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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast read smart people books from

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Speaker 1: the Chris Westling podcast studio. That's a man who read

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Speaker 1: a lot of smart books. It's the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Dan Hands is here. He's got some heroes, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and sitting to my right. Oh, it's been

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Speaker 1: too long and it's always a blessing for the show.

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Speaker 1: Connie Fox The Tiny Boxes in the House. Hello, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: great to see you, guys. Great to see you. Somebody

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Speaker 1: tweeted at me, um, you were t n F last week.

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Speaker 1: Where were you You were Arizona, Arizona. Someone shouted out

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Speaker 1: while you were doing a live hit. Uh, tiny Box.

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Speaker 1: It happens all the time and I love it, so

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Speaker 1: keep doing it, guys. It's great. It's always like stay

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Speaker 1: heyed Dan. But what is like, what does Steve Smith

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Speaker 1: think about that being shouted at you? Does he understand

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Speaker 1: like the lineage of that nicknames? How many people? It

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Speaker 1: feels like a nickname that needs context, but we never

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Speaker 1: give it the count. I think it needs lots of context.

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Speaker 1: We're just happy. The large boxes not what took hold

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Speaker 1: in the imagination. Absolutely not. We're not going to do

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Speaker 1: Huge Box. Colleen's here, it's awesome. We are at the

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Speaker 1: trade In fact, look at this play along because I

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Speaker 1: know actually passed twenty two minutes ago, but where can

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Speaker 1: it act like it's about to pass now? All right?

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Speaker 1: Here we are twelve fifty nine on the West coast,

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Speaker 1: Ricky count us down like Dick Clark and the biggest

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Speaker 1: my god. The best day of the year to kiss,

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Speaker 1: get your hands off in Sessler colleague trade deadline has

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Speaker 1: passed a little bit of a dad not a lot

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Speaker 1: of drama, but there was one huge name moved. And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get through the big names connected to the

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Speaker 1: trade deadline, whether they were moved or not. And you

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Speaker 1: gotta start, of course, with Von Miller and Connie. This

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Speaker 1: is a big one. The Denver Broncos agreed to trade

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Speaker 1: the eight time Pro Bowl linebacker to who else, the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams for a second and third round pick

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Speaker 1: and this is this is interesting. There's a little brock

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Speaker 1: Oswiler vibe here. The Broncos will also pay nine million

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Speaker 1: of Miller's remaining nine point seven million bass salary for

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Speaker 1: the nine games left in the season, so they said,

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Speaker 1: we'll take the money, give us the picks. Uh, Connie,

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Speaker 1: what do you think? A lot of excitement? Obviously, Von

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Is this going to be as big a

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be I'm I'm selling this, I'm all

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Speaker 1: The Rams right now they lead the league in sacks,

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Speaker 1: to play this week. I love it. I think it

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Speaker 1: sets up really well for them. Plus when you think

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Speaker 1: This is it though, I mean, I have nothing else

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Speaker 1: You might as well get those picks. Yes, is it

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Speaker 1: It's not like they're out for next year. Right, That's

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Speaker 1: Uh there, it's not like they're out for next year

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Speaker 1: But did you see the rumors that the Broncos traded

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Speaker 1: but what if Steven ross Uh engaged with DeShawn Watson.

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Speaker 1: I don't not not that when it's been presented this

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Speaker 1: whole time, it's been presented in a way two A

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Speaker 1: inspire like other teams to jump into the bidding, like

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Speaker 1: you're doing the bidding for this person, and almost almost

431
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Speaker 1: to a report, it almost never brings up why you're

432
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Speaker 1: in this situation and that he's likely not going to

433
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Speaker 1: play this year and all of the other implications it's

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Speaker 1: just from the football side, and I think that's letting

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Speaker 1: the agent and Deshaun Watson off easy every time you

436
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Speaker 1: do it, because it's basically trying to pull the wool

437
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Speaker 1: over the viewers eyes that like, what are we talking

438
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Speaker 1: about here? We're talking about someone who is in this

439
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: situation because he's been sued and facing charges for sexual

440
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Speaker 1: assault and sexual misconduct. Like I I am amazed. And

441
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: and it's partly because I've heard some of these people

442
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: talk behind the scenes to and it's like there, like

443
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: it's a it's not not everything has to be both sides,

444
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: Like this isn't a both sides. Do you want the

445
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Speaker 1: agent to drop Deshaun Watson? Would that appease you? On

446
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: this front? Like the agent is doing what agents do,

447
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: which is I don't really care what Greg or anyone

448
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: else thinks about this side of it. I'm I'm here

449
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: to defend my client. And again it's like this, this

450
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Speaker 1: is not the first player that has been through something

451
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: that's ghastly to us or to most observers. But the

452
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Speaker 1: agent's job, he's simply doing it. Whether you like him

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Speaker 1: or not, I get it. And he is maybe the

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Speaker 1: most powerful or one of the most powerful agents there is.

455
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Speaker 1: What I don't like is trading the relationships that you

456
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Speaker 1: have developed with the reporters over the years for this situation.

457
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Speaker 1: This is the insider game is so dirty that like

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Speaker 1: this is it not the departure point for that being

459
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Speaker 1: it is left, all right, But I can't think of

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Speaker 1: one like this. That's how, but that's how information is

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00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: broken and traded between agents and insiders. So this is

462
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Speaker 1: not This is not a new thing that just happens

463
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Speaker 1: to be caught up in a very volatile situation and

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Speaker 1: a criminal case, which makes it very thorny. And I

465
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Speaker 1: can understand greg your opinion on this. Um, all right,

466
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: let's move. We got him, let's move. The deadline passed,

467
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: give it to me and give me the Jack Bower clock.

468
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: Got Rosenthal fired up, Odell beckhams He's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: But it feels like speaking of agents and other people

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Speaker 1: working behind the scenes to get what they want for

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Speaker 1: their clients, not without some effort to get him moved

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Speaker 1: away from a Cleveland Browns team where he has not

473
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Speaker 1: been able to move the needle since his arrival in

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Speaker 1: the Trade of the Giants a couple of years back. Um,

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Speaker 1: just On Tuesday, you had Odell Beckham Sr. Post a

476
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Speaker 1: eleven minute video showing all the time Baker Mayfield missed

477
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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham on passing routes over the past two seasons.

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Speaker 1: Uh soundtracked, And at first I was like, did Odib

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Speaker 1: Senior put this together? Yeah? No, you know he posted.

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Speaker 1: I was like, he's an r EM fan. That's cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was the first thing I thought, is like, do

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Speaker 1: the Beckham's love? I didn't watch the video, and what

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Speaker 1: song is it? What's everybody hurts? So the entire the

484
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Speaker 1: entirety of everybody hurts, like the most modeling like pop

485
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Speaker 1: hit of the last thirty years, playing to Baker Mayfield,

486
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Speaker 1: airmailing throws to Odell Beckham, and then all sort of

487
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Speaker 1: all sorts of like amazing dad hashtags, which I'll get

488
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Speaker 1: to in a minute. And then at the same time

489
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Speaker 1: this is all breaking. You have Lebron James, who's the

490
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Speaker 1: most confusing sports fan Connie in the world. He's like

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Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan, but he's a Browns fan. He's a

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Speaker 1: Yankees fan, and then he's always at Rams games. I

493
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Speaker 1: don't even know what's going on. He tweets that you

494
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Speaker 1: know you gotta make O'Dell grade again, get him out

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Speaker 1: of Cleveland. I thought you were a Browns fan. I

496
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Speaker 1: don't even know what's going on air. But at the

497
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Speaker 1: end of the day, the Browns don't make the move.

