WEBVTT - THE POWERFUL CUP MANEUVER

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hello, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your life like?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Right now, it's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What's what's good about?

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<v Speaker 3>It's real life.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a new job that I really like.

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<v Speaker 1>It says here, did you want to talk about shipping

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<v Speaker 1>in a cup?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? So I was working for a company. I won't

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<v Speaker 3>say their name, but their very big company.

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<v Speaker 1>Says here, you worked at Ama, and I was.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Yeah, that was the company. I was a

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<v Speaker 3>delivery driver there in Brooklyn, New York, and I had

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<v Speaker 3>just finished eating McDonald's. I was about maybe three or

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<v Speaker 3>four minutes into my drive out of McDonald's when the

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<v Speaker 3>bubbly shit sensation came on. And I was in an

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<v Speaker 3>area where there was nowhere to go. I was too

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<v Speaker 3>far from the McDonald's. I was in an apartment complex,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had no other option but to take the

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<v Speaker 3>McDonald's cup and fill it to the brim with hot diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you park and go inside the McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 3>I was too far from the McDonald's I had left.

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<v Speaker 3>I was maybe four or five minutes away. I attempted

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<v Speaker 3>to make a delivery, and then as I was walking

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<v Speaker 3>to the apartment building, I felt it and I panicked.

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<v Speaker 3>I ran back to the truck, and it was either

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<v Speaker 3>shit in the coup or shit in my pants.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question, and I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to answer this honestly to your feelings. Sure, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the whole thing with Amazon about like people are

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<v Speaker 1>working in the warehouses and like like they have to

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<v Speaker 1>pee in bottles so bad. And I want to know,

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<v Speaker 1>is you sitting in a McDonald's cup in your truck?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a statement on capitalism? Or is that is

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<v Speaker 1>that just you shitting in McDonald's cup in your truck.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, all right, so I don't blame McDonald I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't blame McDonald's more than I blame Amazon. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 3>what what option could they give me as a driver?

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm not I never worked in the warehouse, so

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<v Speaker 3>I can't vouch for the warehouse people. But in a truck,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no clear cut option. Like I could go to

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<v Speaker 3>I could try to be preemptive and poop before I

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<v Speaker 3>get in the truck, you know, or but sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 3>just do or die, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a statement on capitalism, but not on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of Amazon. It's on behalf of McDonald's there to blame

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<v Speaker 1>for giving you the diarrhea in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, well, I don't want to blame McDonald's either, because

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<v Speaker 3>I knew what I was getting into you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know it was going to come on that quick.

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<v Speaker 1>But the diarrhea is you know, you don't make it.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't make responsibility.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you don't make the decision to go to McDonald's

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<v Speaker 3>and be like, this is a healthy life choice. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just I was hungry. I knew I was

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<v Speaker 3>going to pay for it at some point. I just

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know it was going to be that quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, final question, how much of the diary? This is

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<v Speaker 1>another thing I need to be honest with you about it.

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<v Speaker 1>How much of the diarrhea? What percentage got into the cup?

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<v Speaker 3>All of it? I I it was. It was cup

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<v Speaker 3>to asshole like I didn't. It was no room for

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<v Speaker 3>error there. My whole worry was that I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to overfill the cup, and luckily I didn't. But there

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<v Speaker 3>was no cleanup. You know, I'm very I'm very good

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<v Speaker 3>you know with physics. I think you took.

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<v Speaker 1>A clean one hundred percent diary is sure liquid? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>into a ye like however many inch.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like a large It was like a large size.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a large McDonald's cup. It was I had

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<v Speaker 3>a big doctor pepper.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you put that whole thing in your asshole.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, it wasn't in my asshole. I didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>put it in my asshole. I put the cup around

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<v Speaker 3>my asshole, like my asshole was like at the center

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<v Speaker 3>of the cup, and it was like I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>air tight to my budgets. It was not really any

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<v Speaker 3>area for splashage except onto my e But your.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheeks had to open up for the diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have I have a I don't have a

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<v Speaker 3>media ass. I have a very flat ass.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Hank Hill. Almost it hurts my back.

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<v Speaker 1>How did uh? How did you wipe afterwards?

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<v Speaker 3>I have, like I have tissues in my bag for

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<v Speaker 3>like my nose and stuff, and I used plenty of

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<v Speaker 3>those for my bud Did.

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<v Speaker 1>You put those in the cup when you were done

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<v Speaker 1>with them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all all poop stuff went into the cup and

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<v Speaker 3>then it went into the garbage. I had to drive

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<v Speaker 3>down to the block with it.

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<v Speaker 1>What percentage of the question, What percentage of the cup

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<v Speaker 1>was filled with diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, like ninety percent of the cup was full.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was very scared of the cup.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a lot of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a ten percent margin of error.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was sweling.

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<v Speaker 1>That's damn you really? This is like you pulled this off?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I did. I'm it's gross, but like, I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>proud of my execution.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you take a picture of the cup afterwards?

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<v Speaker 3>I did? Did I wait, did I send you a

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<v Speaker 3>picture of the cup I'm talking about? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think. I don't think I took a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I called my wife immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my background, your wife you called? What did you

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<v Speaker 1>call your wife.

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<v Speaker 3>For to tell her that I I took the dirhea

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<v Speaker 3>and a cup successfully?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I talk to your wife? Like real quick?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Sure, okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hey, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>My name's Lisa, Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your reaction when your husband called you to

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<v Speaker 1>brag about diarrhea and a McDonald's cup?

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<v Speaker 5>Can I can I just preface this with something. I

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<v Speaker 5>just want you to know that we were actually just

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<v Speaker 5>at your show in Denver, and my husband was too

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<v Speaker 5>afraid to get on the stage and talk to you,

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<v Speaker 5>So I made him call you and.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you, see, this would have this would have been

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<v Speaker 1>great on the stage. No, because here's the thing. If

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<v Speaker 1>he had actually, if he had gone on the stage

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<v Speaker 1>for this, I would have we would have paused the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have gotten a cup, and I would have

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<v Speaker 1>made him prove that he can do this on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's good that he didn't because he would have

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<v Speaker 1>had to back that up.

