
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: like people were saying that Lee shot it from a

709
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: high offense, shot it out of like a helicopter and

710
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just like there's no way

711
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: that came from Atlanta. People just like there's no way. Well, well,

712
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I feel like most people probably even

713
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: still don't really under Dan what you're talking about as

714
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: far as the quality of deer that you're seeing in

715
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: hunting and killing in the suburbs here. I mean, you

716
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: guys are incorrect me if I'm wrong here, But for whenever,

717
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: what I've seen, you're consistently getting on mature bucks and

718
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: and big like crazy non typical bucks to like booners

719
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: and two at least one plus buck. Right, Yeah, we've

720
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: had to hunt for well to be determined, possibly four

721
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: now including this year, but uh three two hund We've

722
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: we've had a tance to hunt three year in Atlanta

723
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: over the years. Plus if you count j if you

724
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: count Ja, that's another one because Jay actually has the

725
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: state record nontypical, which is growth. Yeah, something crazy. Wow,

726
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: And this is happening in neighborhoods and behind people's houses.

727
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like this is this is just

728
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: unlike what any anyone thinks is possible. Um, it's pretty remarkable.

729
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: What so, so why do you think that this area

730
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: is so good. And I guess that's my first question,

731
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: why do you think that you're finding deer of this

732
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: age in quality? And then number two? Is that unique

733
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: just to this area in Atlanta or are there quality

734
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: deer hunting opportunities like this in suburbs of other big

735
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: cities too? Do you think? Uh so? There. I think

736
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on in Atlanta that

737
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: that make it what it is. Um The first is

738
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know it's like the the actual facts

739
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: behind this, but there used to be like no deer

740
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Um And I know that, you know, two

741
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: decades ago they imported deer. I've always heard been told

742
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin and that that's kind of the native genetic

743
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: that that's kind of spread throughout Atlanta because some of

744
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: these do you look at and you're like, Yeah, there's

745
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: there's no way that that's a Native Georgia deer with

746
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: just like the heavy mass and just dark racks and

747
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: you know some of the crazy frames and nontypicals that

748
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: we're seeing. Um So, I've always been told that it's

749
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: been like a Wisconsin strange genetic that's running around Atlanta.

750
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: UM So you can find good genetics with just an

751
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: absolute buffet of food they have in the summertime. We've

752
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: got the biggest thing we've discovered, and this is something

753
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: we discovered probably three years ago, what Charlie was. We

754
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: had no idea where this deer spent his summertime. You

755
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 1: know when the when o cobra hit and the deer

756
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: moving around is when we'd always get him on camera.

757
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: But as far as like spring and summer and early fall,

758
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: we had no idea where this year was um and

759
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: so we just started searching and searching and searching. We

760
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: found him in a cudzoo patch in the summertime. Do

761
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: you do? You know what cud do this? You know,

762
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: I didn't. I hadn't heard of it until I heard

763
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: you talk about it a little bit on the radio

764
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: episode a couple weeks ago. But but please talk about

765
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: it because I'm sure most people aren't familiar or some

766
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: aren't Drew the botanist, so I'll let him I got

767
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: last podcast. So yeah, jud do is basically UM, it's

768
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: basically a it's like a soybean. It's it's really a

769
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: lab lab so just a perennial type soybean leafy plant

770
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: that just grows in a vine and it's invasive. I

771
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: think it's from like Japan or something, and it just

772
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: grows and all these like on the roadsides and basically

773
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: anywhere it can take hold. It just starts growing and

774
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: it's impossible to get rid of. But it's like twenty

775
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: or protein in the leaves and just grows. It can

776
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: grow us five don s, so these deer can just

777
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: be down grows into Yeah, it grows into this jungle.

778
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: It's just like a perfect habitat form. So that's kind

779
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: of what we discovered is like this this cut dune.

780
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: It I think it was originally introduced for like you know,

781
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: help helping and control like erosion along roadways and stuff. Um,

782
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: but it's just like it grows so fast that it's

783
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: just like moved into, you know, places that shouldn't be

784
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: and it's just taken over little pockets of woods and

785
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: it's like these boxed in the summertime, we'll pile into

786
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: these cuts, do patches because it's just a buffet built.

787
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: When we were filming and watching Charlie, he would get up,

788
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, ten times a day, feed around for a

789
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: few minutes, lay right back down and he would just

790
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: completely disappear. And he was actually in the middle of

791
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: an apartment complex, probably ten acres in the middle of

792
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: apartment complex, and nobody knew that Dear was there until

793
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: like they saw Drew and I like standing on people's

794
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: decks and stuff with the camera lens and whatnot, and

795
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, yeah, I guess there are deer

796
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: back here. And they were looking at like a totally

797
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: care um so that they're fords in the sun. Our

798
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: time with cud do and things like that is just

799
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, they have all they could possibly eat. And

800
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: we've seen some really big bucks grow out going out

801
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: and kutz and then we have so many hardwoods. I mean,

802
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: I was checking a camera yesterday and I'm just like

803
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: walking on top of white oaks on the ground, acorns

804
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: and so between that, and then you know, as uh

805
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: kind of the hard winter rolls around, they really move

806
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: into people's landscaping and stuff um and started eating that.

807
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: So kind of through all all all through all parts

808
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: of the year, they've got all the food they could

809
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: possibly want. So do you think then to to that

810
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: second part of the question, do you feel that you

811
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: know the suburbs of Detroit, or the suburbs of Cleveland

812
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: or the suburbs of name any other big city across

813
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: the country. Do you think there's opportunities like this where

814
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: there's probably great foods sources that probably are these pockets

815
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: of timber and creek ranges and things like that where

816
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: these deer are getting in there getting well fed and

817
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: aren't being hunted as much like these deer are. Is

818
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: this Does this translate other places? Yeah, it definitely doesn't.

819
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: That's part of what we're doing this year, uh with

820
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: our videos is we're we've branched out to Nashville, Tennessee,

821
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: which that kind of got put on the map a

822
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: couple I guess two years ago when someone killed the

823
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: world record non typical like just outside of Nashville. So

824
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: we get messages all the time from people in different

825
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: cities saying it's like so cool to watch other people

826
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: doing exactly what we're doing. Um, another city is like

827
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: you guys should come up here and check out the deer.

828
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: And in Nashville or Cincinnati or DC, you're I mean,

829
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: you name it. There's probably ten different cities that we've

830
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: gotten messages from. So yeah, I mean, it's definitely definitely

831
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: something that's going on in other cities. I think for

832
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: a long time, I mean even here in Atlanta, like

833
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: it was kept a secret and for good reason. And we,

834
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: I mean we've been accused of ruining that secret, which

835
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: is kind of true that. Uh. I think it's like

836
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: now that it's kind of coming out with us, and

837
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean there there are other people that are that

838
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: are doing it in other cities that have kind of

839
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: publicized it. But it's just it's coming to light a

840
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: lot more in recent years and it than it has been. Um,

841
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: so I think it was. Yeah, I think you'll start

842
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: hearing more and more people that are like, yeah, I've

843
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: been doing this forever. I've killed these giant gear in

844
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: the suburbs of wherever. Um And I mean I don't

845
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: I don't think so. One thing that's like unique about

846
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: Atlanta is that the rest of Georgia doesn't necessarily have

847
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: really big gear. I mean, there are pockets of good genetics, um,

848
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, scattered throughout the state, but as a whole,

849
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: it's not known the Big Buck state. But Atlanta is different.

850
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: So that's like that draws people in from outside of

851
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: the city to just come in to come in and

852
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: just trying to find these big gear all. Yeah, it

853
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: just kind of it just makes it that much more

854
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: um in the spotlight. Whereas if you go out to

855
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, Ohio or something like, there's

856
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: big gear throughout the most of the state. So Cincinnati

857
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: is not going to necessarily stand out as much. Um So.

858
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: I mean, as with anywhere that it has to have

859
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: the genetics to to be able to produce. But a

860
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: lot of times in these suburban environments you're going to

861
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: get if you have the genetics, you could also have

862
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: the lack of hunting crusher, so that you're going to

863
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: get older and bigger. Yeah, So is that something that

864
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: you can consistently see is that there are my assumption

865
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: as a lot of times there's going to be areas

866
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: that just are not getting hunted that are very different

867
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: than a lot of spots maybe in the more rural

868
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: spot areas where there's at least in more states a

869
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: significant amount of pressure. So you're seeing deer that just

870
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: reach more consistent age older age classes. Is that something

871
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of in the trend right These deer just

872
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: getting age on them, and that's why that used to

873
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: be the case, it's not anymore though, uh So, kind

874
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: of backtracking a little bit, that spot, that first spot

875
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: that you are fishing, that pond, that and they're just

876
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: like scrapes and rubs everywhere. That's where we ended up

877
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: getting permission. And it was like, you know, we we

878
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: had three four or five shooters in their year in November,

879
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: and I don't think either of us have hunted that

880
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: spot in six years because that area has become very

881
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: popular and so there's a lot there's so many hunters

882
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: now it is so hard to find a mature deer

883
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: in that area anymore. Because here's the thing, like, you know,

884
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: our genetics are so good that are two and three

885
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: year olds are you know, hoping young type deer and

886
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: someone that's you know, never kill a pope and young,

887
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: especially with a you know, with a bow in their hand.

888
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, how can how can you

889
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: blame them for not passing up that three year old

890
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, dyer that comes walking by and when they've

891
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: never killed a deer like that. So there's so many

892
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: people getting into it, and there's some areas that are

893
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: definitely way more popular than others that it has really

894
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: caused us to kind of adapt and and and completely

895
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: abandoned areas um and really try and get into places

896
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 1: that are overlooked that aren't being hunted as much, where

897
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: you do find a deer of that you know right

898
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: age class um. And you know, for us, we really

899
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: like to try and find a deer that's at the

900
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: minimum five UM. And the deer that's that we killed

901
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: last year, the named Zeus, we think he was like

902
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: nine and and that was the biggest that's the biggest

903
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: he ever was. So we have set Antler's off of

904
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: him from when he was eight and he scored one

905
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: nine and then we have um, you know, the next

906
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: year we killed him and we I think we green

907
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: scored him at like two or three something like that.

908
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: So from eight to nine we put on ten inches UM.

909
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean to answer your question, yes, there

910
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: are definitely still places where and it takes a long

911
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: time to find them where deer getting to the right age.

912
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: But this is something that is becoming so popular that

913
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you've got ten or fifteen guys hunting

914
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: the same deer, so there's a lot more deer being shot,

915
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: and it's just really it's in some of these areas

916
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: where it's more popular, it's really hard to find, you know,

917
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: the right age class. But um, I think everything has

918
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: to do with obviously nutrition, genetics, but age is also

919
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: super super important. We watched Dear you know for some

920
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: time drew something deer right now called Falco that I

921
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: think he's had on camera for five years. Yeah, we

922
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be a lot of deer. Yeah, we watch

923
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: a lot of deer from one and a half and

924
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: two and a half and just kind of keep watching them,

925
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: keep watching them, keep watching them until they're at that

926
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: right edge, uh, to go hunt. It's so cool that

927
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: you'll have that kind of opportunity where you do have

928
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: those deer that make it year after year and get

929
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: to get to watch them and follow them. It's I

930
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: feel like for for sometimes people on the outside of

931
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: this kind of little tight community that gets really into

932
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: the white tail stuff. For people who haven't had that

933
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: kind of chance, they look at it is kind of

934
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: bizarre that you might name a deer or that you

935
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: might watch Dear year after year. But but as you

936
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: guys obviously know, since you've been a part of this,

937
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: and I've been fortunate to have some opportunities like this too.

938
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to be able to take the challenge

939
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: of hunting and ramp that challenge up two level twelve

940
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: when you're targeting that one deer and learning that one

941
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: deer's habits and that one dear's behavior and his home

942
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: range and how he moves between places and why he

943
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: does what he does. I mean, at least for someone

944
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: like me and I'm sure you guys too, who's fascinated

945
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: by these animals, that is like the ultimate and uh,

946
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: it's it's so cool to be able to see that

947
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: happening in places like this in the city that I

948
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: think most people just assume that you couldn't do this.

949
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: And what I what I love about it, and I

950
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: think you immediately we're talking about this just a little

951
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: bit yesterday, is the fact that I feel like this

952
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: idea of of the opportunities available in the suburbs and

953
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: around the city, it opens up the doors of hunting

954
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: to so many new people that maybe didn't think they

955
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: could find a place to hunt. You've got these new

956
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: people coming into the hunting world that want to get started.

957
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: They live in town, they don't have friends or family

958
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: that live out in the country with big farms and

959
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: they're thinking, well, yeah, I like the idea of hunting.

960
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: It seems like a cool thing. Joe Rogan has been

961
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: talking about it, and I'm intrigued. But where the heck

962
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: do I go. I'm not going to drive two hours

963
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere and knock going to farmer's

964
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: door in my penny loafers. Um, but but but but

965
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: I think if they if they see or hear about

966
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: what people like you guys are doing right in town,

967
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, hey, I could drive ten minutes down

968
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: the road and knock on these doors in my neighborhood

969
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: and maybe there's a three acre piece I could hunt

970
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: and that actually could work. I feel like this is

971
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: just it's such an important idea to get out there

972
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: at this time when when we need to help bring

973
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: in this new group of hunters. So so I guess

974
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: my rambling leads me to this. Then let's talk about

975
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: how you do this, because if someone's listening and they're

976
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: intrigued and they want to try to put this into

977
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: play in their own town, um, I feel like we

978
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: need to start at where you start. So when you're

979
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: trying to find a new place, you have to twist

980
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: my arm a little bit on this one, but we'll see.

981
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best. So so when you're getting

982
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: started in a new area, maybe you can use the

983
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: Tennessee situation as example, or or something you're doing there

984
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I guess first, like, what are you looking

985
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: for when trying to find a place that's worth hunting?