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Speaker 1: Should they have traded O'Dell Beckham Jr. Colleen wolf Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they were in a position to

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Speaker 1: do that with his contract, but just in general, his

501
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: dad just doing the most sports dad thing ever. I

502
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: can't believe he went and got this whole thing cut

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Speaker 1: up with production value of some sort two R. E.

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00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: M obviously had to think. I think someone did that.

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Speaker 1: Someone went through the efforts. But it's it's true because

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Speaker 1: Odell and Baker they just have no chemistry. And we've

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Speaker 1: seen it time and time again. Coming off that game

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Speaker 1: against the Steelers one catch for six yards, even case

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Speaker 1: Keenum and him had a something that was a little

510
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Speaker 1: bit better going in that game against the Broncos. So listen, Dad,

511
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: he's going for it. And it's just a little bit

512
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Speaker 1: of a nuclear option here. But there was no chance

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Speaker 1: that the Browns were going to well. I mean, I'd

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Speaker 1: say this like it's kind of like everyone's fault to

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Speaker 1: me in terms of the on everybody's fault that too.

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Speaker 1: I I mean since twenty En Mayfield has a sixty

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00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: nine passer rating targeting O b J, which is, you know,

518
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Speaker 1: the lowest among any NFL duo with a hundred plus attempts.

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Speaker 1: It's just not worked out. And last year that's a thing.

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Speaker 1: I know, last year it got me like annoyed because

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00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was a narrative. But it just is

522
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: playing out to be. The case is number Baker's numbers

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Speaker 1: are much better when Odell has not been on the field.

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Speaker 1: And there are you know, there's people saying, well, Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield is hesitant to throw it to Odell because O'Dell,

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Speaker 1: if you look at it's made his own mistakes. It's

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Speaker 1: like a little bit on everyone. And we haven't heard

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Speaker 1: anything from Odell Beckham. I mean, it just tells me

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Speaker 1: that it's fine to say, go trade them, but they

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Speaker 1: got no offers that were tangible. This front office inherited

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham from John Dorsey. And you have to look

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Speaker 1: at the current Andrew Berry front office and say, if

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Speaker 1: anything they've been cunning. They don't overpay. The players have

534
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Speaker 1: not been overpaid. And when they've made little moves here

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Speaker 1: and there they've been for two it is, and I

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00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: think that they're willing to just hang with Odell Beckham

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. He can be cut

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Speaker 1: for no dead cat money this offseason. I'd be shocked

539
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: at that didn't happen. Stefansky, I read, you know, wanted him,

540
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: he didn't want to trade him, that he thought he

541
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: can keep blaming himself for not I agree with what

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00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: you said. There's not an easy like let's blame someone.

543
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: But on that play, which I know caught your eye, Dan,

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Speaker 1: and I hadn't watched it at the time that you texted.

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Speaker 1: You know, the play a lot of people were talking

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Speaker 1: about kind of look like Odell had a little bit

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Speaker 1: of Alex. That's a season changing catch right here. I

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00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 1: rewatched that play though, and if you on the All

549
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: twenty two from both camera angles, I mean they drew

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00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: up the absolute perfect play. They always say like shade

551
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: hands offense gives the quarterbacks the answers to the to

552
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: the test. Odell's open early in that play, Baker is

553
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: so late he he pumped fakes with absolutely no one.

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00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: No one is near Odell Beckham for two and a

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00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: half three seconds of that play, like it was the

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00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: absolute perfect play call. There's a lot of talk that

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00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: Baker struggles to throw up the seams, whether it's his

558
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: height or he's just a guy who lacks anticipation. He

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00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: has to really see it open, kind of like Jay

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00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: Cutler before he lets it go. On that play, it's

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00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: a it's a walk maybe a walk in touchdown, but

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00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: it's an easy first down down to the five or

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00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: so if he delivers it on time like a lot

564
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks was and he and he hesitates, he pump fakes,

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00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: and he throws it late and above and behind Odell,

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Speaker 1: who does jump and kind of put his arm up.

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00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: When you see it from the sideline, it didn't seem

568
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: like a crazy bad effort. But like when they're reviewing

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00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: that play, it's not Odell that's getting the minus two

570
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: on their grading system. It's Baker, alright, but I know

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00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: this is O'Dell is one of those guys just got

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00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: out there that that one's not about Odell, But it's

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00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: about what Mark said where it's it's both of them.

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00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: You know. That is if you are a truly elite

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00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver, that's a difference making play where you could

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00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: pick up your quarterback and make the catch, or not

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00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: even make the catch. Greg make a better effort. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is what's the problem with devilt.

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00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: He's not trying. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying

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00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: it is not working. And there's got to be blame

581
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: assigned on both sides of this. It's it is O'Dell's

582
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: fault in part, it is Baker Mayfield's fault in part.

583
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: And I also agreed the right move was to stay

584
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and the Browns maybe get this worked out

585
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: and save this thing. But I also think you're right, Mark.

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00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: I think he's history after the year. You guys want

587
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: to hear some great dad hashtags on this, some really

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00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: good ones here. So, as I said, it was soundtracked

589
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: by the R E M hit Everybody Hurts Off Automatic

590
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: for the People. Just one of the greatest records of

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Speaker 1: all time, Erica. She's in her twenties still I see

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00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Christie Stapleton behind the glass. I don't even know R

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Speaker 1: E M. Automatic for the People. You'll thank me later.

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00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: Give it a listen. They look thrilled and really sorry.

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00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: M Yeah, and check it out on the Throwback podcast.

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Speaker 1: Here are the hashtags I'm a father before anything, okay

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00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: hashtag My twin and I do look very similar. He's

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00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: in an incredible shape for for dad. Hashtag three my

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Speaker 1: ace with an ace of spades. A little a little

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Speaker 1: uh emoji in there. That was good. Next my a

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Speaker 1: number one. Next, and now it starts to get a

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00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: little weird. Next hashtag I'm hurting for you. Next one

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00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: hashtag playing hurt. Next one hashtag I hurt for him,

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00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: Next one hashtag this really hurts one of these hastag

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00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: very hurtful hashtag disrespectful hashtag when I hurt the hurt.

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00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: I know well that I always actually check on that

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00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: hashtag every night, just when I heard I heard, I

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00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: know to see who's been posting. Hashtag I love Cleveland

609
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: like I love home. Hashtag I love my son MO

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Speaker 1: number seven hashtag seven eleven open, but he made the

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Speaker 1: dad mistake. You put a number in there, it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna hashtag so you hashtag open hashtagn hashtag all love

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Speaker 1: hashtag Beckham legendary. That's a lot of hashtags. That's next

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00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: to inside I might along with that all that business

615
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: none other than our friend Dwayne Bow. Dwayne Bow, Wayne

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Speaker 1: Bow like, you know, like riding in on his white horse,

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00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: said Pops. He tweeted to O b J. Pops. They

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00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: did me the same way. This guy had like one

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Speaker 1: catch with the brown saying like raging headaches bus. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's take a break and then we'll hit the rest

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Speaker 1: of the news. All right, let's get to it. It

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00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: went down Monday morning, so you know about it by now,

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00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: but let's talk about it here. Derrick Henry is on

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00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: the shelf bomber uh NFL networks ian Rap report reports

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00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: that Henry uh is undergoing foot surgery. He's expected to

626
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: miss six to ten weeks. That was the initial report,

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: and then I heard IAN today, so I'm on NFL

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00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: network and they said it's more closer to eight to

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Speaker 1: ten weeks. And then you can start doing the math.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to do it, but it's entering week nine.

