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Speaker 1: Dan Hands is here. He's got some heroes, Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and sitting to my right. Oh, it's been
Speaker 1: too long and it's always a blessing for the show.
Speaker 1: Connie Fox The Tiny Boxes in the House. Hello, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: great to see you, guys. Great to see you. Somebody
Speaker 1: tweeted at me, um, you were t n F last week.
Speaker 1: Where were you You were Arizona, Arizona. Someone shouted out
Speaker 1: while you were doing a live hit. Uh, tiny Box.
Speaker 1: It happens all the time and I love it, so
Speaker 1: keep doing it, guys. It's great. It's always like stay
Speaker 1: heyed Dan. But what is like, what does Steve Smith
Speaker 1: think about that being shouted at you? Does he understand
Speaker 1: like the lineage of that nicknames? How many people? It
Speaker 1: feels like a nickname that needs context, but we never
Speaker 1: give it the count. I think it needs lots of context.
Speaker 1: We're just happy. The large boxes not what took hold
Speaker 1: in the imagination. Absolutely not. We're not going to do
Speaker 1: Huge Box. Colleen's here, it's awesome. We are at the
Speaker 1: trade In fact, look at this play along because I
Speaker 1: know actually passed twenty two minutes ago, but where can
Speaker 1: it act like it's about to pass now? All right?
Speaker 1: Here we are twelve fifty nine on the West coast,
Speaker 1: Ricky count us down like Dick Clark and the biggest
Speaker 1: of all spots four three two, Oh my god, oh
Speaker 1: my god. The best day of the year to kiss,
Speaker 1: get your hands off in Sessler colleague trade deadline has
Speaker 1: passed a little bit of a dad not a lot
Speaker 1: of drama, but there was one huge name moved. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna get through the big names connected to the
Speaker 1: trade deadline, whether they were moved or not. And you
Speaker 1: gotta start, of course, with Von Miller and Connie. This
Speaker 1: is a big one. The Denver Broncos agreed to trade
Speaker 1: the eight time Pro Bowl linebacker to who else, the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams for a second and third round pick
Speaker 1: in the upcoming NFL Draft. The Broncos will also pay
Speaker 1: and this is this is interesting. There's a little brock
Speaker 1: Oswiler vibe here. The Broncos will also pay nine million
Speaker 1: of Miller's remaining nine point seven million bass salary for
Speaker 1: the nine games left in the season, so they said,
Speaker 1: we'll take the money, give us the picks. Uh, Connie,
Speaker 1: what do you think? A lot of excitement? Obviously, Von
Speaker 1: Miller joins a front seven in l A that has
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Is this going to be as big a
Speaker 1: deal as it seems on paper? Or should there be
Speaker 1: some trepidation about what kind of impact he can make? No,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be I'm I'm selling this, I'm all
Speaker 1: in on it. I didn't expect this one to happen
Speaker 1: at all either. I feel like it popped out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: The Rams right now they lead the league in sacks,
Speaker 1: and now they won't have to blitz as much. In theory,
Speaker 1: I feel like Rahe Morris, he must be on cloud
Speaker 1: nine their defensive coordinator, just because you have Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: who's so disruptive, and Leonard Floyd has been having such
Speaker 1: a good season on the other side. Then you add
Speaker 1: in von Miller. This team has been performing so well
Speaker 1: and the defense now just has so much more juice
Speaker 1: with Jalen Ramsey on the back end. And when you
Speaker 1: have the Titans coming in for Sunday Night football without
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, they're going to have to throw the ball,
Speaker 1: and you have you add von Miller, who they're expected
Speaker 1: to play this week. I love it. I think it
Speaker 1: sets up really well for them. Plus when you think
Speaker 1: about it and you look at their schedule, I'm out.
Speaker 1: This is it though, I mean, I have nothing else
Speaker 1: for the rest of the show. Uh. When you look
Speaker 1: at their schedule, the Rams play Week seventeen in l A.
Speaker 1: They could have home field at that point if everything
Speaker 1: goes their way, and maybe never leave again the rest
Speaker 1: of the season. Oh, you went with the whole like
Speaker 1: staying home for six three weeks home narrative. I mean
Speaker 1: essler like you like that, right, staying home. I like
Speaker 1: to stay home. I do. It's it appeals to me.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking forward to in l A super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a good one to
Speaker 1: come in four, but I'm I'm glad to have one
Speaker 1: here and the Rams could be in it. Like this
Speaker 1: is why you make that move, but it that's such
Speaker 1: a high bar and like how much does von Miller
Speaker 1: alone change the calculus? Like you love it as a
Speaker 1: Rams fan that they're absolutely going for. It's a big price.
Speaker 1: I mean a second and a third round pick when
Speaker 1: I when I saw that it was two second day
Speaker 1: picks that my mind was still in like two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight when they only had two days of the draft,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, like fourth or fifth round picks,
Speaker 1: Like that sounds uh like a good deal, you know
Speaker 1: when we and like this has definitely win for Denver.
Speaker 1: You know, what what are they you know doing right now?
Speaker 1: You might as well get those picks. Yes, is it
Speaker 1: a win? Yes, but you could get eight years of
Speaker 1: contracts uh for you know, two rookies. You know Von
Speaker 1: Miller is not gonna be on that team next year,
Speaker 1: instead of having nine games of a guy when you
Speaker 1: absolutely know you're gonna have a different coaching staff. Like
Speaker 1: this is a move that I'm sure Vic fan Joe
Speaker 1: didn't love, but that it shows to me that like
Speaker 1: Vic fan Joe and the GM are not necessarily I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's a smart move. I I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of sad whenever a player of his importance to
Speaker 1: that organization. We were there in Santa Clara when he
Speaker 1: took over that game and took Cam Newton's soul and
Speaker 1: one Super Bowl m v P. So it ends this way,
Speaker 1: and it ends Mark with at a time and less
Speaker 1: we forget that this is the team of th H
Speaker 1: A L. And we'll get back to the Rams in
Speaker 1: a second. Um, you gotta wait till the season starts.
Speaker 1: West was always big on that, let's watch three games.
Speaker 1: A Broncos team that entered the season thinking they could
Speaker 1: really contend in the a f C are trading Von
Speaker 1: Mill or uh two days after Halloween and that and
Speaker 1: that's rough for the Broncos and their fans. They still
Speaker 1: have so much work to do to get back to
Speaker 1: where they want to be. Yeah, it leaves me with
Speaker 1: lots of questions. I mean, Greg, if you if you
Speaker 1: after three games, the Broncos would have been three and O.
Speaker 1: I think there was actually a little bit more like
Speaker 1: six games. Six games would have helped. But the future
Speaker 1: of Vick Fongio just future, right, the future, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's when you're selling von Miller, you're basically saying
Speaker 1: this season is a wash. And at this point, I
Speaker 1: think Vick Fonio's job is in hot butt territory. If
Speaker 1: it was already there, we're gonna have to check. We're
Speaker 1: gonna check in on that next week. By the way,
Speaker 1: the season's midpoint where the hot butts are at SISS.
Speaker 1: It's just not fair to human beings to have to
Speaker 1: be categorized that way if you're Vick Fongio. But um,
Speaker 1: I love this for a less need to me because
Speaker 1: it started with the Stafford thing, and like like in
Speaker 1: another universe the Stafford thing could be going very poorly
Speaker 1: right now, and it's like you guys blew up you know,
Speaker 1: roster a to go get this and you've given up
Speaker 1: a lot. Instead, it's going about as perfectly as you
Speaker 1: could have ever imagined. And I kind of just trust
Speaker 1: the Rams to make this work with Leonard Floyd, Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald and Von Miller, and it's like a one season
Speaker 1: thing because they're ultra going for it. And if you're
Speaker 1: less sneaed, you you know, after what happened with Gurley
Speaker 1: and with Golf, where you had to answer so many
Speaker 1: questions about these players that you drafted and developed and
Speaker 1: then overpaid went totally south. They're all about known quantity
Speaker 1: and other teams will simply copy what they do at
Speaker 1: this point because it's like, we don't care about draft picks.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to stand up on a poty well,
Speaker 1: but it is working right now with staff they've been
Speaker 1: doing it for four or five years though. Ms right,
Speaker 1: Brandon Cook rams like it's working. And that's where I
Speaker 1: pushed back on people being like, of course they all
Speaker 1: are all in for this year. They even you know,
Speaker 1: sent the little rounders tweet out about it. They're not.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're out for next year. Right, That's
Speaker 1: it was a great, great point not understanding the movie.
Speaker 1: Uh there, it's not like they're out for next year
Speaker 1: or the year after. This is what everyone said in
Speaker 1: other loading up for one more run. They said it
Speaker 1: going into last year. They're loading up training these picks
Speaker 1: for one more run. It's like, no, Stafford's gonna be here,
Speaker 1: Cook's gonna be here, Donald's gonna be here, Woods will
Speaker 1: probably be here. Von Miller might be here because you
Speaker 1: might want to kind of amortize this deal and make
Speaker 1: it get a little better value and and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: sign him to a reasonable contract before the end of
Speaker 1: the season, just so you can keep them. I think
Speaker 1: it's said that they didn't think their defense had enough
Speaker 1: juice to your point, call like, yeah, they've played well,
Speaker 1: but you look at the teams they've played, and for
Speaker 1: the most part, the offenses have stunk. The two decent
Speaker 1: offenses they played, the Bucks and Cardinals did whatever they
Speaker 1: wanted against him, and I think they felt like they
Speaker 1: needed more juice. So it told me, I think what
Speaker 1: they what they saw in their defense, and that makes
Speaker 1: sense they're going for They've had a pretty soft schedule,
Speaker 1: so what do you guys think? And they've also rolled everyone,
Speaker 1: so it's like, I mean, you can't kind of you're
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, and like they look, especially defensively.
Speaker 1: They've had a soft schedule special you know against the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks they played when they when they got when they
Speaker 1: struggled that much against the Bucks and the Cardinals. And
Speaker 1: von Miller has played well this year. He is a
Speaker 1: an above average good NFL starter you would think is
Speaker 1: gonna get some extra juice. My question, Connie is does
Speaker 1: von Miller get the like Matt Stafford and Shaunwick the
Speaker 1: offense pop by playing it with Aaron Donald and being
Speaker 1: able to kind of not be the focus of the defense.
Speaker 1: That's I think another reason why they made this trade.
