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Speaker 1: responsible gaming Resources. Hi, everybody interesting Interesting Sunday. So in
Speaker 1: the first window, all the best quarterbacks won, and I
Speaker 1: do think Will Levis is going to be better than
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. He had four touchdowns today, but mostly the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks won.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: In the afternoon, Russell Wilson beat Mahomes. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a second, but it was a day in
Speaker 1: which the better quarterback, Mahomes, was sick mostly won. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I've said this before. It's one thing if
Speaker 1: your brother or sister was more successful than you and
Speaker 1: lives in another state across town. But if they're more
Speaker 1: successful than you and they're your neighbor and you can
Speaker 1: see the cars and the beautiful house, it stings a little.
Speaker 1: It's one thing for brock Purty to struggle, but when
Speaker 1: he struggles at home on the same field with Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: it's not great. And Burrow was brilliant, and Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: watches that and knows that, you know, he lost to
Speaker 1: Mahomes in a Super Bowl, And Kyle Shanahan knows his
Speaker 1: dad won Super Bowls with l Way, and Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: was a coordinator and had Matt Ryan and got beat
Speaker 1: by Tom Brady. He understands it that he's had a
Speaker 1: garoppolo or his dad had quarterbacks in his career in
Speaker 1: Washington that weren't up to snuff. So when you have
Speaker 1: Burrow playing brilliant today and Purdy had that late fumble,
Speaker 1: wats the knock on pretty small hands, small hands, equal fumbles.
Speaker 1: He got hit from behind. He had a really bad
Speaker 1: red zone interception, the kind of interception you just can't make.
Speaker 1: You probably couldn't find one of those in John Elway's
Speaker 1: career or in Patrick mahomes career. You can't throw an
Speaker 1: interception when a guy's three feet from you. He had
Speaker 1: another interception in the game. So now now Perdy can
Speaker 1: make throws. He threw the ball two or three times today.
Speaker 1: Tony Rommel pointed it out to George Kittle, really big
Speaker 1: time throws. So I still think Brock Purtty has talent,
Speaker 1: but he's a seventh round guy. He's smaller, doesn't have
Speaker 1: a big arm, mobile, not fast, smaller hands. And I
Speaker 1: thought when you juxtaposed him with Joe Burrow today, same field,
Speaker 1: it really looked obvious. And and by the way, I
Speaker 1: saw this all day today, Jalen Hurts with Sam Howe.
Speaker 1: Sam How's competent, but Sam Howe on the field with
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. Last couple of drives for Washington, next to
Speaker 1: last drive, Sam Howe missed on one receiver. He had
Speaker 1: to go down. Much more catchable ball. If an elite
Speaker 1: quarterback through it. Then he missed another guy through to
Speaker 1: the wrong guy. And that when you get a hurtz
Speaker 1: and a howl and organizations have to make decisions, or
Speaker 1: you get a burrow and a party and organizations have
Speaker 1: to make decisions. It's really clearly the gap is massive.
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Kirk Cousins, you know, out or
Speaker 1: form rock party. That's one thing. You're on the road
Speaker 1: at home kind of ugly, and so you know, I
Speaker 1: there's an argument to be made, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's crazy. You know, years ago you're like, well, you
Speaker 1: can't draft a kicker. Well, they're often the leading scorer
Speaker 1: on your team. Of course you can't. Of course you
Speaker 1: can draft a kick her. You know, you can never
Speaker 1: take a running back in the first round. There's been
Speaker 1: a lot of great running taken in the first round,
Speaker 1: and I had been wildly productive. It's okay, you could
Speaker 1: probably make an argument, and Belichick did it about every
Speaker 1: second third year, that you should draft a quarterback every year,
Speaker 1: every year, even if you have Tom Brady was in
Speaker 1: New England. They were still drafting a quarterback every year,
Speaker 1: every single year, almost And I mean Garoppolo got drafted
Speaker 1: in the second round, and Brady was winning super Bowls.
Speaker 1: So I just look at San Francisco and you can say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, they really missed on Trey Lance, but they
Speaker 1: hit on Brock Purty for a seventh round talent. CJ.
Speaker 2: Beth.
Speaker 1: That was a little bit of a miss. Garoppolo trade,
Speaker 1: that was a semi hit got to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's okay draft the quarterback every year. There's an argument
Speaker 1: there will be some years you take two quarterbacks. You
Speaker 1: take one early second round, you take one late sixth round.
Speaker 1: It's the only position in football that's worth more than
Speaker 1: a point. Think how good Jamar Chase is. He's probably
Speaker 1: worth one point a game in the NFL, and he
Speaker 1: is sensational. How about that site line catch Dragon is
Speaker 1: put today? So I just thought, when you put Purdy
Speaker 1: and Burrow on the same field in Santa Clara, is
Speaker 1: a bad look. John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan. A couple of
Speaker 1: times Purdy came back to the sidelines and you could
Speaker 1: see the facial expression of Shanahan. He wouldn't make eye
Speaker 1: contact with Purdy. When your dad was really mad, ai
Speaker 1: Ian wouldn't make eye contact. Just looked at your mom
Speaker 1: and Grimace. There's a couple of those looks. So in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: they're a very funny team. They just can't play in
Speaker 1: September due to various Joe Burrow injuries. But I said,
Speaker 1: about three weeks ago they were getting out played by
Speaker 1: the Rams, and one got out played by the Seahawks
Speaker 1: and one Now they're out playing people. This is a
Speaker 1: really good football team. Don't worry about Kansas City. We'll
Speaker 1: get to that in a second. Cincinnati is a really
Speaker 1: good football team. Weapons, run game, can play, a little
Speaker 1: power star quarterback, pass rush, playmakers, really good football team.
Speaker 1: What to do with Kansas City's lost to Denver. Well,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes was sick. I mean, most of us take
Speaker 1: a day off and we're sick. We don't play in
Speaker 1: the hardest sport in America. But I think what you
Speaker 1: saw today you saw two things. First of all, Denver
Speaker 1: now has a run game, and Sean Payton has decided
Speaker 1: to play younger defensive players. They move off Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: so they're playing with a much livelier spirit defensively, right,
Speaker 1: you let the young kids drive the car. They're having
Speaker 1: fun down They're playing a little faster than they were
Speaker 1: a month ago and they're running the football. I thought
Speaker 1: the game plan was great running the ball. They've got
Speaker 1: a couple of capable backs, and what it does it
Speaker 1: takes Mahomes out of rhythm. And Mahomes not that the
Speaker 1: needs rhythm to be successful, but any quarterback wants to
Speaker 1: get in a rhythm. So when you're sit on the bench,
Speaker 1: it's a seven play drive, it's a nine play drive.
