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Speaker 1: From House toff works dot Com. I would say, hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast, but I'm not going to yet

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Speaker 1: because this is add on to what you're about to hear. Right, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: let's be quiet because we don't want our our normal

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Speaker 1: selves to hear us. Oh gotcha? I wonder why we

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Speaker 1: were talking about that. Do you understand now, Chuck? Did

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Speaker 1: you know what this is? Do you know why we're doing?

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Speaker 1: What is? It is pretty freaking exciting, what Josh, we

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Speaker 1: Remember four zero zero? That's huge. There should be some

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Speaker 1: sort of fancaire. I hope there was just now I

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Speaker 1: think so there are four episodes of stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: That's a big deal to did I can't even like

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Speaker 1: I can't even just melt my brain now, I can't

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Speaker 1: don't even remember some of them, Like what we did

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Speaker 1: that we talked about that? I'm with you crazy. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's hope we can do another four shows exactly.

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Speaker 1: Here's two years four more. Congratulations Buddy, right back, and Jerry,

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Speaker 1: thank you. You've been here since day one, aside from

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Speaker 1: a few guest episodes where you're lazy, Jerry, congratulations to you.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much been Jerry the whole time. Um, what what

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Speaker 1: it would be crud? Yeah. Um well, thank you, dear

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Speaker 1: listener for listening to all four hundred. You know some

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Speaker 1: would have done four shows. Yea. And yeah, those of

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Speaker 1: you who have listened to one or two or just

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Speaker 1: discovered us or whatever, this is your one. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Dullhouse. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: With me is Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and that makes

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Speaker 1: this stuff you should know, dead and rowdy. I just

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Speaker 1: was an actual one. No, I thought you did that well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I was doing in response to your face. You

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Speaker 1: doing it on my behalf of exactly. Okank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I feel so cared for so chuckers. Yes, Um, this

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Speaker 1: is a little kind of a boo podcast. This this

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Speaker 1: has got to complete our suite on death. You would

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Speaker 1: think so, but it doesn't. No. No, we still have

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Speaker 1: how dying works left. Um, we still have um, what

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Speaker 1: nails after that. So, um, we're getting closer that we're

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Speaker 1: creating a larger body of work. Um, and this one,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a big one. You predicted. I

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Speaker 1: Fulton County Deputy Medical Examiner, who knows what he's talking about. Hey,

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Speaker 1: to get into. Yeah, your chest is raised up. Yep. Okay,

423
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: So um, Dr Bryant, would you like to make the

424
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: first decision? Sure, Josh, I'm gonna take that scalpel or

425
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: that kitchen knife, but probably the a scalpel initially, although

426
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: they use all sorts of stuff. We'll find out, uh,

427
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: and I will make a large and deep, y shaped

428
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: decision and incision from shoulder to shoulder, meat at the

429
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: breast bone, and then down to the pubic bone. So

430
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: you've got a big wine in your chest. You fold

431
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: that front flap up over the face, and I guess

432
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: the other ones just fold over to the side. Well,

433
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that easy. You have to kind

434
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: of pull it back and dissect with the scalpel the

435
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: connective tissue as you pull back. But then yes, that

436
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: that V shaped chest flap goes back over the face

437
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: and then what uh the next step you're um, right

438
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: now you've got the rib cage and neck muscles all exposed.

439
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: Also probably pulled open the stomach flaps too. Yeah, the

440
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: figure those are just off to the side because you

441
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: you know where else are they gonna go? Um, the

442
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: organs are exposed. At this point, You're gonna make a

443
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: series of cuts. You're gonna detach. Your goal here is

444
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: to get the organs out in a big unit it

445
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: and to wait, wait, you didn't take the rib cage

446
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: off yet. Oh I didn't. I'm sorry. You're gonna You're

447
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: gonna cut the rib cage off using everything from pruning

448
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: shears that you would use in your backyard, the special

449
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: rib cage cutters what it was called rib cutters, of

450
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: course they are. Yeah, uh so okay, now the ribs gone,

451
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: your organs are exposed. You're gonna make cuts that detach

452
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: the larynx, esophagus, arteries, and ligaments. Then you're going to

453
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: detach it from the spinal cord. Then you're gonna detach

454
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: everything from the bladder and the rectum. And then after that,

455
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: your whole organ set is able to be lifted out

456
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: as one whole, as one whole unit. Pretty cool, Pretty cool.