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<v Speaker 5>He probably he probably could have shipped on command.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, so all right, he's got to come back next year.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you respond when he called you to brag

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<v Speaker 1>about this?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure if I'm not sure it was a brag.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm being honest, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think he was. I think he was pretty him back.

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<v Speaker 1>But was I surprised that what he said to me

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't what he said to me. He didn't say

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<v Speaker 1>he called you because he was embarrassed. He said he

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<v Speaker 1>was proud. Do you hear him say that?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe did you say you were proud?

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<v Speaker 4>He's probably now it took him. That was probably like

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<v Speaker 4>a year ago. He said, Uh, he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Proud in the moment, but he's definitely proud now.

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<v Speaker 4>I think when he called me it was.

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<v Speaker 5>Just like, it's definitely an accomplishment.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, ah, but I think he.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he was not proud. I don't even remember

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<v Speaker 5>the phone call.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're you're a good wife.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a good wife.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, you're a good get Go.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me talk to your husband again real quick before we.

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<v Speaker 5>Before we go, okay, tata yah.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy, is there anything you want to say to other

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<v Speaker 1>people of the computer before we go?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Uh yeah, just you know, keep the cup tight,

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<v Speaker 3>don't leave room for ayer.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a good life, Billy. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Kay, I appreciate you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a good time. Man be too, dude, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way he didn't get at least a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>diarrhea on the truck one hundred. He'd better come back

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<v Speaker 1>to Denver next year because I'm pulling him up on

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<v Speaker 1>stage to prove it. What's up. How's it going?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it's uh, it's going pretty well. I can't complain.

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<v Speaker 4>Just uh, putting one foot in front of the other.

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<v Speaker 1>That's uh, that's great. What's what's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? You know, I'm just hanging out after I just

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<v Speaker 4>had a union meeting. Not too long ago. So I, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just chilling sitting at home, you know, waiting to

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<v Speaker 4>do this again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Reese, what is it that you called in to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about?

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<v Speaker 4>So I called Uh, I was talking about I told

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<v Speaker 4>the call screamers that I wanted to talk about being

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<v Speaker 4>a caregiver. And I work. I work pretty extensively with

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<v Speaker 4>my union too, so I uh, yeah, I just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of wanted to talk about that a little bit, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of It's given me a.

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<v Speaker 2>Different perspective on a.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of just on the aging process as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you know who, Yeah, tell me, who are

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<v Speaker 1>you giving care to? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm giving care to like folks who like elderly folk

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<v Speaker 4>who have like like dementia, Parkinson's, you know, like kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like you know that that those like later stages

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<v Speaker 4>of life, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>M hmmm. So it says here and this was the

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<v Speaker 1>part of this that caught my eye, that you deal

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of people who are dying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's just kind of it kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I personally haven't had anyone pass away, but

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of my coworkers have clients who unfortunately do

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<v Speaker 4>pass away.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And So what kind of perspective has it given

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<v Speaker 1>you on aging? As you said, Well, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm only twenty five, so I'm I'm still

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<v Speaker 4>just a wee lad in the grander scheme of things,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. But I know that I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 4>I'm only as young as I am, you know right

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<v Speaker 4>now as we're talking, you know, so and and some

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<v Speaker 4>of the folks that have you know that I had

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<v Speaker 4>his clients, they're you know, they're anywhere between like sixty

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<v Speaker 4>and like eighties, you know. So it's like by the

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<v Speaker 4>time like they get to by the time I give

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<v Speaker 4>them care, uh, they're already kind of in their like

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<v Speaker 4>and they're kind of on their last legs, so to speaking.

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<v Speaker 4>Like by one client that I have, he's he's a

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<v Speaker 4>he's a very sweet guy, but he's got he's got

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<v Speaker 4>all he's got a lot going on, and he like

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<v Speaker 4>he like I have to like physically like take him

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<v Speaker 4>to the restroom sometimes and like pull his his pants

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<v Speaker 4>on and his pull ups down so he can use

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<v Speaker 4>the bathroom properly. And it's like, you know, like there's

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<v Speaker 4>this I never like in my short time on this

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<v Speaker 4>and on this planet, I had never thought that there's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be a time where someone is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be in the bathroom with me, probably helping me do

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<v Speaker 4>like what once was essential. I mean, it's still essential,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's no longer as easy as it used to be.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's going to happen to all of us regardless too,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like not the specific.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, well, you know, you have an interesting experience where

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of yourself as an old person who is

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<v Speaker 1>limited in mobility and needs help taking a shit is

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<v Speaker 1>so so far, it's so far away from you as

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty five year old, and yet as for what

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<v Speaker 1>you do, you have the unique experience of it's like

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<v Speaker 1>not far away from you, it's right in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're seeing it. You're reminded that that's your fucking fate.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And like you know, and I look at my

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<v Speaker 4>clients all the time. I can't help but see myself

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<v Speaker 4>in their position one day, you know, because it's like

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<v Speaker 4>right now, I'm still healthy and able, you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, certain asterisks aside, you know, but like there's

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<v Speaker 4>it's just it's just kind of like right now, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Like when I was younger, you know, like I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of felt like I was more made of rubber, and

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<v Speaker 4>like I can do more things. And you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>if I like hurt myself for example, that like I

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<v Speaker 4>can just get up and go right away. But like

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<v Speaker 4>as you like as your body like ages, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just it's a very it's a very hard thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I don't I don't want to get too graphic

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<v Speaker 4>or nothing. But I had a I had a client

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<v Speaker 4>who had a catheter put in like a fully cafeter

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<v Speaker 4>and and that's the one that like goes that goes

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<v Speaker 4>up your gary thrun and uh, he like he like

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<v Speaker 4>he he doesn't understand what he doesn't even he barely

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<v Speaker 4>even remembers when he had for breakfast that day, let alone.