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Speaker 1: Eight weeks put you to the end of the regular season.

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00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: So in the best case scenario for the Titans, Henry

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00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: returns for the playoffs. And then you wonder what version

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00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: of Henry returns coming off foot surgery as a running back. Anyway, Greg,

635
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about this being the end of

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00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: the road for the Titans that they're cooked now, and

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00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: you can understand that side of things. How do you

638
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: see it? No, I think they're gonna be a playoff

639
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: team and Derrick Henry will probably be back for the playoffs,

640
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: according to Ian, So, I don't think it kills him.

641
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: I think their play action passing game, especially Julio Jones,

642
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: can be healthy enough, can still work, and losing Henry

643
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: is massive. I kind of like the Adrian Peterson signing.

644
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's run pretty well the last few

645
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: years when you've given him the chance, and I'm not

646
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: saying that Derrick Henry was struggling, but he also wasn't

647
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: very efficient. You know, the last handful of weeks, you're

648
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: running the ball twenty eight times for seventy nine yards

649
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: twenty nine times or eight years. He's playing great. But

650
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: I think you can somewhat replaces rushing production. You can

651
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: find other ways to win games and get to the

652
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: end of the season, get him back. I don't know

653
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: about replace him, um. I just mean you're a little

654
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: lower on him than I am, and you can have

655
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: the Titan. The Colts game hurt too, right, That's that's

656
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: a great point. I think Adrian Peterson at least can

657
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: give them something that they're not just going to fall

658
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: apart because they're running it. It's an extremely spicy signing

659
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: um in the sense that like, if if it went

660
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: the right way, it would be fascinating. What do you

661
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: think he doesn't have? Obviously, Adrian Peterson doesn't have that

662
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: like big playability anymore like he had before. But I

663
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: do think that he could help kind of keep them

664
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: on track here. And Jeremy McNichols, come on, how about

665
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: we give him some luve this team. They're going to

666
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: throw the ball a lot more. But that's why if

667
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: if Julio Jones could stay healthy, that's gonna look like

668
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: an amazing move that they did in the off season

669
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: to kind of help out with the with the whole

670
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: offense there at the Rams this week, and there there's

671
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: some tough games sprinkled in Saints right after that at

672
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: at New England's in their ats. It's not all easy,

673
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: but you have two games against the Texans, you have

674
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and you have the Jaguars. There there's four

675
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: games like and then if you just win one or

676
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: two of the other games like that, that's well and

677
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: by the way you can count on the rest of

678
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: your division fumbling and bumbling to know what'll They're in

679
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: a good division, so they yes, this could end up

680
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: in a place where Graver is okay because you're in

681
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs and you get your guy back. He didn't

682
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: come to work today because I don't think he was

683
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: able to come in. He's emotionally, it was it was

684
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: too much, too big of a mountain to get over.

685
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: Tuesday's is off day. But I don't totally buy it.

686
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: I think Raver showed a little bit of like a

687
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: lack of professionalism. I'll put it. I'll go out Um

688
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and Eric and not jumping in because you do. It's

689
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: like it's like we get it. You you host Titans podcast.

690
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: But it is just like you don't even know Derrick

691
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: Henry personally. And the team can still win like you

692
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: just I think they will. I think it's gonna the

693
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: old adage. I don't know if it's an old adage,

694
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: but as long as you have your quarterback still, I

695
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: think the offense, and they have a very good quarterback

696
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: in Ryan Townehill, even without hand, I think they're gonna

697
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: be okay. They're just not as good anymore, and I

698
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: will say this is not the best development to now

699
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: have to put more on the idea of Julio Jones

700
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: being a big part of this team because that signing

701
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: is not or that trade has not worked out for

702
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: them so far. He's always hurt. He's uh, he's had

703
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: a hamstring injury that will not go away. So if

704
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: they get Julio Jones back, if he stays healthy, if A. J.

705
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: Brown could stay healthy, if Ryan town Hill stays healthy,

706
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: I think they're okay, but not a good situation. Uh.

707
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: In other news, this is brutal, this is really terrible news.

708
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: At a Las Vegas UH Tuesday morning here on the

709
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: West Coast, Henry Ruggs, the two thousand, twenty first round

710
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: pick of the Raiders who's having a really good season

711
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: this year, is facing a driving under the influence of

712
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: charge after a fiery vehicle crash early Tuesday in Las

713
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: Vegas left one woman dead. Rugs and his female passenger

714
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: were injured. UH, Las Vegas police said, and Rugs, who's

715
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: twenty two, showed signs of impairment at the scene, and

716
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: the police said in a statement that he will be

717
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: charged with felony d U I resulting in death and

718
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: Mark we obviously your thoughts are with the victims here, um,

719
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: who were involved with the accident a fiery crash in

720
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and just a terrible story all the way

721
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: around that's unfolding as we do this podcast. But Henry

722
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: Ruggs is in a lot of trouble right now. Yeah,

723
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: it happened at reported time three forty in the morning.

724
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: Um it you know, so you can only wonder what

725
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: what the the lead up to? That was totally tragic. Um.

726
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: You know, it changes everyone for the people that have

727
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: been lost, but if you're Henry Ruggs, you're still a

728
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: human being too, And like you spend this the rest

729
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: of your life thinking about this. Um, I had a

730
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: friend growing up where something similar happened when they were

731
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: a teen and like, you know that person who's left

732
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: behind where other people were removed. Um, you're gonna your

733
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: life will be changed forever. And it's it. You know,

734
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: there's the on field side of it too, but it

735
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: really has nothing to do with this at this point.

736
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: You don't wish this upon anybody. This is this is

737
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: awful and unfortunate and just so terrible and gout wrenching.

738
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: For everyone all around, and then just looking at the

739
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Nevada laws with Henry Rugg's there. I mean he's facing

740
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: between two and twenty years in prison for this. So

741
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: just the mental component of knowing this um moving forward

742
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: and just like just a terrible dumb mistake that could

743
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: have been avoided if this was in fact d u I.

744
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: In other news, UM, as we pivot back to football

745
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: in the field, the Vikings will be without Daniel Hunter

746
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. Vikings coach Mike Zimmer

747
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: confirmed that Hunter suffered a torn peck in Week eight

748
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. He'll miss the remainder of the season

749
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: and that is a tough blow for the Vikings greg

750
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: because Hunter was a big time contributor for their defense. Um,

751
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: he was averaging a sack a game. He missed all

752
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: of last year with a disk issue. Uh, and now

753
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: he will miss the rest of this year. So injury

754
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: issues killing Hunter, and it's going to really hurt this Viking.

755
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: I think he's the most valuable player on that defense

756
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: in damashek parlance say, he might be the Jenga piece

757
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: and the two guys you can maybe least afford to

758
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: lose would be him and Patrick Peterson, who's out at

759
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: least for now and for a few more weeks with

760
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: an injury. And yeah, that makes our guy kirk Cousins

761
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: life a lot tougher. It's just hard to see them

762
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: being like a really good defense. They've been pretty good,

763
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I would say, on balance, but without Hunter, I can't

764
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: our guy kirk Cousins feels a little bit strong. It's

765
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: such a bummer. I don't even know why. He's definitely

766
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: not my guy. I don't well, you're the one slithering

767
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: oiled up and slithering into his PLEXI glass Q, that's right,

768
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: was saying um that he was playing pretty well this

769
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: year and then the thing happened that we were worried

770
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: about that. It's like you get into prime time and

771
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: then it didn't didn't have is the killer? Is the

772
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: killer for the vikings? Why again do you have to

773
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: get all oiled up and to get well? Wasn't that

774
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: part of it? Dude? He has to be completely right.