986
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: You know, when at this point, how do you choose

987
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: the properties that you're interested in hunting? And then where

988
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: do you go from there? I think I think Nashville

989
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: actually is a really good example. I mean you can

990
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: you can watch our first episode that was released a

991
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. We have like a whole segment

992
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: on just before we even go up there for the

993
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: first time. We are looking at maps and networking and

994
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: all of that before we even put a boot on

995
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: the ground. So I think the the first step is,

996
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, just talking to everybody you possibly can, because

997
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: going out there blind and not knowing where certain pockets

998
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: of genetics where I mean, there's certain areas of Atlanta

999
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: and Nashville where there's not there's no deer, and then

1000
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: you go, you know, a couple of miles away and

1001
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: there's a ton of deer. So just getting out there

1002
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: and talking to as many people as possible to figure

1003
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: out the general area first to start, I think is

1004
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: a good first step. Um. And then just you know,

1005
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: along up pulling up maps. We uh, we use a

1006
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: couple of different maps. UM. One, we just use you know,

1007
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: Google Maps in aerial view just to kind of give

1008
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: a sweeping view of different pockets of woods. And then

1009
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: we'll kind of diving deeper with real estate maps that

1010
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: show property lines and owners names and addresses and phone

1011
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: numbers and things like that, so we'll kind of figure out,

1012
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, the areas that that have big blocks of

1013
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: woods that may be connected together by river bottoms or

1014
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: creek bottoms so these deer can actually roam around during

1015
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: the season. And then we'll actually look at property lines

1016
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: and we'll look for bigger properties that we can kind

1017
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: of string together. So like I mean, some areas the

1018
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: government or the city owns most of the blocks of

1019
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: woods and the properties are only you know, a half

1020
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: acre um. And then other areas you have you know,

1021
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: four and five acre properties um with houses on them,

1022
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: just like making up a huge area. So those are

1023
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: the types of areas we like to focus on. Just

1024
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: because it's so much easier for submission and you actually

1025
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: have room to move around. UM. So, I think what's

1026
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: cool about our Nashville video is that, you know, Atlanta,

1027
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: we've been doing this for so long that we've kind

1028
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: of established our network and our spots and stuff, just

1029
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of self sustaining beasts. At this point, we're we're

1030
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: always still looking for new areas, uh and whatnot, new

1031
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: places to get access to. But for the most part,

1032
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've done a lot of our groundwork.

1033
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: What's cool about Nashville is that we've never been there before,

1034
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: so you really got to see, you know, from start

1035
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: to finish of of how we do it and kind

1036
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: like Drew said, it's a lot of studying maps. But

1037
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: I think I think the biggest thing is uh, and

1038
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: this will kind of cover a couple of different categories,

1039
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: is to not be afraid. The reason I say that is, UH, One,

1040
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: you just you need to not be afraid to talk

1041
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: who whoever it is, doesn't matter who it is about,

1042
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: just bringing up, you know, your interests in hunting and

1043
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, because that person may let

1044
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: you hunt, they may have a place in their backyard

1045
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: or let you hunt. If not them, they may have

1046
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 1: a family friend or a family member that said, oh yeah,

1047
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: this guy seasier all the time. Oh. You know, you'd

1048
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: be amazed at how many times you you get people

1049
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: talking and they're like, oh, this person said they saw

1050
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: a huge buck, you know, last year, and you're like,

1051
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: where was that? And then and then on top of that,

1052
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, even if if you're looking at an area

1053
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: or you've been told as a deer in a certain area,

1054
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, some of these deer hide and really small

1055
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: overlooked places. Now they travel for miles, but sometimes they're

1056
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: traveling through tiny little fingers, and so you know, if

1057
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: you get a spot and you walk back there and

1058
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, oh, you know, I don't I

1059
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: don't know, stick a camera out because you never know

1060
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: what's gonna be there. I mean, we run I think

1061
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: we're running like thirty or forty cameras in Atlanta. I

1062
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: think we've been running about ten or fifteen in Nashville.

1063
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: And so it's like the more cameras you have out

1064
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: and covering a wider grid, you're gonna find something. And

1065
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: then you can kind of owe in on that beer.

1066
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: That's when it kind of comes into not being afraid

1067
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: to start just pounding the pavement and knocking on doors

1068
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: like crazy. I think a lot of people get really afraid.

1069
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: They just kind of built it up in their head

1070
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: that it's like this big intimidating thing and knock on

1071
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: some stranger's door and ask them to bow hunt. But um,

1072
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: once you just like get the confidence to do it

1073
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: a few times, you get more comfortable with it, and

1074
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: you kind of develop your own language and develop your

1075
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: style of your approach and everything like that, and you

1076
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: just gain more confidence and more confidence and more confident

1077
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: and more you do it. That's that's kind of why

1078
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: I say, like, don't be afraid to just talk to

1079
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: people and put cameras out in areas even if it

1080
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: doesn't great, and you know, don't be afraid to go

1081
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: start knocking on doors. Yeah. Yeah, I found in my

1082
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 1: own experience that it's like a snowball effect. That first

1083
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: story knocking is intimidating, and the second door is a

1084
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: little bit better, and the third door is a little better,

1085
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: and then it just gets better and better as you

1086
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: roll down the hill. Building. It was a complete disaster

1087
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: for us when we were sixteen. Like I said, complete

1088
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: disaster for us knocking on doors try and get one

1089
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: place to hunt. I mean we we had no clue

1090
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: what to say. We're probably starting starting our words. I

1091
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: think people can really see you right through that. They're like, hey,

1092
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: this that's the proudest for guy's first time doing this.

1093
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't really it's not really confident in what he's saying.

1094
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: And then it's gonna just gonna make that owner feel

1095
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: uneasy about it the whole situation. Let's talk about that

1096
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: permission process, because to your point, there's if you're going

1097
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: into this process having not done before, there's a lot

1098
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: of stumbling blocks along the way. Um. I think what

1099
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: I've seen and heard and just from knowing how my

1100
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: own process is developed, I'm sure you guys kind of

1101
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: have a game plan when it comes to how you

1102
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: ask for permission. Maybe what you wear when you're gonna

1103
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: ask permission, maybe how you talk. I saw in your

1104
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: in one of your videos that something one of you

1105
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: mentioned was that you knock on the door, but then

1106
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: you step back a few steps so you're not intimidatingly

1107
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: close to the door when a when a woman answers

1108
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: it and sees this big, tall guy right in her face. Um,

1109
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: can you walk us through all the little details that

1110
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: you think about when it comes to properly handling that

1111
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: permission asking process? Yeah, so I guess the first step

1112
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: would be, you know what you wear. We typically aware,

1113
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean long pants that are somewhat nicer. I mean,

1114
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 1: you don't have to overdress or anything like that because

1115
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: then you kind of look like a salesman and people

1116
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: who practice shut it in your face. But just be presentable.

1117
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: And I mean I'll wear a college shirt every once

1118
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 1: in a while, um, not all the time. We both

1119
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: typically take our hats off because you don't want your

1120
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: face to be covered up. Don't don't look like you

1121
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: just we're tramping around in their backyard, you know, like

1122
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: you've been in the woods all day. Just kind of

1123
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: be you know, clean, just clean and presentable. And I

1124
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: mean it's all about making them as comfortable as possible,

1125
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 1: as quickly as possible, because you have like a very

1126
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: short window to do that before they're like no, not

1127
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: not interested, Just get off my front porch. So I

1128
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: mean there's there's different things that like we've we've kind

1129
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: of learned over the years, even before we choose what

1130
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: house to knock on. I mean, you can tell you

1131
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: can tell a lot about a person just by the

1132
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: car they drive, or the flags they have on the

1133
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: front of their house, or you know they're uh, they're political,

1134
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: I guess posters in their front yards. So, um, I

1135
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: think you can kind of make your own inferences from there.

1136
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: And then just just you know, if you can just

1137
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: kind of the first thing, just kind of get them

1138
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: say something that gets them comfortable, start a conversation and

1139
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: about something in their yard or just like find common

1140
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: ground I guess, um, just to get the conversation go

1141
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: and get them talking, to get them kind of involved

1142
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: in the conversation. And then, um, I think it's super

1143
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: important kind of on along the lines of what least

1144
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: said is like present that you are very experienced and

1145
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: what you're asking to do on their property. So a

1146
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,959
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, I'll start out with, hey,

1147
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: like I've I've been hunting in this area for twelve years,

1148
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: Like I've lived right down the road. Um, you know,

1149
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: I've I've just been trying to find a few more

1150
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: spots to go to bow hunt for deer. I know

1151
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: there's a ton of them around here. Um, you have

1152
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: one of the largest, one of the largest lots in

1153
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: the neighborhood or something, I'd love to be able to

1154
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: do this on your property. And then they start asking questions, obviously,

1155
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: and you just have to be prepared to answer all

1156
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: the questions. You know, they might bring up, um like

1157
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, liability issues, or they might think you're

1158
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna shoot their dog or the neighbors kids or something

1159
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: playing back there. Um, and they may they may have

1160
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: questions about the actual you know, hunting regulations. So you

1161
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: just have to be able to answer those questions. Um,

1162
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: we gotta we get a quickly. Yeah, I would agree

1163
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: with through on like, you know, having your just kind

1164
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: of acting like, you know, this is nothing new to you,

1165
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: You've been doing this for a while. But I also

1166
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: am a big believer in like making your own story,

1167
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: developing your own story. So you know, if it's a

1168
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid and this is his first story

1169
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: that he's knocked on, be honest with them. You know,

1170
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: you can talk about, Hey, you know, both hunting in

1171
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: Atlanta or whatever city wherever you're at. You know, it's

1172
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: it's I know it's becoming popular, and you know I've

1173
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: been doing my homework. I've been really practicing a lot,

1174
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: and you know that, to be honest with you, this

1175
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: is my first time knocking on a door or and

1176
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty nervous about it. But I just wanted to

1177
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: have a conversation with you, like like tell your own story.

1178
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: Don't don't make something up, but like to be honest,

1179
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: but but kind of show them, almost make yourself a

1180
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: little vulnerable to them to where it just kind of

1181
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: takes their guard down. It helps them kind of connect

1182
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: with you. So just because you know someone else's story

1183
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: is is kind of different than mine. Yeah, we've we've

1184
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time. Doesn't mean you

1185
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: have to like, you know, try and paint that picture

1186
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: that that this is something you've been doing forever. But

1187
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of like paint your own picture, like tell your

1188
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: own story kind of however, that is just kind of

1189
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: connect I think that's the biggest thing is being able

1190
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: to connect with that land under where they kind of

1191
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: see like hey there it's a good kid, or you know,

1192
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, there could be a friendship here. Like you know,

1193
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: I would like to this kid that to hunt on

1194
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: my property. I think he would as a landowner or

1195
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,959
Speaker 1: a homeowner, but like I think it would it would

1196
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: make me a kind of smile to see him get

1197
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: it here. Um, So that's kind of what I would say.

1198
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: It's just like, find something that works for you and

1199
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: developed that and it just takes time, and it takes

1200
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: a lot of rejections because we get a lot of rejections,

1201
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: and you find out what works, you find out what

1202
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: doesn't work, and you just kind of tailor it from

1203
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: there going forward. I mean, I think that that first

1204
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: year we knocked on doors when we were sixteen, I

1205
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: bet you we knocked on at least sixty doors and

1206
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: one of them said yes. Yeah. Well at that time, yeah,

1207
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: for sure, numbers game. But it was like that first

1208
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: year was the biggest learning experience for us. And now

1209
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: that we've kind of developed our approach, like our success

1210
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: rate of getting someone to say yes is substantially higher now.

1211
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: The I guess the next question then, is so you

1212
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: you get how many different places like this if you're

1213
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: going into a season with the kind of goals that

1214
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: you guys have. So if you were, we're gonna assume

1215
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: that you're relatively experienced deer hunters listening to this, and

1216
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: you want to try to hunt mature bucks. Maybe you're

1217
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: trying to do that in a suburban environment. Um, but

1218
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: these properties are pretty small, maybe half acre, maybe five

1219
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: acres somewhere around there. How many different spots like that

1220
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: do you, guys try to have access to coming into

1221
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: a given season that would put you in a position

1222
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: where you feel good enough about having a chance at,

1223
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 1: you know, finding the kind of deer you're looking for.

1224
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: M hm. May as we can. Yeah, I mean it's

1225
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: it completely depends on you know, what your goals are.

1226
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: We all, I mean, we always try to the goal

1227
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: is to be able to get on a good buck,

1228
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, early season. So we're gonna go, We're gonna

1229
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: keep searching in the summertime until we find the one

1230
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: that we want to hunt. And uh and just pinpoint

1231
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, his his core area. Um. And then I

1232
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: mean I'll give you if you if you find where

1233
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: he is in the summertime, that you should have an

1234
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: opportunity early season for you know, a couple of weeks

1235
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: at least, uh to have a chance at him. But

1236
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 1: then you know, obviously everything changes, um, once October rolls around,

1237
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: once once the runt rolls around, So there's different there's

1238
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: different types of areas that we will target for different

1239
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: times of the season. And you know, if you're if

1240
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: you're targeting a buck during late October November, like you

1241
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: need to have a bunch of spots to to really

1242
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: have a good opportunity at killing that deer, especially if

1243
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: there's other hunters hunting that deer. Um. I mean, Lee's

1244
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: got one right now that I don't. I don't even

1245
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: know how many spots you have, but I know you

1246
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: have like seven cameras out at seven October, cellular cameras

1247
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: out for him, and these you're just you know, make

1248
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: their rounds. They just travel a loop that could be

1249
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: two miles, it could be ten miles, um. So just yeah,

1250
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: the more spots you have, the better I mean, the

1251
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: more you know about that year that the better odds

1252
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: you are getting a pattern and just being at the

1253
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: right place at the right time. So I think that's

1254
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: something that is different that we do that that most

1255
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: people don't. And I'll kind of circle back again to

1256
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: that that first spot that we got. I told you that,

1257
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, we would always get four or five six

1258
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: shooters coming through there in November, and it was like

1259
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: some of those dear you could tell we're a little

1260
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: more local, showed up more often. And those were usually

1261
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: the ones that, you know, when we hunted enough, we

1262
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: get a chance at. But there was like, you know,

1263
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: two or three of those bucks where we had no

1264
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: clue where they were coming from. They were only there,

1265
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, once or twice, just kind of very inconsistent

1266
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: and always at night. And it's like, well, you know, that,

1267
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: dear is just that's just his behavior. He's not huntable.

1268
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: We'll we'll never you know, kill that here. He's just

1269
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: nocturnal or whatever. And so like we kind of ruled

1270
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,799
Speaker 1: those deer out and so kind of fast forwarding. For example,

1271
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: like Drew had a spot where I mean it was

1272
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: like a it was like a hundred ninety it had

1273
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: to have been a hunter nine year and it was

1274
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: only coming at night, like the whole season, and we

1275
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, the year's unkillable. He'll just it

1276
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: was just our inexperience. But it was just like that,

1277
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's not he's not he's not killable. You know,

1278
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, might as well go hunt a different here.