Speaker 1: They thought von Miller could be better than he has
Speaker 1: been in Denver the last couple of years, and we've
Speaker 1: seen that happen in multiple places. We've seen it happen
Speaker 1: with the Steelers. We've seen it with a ton of teams,
Speaker 1: even like the Browns when they bring in Jadeveon Clowney
Speaker 1: and Miles Garrett, just guys having an extra body there
Speaker 1: and then then being able to benefit off of that.
Speaker 1: But did you see the rumors that the Broncos traded
Speaker 1: Von Miller because his teammates in Denver wouldn't help pay
Speaker 1: for the Halloween party that he throws every year. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know if fan talk, do you hear that?
Speaker 1: Get to work? What is it? There's there's always some
Speaker 1: drama about the Halloween party. Wasn't the CEO? Was there?
Speaker 1: Their former quarterback was right in drama there? Did he
Speaker 1: wind up in someone's house? Was in someone's house? Noah?
Speaker 1: Fan tried to shut down this Halloween party stuff, saying
Speaker 1: like it was all cool with von everyone loves but
Speaker 1: I really love like von Miller. When I listened to
Speaker 1: him speak, he gave this long YouTube thanking everyone in
Speaker 1: the Denver organization. He seems like a guy who's, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like aware of how lucky he is
Speaker 1: and he wanted everyone to know. And it seems very
Speaker 1: beloved there. So you're right there and you do lose
Speaker 1: something and you're trading and guy like you do. And um,
Speaker 1: it's funny during uh the Great Rachel Bannetta filled in
Speaker 1: from that money Smith on the Power Rankings building for
Speaker 1: the Great Money. They're both great, right, Matt money Smith
Speaker 1: is also, you're not suggesting that a great person. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen Mark react that quickly. Uh, well, I just
Speaker 1: texted that, you know, he's dealing with Corona and Erica
Speaker 1: brought in like a swag bag from my from my
Speaker 1: pod here we get deesel Nick and Rosenthal and he
Speaker 1: because I was like I don't want that, and Mark
Speaker 1: to swoops in and grab Well, it was a specific
Speaker 1: type of everybody wants to know what's in the box
Speaker 1: that Mark wants, what a person on the ail grooming
Speaker 1: uh utility he needs. Um. I wanted to say that
Speaker 1: there was like a roll of pregame hype celebration or
Speaker 1: you know, getting guys hyped up before the Week eight
Speaker 1: games that they rolled during the Power Rankings, and all
Speaker 1: the players are just going, It's like happy Halloween. Man,
Speaker 1: It's Halloween, and it's like these these players love Halloween.
Speaker 1: There still kids I know, well, yeah they're high five
Speaker 1: and da Halloween. Well it's like there's Halloween that we
Speaker 1: all deal with, but then suddenly you're a millionaire and
Speaker 1: Halloween could take on your hold you maybe in the
Speaker 1: millionaire no degree, absolutely not. I wish I would love
Speaker 1: to get there one day. But this is probably not
Speaker 1: a popular take. But Halloween, believe it. I am totally
Speaker 1: with you. Although as a parent, you're you have to
Speaker 1: feign ultra. I like to take kids out and do
Speaker 1: all that, but it's like another thing mark. You just
Speaker 1: have to be like my deeper feelings about Halloween and
Speaker 1: is all sort of a farce, but it's there is
Speaker 1: some fun. Halloween a success. I love Halloween. It's not
Speaker 1: an attached to it like on on deeper. It's just
Speaker 1: it's not everything has to be on a deeper level.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, but I had That's why I'm
Speaker 1: not fun to be with general. Let's get let's get
Speaker 1: back on track. I do think the bill will come
Speaker 1: do eventually with the Rams. Just for instance, uh the
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty two draft, they have no first round pick,
Speaker 1: no second round pick, one, third round pick, no fourth
Speaker 1: round pick one fifth round pick, no sixth round pick.
Speaker 1: At some point you would think that roster is going
Speaker 1: to toll and it's going to turn over and not
Speaker 1: be pretty. But that's not the point because if you win, uh,
Speaker 1: if you win a title or two, you can deal
Speaker 1: with what happens after that. But you gotta win. And
Speaker 1: I think they think differently than the rest of the NFL,
Speaker 1: and I think it always helps when you're doing something
Speaker 1: that others aren't. You know, they are getting value in
Speaker 1: these guys that they know. It's not like they're not
Speaker 1: getting value. And I think they know that Sean McVeigh,
Speaker 1: maybe more than any coach in the league. They believe
Speaker 1: will hire a good staff around them and develop these
Speaker 1: guys that we don't know the names of. On the rams.
Speaker 1: There's about seven or eight starters every year, someone defense,
Speaker 1: someone offense, and you don't really know who they are,
Speaker 1: but they're out there and they're playing fifty or sixty
Speaker 1: snaps and they're contributing, and that's where they get the
Speaker 1: value from. Like and maybe they're looking at less Need
Speaker 1: and Sean McVeigh and what they do in the draft
Speaker 1: and they're thinking, well, we just spent our second round
Speaker 1: pick on two two at well, um, who does not
Speaker 1: seem like he's gonna help. He wasn't gonna help the
Speaker 1: Rams this year before he got hurt. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know some of you. It's like the picks
Speaker 1: are big time gamble. Von is not one. One little nugget.
Speaker 1: Josina Anderson was texting with Adrian Peterson when he was
Speaker 1: being you know, signed by the Titans. She and she
Speaker 1: was just like, just do like, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about dealing with Aaron Donald and Von Miller potentially like
Speaker 1: days from now. You know, he's obviously not been playing
Speaker 1: at all, and he was just like, ship, that's a
Speaker 1: whole different story, Like, uh, can you cut that please
Speaker 1: for future use? All right, let's get to a trade
Speaker 1: that didn't go down. Deshaun Watson, John McClean taking the
Speaker 1: l well, he wasn't alone, he wasn't, but he was
Speaker 1: out front on it. He can withstand it. I would
Speaker 1: say almost every big national voice had an almost identical
Speaker 1: or point to McClean after was happening. After that, Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson would be moved. And the Dolphins, obviously we're at
Speaker 1: the front of the pack and you had other teams
Speaker 1: like the Panthers that were connected than unconnected. Well guess
Speaker 1: what is unconnected? Word? Disconnected? Okay, anyway, the deadline has passed,
Speaker 1: as you just heard, and Deshaun Watson will remain on
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. He will continue and this has to
Speaker 1: be weird. Actually was thinking about it today. He does
Speaker 1: because he has to to get paid and not get
Speaker 1: fined and all that. He has to report to the
Speaker 1: facility every day, but he doesn't practice with the team
Speaker 1: obviously doesn't dress on Sunday. So where does he go
Speaker 1: when he's in the facility? Do you imagine he's like
Speaker 1: in the like the commissary on his phone. Where does
Speaker 1: he go? It's like when you break up with someone
Speaker 1: but you are still living together, but which still kind
Speaker 1: of have to tiptoe around the house. And I've never
Speaker 1: done it, but we just mentioned that exact scenario on
Speaker 1: our Friday yow. I don't know why, but like, um,
Speaker 1: it is exactly like that to the show. Um, just
Speaker 1: repeating what you know? No, No, it's just that that's
Speaker 1: that's an apt compare. So Watson is going to continue
Speaker 1: to do that through the end of the season because
Speaker 1: he has not been traded. Now he will be traded.
Speaker 1: But now everything goes uh, well should go quiet, you
Speaker 1: would think, in terms of the talk around him, which
Speaker 1: is good news for the Texans because this is probably
Speaker 1: a very unpleasant situation for them. Uh In terms of
Speaker 1: the media, I refer specifically the players and coach David Culley.
Speaker 1: Now we will find out what happens next, but Watson
Speaker 1: stays right where he is. In that kind of Collie
Speaker 1: always made the most sense in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: because the way Watson's legal situation is, with the twenty
Speaker 1: three lawsuits and the potential criminal um prosecution in hand,
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna play this year anyway. There's just so
Speaker 1: much unknown and the awkward relationship that just continues now.
Speaker 1: And it's better for us because hopefully everything kind of
Speaker 1: just settles down because we don't have any clarity on anything,
Speaker 1: but we still have to talk about it when he
Speaker 1: comes up in these rumors in terms of like the
Speaker 1: trade to the Dolphins that didn't happen, but the Texans
Speaker 1: asking prize, according to Ian Rappaport, three first round draft
Speaker 1: selections for a guy that has this many pending lawsuits
Speaker 1: against him, it's just so so messy. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think everyone involved looks so bad, Like everyone that that
Speaker 1: went through this charade the last couple of months to
Speaker 1: get to this point, Like the Dolphins look terrible, not
Speaker 1: just that they allowed themselves to be part of this,
Speaker 1: but that Stephen Ross, according to Ian, requested to speak
Speaker 1: with the Shawn Watson on Monday night, that the request
Speaker 1: wasn't granted until Monday night. Deshaun Watson, of course looks
Speaker 1: the worst because he is responsible for all of this.
Speaker 1: He's facing, you know, twenty plus civil charges, still facing
Speaker 1: ten plus criminal charges. He denied the opportunity to David
Speaker 1: Tepper also, according to Ian, that the Panther's owner to
Speaker 1: speak to him the the Texans didn't want to let
Speaker 1: Watson uh speak to him. Eventually they apparently did grant
Speaker 1: the permission or that he decided to speak to him
Speaker 1: on Monday night, the night before the trade deadline, and
Speaker 1: by that point the Dolphins decided it was too late.
Speaker 1: So to a tongue of viola knows that the owner
Speaker 1: who said he wasn't involved in football decisions, was solely
Speaker 1: you know, deciding the football decisions, and that they would
Speaker 1: have possibly traded for him if Deshaun Watson would have
Speaker 1: settled the civil cases. This is all from Ian's reporting,
Speaker 1: but Watson, throughout all of this has not only pushed
Speaker 1: back on taking any responsibility whatsoever, um or deny. You're like,
Speaker 1: you know, apologizing, but he's still pushing through it. He
Speaker 1: wants everything to be out there. That's the man that
Speaker 1: these teams are trying to trade for. The Texans are
Speaker 1: doing everything they can to drive his price up. So
Speaker 1: it's like they they they're not cleaning this. And then
Speaker 1: the most disappointing thing for me is that the media
Speaker 1: has done everything possible. And when I say media, I
Speaker 1: mean like the big national reporters has assisted Deshaun Watson's
Speaker 1: agent and really shown the power of an agent in
Speaker 1: the NFL, I think in being able to at least
Speaker 1: mitigate like the coverage of this story, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people sure seemed to be trying to help them
Speaker 1: trade this guy who's facing all of these charges over
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, like they were trying. They're
Speaker 1: saying it's happening. They're trying to you know, snuff out
Speaker 1: other people to jump into the trades. And you know
Speaker 1: what all that for nothing, Like they were wrong. They
Speaker 1: they were helping out a man who is still pending,
Speaker 1: you know, facing all these charges. They were trying to
Speaker 1: help him and his age now and it didn't even work.