Speaker 1: You're sitting on the bench watching, it's cold, you're sick,
Speaker 1: you're on the road. It all adds up. But there
Speaker 1: were two plays in this game, and this is really
Speaker 1: what you worry about. The trade deadline is Tuesday, so
Speaker 1: they've already made one move at wide receiver. But there
Speaker 1: was the Rashi Rice drop in the first half, really
Speaker 1: bad drop over the middle of the field that was
Speaker 1: going to be a substantial gain. Bad drop. Then sky
Speaker 1: Moore I wrote it down here. Sky Moore had a
Speaker 1: drop for a touchdown in the end zone. This team
Speaker 1: is not a great team. It's got a great coach,
Speaker 1: a great tight end, a great quarterback, and a great
Speaker 1: Chris Jones in the defensive front. It's not a great
Speaker 1: team because in football now, weapons matter. Cincinnati's got him
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's got him. The top teams in this league, Detroit's
Speaker 1: got him. Dallas could use one more, but Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: weapons matter. They don't have an elite wide receiver. I'd
Speaker 1: argue the Chiefs not only don't have a one, they
Speaker 1: don't have a two. Rashid Rice is nice. At this point,
Speaker 1: he's a three or a four. Maybe by the end
Speaker 1: of the year he develops into a two. So they
Speaker 1: go to the Jets, they get a word receiver who
Speaker 1: knows their system. He's a three to a four. So
Speaker 1: I do think it's something I think against the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: or of Baltimore, and I think right now those teams
Speaker 1: are as good and they just have more speed on
Speaker 1: the outside. You know Odell Beckham, t Higgins, Jamar even
Speaker 1: Nelson Aguilar for Baltimore. These are veteran players who have
Speaker 1: been around. They can make plays. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that compounded. Mahomes flew today on the road.
Speaker 1: Denver's running out of rhythm, lots of drops. But I
Speaker 1: would say the margin for air for Kansas City is
Speaker 1: slimmer this year. Think about it. Name the game. They
Speaker 1: look great offensively, they haven't. They had a great first
Speaker 1: half did the Chiefs against Brandon Staley and the Chargers defense.
Speaker 1: They had a great first half, they really haven't put
Speaker 1: together a great game like what Cincinnati did today where
Speaker 1: you really felt you were watching a super Bowl level
Speaker 1: team beginning to end. I mean, you watched Cincinnati interceptions,
Speaker 1: defensive plays, sacks, strips, Jamar Chase, Burrow, long drives, quick drives.
Speaker 1: You know when they get the interception, turn around Burrow
Speaker 1: to Jamar Chase right side end zone like quick strike,
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati today. That's a masterclass on how to beat
Speaker 1: a really good team in the forty nine ers. Kansas
Speaker 1: City has not had one of those this year against
Speaker 1: a semi quality team, great half against the Chargers, who
Speaker 1: are a bit of an under coach mess. So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't make too much of it, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a reality of what Kansas City is. They let Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill go agreed with it for all the picks they got,
Speaker 1: But they're really young sky Moore, Rice, they're really young
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and those guys aren't superstars. They're developing players
Speaker 1: who potentially become really nice, complimentary two and three receivers.
Speaker 1: I don't see sky Moore as a one Rice could
Speaker 1: be a really strong two. But this is Travis Kelsey's team.
Speaker 1: You're right, go look at the targets and the catches today.
Speaker 1: This is Travis Kelsey's offense, and Mahomes and Nanny Reid.
Speaker 1: Third thing, you know, I was thinking about the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers, So everybody privately in that building those Jordan
Speaker 1: love is not it and they're not winning. Pittsburgh lost today,
Speaker 1: but Pittsburgh's winning more with Kenny Pickett, and so you
Speaker 1: probably think, well, they're in a better spot. But I
Speaker 1: don't think Kenny Pickett in the AFC is going to
Speaker 1: go toe to toe with Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Mahomes,
Speaker 1: come on, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. He's not. He's just not.
Speaker 1: He was viewed as a top of the third round
Speaker 1: pick by two gms who I have great admiration for.
Speaker 1: One of them's got Super Bowls. Okay, he was a
Speaker 1: top of the third, middle of the third pick. But
Speaker 1: the Steelers needed a quarterback and he was from Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: so they're going to give him more years than they
Speaker 1: normally would because he's a local kid and because their
Speaker 1: defense is so good. They're winning games. Although not today.
Speaker 1: And also Matt Canada is going to take the heat
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. So Pittsburgh's going to stay with Kenny
Speaker 1: Pickett a while he's not winning super Bowls, he's not
Speaker 1: getting the AFC Championships with the quarterbacks he is now
Speaker 1: facing in the AFC. Green Bay's in the weaker NFC.
Speaker 1: Jordan loves from Utah State, small contract. Nobody in that
Speaker 1: building thinks he's the guy. What's the loyalty, the loyalties
Speaker 1: to winning farv Aaron Rodgers. They knew they weren't going
Speaker 1: to hit a legend three straight times. So you can say, oh,
Speaker 1: Green Bay is not winning Pittsburgh's Bible. But Pittsburgh to
Speaker 1: me because of Kenny Pickett's local connection and because he'll
Speaker 1: win enough games, and you can blame Matt Canada. Steeters
Speaker 1: are gonna stay with Kenny Pickett for years. And I
Speaker 1: just think he's a gutty kid. I've never been a
Speaker 1: huge fan. Greg co Sell likes him more than I do.
Speaker 1: He's fine, but there's no special They didn't have a
Speaker 1: special arm, not specially athletic, not especially big. He's a
Speaker 1: guy who's got a little spirit to him. Well, he's
Speaker 1: a tough kid, a little swagger.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: But he's not great. But they're gonna stay with him
Speaker 1: a long time, right, Pittsburgh's done this in between Bradshaw
Speaker 1: and Big Ben. They stuck with a lot of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: longer than they should have. Green Bay is going to
Speaker 1: move off Jordan Love. They're gonna draft another quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody in that building, they're not gonna say it. Green
Speaker 1: Bay is full of nice people. It's the Midwest. He's
Speaker 1: a good kid, he's worked hard. They don't want to
Speaker 1: bury him. I mean, two weeks ago, he plays poorly.
Speaker 1: The coaches are after the game beside themselves. They fly
Speaker 1: back talk amongst themselves. Next day they blame themselves. Come on,
Speaker 1: he can't score on scripted plays in the first half.
Speaker 1: He's not it. Stop blame and play calling. You have
Speaker 1: the wrong quarterback. When you're blaming play calling, he's not
Speaker 1: the guy, good kid, not the guy. I mean, how
Speaker 1: many first halfs are we going to watch scripted plays
Speaker 1: with an offensive coach? They can't even move the chains
Speaker 1: pun pun pun punk punk. So the wise guys love
Speaker 1: Green Bay this week. I'm Chad Milman trying to talk
Speaker 1: me into it. I'm like, I can't. What I'm watching
Speaker 1: is a backup, not a franchise guy. Canny Pickett, you
Speaker 1: could argue is a lower tier franchise guy. I think
Speaker 1: it's a reasonable argument. You know, somewhere between twenty and
Speaker 1: thirty two. Jordan loves to me as a backup. Nice
Speaker 1: kid moves doesn't see the field particularly well judgment and
Speaker 1: that was always the knock out of college. But green
Speaker 1: Bay is going to move off him rather quickly. They're
Speaker 1: going to draft a counter. They drafted a quarterback last year.