775
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: Dan said that right a window into Dan's mind. You know, no,

776
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's practical. It's I was right there with you.

777
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: I think it's from a from a physical you want

778
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: to make this work, This is how you if you're

779
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: needing a gregg in there, you oil him up. He's

780
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: got no he's got nothing on. He's very smooth. It's

781
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: very like a seal because he has these these products

782
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: from his other podcast, the Grooming Products. So you groom

783
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: them down, very effective. You lather him up, and you

784
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: slide them right into the cube. Put a mask on. Though, Bro,

785
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: do you have a name for the cube other than

786
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: the cube? Well? He and he and Kirk have their

787
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: own little lame You guys can't live out your little

788
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: Kirk cousins. You know, bubble fans. I'm glad this came

789
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: up today. It's a Greg Rosenthal bubble fans, right, at

790
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: least is half Greg fantasy. All right, let's do a

791
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: little before we get to Monday night. Actually, let's do

792
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: a little breaking news. Oh it's like it's like just

793
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: on the borderline. DeShawn Jackson has been released from the

794
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. You know what that means. They couldn't find

795
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: a Traine. They're like, we will give you a maybe

796
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: seventh round pick with a conditional seventh round pick if

797
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: he if he has one catch beyond twelve yards, and

798
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: the other teams were like nah, we're good. He was

799
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: asking for a treat. What are you doing you? You

800
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: came back home. He's from l A. The Rams are

801
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: a good team, and he's like, no, no, no, I'm

802
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: just Shawn Jackson. I want out. It's not right now.

803
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: You hear the Eagles fan coming out, that ungrateful monster. Yeah.

804
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: I wonder how it all transpired or they told him

805
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: they were going to cut him in out of respect

806
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: to him, then said we'll try to trade you first.

807
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: I don't really know, but it's pretty telling that they

808
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: cut him, even though they just put two two out

809
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: well on I r for the rest of your at

810
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: well was really struggling. But they basically drafted a backup

811
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson, a hundred and fifty eight yard like

812
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: guy who goes down the field and can return, who

813
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: is now out for the season, and and yet they're

814
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: still cutting design. If I were a team, it could

815
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: be a personality issue. If that sounds like he he

816
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: probably wasn't thrilled snaps the game. You could go back

817
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: in the arch Kives and find some d jack stuff

818
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: that is not He could have gotten a ring though,

819
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: you know who knows. I would say this and I

820
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: don't know if he's interested in it, but like if

821
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: you're a contender that's not happy with your punt return game,

822
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: for instance, I mean maybe he's a guy that you investigate,

823
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: but you don't really hang it. You're if you're looking

824
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: to open up your offense. At this point, he's just

825
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: not the same game. He feels like a Patriot if

826
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: they didn't already have probow returner gunner shifts. All right,

827
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: let's say the afternoon to light all right. You know

828
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: there's a certain element of football Twitter that just obsesses

829
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: over Philip Rivers. Go ahead, have your fun. Not only

830
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: would he quote, listen to the Saints, listen to a

831
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: team it's the Saints, Greg's other hardcore crush. Go ahead.

832
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: That would be great. He could replace and then ultimately, um,

833
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: maybe do what Drew Brees couldn't in the last year.

834
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: That would be in the last ten years. I guess

835
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: so football polyamorous that it's um it's I'm starting to

836
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: concern me, what is it? Why is Philip River? There's this?

837
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: I guess they don't want him, though it doesn't sound

838
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: like they're sent that's like, oh, Philip Rivers, you have fun? Story?

839
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: Did a search Philip Rivers, search and Twitter just to

840
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: like figure out what was going on here, and it

841
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this person and this person. It's like

842
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: if you're I think there's a certain group of football

843
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, plugged in people that just a door Philip Rivers,

844
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: It's like, we'ren't you know, how about your high school

845
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: team you're coaching. I guess that season wrapped over? Now, Yeah,

846
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: he's had nothing else going on. I don't know. I

847
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: enjoy them to some degree, but telling me he wouldn't

848
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: be better than Trevor Simeon, Taysom Hill's got to ruin

849
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: another Uh, Honestly, I do think Peyton those sounds very

850
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: dug in on keeping the quarterback. I don't think they

851
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: hadn't think their interesting, and which doesn't surprise people that

852
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: nobody wants Kim New and cannot get a job. There's

853
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: been multiple options that have opened up here, still out

854
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: there anyway, including the Panthers. Melvin Ingram is heading to

855
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, and I saw segments of football Twitter excited

856
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: about this, Connie. A lot of people are excited about

857
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Melvin Ingham to the Steelers, and that didn't quite work

858
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: out of it didn't and his time was reduced playing

859
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: behind t. J. Watt and Alex Heismith. So he goes

860
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs, which we know that they could use

861
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: some help on the defense. They're allowing three yards per

862
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: game twenty nine in the NFL. Maybe he couldn't make

863
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: some pop there, all right. Also we have Charles who

864
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: tots and let's see what else we got. We got

865
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: Mark and I asked Seth Paine for a potential breakout

866
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: player on the Texans this year. That was the name

867
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: he gave me back in July. So it's actually Houston.

868
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: That's what he was able to do. It look good

869
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: for him and uh, the doctors in the house, Dan Brown,

870
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: the tight end traded to the Chiefs, coming back to

871
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: Gang Green, Laurent DuVernay, Tardi m D. Doctor h And

872
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: actually that's a nice Sney. That's a five year starter

873
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs in the past, sat out last year

874
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: helping people during the COVID pandemic, and now a guard

875
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: add to the Jets mixed. The Jets always need to

876
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: find more offensive lineman. That's the trade downline. Poor Allen

877
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: Robinson still forgive about Free O'Dell, who hasn't made a

878
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: play in five years free out. Robinson needs it. He's

879
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: so underappreciated. He's like, I'm still working on chemistry with

880
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: quarterback x Bortles. Travisky folds Penny. I feel removed him

881
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: from the offense to It's like, all right, yeah, let's

882
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: do let's let's wrap up weekate. Monday Night football. Daniel

883
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: Jones with DeVante Booker on fourthdown. They had a touchdown

884
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: where Chiefs run up twice les down, he goes and

885
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: now he flips it off to Aligneman who goes down

886
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: that Frank Clark and Chris Jones on back to back

887
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: sacks to win the game. It's good they won. Chiefs

888
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: had fun, but there are still major problems here. Did

889
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: you watch that game match Altis with a call? Yes,

890
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: the Chiefs defense showed up and I was able to

891
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: keep the Giants from putting up much of anything just

892
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: to touchdown in the second half, and then they got

893
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: the field goal they needed to win it. So it's

894
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs. But you know, Mark, well not right.

895
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: You watch the Chiefs and they're still not right. Not

896
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: only did they have your now obligatory horrendous red zone

897
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: from turnover an interception from Mahomes. There are a couple

898
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: other turnovers that got wiped away, whether it was a

899
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: penalty that took it off the board or a fumble

900
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: that the offensive lineman luckily fell on. That continues to

901
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: be a thing. And even worse, the offense still is

902
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: really jagged and Patrick Mahomes is having trouble getting on

903
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: target with the receivers. There's still so much wrong with

904
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I don't feel any better about them despite

905
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: the win. Everything's not beautiful right now. Those were the

906
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: words from Andy Reid. Well, I mean, I kind of

907
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: loved the quote because I was like, that's how I

908
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: feel watching this team. I think that the oh all

909
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: sorts of things, but this just kind of fit in there.