Speaker 1: Well don't. I'm totally with what you're saying, but we're
Speaker 1: asking like cutthroat NFL executives to take the same moral
Speaker 1: or judgment stance that we do about watson situation, and frankly,
Speaker 1: like I think that you are hedging, Like if you're
Speaker 1: one of these gms that goes after him and you
Speaker 1: get him, you're playing off the fact that, like, essentially
Speaker 1: at some point, there are myriad players throughout the league
Speaker 1: that have been involved with terrible things that a year
Speaker 1: or two later, we forget about it and we continue
Speaker 1: to watch them. I'm just saying that you're and that
Speaker 1: will happen eventually for Watson most likely, but for I
Speaker 1: think just from not most likely it will unless he
Speaker 1: never plays. From a football perspective, though, I thought this,
Speaker 1: it was always insane, and I don't think there is
Speaker 1: any defense, whether it's moral or not. I don't think
Speaker 1: you needed to be moral for them to get involved.
Speaker 1: Before any of this was settled, it never made any
Speaker 1: sense because he wasn't gonna play this year. They were full,
Speaker 1: they were kidding themselves if he if he was ever
Speaker 1: going to play this year, and what you did to
Speaker 1: your football team if you're David Tepper or tongue of
Speaker 1: you know, Stephen ross is let your quarterbacks know, like
Speaker 1: you know, we're not. It's not like you helped your
Speaker 1: coaches that you heard him right. You're putt you're putting
Speaker 1: two up on the podium. And he has to face
Speaker 1: these questions about the rumors as well. And it's like, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: to Uh and the Dolphin's offense, they're just trying to
Speaker 1: get on track, They're trying to do something in these games,
Speaker 1: and now you have all of these distractions coming in
Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson. It's just so messy that it got
Speaker 1: to this, and you want to be right as a reporter,
Speaker 1: like so many of the reports said, it's happening sooner
Speaker 1: than it was, sooner than later, could happen any day,
Speaker 1: any weekend, and it was all wrong. But hold up,
Speaker 1: but what if Steven ross Uh engaged with DeShawn Watson.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what questions were asked or whether
Speaker 1: he didn't In the end, he he asked for permission.
Speaker 1: It was grant. But had had that happened, had it
Speaker 1: gone like the way that Steven Ross would want it to,
Speaker 1: we could be talking about a very different scenario. Supposedly,
Speaker 1: he also wanted them to say, I just thought it
Speaker 1: was the civil cases we're gonna get settled, and that
Speaker 1: would have done it for him too, apparently. I think
Speaker 1: there's the power of an agent and and moving things
Speaker 1: along also the power of a franchise quarterback in his prime.
Speaker 1: I just don't know, Like, I know you're you've been
Speaker 1: hard on this Greg, You're going hard on this thing
Speaker 1: with the media. I don't know, Like, what is the
Speaker 1: play If Stephen Ross, the owner of the Dobbins is
Speaker 1: requesting to meet with the Shaun Watson with the interest
Speaker 1: of making a trade, do you just not report on it?
Speaker 1: I don't not not that when it's been presented this
Speaker 1: whole time, it's been presented in a way two A
Speaker 1: inspire like other teams to jump into the bidding, like
Speaker 1: you're doing the bidding for this person, and almost almost
Speaker 1: to a report, it almost never brings up why you're
Speaker 1: in this situation and that he's likely not going to
Speaker 1: play this year and all of the other implications it's
Speaker 1: just from the football side, and I think that's letting
Speaker 1: the agent and Deshaun Watson off easy every time you
Speaker 1: do it, because it's basically trying to pull the wool
Speaker 1: over the viewers eyes that like, what are we talking
Speaker 1: about here? We're talking about someone who is in this
Speaker 1: situation because he's been sued and facing charges for sexual
Speaker 1: assault and sexual misconduct. Like I I am amazed. And
Speaker 1: and it's partly because I've heard some of these people
Speaker 1: talk behind the scenes to and it's like there, like
Speaker 1: it's a it's not not everything has to be both sides,
Speaker 1: Like this isn't a both sides. Do you want the
Speaker 1: agent to drop Deshaun Watson? Would that appease you? On
Speaker 1: this front? Like the agent is doing what agents do,
Speaker 1: which is I don't really care what Greg or anyone
Speaker 1: else thinks about this side of it. I'm I'm here
Speaker 1: to defend my client. And again it's like this, this
Speaker 1: is not the first player that has been through something
Speaker 1: that's ghastly to us or to most observers. But the
Speaker 1: agent's job, he's simply doing it. Whether you like him
Speaker 1: or not, I get it. And he is maybe the
Speaker 1: most powerful or one of the most powerful agents there is.
Speaker 1: What I don't like is trading the relationships that you
Speaker 1: have developed with the reporters over the years for this situation.
Speaker 1: This is the insider game is so dirty that like
Speaker 1: this is it not the departure point for that being
Speaker 1: it is left, all right, But I can't think of
Speaker 1: one like this. That's how, but that's how information is
Speaker 1: broken and traded between agents and insiders. So this is
Speaker 1: not This is not a new thing that just happens
Speaker 1: to be caught up in a very volatile situation and
Speaker 1: a criminal case, which makes it very thorny. And I
Speaker 1: can understand greg your opinion on this. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: let's move. We got him, let's move. The deadline passed,
Speaker 1: give it to me and give me the Jack Bower clock.
Speaker 1: Got Rosenthal fired up, Odell beckhams He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: But it feels like speaking of agents and other people
Speaker 1: working behind the scenes to get what they want for
Speaker 1: their clients, not without some effort to get him moved
Speaker 1: away from a Cleveland Browns team where he has not
Speaker 1: been able to move the needle since his arrival in
Speaker 1: the Trade of the Giants a couple of years back. Um,
Speaker 1: just On Tuesday, you had Odell Beckham Sr. Post a
Speaker 1: eleven minute video showing all the time Baker Mayfield missed
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham on passing routes over the past two seasons.
Speaker 1: Uh soundtracked, And at first I was like, did Odib
Speaker 1: Senior put this together? Yeah? No, you know he posted.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's an r EM fan. That's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first thing I thought, is like, do
Speaker 1: the Beckham's love? I didn't watch the video, and what
Speaker 1: song is it? What's everybody hurts? So the entire the
Speaker 1: entirety of everybody hurts, like the most modeling like pop
Speaker 1: hit of the last thirty years, playing to Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: airmailing throws to Odell Beckham, and then all sort of
Speaker 1: all sorts of like amazing dad hashtags, which I'll get
Speaker 1: to in a minute. And then at the same time
Speaker 1: this is all breaking. You have Lebron James, who's the
Speaker 1: most confusing sports fan Connie in the world. He's like
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan, but he's a Browns fan. He's a
Speaker 1: Yankees fan, and then he's always at Rams games. I
Speaker 1: don't even know what's going on. He tweets that you
Speaker 1: know you gotta make O'Dell grade again, get him out
Speaker 1: of Cleveland. I thought you were a Browns fan. I
Speaker 1: don't even know what's going on air. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the Browns don't make the move.
Speaker 1: Should they have traded O'Dell Beckham Jr. Colleen wolf Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think that they were in a position to
Speaker 1: do that with his contract, but just in general, his
Speaker 1: dad just doing the most sports dad thing ever. I
Speaker 1: can't believe he went and got this whole thing cut
Speaker 1: up with production value of some sort two R. E.
Speaker 1: M obviously had to think. I think someone did that.
Speaker 1: Someone went through the efforts. But it's it's true because
Speaker 1: Odell and Baker they just have no chemistry. And we've
Speaker 1: seen it time and time again. Coming off that game
Speaker 1: against the Steelers one catch for six yards, even case
Speaker 1: Keenum and him had a something that was a little
Speaker 1: bit better going in that game against the Broncos. So listen, Dad,
Speaker 1: he's going for it. And it's just a little bit
Speaker 1: of a nuclear option here. But there was no chance
Speaker 1: that the Browns were going to well. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: say this like it's kind of like everyone's fault to
Speaker 1: me in terms of the on everybody's fault that too.
Speaker 1: I I mean since twenty En Mayfield has a sixty
Speaker 1: nine passer rating targeting O b J, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: the lowest among any NFL duo with a hundred plus attempts.
Speaker 1: It's just not worked out. And last year that's a thing.
Speaker 1: I know, last year it got me like annoyed because
Speaker 1: I thought it was a narrative. But it just is
Speaker 1: playing out to be. The case is number Baker's numbers
Speaker 1: are much better when Odell has not been on the field.
Speaker 1: And there are you know, there's people saying, well, Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield is hesitant to throw it to Odell because O'Dell,
Speaker 1: if you look at it's made his own mistakes. It's
Speaker 1: like a little bit on everyone. And we haven't heard
Speaker 1: anything from Odell Beckham. I mean, it just tells me
Speaker 1: that it's fine to say, go trade them, but they
Speaker 1: got no offers that were tangible. This front office inherited
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham from John Dorsey. And you have to look
Speaker 1: at the current Andrew Berry front office and say, if
Speaker 1: anything they've been cunning. They don't overpay. The players have
Speaker 1: not been overpaid. And when they've made little moves here
Speaker 1: and there they've been for two it is, and I
Speaker 1: think that they're willing to just hang with Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. He can be cut
Speaker 1: for no dead cat money this offseason. I'd be shocked
Speaker 1: at that didn't happen. Stefansky, I read, you know, wanted him,
Speaker 1: he didn't want to trade him, that he thought he
Speaker 1: can keep blaming himself for not I agree with what
Speaker 1: you said. There's not an easy like let's blame someone.
Speaker 1: But on that play, which I know caught your eye, Dan,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't watched it at the time that you texted.
Speaker 1: You know, the play a lot of people were talking
Speaker 1: about kind of look like Odell had a little bit
Speaker 1: of Alex. That's a season changing catch right here. I
Speaker 1: rewatched that play though, and if you on the All
Speaker 1: twenty two from both camera angles, I mean they drew
Speaker 1: up the absolute perfect play. They always say like shade
Speaker 1: hands offense gives the quarterbacks the answers to the to
Speaker 1: the test. Odell's open early in that play, Baker is
Speaker 1: so late he he pumped fakes with absolutely no one.