Speaker 1: They're gonna draft a quarterback this year. And green Bay
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of needs. They've got the receivers
Speaker 1: they like, the young receivers, they have the young tight
Speaker 1: ends they like. They need to get somebody to be
Speaker 1: the next David Baktiari. They've got backs that are capable.
Speaker 1: They have an elite corner, they have good guys in
Speaker 1: the front seven. Like green Bay does not have a
Speaker 1: lot of big needs. Probably left tackle, probably another tackle.
Speaker 1: It's a good year for tackles, by the way. You
Speaker 1: can get that in the second, third, fourth round. But
Speaker 1: you would think today Pittsburgh's in a better spot. No,
Speaker 1: green Bay's got no connection to Jordan Love. Could move
Speaker 1: off in tomorrow. They're just nice people. It's a good organization.
Speaker 1: They want to give everybody a second and a third chance.
Speaker 1: And because they've had so much success with Farvan Rodgers
Speaker 1: through the years, Like Michael Jordan, you know, he wins titles,
Speaker 1: he leaves, he comes back, he wins titles. You had
Speaker 1: those fans tied in for another eight years, even if
Speaker 1: you were the worst team in the league. Green Bay
Speaker 1: is not losing any season tickets because they take a
Speaker 1: step back for a year or two. Not a lot
Speaker 1: to do in that town. And they've had so much
Speaker 1: success for thirty years with Farvon Rodgers. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: You're not gonna draft three legends in a row. I
Speaker 1: think have no connection to Jordan Love. They're going to
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Speaker 1: gone three and out. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, Dallas
Speaker 1: and Dak are very good as home favorites. When they're
Speaker 1: big home favorites, they play downhill. When that team gets
Speaker 1: a lead, Micah Parsons pins it back. They're a really,
Speaker 1: really good team. They don't play well from behind. If
Speaker 1: you have an elite corner and can take C. D
Speaker 1: Lamb out of the game, Dak gets really limited and
Speaker 1: mean He and CD really play at a high level.
Speaker 1: That's a rut. It's not Burrow Jamar Chase, but it's
Speaker 1: really special. And I think Dallas is a bit of
Speaker 1: the ultimate tease. About every third week they just kick
Speaker 1: the un one out of somebody. Everybody gets all worked up.
Speaker 1: Whereas Baltimore narrowly wins all the time. What they do
Speaker 1: to Detroit is rare. But in the in the AFC,
Speaker 1: Baltimore wins narrowly four to three. Like today, they kind
Speaker 1: of ugly it up and win, and they just sit
Speaker 1: in the woods Dallas. If you ask to average fans,
Speaker 1: they think they think Dallas is up here in Baltimore's
Speaker 1: down there. But Baltimore can win from behind with a lead.
Speaker 1: I trust Baltimore a better both sides of the ball,
Speaker 1: complete team. But Dallas does this when they get a lead.
Speaker 1: It's very Buffalo. Buffalo's built to play with the lead
Speaker 1: they get, they play downhill. Then you don't know if
Speaker 1: they're running or throwing. Josh Allen on play action. So
Speaker 1: I don't feel differently. I think the Rams are a
Speaker 1: bit of fools. Gold and I sat on Friday on
Speaker 1: FS one. I thought this was going to be separation
Speaker 1: weekend between the Egal, you know, the pretenders and the
Speaker 1: playoff teams, and the Rams have been doing it. On coaching.
Speaker 1: They have one really good player in their prime. I
Speaker 1: mean they need I mean they have a really good
Speaker 1: punter out of the draft, a left guard, a receiver.
Speaker 1: They have to hit about four more home runs in
Speaker 1: next year's draft. They have about seventy million I think
Speaker 1: in cap space. Rams are not an elite team.
Speaker 2: Well, two things, Dallas's blowouts all look the same. Pick
Speaker 2: six's huge special teams plays. That game was over in
Speaker 2: the first quarter, which was kind of nice because there's
Speaker 2: a seventy five games going on this morning, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't really need to pay attention to this one. That
Speaker 2: thing was over so far as the other thing. You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes in college when Pac twelve teams in the non
Speaker 2: conference play a Midwest or an East Coast team and
Speaker 2: it's that nine am kickoff. Well, the Dallas, how often
Speaker 2: do they play because of their brand a home game
Speaker 2: at ten am Office Coast time, So pretty big disadvantage
Speaker 2: for the Rams. Obviously, I would imagine McVeigh in and
Speaker 2: out of the office throughout the middle of the week.
Speaker 2: But big picture for the Rams, why would you not
Speaker 2: entertain trading Aaron Donald He's thirty two years old. What
Speaker 2: would Belichick? Walsh? This is an opportunity. Mcveigh's grampa was
Speaker 2: part of that Niner team. Obviously, you know, he's one
Speaker 2: of I guess they've obviously had some great offensive players,
Speaker 2: you know, with the Kurt Warner teams, but the probably
Speaker 2: the best defensive player one of them, definitely of my lifetime.
Speaker 2: If you could get a first round obviously you get
Speaker 2: a first round pick, but a one and two twos,
Speaker 2: you need to reset the franchise. I think that hot
Speaker 2: has to be on the table. They're not going anywhere now.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Niners are in second place in that division.
Speaker 2: Seattle's clearly pretty. I see they're gonna be a playoff
Speaker 2: team again. Why not You're not even essentially blowing it
Speaker 2: up because you still have good offensive pieces. You're just
Speaker 2: getting more draft capital so you can pivot with a
Speaker 2: guy thirty two will be thirty three's great defensive players
Speaker 2: aren't usually humming at thirty five years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was dominant early in that game today,
Speaker 1: So I don't to me, I feel like with Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: because of his cost and his age, you get two twos.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe you get a first and.
Speaker 2: I think you could get a one just because of
Speaker 2: the bidding process. You know, it's like it's like a
Speaker 2: home if you're just bidding against yourself, you can kind
Speaker 2: of low ball once multiple people come in, and he's
Speaker 2: just two elite of a player at such a premium position.
Speaker 2: I think that it might start that way, but so
Speaker 2: many contenders would bid, like McCaffrey last year, the Rams
Speaker 2: had him for a two to three and a five,
Speaker 2: and then the ninersre like, we'll give you a two, three,
Speaker 2: a four, and a five, So it would just drive
Speaker 2: up the price. I do think you'd get a one,
Speaker 2: and maybe it would be a one and a two
Speaker 2: and a three in the fall. Who knows exactly how
Speaker 2: you structure. I do think you get a lot right
Speaker 2: now for a team that's going nowhere. He's clearly their
Speaker 2: only asset that they could trade and still net a
Speaker 2: lot back has to be on the table. And like
Speaker 2: you said with Dallas, you're just not gonna play the
Speaker 2: Eagles like this, which is who they're gonna try to beat.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to beat them in a real game
Speaker 2: right where you're not blocking field goals and punts and
Speaker 2: returning safety punts back for sixty yards. It's probably not
Speaker 2: gonna look like that. Can you just play them straight
Speaker 2: up and out coach him and not get penalties, and
Speaker 2: they've struggled in that situation. So this game, like the
Speaker 2: Giants game, like some of their just blow out games,
Speaker 2: to me, don't look like the real games that they're
Speaker 2: always so disappointed after they lose.