457
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: So um, now it's kind of time to get busy

458
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: on the organs. You want to take slices of them.

459
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: Want to weigh him first though, Oh yeah, you want

460
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: to weigh You want to note their appearance, character color, yeah,

461
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: if they're funny. Um, And then you're gonna to take

462
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: some slices uh thin enough to be um viewed under

463
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: a microscope, right, because that's part of this too. It's

464
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: not all fun in games like you have to look

465
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: into microscopes and stuff like that. Um. And then also

466
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: the star probably is the stomach. You're gonna cut the

467
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: stomach open and examine the gastric contents because that will

468
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: tell you something about the time of death. It will

469
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: see or costs of death. Maybe possibly there's a there's

470
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: a small watch in your stomach, right, they maybe swallowed

471
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: it and choked or something like that. Yeah, you never know. Uh.

472
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: And also they're probably going to examine the heart for

473
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: cardiac bands. Um. They're gonna bisect major arteries to see

474
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: if there's any kind of blockage. Maybe it was a

475
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: heart attack, maybe there's some sort of poison, who knows.

476
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: But basically they're just gonna go through all of your

477
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: internal organs one by one. Uh. So you've got the

478
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: chest cavity cut open, but the heads just sit in

479
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: there like what are you gonna do? What are you

480
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna do? Now, Well, he's gotta flap a face over

481
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: the skin, skin over the face, I am. So the

482
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: body would say, hey, what's up with my brain? And

483
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: then the the examiner will say, hold tight, I'm getting

484
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: right to that, sir. And then you're going to use

485
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: that scalpel to make incisions um from behind one ear,

486
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: across the forehead to the other ear, all the way

487
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: around like a candleoup, let's say, or let's say a grapefruit.

488
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: That's what you typically split into and uh, you divide

489
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: that cut as well, so it's uh you have two

490
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: separate flaps, one going over the face again, yeah, and

491
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: then fold that rear flap back over the neck. And

492
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: then you've got an exposed skull. And they use a

493
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: special kind of stall called the striker saw um, which

494
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: is capable of cutting through the skull but doesn't pierce

495
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: the brain. It's pretty cool. Yeah, Is that what they

496
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: use when they take casts off? Probably is? Isn't that

497
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: same deal? We'll cut through your cast, but not through

498
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: your skin, I would imagine. I mean it looks like this.

499
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a cast? I have it, But yeah,

500
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: I bet you that's may not be the exact same thing, though,

501
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: um blow at any rate. They use that. And then

502
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: they use a claude hammer, not the kind of you

503
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a hammer or at the bottom

504
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: of a handle there's a claw. They use that to

505
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: pride the cap of the skull off. Right. If you

506
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: once you get the skull cap off. If you look

507
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: inside of it, you're going to see that the dura,

508
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: which connects the brain to the skull, and by the way,

509
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: which shrinks when you have a hangover UM, is stuck

510
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: to the inside of the skull cap. Right, So if

511
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: a shrunken they could determine if he was hung over

512
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: when he died, they could UM. They'll also cut away

513
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: the tentorium, which connects the um, UH, the cerebellum, and

514
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: the occipital lobes right, and all of a sudden, voila,

515
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: you have an exposed brain where once you detach it

516
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: from the UH spinal cord, you are absolutely ready for

517
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: it to just be lifted right out of the skull.

518
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: And again, this whole time you're taking notes on your

519
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: little voice recorder or you're telling Rusty the deaner to

520
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: write that down. And so it's not just UM, you're

521
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: not just taking all this stuff out willingly. You're you're observing,

522
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: noting anything you see, UM. And then what do you do.

523
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: You're done. It's been four hours. You did a really

524
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: detailed examination inside and out, and you have this body

525
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: that's just all kinds of messed up. Now, But the

526
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: families like, we've got a funeral tomorrow. We can't do this.

527
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: We shouldn't even be here seeing this. Put uncle ted

528
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: back together, and the the corner or the medical example,

529
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: and will say, just chill out. Way of procedures for this.

530
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: So the internal organs either go back into the chess

531
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: cavity or the abdomen. Why would they do that really

532
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: of just purposes? Oh really? Yeah, interesting, I didn't think

533
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: about that. Or more typically they're incinerated, or in the

534
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: case of really horrible medical examiners, they're fed to their dogs,

535
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: right yeah, or or the bodily fluids are pumped back

536
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: into the body because their draining system is clogged up. Yeah.