Speaker 1: No one is near Odell Beckham for two and a
Speaker 1: half three seconds of that play, like it was the
Speaker 1: absolute perfect play call. There's a lot of talk that
Speaker 1: Baker struggles to throw up the seams, whether it's his
Speaker 1: height or he's just a guy who lacks anticipation. He
Speaker 1: has to really see it open, kind of like Jay
Speaker 1: Cutler before he lets it go. On that play, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a walk maybe a walk in touchdown, but
Speaker 1: it's an easy first down down to the five or
Speaker 1: so if he delivers it on time like a lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks was and he and he hesitates, he pump fakes,
Speaker 1: and he throws it late and above and behind Odell,
Speaker 1: who does jump and kind of put his arm up.
Speaker 1: When you see it from the sideline, it didn't seem
Speaker 1: like a crazy bad effort. But like when they're reviewing
Speaker 1: that play, it's not Odell that's getting the minus two
Speaker 1: on their grading system. It's Baker, alright, but I know
Speaker 1: this is O'Dell is one of those guys just got
Speaker 1: out there that that one's not about Odell, But it's
Speaker 1: about what Mark said where it's it's both of them.
Speaker 1: You know. That is if you are a truly elite
Speaker 1: wide receiver, that's a difference making play where you could
Speaker 1: pick up your quarterback and make the catch, or not
Speaker 1: even make the catch. Greg make a better effort. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is what's the problem with devilt.
Speaker 1: He's not trying. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it is not working. And there's got to be blame
Speaker 1: assigned on both sides of this. It's it is O'Dell's
Speaker 1: fault in part, it is Baker Mayfield's fault in part.
Speaker 1: And I also agreed the right move was to stay
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and the Browns maybe get this worked out
Speaker 1: and save this thing. But I also think you're right, Mark.
Speaker 1: I think he's history after the year. You guys want
Speaker 1: to hear some great dad hashtags on this, some really
Speaker 1: good ones here. So, as I said, it was soundtracked
Speaker 1: by the R E M hit Everybody Hurts Off Automatic
Speaker 1: for the People. Just one of the greatest records of
Speaker 1: all time, Erica. She's in her twenties still I see
Speaker 1: Christie Stapleton behind the glass. I don't even know R
Speaker 1: E M. Automatic for the People. You'll thank me later.
Speaker 1: Give it a listen. They look thrilled and really sorry.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, and check it out on the Throwback podcast.
Speaker 1: Here are the hashtags I'm a father before anything, okay
Speaker 1: hashtag My twin and I do look very similar. He's
Speaker 1: in an incredible shape for for dad. Hashtag three my
Speaker 1: ace with an ace of spades. A little a little
Speaker 1: uh emoji in there. That was good. Next my a
Speaker 1: number one. Next, and now it starts to get a
Speaker 1: little weird. Next hashtag I'm hurting for you. Next one
Speaker 1: hashtag playing hurt. Next one hashtag I hurt for him,
Speaker 1: Next one hashtag this really hurts one of these hastag
Speaker 1: very hurtful hashtag disrespectful hashtag when I hurt the hurt.
Speaker 1: I know well that I always actually check on that
Speaker 1: hashtag every night, just when I heard I heard, I
Speaker 1: know to see who's been posting. Hashtag I love Cleveland
Speaker 1: like I love home. Hashtag I love my son MO
Speaker 1: number seven hashtag seven eleven open, but he made the
Speaker 1: dad mistake. You put a number in there, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna hashtag so you hashtag open hashtagn hashtag all love
Speaker 1: hashtag Beckham legendary. That's a lot of hashtags. That's next
Speaker 1: to inside I might along with that all that business
Speaker 1: none other than our friend Dwayne Bow. Dwayne Bow, Wayne
Speaker 1: Bow like, you know, like riding in on his white horse,
Speaker 1: said Pops. He tweeted to O b J. Pops. They
Speaker 1: did me the same way. This guy had like one
Speaker 1: catch with the brown saying like raging headaches bus. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a break and then we'll hit the rest
Speaker 1: of the news. All right, let's get to it. It
Speaker 1: went down Monday morning, so you know about it by now,
Speaker 1: but let's talk about it here. Derrick Henry is on
Speaker 1: the shelf bomber uh NFL networks ian Rap report reports
Speaker 1: that Henry uh is undergoing foot surgery. He's expected to
Speaker 1: miss six to ten weeks. That was the initial report,
Speaker 1: and then I heard IAN today, so I'm on NFL
Speaker 1: network and they said it's more closer to eight to
Speaker 1: ten weeks. And then you can start doing the math.
Speaker 1: I don't like to do it, but it's entering week nine.
Speaker 1: Eight weeks put you to the end of the regular season.
Speaker 1: So in the best case scenario for the Titans, Henry
Speaker 1: returns for the playoffs. And then you wonder what version
Speaker 1: of Henry returns coming off foot surgery as a running back. Anyway, Greg,
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about this being the end of
Speaker 1: the road for the Titans that they're cooked now, and
Speaker 1: you can understand that side of things. How do you
Speaker 1: see it? No, I think they're gonna be a playoff
Speaker 1: team and Derrick Henry will probably be back for the playoffs,
Speaker 1: according to Ian, So, I don't think it kills him.
Speaker 1: I think their play action passing game, especially Julio Jones,
Speaker 1: can be healthy enough, can still work, and losing Henry
Speaker 1: is massive. I kind of like the Adrian Peterson signing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's run pretty well the last few
Speaker 1: years when you've given him the chance, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that Derrick Henry was struggling, but he also wasn't
Speaker 1: very efficient. You know, the last handful of weeks, you're
Speaker 1: running the ball twenty eight times for seventy nine yards
Speaker 1: twenty nine times or eight years. He's playing great. But
Speaker 1: I think you can somewhat replaces rushing production. You can
Speaker 1: find other ways to win games and get to the
Speaker 1: end of the season, get him back. I don't know
Speaker 1: about replace him, um. I just mean you're a little
Speaker 1: lower on him than I am, and you can have
Speaker 1: the Titan. The Colts game hurt too, right, That's that's
Speaker 1: a great point. I think Adrian Peterson at least can
Speaker 1: give them something that they're not just going to fall
Speaker 1: apart because they're running it. It's an extremely spicy signing
Speaker 1: um in the sense that like, if if it went
Speaker 1: the right way, it would be fascinating. What do you
Speaker 1: think he doesn't have? Obviously, Adrian Peterson doesn't have that
Speaker 1: like big playability anymore like he had before. But I
Speaker 1: do think that he could help kind of keep them
Speaker 1: on track here. And Jeremy McNichols, come on, how about
Speaker 1: we give him some luve this team. They're going to
Speaker 1: throw the ball a lot more. But that's why if
Speaker 1: if Julio Jones could stay healthy, that's gonna look like
Speaker 1: an amazing move that they did in the off season
Speaker 1: to kind of help out with the with the whole
Speaker 1: offense there at the Rams this week, and there there's
Speaker 1: some tough games sprinkled in Saints right after that at
Speaker 1: at New England's in their ats. It's not all easy,
Speaker 1: but you have two games against the Texans, you have
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and you have the Jaguars. There there's four
Speaker 1: games like and then if you just win one or
Speaker 1: two of the other games like that, that's well and
Speaker 1: by the way you can count on the rest of
Speaker 1: your division fumbling and bumbling to know what'll They're in
Speaker 1: a good division, so they yes, this could end up
Speaker 1: in a place where Graver is okay because you're in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and you get your guy back. He didn't
Speaker 1: come to work today because I don't think he was
Speaker 1: able to come in. He's emotionally, it was it was
Speaker 1: too much, too big of a mountain to get over.
Speaker 1: Tuesday's is off day. But I don't totally buy it.
Speaker 1: I think Raver showed a little bit of like a
Speaker 1: lack of professionalism. I'll put it. I'll go out Um
Speaker 1: and Eric and not jumping in because you do. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like we get it. You you host Titans podcast.
Speaker 1: But it is just like you don't even know Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry personally. And the team can still win like you
Speaker 1: just I think they will. I think it's gonna the
Speaker 1: old adage. I don't know if it's an old adage,
Speaker 1: but as long as you have your quarterback still, I
Speaker 1: think the offense, and they have a very good quarterback
Speaker 1: in Ryan Townehill, even without hand, I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: be okay. They're just not as good anymore, and I
Speaker 1: will say this is not the best development to now
Speaker 1: have to put more on the idea of Julio Jones
Speaker 1: being a big part of this team because that signing
Speaker 1: is not or that trade has not worked out for
Speaker 1: them so far. He's always hurt. He's uh, he's had
Speaker 1: a hamstring injury that will not go away. So if
Speaker 1: they get Julio Jones back, if he stays healthy, if A. J.
Speaker 1: Brown could stay healthy, if Ryan town Hill stays healthy,
Speaker 1: I think they're okay, but not a good situation. Uh.
Speaker 1: In other news, this is brutal, this is really terrible news.
Speaker 1: At a Las Vegas UH Tuesday morning here on the
Speaker 1: West Coast, Henry Ruggs, the two thousand, twenty first round
Speaker 1: pick of the Raiders who's having a really good season
Speaker 1: this year, is facing a driving under the influence of
Speaker 1: charge after a fiery vehicle crash early Tuesday in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas left one woman dead. Rugs and his female passenger
Speaker 1: were injured. UH, Las Vegas police said, and Rugs, who's
Speaker 1: twenty two, showed signs of impairment at the scene, and
Speaker 1: the police said in a statement that he will be
Speaker 1: charged with felony d U I resulting in death and
Speaker 1: Mark we obviously your thoughts are with the victims here, um,
Speaker 1: who were involved with the accident a fiery crash in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and just a terrible story all the way
Speaker 1: around that's unfolding as we do this podcast. But Henry
Speaker 1: Ruggs is in a lot of trouble right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it happened at reported time three forty in the morning.
Speaker 1: Um it you know, so you can only wonder what
Speaker 1: what the the lead up to? That was totally tragic. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it changes everyone for the people that have
Speaker 1: been lost, but if you're Henry Ruggs, you're still a
Speaker 1: human being too, And like you spend this the rest
Speaker 1: of your life thinking about this. Um, I had a
Speaker 1: friend growing up where something similar happened when they were
Speaker 1: a teen and like, you know that person who's left
Speaker 1: behind where other people were removed. Um, you're gonna your
Speaker 1: life will be changed forever. And it's it. You know,
Speaker 1: there's the on field side of it too, but it
Speaker 1: really has nothing to do with this at this point.