Speaker 1: So my take on San Francisco Cincinnati was that it's
Speaker 1: one thing if you're less successful than your brother and
Speaker 1: he lives cross town. But if he's your neighbor and
Speaker 1: you have you see the maserati in the driveway and
Speaker 1: the big house, it's kind of painful. He's your neighbor,
Speaker 1: right pretty on the same field with Burrow, You're like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, yeah, this is not good. I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, small hands, end of the game, strip ball
Speaker 1: comes out, that's the knock. That red zone interception you've
Speaker 1: never seen Lway throw a one of those. You've never
Speaker 1: seen mahomes, So one of those are Burrow. That's a
Speaker 1: really bad interception in the red zone. I like Brock.
Speaker 1: He can throw the ball down the field, had a
Speaker 1: couple of moves today, a couple of wiggles. I like him.
Speaker 1: He's a good athlete, good athlete, but when you put
Speaker 1: him on the field with Burrow. So Kyle's lost to
Speaker 1: Brady in a Super Bowl. His dad lost to some
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks in the Super Bowl, right, like everybody in
Speaker 1: the Shanahan family knows, you gotta have an l way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's lost to Mahomes in a Super Bowl with Garoppolo
Speaker 1: and they out coached and outplayed him for three quarters.
Speaker 1: What do you do with Brock Purty? Do you do?
Speaker 1: You keep him in house? I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: do here? You know, you know when you put him
Speaker 1: on a field with Burrow, it's not the same game.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's weird? In forty nine er Land?
Speaker 2: Up until what Saturday when he was cleared for concussion,
Speaker 2: it was looking like Sam Darnold was going to play,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people were just intrigued
Speaker 2: what was gonna look like? So I was right with
Speaker 2: Kyle this offense. I was, you were everyone was. I
Speaker 2: was really excited not disappointed when the guy cleared, because,
Speaker 2: like you said, he did play well up until he
Speaker 2: started turning the ball over left and right towards the
Speaker 2: end of the game. But this team is built and
Speaker 2: this is why Kyle's been able to do it with
Speaker 2: middle of the road Jimmy Garoppolo. Purty's been better than
Speaker 2: that version of Jimmy. But win at such a high
Speaker 2: rate is because their defense dominated. And today I looked
Speaker 2: up toward the end of the game, the Bengals head
Speaker 2: close to thirty first downs. They obviously they have an
Speaker 2: elite quarterback, wide receiver Duo Higgins is healthy, mixing looked
Speaker 2: like he was in his prime today running over forty
Speaker 2: nine ers. Their defense is not the same and they're
Speaker 2: not built. We've seen Kyle's record on these comebacks in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter down eight or more points. That's not
Speaker 2: how they've ever won. And so when you're getting sliced
Speaker 2: and diced and they've handled better quarterbacks and just kept
Speaker 2: the game close and won those games, they can't win
Speaker 2: a game where they are getting thoroughly outplayed. On me,
Speaker 2: missing tackles, getting run over. Burrow's gonna make plays now
Speaker 2: when he's playing like that, to me, that's like MVP level.
Speaker 2: He looked as good as he's ever looked, just in
Speaker 2: terms of physically, clearly, the calf is long gone. His
Speaker 2: rhythm and timing in that game just got better and
Speaker 2: better as the game went on. You were surprised when
Speaker 2: he missed a pass, But the forty nine ers just
Speaker 2: like last week against Kirk Cousins. If they're getting shredded
Speaker 2: on defense in the passing game and they can't get
Speaker 2: off the field, they're just not gonna win. And right
Speaker 2: now they're in shambles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I listen, it's in the early window. The
Speaker 1: best quarterback won every game. Late window. Mahomes is sick,
Speaker 1: so he loses. But you start looking at and Golf's
Speaker 1: gonna win tomorrow night. I mean, the best quarterback now
Speaker 1: once once the weather we have a big cold front
Speaker 1: hitting the Midwest and the East, our first bigie of
Speaker 1: the year going forward, best quarterbacks win games. Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. Now Kenny got hurt, but when you watch
Speaker 1: that game, it was three and out, three and out,
Speaker 1: three and out, three and out. You can blame Matt Canada,
Speaker 1: who's not great, but one guy was making big time throws.
Speaker 2: The Steelers are a Trevor Lawrence away from being a
Speaker 2: contender because you're watching that game, you're like, if you
Speaker 2: just flipped gave their quarterback to this team with that defense,
Speaker 2: Holy hell. And now who knows what Kenny Pikett's injury is.
Speaker 2: But regardless, like you said, the weather turns I mean
Speaker 2: you and me, it's eighty degrees out. It's not relatable
Speaker 2: on the West coast to once you get Midwest and
Speaker 2: over honestly, even Denver over right now, it's a different
Speaker 2: level football. I remember in scouting meetings, you know, when
Speaker 2: I did the Pac twelve, I'm like, well, from a
Speaker 2: quarterback standpoint, do you want this guy in Philly? Do
Speaker 2: you want this guy in Boston? Do you want it
Speaker 2: is so cold you live there forever. People that have
Speaker 2: not spent and lived out there can relate to the consistency.
Speaker 2: It's not always raining or a blizzard. It's just cold,
Speaker 2: harder to hold the ball. The weather can turn like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, for the most part in the West Coast,
Speaker 2: you kind of know when a rainstorm's coming or whatever.
Speaker 2: At a moment's notice, things can change, temperature can dip
Speaker 2: by twenty degrees, a rain can come. And I mean
Speaker 2: that New York game today was just a disaster too.
Speaker 2: I mean, one quarterback none of us have ever heard
Speaker 2: of against Zak Wilson, and it just it was hard
Speaker 2: to watch. But because it is, it's what made Brady
Speaker 2: so special, right, he was so elite in the cold
Speaker 2: and half his games probably of his career in New
Speaker 2: England came in inclement weather or just you know, forty
Speaker 2: degrees in below or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and so listen. Bad weather's bad for
Speaker 1: all quarterbacks, but elite guys can overcome it. I mean
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Today wasn't his best game ever. And I
Speaker 1: want to talk about Jacksonville and Pittsburgh because I said
Speaker 1: this in my preamble. Everybody in their room knows Jordan
Speaker 1: Love's not it in Green Bay. They're just not going
Speaker 1: to say it publicly. They're going to get out of
Speaker 1: that contract quick and draft a quarterback Kenny Picketts of Pittsburgh. Kid.
Speaker 1: He's better than Love. He makes just enough late game throws.