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<v Speaker 4>But a fully ca after is going to do so

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<v Speaker 4>like we and he's hard of hearing too, so we

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<v Speaker 4>have to like explain a couple. It's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like talking to like a kind of like a ten

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<v Speaker 4>year old, you know, like you don't have to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to them like their children. You don't have to condescend

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<v Speaker 4>to them, but like you kind of have to like

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<v Speaker 4>more or less get on their level, you know. And

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<v Speaker 4>and I and he didn't understand what was going on,

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<v Speaker 4>so like as as the nurses they're doing her thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm holding his hand and and he's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when he winces, I'm squeezing his hand. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a very like a very intimate thing for us to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be doing, right right, I mean, this guy is getting

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<v Speaker 1>a tube stuck in his penis and he doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>really know.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, he he he he thinks. Yeah, he thinks

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<v Speaker 4>that there's a problem with the plumbing. But and the

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<v Speaker 4>worst part of it, it really is, is he he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't know that it's not supposed to come out, so

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<v Speaker 4>he he wants to keep tugging on it and it's

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<v Speaker 4>not and yeah, and it's not. Yeah, it's not the best.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know, I haven't had a cafeter

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<v Speaker 4>put in lately, but I don't imagine it like being

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<v Speaker 4>too Like in today too, he was just he was

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<v Speaker 4>very like he kind of was just uncomfortable and he

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<v Speaker 4>was hurting something in fierce today. And you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>the agent experience isn't like that for everybody, but it's truly,

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<v Speaker 4>like like truly it's it's truly something. It's like it's like.

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<v Speaker 6>Mind opening to you know, see, like you know, kind

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<v Speaker 6>of because the reason why I became a caregiver to

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<v Speaker 6>begin with is because I wanted to become the mortician,

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<v Speaker 6>and I wanted to kind of work with folks on

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<v Speaker 6>this side of it before I go on the other

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<v Speaker 6>side of it, and.

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<v Speaker 4>So I wanted to kind of see kind of wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to see what they were going through, and I can.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, historically speaking, the job that I work, it's

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<v Speaker 4>been kind of seen as like, you know, babysitting, and

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't have really a whole lot of the respects

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<v Speaker 4>that it deserves. You know, a lot of folks think

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<v Speaker 4>we're just babysitters, and that's far far not the case.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I I just my union sent me down to

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<v Speaker 4>Georgia not too long ago, and the minimum wage for

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<v Speaker 4>a healthcare worker like me was only five fifteen an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Five dollars and fifteen cents. Correct, there's a five dollars

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<v Speaker 1>minimum wage in Atlanta, I mean in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because they're one of the few states in the

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<v Speaker 4>country right now. I think there's a couple of others

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<v Speaker 4>who escaped me right now, but Georgia is definitely one

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<v Speaker 4>of the states that pay below the federal minimum wage.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was hearing stories. I was hearing stories of

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<v Speaker 4>folks who were working like two or three or four jobs.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes it's still not being able to pay their bills

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<v Speaker 4>and like being financially unable to provide care for their

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<v Speaker 4>loved ones, you know, and it's it's crazy. It's really

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<v Speaker 4>like soul crushing, which is why, like I'm really like

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<v Speaker 4>this is why, like I like, joining the union was

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<v Speaker 4>the best decision that I've ever made.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me, when you're in the room with the

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<v Speaker 1>guy get in the tube of his penis, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't even know what's going on, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>feeling in that moment?

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<v Speaker 7>Or like.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel removed from the situation because you're there

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<v Speaker 1>very much doing a professional job and so you're almost

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally taken out of it maybe in that sense, or

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<v Speaker 1>or are you fully there? Like tell me how you're

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean I do got to say that, like

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<v Speaker 4>I had, I had to make a phone call to

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<v Speaker 4>my folks after the day was over and tell them

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm thankful for certain decisions they made when I

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<v Speaker 4>was a child. Because, uh, the catheter my client wasn't circumcised,

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<v Speaker 4>So like we had trouble finding his urethra, and what

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<v Speaker 4>I what I was feeling was I'm trying to I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to, like I have an emotional stake in this,

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, I want it. You know, if I'm

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<v Speaker 4>ever in a position where someone has to take care

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<v Speaker 4>of me, and I want someone who's gonna want who's present,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, who's like, who cares about what's happening to me.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. So I wanted to, like I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>put a brave face on to him, But at the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the day, it's just, you know, I have

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<v Speaker 4>to like avoid staring at the old man wiener mm.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a difficult thing to avoid staring at.

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<v Speaker 4>No. I mean, like it's it's kind of it's not

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<v Speaker 4>that hard. It's like you kind of look off into

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<v Speaker 4>the middle distance and you think about your life for

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<v Speaker 4>a little while, and you think you're gonna be doing

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<v Speaker 4>this for forty years, and and by the time that's

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<v Speaker 4>all over west, you kind of like have to like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>back to you know. There's a lot of times where

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<v Speaker 4>like like it's just there's a lot I have to

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<v Speaker 4>have a lot of like I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 4>necessarily say cognitive dissidence. But there are times where like

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of have to like like I like because

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<v Speaker 4>I also do like kind of like light housework too,

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<v Speaker 4>so like sometimes I'm just sweeping or moping or something,

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of just like I kind of zone out,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But Okay, yes, I would that that that that that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what I was referring to, is like you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing your best to be present because it's important to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think you would be doing this

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<v Speaker 1>shit if it wasn't something you really cared about. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like something I just got into to make

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<v Speaker 1>a check. So yes, you want to be present, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think that obviously with something like that, if you were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it wouldn't be atrocious to me for you

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<v Speaker 1>to have to employ some dissonance every once in a

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<v Speaker 1>while just to keep yourself sane, you know what I'm saying, just,

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<v Speaker 1>oh God, just to keep yourself from burning out. So

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<v Speaker 1>tell me this, how much longer do you yourself doing

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<v Speaker 1>this for? Are you hoping to have a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lifelong career as a as a caregiver? Like what do

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<v Speaker 1>you see in your horizons?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm still I see myself doing this for at

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<v Speaker 4>least the next like a couple of years, like two

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<v Speaker 4>three years. My ultimate goal is I want, like I

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<v Speaker 4>was I was saying earlier, i worked pretty regular with

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<v Speaker 4>my union, So I'm hoping to transitions from the field

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<v Speaker 4>as they call it, to more of like a staff

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<v Speaker 4>position with my union, because right now it's kind I'm

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<v Speaker 4>kind of working like that. I do kind of both,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Like right now, I do the caregiving and

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<v Speaker 4>then on certain days I do like training orientations for

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<v Speaker 4>other caregivers who are first kind of you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>orientation training for them, and I'm hoping to do like

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<v Speaker 4>actually I have an internship up coming up with them

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<v Speaker 4>at the start of next year, and they'll I'll have

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<v Speaker 4>to take like a leave of absence and and like

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully like that kind of takes me a little further.