537
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: In Massachusetts State Medical Examiner's office, Um, the chest flaps

538
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: are closed and so back together, the skull caps placed

539
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: back on and then held in place by sewing the

540
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: scalp back. And any decent corners should make their incisions

541
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: along the hairline or at least in well enough precise

542
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: enough that um, it should be discreete once sewn back together.

543
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: And you're doing this with a hagadorn needle, which is uh,

544
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: apparently when you're sowing human skin, he can't just use

545
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: an ordinary sewing needle and you gotta go Jamee Gum

546
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: style and get this beefy skin needle. M what nice.

547
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: It's just great all over the place. Thank you. Um. So,

548
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: like I said, it takes four hours by Dr Kesel's estimate.

549
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: I love that he said that includes paperwork. Yeah. Well,

550
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like the initial examination, then writing

551
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: it up and all that. He said for a homicide

552
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: it could take four to six hours. Um. And what's

553
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: what's behind? I guess probably the lengthier ones are examining

554
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: the wounds because you can't just say, well, here are

555
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: the bullet holes. So this guy, you know, died from

556
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: being shot. What do you want from me? Shut up?

557
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a corner. Um. Today you have to

558
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: trace the path of each bullet hole and show where

559
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: it went from entrance to exeter, from entrance to where

560
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: it stopped. Yeah. And and in the case of any

561
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: sort of police action, and especially I mean if there's

562
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: any sort of a shootout with like three or four

563
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: guys and like ten cops in there's people end up

564
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: dead all over the place. It's a bad day for

565
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: a corner. It's a bad day for a corner, because

566
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: you got to determine, he said. Uh. Keisel said that

567
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: you know what they want to know very specifically, especially

568
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: in the case of police shootings, is all right, this

569
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: bullet in this guy's shoulder, where did who's gun did

570
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: it come from? And this other bullet in his chest?

571
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Whose bullet did that come from? And see that guy,

572
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: He's got five different kinds of bullets from these twelve cops,

573
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: and we we need to know where each of them

574
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: came from. He gets really convoluted, right, and same with

575
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: um blunt force trauma. Uh. They he has to determine,

576
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: not just like well, something really heavy killed this person,

577
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: has to be this thing is probably what killed this person, right,

578
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: because say that they police find a bloody hammer at

579
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: the scene, but the medical examiner says it was a

580
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: hockey stick likely that killed this person. That's not going

581
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: to help in the prosecution or vice versa. You don't

582
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: want somebody, you know, who has their prints on a

583
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: hammer that the cops are trying to use against them

584
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: to be used wrongly when it was actually that hockey

585
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: stick that killed that person. True, that poor poor person.

586
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: And while you can get some schooling for this stuff,

587
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: I think I think it said a year extra h

588
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: A lot of it is just experience seeing the stuff like, hey,

589
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: I've seen that before. That's definitely a hockey stick. Yeah,

590
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: you can go from Rusty the deaner to Rusty the

591
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: medical examiner, well, Rusty the coroner um or Rusty the

592
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: medical examiner without having to go to med school. Like

593
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: the head of the um Washington d c Emmy's office

594
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: is not a physician. That's crazy or not a forensic

595
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: he's not a forensic pathologist. I'm sorry. I don't want

596
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: to sound like I'm disrespecting corners. I'm sure a lot

597
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: of them do great work, so h I hope it

598
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like we're slagging corners in the whole Hornet's

599
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: nest man. It is. It's a big thing going on

600
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: right now. So these are You know, if the cops

601
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: UH or the police department is doing some kind of investigation,

602
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: you can get a private autopsy if Uncle Ted dies

603
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: seemingly naturally, but we just want to know what killed him.

604
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: Was it his artery blockage or was it his awful

605
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: liver because he was a raging alcoholic, Like we just

606
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: want to know. You can hire it out and uh

607
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: who wrote this? Was it the grabstor now Robert Valdez

608
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: Valdez und I saw thirty five and up. Yeah, so

609
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: you spend a little change on that, you are, Um,

610
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: and it's especially frustrating if you're doing a secondary Um oh,

611
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: I bet basically getting a second opinion via autopsy because

612
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: you don't think the first one worked. How do you

613
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: do that? Like everything's already been prodded and yeah, it's

614
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: gonna be incomplete. But um, apparently there's this guy in

615
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: New Orleans under the main coroner who's like whose work

616
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: is routinely followed up by second autopsies, and apparently his

617
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: are easier because um the secondary autopsy. The secondary medical examiners,

618
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: um say, like he just like half autopsies. Some people though,

619
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: surprising cage and corner Yeah wow yeah, uh so, Josh,

620
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: we mentioned a couple of tools like the haggard or

621
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: needle and the bone saw. Uh they use something called

622
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: in and taratone. I look these up there. The scissors

623
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: used to open intestines. It's sort of like one one

624
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: side of the scissor is longer than the other and

625
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: it has a little little hook type thing on that end.