Speaker 1: He's got better receivers. They're going to talk themselves into
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett for six years and he's not going to
Speaker 1: do anything at the end of seasons. Smaller hands, doesn't
Speaker 1: have a big arm cold Weather City, but he's good
Speaker 1: enough that they'll keep him. Jordan Love is done. They're
Speaker 1: moving off him really quick. So today you ask most
Speaker 1: fans that I like where Pittsburgh is. You can't win
Speaker 1: conference championships with Kenny Pickett in the AFC Kenny Pickett
Speaker 1: in the NFC. With that defense, maybe you got a shot.
Speaker 1: So as I'm watching Pittsburgh today again, they do so
Speaker 1: many things. Well, they're just all on defense. I think
Speaker 1: we all struggle and I don't know if it's good
Speaker 1: for the league with Jacksonville, but man, they lead the
Speaker 1: league in takeaways. They have a star quarterback, the running back,
Speaker 1: the wide outs. Like I think Kansas City is not
Speaker 1: explosive enough a wide receiver. I think Jacksonville could very
Speaker 1: well play Baltimore or Cincinnati in the AFC Championship. I
Speaker 1: think beyond Mahomes flew today, I think Andy reading those
Speaker 1: guys know, like we don't have cap space, we're just
Speaker 1: not as explosive. I watch Jacksonville today in that crappy
Speaker 1: weather that was Pittsburgh weather, and I'm like, for them
Speaker 1: to go up and win felt so substantial to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we know Andy and Veitch. I would
Speaker 2: imagine they'll be sniffing around the next twenty four to
Speaker 2: thirty six hours for a wide receiver and trying to
Speaker 2: do something creative to get, you know, an offensive playmaker
Speaker 2: on that team. I'm completely with you. I mean, you
Speaker 2: turn on that game it's just ugly. Even how expensive
Speaker 2: these cameras are, it's still kind of hard to see.
Speaker 2: This is I don't know. And then Jacksonville had an
Speaker 2: early lead. You're like, these Florida teams, what's always been
Speaker 2: the knock on Miami, right, they can't win in forty
Speaker 2: degrees when it gets ugly. Jacksonville you kind of just
Speaker 2: in your mind a Florida team, and they were just
Speaker 2: the grittier, tougher team and they're good. I mean that's
Speaker 2: the other thing ETN think about that draft, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it went back to back NAUSEI Harris for
Speaker 2: ETM and in this modern day NFL spread player, you
Speaker 2: can throw them the ball in space. He's a great receiver.
Speaker 2: I mean, ETN is a modern day NFL kind of
Speaker 2: hybrid running back. He's not as good, but that Alvin
Speaker 2: Kamara mode. We just get him out in space, let
Speaker 2: him play with speed. He had a huge touchdown to day.
Speaker 2: To me, the Steelers their margin for error. TJ. Watt
Speaker 2: has to play. He's Lawrence Taylor. Every game they need
Speaker 2: one of their dbs to get a pick. The moment
Speaker 2: picket got banged up and I kind of relood him
Speaker 2: like is that Mitch Trubisky. You know they're screwed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got no chance. And listen, there's a big gap
Speaker 2: between Every backup in the league is a backup for
Speaker 2: a reason. But if your backup is just somewhat serviceable
Speaker 2: you can win a game, you have no chance when
Speaker 2: mister Bisky comes in the game. The other thing is,
Speaker 2: like you were talking about Kenny Pickett, thin about their division.
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Burrow's one of the great players of
Speaker 2: his generation. Lamar is one of the most unique star
Speaker 2: players we've ever seen. Those guys are both what just
Speaker 2: signed three hundred and fifty million dollars worth of contracts.
Speaker 2: Where are they going? They just entered their prime and
Speaker 2: their teams are kicking ass and taking names now. The
Speaker 2: Bengals are clearly heading in the right direction, and the Ravens,
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say, if you're placing a bet,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see what Kansas City does over these
Speaker 2: next two days. Are they the one seed? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's that's probably where I put my money right now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think Pittsburgh, you gotta be kicking yourself
Speaker 2: because you have so much talent. I mean, your defense
Speaker 2: is loaded with impact guy. Pickens is just a home run.
Speaker 2: I mean what a star wide receiver that guy is.
Speaker 2: Other impact players at skilled positions, but the quarterback play
Speaker 2: now really since big Ben, I mean that's I was
Speaker 2: watching the Saints today watching would be strong. I had
Speaker 2: him on one of the boxes and keep an eye
Speaker 2: because of Derek. They have absolutely no business to not
Speaker 2: win that division. Their team is by far the most
Speaker 2: talented they have. You know, they're paying Derek sixty seventy
Speaker 2: million dollars. He clearly, if he is just okay, is
Speaker 2: better than the Ritterers, the Bakers, and today you saw
Speaker 2: like their impact players. But again like they pay just
Speaker 2: to get. They just need Derek to be you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen to thirteen range and they're a ten win team.
Speaker 2: And that's really the Steelers mindset for drafting Kenny Pickett
Speaker 2: at twenty just to be a serviceable guy. And every
Speaker 2: once in a while you see it, like last week
Speaker 2: right when he made those plays against the but it
Speaker 2: was against the Rams. Now you're looking back to like
Speaker 2: how good really that was? And then you're watching them
Speaker 2: against a playoff team and you go, uugh, you weren't
Speaker 2: seeing it early before he got hurt, and now you go,
Speaker 2: this is probably the reason that you're not going to
Speaker 2: make the playoffs is because of your quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's call over to Philadelphia and Washington. So there
Speaker 1: was a play late in the game where Philadelphia looked
Speaker 1: like they were going to do the push push, and
Speaker 1: then they just worked the Washington staff and they came
Speaker 1: out of it. You knew it was eventually going to happen,
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, they're so clever. Philadelphia is remarkable.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is hurt. They have not played a complete game.
Speaker 1: They've had several good halfs. They've gotten bad breaks where
Speaker 1: they've often played a team that was awful loss and
Speaker 1: I look up and I'm like, they just keep when
Speaker 1: today they played very well. They were out played for
Speaker 1: three quarters, no question. I had Washington plus seven the
Speaker 1: whole game. I'm like, oh, I got the right side.
Speaker 1: I mean that they were complete and Washington played pretty well.
Speaker 1: Sam Hel's not it. Sam Hel's okay, but.
Speaker 2: You were a bad sam Hal pick away from covering
Speaker 2: that game. Though he do a bad.
Speaker 1: Pick, it was like brought pretty. It's like you can
Speaker 1: make some throws. He's not it, But I watched Phililadelphia.
Speaker 1: You know him, well, AJ Brown now has really, I
Speaker 1: mean AJ's taken over the receiving corp the tight ends, Jalen,
Speaker 1: if you told me today, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: Kansas City. I feel like I think we've seen the NFC.