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<v Speaker 4>But because it's like it is, my clients vary like

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<v Speaker 4>the hours area between them, so I only think if

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<v Speaker 4>I only have one client and a week, they only

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<v Speaker 4>have so many hours, and I only work those so

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<v Speaker 4>many hours. So with with if I have a staff position,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll have a forty hour basically a guaranteed forty hour

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<v Speaker 4>work week plus, and like I get to complain about

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<v Speaker 4>capitalism and get paid for it, so I can't rich

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<v Speaker 4>me that. Do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like you on a daily basis have a better

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<v Speaker 1>like you're more in touch with what life is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be like when you're old, And then does that

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<v Speaker 1>influence your actions, like when you are around so much

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<v Speaker 1>aging and death, you know, in your daily life, does

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<v Speaker 1>it compel you to be Like, Listen, one day, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a guy in a bed getting a tube

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<v Speaker 1>up his penis that doesn't have any fucking idea what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on, So fuck it, I'm gonna go do this

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<v Speaker 1>thing I want to do or that thing I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Like, does that closeness with your fate all

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<v Speaker 1>of our fates compel you in any direction in your

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<v Speaker 1>day to day life.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I definitely I'm more conscious of like like

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<v Speaker 4>my diet and like like kind of like on the

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<v Speaker 4>daily day to day like like I'm a little more

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<v Speaker 4>careful with like my health, I guess in that respect,

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<v Speaker 4>but like at the end of the day, I still

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<v Speaker 4>have a life to live, you know, and like I've

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<v Speaker 4>always kind of maintained that, you know, like life is

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<v Speaker 4>too long and too short to really not that you

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't worry about consequences, of course, but I mean like

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<v Speaker 4>you're like you only have today, so it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I I don't like there's a Africa who who actually

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<v Speaker 4>said this quote, But I've always kind of lived by

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<v Speaker 4>the philosophy of the philosophy up I'd rather be seventy

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<v Speaker 4>seven and dead and have like a lot of good

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<v Speaker 4>life experiences. And I've over being like one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>twelve and bored and talking about the weather. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>like I want to have those life experiences. Like I'm

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<v Speaker 4>already like as a caregiver, I'm kind of already planning

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, like with the folks who have like

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<v Speaker 4>all Clammer's and dementia, they remember core memories more so

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<v Speaker 4>than like kind of like.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I feel like one hundred and twelve, you're probably

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<v Speaker 1>getting like double penetrated by needles in the penis at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. I'm sure you have like, oh, you're at

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<v Speaker 1>least four different in every hole in your body by

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean like it's like if you're eating McDonald's every

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<v Speaker 4>day and like kind of just putting garbage into your

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<v Speaker 4>body that is more than likely, like you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>it's like it's the biomechanics of your particular physiology put

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<v Speaker 4>you in that position. Uh, I mean, like if you're

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<v Speaker 4>working out and you're doing like you're I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to sound like a like a health nut or nothing,

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<v Speaker 4>but I do know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Reese, Reese, I was gonna go to McDonald's after this,

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<v Speaker 1>but after hearing about all of this, nou totally. Yeah, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you've definitely can price. Reese. Man, Listen, you're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>great thing. I'm sorry to hear that fucking minimum wage

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<v Speaker 1>for this is like five dollars. That's crazy to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean I mean for.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I yeah, well you work out of Illinois.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the minimum wage in Illinois for for someone in

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<v Speaker 4>my position is fifteen dollars an hour, which is why

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<v Speaker 4>I yes, I agree. Like our our jobs kind of

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<v Speaker 4>we're like one step below a CNA. We do pretty

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<v Speaker 4>much all we don't do any of like the medical stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>but we do pretty much all the heavy lifting. And

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<v Speaker 4>like our job, like we at very minimum deserve thirty

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<v Speaker 4>dollars an hour and like and then you know, going

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<v Speaker 4>up from there, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Reese is there anything else you want to say

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>to the people of the computer before we go.

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<v Speaker 4>I just hope anyone that is in the vicinity of

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<v Speaker 4>our voices, I hope they consider joining a union, because

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<v Speaker 4>in any states that are right to work states, you're

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<v Speaker 4>guaranteed to make less money because of corporate greed. And

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<v Speaker 4>by joining a union, uh, you you put a stop

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<v Speaker 4>to the organized banditry of the working class. But with

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 4>the force of organized labor, and I couldn't do I

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 4>couldn't do what I'm doing without the union. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>that's my soapbox.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you very much for all of your hard work. Race.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a good rest of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>Likewise, thank you, thank you for all your hard work.

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<v Speaker 4>While and I I'm trying man, remember it's life is

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 4>is not a narrative. It's a series of poems.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. I'm going to think about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it keeps me going.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care of rees.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, have a good rest of your night. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to join in the UH. I guess I

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>have to start the therapy Gecko Union. I don't know

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>how many other people there are that UH dress up

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 1>as a gecko and UH talk to people on the phone,

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.159
<v Speaker 1>but maybe I should find However, many other people that

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>exist in the world that do it and ask for

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 1>more money. God damn it, we need more money to

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>buy more candy. Actually, I feel like i'm I'm I'm

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 1>off a candy now thanks to Reese. He convinced me otherwise,

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I like Raece. Reese was a good guy. Had was

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>like a very very pure intentions with his life. Nice

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>of him to help folks. You know, it's hard. It's

0:28:54.480 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>hard when you wanna do a thing not for money

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and just because you feel compelled to it, and then

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you're rewarded with that with not a lot of money.

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>But uh, I'm glad to hear that the Union has

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>been been good for Reese. He was talking about a

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of stuff about capitalism and everything, and I

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>don't I'm stupid. I don't read any books, and I

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:27.719
<v Speaker 1>don't look at the you know, I don't look at

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>books and stuff, so I don't know what is going on.