1279
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: But what we do and have have kind of learned

1280
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: is that that beer is showing up somewhere he's got

1281
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: a place he's more comfortable with. It's more more close

1282
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 1: to where he likes to bed down and more of

1283
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: his time, and you gotta go find it. So all

1284
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: a lot of our competition and other hunters here in Atlanta,

1285
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, they have a family friend that they get

1286
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: to put a camera out, or you know, they live

1287
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: there and they put a camera out, and they have

1288
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: that one spot and that one spot where they get

1289
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: a picture of a buck and he's you know, maybe

1290
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: showing up there pretty good a bit. Maybe he's just

1291
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: kind of really sporadic. But what we do that's different

1292
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: than that person that just has one spot is when

1293
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: we when we locate that deer kind of like Drew

1294
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: was saying, we'll go get ten other spots around it

1295
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: and just kind of a scattered plot in all directions

1296
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: from where that picture was taken of that deer, and

1297
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: we really start kind of putting putting the pieces together

1298
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: on where he's spending more time. We get really mobile

1299
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: with these deer, kind of going after him moving around

1300
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot. Didn't places, you know, ten spots to hunt

1301
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 1: one deer as to where most guys will have, you know,

1302
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: they're one spot and they'll they'll get the picture of

1303
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: the deer and they'll just kind of ride it out

1304
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: that spot. Maybe it happens there, maybe it doesn't, but yeah,

1305
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: that's that's something we do. I think that's been our

1306
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: biggest kind of secret that we've had to success, is

1307
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: that we go after the deer and really find out

1308
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: where they like to spend time. And just I think

1309
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: it increases our odds so much when we can really

1310
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: do our homework, um, studying tin cameras instead of just

1311
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: one and be like, yeah, this this is the place

1312
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: where he's spending the most time. This is where we

1313
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: didn't go after and that I mean that kind of

1314
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: goes back to the whole naming of the deer thing,

1315
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: like it just first of all, it makes it way

1316
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: easier to talk about these deer when we when we

1317
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: have a name for him, instead of trying to like

1318
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 1: describe what they are, like the eight pointer with the

1319
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: kickers and the drop time or whatever. But it also

1320
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: just like chasing them down like that and spending so

1321
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: much time, you know, getting permission and and putting cameras

1322
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: out and whatnot, it just makes it so much more

1323
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: personal and you just like have this attachment to this

1324
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: dear because you put so much effort into it, and

1325
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: so it's just almost like they deserve a name just

1326
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: because you know they're they're a formidable opponent for sure,

1327
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: Like this dear could be right under your nose and

1328
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: still he's you know, he's outsmarting you almost every single time.

1329
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Lee's got a deer right now that he's

1330
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: we know that this deer is like in this little

1331
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: block of woods and Lee's got them surrounded, but he's not.

1332
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: He and he shows up like at night or in

1333
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: the middle of the day, just like randomly in the

1334
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: middle of the day. And this year, just like he knows,

1335
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: he knows what's up, Like he knows when there's cameras out.

1336
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: He knows when we walked back there into his black woods.

1337
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean camera it's it's kind of crazy.

1338
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he he's completely no curnal at

1339
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: least for now. But the only time he'll show up

1340
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: in daylight is like high noon, noon, one o'clock. It's like, sorry, man,

1341
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not gonna be hunting up all

1342
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: day from noon to one like one. I've got a

1343
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: job at too. You know that's just kind of crazy,

1344
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: because I mean he shows up maybe maybe once a week,

1345
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: once every other week at like noon. It's like I

1346
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: have to sit for fourteen days all day just try

1347
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: and get that one chance at him at noon. So

1348
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: I think sometimes he's zer are just smarter than we

1349
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: give him credit for. Um. I think sometimes they really

1350
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: know more about what's going on than we really understand.

1351
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: So so, speaking then of that process and challenge of

1352
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: trying to figure out these deer a little bit better

1353
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: than they have us figured out, let's talk about how

1354
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: you end up scouting these spots and and scouting and

1355
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: understanding these individual deer too. So let's say you've got

1356
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: permission on a bunch of these properties. Now, how do

1357
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: you go in there and figure out how do you

1358
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: hear using it? How do you find these individual bucks

1359
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: and then tighten the noose a little bit on them?

1360
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: Walk me through all the scouting, what kind of stuff matters,

1361
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: what doesn't matter, etcetera. Mm hm, Well, I mean I

1362
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: think it just depends on what time of year it is. Um,

1363
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: we can start with early seasons. Uh, luckily you were

1364
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: saying before. I mean, tad zoo is one thing that

1365
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: we look for a lot of the time in the summer, um,

1366
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: just something you know, just like anywhere. I mean, it

1367
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily dis pertain to the suburbs, but a buck

1368
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: wants food, cover, and water. Um, So you get need

1369
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: to find like in a secluded spot that's got all

1370
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: three of those things to where the deer doesn't have

1371
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: to move, you know, more than a couple of acres um.

1372
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: So I mean we'll look for that in the summertime

1373
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: a lot of times. Um. It's kind of weird how

1374
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: these deer uh travel and kind of pick the sauce

1375
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: that they're gonna hide in. But more and more often,

1376
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is just do the hunting

1377
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: pressure or just I don't know just how these year act.

1378
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: But we'll go find like the smallest block of woods

1379
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: in the most secluded area, even when there's you know,

1380
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: a hundred two hundred acres of woods with everything they

1381
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: could possibly need, um, you know, within a half a

1382
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: mile away. Um. So let'll just we'll get off into

1383
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: these little tiny blocks of woods all summer long until

1384
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, late October, and then they'll go into these

1385
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: big blocks of woods to go find dose and stuff

1386
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: to chase around her in the rut. I don't know

1387
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: if it's like they feel like really tight, kind of

1388
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: bummed up, like everything is kind of just bubbled bottle

1389
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 1: them up in there. But Drew's all right, like it

1390
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: can't be open woods, so it's gotta be like really

1391
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: really stick but sometimes super small little pockets. It's just like,

1392
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if they just feel like everything around

1393
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: them is just kind of wrapping them up and they

1394
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: just feel secure in there. But I mean, and they

1395
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: can take over the whole area easily. Um, So yeah,

1396
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean that's what we look for early season. And

1397
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: what makes this even harder, which I want to make clear,

1398
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: is like you can't just go stick cameras out anywhere

1399
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: you want, Like you have to have permission to even

1400
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: get scouting on that property. So that, I mean that

1401
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: increases the time it takes by a hundred because you

1402
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: have to go and actually get permission before you can

1403
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: even know what the you know, what the woods are like,

1404
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: if there's water, if there's even you know, good year

1405
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: back there. So we we spent weeks trying to get

1406
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: one landen or so yes because we thought it was

1407
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: a good spot, and we run a camera to the

1408
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: whole year just to find out that there was not

1409
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: a shooter there at all. It's like, well, that's a

1410
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks was a huge waste of time. Not

1411
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: not saying there won't be something there eventually, but like

1412
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you know a lot of these places

1413
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: you get are just dead ends, and that's why you

1414
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: gotta have a lot of different things working. Um I

1415
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: would say really like starting like right now is when

1416
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: and even earlier to kind of answer your scouting question

1417
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: is we love to use mox scrapes to get pictures

1418
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: of deer, especially bucked and our deer gets can get

1419
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: really territorial, so we loved and we'll you know, bend

1420
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: branches down and do all kind of stuff to get

1421
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: like the perfect looking branch and and break out just

1422
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: a huge scrape and we'll put in scent and attractions

1423
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And you know that's how we

1424
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: get a lot of our pictures this time of year

1425
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: and actually have a lot of our success too. Is

1426
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: just really kind of pissing a deer off, getting in

1427
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: an area where he likes and using a scrape to

1428
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: just you know, kind of draw him back. The key

1429
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: them kind of defending that little area. So yeah, and

1430
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: one time, good I was just gonna say, that's that's

1431
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: a really big cool of ours. Yeah. Um, one thing

1432
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: we've kind of started to figure out is a lot

1433
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: of times he's older mature bucks. If you run, you know,

1434
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: a pile of corn or something, we'll come to it

1435
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: once or twice. Yeah. So yeah, baiting bill passed this year.

1436
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: You can hunt over bait. That's kind of what UM

1437
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: has helped us kind of realize this. But we've all

1438
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 1: we've realized it in the past. Is these mature, mature

1439
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: deer know when you're getting punted, or maybe they know

1440
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: when they're getting pictures taken on them, because they'll come

1441
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: to a bay pile once or twice and then they

1442
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: won't come back to it again, at least not you know,

1443
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: not in daylight. So maks Graith is a much more

1444
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 1: natural way to kind of get pictures a deer and

1445
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: keep them around longer and uh, keep them from being suspicious.

1446
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's really uninvasive. It's it's just really really natural.

1447
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: Uh So I know, I know what your next question

1448
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 1: is gonna be. You mean to head you off at

1449
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: the past, How has how has the vading bill affected

1450
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: y'all's deer season? What's Yeah, that's one of the things

1451
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 1: that in my mind. So it's been kind of weird

1452
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: for us this year. Um, you know, we've kind of

1453
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: had to almost go back to the drawing board a

1454
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: little bit on how learning how to kind of incorporate

1455
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: vading and how it is effective, how it's not effective,

1456
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: and we're still trying to figure that out. Um. But

1457
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that we've kind of learned is like,

1458
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: for example, the year I'm after, he uh hates a

1459
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: pile of corn. Like he'll kind of come to it

1460
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: at night every now and then, but mostly he'll just

1461
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of linger in the back. He won't really come

1462
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: to it. And I think it's just like he knows

1463
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: it's not natural that was put there, and that he's

1464
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's just not it's not right in them.

1465
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: So he's automatically kind of on edge when he sees that.

1466
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: And I've got you know, I've got hunters literally, not

1467
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 1: like you know a few hundred yards away or you know,

1468
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: a couple of miles away. I've got a dude next

1469
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: door to the hunting and he's got feeders out and

1470
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: I just I think that he is leery of that

1471
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 1: feeder because he doesn't really go over there, but he

1472
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: comes to me a lot more. And what I'm doing

1473
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: is instead of having a feeder or a pile like

1474
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,520
Speaker 1: out kind of I've got we're kind of we're still experimenting.

1475
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: I've got places where we're not baiting, and we're running

1476
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: cameras on scrapes and things like that, and white oaks

1477
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: that we've got dropping. Uh. And then I've got a

1478
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: place where I'm baiting, but I'm like kind of fancasting

1479
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: the corn out instead of like a pile and just

1480
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: kind of throwing it out just like if it were

1481
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: falling off a tree. I think you're like to still

1482
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: kind of graze around and feed around instead of walking

1483
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: up to a big pile and start eating out of it.

1484
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,440
Speaker 1: I think it's just a little more natural to them. Um.

1485
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: That seems to have helped me kind of get more

1486
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: pictures of bucks um and just kind of get better activity. Uh.

1487
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: Is just doing that So to kind of answer your question, Uh,

1488
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: it's still kind of to beat it. Well, I guess

1489
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: my question. Uh, it's kind of still like to be

1490
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: determined on exactly how it's gonna affect our season. Um,

1491
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, we went the first what two or three

1492
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: weeks now the season has been opened and we haven't

1493
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: killed a deer yet. So just because you can hunt

1494
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: over bait doesn't mean it's making it easier for us.

1495
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: At least. Yeah, you get younger deer that come to it,

1496
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: But as far as like a you know, five plus,

1497
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: it's just you know, and that's that does the type

1498
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: of year we're going after, it's just so far for

1499
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: us that has the help. So so two things. Number one,

1500
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: I wish more of my guests were like you and

1501
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: would just ask their own questions. They ask a question,

1502
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: they answer their own question, they ask it. I could

1503
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: kick back and drink a beer and have a much

1504
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: easier time. Um. And number two, I want to go

1505
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: back to, um, the camera side of things that you

1506
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: talked about how you ran cameras on some piles, You've

1507
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: ran some cameras on the mox scrapes, and how the

1508
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: mox scrapes seem to be more natural and maybe work

1509
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Um. I want a little more

1510
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: detail on the camera strategy. So are you just putting

1511
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: like one camera out on each little property? Or do

1512
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: you have some kind of method to the madness as

1513
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: far as like how many acres you want per section

1514
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: or anything like that, And do you change that from

1515
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: early season to the run or is there any other

1516
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: things going on there as far as your camera strategy?

1517
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: And I guess, well more I do I do this.

1518
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: I do like these rapid fire ten questions at once,

1519
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: and it's probably tough on people. Um, what about when

1520
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: you get one specific deer that you're after, you you

1521
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: put the camera out there, you get zeus on there, like,

1522
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: holy smokes, this is the deer I want to hunt.

1523
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: Do you then like take your cameras from everywhere else

1524
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: and then blanket this one little area? Um, answer all

1525
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: those les. Definitely, we're going to get television on a deer.

1526
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: He uh when he finds that one deer that he wants.

1527
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: So Lee has like I can't I don't even know

1528
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: how many properties he has in Atlanta, but it's over

1529
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: that he has permission on and he'll get he'll find

1530
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: this one box that he wants to kill, and he'll

1531
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: pull all of his cameras and I won't even look

1532
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 1: at other properties the rest of the season, at least

1533
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: until he kills that deer and just you know, uses

1534
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: all those resources to uh to hunt that deer, which

1535
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot of times, like that's what

1536
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: it takes for some of these mature bucks. Um. And

1537
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: you know there's there's always getting mad and bad for

1538
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: me because I forget about spots I have. Yeah. Uh,

1539
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm over here trying to find a year to kill

1540
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: and I can't find one. And he's got like all

1541
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: these awesome spots that he don't even have cameras out at.

1542
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of frustrating. But um, but no, I mean

1543
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,919
Speaker 1: as far as camera strategy goes, it just completely depends

1544
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: on the property. You know, the layout of the property,

1545
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: the size, um, what you're running it over. Time of year,

1546
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: I think early season. You know, it's just it's all

1547
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: about getting as many cameras out in as many different

1548
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: places as you can. Um in early season, you know,

1549
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: running it over corn isn't gonna isn't gonna bother the deer.

1550
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: They know that they're not being hunted hunted that time

1551
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: of year, all right, I guess not early season, but

1552
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: pree preseason, um will come to a polecorn in daylight.

1553
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: So it's you know, you could be getting pictures of

1554
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 1: a group of bucks at one spot, and then a

1555
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: hundred yards two hundred yards away there's a completely different

1556
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 1: group of bucks. And you know, you just have to

1557
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: continue to move your cameras around that time of year

1558
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: see everything that's out there. When when I too, like

1559
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: late October November rolls around. Just like Lee was saying

1560
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: about that first spot that we got, there's so many

1561
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: little pockets of woods scattered through these neighborhoods that bucks

1562
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: hide in, and when they start moving, they just come

1563
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: out of come out of the woodwork. Like we think

1564
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: that we have this whole area covered with cameras and

1565
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: we know all the year there and that's never the case.

1566
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: Like we are always surprised when a giant buck shows

1567
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: up and we're like, where in the world did that bear?

1568
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: Tone from the perfect example that is our buddy just

1569
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: killed a twenty pointer, believe it or not, like a

1570
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: week ago, and he had pictures of that beer two

1571
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: years ago. I had just a few pictures of it.

1572
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: Never saw the deer again for two years. The year

1573
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: was just gone. And he was like, well, you know,

1574
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: I guess someone who got hit by car or you

1575
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: know whatever, and hoole. He shows back up this year

1576
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,480
Speaker 1: and he's at twenty points and he, you know, successfully

1577
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: took that deer. But Drew was like right next to him.