Speaker 1: I think we see Philadelphia feels like they're not playing
Speaker 1: well and they're not only good. You notice how good
Speaker 1: they are late in situational football. They just Miami, I
Speaker 1: think was tied seventeen seventeen Washington. They are so good
Speaker 1: playing poorly late, they just flip it. And I look
Speaker 1: at them and I'm like, John, I feel like they've
Speaker 1: really pulled away from the NFC.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that AJ Brown has a chance to
Speaker 2: go down as one of the great NFL trades in
Speaker 2: the history of the league. You know. And I think
Speaker 2: Howie's career has been defined by aggression and making moves,
Speaker 2: and he was in position to make that trade be
Speaker 2: because he had made other trades that led them to
Speaker 2: have all these first round picks. And it really was
Speaker 2: a double whammie. They just didn't get a star wide receiver,
Speaker 2: but they got a star wide receiver who's like best
Speaker 2: friends with their quarterback and who has elevated that guy?
Speaker 2: Because Jalen today played much better, especially from a number standpoint,
Speaker 2: pushing the ball down the field. He's so comfortable throwing
Speaker 2: it to aj. And then when you look at defensively
Speaker 2: like you just said, situationally, why they're so good is
Speaker 2: because they have such high IQ football players who are
Speaker 2: elite players, right. I mean, look look at what Hassan
Speaker 2: Redick like right now. Oh God, the Niners just gave
Speaker 2: Nick Bosa all this money. If you just watch the
Speaker 2: two players, Reddicks a much better player right now than
Speaker 2: Nick Bosa. So their high end all pro, Pro Bowl
Speaker 2: level guys are playing to that level and come through
Speaker 2: in the biggest spots. Because Washington they're a bizarre franchise,
Speaker 2: right For over the last several years they have kind
Speaker 2: of been. They haven't sucked, and they can take down
Speaker 2: anyone in any random week. They definitely play the Eagles
Speaker 2: really well, but they're not good enough to make playoff
Speaker 2: runs or even really make the playoffs. They never draft
Speaker 2: high enough. Yet we're always talking about maybe should they
Speaker 2: fire their coach? And then you watch a player, you God,
Speaker 2: I like a lot of these pieces, but they're actually
Speaker 2: going nowhere, and you're like, God, this is kind of
Speaker 2: a waste of a franchise right now. And the Eagles,
Speaker 2: unlike last year, were they you know, a similar game
Speaker 2: that they lost today, It was right there, they easily
Speaker 2: could have lost. They just found a way. And it
Speaker 2: was really to me because aj Brown is on Reddick, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and those guys. That's a lot of money worth a player,
Speaker 2: And to me, this is all Howie Roseman, you look
Speaker 2: at uh in terms of just the talent on their team.
Speaker 2: They draft Jalen Carter, Well, why were they comfortable doing that?
Speaker 2: Because they were equipped on defense with high character, impact guys,
Speaker 2: especially in that unit. Right, you can take flyers on
Speaker 2: guys in the draft at certain positions when your position
Speaker 2: group in that given team is loaded with guys where
Speaker 2: he can't run the room. And Jalen Carter looks up
Speaker 2: to all these guys, I mean, they've gotten impact plays
Speaker 2: for him all season long, and yeah, I mean they
Speaker 2: just they're they're clearly, I mean, the Diners are falling apart,
Speaker 2: right and the Eagles feel like they've kind of got
Speaker 2: it together and obviously have a big game this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because Jared Goff's inability to move as
Speaker 1: a whole, There's no question. Yeah, Jalen Hurts can move,
Speaker 1: throw indoors, outdoors, home road. Hurts, I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: first of all, in tangibles a plus plus plus plus.
Speaker 1: But I sort of like his tangibles. I kind of
Speaker 1: like him as I you know, I said that Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson is so dynamic as a runner an electric that
Speaker 1: we just don't give him credit. From the prop pocket.
Speaker 1: He's pretty good a lot of the games. He's really special.
Speaker 1: I think with Jalen Hurts, because he was a runner
Speaker 1: in college, Bama moved off him. First impressions matter. Like
Speaker 1: when I watch him in the pocket, I think he's
Speaker 1: really good. I think he sees the field. I think
Speaker 1: he's daring. I think his arm it's not a plus arm,
Speaker 1: but it's a good arm. I think, you know, with
Speaker 1: Dak it's the intangibles, it's not the tangibles. With Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: I think his tangibles are better than I give him
Speaker 1: credit for.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a scouting director last week about Jalen.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, when you really look at his
Speaker 2: is just scattering report of him as a player. Currently
Speaker 2: in the NFL. He's not really an a at anything.
Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't have a speed, he doesn't have
Speaker 2: a arm strength, he's you know, he doesn't have a
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's capabilities to break tackles and throw seventy yards
Speaker 2: down the field. But he's basically a B plus or
Speaker 2: a minus and everything. And a lot of times you
Speaker 2: think about athletic quarterbacks, you know, like when Deshaun Watson
Speaker 2: was good several years ago for Houston or younger Russell Wilson,
Speaker 2: they kind of scramble to make the big play. Like
Speaker 2: the underrated part about Jalen. He's actually a very very
Speaker 2: consistent just moving the chains, like, he has no problem
Speaker 2: dumping it off to the right guy, making the right decision.
Speaker 2: He's not always looking to bomb it down the field.
Speaker 2: He's actually a very smart player in terms of his
Speaker 2: decision making. You know, a lot of his turnovers this year,
Speaker 2: it's not really his mo to throw the ball at
Speaker 2: the other because he doesn't really take chances beside on
Speaker 2: the go route where his guys typically win, and he's
Speaker 2: more likely to just keep the drives going. It's why
Speaker 2: a lot of these games that they've been in, they've
Speaker 2: ended up pulling out this year and haven't lost because
Speaker 2: he doesn't do dramatically dumb stuff that sometimes a super
Speaker 2: athletic playmaking quarterback can just lean into. Right and Jalen,
Speaker 2: I think this gets back to Nick Saban kind of
Speaker 2: that wiring the way to play making the right decision
Speaker 2: even if it is a dump off to a tight
Speaker 2: end or running back. And the Eagles have really good
Speaker 2: tight ends and running backs, right, So you're right. I mean,
Speaker 2: if they get going, you know, they got a new
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator talent wise, because to me, the Niners, their
Speaker 2: impact players don't look as good. They're not playing at
Speaker 2: their level. Where you watch the Eagles, their impact guys
Speaker 2: are playing at that level. And we know how much
Speaker 2: depth they always out held. I mean they just traded
Speaker 2: for a former All Pro safety just to add to
Speaker 2: the team last week. Yeah, who's a high character team
Speaker 2: captain level guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So between my preamble and this we've done NFL,
Speaker 1: I want to spend some time on college football because
Speaker 1: I saw Oregon live for the second time, and I
Speaker 1: was three rows back in Washington. I saw end zone
Speaker 1: and forty yard line here, I was three ye rows away.
Speaker 1: Really communicated verbal team Knicks landing the head coach. Michigan,
Speaker 1: to me, is the best football team I've seen. Texas
Speaker 1: is the most physically impressive team I've seen. With Georgia,
Speaker 1: I think this is the best Oregon team I've seen.