Speaker 1: You don't wish this upon anybody. This is this is
Speaker 1: awful and unfortunate and just so terrible and gout wrenching.
Speaker 1: For everyone all around, and then just looking at the
Speaker 1: Nevada laws with Henry Rugg's there. I mean he's facing
Speaker 1: between two and twenty years in prison for this. So
Speaker 1: just the mental component of knowing this um moving forward
Speaker 1: and just like just a terrible dumb mistake that could
Speaker 1: have been avoided if this was in fact d u I.
Speaker 1: In other news, UM, as we pivot back to football
Speaker 1: in the field, the Vikings will be without Daniel Hunter
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. Vikings coach Mike Zimmer
Speaker 1: confirmed that Hunter suffered a torn peck in Week eight
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. He'll miss the remainder of the season
Speaker 1: and that is a tough blow for the Vikings greg
Speaker 1: because Hunter was a big time contributor for their defense. Um,
Speaker 1: he was averaging a sack a game. He missed all
Speaker 1: of last year with a disk issue. Uh, and now
Speaker 1: he will miss the rest of this year. So injury
Speaker 1: issues killing Hunter, and it's going to really hurt this Viking.
Speaker 1: I think he's the most valuable player on that defense
Speaker 1: in damashek parlance say, he might be the Jenga piece
Speaker 1: and the two guys you can maybe least afford to
Speaker 1: lose would be him and Patrick Peterson, who's out at
Speaker 1: least for now and for a few more weeks with
Speaker 1: an injury. And yeah, that makes our guy kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: life a lot tougher. It's just hard to see them
Speaker 1: being like a really good defense. They've been pretty good,
Speaker 1: I would say, on balance, but without Hunter, I can't
Speaker 1: our guy kirk Cousins feels a little bit strong. It's
Speaker 1: such a bummer. I don't even know why. He's definitely
Speaker 1: not my guy. I don't well, you're the one slithering
Speaker 1: oiled up and slithering into his PLEXI glass Q, that's right,
Speaker 1: was saying um that he was playing pretty well this
Speaker 1: year and then the thing happened that we were worried
Speaker 1: about that. It's like you get into prime time and
Speaker 1: then it didn't didn't have is the killer? Is the
Speaker 1: killer for the vikings? Why again do you have to
Speaker 1: get all oiled up and to get well? Wasn't that
Speaker 1: part of it? Dude? He has to be completely right.
Speaker 1: Dan said that right a window into Dan's mind. You know, no,
Speaker 1: it's just it's practical. It's I was right there with you.
Speaker 1: I think it's from a from a physical you want
Speaker 1: to make this work, This is how you if you're
Speaker 1: needing a gregg in there, you oil him up. He's
Speaker 1: got no he's got nothing on. He's very smooth. It's
Speaker 1: very like a seal because he has these these products
Speaker 1: from his other podcast, the Grooming Products. So you groom
Speaker 1: them down, very effective. You lather him up, and you
Speaker 1: slide them right into the cube. Put a mask on. Though, Bro,
Speaker 1: do you have a name for the cube other than
Speaker 1: the cube? Well? He and he and Kirk have their
Speaker 1: own little lame You guys can't live out your little
Speaker 1: Kirk cousins. You know, bubble fans. I'm glad this came
Speaker 1: up today. It's a Greg Rosenthal bubble fans, right, at
Speaker 1: least is half Greg fantasy. All right, let's do a
Speaker 1: little before we get to Monday night. Actually, let's do
Speaker 1: a little breaking news. Oh it's like it's like just
Speaker 1: on the borderline. DeShawn Jackson has been released from the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. You know what that means. They couldn't find
Speaker 1: a Traine. They're like, we will give you a maybe
Speaker 1: seventh round pick with a conditional seventh round pick if
Speaker 1: he if he has one catch beyond twelve yards, and
Speaker 1: the other teams were like nah, we're good. He was
Speaker 1: asking for a treat. What are you doing you? You
Speaker 1: came back home. He's from l A. The Rams are
Speaker 1: a good team, and he's like, no, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just Shawn Jackson. I want out. It's not right now.
Speaker 1: You hear the Eagles fan coming out, that ungrateful monster. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder how it all transpired or they told him
Speaker 1: they were going to cut him in out of respect
Speaker 1: to him, then said we'll try to trade you first.
Speaker 1: I don't really know, but it's pretty telling that they
Speaker 1: cut him, even though they just put two two out
Speaker 1: well on I r for the rest of your at
Speaker 1: well was really struggling. But they basically drafted a backup
Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson, a hundred and fifty eight yard like
Speaker 1: guy who goes down the field and can return, who
Speaker 1: is now out for the season, and and yet they're
Speaker 1: still cutting design. If I were a team, it could
Speaker 1: be a personality issue. If that sounds like he he
Speaker 1: probably wasn't thrilled snaps the game. You could go back
Speaker 1: in the arch Kives and find some d jack stuff
Speaker 1: that is not He could have gotten a ring though,
Speaker 1: you know who knows. I would say this and I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's interested in it, but like if
Speaker 1: you're a contender that's not happy with your punt return game,
Speaker 1: for instance, I mean maybe he's a guy that you investigate,
Speaker 1: but you don't really hang it. You're if you're looking
Speaker 1: to open up your offense. At this point, he's just
Speaker 1: not the same game. He feels like a Patriot if
Speaker 1: they didn't already have probow returner gunner shifts. All right,
Speaker 1: let's say the afternoon to light all right. You know
Speaker 1: there's a certain element of football Twitter that just obsesses
Speaker 1: over Philip Rivers. Go ahead, have your fun. Not only
Speaker 1: would he quote, listen to the Saints, listen to a
Speaker 1: team it's the Saints, Greg's other hardcore crush. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: That would be great. He could replace and then ultimately, um,
Speaker 1: maybe do what Drew Brees couldn't in the last year.
Speaker 1: That would be in the last ten years. I guess
Speaker 1: so football polyamorous that it's um it's I'm starting to
Speaker 1: concern me, what is it? Why is Philip River? There's this?
Speaker 1: I guess they don't want him, though it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like they're sent that's like, oh, Philip Rivers, you have fun? Story?
Speaker 1: Did a search Philip Rivers, search and Twitter just to
Speaker 1: like figure out what was going on here, and it
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this person and this person. It's like
Speaker 1: if you're I think there's a certain group of football
Speaker 1: you know, plugged in people that just a door Philip Rivers,
Speaker 1: It's like, we'ren't you know, how about your high school
Speaker 1: team you're coaching. I guess that season wrapped over? Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's had nothing else going on. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: enjoy them to some degree, but telling me he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be better than Trevor Simeon, Taysom Hill's got to ruin
Speaker 1: another Uh, Honestly, I do think Peyton those sounds very
Speaker 1: dug in on keeping the quarterback. I don't think they
Speaker 1: hadn't think their interesting, and which doesn't surprise people that
Speaker 1: nobody wants Kim New and cannot get a job. There's
Speaker 1: been multiple options that have opened up here, still out
Speaker 1: there anyway, including the Panthers. Melvin Ingram is heading to
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, and I saw segments of football Twitter excited
Speaker 1: about this, Connie. A lot of people are excited about
Speaker 1: Melvin Ingham to the Steelers, and that didn't quite work
Speaker 1: out of it didn't and his time was reduced playing
Speaker 1: behind t. J. Watt and Alex Heismith. So he goes
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs, which we know that they could use
Speaker 1: some help on the defense. They're allowing three yards per
Speaker 1: game twenty nine in the NFL. Maybe he couldn't make
Speaker 1: some pop there, all right. Also we have Charles who
Speaker 1: tots and let's see what else we got. We got
Speaker 1: Mark and I asked Seth Paine for a potential breakout
Speaker 1: player on the Texans this year. That was the name
Speaker 1: he gave me back in July. So it's actually Houston.
Speaker 1: That's what he was able to do. It look good
Speaker 1: for him and uh, the doctors in the house, Dan Brown,
Speaker 1: the tight end traded to the Chiefs, coming back to
Speaker 1: Gang Green, Laurent DuVernay, Tardi m D. Doctor h And
Speaker 1: actually that's a nice Sney. That's a five year starter
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs in the past, sat out last year
Speaker 1: helping people during the COVID pandemic, and now a guard
Speaker 1: add to the Jets mixed. The Jets always need to
Speaker 1: find more offensive lineman. That's the trade downline. Poor Allen
Speaker 1: Robinson still forgive about Free O'Dell, who hasn't made a
Speaker 1: play in five years free out. Robinson needs it. He's
Speaker 1: so underappreciated. He's like, I'm still working on chemistry with
Speaker 1: quarterback x Bortles. Travisky folds Penny. I feel removed him
Speaker 1: from the offense to It's like, all right, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do let's let's wrap up weekate. Monday Night football. Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones with DeVante Booker on fourthdown. They had a touchdown
Speaker 1: where Chiefs run up twice les down, he goes and
Speaker 1: now he flips it off to Aligneman who goes down
Speaker 1: that Frank Clark and Chris Jones on back to back
Speaker 1: sacks to win the game. It's good they won. Chiefs
Speaker 1: had fun, but there are still major problems here. Did
Speaker 1: you watch that game match Altis with a call? Yes,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs defense showed up and I was able to
Speaker 1: keep the Giants from putting up much of anything just
Speaker 1: to touchdown in the second half, and then they got
Speaker 1: the field goal they needed to win it. So it's
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs. But you know, Mark, well not right.
Speaker 1: You watch the Chiefs and they're still not right. Not
Speaker 1: only did they have your now obligatory horrendous red zone
Speaker 1: from turnover an interception from Mahomes. There are a couple
Speaker 1: other turnovers that got wiped away, whether it was a
Speaker 1: penalty that took it off the board or a fumble
Speaker 1: that the offensive lineman luckily fell on. That continues to
Speaker 1: be a thing. And even worse, the offense still is
Speaker 1: really jagged and Patrick Mahomes is having trouble getting on
Speaker 1: target with the receivers. There's still so much wrong with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I don't feel any better about them despite
Speaker 1: the win. Everything's not beautiful right now. Those were the
Speaker 1: words from Andy Reid. Well, I mean, I kind of
Speaker 1: loved the quote because I was like, that's how I
Speaker 1: feel watching this team. I think that the oh all
Speaker 1: sorts of things, but this just kind of fit in there.