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>But I hope he fixes whatever bad thing is going

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>on in that realm, and I trust him to do

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>so because because I don't know what I'm talking about,

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>so I don't I don't think I can do it

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<v Speaker 1>join the Therapy Goto Union. Hello? Hello, what's up? How's

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it going?

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 7>It's going all right?

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Man?

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 4>How's it going?

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 7>How are you doing?

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Deck?

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 7>I just jumped on the stream while ago and got

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 7>lucky enough to get on. I caught in so many

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 7>times many Mmm, I'm kind of nervous.

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>No, don't be nervous. Don't be nervous where I don't

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 1>even know what we're doing here either? What's up? What's up? Man?

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>How can I? How can I get you to the.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? So?

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<v Speaker 7>I have some odd fetishes that I I can't I

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 7>just I can't come to accept them. You know what

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<v Speaker 7>I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what are the fetishes?

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 3>I like?

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 7>Like cooking?

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>You know what is tucking?

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<v Speaker 7>It's like, oh god, damn.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tucking like what Buffalo Bill does in that one

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>movie where you take your balls and penis and you

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>tuck it behind your thighs.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I'm not into that specifically, but I've never seen

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 7>Buffalo Bills. I'm not really Wait a.

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<v Speaker 1>Minute, are you saying tucking or cooking?

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<v Speaker 7>Cooking?

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Okay, it's just okay. The call screener wrote, tucking.

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, that's why she said it. Wasn't that weird?

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay? Are you so? You're not? So you're not into tucking.

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 7>I'm not into tucking.

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>No. And I'll say this, I think Buffalo Bill was

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a weird guy, but not because of that. I don't

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>think that factored into his I think the murdering of

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>people he was a cannibal. Yeah, I think the murdering

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and eating of people made him a weird guy. But

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>if it was just the tucking, you know, there's nothing

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that anyway. Okay, So you like cooking, you

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>like being cooked?

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 7>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, Well what do you like about it?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh? I don't know, man, it just it's says like

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 7>the sexual I don't know, it just gets me going,

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 7>you know what I'm saying? Does that make sense?

0:31:58.160 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:31:58.560 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Then?

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's it stems from a weird place certainly.

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<v Speaker 1>So just for those who don't know cooking, I'm clearing

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.959
<v Speaker 1>up the tucking cooking thing, tucking and cocking. What if

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you tucked and then got coocked? That would be crazy,

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>all right.

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<v Speaker 7>That would be crazy and probably actually you know, erotic, No,

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 7>no extra erotic.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree that could be a new thing for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Should try that next time you're getting cooked. Okay, cooking

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>I've never done it? Is your in is when you

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<v Speaker 1>ever when you're in a relationship with someone and you

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 1>like to watch them have sex with other people? Correct?

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 7>Basically, yes, that's okay, a lot of variations, but that's

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 7>that's certainly which.

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Would tell me which variation you're the most into?

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<v Speaker 7>Honestly, a little bit of all of it. I don't know,

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 7>Like I said, I can't. It's so hard to just

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 7>sit here and talk about I've never told anybody about it.

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 1>M hm mm hmm. And then again, go ahead, okay,

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>so you said there's a lot of variations of it.

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Describe to me which scenario, like, what variation of it

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>is the your dream? One? Like you have a girlfriend

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and she, you know, brings home a guy and she's like,

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna fuck you and I'm gonna fuck this

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>guy and the whole time she's like fuck you. You

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:38.479
<v Speaker 1>like she like, she's like being rude to you and

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 1>then good to this guy, and that's turning you on?

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Is that the kind of scenario that you're in? Okay, yeah, okay,

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 1>So why is it? Well, okay, so to stay with me, Okay,

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>why do you think it's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't it's I don't know. I guess it's just

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 7>it's just degrading. And it's like I guess also, you know,

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 7>it was kind of always taught that's not the way

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 7>to be. Do you feel me it is? I don't know.

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:13.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I.

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 7>Live in the South, so it's like it's a very

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 7>look down upon thing. It's like a taboo damn there.

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 7>And and then that might add to the factor too,

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 7>that it's like a taboo, you know. H But I'm not.

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Sure the fact that it's a taboo is making it

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<v Speaker 1>even hotter.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, maybe, I think maybe so. I think that's

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 7>part of it. But the degradation part, the degradation part,

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 7>that's definitely a big part of it too, you know.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 7>But but then again, that's like, like I said, I

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 7>think it stems from somewhere, and I kind of know

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 7>where it comes from, but it's just like I'm not sure.

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, tell me where you kind of think it comes from.

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 7>I think from how I was treated when I was young.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably, Okay, how were you treated with and how you

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 1>feel like talking?

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<v Speaker 3>Do what now?

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I said, how are you if you were comfortable with

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>telling us how were you treated when you were young

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 1>that you feel like is related to this?

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<v Speaker 7>Just very degrading, you know what I'm saying. It's like

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 7>it wasn't so much physical. It's very I guess like

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 7>emotional or kind of verbal, you know, if that makes

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 7>any sense.

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>And so your parents were verbally degrading to you.

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's almost like I kind of

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.879
<v Speaker 7>it like brings back some feeling from when I was young.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 4>It's so weird.

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 7>It's very strange when when I think about it, because

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 7>I guess I've never done it and maybe I couldn't

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 7>handle it. But then again, I'm afraid it's gonna, you know,

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.760
<v Speaker 7>kind of affect the way I can make relationships going forward.

0:35:55.200 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 7>And I'm not making very many relationships you know, in

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 7>general friends there like platonic or you know whatever, romantic

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 7>mm hmm.

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you watch like cock porn?

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:11.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 7>Sometimes? Actually yeah I do.

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:15.399
<v Speaker 3>I just do.

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Well. I think the shame, I mean, this is how

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you feel, this is it? This is Yeah, Well, you're

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>telling me the truth right now.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 7>One hundred. I'm not I would not lie to you.

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 7>I actually watched the stream the other day with like

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.360
<v Speaker 7>some dude did it and he wouldn't go through with it,

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 7>and you were talking about that. It's from from a

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 7>minute ago. But no, I wouldn't do that.

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Gack.

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.439
<v Speaker 1>I really no, no, no, you you know you're you're here.