Speaker 1: So I watched bow Nicks. First of all, Oregon had
Speaker 1: a fumble. It's the first of the year. Nix throws
Speaker 1: to the right person every single time. Now, whether that's
Speaker 1: coaching or him. Is I if you told me the
Speaker 1: four teams I would put in today, because I do
Speaker 1: think Texas will beat Oklahoma if they play again, and
Speaker 1: Oregon will beat Washington if they play again. Michigan, Georgia, Texas,
Speaker 1: Oregon feels like my four today.
Speaker 2: Washington hasn't looked as good since that.
Speaker 1: Oregan no mean and Oregon. Oregon is good on the perimeter,
Speaker 1: really good in the interior. Washington does not have. And
Speaker 1: you're seeing this. You can run at Washington and they
Speaker 1: don't run. They're not particularly gifted guard center guard on
Speaker 1: their own line. They have good tackles, and they're not
Speaker 1: great in their interior. Oregon could use another receiver, one
Speaker 1: of Washington's four that I like, But Washington could use
Speaker 1: about three of Oregon's defensive players in the D line.
Speaker 1: Oregon's big, But the four teams I've seen that, I go,
Speaker 1: that's different. Michigan, Texas will beat Oklahoma again. By the way,
Speaker 1: that Kansas upset was not a huge shock or Kansas
Speaker 1: is really a dangerous team.
Speaker 2: Now, coach is good, really good.
Speaker 1: If you can win at Kansas, you're really good. But
Speaker 1: I watched the Oregon again, John, and they went into
Speaker 1: Utah and that thing was I mean, that first drive
Speaker 1: was just boom boom boom, touchdown. Crowd went silent. It
Speaker 1: was in Utah. You don't go into Utah much and
Speaker 1: physically push around Utah. Oregon did.
Speaker 2: Would you say that game was over basically by the
Speaker 2: end of the first quarter. I mean, you never want
Speaker 2: to count Utah out, but it.
Speaker 1: Was just crowd was and I was sitting among the
Speaker 1: crowd and you could people I was sitting next to.
Speaker 1: It was like whoa, Like it was kind of a
Speaker 1: reality check. They played USC, Utah came down to earth.
Speaker 1: Oregon's just really impressive.
Speaker 2: What was part of the reason we were kind of
Speaker 2: shitting on USC last week is this quarterback's not any
Speaker 2: good and Oregon made him look like, you know, a
Speaker 2: third string pig farmer. Yeah right, I mean right, they
Speaker 2: had no chance. I'm with you. I think Washington. I
Speaker 2: watched a lot of the Washington Stanford game. They got
Speaker 2: very lucky. I mean a kid dropped a pass late. Yep,
Speaker 2: Washington does not. Obviously they threw the kitchen sink won
Speaker 2: that game at home. I think it's fair to say
Speaker 2: from a gambling standpoint, Oregon will be favored in that significantly.
Speaker 2: To me, Michigan, I just wonder, is that how weird
Speaker 2: this thing is going to get the conversation because their
Speaker 2: team clearly if the scandal wasn't going on about this
Speaker 2: guy sending people to all these other games. I mean,
Speaker 2: every day a new story's coming out that they fed
Speaker 2: South Carolina. You know, just is anyone going to get
Speaker 2: in trouble during the season beside them getting rid of
Speaker 2: this guy. That's not really how the NCAA works, But
Speaker 2: they're clearly the best. Hard for me to trust Texas
Speaker 2: that that would be my thing because if you just
Speaker 2: told me that Urban Meyer, Nick Saban or whoever was
Speaker 2: the coach of that roster, you might pick them to
Speaker 2: win the national championship, right, But you know, Stark just
Speaker 2: hasn't proven it. I mean, it's just so even that
Speaker 2: Oklahoma game, which Oklahoma might be a little fools goal,
Speaker 2: they could have lost two weeks ago to UCF. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were kind of getting worked in that game against Kansas.
Speaker 2: The other thing is to me, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: Oregon State lost Oregon's direction. Now to win this conference
Speaker 2: and be right there you said it. I think after
Speaker 2: the Washington game, do you trust bow Knicks? They put
Speaker 2: a stat right when that game started, And a lot
Speaker 2: of this is that COVID year, every player got an
Speaker 2: extra season. No no players ever started and played in
Speaker 2: as many college games as bow Knicks. So we often
Speaker 2: said this forever about BYU. They always had like twenty
Speaker 2: three twenty four year olds. They do have a big
Speaker 2: advantage just in terms of the reps this kid had
Speaker 2: in the SEC, in the tough part of the conference,
Speaker 2: right in that division, and now two straight years in
Speaker 2: Oregon every game is mattered. That is a huge plus.
Speaker 2: But as a player, if they get in a tight game,
Speaker 2: can he consistently make the throws against the Texas, against
Speaker 2: the Georgia, against the Michigan That would be my only question.
Speaker 2: Why they couldn't win the national championship, and I.
Speaker 1: Think the answer is yes. So I've watched him play
Speaker 1: in Seattle in Utah not for a second, and either
Speaker 1: game was he rattled and he played from behind in Seattle. Decisive, accurate.
Speaker 1: He's Derek Carr, but I think a more natural thrower.
Speaker 1: It's a really easy effort for him. Now it could
Speaker 1: be coaches, but he throws to the right person every time.
Speaker 1: Oregon makes no mistakes, very few penalties, no fumbles, no interceptions.
Speaker 1: So I think Bone Knicks to me, is not a
Speaker 1: guy that is and we see this in pro football
Speaker 1: where he's playing. He plays great with a run game
Speaker 1: and a head. When I watched him in Seattle, my
Speaker 1: takeaway is Michael Pennix is a better NFL prospect. Bonix
Speaker 1: is a really elite college quarterback with a ton of experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree. I know people were torn
Speaker 2: on him last year and a lot has to do.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's fascinating about scouting now? He is
Speaker 2: talking to these guys. You talk to the former staff
Speaker 2: at a school and usually sometimes it ends negatively. Sometimes
Speaker 2: they got fired because the guy transferred to whatever. And
Speaker 2: then he goes to a new place and then everyone
Speaker 2: loves him. It's really hard. Now this guy doesn't have
Speaker 2: any character concerns or whatever, but just really trying to
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of a player with all this movement.
Speaker 2: I know for the scouts out there can be difficult
Speaker 2: to just truly gauge the right up on the individual
Speaker 2: because you have so many people with so many different opinions,
Speaker 2: these guys playing multiple Power five schools. You get one
Speaker 2: negative thing, one positive thing. And he's a fascinating case
Speaker 2: study because I would say most people in the SEC
Speaker 2: got very underwhelming, not very good player, and you look
Speaker 2: back and you go, well, was kind of a disaster. Yes,
Speaker 2: Brian Harson got run out of town, so actually it
Speaker 2: might have had little to do with him. It might
Speaker 2: have been all on the program, right, So that's kind
Speaker 2: of what you have to balance because this couldn't have
Speaker 2: gone much better over these last couple of years for him.