626
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: It looked baffling to me, but apparently that's what you need. Um,

627
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: you talked about the hammer with a hook and the

628
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: rip cutter scalpel obviously regular old scissors. Gotta have a

629
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 1: skull chisel if you want to pry that that skull open,

630
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: or that hammer with the hook, hammer with a hook

631
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: forceps too, forceps to pick up the heavier organs. And uh,

632
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Keisel goes on to elaborate a little bit and say,

633
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Speaker 1: you know what, You put the words medical examine or

634
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: knife in front of it, and you're gonna be paying

635
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: triple buddy. Here's a little hit from your own from

636
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: your uncle Kiesel. You go to the hardware store and

637
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: you get yourself a hack saw or some pruning shears,

638
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: or you go to the restaurant supply store and get

639
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: a nice cheap chef's NiFe, and you're good to go.

640
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: Because again, they don't really have to worry about the

641
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: person coming out of the procedure. On the other end,

642
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: alive still is the big challenge for physicians, and not

643
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: to say they do a hack job, but they don't

644
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: have to worry about the precision obviously of a surgeon. Right, So, um,

645
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guessing involved in this, Like if

646
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: you think about it, the ladder with ice next to

647
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: the frozen body with head trauma, um that it's a

648
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: suggestion that that's how that guy died, or the melted

649
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: puddle with the old riddle, Yeah, that's a great one. Um,

650
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: these are all guesses, ultimately, is Dr Keisel puts it, like,

651
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: you have to have somebody videotaped dying next to the

652
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: time at clock to ever establish a certain time of death.

653
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: And even as our understanding of death as a process

654
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Speaker 1: rather than as a moment um increases, even that wouldn't

655
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: necessarily give you anything. So basically they're they're trying to

656
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Speaker 1: um make an educated guess at the manner of death.

657
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: But also the time of death is a big one.

658
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: And we mentioned um, gastric contents, stomach contents. Why would

659
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Speaker 1: those be important? Well, because if there's a cheeseburger that

660
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: still looks like a cheeseburger, and that means you died

661
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: within the amount of time it takes for that cheeseburger

662
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: to become kind nice, it's still bullus. But let's say

663
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Speaker 1: that you found also in that person's apartment receipt from

664
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Speaker 1: McDonald's that had the time stamp on the Put that together,

665
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna get an even clear time of death. And

666
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Speaker 1: they work under something called the time of death certainty principle,

667
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: which is um, the laughing stock of principles. Well, it's

668
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: it's about as simple as it gets. If you know

669
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Speaker 1: for sure when the person was us known to be alive,

670
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: Say he was in the bar and he left, I

671
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: saw him, he was loaded. Uh, and then you know

672
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: for sure when he was found dead. A found him

673
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: at ten thirty frozen, well maybe not frozen yet, but

674
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Speaker 1: in the back alley he was dead as a stump.

675
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: Then you know for sure that he died sometime between.

676
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: And then they try to narrow it down from there.

677
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: That's the time of death certainty principle. That really makes sense. Yeah. Um,

678
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: and there's we've talked before about Rigor Morris. We made

679
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: an excellent podcast on Rigor Mortris. We've talked about um

680
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: lividity um from the Body Farm podcast. UM, the vitreous humor,

681
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: that corny is getting cloudy, that happens after death. Um.

682
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: And then again the gastric contents, bot flies, all that stuff,

683
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: full bladder bottle flies not bot flies, full bladder. I

684
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: never really thought about that. That makes sense. So if

685
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: you have like full bladder of urine or a lot

686
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: of poop near your w rectum ready to come out,

687
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know what that tells you. Besides, stand back,

688
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: they didn't be they didn't be your boot before they died.