1578
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: Drew's got spots all around him, Drew's never seen the here.

1579
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: It was just like, where in the world was this dear?

1580
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: Where did he come from? Where was he hiding? He's

1581
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: twenty points, He's pretty recognizable. Um so yeah, I mean

1582
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: the they literally just like sometimes they're just ghosts and

1583
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: just vanish and we don't know that. I think that's

1584
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: something that intrigues us so much about him, is that,

1585
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes when you kill a deer, you

1586
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: get people that message you and they say, oh, yeah,

1587
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: I I took yourself him here. I was hunting with

1588
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: your here, And you're like really because they're you know,

1589
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 1: five miles from you, and um, you know they're there.

1590
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 1: Just seems to be when you can kind of put

1591
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: the missing information that you wish you had kind of

1592
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 1: along the way together and it just sometimes it amazes you.

1593
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: Where do these deer travel from, where they come from,

1594
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: where they go and things like that. But um, kind

1595
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: of what Drew said about like sometimes and it's kind

1596
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 1: of circling back to your question of you know, putting

1597
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: out cameras. Do we try and you know spread them

1598
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: out or close together kind of? Sometimes we will literally

1599
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: put cameras. I know, for uh, this year that I'm after,

1600
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: I've got cameras and some of them are you know,

1601
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: a hundred yards from each other, and I get completely

1602
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: different activity on each of them. I get bucks on

1603
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: the camera hundred yards away that I've never seen on

1604
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: the other one that's a hundred yards to the beast

1605
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: of it. So sometimes it's like, you know, very very

1606
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 1: small amounts of movement of distance. Where you put it,

1607
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get completely new dear. Um. So sometimes yeah,

1608
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean we're putting cameras out that are a hundred

1609
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: yards apart. Sometimes there are two miles apart, three miles apart.

1610
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: So uh, we always have kind of operated under the

1611
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: code of leave no stone unturned, um, So you know,

1612
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: we are not afraid to put cameras just a hunt

1613
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: as a little as the hundred yards apart from each other,

1614
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: even if it's just you know, crossing one little neighborhood road. Um,

1615
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 1: you just get all kinds of new activity from each

1616
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: do you do you do you do anything different as

1617
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: far as your camera placement to account for they're being

1618
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: more people walking around maybe. I mean, if you're putting

1619
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 1: a camera in someone's backyard, do you worry about that

1620
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: or do you worry about them seeing it and being

1621
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: weirded out or taking it or or does that not happen?

1622
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: It happens. It happens all of the time a lot.

1623
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 1: And actually one thing that's kind of help that is

1624
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: we started using uh cellular cameras, and I think when

1625
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: people walk across that in the woods and they see

1626
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: a big intent on it, they immediately realize that we

1627
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: already have a picture of them. So a lot of

1628
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: times I end up end up leaving it. But I

1629
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: mean we don't do this and a lot of people

1630
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: we'll put them kind of up in trees facing down. Um,

1631
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: but I mean we just always try to We always

1632
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: try to pick a tree that's not obvious, it's not

1633
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: like out and open and like use like lock boxes

1634
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, there's some places like it's guaranteed to

1635
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: get stolen unless you have a lock box on it.

1636
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: So the place where this year that I'm kind of

1637
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: after that, I mean, this year should be like way

1638
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: over two. Um, it's in the it's in like the ghetto.

1639
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: Like it is very very very sketchy. So all the

1640
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 1: cameras I have there, I have like double bolted to

1641
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: the tree. Uh, and we do that. We'll do the

1642
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: same with our stands of of you know, bolting into

1643
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,799
Speaker 1: the tree because we've you're just getting a different dynamic

1644
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: in the city that you know, you're gonna have people

1645
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: walking across your stuff and um, so you know, yeah,

1646
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: we've we've dealt with in the past and a lot

1647
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: of stuff getting stolen. Yeah, we've some places we've beat

1648
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: up our security and another aspect of it because you

1649
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: just you don't want people knowing that you're hunting back there.

1650
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: I guess you never know who the neighbor is. I mean,

1651
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: if they're a huge anti hunter and they see your

1652
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 1: stand or your camera back there, you know they could

1653
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: they could call the neighbor and freak out and you

1654
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: lose permission. So just flying under the radar in every

1655
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: aspect um is super super important. Yea, So how do

1656
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: you do that? I've seen some of your videos, like

1657
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: you're thinking about when you go in and out of

1658
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: your stands, waiting until after darks that people want to

1659
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: see you things like that. Can you elaborate a little

1660
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: bit on how you can stealth mode hunt in the suburbs. Yeah. So,

1661
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: first of all, I've made this mistake many times. I'm

1662
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,799
Speaker 1: sure Lee has too. Is once if you get a spot,

1663
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:53,560
Speaker 1: it's on a certain street and it's a good spot, Um,

1664
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: don't don't knock on any more doors because you can

1665
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: knock on you know, you may try to string a

1666
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: few properties to the other just so you have room

1667
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: to move. But odds are someone who's not going to

1668
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: be um in favor of hunting, and you could end

1669
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 1: up losing that spot that you already have. So something

1670
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: already happen this Yeah, it happened just this year on

1671
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: a giant deer that kindles hunting and uh permission. Yeah,

1672
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: and the deer's been shown up there in daylight ever since.

1673
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: So that's that's the first aspect. And then you know,

1674
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: just a lot of times, will carry your camera, just

1675
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 1: wear street clothes and put our camera on kind of

1676
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: like behind the house. Um, we'll try not Yeah, we'll

1677
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: try not to park, you know, our trucks on the street.

1678
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 1: We'll try to We'll try to get permission to pull

1679
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: our cars, like down the driveway and I'll come in

1680
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 1: side of the house. There's a There's have been times

1681
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: where I think it was for Zeus to actually, uh

1682
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: Lee drove his dad's Mercedes or something like in the

1683
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: borrow car a little Backfie'll run flyer the radar so

1684
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 1: people don't see this truck sitting on the side that

1685
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: Roy is gonna block the woods and be like, yeah,

1686
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: I wonder what that guy's doing. And some of these

1687
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: spots are so precious that like you just do everything

1688
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,879
Speaker 1: you can to not lose permission. Like for for example,

1689
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 1: this year, we call them nine Lives. You know, Kindle's

1690
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: actually hunting him here showing up all summer um, you know,

1691
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,600
Speaker 1: season open, and he was kind of gone for a

1692
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but then like boom, he shows back

1693
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: up for Kindles over there hunting, hunting, hunting, And then

1694
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: I guess a neighbor took note of his truck and

1695
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: basically found out he was hunting, went to like I'm

1696
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,759
Speaker 1: not kidding, went to every single neighbor on that entire

1697
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: street in that neighborhood and made a huge deal about it.

1698
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: I mean, just completely blew it out of proportion, and

1699
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 1: Kendall had like two or three spots in this neighborhood

1700
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: and lost all of them at the drop of a

1701
01:32:55,880 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: half because of one neighborhood. And like Drew said, literally

1702
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: the day after he lost permission, this deer shows up

1703
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: like six pm, broad daylight, and then like the next

1704
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 1: day boom shows up again like day like just almost

1705
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: like taunting him. He just yeah, Um, So we really

1706
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: try to treat every spot that we get with just

1707
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: really tender hands, and we that might have been a

1708
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: weird way to say it, but we streed him with

1709
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: care because we take care of our landowner. You know,

1710
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: we'll bringing gift cards or you know, honey, big ham

1711
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: or kind of whatever, thanks to doing just stuff that

1712
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, they wouldn't expect you to do. That really

1713
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: kind of locks in that they want you to be there,

1714
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: but to you know, just we dress in normal clothes.

1715
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: Like for zeus, you know, I was afraid of losing

1716
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 1: any of these spots because that was the biggest deer

1717
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 1: we've ever hunted, and it's like you lose one spot

1718
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: and then it's like you may not get it chance

1719
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 1: of that dear. So I was leaving my bow and

1720
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,759
Speaker 1: my bowcase under these people's back deck with all my camo.

1721
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 1: So whenever we would part, we'd walk back in normal clothes,

1722
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: changed under their back back by their swing set, and

1723
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,719
Speaker 1: then walk through the woods and get in our stand

1724
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: and then coming out, take off the clothes, put the

1725
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: bow back in the case. And it was just so

1726
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: that we were always seeing coming out, not in camo,

1727
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: not with a bow and stuff like that. Um so

1728
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's kind of it's it's really important. Also,

1729
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: we we don't put any hunting stickers on our trucks

1730
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: because if people see a truck with hunting sticker, just

1731
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: rais his red flags. And um yeah, there's kind of

1732
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: a lot of things we do to just try and

1733
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: have a small foot front as possible. So so I'm

1734
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of skipping a bunch of steps here, so I'm

1735
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna jump to the end and then I'm gonna pull

1736
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: us back. But what about the situation where you've shot

1737
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: a deer and you are now tracking it or trying

1738
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: to recover a deer. Given all these things we've just

1739
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,640
Speaker 1: talked about, trying to stay under the radar, trying not

1740
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: to tick off people who maybe don't like hunters. How

1741
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: do you handle that whole deal? This is where the

1742
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 1: fun begins. Yeah, so promote Georgia. You you cannot legally,

1743
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,799
Speaker 1: you cannot regally go on someone else's property without permission,

1744
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: even if you've shot a deer, killed the deer whatever.

1745
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 1: A lot of states, you know, they allow you to

1746
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: do that here. I mean, some people say you can

1747
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 1: call the game boarden. If if the game warden came

1748
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: out there and helped you, he'd be doing you a favor.

1749
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: Like that is not normal occurrence. So yeah, I mean

1750
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,679
Speaker 1: you have to go knock on their door and get

1751
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 1: permission and and say, hey, do you mind if I

1752
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: retreat this deer off your property? So the Zeus story

1753
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: is another perfect example that leads this dear God, I

1754
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: don't know what fifty yards maybe yard off the property.

1755
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 1: And Lee had to go knock on this lady's door

1756
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock at night, and she was definitely asleep,

1757
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: and she came out in her nightgown and just like

1758
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 1: basically wanted to lead it. She was just like s

1759
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 1: contin used and Lee orchards magic and somehow convinced her

1760
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: that it wasn't a big deal, and and she said yes,

1761
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: but I mean if she had to know, like it

1762
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 1: would be to her, we'd be scrambling trying to get

1763
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: maybe asked the game ward to help us out, or

1764
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: I mean it's if that doesn't work out, then I

1765
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: mean there's really nothing you can do. Yeah, I mean

1766
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: if that, if that lady would have said, no, I

1767
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: can't go get that deer. You know, thirty yards across

1768
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 1: our property line. There's nothing you can do about it.

1769
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: So you know, in that case, if that would have happened,

1770
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 1: we probably would have called the game warden and had

1771
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: him trying to help out that situation. Um. But yeah,

1772
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: I mean we've we've had some look this of Atlanta,

1773
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: it's a melting pot. Not everybody here and loves hunting.

1774
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 1: And you learn that when you knock on a hundred doors,

1775
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: we get all kind of reactions from people, anything and

1776
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 1: everything from the sun. I've I've literally knocked on the

1777
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 1: door before they had a giant totem pole in their

1778
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 1: front yard, like it was kind of weird. But whatever

1779
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,560
Speaker 1: knocked on the door and I was like, hey, you know,

1780
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 1: gave my little spiel and basically asked her to hunt,

1781
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: and she was like she just looked at me like

1782
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 1: her jaw and hit the floor and was just like

1783
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: you see that totem pole like yeah, it's like you

1784
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 1: see the top of it. Like yeah. She was, well,

1785
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: that's are you know some so and so symbol of

1786
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: the deer and that like that is our God, that

1787
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: is our religion, that is our faith. You are literally

1788
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: murdering our god. Gets the f off my property? And

1789
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: she called the cops, And I mean, you're you're, you know,

1790
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: knocking on people's doors. You're doing what you're supposed to

1791
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: be doing, but still people call the cops on you,

1792
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:04,560
Speaker 1: and cops show up and causes Shane so like you,

1793
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: just like you, you get all kind of reactions from

1794
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 1: people that are like, you know, I hate the dear,

1795
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 1: kill them all. And then you get people that are like,

1796
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 1: no that I worship here. So um that in your

1797
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: question on the Even in the Zoos video, even after

1798
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: we got permissions to retrieve them, you can see in

1799
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 1: the video like we're tracking without flashlights. I think Leasy

1800
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: using his cell zone light to follow the blood. And

1801
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 1: that's because I mean there's other houses, you know, backing

1802
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 1: up to those properties, and if they see some some

1803
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 1: people snooping around with slashlights in the middle of the night,

1804
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 1: like they're gonna, they're gonna. So. Um, you just have

1805
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 1: to be mindful of everyone around you, even if you're

1806
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: doing everything legally, Like, you just want to draw as

1807
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 1: little attention to yourself as possible in that in that scenario.

1808
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 1: But there have been cases where, uh, I've told the

1809
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 1: story before, but when uh, when there's a blood trail

1810
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 1: going down the middle of a sidewalk's hard to find

1811
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: under the radar. That's definitely happened to us before. But

1812
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: when deer cross roads bleeding, it's a great place to

1813
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,560
Speaker 1: find blood. If you lose blood, just go up to

1814
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: the sidewalk and you know, you can see him clear

1815
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,799
Speaker 1: as day. If there's a good blood trail going across

1816
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 1: the road, you pick it back up. Man. Now, what

1817
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 1: about getting a deer in, you know, from the woods

1818
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: into your vehicle? Do you wrap them up in a

1819
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: tarp or something like that and carry him out? I mean,

1820
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 1: if assuming you can't get your truck back to the

1821
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 1: wood edge, Um, I mean, people might think you're pulling

1822
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:45,680
Speaker 1: a body out. Yeah, I'm gonna say, we don't use

1823
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: tarps for that reason. This is Atlanta. Yeah, people would

1824
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: definitely think for dragging a dead body out. But we uh,

1825
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 1: we like to um a lot of times well you know,

1826
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 1: if it's in the evening, we'll just wait till it's

1827
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: like completely dark. Um. But other times we'll get our

1828
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: truck as close as we possibly can to the woods

1829
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,560
Speaker 1: and we'll kind of have a scout of, like you know,

1830
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 1: looking around, making sure nobody's looking, and then we'll just

1831
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: do it as quick as we possibly can. So it

1832
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: is exactly like pulling a dead body out. Oh man,

1833
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 1: I quite the process. That's uh, quite the process. Okay,

1834
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 1: so let's let's let's rewind then back to where we

1835
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 1: were in the whole journey though. So we've we've gotten permission,

1836
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 1: we've ran cameras, we're finding the deer were interested in hunting.