910
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: But like the gallant and glorious Chiefs that we are

911
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: still like, they're not. They don't exist right now. And

912
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty fascinating study in like all

913
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: of us collectively watching football and watching this team that

914
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: we could have just ticketed for the Super Bowl, that

915
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: our eyes have taken a long time to adjust, and

916
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: you know this is up Greg's alley. But like they're

917
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: getting killed against the head because they're being uh, the

918
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: spreads too big on the Chiefs. They don't deserve these

919
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: These people want to people don't want to accept that

920
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: once is a potential long term makes you. Everyone is

921
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: on the same page, like no, no, no, they're gonna

922
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: get right. They're gonna get right. They're gonna and they

923
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: never Vegas is loving it. I mean they're they're building

924
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: new wings to the mirage on the chief Like this, Greg,

925
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: we now live in a world where Tyreek Hill could

926
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: be targeted eighteen times on Monday Night football, turn those

927
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: eighteen targets into twelve catches twelve catches and not finished

928
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: with a hundred yards receiving. I keep hearing people say

929
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: like if if Mahomes and the Chiefs would just be patient,

930
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: stop trying to force I was like, what is this?

931
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: They threw at forty times for two d and seventy

932
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: more yards, Like, patients isn't the problem. Patients is the problem.

933
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: There's no big plays like yes, okay, it's great when

934
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: you go up and down the field slowly and you're

935
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: taking the safe place. But they're averaging five yards per

936
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: play or less than three of their last four games.

937
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: So that's not just the turn over. That's like bottom

938
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: of the league numbers in terms of yards for play,

939
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: so there's no big plays, there's no running game. So

940
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: just piling up a bunch of first downs on the

941
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: way to like three sixty yards against the Giants isn't

942
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Like they're not getting there on the scoreboard.

943
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: That that part matters. We all lost this game, like

944
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: we all there were no winners. Watching this game, it

945
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: just feels like the Chiefs are a shell of themselves.

946
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: All of those penalties, how many twelve for one three,

947
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: It's just so I find it interesting, though, to watch

948
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: the Chiefs struggling this much. To me, it makes good

949
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: TV because it's so surprising. You're like, I can't believe this.

950
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey with the fumble, I'm like, what how is

951
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: that possible? And he was on the sideline for a

952
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: while and then came in. It's just yes, it didn't

953
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: feel like but said that afterwards, I think Michael Irvan

954
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: came on the Manning cast and I thought what he

955
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: said about us, by the way, he was great, but

956
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: just you know, you've been the champs, you've been up

957
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: there for so long, and mentally that you you work

958
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: on something all week. We can't do these turnovers. We

959
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: know how defenses are gonna play us every week. It's

960
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: the same exact Chiefs game, and they can't get out

961
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: of it, and they keep just making them say. He says,

962
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: it'll just drive you crazy, and there's there's like there's

963
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: no like easy solution to where they are mentally, and

964
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: he thinks like Mahomes and read and all of it.

965
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: You can hear it with that comment that Andy Reid

966
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: is usually not to coach you here like that. Imagine

967
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: if we knew in August that this would be a

968
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes stat coming out of a real game. Fifteen

969
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: for fifteen for a hundred and twenty yards on passes

970
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. That is the most by

971
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the game since right in one for

972
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: eleven outside the numbers like they can't get more patient,

973
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: they're retreating, they're like backing up. So I don't know,

974
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: they have to figure out a way to get big

975
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: plays because that's that's like what the Chiefs are. This

976
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: is not this is like he's trying all these quarterbacks

977
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: that are pressing because they're young. It's like they're trying

978
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: to make big plays and it's not working in the Giants,

979
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: I thought did a nice job on defense to kind

980
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: of just like rush three guys a bunch of times

981
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: and just cloud the secondary and right there was nobody open.

982
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: It was crazy because there was no pass rush, which

983
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: just makes you. It does you're not used to Okay,

984
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: the Giants have zero pass rush, and yet they're so

985
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: Now now, if you're trying to rationalize how do the

986
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: Chiefs fix this? You think, okay, there four and four.

987
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: The rest of the a f C West is kind

988
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: of calmed down a little bit. Here. The Charges will

989
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: come back to the pack The Broncos are ready for

990
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: a rebuild of some kind. The Raiders are the Raiders.

991
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: You don't know what to expect from them, but they're

992
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, win fourteen games. So it's like

993
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: it's still there for the Chiefs to get things under

994
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: control and get a home game and win a division.

995
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: But then you look at their road ahead, and you

996
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: got the Packers up next, and then beyond that, the

997
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: toughest schedule in the NFL from this point forward, and

998
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: you just wonder if this is gonna end in a

999
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: way that nobody could have predicted, which is a relatively

1000
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: healthy Chiefs team just bottoming out and not making the playoffs,

1001
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: and I wonder, I guess this is the last part

1002
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: of my um brain that's like I refuse to accept

1003
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs are this vulnerable. Is that they will

1004
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: rise to the competition and we'll see a great shootout

1005
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: with the Packers County. But at the same time, there's

1006
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: too much evidence right now that they're going to continue

1007
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: to scuffle on offense, well, especially against the Packers, who

1008
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: have won seven straight games. They've just been on a

1009
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: tear and the Chiefs they just can't It seems when

1010
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: I watched them, they just can't adapt to their new reality,

1011
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: which is what we've seen all season long. And Mahomes

1012
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: he keeps pressing, he keeps trying to take those deep shots,

1013
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: and they're just not working. It worked a little bit

1014
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: when they were running the ball. The offense did a

1015
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: tiny bit and we saw Derek Gore scores first touchdown,

1016
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: but Andy Reid, having watched him so long in Philly

1017
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: and so many times just screaming at him to run

1018
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: the ball more, I don't think that's going to have

1019
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: That is sort of the answer, to run the ball better,

1020
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: and the Packers are absolutely going to target Daniel Sorensen.

1021
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean that was he was Waldo out there, and

1022
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: he's been Waldo and they gave up Sorenson, gave up

1023
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: a perfect passer rating to Daniel Jones. So even Evan

1024
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: Ingrand got a touchdown on him. It's not pretty what

1025
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: we're seeing. If you want to make a case for them,

1026
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: their defense has played well for six quarters. Their defense

1027
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: won them that game. Well, I mean against the Giants offense,

1028
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: which again is missing, Like Tony got hurt during the game.

1029
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: Shephard got hurt during the game, and who else wants

1030
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: It's crazy how this is every week. Yeah, you wonder like,

1031
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: what the what did the Giants do? What? What did

1032
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: they do to deserve this injury? Lucky you enter that

1033
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: game without Barkley, without Holiday, you lose Shephard, you lose,

1034
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: lose Pettis, Tony is compromised of the thumb injury. And

1035
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. We talked about it on the TV show Greg.

1036
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: We both kind of liked Daniel Jones, but so you

1037
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: can't really put it on his feet because Mark, who's

1038
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: he throwing too? With the game on the line in

1039
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: that spot, It's like Evan ingram ingram and pray for uh.