Speaker 1: But like the gallant and glorious Chiefs that we are
Speaker 1: still like, they're not. They don't exist right now. And
Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty fascinating study in like all
Speaker 1: of us collectively watching football and watching this team that
Speaker 1: we could have just ticketed for the Super Bowl, that
Speaker 1: our eyes have taken a long time to adjust, and
Speaker 1: you know this is up Greg's alley. But like they're
Speaker 1: getting killed against the head because they're being uh, the
Speaker 1: spreads too big on the Chiefs. They don't deserve these
Speaker 1: These people want to people don't want to accept that
Speaker 1: once is a potential long term makes you. Everyone is
Speaker 1: on the same page, like no, no, no, they're gonna
Speaker 1: get right. They're gonna get right. They're gonna and they
Speaker 1: never Vegas is loving it. I mean they're they're building
Speaker 1: new wings to the mirage on the chief Like this, Greg,
Speaker 1: we now live in a world where Tyreek Hill could
Speaker 1: be targeted eighteen times on Monday Night football, turn those
Speaker 1: eighteen targets into twelve catches twelve catches and not finished
Speaker 1: with a hundred yards receiving. I keep hearing people say
Speaker 1: like if if Mahomes and the Chiefs would just be patient,
Speaker 1: stop trying to force I was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: They threw at forty times for two d and seventy
Speaker 1: more yards, Like, patients isn't the problem. Patients is the problem.
Speaker 1: There's no big plays like yes, okay, it's great when
Speaker 1: you go up and down the field slowly and you're
Speaker 1: taking the safe place. But they're averaging five yards per
Speaker 1: play or less than three of their last four games.
Speaker 1: So that's not just the turn over. That's like bottom
Speaker 1: of the league numbers in terms of yards for play,
Speaker 1: so there's no big plays, there's no running game. So
Speaker 1: just piling up a bunch of first downs on the
Speaker 1: way to like three sixty yards against the Giants isn't
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Like they're not getting there on the scoreboard.
Speaker 1: That that part matters. We all lost this game, like
Speaker 1: we all there were no winners. Watching this game, it
Speaker 1: just feels like the Chiefs are a shell of themselves.
Speaker 1: All of those penalties, how many twelve for one three,
Speaker 1: It's just so I find it interesting, though, to watch
Speaker 1: the Chiefs struggling this much. To me, it makes good
Speaker 1: TV because it's so surprising. You're like, I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey with the fumble, I'm like, what how is
Speaker 1: that possible? And he was on the sideline for a
Speaker 1: while and then came in. It's just yes, it didn't
Speaker 1: feel like but said that afterwards, I think Michael Irvan
Speaker 1: came on the Manning cast and I thought what he
Speaker 1: said about us, by the way, he was great, but
Speaker 1: just you know, you've been the champs, you've been up
Speaker 1: there for so long, and mentally that you you work
Speaker 1: on something all week. We can't do these turnovers. We
Speaker 1: know how defenses are gonna play us every week. It's
Speaker 1: the same exact Chiefs game, and they can't get out
Speaker 1: of it, and they keep just making them say. He says,
Speaker 1: it'll just drive you crazy, and there's there's like there's
Speaker 1: no like easy solution to where they are mentally, and
Speaker 1: he thinks like Mahomes and read and all of it.
Speaker 1: You can hear it with that comment that Andy Reid
Speaker 1: is usually not to coach you here like that. Imagine
Speaker 1: if we knew in August that this would be a
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes stat coming out of a real game. Fifteen
Speaker 1: for fifteen for a hundred and twenty yards on passes
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. That is the most by
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the game since right in one for
Speaker 1: eleven outside the numbers like they can't get more patient,
Speaker 1: they're retreating, they're like backing up. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: they have to figure out a way to get big
Speaker 1: plays because that's that's like what the Chiefs are. This
Speaker 1: is not this is like he's trying all these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that are pressing because they're young. It's like they're trying
Speaker 1: to make big plays and it's not working in the Giants,
Speaker 1: I thought did a nice job on defense to kind
Speaker 1: of just like rush three guys a bunch of times
Speaker 1: and just cloud the secondary and right there was nobody open.
Speaker 1: It was crazy because there was no pass rush, which
Speaker 1: just makes you. It does you're not used to Okay,
Speaker 1: the Giants have zero pass rush, and yet they're so
Speaker 1: Now now, if you're trying to rationalize how do the
Speaker 1: Chiefs fix this? You think, okay, there four and four.
Speaker 1: The rest of the a f C West is kind
Speaker 1: of calmed down a little bit. Here. The Charges will
Speaker 1: come back to the pack The Broncos are ready for
Speaker 1: a rebuild of some kind. The Raiders are the Raiders.
Speaker 1: You don't know what to expect from them, but they're
Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, win fourteen games. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's still there for the Chiefs to get things under
Speaker 1: control and get a home game and win a division.
Speaker 1: But then you look at their road ahead, and you
Speaker 1: got the Packers up next, and then beyond that, the
Speaker 1: toughest schedule in the NFL from this point forward, and
Speaker 1: you just wonder if this is gonna end in a
Speaker 1: way that nobody could have predicted, which is a relatively
Speaker 1: healthy Chiefs team just bottoming out and not making the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I wonder, I guess this is the last part
Speaker 1: of my um brain that's like I refuse to accept
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs are this vulnerable. Is that they will
Speaker 1: rise to the competition and we'll see a great shootout
Speaker 1: with the Packers County. But at the same time, there's
Speaker 1: too much evidence right now that they're going to continue
Speaker 1: to scuffle on offense, well, especially against the Packers, who
Speaker 1: have won seven straight games. They've just been on a
Speaker 1: tear and the Chiefs they just can't It seems when
Speaker 1: I watched them, they just can't adapt to their new reality,
Speaker 1: which is what we've seen all season long. And Mahomes
Speaker 1: he keeps pressing, he keeps trying to take those deep shots,
Speaker 1: and they're just not working. It worked a little bit
Speaker 1: when they were running the ball. The offense did a
Speaker 1: tiny bit and we saw Derek Gore scores first touchdown,
Speaker 1: but Andy Reid, having watched him so long in Philly
Speaker 1: and so many times just screaming at him to run
Speaker 1: the ball more, I don't think that's going to have
Speaker 1: That is sort of the answer, to run the ball better,
Speaker 1: and the Packers are absolutely going to target Daniel Sorensen.
Speaker 1: I mean that was he was Waldo out there, and
Speaker 1: he's been Waldo and they gave up Sorenson, gave up
Speaker 1: a perfect passer rating to Daniel Jones. So even Evan
Speaker 1: Ingrand got a touchdown on him. It's not pretty what
Speaker 1: we're seeing. If you want to make a case for them,
Speaker 1: their defense has played well for six quarters. Their defense
Speaker 1: won them that game. Well, I mean against the Giants offense,
Speaker 1: which again is missing, Like Tony got hurt during the game.
Speaker 1: Shephard got hurt during the game, and who else wants
Speaker 1: It's crazy how this is every week. Yeah, you wonder like,
Speaker 1: what the what did the Giants do? What? What did
Speaker 1: they do to deserve this injury? Lucky you enter that
Speaker 1: game without Barkley, without Holiday, you lose Shephard, you lose,
Speaker 1: lose Pettis, Tony is compromised of the thumb injury. And
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. We talked about it on the TV show Greg.
Speaker 1: We both kind of liked Daniel Jones, but so you
Speaker 1: can't really put it on his feet because Mark, who's
Speaker 1: he throwing too? With the game on the line in
Speaker 1: that spot, It's like Evan ingram ingram and pray for uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know, a thunderstorm to take everyone off. John
Speaker 1: Ross right, a big seas you'd say, like Darius Slayton
Speaker 1: was trade dangled and trade rumors as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I think if anything, if you're the Giants like
Speaker 1: you come out of this season, let's just say it
Speaker 1: plays out and there's sort of you know, milk toes
Speaker 1: from here to the end with with a different opinion
Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones that I went into the season with,
Speaker 1: and that that maybe is your positive one little giant snugget,
Speaker 1: like I know that they Joe Judge looked terrible, like
Speaker 1: burning those timeouts, right, He basically came out and oh yes,
Speaker 1: let's it's very spicy. Every single stadium this year home
Speaker 1: in a way, I've had issues personally. Look, I don't know. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this all about headsets. We
Speaker 1: have things. I'd say that whoever's in charge of it,
Speaker 1: whoever the guys, look, Jordan's on the exact Dansher that
Speaker 1: comes more through the leaguer arsiter exactly, but they better
Speaker 1: fix it fast. That was like us before the show, right,
Speaker 1: no show had that persisted and that there was no
Speaker 1: show from the Giants. I mean that sounded like passing
Speaker 1: the buck. I have a very stern warning. You know.
Speaker 1: The NFL put out the statement where they even product
Speaker 1: placement in the statement that it could not be the
Speaker 1: fault of the bows head. They said both that was
Speaker 1: an official statement for the NFL with like a restricted
Speaker 1: circle around bows and all caps in the statement. I
Speaker 1: love when he says like it could be, it could
Speaker 1: be the NFL could be our people, Like if it
Speaker 1: is like you potentially taking like eight Giants employees and
Speaker 1: just whipping them under an eighteen wheeler, Joe Judge, I
Speaker 1: don't think will be there next year if this continues.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones felt like he was collapsing a little under
Speaker 1: the weight of everything that was. That was one of
Speaker 1: his worst two games he had to where he's not
Speaker 1: really played well this one in the Cowboys. Joe Judge
Speaker 1: has been outscored in the I couldn't believe this that
Speaker 1: I had no idea, but they just put it up
Speaker 1: on the graphics last night. The Giants have been outscored
Speaker 1: forty two to nothing in the final two minutes of
Speaker 1: the of the final two minutes of the first half,
Speaker 1: in games this year. What that like? That is coaching?
Speaker 1: Like that is the that is coaching. Like if I
Speaker 1: think about Bill Belichick, for instance, what advantage does he
Speaker 1: give you? He gives you the advantage in the final
Speaker 1: two minutes of the first half and the second half,
Speaker 1: that is coaching. They lost this game partially because of
Speaker 1: penalties and taunting and stuff, and that's like all Joe
Speaker 1: Judge talks about, so like taunting, that's man. I couldn't
Speaker 1: remember when he dove um at training camp on the
Speaker 1: ball in the rain, all the players mobbed him. Don't
Speaker 1: you remember that? Yeah, you were not a fan of
Speaker 1: that when it occurred, though, No, I'm just I think
Speaker 1: he's I think is cooked. I think the Giants are
Speaker 1: heading towards a reboot and uh cook and obviously gentleman.