689
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: But I'm sure it could help an investigation. Um. And

690
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: then also they'll use some kind of non scientific ones,

691
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: like you know, if somebody's possibly been dead for a

692
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: few days, you know what day is their TV guide

693
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Speaker 1: sitting next to them open to That makes sense, It

694
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Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Is it on NBC? Did

695
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Speaker 1: they have dirty rock highlighted in their TV guide? Quite possibly?

696
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: They died laughing. So have we got uh, well, we

697
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: should mention that a lot of those variables that happened

698
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Speaker 1: to the body, they can they can change according to

699
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Speaker 1: like how hot or cold it is, and what other

700
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Speaker 1: chemicals you might have had in your blood stream. So

701
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: it's not super se hide that's gonna that's gonna delay

702
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: the onset of these things. Um, you got anything else? Well,

703
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: I mean I guess we could follow up a little

704
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: bit more on that article. Um, apparently just the system

705
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: in the United States is sort of a big mess

706
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: right now as a whole. And they you know, you

707
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: told a couple of the stories. Um but Tim Brown

708
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: a construction manager in Marlborough County, South Carolina. It's a

709
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand all your part time job to be the

710
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: county corner. And I'm sure he does a find job

711
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: and hopefully there's not a lot of mouth peasants going

712
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: on there, you know, where he's not investigating like these

713
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: big homicides. But um, but the well, the problem is is,

714
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, if he is investigating a homicide, the state

715
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: will generally provide a medical examiner to carry out an autopsy.

716
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be like, well, you're the coroner. Sorry,

717
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: here's a scalpel. They'll they'll say, you can send this

718
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: body to the state medical examiner and they'll give you

719
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: an idea of you know, what you're looking at. But

720
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Speaker 1: it's also up to the coroner to decide whether or

721
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Speaker 1: not an autopsy should be performed. Oh it is, yeah, Okay,

722
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: the cops can't call for it. I'm sure other people can,

723
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Speaker 1: but I think ultimately it's the corner ner who is

724
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Speaker 1: able to decide or rule on that right, And we

725
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: did mention that not all doctors have even passed the test.

726
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: I think MPR found that a hundred and five throughout

727
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: the country have not passed the exam, and some aren't

728
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: going to retake it. They're just like, well, I have

729
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: failed it and I'm still totally employed. It's my career. Bagel, bagel. Yeah.

730
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Speaker 1: L Another part of the problem also is there's like

731
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Speaker 1: four to five officially qualified medical examiners who are forensic pathologists,

732
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: and it's about half of what's needed by estimates for

733
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: the US, right, so they're underfunded, overworked, overworked. The National

734
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: Association of Medical Examiners recommends no more than two d

735
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Speaker 1: and fifty UM autopsies per per medical examiner per year

736
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Speaker 1: and UM, I mean that's easily exceeded by a lot

737
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: of people these days. In Oklahoma stopped performing autopsies on

738
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: anybody over forty and UM, anybody uh suspected of being

739
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: a suicide. The Magic Massachusetts seemed like a big mess.

740
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: I think they said they had lost five bodies. They

741
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: incinerated one before the autopsy even took place. Yeah, it

742
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: was that the state where they got the two people

743
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: mixed up, you know, that was that was a death

744
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: in a fire that was a different one. And then

745
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: there was one case where they pulled the body out

746
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: of a lake and uh, well he drowned and they

747
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: didn't notice the bullet once in his neck. Yeah, and

748
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: suburban Detroit. Yeah, it sounds like a gross point. And

749
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I don't know. I'm just guessing. So, yeah,

750
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: I got nothing else. I don't either. I think it's

751
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: a noble profession to get into if you've got the

752
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: stomach for it. Yeah, and uh, you don't like your

753
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: patients talking smack back to you, right, you don't like

754
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: that to spend a lot of magazine subscriptions. Don't have

755
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: to worry about your bedside manner does uh? Uh? Your

756
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: dog is free to come in and out apparently, I guess.

757
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: So that's just so crazy to um. This one was

758
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 1: surprising to me, Like remember when we did the bail system. Yeah,

759
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: that was surprising. It's like this seems like this innocuous,

760
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: normal thing, and then all of a sudden you start

761
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: looking into You're like, whoa, there's a lot of problems

762
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: with this system. So you can great if you want

763
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: to know more about autopsies, um, including a lot of

764
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: photos of dead bodies with sheets draped over him. Um,

765
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: you can find that by typing autopsy A U T

766
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Speaker 1: O P S I E S in the search bar

767
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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com, which means the time for listenings.