1040
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, a thunderstorm to take everyone off. John

1041
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: Ross right, a big seas you'd say, like Darius Slayton

1042
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: was trade dangled and trade rumors as well. I mean,

1043
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: but I think if anything, if you're the Giants like

1044
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: you come out of this season, let's just say it

1045
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: plays out and there's sort of you know, milk toes

1046
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: from here to the end with with a different opinion

1047
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones that I went into the season with,

1048
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: and that that maybe is your positive one little giant snugget,

1049
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: like I know that they Joe Judge looked terrible, like

1050
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: burning those timeouts, right, He basically came out and oh yes,

1051
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: let's it's very spicy. Every single stadium this year home

1052
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: in a way, I've had issues personally. Look, I don't know. Look,

1053
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this all about headsets. We

1054
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: have things. I'd say that whoever's in charge of it,

1055
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: whoever the guys, look, Jordan's on the exact Dansher that

1056
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: comes more through the leaguer arsiter exactly, but they better

1057
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: fix it fast. That was like us before the show, right,

1058
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: no show had that persisted and that there was no

1059
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: show from the Giants. I mean that sounded like passing

1060
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: the buck. I have a very stern warning. You know.

1061
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: The NFL put out the statement where they even product

1062
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: placement in the statement that it could not be the

1063
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: fault of the bows head. They said both that was

1064
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: an official statement for the NFL with like a restricted

1065
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: circle around bows and all caps in the statement. I

1066
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: love when he says like it could be, it could

1067
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: be the NFL could be our people, Like if it

1068
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: is like you potentially taking like eight Giants employees and

1069
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: just whipping them under an eighteen wheeler, Joe Judge, I

1070
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: don't think will be there next year if this continues.

1071
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones felt like he was collapsing a little under

1072
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: the weight of everything that was. That was one of

1073
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: his worst two games he had to where he's not

1074
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: really played well this one in the Cowboys. Joe Judge

1075
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: has been outscored in the I couldn't believe this that

1076
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: I had no idea, but they just put it up

1077
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: on the graphics last night. The Giants have been outscored

1078
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: forty two to nothing in the final two minutes of

1079
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: the of the final two minutes of the first half,

1080
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: in games this year. What that like? That is coaching?

1081
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: Like that is the that is coaching. Like if I

1082
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: think about Bill Belichick, for instance, what advantage does he

1083
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: give you? He gives you the advantage in the final

1084
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: two minutes of the first half and the second half,

1085
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: that is coaching. They lost this game partially because of

1086
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: penalties and taunting and stuff, and that's like all Joe

1087
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: Judge talks about, so like taunting, that's man. I couldn't

1088
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: remember when he dove um at training camp on the

1089
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: ball in the rain, all the players mobbed him. Don't

1090
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: you remember that? Yeah, you were not a fan of

1091
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: that when it occurred, though, No, I'm just I think

1092
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: he's I think is cooked. I think the Giants are

1093
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: heading towards a reboot and uh cook and obviously gentleman.

1094
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: The most I do wonder like when they interviewed Joe Judge,

1095
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: who wasn't a coordinator calling plays. He's not that guy.

1096
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: It's like, why, Like these interviews are like fourteen hours long?

1097
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: Do you I would put them through like a grilled

1098
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: like a out of Greg run. It like an insane

1099
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: end of half test where we need to see Joe

1100
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: Judge clock management Joe Judge um thriving in that scenario.

1101
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: You don't want to find out week one if you

1102
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: can't do to test Greg Rosenthal's clock management when he's

1103
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: not sitting in a podcast studio twelve hours after the game,

1104
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: would I love it. You need time simulation. We need

1105
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: like one of those like virtual reality things, and then

1106
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: you put them inside like when they're like flight training

1107
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: or whatever, and just give him the game experience of

1108
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: the sidelines. I don't want to be the coach. I

1109
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: want to be the guy up in the booth to

1110
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: say and take the time out. Now you know that guy, right,

1111
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: But I just I'm not saying you couldn't do it,

1112
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: but I'd like to see it. I'd like to see

1113
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: how it how it plays out, that's all. Joe Judge

1114
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: has a shot here. They have nine games left, Like

1115
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: I think they've been better than the record shows that

1116
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: keep saying that, Like this is where the end of

1117
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: the season does matter for these teams. Like if they

1118
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: finished seven and ten, if they'll probably the Mars will

1119
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: convince themselves to keep them. So it's like to him,

1120
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: those nine games matter. If they do five and four

1121
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: in their final nine, it's like they'll probably does Judge

1122
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: get I have been outside of the time management sins

1123
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: like he also hasn't had all those players on the fields,

1124
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: Miss Daniel Jones, Um Joe, Judge and Rich this week

1125
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: who grew up a Giants fan? Oh? Both Special Teams coach.

1126
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: I thought Chris Tabor for that. The Bears had a

1127
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: little juice, added a little juice without Naggi all the

1128
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: Special Teams coaches. Fun fact, seven percent of Giants fans

1129
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: their last name is baccia Um. And how about clock

1130
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: clock management simulation chamber. We get Rosenthal in there and

1131
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: just see what happens. I think it come up. I

1132
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: hope it's not great for social You're right, it's different

1133
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: when you're in the arena when when you like it

1134
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: was easy to answer those wind Wests Toaster questions, and

1135
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: then suddenly you got into the competition. And I shouldn't

1136
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: remember in a closet, West, who famously acknowledged, like like

1137
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: myself had like these time management things that you bring

1138
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: up like that was one blind spot for West that

1139
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: he would say, you had no idea what's happening at

1140
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: the end of these And I agree with him. And

1141
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: one more thing before we take a break here and

1142
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: hit Thursday Night Football in the chamber and the Clock

1143
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: Management Simulation Chamber see m SC. You need to be

1144
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: stripped down and lived up. Stop it to get in.

1145
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: You're at home with that. I'm right back right yeah,

1146
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: I'd take it as a compliment. It's like, guys really

1147
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: want it all right, Prianka take it away. I make

1148
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: tube wait wait. Such a great singer. The song is delightful.

1149
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: The only problem with this song, I hate that they

1150
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: removed moved off this. This was my favorite then they

1151
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: it's all these other class was before. It's unfortunate Colleen

1152
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: never got to work on a broadcast that's kicked off

1153
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: by can you just play it one more time? The

1154
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: only thing because I've listened to the song and full

1155
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: recently when we did the live shows in London, I

1156
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: put together and you can find it on Spotify, a

1157
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: like best of a t M playlist and I dug

1158
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: out this one your city or whatever it's called. Will

1159
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: I am fingerprints like two thousand ten arrow, will I

1160
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: m are all over this? Oh my gosh it is

1161
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: You're right He's on this, so it's like all you

1162
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: hear is like got come out and all this like

1163
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: black Eyed Peas bullsh This is the song was dominated

1164
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: for a World Music Award Best Song, not a surprise

1165
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: cut Cut Cut Cut coming. I be able to get

1166
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: that out of my head now, and they'd have like

1167
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: if it was the Giants, for say, like it was

1168
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones's face, like shimmering along the Empire State buildings.

1169
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: I love the lyrics too, because you can really dive

1170
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: into him. Everybody's welcome here. Everybody welcome to my city.

1171
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 1: We ain't got no worries here. I know you're gonna

1172
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: like it in It's also not true of any city.

1173
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: You got a friend in me, you ain't gonna want

1174
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: to leave alright. Thursday November four, two thousand twenty one.

1175
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: Week nine commences with the New York Jets, fresh off

1176
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: that really fun victory over the Bangals where Mike White

1177
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: through for four hundred yards in his first career. Are ah,

1178
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: so much fun. Now they go to Indianapolis to face

1179
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: the Cult. So it's the Jets at Lucas Oil Stadium.