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 1>You're hearing me wrong right now. I'm not asking you

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>that you're telling you. I'm restating the fact that you're

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 1>telling the truth. Okay, Yeah, yeah, I'm not questioning you.

0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I know you're telling the truth.

0:36:58.880 --> 0:36:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>And you're ashamed of the truth.

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<v Speaker 7>A hundred are you?

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Are you ashamed of the truth for a good reason?

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, you know, Like I said, I don't

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 7>know if it's like it's just I can't come to

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 7>accept it. I don't know if it's like you know,

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 7>it's like those weird emotions stemming from how I was

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 7>kind of degraded. But I was expected to be this

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 7>certain thing, you know, I kind of uh, you know

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 7>what a what a man is.

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Supposed to be?

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 7>You feel you know what I'm saying? Does that makes sense?

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I can I answer you something? Yeah?

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 3>What's up?

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>How do just how do you feel right now being

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>on the phone and talking to me about it?

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 7>A bit, a bit terrified? If I'm gonna be honest

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 7>with you. It's just and I'm anonymous, Like you know

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 7>what I'm saying. I know nobody knows. It's just talking

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 7>to you, and you've talked about some pretty fucked up shit.

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:10.879
<v Speaker 7>You know, it's still it's like, wow, it's still I'm

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 7>still trying to get over it. But it's just like

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 7>saying out loud, you know.

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you? I mean, does any part of you feel

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>relieved to talk about it?

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.120
<v Speaker 7>I definitely feel it's nice. It definitely has nice talking

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.279
<v Speaker 7>about it, just because I've been able to say it.

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 7>You know, I don't tell anybody. I have people that

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:37.320
<v Speaker 7>are really close to it. I just don't talk about it. Plus,

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:40.240
<v Speaker 7>it's like I hear a lot of people I'm close

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 7>to kind of talking about how it's you know, and

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 7>I don't know. I don't know how to explain I

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 7>don't how to explain it.

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 1>But you know what I'm saying, all right, were you

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>about to say that you feel people around you talking

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>about how it's weird or talking about yeah.

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 7>I don't know how to explain it. Should they just

0:38:58.640 --> 0:38:59.919
<v Speaker 7>talk about how it's it's weird?

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Or it's like who the fuck would do that?

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 7>You know what I'm saying stuff like that. M Well,

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 7>they make fun of the idea, and I'm like, I

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 7>get it. I get it, you know what I'm saying.

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 7>I get where they're coming from because I have the

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 7>same emotions toward it, even though I'm into it, you know.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, But yeah, but can we But just I want

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 1>to like challenge for a second the emotions that you

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>have to it, that you've picked up from your friends,

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>because what really is behind those emotions? Like, like, tell

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 1>me what, tell me in your words, how you think

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 1>your friends view this.

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 7>It's it's not just my friends either, but it's family.

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 7>It's all that sort of thing.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a culture. Yes, it's used as an insult,

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>being a cock. There is a cultural, societal whatever thing

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>about it. And and what what is the origin of

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>what is your view of that perspective? What is your

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>explanation of that perspective?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't I don't know where it comes from, but

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 7>I just know that it's it's it's what I've I

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 7>guess I've always heard coming coming up, you know, just

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 7>growing up and stuff. That's just how how people view it.

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 7>You know, it's very But.

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>No, when I'm asking I'm not asking you where that

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 1>perspective comes from, Like what is it? Like? What what

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>is your friend's perspective on being a.

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<v Speaker 7>Cut Oh, they think that, you know the same. It's

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 7>just it's disgusting, It's it's weird. It's all that ship.

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 7>You know, they think that. That's what they think about it.

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 7>You know, hear them talk about that sort of shit sometimes.

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so real quick, what let's go into why Why

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 1>is it weird? Why is it disgusting?

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 7>I guess it's it's uh, you know, I don't fuck

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:58.360
<v Speaker 7>I don't know. I guess it's because you're I guess

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 7>I just supposed to be a not submissive or some

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 7>shit like that. Now, I don't really buy into that

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:07.240
<v Speaker 7>sort of shit.

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Because there is no real fucking reason as to why

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it's weird. As opposed, and that perspective that your friend

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:19.720
<v Speaker 1>has is built on a faulty foundation. It's built on nothing.

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:24.319
<v Speaker 1>It's built on a societal perception of how you, as

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>a guy, are supposed to be, and that perception was

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:34.759
<v Speaker 1>also built off of absolutely nothing. And the truth is

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 1>that you feel how you feel, and you're really not

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 1>hurting anybody, and you're really not doing anything malicious. And

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 1>all that really matters is is this thing in any

0:41:52.920 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>way negatively impacting your life? And I don't know the

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 1>answer to that.

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean, I suppose it's not negatively affecting my life.

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:10.959
<v Speaker 7>Like I said, I'm not. I don't really have any

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 7>sort of relationship right now, so it's nothing I like

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 7>I said, I haven't tried it yet. But I mean

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 7>it's I don't know, it's like a I don't know,

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 7>it's a bit of I don't want to say addictive.

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 7>I guess it's not just that, but it's like I

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 7>don't know, I'm I can't get away from the idea.

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 7>It's it's just always in my pops in my head

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 7>at weird times and.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Ship James, listen, if I can tell you this that

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>your friends or your family or the people around you

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>and your community, the weirdness, it's it's not based off

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 1>of anything real, So don't listen to it. Cut cut

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.399
<v Speaker 1>all the other people's perceptions of you and what you're

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.359
<v Speaker 1>into and and whatnot. Just cut it out because it's

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 1>not important. And all that's really important is how you

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>feel about you and how you feel about these things.

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.240
<v Speaker 1>And I hope that the way you feel about things

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>is built on a foundation of that really fucking means something,

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>because right now you are feeling all this shame that's

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:30.280
<v Speaker 1>based off of not living up to other people's expectations

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>of how a man should be, of how a relationship

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 1>should be, and nobody gets to decide those things. There's

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 1>so much people trying to fucking dictate how other people

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.320
<v Speaker 1>should live, how other people should go about their lives,

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's just such a stupid fucking thing, James, and

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.719
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be feeling shame about other people's dictations of

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>how you should be as a human being.

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 7>I appreciate that, brother, I appreciate it, and I shouldn't.