1837
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 1: Now you actually start hunting these deer, um, And maybe

1838
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 1: maybe you can use an example like this mega deer

1839
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: you're hunting this year, lead or anything you've been chasing, Drew,

1840
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: how what's your mindset as the season begins and you

1841
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: go through the year, Um, what kind of spots are

1842
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 1: you typically keing in on, Like are you just hunting

1843
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,600
Speaker 1: where you get these pictures or do you focus on

1844
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: all right, food sources in the early seasons, pinch points

1845
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: during the ruck kind of like guys are doing across

1846
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the country. Um, kind of walk us

1847
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: through that year of of hunting style strategy. Well, I mean,

1848
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: I think you definitely have to be cognizant of the

1849
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: changing food source. Um. You know, right now is when

1850
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: acorn trees start dropping. Um. But I mean we're we're

1851
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: not hunting until we have daylight for multiple daylight pictures

1852
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: of that that book. So um, we're yeah, And that's

1853
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 1: something we've kind of learned the hard way over over

1854
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 1: the years. Like we used if we for a long

1855
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: time ago we got like one one daylight picture of

1856
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 1: a buck, we'd be in there every day and just

1857
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: like you know, just waiting it out, hoping he'd chow up.

1858
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 1: This season, Lee hasn't even hunted yet this season and

1859
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 1: it's been three weeks and uh, you know, he's just

1860
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,560
Speaker 1: laiting on the right time to uh to go in

1861
01:41:56,640 --> 01:42:00,040
Speaker 1: there with this little bit more damage than good and

1862
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 1: you're walking in and out, you're sending up the area.

1863
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 1: It's just not the right time to kill that deer.

1864
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: And you're just literally I think you're just shooting yourself

1865
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: in the foot if you're just going at it, you know,

1866
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: too prematurely. Yeah, and so I mean to answer your question,

1867
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 1: we this time the year, you know, we're gonna look

1868
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 1: for white oak trees um that are about to drop

1869
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: acorns or the dropping acorns, and a lot of times

1870
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 1: you know the bust will will come to those at

1871
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: some point. But that doesn't necessarily mean that those bucks

1872
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: are gonna be betting um, or that they're gonna be

1873
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: killable where those trees are. So the camera strategy of

1874
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 1: constantly moving them around and just covering as much area

1875
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: as possible really never changes. Um. The only time it

1876
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 1: may change a little bit is peak rutt and you

1877
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:48,679
Speaker 1: just you just want to be in a travel corridor

1878
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: where you're just getting as many pitchers as possible. Um.

1879
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: But so yeah, I mean this time. I think another

1880
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: thing is like we're dealing with sometimes really tight property lines,

1881
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, the the property next door

1882
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,639
Speaker 1: is the one that's got the white oaks that are falling,

1883
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: and it's just torn up with rubs and stuff, and

1884
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, they said no, can't get

1885
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 1: over there, so the beggars can't be choosers in that case.

1886
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 1: You know, we try to there's some places where our

1887
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 1: spots are an acre Crew's got a spot that's eight

1888
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 1: hundred acres, but most of them are smaller acreages, and

1889
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: you know you can't you don't have a whole lot

1890
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: of room to move around. So we try to really

1891
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 1: maximize our spots as much as possible. So what we'll

1892
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: do is, like I said, you know, we'll put in

1893
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: mock scrapes. I've actually done it this year just for

1894
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: fun to try. I've actually made rubs myself on trees

1895
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,719
Speaker 1: just to try and show signs of another dominant buck

1896
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 1: to just try and kind of fire ups out of

1897
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: their buck in there. Um. And then we'll put in

1898
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 1: uh we do a lot of food plots, a lot

1899
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: of like wheat food plots and stuff. Just really trying

1900
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 1: to maximize that little acres that you do have, try

1901
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: and show a lot of you know, deer activity. They're

1902
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: trying to draw in deer to that spot because you know,

1903
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 1: you really are limited on how mobile you can be

1904
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 1: in some of these areas, so trying to maximize you know,

1905
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: kind of the cards were dealt with. The problemy we

1906
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:20,600
Speaker 1: have is is definitely, you know, something we try to

1907
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: do for sure, and a lot I mean a lot

1908
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 1: of times, like in a lot of areas, there are

1909
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 1: acorn trees everywhere, and there's a ton of Yeah this

1910
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 1: is it's not flat land like Atlanta is pretty pretty hilly,

1911
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 1: and there's tons of creek bottoms, little draws and stuff.

1912
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 1: So you know, are area could have five different little

1913
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: streams that the deer could drink out of, It could

1914
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: have you know, a hundred different acorn trees. So it's

1915
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 1: it's pretty tough to pinpoint them based on just knowing

1916
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: where like the food sources, because it could be it

1917
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 1: could be anywhere. Um, and that just you know, lends

1918
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: itself again, so you're just covering as much as much

1919
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 1: territory as po school. Yeah, kind of going back to

1920
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 1: like how limited you are in some of these places.

1921
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 1: That first year that I told you about, Charlie, there

1922
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: was like a nine pointer. I watched them opening day

1923
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 1: of deer season, beat around in broad daylight at a

1924
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 1: hundred yards and there was nothing I could do about

1925
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 1: it because I didn't have I didn't have right the

1926
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: right permission there and he wasn't coming to my other areas.

1927
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes you really are just kind of

1928
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 1: limited there. There's just places you can't access. And I

1929
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: feel like these these deer know that, and that's kind

1930
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 1: of some of the places they hone in on. And

1931
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,760
Speaker 1: that's why you know a lot of these deer you know,

1932
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 1: find these safe areas and can get to the right

1933
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 1: age is that they've kind of found that area where

1934
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: no one can get to. And sometimes that's just it

1935
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: is what it is. Just you can't get in there,

1936
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 1: so you maximize what you can where you are to

1937
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: when he starts moving, hopefully will spend some more time

1938
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 1: kind of in your little block that you've got permission. So,

1939
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: speaking of those kinds of things, Lee, I've seen you

1940
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 1: you use these mini plots that you mentioned there where

1941
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 1: it looks like on in someone's back five acres or whatever,

1942
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: you've got this little quick and dirty, tiny food plot.

1943
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 1: Can you talk about how you get that in there

1944
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 1: and how that helps you? So what really helps is

1945
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:24,680
Speaker 1: having a hose that runs from their house. Did you

1946
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: water their food? Um? We've spent a lot of time

1947
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 1: kind of manicuring our food plots, well mostly just plant

1948
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 1: wheat um and we you know, go in and kind

1949
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 1: of brake up and blow out an area. Um. We

1950
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: we'll grow pretty much anywhere. UM. So we just kind

1951
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 1: of throw it out and it'll take and UM. Yeah, literally,

1952
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 1: I've I've like I've got those uh what are those

1953
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:57,000
Speaker 1: hoses that like expand and then shrink when you're not

1954
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 1: using them. They're kind of expensive. But you know what

1955
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 1: hoses them talking about. I don't think I do. They're

1956
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 1: like they're like we're tracking. Yeah, they're like shrivel up

1957
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:11,599
Speaker 1: when you're not using them, and then and they're super lightweight.

1958
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: And then when you look them up and have water

1959
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: coming through them, they'll like expand like balloon out. Um. Anyways,

1960
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: the point of that is that like I'll have I

1961
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,600
Speaker 1: have like four of those that I can connect, and

1962
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: I have like you know, twot of hose that I

1963
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 1: can you know, run from. I'll just keep it in

1964
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: my truck and you know, I can run it from

1965
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: someone's uh back water faucet and run it all all

1966
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 1: the way down through the woods down to my food plot.

1967
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 1: Sit there and you know, if it's not getting much rain,

1968
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:43,639
Speaker 1: I'll sit there and you know, water it once a week,

1969
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 1: keep it coming in really good. Um. And we also

1970
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 1: use leaf flowers, making sure we keep all the leaves out. Um,

1971
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. I mean we could, we can

1972
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: talk about a million different things, but you know when

1973
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: we I always see more your activity. When I take

1974
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 1: a leaflower and blow in blow out the food plot,

1975
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: I just think it gets like fresh earth in the air,

1976
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 1: just like some I don't know, just fresh kind of

1977
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 1: dirt smell going on. But it's like every time we

1978
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,439
Speaker 1: blow off our food plot, it's like that next day

1979
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 1: or that night and that next couple of days falling, like,

1980
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: we always see a lot more activity, do you ever? Yeah, yeah,

1981
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 1: for Charlie, Like there was a couple of times where

1982
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 1: we like literally we'd go in with a leaf blower, right,

1983
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 1: we'd be in Camo and Drewid climb up in the

1984
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 1: tree and I'd take a leaflower and be blowing the

1985
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: food plot off and walk up the hill, put the

1986
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 1: leaflower down, come climb up into deer stands. I'll I'll

1987
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: tell you what, I've never heard of Mark Surrey doing

1988
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:51,040
Speaker 1: something like that. You guys are bourbon tactics. Didn't you

1989
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: have an encounter with Charlie while you're blowing the plot off?

1990
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 1: So I was this was like Charlie has was gone

1991
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 1: for like this is October ish, late October, he was

1992
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 1: gone for like a week. Like kind of getting down,

1993
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, he's not showing up. I go in

1994
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 1: there to blow off the food plot. I put my

1995
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: leaf flower down, and it's like kind of going down

1996
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: the hillside, and it's like as soon as I turned

1997
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,680
Speaker 1: my leaf flower off, I look up and he's like

1998
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 1: fifteen yards behind me, just staring at me. Wow. And

1999
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't know how long you're staying here.

2000
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on, But like I

2001
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: turned around and looked at him. It's like as soon

2002
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 1: as we made eye contact, it was like he just

2003
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: had a huge middle finger pointing at me and just

2004
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:35,599
Speaker 1: like bounded off. And we had been hunting him pretty

2005
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 1: hard at that point and he was just totally just

2006
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 1: destroying us. Yeah. Um, there's not a if if I

2007
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 1: were to say, like, it's funny, if I were to say, like,

2008
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 1: there's a sound that reminds me of deer season, it's

2009
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 1: roaring leaf blowers. That's the best thing I've ever heard.

2010
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 1: Every single time we're hunting, we're here in leaf flowers

2011
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 1: going on. That's terrible. Especially in the filming aspect of it.

2012
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:16,719
Speaker 1: Like you can't film interviews all around you is your mind.

2013
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't hear deer walking around like you

2014
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:23,679
Speaker 1: just have to you have to rely on your eyesight

2015
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 1: because you know, the deer could be right under you

2016
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 1: and you can't even hear it. Another great thing we

2017
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: have to our advantage here is that like sometimes dogs

2018
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 1: will let you know when you're coming. Yeah, but like

2019
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 1: if people have dogs in their backyard and they see

2020
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 1: do you're walking by, like you know, we'll hear a

2021
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 1: dog like a hundred yards away, just like all right

2022
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 1: here you come, come comes some deer coming like some

2023
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 1: over there. So so this brings me to then another

2024
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 1: thing I've been wondering about when watching what you guys

2025
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:56,799
Speaker 1: are doing and hearing about it is how human activity

2026
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 1: impacts things. And then this is a two part question.

2027
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 1: In part one, how do other humans impact your hunting?

2028
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: So how do the neighbors and people blowing their yards

2029
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 1: and doing landscaping and playing with the kids in the

2030
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: backyard eight yards away your huntre yards away? How does

2031
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 1: that impact your hunting? And then number two, because there's

2032
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 1: all this other stuff going on, does that impact how

2033
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,640
Speaker 1: much you can get away with. So, because these deer

2034
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 1: are used to people walking around and playing around and

2035
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 1: making a lot of noise, do you not worry about

2036
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: the pressure you're putting on these deer as much or

2037
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 1: your exits and entryways all that kind of stuff, Like

2038
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 1: how does all that work? Yeah, so that's definitely something

2039
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 1: that we've kind of learned over the years. The hard way. Yeah,

2040
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 1: definitely the hard way. I mean we used to just

2041
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 1: kind of go in if we have a five ache

2042
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 1: for block of woods, maybe a free bottom. We used

2043
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 1: to go in there and find the perfect tree, you know,

2044
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 1: on the best trail, and go all the way in

2045
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 1: that block of woods and set up shops. Now we've

2046
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 1: kind of learned that these deer like the closer that

2047
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 1: you get to these that you stay to these houses, Um,

2048
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 1: I guess the more of their guard is down. But

2049
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 1: that but so like if you're i mean, if there's

2050
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 1: kids playing in someone's backyard where they're always playing, you know,

2051
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,560
Speaker 1: if they're like in the grass area or whatever and

2052
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: they're not in camera, they're not. Um, that's where deer

2053
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 1: can tell, like if you're in normal clothes or camera

2054
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 1: and if you're if you're just talking like a normal

2055
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 1: voice level or trying to like sneak around. They can

2056
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:30,600
Speaker 1: tell the difference, and um, I think they have like

2057
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: this this line behind you know, houses where they are

2058
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 1: used to normal human activity. But then as soon as

2059
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: you step over that line, they're like, okay, wait a second,

2060
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be back here. Um, So we've

2061
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 1: kind of we've kind of figured out, you know, how

2062
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:49,480
Speaker 1: to flirt with that line and use that to our advantage.

2063
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 1: So definitely, I think, I mean, I don't have a

2064
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 1: ton of experience hunting big woods. I mean, like we said,

2065
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 1: I have spots or eight acres my parents had, I've

2066
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,600
Speaker 1: had a farm for a long time. Um, But I

2067
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 1: mean I would say the deer when you get into

2068
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 1: their woods, which should only be you know, a couple

2069
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 1: of acres, they are just as skittish and just as

2070
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,959
Speaker 1: where as any other deer you know outside the suburbs.

2071
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 1: But if you can kind of like splirt with that

2072
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:20,600
Speaker 1: line of um, normal human activity, then you can you

2073
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: can definitely use that to your advantage. We get busted

2074
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: in the tree all the time, whether it's they are

2075
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 1: seeing our movement or you know, getting our scent. We

2076
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 1: we paid attention to our our window lot, but we

2077
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:37,720
Speaker 1: get busted all the time. Um, so these deer are

2078
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:40,720
Speaker 1: not you know, I have friends are like, oh, you know,

2079
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about sent in Atlanta. They're

2080
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: so used to human center. Well that's not true at all.

2081
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: Not sure, it's not true. They know what a human

2082
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 1: scent is and they know where it's appropriate to smell it.

2083
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:51,720
Speaker 1: But when you're in the middle of the wood and

2084
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 1: they smell it and they can't find you, they're gone.

2085
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:58,320
Speaker 1: They know when something is different. And if you're walking

2086
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 1: around and a back yard and normal clothes, you know,

2087
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 1: they won't pay you too much attention. But if you're

2088
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 1: walking around and camouflage, they know it's different. They are gone.

2089
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 1: Um so access for us is huge. Uh. We, like

2090
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:17,960
Speaker 1: Drew said, we kind of used to get down in

2091
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 1: the middle of the you know, the best place we could.