1180
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: The Cults are favored by ten and a half points,

1181
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: which seems a little bit high. I'm gonna say it, um, Connie,

1182
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: you will be in Indianapolis, where I understand it's going

1183
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: to be in the twenties and the set will be outside.

1184
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: That's just rumors that I heard from a source, the

1185
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: source being Andrews Siciliano. Um you have seriously, I did

1186
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: not know that outside unpleasant pregame show is I get it,

1187
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: But um so, anyway, I would say, just from a

1188
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: broadcast standpoint, conn the combine from the inside luck to fine.

1189
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: I think we have to be outside in Minneapolis too brutal. Anyways, Fine,

1190
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: the Jets not a lot of juice. Obviously, still two

1191
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: in five, but at least you have this Mike White

1192
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: follow up game and the Cults in a virtual must

1193
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: win situation. I love Mike White. I don't know how

1194
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: you feel about him, but coming into this game, when

1195
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: I was watching the games on Sunday and watching Carson

1196
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: Wentz give the game away and lose, I had Mike

1197
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: White and he was He's kind of like my night

1198
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: and shining armor riding into this Thursday night game because

1199
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 1: I we need something like him because the Jets before

1200
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie it wasn't that exciting. Don't take

1201
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: offense to that, but I loved how poised he was.

1202
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: I loved how confident he was throwing for over four

1203
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: hundred yards and those three touchdowns against the Bengals, who

1204
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: everybody was so excited about. Someone's so excited about that defense,

1205
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: specifically in Cincinnati, and having never played a snap before

1206
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: in his first career. Start love it. But um, you know,

1207
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this because we saw Robert sal say

1208
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: after the game on Sunday that anything's possible if if

1209
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: Mike White and this is all the Jets fans are

1210
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: just gonna sucked in because you know something very bad

1211
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: is going to happen on Thursday, Winds, Mike White is

1212
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: injured on the first possession, or Mike White throws five interceptions.

1213
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: It's coming. And I'm telling you, football gods, you can't

1214
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: surprise me because I know something bad is coming, so

1215
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: you can't hurt me. I just know that I know

1216
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: football gods anyway. If I mean, when you openly herbally

1217
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 1: challenged the football gods, they'll find a way to thought.

1218
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: Like a lot, it does feel like well what I'm saying,

1219
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: it feels like they're begging you to take the Jets,

1220
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: which is a concern. If the football gods somehow overlook

1221
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: this game, and they're like, oh, I thought the Jets

1222
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: are playing on Sunday. We wanted to bang him um

1223
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: and Mike White plays really well again. Zach Wilson is

1224
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: not playing week ten. He is not. They're gonna say

1225
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: take another week on that knee, and Robert sal is

1226
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: gonna straight up be like, I want to see if

1227
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: I could ride something here with this kid. Where a

1228
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: long way away from that mark, But the fact that

1229
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: that's even a subplot that you get to watch and enjoy,

1230
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm happy about. He kind of reminds me of like

1231
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: Kelly Holcomb when he came out of nowhere and just

1232
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: started throwing like four yards game and like, well, but

1233
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: a lot of this, like the jet if you go

1234
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: watch Holcomb took him to the playoffs. Holcomb was like

1235
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: a thing that unse needed Tim Couch and I'm just

1236
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: saying these things happen, and I kind of like Solo's

1237
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: open mindedness to like, let's ride this thing out, like

1238
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: don't bury a hot hand. And Zach Wilson maybe could

1239
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: use a little rest, but a lot of it came

1240
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: last week. Me through the ball forty five times yards

1241
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: after the catch was like six the yardage. I thought

1242
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: they got it. They got Michael Carter on the ground

1243
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: to get going. Finally it looked like a functional offense.

1244
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: And I thought that Mike White also the thing I

1245
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: liked about him, Like I think, I tweeted like, after

1246
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: an early he started, you know, nine for eleven for eleven,

1247
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: Mike White is a god. Like one second later he

1248
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: threw a killer interception. I just wrote, Mike White is

1249
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: not a god. But I should have done another tweet

1250
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: on top of that tweet at some point saying Mike

1251
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: White might be a god because the way he came

1252
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: back from all that nonsense was very resilient. And I

1253
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: like that this. Your guys are gonna hate that I

1254
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: keep mentioning this, but I think that there was a

1255
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: fair amount of comfort on Michael Floor's part to not

1256
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: have to be down on the sideline coaching. Zach Wilson

1257
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: person personally was up in the booth seeing the whole thing,

1258
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: and Mike White basically said, I don't need the coach

1259
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: down the sideline. I'm ready to roll. So there's something

1260
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: about this camp happiness in Connecticut. That's what I thought

1261
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: you were leading into. So that, yeah, there's I just

1262
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: think that you know, he's married to he has I

1263
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: believe twins or it's a child of some sort. Very

1264
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: nice man. Well, I don't think it's a slight to

1265
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. You did do a lot of investigating and

1266
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Speaker 1: there was lots to investigate. I can tell you that

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01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: going on. Um, I don't think it's a slight to

1268
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson to say that Mike White showed a clear,

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01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: bigger command of the offense. Like the balls coming out

1270
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: of his hands, he knew where to go with it.

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01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: They're calling all these Shanahan type plays and it's just

1272
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: like he I think at this point he's been in

1273
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: the league for four years, not all with you know,

1274
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: Michael Fleur, but he was a draft pick in twenty eighteen,

1275
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: that he was ready for the opportunity and that he

1276
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: just understands the offense more than a he did. And

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01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: it just made made me feel better about what the

1278
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: Jets are trying to do on offense because, as Mike

1279
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: Mark said, it just looked like an NFL offense Again,

1280
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco trade kind of looks weird now, yeah Flacco, Um, yeah,

1281
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: so my guard's up there. Whether that was a you know,

1282
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: once in a in a lifetime thing with your backup

1283
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: quarterback in this first start, And I'll be accepting if

1284
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: that's what it is, and I'll just be happy that

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: it ever happened. But maybe it turns into like the

1286
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: NFL version of insanity and he gets hot, and it'll

1287
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: be interesting to see on the cult side. Yeah, Like

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01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: they've had crushing losses before this season, uh, and they've

1289
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: bounced back. You may recall the loss to the Ravens

1290
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: on Monday Night a few weeks back, that they let

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01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: that game get away. They follow that up with wins

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: over the Texas Texans and Niners, and now they have

1293
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: another crushing loss to the Titans. But howalla we just

1294
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: as we know, Derrick Henry is not in the picture anymore.

1295
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: You got the Jets this week in your building, Go

1296
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: get a W there. You got the Jaguars next week,

1297
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in football in your building,

1298
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: Get a W right there. Then you're five and five

1299
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: and then you could check out and the schedule tightens

1300
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: up then because you got bills and bucks. But let's

1301
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: see where they are in two weeks this division with

1302
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: Tennessee two weeks without Derrick Henry and the Colts hopefully

1303
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: taking care of to the worst teams in the league.

1304
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: Maybe they have c South isn't done yet. It may

1305
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: not be done. But it is fools gold to me

1306
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,439
Speaker 1: on some level that the Colts have lost eight straight games.

1307
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: This is not the fool's gold part. They've lost eight

1308
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: straight games two teams above five hundred. I mean, they

1309
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: are a solid team that beats bad teams. But like

1310
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about projecting them into late December, Uh, I'm

1311
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: not sure I need it. Well, I'm not projecting what

1312
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: is the former Eagles? You know what We're in the

1313
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: last eight minutes of that game. Not great for him.