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 7>And I don't know. Things just I don't know. It's

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 7>like I said, this one is just one I really

0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 7>really struggled to just accept.

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And but I think I was sad to hear that

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>nobody's told you that.

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 7>I definitely haven't heard that. I appreciate the ship. I

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 7>really do, but it's just it's it's just so hard

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 7>to accept.

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you ever been to a real therapist?

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I said, have you ever been to a

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>real therapist.

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 7>I have, but not about this specifically. And there's also.

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you intentionally not tell them?

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 7>I mean it's been a while. I mean I did

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 7>have these kind of things, but I just kind of

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 7>just kind of didn't didn't think about it, kind of

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 7>stuffed it down a bit. Had a lot of other well,

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 7>other other issues that kind of affecting me at the

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.799
<v Speaker 7>that that point in time, you know, so we didn't

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 7>really get into that. We talked about the more upfront

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 7>kind of issues, you know, like what I the problems

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:18.359
<v Speaker 7>I was having right then, or there were more there

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 7>were negatively affecting me worse at the time, you know.

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 7>I mean I could talk about other things too, I

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 7>just that this is just one that I figured, you know,

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 7>I'd rather be a non host to get on about.

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I think next time, if you do go to therapy,

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I think you should talk about this because hopefully, because

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the thing is if it's something that stemmed from like

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 1>your parents and you need to go in and like

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:56.800
<v Speaker 1>work through the traumas of the past, I think that's important.

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:02.399
<v Speaker 1>But as I if you could take anything away from

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 1>this conversation, and again I'm sad to hear that the

0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 1>town that you live in and your friends and your

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 1>family are imposing their ideas of how you should be

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 1>upon you. I'm sad to hear that. So if you take,

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.439
<v Speaker 1>if you take anything away from this conversation, I hope

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 1>it's that you don't have to live by that. Do

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 1>you understand what I'm saying?

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 7>I think I think, yeah, I'll take that with me.

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.359
<v Speaker 7>I appreciate that. I really do. It makes me feel

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:45.879
<v Speaker 7>a lot better.

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Don okay, please do please don't. I could say like

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>more words now, but I'd rather you just like focus

0:46:55.840 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 1>on that and think about that every day, that you

0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to live by these people in your

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>small towns ideas of what is and is not weird

0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and acceptable. And you're a young dude. You said you're nineteen.

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 1>The faster you focus on abandoning those, the quicker you

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.759
<v Speaker 1>will live a much nicer life for yourself. So I

0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>hope you do.

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 7>Absolutely not try. I really appreciate it, Like I said,

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 7>like I never do, never talked about it. That this

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:43.240
<v Speaker 7>helps so much. I appreciate you guy.

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad to hear that. I'm glad that you

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:52.959
<v Speaker 1>were courageous enough to share this stuff. And I hope

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.360
<v Speaker 1>you are more comfortable with it in the future. Is

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:57.800
<v Speaker 1>there anything else that you want to say to the

0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>people of the computer before we go.

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 7>James, No other than I appreciate it. Shut out of you.

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:10.160
<v Speaker 7>James isn't my name, actually, but thank you so much.

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Greg.

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.359
<v Speaker 7>You have a great night, brother. I appreciate you movie.

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Take care. Fuck man ah man, I fucking I don't know,

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>you know what it is. Maybe this sounds douchey, but

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say it because I've been thinking about it

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>in my little internet therapy Gecko worlds, and also my

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>parents and my friends. They're all everyone in that sphere

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 1>is very they are. They're open minded people, and I'm

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 1>really grateful and lucky for that. And I think with

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 1>calls like the one I just had, they keme into

0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:02.400
<v Speaker 1>remembering like, oh, fuck, you know, there's folks like James

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 1>who are not as lucky to have the de facto

0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:14.239
<v Speaker 1>sentiment around them be as supportive, and it keys me

0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:22.240
<v Speaker 1>into that, and I hope, because I don't know, sometimes

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I say all the cliche hippie shit of like, well,

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be so invested in other people's

0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>opinions of you, and blah blah blah, And I think

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm so engulfed in my own sphere being very supportive

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:42.359
<v Speaker 1>that in my head I'm like, well, everyone already knows that,

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 1>don't they. And then I, you know, get a call

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>like that where I'm like, oh, fuck, there's folks like

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 1>James who live in who in their own spheres, the

0:49:53.520 --> 0:50:01.279
<v Speaker 1>de facto sentiment is not open minded and supportive, and

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that fucking makes me sad. So I hope, I don't know,

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I really do. I hope uh that he does take

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that ship to heart and think about it. I've been

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 1>asked before. I have the friends, and he asked me.

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 1>He was like, do you really care about helping people?

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Because I don't. It's a complex as a that's a

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 1>complicated answer to that question. And here's what I think

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 1>in that moment. Over the course of that phone call,

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I really wasn't gay. I was like, I really want

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to help this guy. But when I get off of this,

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:47.960
<v Speaker 1>when I hit when I stop recording, I'll probably never

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 1>think about him again. That's kind of where I land

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 1>about on that. It's like, in the moment that I'm

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 1>on the phone with this guy, it's like, really important

0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:02.399
<v Speaker 1>to me, and then that's all I've got, and then

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I can't care outside.

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 4>Of that.

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Because it would be inhuman. I think that's the truth.

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:13.960
<v Speaker 1>But fuck as I'm talking about, right, I really I

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.280
<v Speaker 1>hope I hope he. I hope he took that ship,

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 1>and I hope that that call helped him. I dude,

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I really do. And you know what, in his honor,

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go home and watch some cockborn tonight as well.

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Hey hey, hey, hey.

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 1>What's your name?

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:34.360
<v Speaker 4>Hayden?

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Hayden? What's going on? Hayden?

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Not a whole lot?

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Am I on?

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Hayden? It says here you wanted to talk about food?

0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I do? You sound wildly different on the phone than

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:50.799
<v Speaker 2>you do in your podcast.

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:54.360
<v Speaker 1>What kind of food do you want to talk about?

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 3>I wanna?

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 4>I want to.

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about, uh, pizza. I have a

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 2>topic about it. I'm very passionate about I want to

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:03.759
<v Speaker 2>share it with you.