Speaker 1: The most I do wonder like when they interviewed Joe Judge,
Speaker 1: who wasn't a coordinator calling plays. He's not that guy.
Speaker 1: It's like, why, Like these interviews are like fourteen hours long?
Speaker 1: Do you I would put them through like a grilled
Speaker 1: like a out of Greg run. It like an insane
Speaker 1: end of half test where we need to see Joe
Speaker 1: Judge clock management Joe Judge um thriving in that scenario.
Speaker 1: You don't want to find out week one if you
Speaker 1: can't do to test Greg Rosenthal's clock management when he's
Speaker 1: not sitting in a podcast studio twelve hours after the game,
Speaker 1: would I love it. You need time simulation. We need
Speaker 1: like one of those like virtual reality things, and then
Speaker 1: you put them inside like when they're like flight training
Speaker 1: or whatever, and just give him the game experience of
Speaker 1: the sidelines. I don't want to be the coach. I
Speaker 1: want to be the guy up in the booth to
Speaker 1: say and take the time out. Now you know that guy, right,
Speaker 1: But I just I'm not saying you couldn't do it,
Speaker 1: but I'd like to see it. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: how it how it plays out, that's all. Joe Judge
Speaker 1: has a shot here. They have nine games left, Like
Speaker 1: I think they've been better than the record shows that
Speaker 1: keep saying that, Like this is where the end of
Speaker 1: the season does matter for these teams. Like if they
Speaker 1: finished seven and ten, if they'll probably the Mars will
Speaker 1: convince themselves to keep them. So it's like to him,
Speaker 1: those nine games matter. If they do five and four
Speaker 1: in their final nine, it's like they'll probably does Judge
Speaker 1: get I have been outside of the time management sins
Speaker 1: like he also hasn't had all those players on the fields,
Speaker 1: Miss Daniel Jones, Um Joe, Judge and Rich this week
Speaker 1: who grew up a Giants fan? Oh? Both Special Teams coach.
Speaker 1: I thought Chris Tabor for that. The Bears had a
Speaker 1: little juice, added a little juice without Naggi all the
Speaker 1: Special Teams coaches. Fun fact, seven percent of Giants fans
Speaker 1: their last name is baccia Um. And how about clock
Speaker 1: clock management simulation chamber. We get Rosenthal in there and
Speaker 1: just see what happens. I think it come up. I
Speaker 1: hope it's not great for social You're right, it's different
Speaker 1: when you're in the arena when when you like it
Speaker 1: was easy to answer those wind Wests Toaster questions, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly you got into the competition. And I shouldn't
Speaker 1: remember in a closet, West, who famously acknowledged, like like
Speaker 1: myself had like these time management things that you bring
Speaker 1: up like that was one blind spot for West that
Speaker 1: he would say, you had no idea what's happening at
Speaker 1: the end of these And I agree with him. And
Speaker 1: one more thing before we take a break here and
Speaker 1: hit Thursday Night Football in the chamber and the Clock
Speaker 1: Management Simulation Chamber see m SC. You need to be
Speaker 1: stripped down and lived up. Stop it to get in.
Speaker 1: You're at home with that. I'm right back right yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd take it as a compliment. It's like, guys really
Speaker 1: want it all right, Prianka take it away. I make
Speaker 1: tube wait wait. Such a great singer. The song is delightful.
Speaker 1: The only problem with this song, I hate that they
Speaker 1: removed moved off this. This was my favorite then they
Speaker 1: it's all these other class was before. It's unfortunate Colleen
Speaker 1: never got to work on a broadcast that's kicked off
Speaker 1: by can you just play it one more time? The
Speaker 1: only thing because I've listened to the song and full
Speaker 1: recently when we did the live shows in London, I
Speaker 1: put together and you can find it on Spotify, a
Speaker 1: like best of a t M playlist and I dug
Speaker 1: out this one your city or whatever it's called. Will
Speaker 1: I am fingerprints like two thousand ten arrow, will I
Speaker 1: m are all over this? Oh my gosh it is
Speaker 1: You're right He's on this, so it's like all you
Speaker 1: hear is like got come out and all this like
Speaker 1: black Eyed Peas bullsh This is the song was dominated
Speaker 1: for a World Music Award Best Song, not a surprise
Speaker 1: cut Cut Cut Cut coming. I be able to get
Speaker 1: that out of my head now, and they'd have like
Speaker 1: if it was the Giants, for say, like it was
Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones's face, like shimmering along the Empire State buildings.
Speaker 1: I love the lyrics too, because you can really dive
Speaker 1: into him. Everybody's welcome here. Everybody welcome to my city.
Speaker 1: We ain't got no worries here. I know you're gonna
Speaker 1: like it in It's also not true of any city.
Speaker 1: You got a friend in me, you ain't gonna want
Speaker 1: to leave alright. Thursday November four, two thousand twenty one.
Speaker 1: Week nine commences with the New York Jets, fresh off
Speaker 1: that really fun victory over the Bangals where Mike White
Speaker 1: through for four hundred yards in his first career. Are ah,
Speaker 1: so much fun. Now they go to Indianapolis to face
Speaker 1: the Cult. So it's the Jets at Lucas Oil Stadium.
Speaker 1: The Cults are favored by ten and a half points,
Speaker 1: which seems a little bit high. I'm gonna say it, um, Connie,
Speaker 1: you will be in Indianapolis, where I understand it's going
Speaker 1: to be in the twenties and the set will be outside.
Speaker 1: That's just rumors that I heard from a source, the
Speaker 1: source being Andrews Siciliano. Um you have seriously, I did
Speaker 1: not know that outside unpleasant pregame show is I get it,
Speaker 1: But um so, anyway, I would say, just from a
Speaker 1: broadcast standpoint, conn the combine from the inside luck to fine.
Speaker 1: I think we have to be outside in Minneapolis too brutal. Anyways, Fine,
Speaker 1: the Jets not a lot of juice. Obviously, still two
Speaker 1: in five, but at least you have this Mike White
Speaker 1: follow up game and the Cults in a virtual must
Speaker 1: win situation. I love Mike White. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you feel about him, but coming into this game, when
Speaker 1: I was watching the games on Sunday and watching Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz give the game away and lose, I had Mike
Speaker 1: White and he was He's kind of like my night
Speaker 1: and shining armor riding into this Thursday night game because
Speaker 1: I we need something like him because the Jets before
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie it wasn't that exciting. Don't take
Speaker 1: offense to that, but I loved how poised he was.
Speaker 1: I loved how confident he was throwing for over four
Speaker 1: hundred yards and those three touchdowns against the Bengals, who
Speaker 1: everybody was so excited about. Someone's so excited about that defense,
Speaker 1: specifically in Cincinnati, and having never played a snap before
Speaker 1: in his first career. Start love it. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this because we saw Robert sal say
Speaker 1: after the game on Sunday that anything's possible if if
Speaker 1: Mike White and this is all the Jets fans are
Speaker 1: just gonna sucked in because you know something very bad
Speaker 1: is going to happen on Thursday, Winds, Mike White is
Speaker 1: injured on the first possession, or Mike White throws five interceptions.
Speaker 1: It's coming. And I'm telling you, football gods, you can't
Speaker 1: surprise me because I know something bad is coming, so
Speaker 1: you can't hurt me. I just know that I know
Speaker 1: football gods anyway. If I mean, when you openly herbally
Speaker 1: challenged the football gods, they'll find a way to thought.
Speaker 1: Like a lot, it does feel like well what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it feels like they're begging you to take the Jets,
Speaker 1: which is a concern. If the football gods somehow overlook
Speaker 1: this game, and they're like, oh, I thought the Jets
Speaker 1: are playing on Sunday. We wanted to bang him um
Speaker 1: and Mike White plays really well again. Zach Wilson is
Speaker 1: not playing week ten. He is not. They're gonna say
Speaker 1: take another week on that knee, and Robert sal is
Speaker 1: gonna straight up be like, I want to see if
Speaker 1: I could ride something here with this kid. Where a
Speaker 1: long way away from that mark, But the fact that
Speaker 1: that's even a subplot that you get to watch and enjoy,
Speaker 1: I'm happy about. He kind of reminds me of like
Speaker 1: Kelly Holcomb when he came out of nowhere and just
Speaker 1: started throwing like four yards game and like, well, but
Speaker 1: a lot of this, like the jet if you go
Speaker 1: watch Holcomb took him to the playoffs. Holcomb was like
Speaker 1: a thing that unse needed Tim Couch and I'm just
Speaker 1: saying these things happen, and I kind of like Solo's
Speaker 1: open mindedness to like, let's ride this thing out, like
Speaker 1: don't bury a hot hand. And Zach Wilson maybe could
Speaker 1: use a little rest, but a lot of it came
Speaker 1: last week. Me through the ball forty five times yards
Speaker 1: after the catch was like six the yardage. I thought
Speaker 1: they got it. They got Michael Carter on the ground
Speaker 1: to get going. Finally it looked like a functional offense.
Speaker 1: And I thought that Mike White also the thing I
Speaker 1: liked about him, Like I think, I tweeted like, after
Speaker 1: an early he started, you know, nine for eleven for eleven,
Speaker 1: Mike White is a god. Like one second later he
Speaker 1: threw a killer interception. I just wrote, Mike White is
Speaker 1: not a god. But I should have done another tweet
Speaker 1: on top of that tweet at some point saying Mike
Speaker 1: White might be a god because the way he came
Speaker 1: back from all that nonsense was very resilient. And I
Speaker 1: like that this. Your guys are gonna hate that I
Speaker 1: keep mentioning this, but I think that there was a
Speaker 1: fair amount of comfort on Michael Floor's part to not
Speaker 1: have to be down on the sideline coaching. Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: person personally was up in the booth seeing the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and Mike White basically said, I don't need the coach
Speaker 1: down the sideline. I'm ready to roll. So there's something
Speaker 1: about this camp happiness in Connecticut. That's what I thought
Speaker 1: you were leading into. So that, yeah, there's I just
Speaker 1: think that you know, he's married to he has I
Speaker 1: believe twins or it's a child of some sort. Very
Speaker 1: nice man. Well, I don't think it's a slight to
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. You did do a lot of investigating and
Speaker 1: there was lots to investigate. I can tell you that
Speaker 1: going on. Um, I don't think it's a slight to
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson to say that Mike White showed a clear,
Speaker 1: bigger command of the offense. Like the balls coming out
Speaker 1: of his hands, he knew where to go with it.