2092
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 1: But what we realized we were doing was we were

2093
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:26,600
Speaker 1: leaving so much sense going in and out and in

2094
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 1: and out that the deer just stopped using that area.

2095
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 1: So we've really learned try to like have as our

2096
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 1: keep our footprint in the deerwoods as small as possible,

2097
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 1: So try and keep our you know, distance to and

2098
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 1: from the stand that uh, you know, as as small

2099
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 1: as possible kind of going trying to trying to walk

2100
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 1: in areas with a deer aren't gonna be using as

2101
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 1: much just trying to get in quiet minimal presidents slip

2102
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 1: out quiet um, you know, minimal presence, so that these

2103
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 1: deer absolutely no and there's a lot of human activity

2104
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 1: in their territory and they don't like it. Um. That

2105
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 1: being said, one thing that we do, we have done,

2106
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:14,400
Speaker 1: and we did we do it this year. We've done

2107
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: it this year is that you know, if we get

2108
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,360
Speaker 1: busted in the tree and they don't know what it

2109
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 1: is or what's going on, or you know, they just

2110
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 1: know that it's danger and they've blown out and there

2111
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 1: if they're still kind of lingering around and we're gonna

2112
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: get down from the stands uh, and it's like in

2113
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 1: the evening, it's getting dark, we'll climb down and and

2114
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 1: immediately we'll start talking to each other walking out of

2115
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:41,080
Speaker 1: the woods. Because I think that these they are so

2116
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: used to hearing people talk on their back deck and

2117
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, yelling to scream at the kids whatever, that

2118
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 1: they're used to that and they've kind of hopefully associate

2119
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 1: talking and things like that was something that's not dangerous,

2120
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 1: not something that's trying to If you're quiet and slipping

2121
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 1: out of the woods, they're like, something's quiet, it might

2122
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 1: be stalking me acting like the predator. A coyty doesn't

2123
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 1: go running up to a deer, you know, saying, hey,

2124
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:09,040
Speaker 1: look at me here, I am just you know, kind

2125
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 1: of talking the whole time. It's slipping up quiet. So

2126
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, if we get busted and we're climbing down,

2127
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 1: like we'll immediately just start talking to each other. Hopefully

2128
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 1: they kind of associate us just with you know, what

2129
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:24,760
Speaker 1: they've heard on people's back decks and stuff, and and

2130
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 1: hopes that it kind of you know, minimalizes that predator

2131
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 1: type you know, presence in that area. Um, but like

2132
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, we have deer that find us in trees

2133
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:38,120
Speaker 1: and we'll have to pull our stands down and get

2134
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 1: into the completely relocate because they know where you're at

2135
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 1: and they'll check it and all that stuff. So, um,

2136
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 1: it's still Atlanta, still the suburbs. There's things that we do,

2137
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 1: um that play to our advantage, like talking and things

2138
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 1: like that, but um, they definitely are still wild animals

2139
01:56:57,240 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 1: and they've learned to adapt here um and survive, especially

2140
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 1: these older mature bucks. These these mature bucks have have

2141
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 1: zero tolerance for people getting in their turf. The does

2142
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 1: and younger bucks and stuff, they're a little more tolerant,

2143
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 1: like they'll come back. But you know, if we if

2144
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 1: we have a deer, a mature buck, bust us in

2145
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 1: the stand or send us or something like forget about it.

2146
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 1: Just go find somewhere else to relocate or reset up

2147
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 1: on that deer. Yeah. This uh, this kind of acting

2148
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:31,840
Speaker 1: like a normal neighborhood person strategy that you talked about

2149
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:34,440
Speaker 1: when you're leaving the stand. Do you ever do that

2150
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 1: during the middle of the day when you're like trying

2151
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 1: to scout a new property or maybe you have to

2152
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 1: hang a new stand. I feel like I remember seeing this,

2153
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:43,200
Speaker 1: maybe in like your Bin series you're hunting this buck,

2154
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:45,080
Speaker 1: and I feel like I remember you walking into some

2155
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 1: new property you got permission on and you're talking and

2156
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: filming and like, all right, this is the true we

2157
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 1: got a hunt. And I'm sitting there thinking, holy smokes,

2158
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 1: is the middle of the season. They're walking around hollering

2159
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 1: and hanging stands. But it kind of makes sense that

2160
01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 1: maybe you do it on purpose because to your point,

2161
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:03,480
Speaker 1: they differentiate between the two different types of two to

2162
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:06,920
Speaker 1: the type of activity. It depends again, we're like trying

2163
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 1: to flirt with that line of where they're used to

2164
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:12,720
Speaker 1: human presence. And most of the time, you know the

2165
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:15,240
Speaker 1: spot where that you're talking about where he's hunting ban

2166
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean that was like right in someone's backyard basically,

2167
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 1: so the deer most likely was not betting down within

2168
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 1: sound distance from there. But yeah, I mean scouting. I

2169
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:30,560
Speaker 1: mean we're not wearing cameo and sneaking around and stuff

2170
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 1: like there. The deer used to kids and stuff walking

2171
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:35,760
Speaker 1: through the woods every once in a while. Um, so

2172
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:39,840
Speaker 1: that's that's definitely subsolently, I know, if you're talking about

2173
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: with the band episodes and and yeah, you're right. So

2174
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 1: that was we pulled up to the spot. It's basically

2175
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 1: just like a just a hardwood ridge, and um, I

2176
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:51,160
Speaker 1: remember I said, you know, I'm gonna get out of

2177
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 1: the truck and walk up in normal clothes. I think

2178
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:56,120
Speaker 1: I had been you know, binoculars. I was looking and

2179
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 1: that that was in the case that if he was

2180
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 1: betted there, or if there was year there, you know,

2181
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 1: hopefully they would kind of look at us and kind

2182
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 1: of ease on off instead of us trying to sneak

2183
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 1: to the stand first and camo and having those deer

2184
01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 1: see us and just completely blow out of there. Yeah.

2185
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:14,640
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, there are some cases where like I

2186
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:17,440
Speaker 1: walked up in normal clothes, they see it. You know,

2187
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:20,720
Speaker 1: there was some construction going on houses and stuff there,

2188
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 1: so they say, see people there a lot um to

2189
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:27,120
Speaker 1: try and you know push some of those gear out

2190
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 1: because they would bed like right under the stand. Yeah

2191
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 1: that was right before we got the stand, wasn't it.

2192
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 1: So you walked up there right, and then you came

2193
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 1: back and we changed and then that's that's actually the

2194
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 1: night that we killed him, right yep, mans a heck

2195
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 1: of a deer. That was a great looking buck. You

2196
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:50,280
Speaker 1: guys were able to get on, so obviously what you

2197
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:55,480
Speaker 1: guys did worked. Um So back to this whole idea

2198
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 1: of these dear being understanding of a certain level of

2199
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 1: certain level of human activity, and it seems like there's

2200
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: ways you can take advantage of that while still obviously

2201
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 1: still need to be careful. But does this also allow

2202
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,280
Speaker 1: you when you are hunting on that that flirting with

2203
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,880
Speaker 1: that edge, that edge where it's okay versus not okay.

2204
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:17,600
Speaker 1: Does that allow you to hunt certain spots more than

2205
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 1: maybe someone might be able to otherwise. I mean, I

2206
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:22,760
Speaker 1: feel like lots of times when I'm talking to guys

2207
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:26,160
Speaker 1: that are hunting these rural farms, you know, there's not

2208
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there, ever, the pressure is

2209
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: very very low. They oftentimes we talk about, you know,

2210
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:33,400
Speaker 1: that first set is your very best chance, and then

2211
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:35,800
Speaker 1: it's going to go down significantly after that because they

2212
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:38,200
Speaker 1: pick up on that human scent and activity very quickly.

2213
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:40,840
Speaker 1: You just have a time or two in these kinds

2214
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:44,160
Speaker 1: of scenarios where you're hunting the edge of that human

2215
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:47,760
Speaker 1: activity line. Can you find those right spots you can

2216
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:49,880
Speaker 1: hunt over and over and over as long as you

2217
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:51,720
Speaker 1: play your cards right and get away with it because

2218
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 1: they're used to some of that. Yeah, I think so.

2219
02:00:56,160 --> 02:01:02,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely differences between advantages and disadvantages in

2220
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,400
Speaker 1: the suburbs versus you know, hunting big woods, and that's

2221
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:11,880
Speaker 1: probably that's definitely one of them. Um understand though. Yeah,

2222
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 1: you have to be in the right you have to

2223
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:19,400
Speaker 1: have your your stands set in the night spot for sure. Yeah,

2224
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:20,960
Speaker 1: I think you can get away with more. But if

2225
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:23,680
Speaker 1: it's like you know, a place where we're getting in

2226
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 1: the in the thick of it with them, then no,

2227
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:29,720
Speaker 1: I would say that it's the exact same scenario, that

2228
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 1: your first set is definitely your best odds, and that

2229
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:36,040
Speaker 1: that kind of goes back to why we study cameras

2230
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:38,440
Speaker 1: so much like we do and not hunt until that

2231
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:45,840
Speaker 1: time is right. Yeah, that makes sense. Um So, I

2232
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:47,280
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to elaborate on that at all,

2233
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 1: but well, no, no, I definitely agree with that, Like

2234
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 1: you have to and you have to follow, you know,

2235
02:01:52,280 --> 02:01:54,400
Speaker 1: those rules of worried that you are used to the

2236
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 1: human activity, and that goes for if you're in the

2237
02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 1: suburbs or you're not, um I mean, and you know,

2238
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:05,080
Speaker 1: the deer in the suburbs are more used to human

2239
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:07,320
Speaker 1: activity in certain areas than they would be in the

2240
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:10,200
Speaker 1: big woods. But in the big woods you have the

2241
02:02:10,240 --> 02:02:13,240
Speaker 1: advantage of being able to you know, you have a

2242
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:16,960
Speaker 1: lot more room to work with and a lot more

2243
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:20,440
Speaker 1: room to play the wind. You know, different trees to

2244
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:22,360
Speaker 1: set up in and in the suburbs, a lot of

2245
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:25,040
Speaker 1: times you have if if you're lucky, you have that

2246
02:02:25,160 --> 02:02:27,760
Speaker 1: one tree that you can choose from and you just

2247
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,000
Speaker 1: have to make it work. So I think it's a

2248
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,760
Speaker 1: lot of give and take. Yeah. Sure, Now, based off

2249
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 1: all of this, I can kind of assume the answer

2250
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:39,880
Speaker 1: to my next question. But what about other people messing

2251
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 1: up your hunts. Let's say someone decides to go walk

2252
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:44,960
Speaker 1: their dog behind the house and walks all around you,

2253
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,520
Speaker 1: or you know, kids come running through. Is that the

2254
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:50,960
Speaker 1: kind of thing that obviously it spooks off the deer

2255
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:53,120
Speaker 1: right at that moment, but you're like, Okay, we'll sit

2256
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:55,840
Speaker 1: it out because they're used to that deer will come

2257
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:58,920
Speaker 1: back through eventually, maybe once these people move off. Is

2258
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:05,400
Speaker 1: that the case that happens a quite actually, Um, But

2259
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:07,280
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a thing where like it

2260
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,720
Speaker 1: may spook them off for that time being, but the

2261
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:11,880
Speaker 1: next day is a fresh day, and they don't really

2262
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:15,560
Speaker 1: care or remember about you know, that person walking their

2263
02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 1: dogs in the back of in the in the woods,

2264
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,480
Speaker 1: because that's just something they've kind of come to know,

2265
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:25,960
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not if it's something they've seen. Yeah,

2266
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:28,880
Speaker 1: it may spook them off for the time being, but

2267
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be something that's gonna be like a

2268
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:33,839
Speaker 1: permanent memory in their mind where they're like, I'm avoiding

2269
02:03:33,880 --> 02:03:36,680
Speaker 1: that area. Something where it's like you're in the stand

2270
02:03:37,320 --> 02:03:39,480
Speaker 1: and they sent you, or they spot you in the

2271
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:42,200
Speaker 1: stand and see you there. That's something that stands out

2272
02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:44,520
Speaker 1: to them and would be something where they would definitely

2273
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:49,000
Speaker 1: like vacate that area and not come back. Um, but

2274
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:50,680
Speaker 1: drew you. I mean you can tell a story about

2275
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:57,000
Speaker 1: will Bury and that pit bullet came and chased them off. Yeah. Yeah,

2276
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, yeah, we have dogs run up

2277
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 1: on it. It's pretty often in a stand. And uh,

2278
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 1: I think it was four years ago. I was hunting

2279
02:04:05,120 --> 02:04:08,200
Speaker 1: this buck I called Willbury. He's just a an awesome,

2280
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:11,920
Speaker 1: just slick eight pointer. Um it was I think it

2281
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,480
Speaker 1: was the first or second week at the season, and

2282
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:16,840
Speaker 1: this year was in there just like every day. He

2283
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:20,120
Speaker 1: he kicked out all the other bucks in his bachelor

2284
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:22,800
Speaker 1: group and was he had made like I don't know,

2285
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:26,920
Speaker 1: five or six scrapes in this little tiny area and

2286
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: he was coming in every day. Lee and I were hunting. Um,

2287
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:33,000
Speaker 1: I think we had we had like two encounters with

2288
02:04:33,160 --> 02:04:37,080
Speaker 1: him right at dark. Actually shot at him and missed

2289
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:41,400
Speaker 1: one night, and I was out there again the next day.

2290
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:45,000
Speaker 1: And uh, he was coming in like he was walking

2291
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:49,600
Speaker 1: straight under my stand and maybe ten yards away. I

2292
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:53,040
Speaker 1: was full draw about to uh, just waiting for him

2293
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:55,760
Speaker 1: to turn broadside, and all of a sudden, the neighbors dogs,

2294
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:58,280
Speaker 1: a couple of pit bulls came running through the woods

2295
02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:02,960
Speaker 1: and chase them off. And like, I think that's if

2296
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 1: they're again, like if they're used to stuff like that, Like,

2297
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:08,680
Speaker 1: if they if that's a natural occurrence, it's going to

2298
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:10,760
Speaker 1: scare them off for a little bit, but they're going

2299
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:13,080
Speaker 1: to come back if it's not some sort of like

2300
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:15,680
Speaker 1: life threatening thing for them. So I think I ended

2301
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 1: up feeling that deer a couple of evenings later in

2302
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:22,000
Speaker 1: the same the same general area. So um, it just

2303
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:26,320
Speaker 1: completely you know, it depends what they associate, um, that

2304
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:31,360
Speaker 1: presence with. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Man.

2305
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:35,440
Speaker 1: So so you're you're going in and getting permission on

2306
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:38,720
Speaker 1: all these different places that maybe more guys don't tend to.