1314
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: He's It's funny because I think he's been better than

1315
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: people realized this year for the most part. But then

1316
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: he went like full winds and weirdly, the reaction in

1317
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: INDIANAPO this was like blaming Frank Reich after the game.

1318
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, Frank Greig's the only reason you guys got

1319
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: a chance. Frank Reich did it to himself, like he

1320
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: came in and he's I love Frank Creig. I think

1321
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: he's one of the best play callers. And he also

1322
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: has this like like when he blames everything on himself.

1323
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: It's not the Belichick move where he just like says

1324
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: that Frank Greig seems torn up inside, like he was

1325
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: putting it all on himself, and they sort of bought that,

1326
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: Like I shouldn't have called that tight end screen in

1327
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: the end zone where Wentz ended up throwing the pick.

1328
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but every other quarterback would have just

1329
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: thrown it at the running backs feet right away, Like,

1330
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: so don't put it all on you, Frank, Right, it's

1331
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: the guy you brought him about the hideous pick six, right, Yeah,

1332
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: I am not defending Carson Wentz's throw. It was a

1333
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: tricky play, but it was could have thrown it out

1334
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: of stuff. So his body was going I watched a

1335
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: few times yesterday. His body was going away from the

1336
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: running back went the other direction, and then he did

1337
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: have a tight end. I think it was Ali Cox.

1338
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: He was. He was in flat, but there was either

1339
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman in front of blocking his vision there

1340
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: so he couldn't do it without hitting his line, in

1341
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: which I guess would have been grounding. So he just

1342
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: I guess it was a panic, but there wasn't like

1343
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: a clear like oh that was so easy. He should

1344
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: have done this. It was a tricky and through from

1345
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: his left. Now, there's one other things that I took

1346
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: out of the game, Connie, and I'm sure this happened

1347
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia as things got grizzily near the end there.

1348
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: Check out the body language of the other Cults players

1349
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: on that pick six and then also on the interception,

1350
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: which by the way, Jonathan Taylor was wide open over

1351
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: the middle. Um where it's just like, come on, man,

1352
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: we're trying to win a ball game here, We're trying

1353
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: to stay in this division. In hindsight, with he imagine

1354
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: if they won that game again, they had multiple drives

1355
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: in overtime, they could have won aged everything. Just one

1356
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: quick thing for the Jets defense is they were different

1357
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: with Jared Davis and especially C. J. Mosley back, and

1358
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna be trying to stop a very good Cults

1359
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: running back in Taylor. My favorite thing about that wins

1360
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: play and people are acting like it was it had

1361
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: to be a safety or an interception. Well, no it didn't.

1362
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: But um, when he's ripped to the ground, he kind

1363
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: of peeks his head up and looks at like the

1364
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: upshot of what he's just done, and the look on

1365
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: his face and he still got a face mask on.

1366
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: Um was beautiful. Mark still, you know, because the Browns

1367
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: passed on Carson Wentz and that was that was an

1368
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: issue for a while. But now it's not an issue.

1369
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: And you like to have your heads. Remember all that

1370
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 1: you and Sam You're you're doing like Sam Donald dance

1371
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: around your house every night. It's the same like when

1372
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: when the cornerback you had. How do you know about

1373
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: my Sam Donald dance? I mean right there, you know,

1374
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: like from what I know. So just think of all

1375
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: the time though you wasted, you know, worrying internally combusting

1376
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: because you thought Carson Wentz was gonna turn into like

1377
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,839
Speaker 1: this Hall of Famer. Well the remember when the Browns

1378
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: from office was getting roasted for various people saying we

1379
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: didn't see Carson Wentz as a franchise quarterback. Check that box.

1380
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: You were correct, Baby management wins again. Well okay, that's strong,

1381
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: all right, good stuff. I like, no football gods, you're

1382
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: not gonna get me. I know what you're gonna do.

1383
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: I know it's I know it's coming. But if you're

1384
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: a person that likes the desert, keep an eye on

1385
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: this one. So they're dragging Mike White outside that even

1386
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: I think to win. I think it's I think that

1387
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: that's a ton of wood to lay on a Jets

1388
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: team that's feeling revitalized. Now. The Jets famously played down

1389
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: to expectations, so they could show up like the Patriots

1390
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: game version of the Jets as well. But just keep

1391
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 1: an eye. We've we've had like Nick Mullins games before

1392
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night football, So it wouldn't be the craziest

1393
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: thing to have Mike White coming to the podium dragging

1394
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: him out to twenty degrees. Well, no, I don't think

1395
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: that they'll have the roof open there, so I think

1396
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: it should be but it's just outside heard again or

1397
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: else he would be a good one. I'm trying to

1398
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: think of some spicy Nelson was not in the walkthrough either,

1399
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: um for Tuesday's practice, So that's something to keep an

1400
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: eye on. Connie. You said it all I have, UM please, UM.

1401
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: If you do speak with Mike White, tell him I'm

1402
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: in love with him, no problem. If you don't speak

1403
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: with him, as I expect you not to, because I

1404
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: know what's happening here and I know what's about to

1405
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: happen and you can't do this to me because I

1406
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: know what's happening. Well, this is so sweet of you.

1407
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: It's so sad also to see the internal workings of this.

1408
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: Tell the Colts congratulations on the wind. I mean, you

1409
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: kind of want to see Connie with Carson Wentz because

1410
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: something could go down there to some degree. Carson Wentz

1411
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: has to put a mask on immediately upon re entering

1412
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: the field for handshakes. So I don't know if do

1413
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: you want a guy with the mask during the interview process?

1414
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: Is that even allowed to interview them? You can take off?

1415
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: I think I think we would have to get off

1416
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: of the desk and then not happening. There's not a

1417
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: great interview. There a cube that we can get Greg

1418
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 1: into with Winz slather Greg up, all right? I mean

1419
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: I take this all as a compliment that this is

1420
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: what you should. You're protecting yourself, though, Dan against potential disappointment.

1421
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: I know, I've I've been through this before, only now

1422
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm modifying my fandom just slightly. I'm back in. But

1423
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: you can't hurt me as I know what you're trying

1424
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: to do. He's growing. I see you, and there's nothing

1425
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,799
Speaker 1: you can do to me? Are giggling up in the clouds.

1426
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back Thursday, uh with a another

1427
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, um the preview show, but also

1428
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: Thursday night will recap this game. And check out Connie

1429
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: Fox of course on NFL Network where she'll have this

1430
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: on Lockdown. Also Connie and Ricky Hollywood on the Split

1431
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: Ends podcast. I believe you had Rachel Bennetta on Today

1432
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: Awesome on the Power Ranking. She's a rising star. We

1433
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: like her, so check that show out. Anything else? Mark,

1434
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: do you have a plug? How's your what's going on

1435
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: with the Underdog's column? Take us through it? I actually

1436
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: mentioned that Jets spread. I thought that was in the

1437
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: inane and I told people, go take your hard earned

1438
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: money and you put it on the Jets, baby, I

1439
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: subtext in sub text. I didn't actually say that that

1440
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: was my I'm not allowed to, but that's what you

1441
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: should be reading on a different level. All right, Greg,

1442
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: do you have any other thoughts about the Shaun Watson situation?

1443
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: Before we signed off today? That was that was it

1444
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: culmination of months of wasting our time? All right, there

1445
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: we go, that's it. Theyn't had the signing off for

1446
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: the tiny box, the old boss fide storm, Ricky Hollywood,

1447
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: behind the glass, Where's braver? Isn't tears until Thursday hed

1448
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: that call