Speaker 1: They're calling all these Shanahan type plays and it's just
Speaker 1: like he I think at this point he's been in
Speaker 1: the league for four years, not all with you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Fleur, but he was a draft pick in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: that he was ready for the opportunity and that he
Speaker 1: just understands the offense more than a he did. And
Speaker 1: it just made made me feel better about what the
Speaker 1: Jets are trying to do on offense because, as Mike
Speaker 1: Mark said, it just looked like an NFL offense Again,
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco trade kind of looks weird now, yeah Flacco, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so my guard's up there. Whether that was a you know,
Speaker 1: once in a in a lifetime thing with your backup
Speaker 1: quarterback in this first start, And I'll be accepting if
Speaker 1: that's what it is, and I'll just be happy that
Speaker 1: it ever happened. But maybe it turns into like the
Speaker 1: NFL version of insanity and he gets hot, and it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see on the cult side. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: they've had crushing losses before this season, uh, and they've
Speaker 1: bounced back. You may recall the loss to the Ravens
Speaker 1: on Monday Night a few weeks back, that they let
Speaker 1: that game get away. They follow that up with wins
Speaker 1: over the Texas Texans and Niners, and now they have
Speaker 1: another crushing loss to the Titans. But howalla we just
Speaker 1: as we know, Derrick Henry is not in the picture anymore.
Speaker 1: You got the Jets this week in your building, Go
Speaker 1: get a W there. You got the Jaguars next week,
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in football in your building,
Speaker 1: Get a W right there. Then you're five and five
Speaker 1: and then you could check out and the schedule tightens
Speaker 1: up then because you got bills and bucks. But let's
Speaker 1: see where they are in two weeks this division with
Speaker 1: Tennessee two weeks without Derrick Henry and the Colts hopefully
Speaker 1: taking care of to the worst teams in the league.
Speaker 1: Maybe they have c South isn't done yet. It may
Speaker 1: not be done. But it is fools gold to me
Speaker 1: on some level that the Colts have lost eight straight games.
Speaker 1: This is not the fool's gold part. They've lost eight
Speaker 1: straight games two teams above five hundred. I mean, they
Speaker 1: are a solid team that beats bad teams. But like
Speaker 1: we're talking about projecting them into late December, Uh, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I need it. Well, I'm not projecting what
Speaker 1: is the former Eagles? You know what We're in the
Speaker 1: last eight minutes of that game. Not great for him.
Speaker 1: He's It's funny because I think he's been better than
Speaker 1: people realized this year for the most part. But then
Speaker 1: he went like full winds and weirdly, the reaction in
Speaker 1: INDIANAPO this was like blaming Frank Reich after the game.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Frank Greig's the only reason you guys got
Speaker 1: a chance. Frank Reich did it to himself, like he
Speaker 1: came in and he's I love Frank Creig. I think
Speaker 1: he's one of the best play callers. And he also
Speaker 1: has this like like when he blames everything on himself.
Speaker 1: It's not the Belichick move where he just like says
Speaker 1: that Frank Greig seems torn up inside, like he was
Speaker 1: putting it all on himself, and they sort of bought that,
Speaker 1: Like I shouldn't have called that tight end screen in
Speaker 1: the end zone where Wentz ended up throwing the pick.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but every other quarterback would have just
Speaker 1: thrown it at the running backs feet right away, Like,
Speaker 1: so don't put it all on you, Frank, Right, it's
Speaker 1: the guy you brought him about the hideous pick six, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am not defending Carson Wentz's throw. It was a
Speaker 1: tricky play, but it was could have thrown it out
Speaker 1: of stuff. So his body was going I watched a
Speaker 1: few times yesterday. His body was going away from the
Speaker 1: running back went the other direction, and then he did
Speaker 1: have a tight end. I think it was Ali Cox.
Speaker 1: He was. He was in flat, but there was either
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman in front of blocking his vision there
Speaker 1: so he couldn't do it without hitting his line, in
Speaker 1: which I guess would have been grounding. So he just
Speaker 1: I guess it was a panic, but there wasn't like
Speaker 1: a clear like oh that was so easy. He should
Speaker 1: have done this. It was a tricky and through from
Speaker 1: his left. Now, there's one other things that I took
Speaker 1: out of the game, Connie, and I'm sure this happened
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia as things got grizzily near the end there.
Speaker 1: Check out the body language of the other Cults players
Speaker 1: on that pick six and then also on the interception,
Speaker 1: which by the way, Jonathan Taylor was wide open over
Speaker 1: the middle. Um where it's just like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: we're trying to win a ball game here, We're trying
Speaker 1: to stay in this division. In hindsight, with he imagine
Speaker 1: if they won that game again, they had multiple drives
Speaker 1: in overtime, they could have won aged everything. Just one
Speaker 1: quick thing for the Jets defense is they were different
Speaker 1: with Jared Davis and especially C. J. Mosley back, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna be trying to stop a very good Cults
Speaker 1: running back in Taylor. My favorite thing about that wins
Speaker 1: play and people are acting like it was it had
Speaker 1: to be a safety or an interception. Well, no it didn't.
Speaker 1: But um, when he's ripped to the ground, he kind
Speaker 1: of peeks his head up and looks at like the
Speaker 1: upshot of what he's just done, and the look on
Speaker 1: his face and he still got a face mask on.
Speaker 1: Um was beautiful. Mark still, you know, because the Browns
Speaker 1: passed on Carson Wentz and that was that was an
Speaker 1: issue for a while. But now it's not an issue.
Speaker 1: And you like to have your heads. Remember all that
Speaker 1: you and Sam You're you're doing like Sam Donald dance
Speaker 1: around your house every night. It's the same like when
Speaker 1: when the cornerback you had. How do you know about
Speaker 1: my Sam Donald dance? I mean right there, you know,
Speaker 1: like from what I know. So just think of all
Speaker 1: the time though you wasted, you know, worrying internally combusting
Speaker 1: because you thought Carson Wentz was gonna turn into like
Speaker 1: this Hall of Famer. Well the remember when the Browns
Speaker 1: from office was getting roasted for various people saying we
Speaker 1: didn't see Carson Wentz as a franchise quarterback. Check that box.
Speaker 1: You were correct, Baby management wins again. Well okay, that's strong,
Speaker 1: all right, good stuff. I like, no football gods, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna get me. I know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I know it's I know it's coming. But if you're
Speaker 1: a person that likes the desert, keep an eye on
Speaker 1: this one. So they're dragging Mike White outside that even
Speaker 1: I think to win. I think it's I think that
Speaker 1: that's a ton of wood to lay on a Jets
Speaker 1: team that's feeling revitalized. Now. The Jets famously played down
Speaker 1: to expectations, so they could show up like the Patriots
Speaker 1: game version of the Jets as well. But just keep
Speaker 1: an eye. We've we've had like Nick Mullins games before
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night football, So it wouldn't be the craziest
Speaker 1: thing to have Mike White coming to the podium dragging
Speaker 1: him out to twenty degrees. Well, no, I don't think
Speaker 1: that they'll have the roof open there, so I think
Speaker 1: it should be but it's just outside heard again or
Speaker 1: else he would be a good one. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of some spicy Nelson was not in the walkthrough either,
Speaker 1: um for Tuesday's practice, So that's something to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. Connie. You said it all I have, UM please, UM.
Speaker 1: If you do speak with Mike White, tell him I'm
Speaker 1: in love with him, no problem. If you don't speak
Speaker 1: with him, as I expect you not to, because I
Speaker 1: know what's happening here and I know what's about to
Speaker 1: happen and you can't do this to me because I
Speaker 1: know what's happening. Well, this is so sweet of you.
Speaker 1: It's so sad also to see the internal workings of this.
Speaker 1: Tell the Colts congratulations on the wind. I mean, you
Speaker 1: kind of want to see Connie with Carson Wentz because
Speaker 1: something could go down there to some degree. Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: has to put a mask on immediately upon re entering
Speaker 1: the field for handshakes. So I don't know if do
Speaker 1: you want a guy with the mask during the interview process?
Speaker 1: Is that even allowed to interview them? You can take off?
Speaker 1: I think I think we would have to get off
Speaker 1: of the desk and then not happening. There's not a
Speaker 1: great interview. There a cube that we can get Greg
Speaker 1: into with Winz slather Greg up, all right? I mean
Speaker 1: I take this all as a compliment that this is
Speaker 1: what you should. You're protecting yourself, though, Dan against potential disappointment.
Speaker 1: I know, I've I've been through this before, only now
Speaker 1: I'm modifying my fandom just slightly. I'm back in. But
Speaker 1: you can't hurt me as I know what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do. He's growing. I see you, and there's nothing
Speaker 1: you can do to me? Are giggling up in the clouds.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back Thursday, uh with a another
Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, um the preview show, but also
Speaker 1: Thursday night will recap this game. And check out Connie
Speaker 1: Fox of course on NFL Network where she'll have this
Speaker 1: on Lockdown. Also Connie and Ricky Hollywood on the Split
Speaker 1: Ends podcast. I believe you had Rachel Bennetta on Today
Speaker 1: Awesome on the Power Ranking. She's a rising star. We
Speaker 1: like her, so check that show out. Anything else? Mark,
Speaker 1: do you have a plug? How's your what's going on
Speaker 1: with the Underdog's column? Take us through it? I actually
Speaker 1: mentioned that Jets spread. I thought that was in the
Speaker 1: inane and I told people, go take your hard earned
Speaker 1: money and you put it on the Jets, baby, I
Speaker 1: subtext in sub text. I didn't actually say that that
Speaker 1: was my I'm not allowed to, but that's what you
Speaker 1: should be reading on a different level. All right, Greg,
Speaker 1: do you have any other thoughts about the Shaun Watson situation?
Speaker 1: Before we signed off today? That was that was it
Speaker 1: culmination of months of wasting our time? All right, there
Speaker 1: we go, that's it. Theyn't had the signing off for
Speaker 1: the tiny box, the old boss fide storm, Ricky Hollywood,
Speaker 1: behind the glass, Where's braver? Isn't tears until Thursday hed
Speaker 1: that call