Speaker 2: He went from being to me, not an NFL player
Speaker 2: at all to a guy who's going to be talked
Speaker 2: about as like a top fifty prospect headed into this draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's Caleb is still I mean,
Speaker 1: USC has got lots of problems. Caleb's going one a lot, yeah,
Speaker 1: Drake May's probably going two or three. Harrison may go too,
Speaker 1: depending on who drafts. And then I think Penix feels
Speaker 1: like the third. I saw Penix play bone Knicks. Now
Speaker 1: Penix has better receivers, but it was hard not to
Speaker 1: be impressed. Lanky, lefty, accurate, lot of physical courage, sits
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Post, accuracy on the deep balls, beauty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think bone Nicks then falls into a
Speaker 1: group late first round because this is also a great
Speaker 1: offensive tackle class, very good receiver class, excellent DN class,
Speaker 1: excellent corner class. So I think bon Nicks is going
Speaker 1: to be in that or of somewhere between twenty. Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who had just missed the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You know, it would it would be kind of like
Speaker 1: a Minnesota would move up six spots or something to
Speaker 1: get a bow Nix. He's got a little Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: Although again having watched them twice on the road, it matters.
Speaker 1: You know, at Austin everything's easy. You go to Utah
Speaker 1: and we'll Seattle.
Speaker 2: He look good, I mean more gifted. Brock Purty right
Speaker 2: a little bit whoa way better thrower, but I'm just
Speaker 2: saying about a guy that a lot of college starts
Speaker 2: who just gonna be aero trending up obviously quarterback inflation.
Speaker 2: I know your Trojans, though you probably didn't have on
Speaker 2: your Bingo card fifty to forty nine well memorials.
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at USC, they're not great defensively,
Speaker 1: They're not Michigan Texas. They're not a top eight defensive team.
Speaker 1: They're not this bad. You've seen this in your life.
Speaker 1: A coordinator can make Matt Ryan an MVP. A defensive
Speaker 1: co ordinator Dan Quinn changes everything like you give them
Speaker 1: the right defensive staff, they're okay. But Alex grinch is,
Speaker 1: you know, and this happens. He's just not a coord
Speaker 1: and forget head coach. He's not a coordinator, he's a
Speaker 1: position coach who at Washington State. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of times guys can work at smaller schools because you
Speaker 1: know the athletes they work, They work well with non
Speaker 1: star athletes. Washington State guy Brady Hoke is great coaching
Speaker 1: down at a smaller school. You bring him with four
Speaker 1: and five star guys. At Michigan, they don't buy Brady Hoke.
Speaker 1: They don't buy his right. Alex Grinch with like La kids,
Speaker 1: they just don't buy him. He comes across is He's
Speaker 1: not a very he's not alpha, he's not defiant. He
Speaker 1: looks at times on the sidelines. I mean, you'll see
Speaker 1: these moments with him. He just doesn't even look like
Speaker 1: an elite coach, like Clay Hilton with his mouth open
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. You're like, this guy is not a
Speaker 1: head coach at US. And I think with Alex Grinch,
Speaker 1: he's the classic coach who works well at a smaller school.
Speaker 1: But you put stars around him, it doesn't work. They're
Speaker 1: getting worse every weekend.
Speaker 2: But this is one of the benefits to coaching at
Speaker 2: a place like USC. Look at Ryan Day last couple
Speaker 2: of years, defense fall off. You have an unlimited budget,
Speaker 2: Go find the guy that you want, pay him one
Speaker 2: and a half million dollars and your defense immediately improves.
Speaker 2: When you're at USC, when you're at Alabama, when you're
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, you can have the pick of the
Speaker 2: litter because of the amount of money that you can
Speaker 2: pay a coordinator. Now, this gets back to what I've
Speaker 2: said about Lincoln Forever. The Mike Leach kind of philosophical beliefs.
Speaker 2: Is how he's wired. Does he know who to pick
Speaker 2: as a defensive coordinator, because let's face it, what was
Speaker 2: the connection to this guy? Obviously Leech had had him
Speaker 2: at Washington State and that I'm sure that was a
Speaker 2: connection where he started following this guy's career and knowing
Speaker 2: about him. So it's not you know, Satan, his pick
Speaker 2: of the litter is NFL College, the whole umbrella. He's
Speaker 2: just going after the cream of the crop, whoever he
Speaker 2: thinks the best, and he can get what he got
Speaker 2: denied by Dubor's guy last year. But that's who he wanted, right,
Speaker 2: he just wouldn't take the job. Don't totally blame him
Speaker 2: to stay with Pennix, but that's who he went after. Is
Speaker 2: Lincoln truly going after the guy that everyone else would want,
Speaker 2: or is he going after a guy Maybe there's a
Speaker 2: connection through this air raid. Flip knows him and that
Speaker 2: that's what gets nervous because the only way to win
Speaker 2: at the highest level. Think about some of Pete's early staffs, right,
Speaker 2: Norm Chow, Sar Klaane, some of the guys he's the
Speaker 2: defensive guy, him and Kenny Norton, could recruit and handle that, right,
Speaker 2: But his offensive staff was full of all these innovative
Speaker 2: young guys with some older guys NFL experience. That's when
Speaker 2: And obviously the talent on the field spoke for itself.
Speaker 2: But the coaching in that meeting room in like four
Speaker 2: oh five and six was I mean, just anyone listening
Speaker 2: to go back and google some of those staffs and
Speaker 2: you look at Lincoln's you know, defensive staff, You're like,
Speaker 2: does he have the capability to find whoever his you know,
Speaker 2: equivalent of a Demico Ryan or whatever in college? I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think that's going to be the biggest
Speaker 2: question mark by far. Because Caleb leaves, Lincoln's proven he
Speaker 2: can find quarterbacks. This is the least of his worries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you make a really good point, is
Speaker 1: right now, he has been a connection coach, right and
Speaker 1: by the way, who follow him? Who didn't Some of
Speaker 1: the coaches that didn't follow him, you know, we're veteran people.
Speaker 1: That not that they didn't like him, but it tells you,
Speaker 1: you know, when you leave a place, who follows you
Speaker 1: and who doesn't. So it's just a really bad grnches
Speaker 1: over his head. It's a really bad defensive staff. Dante
Speaker 1: Williams in the secondary is a recruiter. Nobody thinks he's
Speaker 1: a great coach. He's a great recruiter. By the way,
Speaker 1: every college staff in the country has a guy that
Speaker 1: can recruit who's not a great what you would call
Speaker 1: schematic coach. So they got some issues. I think they
Speaker 1: can solve a lot with a better DC. I don't
Speaker 1: think the d personnel's this awful, but we'll see. Okay, Chargers, Bears,
Speaker 1: it's going to be awful. Chargers, Brandon Staley should be
Speaker 1: able to win this thing. Cross our fingers on this.
Speaker 2: John, think you think, you think, have a good week.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. The volume