2307
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 1: You are scouting them out, You're running a ton of

2308
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:45,080
Speaker 1: cameras to find where these older, bigger deer are your

2309
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:47,600
Speaker 1: ZERI and on them once they get daylight active. You're

2310
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:52,320
Speaker 1: doing little things like putting these mini plots, running mock scrapes, um.

2311
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:54,360
Speaker 1: Being careful about how you're getting in and out and

2312
02:05:54,440 --> 02:05:56,480
Speaker 1: making sure that you're on that line between safe and

2313
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:58,240
Speaker 1: not safe for deer, so you can take advantage of

2314
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 1: your doing all these things. Is there is there anything

2315
02:06:01,680 --> 02:06:04,879
Speaker 1: else that you're doing during the hunting season or otherwise

2316
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:07,840
Speaker 1: that you think is making you guys uniquely successful that's

2317
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 1: allowing you to have, you know, buoning Crockett class bucks

2318
02:06:11,960 --> 02:06:13,960
Speaker 1: coming out of the suburbs of Atlanta that we haven't

2319
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 1: touched on yet. Uh. Something is probably like you know,

2320
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:24,320
Speaker 1: we we've talked about waiting for the right time to

2321
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:28,440
Speaker 1: be in the tree, but once it is that right time. Uh.

2322
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:31,040
Speaker 1: The probably one of the biggest thing for us is

2323
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:36,760
Speaker 1: just we spend so many hours in a tree sitting there,

2324
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, waiting for it to happen. We can spend

2325
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:43,200
Speaker 1: more time in a tree. We're blessed in that way

2326
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:48,080
Speaker 1: than most people. And you know, for example, Bayne last year,

2327
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:50,800
Speaker 1: over the two years of hunting him, I think we

2328
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:55,520
Speaker 1: sat like over sixty times UM. And so I don't

2329
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:57,680
Speaker 1: know how many hours it was that we actually spent

2330
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:02,600
Speaker 1: in a tree hunting that year. UM. And then you know,

2331
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 1: for Zeus, I think we sat like times or so times,

2332
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:12,600
Speaker 1: um and you know, finally finish the story on that here.

2333
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:15,200
Speaker 1: But it's like, I think the biggest thing is once

2334
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:17,480
Speaker 1: it's the right time, you got the right set up,

2335
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:21,000
Speaker 1: everything's right. It's just spending time at a tree and

2336
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:23,600
Speaker 1: and just as much as you possibly can and not

2337
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:28,400
Speaker 1: missing that one opportunity that that here presents itself. I

2338
02:07:28,480 --> 02:07:33,120
Speaker 1: think that's something that you know, it's it's yeah, you know,

2339
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:35,080
Speaker 1: your your first it's gonna be your best set when

2340
02:07:35,120 --> 02:07:38,920
Speaker 1: the time's right, and everything like that. But when October,

2341
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, late October November one around, it's all about

2342
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:45,320
Speaker 1: being in the tree as much as possible because sometimes

2343
02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:48,600
Speaker 1: you know that that bucket of a lifetime that are

2344
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:52,440
Speaker 1: that they're here only presents that one chance, and it's

2345
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:56,560
Speaker 1: not missing that opportunity, um, Drew. I don't know if

2346
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:58,000
Speaker 1: there's anything else you can think of, but I think

2347
02:07:58,040 --> 02:07:59,480
Speaker 1: that's one of the big things, is that we just

2348
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:02,320
Speaker 1: get this and so much time on a tree. Yeah,

2349
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:04,440
Speaker 1: and I mean we've touched on it a little bit,

2350
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:08,120
Speaker 1: but these books, like, especially during the rut, these bucks

2351
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:12,200
Speaker 1: travel a ton and one good example is Lee had

2352
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:16,800
Speaker 1: pictures of the same buck on two different cameras seven

2353
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 1: miles apart in the same night. Um, and that's crossing

2354
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:28,160
Speaker 1: like a bunch of heavily traffic roads like four lane roads, um,

2355
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:33,320
Speaker 1: neighborhood roads and all sorts of stuff. So you know, yeah,

2356
02:08:33,400 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 1: you say, your first sit is always your best chance,

2357
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:38,000
Speaker 1: but I mean there's also a very good chance that

2358
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:40,080
Speaker 1: that the buck you're hunting is not in that block

2359
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:43,520
Speaker 1: the woods, you know, those first fifteen times that you sit,

2360
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,720
Speaker 1: So it could take um, you know, a week and

2361
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:49,400
Speaker 1: a half of sitting there before you catch him on

2362
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:53,000
Speaker 1: that leg of his of his loop. And you know

2363
02:08:53,240 --> 02:08:58,240
Speaker 1: whether or not, God, I'll just saying whether or not.

2364
02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he may come through that one time, but

2365
02:09:00,920 --> 02:09:03,160
Speaker 1: he might may not even give you an opportunity that

2366
02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:04,640
Speaker 1: one time. So then you have to wait again for

2367
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:07,640
Speaker 1: him to do his full circle and come back to again.

2368
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:12,200
Speaker 1: So we also have like for banes, and the same

2369
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:13,800
Speaker 1: with you know, the deer that we're hunting this year

2370
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 1: is like we have three or four different sets of

2371
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:21,600
Speaker 1: stands that we've hung and a lot of times, you know,

2372
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:24,400
Speaker 1: we have these covert cellular cameras. So it's like if

2373
02:09:24,440 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 1: we wake up, we're playing to hunt in the next

2374
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:27,560
Speaker 1: morning and we wake up in the morning, it's like,

2375
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:30,920
Speaker 1: where was he seen last? So when we sit, you know,

2376
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:34,560
Speaker 1: sixty times in a two year spans these deer sometimes

2377
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:36,880
Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily in the exact same spot, in

2378
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:39,400
Speaker 1: the same stand. It's like we kind of read where

2379
02:09:39,480 --> 02:09:42,800
Speaker 1: his last activity was and kind of you know, if

2380
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:45,840
Speaker 1: we saw him over at Spot A, we'll go to

2381
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:47,960
Speaker 1: Spot A. But if the next night, you know, he

2382
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 1: seems to have moved over Spot B, we'll go over

2383
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:52,800
Speaker 1: Spot B where we've got our other stands, Hong, So

2384
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:56,840
Speaker 1: we're constantly kind of adjusting reading where you know, getting

2385
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:00,600
Speaker 1: kind of real time information is unmatched that that probably

2386
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:05,280
Speaker 1: something that is, you know, our game changer is getting

2387
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:10,600
Speaker 1: real time information on deer activity, where he's at, where

2388
02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:13,080
Speaker 1: he was last, seeing things like that, and also not

2389
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:15,560
Speaker 1: having to go in the woods to check these cameras.

2390
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:19,840
Speaker 1: You're minimizing your sun but just knowing in real time

2391
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 1: is you cannot replace that, you cannot beat it. Yeah,

2392
02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, on the on the the the opposite side

2393
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:31,400
Speaker 1: of that, though, do you guys see any kind of

2394
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:34,640
Speaker 1: like annual patterns emerging? Lots of times you hear guys

2395
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:37,320
Speaker 1: say that they noticed that this buck seems to show

2396
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:39,440
Speaker 1: back up in this little area the first week in

2397
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 1: November every year, first week in October every year, and

2398
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:44,560
Speaker 1: you can start using the historical data, it seems like

2399
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:46,800
Speaker 1: with these deer you followed multiple years, that might be

2400
02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:51,920
Speaker 1: the case. Have you all do that? Absolutely? That's that's

2401
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:54,600
Speaker 1: actually a really good question, because that's something that I

2402
02:10:55,240 --> 02:10:58,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't have, I guess thought of, But I told you, like,

2403
02:10:58,200 --> 02:11:00,600
Speaker 1: sometimes we'll have pictures of these deer for like four

2404
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:03,480
Speaker 1: or five years before we actually hunt him. So we've

2405
02:11:03,560 --> 02:11:06,800
Speaker 1: we've already built so much history around that deer of

2406
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:08,880
Speaker 1: where he likes to spend, what time, that we can

2407
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:13,560
Speaker 1: actually head beer off so vain. Last year we had

2408
02:11:13,560 --> 02:11:17,240
Speaker 1: an early season encounter with him and after that it

2409
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:20,880
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we were like, he's not coming

2410
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:24,800
Speaker 1: back here. After that happened, we know where he's going though,

2411
02:11:24,840 --> 02:11:27,560
Speaker 1: it chases Does. So we completely pulled out of that area,

2412
02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:31,840
Speaker 1: relocated and like clockwork, you know, second or third week

2413
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:35,080
Speaker 1: of October, you know, here he is four miles away

2414
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:38,400
Speaker 1: chasing Does. And the same with Kendall and that deer

2415
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:41,200
Speaker 1: that he lost permission at and we told you about

2416
02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:45,960
Speaker 1: that like h year, Uh, he knows where that deer

2417
02:11:46,080 --> 02:11:50,440
Speaker 1: goes in November, late October November, so he's already heading

2418
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:54,840
Speaker 1: him off. But history and knowing these dear sendencies is

2419
02:11:56,560 --> 02:12:00,520
Speaker 1: also something that's just you know, huge, huge, huge key

2420
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:05,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of times, like on this year that

2421
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm hunting this season, which I've watched for five or

2422
02:12:07,880 --> 02:12:11,240
Speaker 1: six years, like, I know, I know where he goes,

2423
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:14,720
Speaker 1: but I'm only I'm still very limited on where I

2424
02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:18,280
Speaker 1: can actually hunt. So I knew that I had a

2425
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:21,360
Speaker 1: small kind of window of opportunity early season which I

2426
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:25,400
Speaker 1: wasn't able to capitalize. And now I know that he

2427
02:12:25,480 --> 02:12:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of just roams around throughout the middle of the season,

2428
02:12:28,240 --> 02:12:31,440
Speaker 1: and there's not much I can do about it, um besides,

2429
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, run October camera and hope I can catch them,

2430
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, just stopping by in the middle of the season.

2431
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:39,840
Speaker 1: But I do know that he shows up at a

2432
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:44,400
Speaker 1: different spot in January, and when he's there, he's like clockwork.

2433
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:46,800
Speaker 1: So you know, I may know where that deer is

2434
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:48,320
Speaker 1: and I may have a bunch of history with them,

2435
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:51,200
Speaker 1: but that does not necessarily mean that you know, it's

2436
02:12:51,240 --> 02:12:54,920
Speaker 1: a just a um that it's game over, Like I'm

2437
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to most likely have to wait until January

2438
02:12:57,560 --> 02:12:59,640
Speaker 1: to uh to have a shot at this year. So

2439
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 1: that's definitely a huge, huge advantage. Okay, So I've taken

2440
02:13:05,960 --> 02:13:08,160
Speaker 1: a lot of you guys time. We're pushing two hours

2441
02:13:08,240 --> 02:13:11,280
Speaker 1: already coming up on it. Um, I feel like we've

2442
02:13:11,320 --> 02:13:14,320
Speaker 1: only scratched the surface. I know, it's it's crazy how

2443
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:16,600
Speaker 1: quickly this goes and how much more let's talk about.

2444
02:13:16,680 --> 02:13:18,360
Speaker 1: But I guess I want to leave you guys with

2445
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 1: one last prediction that I want from each of you.

2446
02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:25,520
Speaker 1: You're each sounds like you're each after a buck. Sounds

2447
02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:28,720
Speaker 1: like Lee's got a two plus. Drew, I'm not sure

2448
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:30,480
Speaker 1: what kind of deer you'r chase, but I'm sure it's

2449
02:13:30,520 --> 02:13:35,480
Speaker 1: something then that makes my jaw drop. Um, if if

2450
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:39,280
Speaker 1: you kill these two deer, I'd like you to predict

2451
02:13:39,680 --> 02:13:42,400
Speaker 1: when and how you would expect it to happen. If

2452
02:13:42,520 --> 02:13:43,880
Speaker 1: if you were to look back and say, yeah, I

2453
02:13:43,960 --> 02:13:46,480
Speaker 1: kill that dear, paint me the scenario in which you

2454
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:48,680
Speaker 1: think that would happen. So, Drew, you just said it

2455
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:51,760
Speaker 1: will probably happen in January, Um, but but flesh out

2456
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:54,560
Speaker 1: how you think that if it was gonna happen this

2457
02:13:54,680 --> 02:14:00,160
Speaker 1: would be it. Yeah, So I mean, I guess it's

2458
02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:02,840
Speaker 1: one or two things. Like I said, it's gonna be

2459
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:07,320
Speaker 1: a crapshoot um late October November. I mean, he the

2460
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:10,760
Speaker 1: spot that I have permission is between two big blocks

2461
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:15,240
Speaker 1: of woods that it's impossible to get hunting access to UM.

2462
02:14:15,800 --> 02:14:19,520
Speaker 1: And so he passes through UM my little block woods.

2463
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:22,960
Speaker 1: It was just probably five acres, but he doesn't necessarily

2464
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:26,400
Speaker 1: hold up there. So I am. I am feeding in there,

2465
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:28,440
Speaker 1: and I'm holding a group about of about five or

2466
02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:31,400
Speaker 1: six does And there's a chance that he passes through

2467
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:34,440
Speaker 1: and locks down on a dough in November in that

2468
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:38,760
Speaker 1: block of woods. So I'll have cameras out um obviously

2469
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:41,040
Speaker 1: all year long. And if he does that, if he

2470
02:14:41,120 --> 02:14:43,440
Speaker 1: shows up, I'm gonna get in there and hunt. But

2471
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:45,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna I mean, that'll be you know, it's not

2472
02:14:46,040 --> 02:14:49,160
Speaker 1: very high odds, so most likely I'll just have to

2473
02:14:49,200 --> 02:14:51,040
Speaker 1: wait it out and hope that he will not get

2474
02:14:51,080 --> 02:14:55,880
Speaker 1: shot or hit by far And I think January, I'm

2475
02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:58,560
Speaker 1: gonna say January twelfth is when he's gonna show up

2476
02:14:59,120 --> 02:15:04,240
Speaker 1: at my my late season spot and he's gonna start

2477
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:06,800
Speaker 1: coming to Most likely he's gonna start coming to corn

2478
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:10,040
Speaker 1: since corn is legal now, and it'll take me maybe

2479
02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:13,680
Speaker 1: on the three or four hunts to get them because

2480
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:15,320
Speaker 1: once I mean once they get on that late season

2481
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:18,600
Speaker 1: food source, they really don't have a whole lot of

2482
02:15:18,680 --> 02:15:23,480
Speaker 1: other options besides landscaping. So, um, they get pretty predictable

2483
02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:25,960
Speaker 1: that late season. And actually we didn't mention this, but

2484
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:30,640
Speaker 1: the season in the suburbs has for years has run

2485
02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:34,280
Speaker 1: a month longer than the rest of the state. Um,

2486
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:37,160
Speaker 1: it's changed now, but for a long time, the rest

2487
02:15:37,240 --> 02:15:42,640
Speaker 1: of Georgia closed at the end of December and the

2488
02:15:42,760 --> 02:15:46,680
Speaker 1: suburbs go all the way through through January. So they

2489
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:48,160
Speaker 1: kind of I think they kind of let their guard

2490
02:15:48,200 --> 02:15:50,640
Speaker 1: down these last two weeks of the season. So that's

2491
02:15:50,680 --> 02:15:53,600
Speaker 1: my my prediction there on that book. All right, it

2492
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:57,320
Speaker 1: sounds like a good plan. What about you, Lee, I'm

2493
02:15:57,520 --> 02:15:59,800
Speaker 1: kind of chuckling at myself, But Drew brought up something

2494
02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:02,960
Speaker 1: we I really talked about. But November, our enemy number

2495
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:06,680
Speaker 1: one is definitely Mom's soccer vands going down the street.