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:06.719
<v Speaker 1>You you called in to my podcast to talk to

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>me about pizza.

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:10.479
<v Speaker 2>I did, I did, I did?

0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh. I would love to talk about pizza, so now, please,

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I would love to talk about pizza. What do you

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 1>want to talk what about pizza?

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about how triangle cut pizza is

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:27.479
<v Speaker 2>superior in every way, shape and form compared to square cut.

0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I have my personal thoughts about this, but go

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:32.440
<v Speaker 1>ahead and tell me what your theory is.

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:38.400
<v Speaker 2>My biggest thing. Right, Let's say you're at a gathering

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 2>with a very large group of people and they order

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 2>six boxes of pizza and it's all square cut. You're

0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:48.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the first people in there. You don't know

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.880
<v Speaker 2>how many slices to grab, it's impossible, you don't know

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:54.839
<v Speaker 2>what percentage of pizza to take. It's annoying. But if

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 2>it's triangle cut, you just take two slices and then

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 2>you're done with it. And then like go back when

0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:05.840
<v Speaker 2>to everyone that's gotten their slices, because there's still going

0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 2>to be but you start with two and then you

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:09.879
<v Speaker 2>get more later.

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:16.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, what you are touching on is the the

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the well known ambiguity of square pizza versus the relative

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:30.360
<v Speaker 1>certainty of triangle cut pizza, because two slices of triangle

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:38.280
<v Speaker 1>cut pizza is the generally agreed upon serving size. However,

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>there is no widely accepted, generally agreed upon serving size

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:51.040
<v Speaker 1>for square pizza. That's why whenever I order a square

0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:54.480
<v Speaker 1>pizza I could find myself eating the whole thing. That's

0:53:54.520 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 1>actually not why I do that, because I I don't

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:04.839
<v Speaker 1>care about my body. But it's true, you don't really

0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:06.000
<v Speaker 1>know how many size it is to take. You have

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to kind of do It's like the metric system. You

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 1>have to kind of find the equation of how many

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<v Speaker 1>slices of square pizza add up to be a triangle

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<v Speaker 1>cut slice of pizza. Do you have a number for

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<v Speaker 1>that yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Not personally, because I will typically avoid getting square cut

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<v Speaker 2>pizza whenever I can. The other big thing about it

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<v Speaker 2>is a common argument I gain that oh it's it's nice,

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<v Speaker 2>it's easy to eat, but no it's not. There are

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<v Speaker 2>some like if you're getting maybe Marion's Marian's pizza, the

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<v Speaker 2>little tiny squares over all, right, but most of them

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<v Speaker 2>are not my sized. And I also find what you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying earlier about you just you can it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like you're eating less, so you just eat the whole pizza.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I and that's what I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>as like a pro but I don't know why that

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<v Speaker 1>like when that When that thought first came to my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>it appeared to me as a as a as a

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<v Speaker 1>positive as to why I prefer score pizza, but now

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<v Speaker 1>now I think it as it is actually a negative.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's good to know how much you are consuming,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm on your side.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been very vocal about this with all my friends,

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<v Speaker 2>about arguing about it, and it has definitely come back

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<v Speaker 2>to bite me because in every social gathering that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a part of where pizza is involved, I am a

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<v Speaker 2>plain cheese guy, love just the classic like just cheap,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, when you say when you say you bring

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<v Speaker 1>this up into every conversation and it is affected you negatively,

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<v Speaker 1>do you do you think it has anything to do

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<v Speaker 1>with your stance on pizza or do you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't talk about anything else?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I talk about other things. But if like

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<v Speaker 2>we ever talk, if we ever get into the food debate.

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<v Speaker 2>I just have like a list of several hot takes

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<v Speaker 2>on different types of food, and this is the most Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the one that gets people the most wild up.

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<v Speaker 2>But every time I'm in a situation where there's pizza

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<v Speaker 2>and a group of my friends, they will exclusively get

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<v Speaker 2>my cheese pizza square cut, and everything else is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to cut. But they do it to fight and I

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<v Speaker 2>and money, but and.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you have? What do you think about what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with Israel and Palestine?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? What do I really? Man, I'm not I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>too sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch there's somebody freaking out in the background. Is everything

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<v Speaker 1>okay with with this person?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>That that is? That is my fiance. Man, You're not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna believe this. I'm sitting in her and sitting with

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<v Speaker 2>her in labor and delivery. She's not giving birth.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

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<v Speaker 1>Your wife is is writhing in pain with contractions? No background? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you are on the phone with a gecko debating about

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not square cut pizza is better than triangle pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, she's not giving birth right now. We got

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks until that happens. We're here for

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<v Speaker 2>just a normal checkup. She's talking to me about food

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<v Speaker 2>for McDonald's, which is what we're going to do once

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<v Speaker 2>wee weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm I'm like, your break from having to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with your pregnant wife.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not really a break. No, she's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me talk to her real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to talk to her? Yeah, of course she's

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<v Speaker 2>flipping me off. I'm being honest. I don't think she

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<v Speaker 2>wants me to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>She's not.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she's not mad at me. She's mad at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I feel like I'll die if I give

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<v Speaker 2>you give her this phone. I'll be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>No, trust me, you should. You should give her the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I should give her the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>You should give her the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>She's giving me that look like I will die if I.

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<v Speaker 4>Give her the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, this is gonna this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go very well for everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to talk to the therapy?

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<v Speaker 3>Get go?

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<v Speaker 2>She said no, yeah, I honestly, when I called in,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been watching the stream. I just called like

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of minutes before you went live so I

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<v Speaker 2>could get into queue. And I was like, I swear,

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<v Speaker 2>if this is the time that she picks up my call,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'll be able to take it.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, no, this is fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Hayden, Yeah, go go be with your wife.

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<v Speaker 2>I am with my wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, I'll talk to you later.

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<v Speaker 2>Headen, all right, yeah, hight bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Love. A guy who has his priorities in line goes

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<v Speaker 1>on the line taking your phone calls every night, the

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<v Speaker 1>recon goes doing his eye He's teaching

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<v Speaker 3>You aloud in the movie line, but he's not ready

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<v Speaker 3>an expert.