768
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Speaker 1: Hold on Josh before listener mail. We want to announce

769
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: our south By Southwest goings On year. We will be

770
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 1: podcasting this year live from three thirty to four thirty

771
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: on Sunday, March eleven. And uh, we don't know the

772
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: location yet. I'm hoping it's a Driscal hotel again. Yeah. Uh,

773
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: and if you're a badgeholder, please come out and see

774
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: his podcast live. There'll be a lot of fun. And

775
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: if you're not in town and you can't make it,

776
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: we will release the live podcast so you'll join in

777
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: on the fun. Yeah, Posthumes. Yeah, like if you never

778
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: leave the state of Kansas. Uh, Monday the following day,

779
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: March twelve, we're gonna be throwing a party. And we're

780
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: not quite firm on the details yet, but there will

781
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: be likely some live music and some live comedy and

782
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: US and some other very and when I say very

783
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: special treats, you're really gonna want to be there for

784
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: this one? Yes, you know it's gonna be a good party.

785
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: It is. It's not like you're thinking though, I mean, like, Chuck,

786
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: this means it's gonna be a good party. He's not

787
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: like trying. There's no wink wink, nudge nudge for you

788
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: call it. Not like an eyes wide chut kind of thing.

789
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: Nothing like that. It's going to be a nice, wholesome,

790
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: fun party exactly. Uh plus beer. Yes, so this will

791
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: be count interacted by um dropping the clothes pin in

792
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: the milk bottle. Games. That's right, okay, now, listener mail

793
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: a listener mail, Josh. This is from Austin and I'm

794
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: gonna call this health scare and you helped me through

795
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: my health scare. Guys really appreciate the show. Went through

796
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: a pretty rough health scare recently, and this is how

797
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: I came to listen to your show. UM, I had

798
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: some limp swelling along with other health issues, and my

799
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: doctor says, you know, we should test for the worst

800
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: of the worst. Um. It took a couple of weeks

801
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: for this. Uh, these tests to get turned around, and

802
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: it was pretty much the longest time of my life.

803
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: To me, all signs pointed pointy to cancer. Couldn't believe it,

804
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: sitting across from a doctor I didn't know telling me

805
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: we need may need to look into a possible death sentence.

806
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: And then my wife is at home, uh, losing both

807
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: of her grandparents. It's Christmas time, and her parents are

808
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: stuck in two different hospitals and had to cancel plans

809
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: to business, all the while feuding with blood relatives who

810
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: were taking advantage of the financials of their dying parents. Here,

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Speaker 1: I was a new father of a spectacular baby, an

812
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: incredible wife, overwhelmed with her own terrible issues, and I

813
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: think I could soon be having to tell her I

814
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: could be terminally ill having a new baby. She would

815
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: often go to bed early, and I would be left

816
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: to try and sleep with my own frightening imagination of

817
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: what was going on my body. I started listening to

818
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: your podcast to take my mind off of everything, and

819
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: it was really the most calming distraction I could ever

820
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: have wished for. Laughing, wondering, learning, and enjoying all of

821
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: it until I would fall asleep. UH. Long story short,

822
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: I got my scans back. My olymphatic system was normal,

823
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: but my immune system was hyperactive, causing symptoms of note swelling, pain,

824
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: and fatigue, weight loss. Great news compared to the mindset

825
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: that I had of the worst thing imaginable. So he's okay,

826
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Speaker 1: very lucky. But still I look forward to laying down

827
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Speaker 1: early with my wife and now the two of us

828
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Speaker 1: listened to you guys before we go to bed to

829
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Speaker 1: help clear her mind in her tough turn. Wow, I

830
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: can't believe we can do that. It is crazy. I'm

831
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Speaker 1: sure they fall asleep six to eight minutes later, right,

832
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: tops stops. So that's from Austin and Austin. We're very

833
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: glad to hear about your diagnosis, my friend. Yeah, way

834
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: to go, Austin. Um, that was great. It was a

835
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: good wa Chuck, I think it? Uh it Austin. Thanks Austin,

836
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Speaker 1: I already did, thank me, I did, did you? Thank Jerry?

837
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Speaker 1: Thank you? Jerry? All right? Thank you to everybody for

838
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Speaker 1: listening to this one. If you have an interesting story

839
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: of how stuff you should have put you to sleep,

840
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: or anything weird that it's done for you, we want

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