2496
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:11,320
Speaker 1: That's our biggest competition in some areas, and we've had it,

2497
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:13,200
Speaker 1: We've had to go down that way for us several times.

2498
02:16:13,320 --> 02:16:17,480
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, so I'm after two year right now.

2499
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:20,280
Speaker 1: One of them is like, I don't know how big

2500
02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:24,560
Speaker 1: he is. He's giant typical, he's definitely over one seventy.

2501
02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:27,320
Speaker 1: He's the one that I've got like seven cameras out

2502
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:31,280
Speaker 1: for um. He actually just showed up this morning for

2503
02:16:31,400 --> 02:16:35,360
Speaker 1: the first time in like a while of hunt what

2504
02:16:35,400 --> 02:16:37,120
Speaker 1: I would call huntable hours, like in the morning of

2505
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:38,960
Speaker 1: the evening when I'd be sitting there instead of this

2506
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:42,880
Speaker 1: middle of the day I'm in this year's he's still

2507
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:45,360
Speaker 1: kind of in his summer area. He's actually still with

2508
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:52,080
Speaker 1: his running buddy once probably the third or fourth week

2509
02:16:52,120 --> 02:16:55,320
Speaker 1: of October. Hit this year travels for miles. He is

2510
02:16:55,360 --> 02:17:00,920
Speaker 1: a complete just he's completely random. I hope it doesn't

2511
02:17:00,959 --> 02:17:03,040
Speaker 1: come down to that point. So what I'm hoping for

2512
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,960
Speaker 1: and what I think is my game plan is is

2513
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:11,200
Speaker 1: that while he's still in his summer ish area, I'm

2514
02:17:11,240 --> 02:17:15,119
Speaker 1: really utilizing scrapes right now because he's really getting all

2515
02:17:15,160 --> 02:17:16,720
Speaker 1: the pictures I have him. He's got his head up

2516
02:17:16,720 --> 02:17:18,760
Speaker 1: in the scrapes and he's getting really defensive on him.

2517
02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to work out against him before his

2518
02:17:23,440 --> 02:17:26,879
Speaker 1: pattern changes and he starts chasing. Does all over the place,

2519
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:30,160
Speaker 1: because once it happens, it's just you know, it's it's

2520
02:17:30,200 --> 02:17:33,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a complete gamble. I'm hoping there's gonna be

2521
02:17:33,560 --> 02:17:36,280
Speaker 1: a little window beforehand where we get some cooler weather.

2522
02:17:36,920 --> 02:17:39,560
Speaker 1: He hasn't left that area. He's hitting these scrapes, and

2523
02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:43,520
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna go down, um before November, So

2524
02:17:43,600 --> 02:17:46,199
Speaker 1: hopefully like in the next next week, week and a half,

2525
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it can go down with this year for

2526
02:17:49,240 --> 02:17:53,640
Speaker 1: the two year. Um right now, I know that this

2527
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:57,760
Speaker 1: year is in a certain area, and it's a big area. Uh,

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02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm keying in on the place, and it put me

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02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:02,400
Speaker 1: a really long time to get permission here. And I

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02:18:02,400 --> 02:18:08,640
Speaker 1: actually just confirmed permission yesterday. Um, there are funds of

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02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:12,680
Speaker 1: those I mean, like like thirty or forty does that

2532
02:18:12,760 --> 02:18:19,840
Speaker 1: are coming through this section I'm in. I'm vetting that

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02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:23,320
Speaker 1: when November rolls around, I probably won't see this year

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02:18:23,480 --> 02:18:26,840
Speaker 1: until November. But when November rolls around and all these

2535
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:29,519
Speaker 1: all these does start coming in the heat, I guarantee

2536
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:32,240
Speaker 1: you that this box is going to show up in

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02:18:32,320 --> 02:18:36,520
Speaker 1: this area dog and all these dose so and that's

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02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 1: assuming he makes it that long. Because a lot of

2539
02:18:38,320 --> 02:18:41,720
Speaker 1: people there's there's just like fifteen people hunting this year

2540
02:18:41,879 --> 02:18:47,879
Speaker 1: at least, So if he makes it to November, I'm

2541
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:51,160
Speaker 1: I've got all I need. Just because I'm not seeing

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02:18:51,320 --> 02:18:54,320
Speaker 1: him in other bucks right now. I'm completely fine with

2543
02:18:54,440 --> 02:18:57,200
Speaker 1: that because I'm in the perfect area where I know,

2544
02:18:57,600 --> 02:19:00,680
Speaker 1: if I'm a mature buck, this is the place that

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02:19:00,760 --> 02:19:03,600
Speaker 1: I would want to be. There's plenty of plenty of

2546
02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:08,720
Speaker 1: poon tank to chase around here. So um. The beauty

2547
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:10,840
Speaker 1: of this is you can edit that out if you want, right,

2548
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:18,160
Speaker 1: you can say whatever you want. Um. So I think

2549
02:19:18,480 --> 02:19:19,880
Speaker 1: I think that if it were to go down with

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02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:23,240
Speaker 1: that two, it would be in the heat in November. Um,

2551
02:19:23,720 --> 02:19:27,320
Speaker 1: this other typical. I think it's gonna be really hard

2552
02:19:27,360 --> 02:19:29,320
Speaker 1: to kill him in November, and he's gonna be traveling

2553
02:19:29,360 --> 02:19:33,800
Speaker 1: so far. Um, So I think it'd be October when

2554
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:36,640
Speaker 1: he's hitting scrapes or that late season window when he

2555
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:41,760
Speaker 1: keeps back and keeps back on the food. So well,

2556
02:19:41,800 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 1: those are good predictions, and and hopefully when those predictions

2557
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:47,920
Speaker 1: come true, we have to get you guys back on

2558
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:51,080
Speaker 1: maybe one of the radio episodes to describe what was

2559
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:53,240
Speaker 1: going on and how it all, how it all happened.

2560
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:55,400
Speaker 1: Hopefully you just describe exactly what you just did. So

2561
02:19:57,360 --> 02:20:00,040
Speaker 1: you who never goes that way, but at least you

2562
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:03,160
Speaker 1: get a plan in place to go for it. Um Man,

2563
02:20:03,240 --> 02:20:07,280
Speaker 1: this has been really really interesting, really unique. So this

2564
02:20:07,440 --> 02:20:10,120
Speaker 1: is fun for me. And if folks want to follow

2565
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:12,560
Speaker 1: along with what you've got going on, how your seasons

2566
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:15,280
Speaker 1: are going, your future videos and all that, where can

2567
02:20:15,320 --> 02:20:19,039
Speaker 1: they find that stuff? Yeah, So all of our videos

2568
02:20:19,320 --> 02:20:23,720
Speaker 1: are posted on Facebook, UM and YouTube, and our facebook

2569
02:20:24,040 --> 02:20:27,760
Speaker 1: is Seek one Productions. It's s e e K O

2570
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:32,000
Speaker 1: n e UM. They're also aired on Mossy Oaks Facebook

2571
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:37,039
Speaker 1: page and No Mad's Facebook page. And then to keep

2572
02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of keep up with the daily uh of us

2573
02:20:40,200 --> 02:20:42,600
Speaker 1: is Instagram is the best place to go um it

2574
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:45,600
Speaker 1: seeks and then the number one instead of spelled out

2575
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:49,879
Speaker 1: skin productions at Quin Productions. So that's what we put

2576
02:20:49,959 --> 02:20:52,560
Speaker 1: post on most um And kind of what we're doing

2577
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:55,800
Speaker 1: with the videos this year is we've already released one

2578
02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:58,760
Speaker 1: is the Nashville episode, and then from there, I mean,

2579
02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:02,200
Speaker 1: we're producing episodes per kill, so we try to we

2580
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:05,320
Speaker 1: try to get them out within you know, forty five

2581
02:21:05,400 --> 02:21:09,360
Speaker 1: days or so of the kill. Um So right now,

2582
02:21:09,440 --> 02:21:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean likely said none of us have killed a

2583
02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:13,960
Speaker 1: buck yet, but we've got nothing in the works, but

2584
02:21:14,400 --> 02:21:17,680
Speaker 1: hopefully we start putting some down here soon and you

2585
02:21:17,720 --> 02:21:20,280
Speaker 1: can expect to see some videos you know, shortly after that.

2586
02:21:20,760 --> 02:21:25,640
Speaker 1: So if you want to before we go, uh, kind

2587
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:28,240
Speaker 1: of bring the correlation to our seek One name, they

2588
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:30,400
Speaker 1: could just have some me into it and kind of

2589
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:35,920
Speaker 1: why would have that name? Yeah, we can do that. Um. Yes, again,

2590
02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:40,680
Speaker 1: follow our Instagram kind of. Lee and I are both

2591
02:21:40,840 --> 02:21:43,320
Speaker 1: pretty strong Christians. We went to a Christian high school.

2592
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:45,040
Speaker 1: And so what kind of what we're trying to do

2593
02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:48,280
Speaker 1: is use this platform to glorify God and to just

2594
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:52,360
Speaker 1: kind of spread his name um in this season through

2595
02:21:52,400 --> 02:21:54,560
Speaker 1: our Instagram every Sunday, we're kind of doing like a

2596
02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:57,960
Speaker 1: little mini sermon um and just kind of doing a

2597
02:21:58,480 --> 02:22:01,080
Speaker 1: faith walks from beginning in and just trying to make

2598
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,680
Speaker 1: as big as impact as we possibly can um on

2599
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:07,720
Speaker 1: the hunting community. And the name seek one actually comes

2600
02:22:07,760 --> 02:22:11,400
Speaker 1: from a speaking like one specific buck. You know, we

2601
02:22:12,120 --> 02:22:14,920
Speaker 1: like we've talked about we build this story about around

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02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:17,800
Speaker 1: one buck um and then also just seeking you know

2603
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:20,880
Speaker 1: one God, Jesus Christ. So that's really that's one of

2604
02:22:20,920 --> 02:22:24,840
Speaker 1: our big motivations for doing this. So Um, if you're

2605
02:22:24,879 --> 02:22:27,760
Speaker 1: into that, that's awesome, and we hope you follow us.

2606
02:22:27,800 --> 02:22:30,280
Speaker 1: And if you're not, I just hope that you you

2607
02:22:30,320 --> 02:22:32,680
Speaker 1: guys go on our Instagram and kind of read our

2608
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:35,240
Speaker 1: post from the last few Sundays and follow along and

2609
02:22:35,560 --> 02:22:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of just ask the hard questions and maybe start

2610
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:40,720
Speaker 1: that journey. So we get a lot of questions of

2611
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:42,560
Speaker 1: how we kind of came up with Seek one, so

2612
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:45,320
Speaker 1: we'd like to try and bring it all around for

2613
02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:49,600
Speaker 1: people to ask. So very cool, very cool. Well, you

2614
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:52,400
Speaker 1: guys are doing great work. Um, not only you know,

2615
02:22:52,480 --> 02:22:54,400
Speaker 1: you've got a great sounds like you've got a great

2616
02:22:54,440 --> 02:22:57,720
Speaker 1: mission behind what you're doing, but you've got great deer

2617
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 1: that you're chasing a unique situation. But the quality of

2618
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:03,960
Speaker 1: the work too is very impressive. I can see that

2619
02:23:04,480 --> 02:23:07,360
Speaker 1: you were inspired by guys like you know, Donnie Vincent

2620
02:23:07,440 --> 02:23:10,200
Speaker 1: and the group the Cruise Sigmanta or Heartland bow Hunter.

2621
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:11,960
Speaker 1: It seems like you took that and you've you put

2622
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:14,160
Speaker 1: your own spin on it and really putting out work

2623
02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:18,959
Speaker 1: that's top notch. So to anyone listening, yeah, of course,

2624
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:21,920
Speaker 1: I think anyone listening. I'm sure you found this interesting

2625
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:24,720
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're gonna enjoy those videos, so head

2626
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:28,000
Speaker 1: on over and check those out. So Lee and Drew,

2627
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:33,440
Speaker 1: thank you for joining me and uh, good luck this season. Yeah,

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02:23:33,480 --> 02:23:36,440
Speaker 1: I actually thanks for having us on and that is

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02:23:36,520 --> 02:23:39,240
Speaker 1: a rap. Folks, thanks for joining us, Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this one. I will just reiterate

2631
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:44,040
Speaker 1: a couple of the quick things I mentioned at the top,

2632
02:23:44,280 --> 02:23:47,720
Speaker 1: that being the new season and meat Eater that's on Netflix.

2633
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:51,680
Speaker 1: Make sure you check that out. Also, with the new company,

2634
02:23:51,800 --> 02:23:54,320
Speaker 1: meat Eater, Inc. You will be finding all of my

2635
02:23:54,400 --> 02:23:57,680
Speaker 1: new Wired Hunt content on that new website. So that's

2636
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:01,119
Speaker 1: the meat eater dot Com. That's where my new articles

2637
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:02,720
Speaker 1: are going to be. That's where my new videos are

2638
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:05,120
Speaker 1: gonna be, in addition to YouTube. That's where the new

2639
02:24:05,160 --> 02:24:07,800
Speaker 1: podcasts are going to be, in addition to your podcast

2640
02:24:07,879 --> 02:24:10,920
Speaker 1: apps and everything. And on top of what I'm putting

2641
02:24:10,920 --> 02:24:13,920
Speaker 1: out there, there's also content from Steve Ronnella. There's content

2642
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:18,480
Speaker 1: from Ben O'Brien, April Bokey, Pat Durkin, Eduard Garcia, a

2643
02:24:18,520 --> 02:24:21,279
Speaker 1: whole bunch of other people. Um, the team is growing

2644
02:24:21,480 --> 02:24:23,960
Speaker 1: rapidly with some of the best and the brightest folks

2645
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:26,160
Speaker 1: in the hunting and Fishing World, So I hope you

2646
02:24:26,320 --> 02:24:28,640
Speaker 1: check that out. I hope you enjoy it, and until

2647
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,800
Speaker 1: next time, thank you so much for your time, your tension,

2648
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Speaker 1: and your support, and stay wired to hunt