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Speaker 1: swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life,

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Speaker 1: swapping all my life. I've been grinding all my life. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Club Shasha. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: also the proprietor Club Shasha, and the guy that's stopping

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Speaker 1: me by for a drink and conversation is none other

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Speaker 1: than NBA Champion Meta World Peace. Matter how you doing

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Speaker 1: today running? He's a great Thanks for stopping by. Well,

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Speaker 1: I did short change you on a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: NBA Champ, Defensive Player of the Year, All Star, All

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Speaker 1: NBA selection. So what have you been up too lately? Yeah? Man,

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Speaker 1: just like your kids is in college. Man, so I've

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Speaker 1: been really busy with that. Yea, I got four kids

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Speaker 1: same time. My first my first daughter, she didn't go

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Speaker 1: so my two middle ones in college, right, so now

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Speaker 1: bit about that? Yeah? Absolutely, man. It's an app where

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Speaker 1: people can get exposure. So if you're trying to find

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Speaker 1: because when you go overseas or even the NBA, you

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Speaker 1: really nothing, that's not real ball, right. So we try

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Speaker 1: to manufacture competitive games right where you're gonna get better,

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Speaker 1: not What if you're not at that level. What if

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Speaker 1: you just want to get a good game, get a

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Speaker 1: that next level is that available also on this app.

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Speaker 1: It's available because as a bad player, when you go

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Speaker 1: So if you just want to get in shape and compete,

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Speaker 1: this is the apt to go on. Okay, what about you?

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Speaker 1: Are you been playing any basketball lately? I know you

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Speaker 1: were used to go to Equal Knocks a lot, twenty

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Speaker 1: to you know, keep your basketball game sharp? Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: and uh, I would say like twice a month I play. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I'm trying to get back to the love. Are

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Speaker 1: One of your best friends was Lamar Oldham and I

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Speaker 1: up just right. Hey, you gotta figure it out. Maybe

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Speaker 1: to knock someone out, you gotta take risk. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: But I trained hard, and I fight against someone who's

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Speaker 1: But then I got a concussion in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: You like, I don't want to be a part of that.

424
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 1: I just want to add I ain't trying to wipe

425
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 1: away nothing, but yeah, he he he me, he got.

426
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: He had me thinking we're gonna get him a seven

427
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 1: and me, I'm like, I'm a team player. So I'm like, really,

428
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 1: so you know the other six, Okay, this is gonna

429
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: be doing. This is what we're gonna try to do.

430
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: Let's try to get number seven. And he really wanted

431
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 1: me to stay there. Right. He saw a lot in me, right,

432
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 1: And I used to be so discouraged. I was only

433
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 1: averaging eleven to twelve, right, And you know, later in

434
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 1: my career, I was at twenty and he said, Yo,

435
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 1: you're gonna be straight. I was so frustrated, missing shots,

436
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 1: not winning and losing sixty games, right, breaking stuff in

437
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 1: the locker room. And he'd be like, you gotta relax.

438
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: He said, you're gonna be great, trust me, trust me, me,

439
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: tell me all the time, right, And I didn't believe

440
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 1: it at that time. So what was what was playing

441
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: for Tim? Floyd? Tim? Tim was? It was Tim was

442
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 1: I think he was a college coach. Right, you know

443
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, well, he did teach me amazing

444
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 1: tips on defense, right, I always give him credit. Right,

445
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 1: he one of the reasons I was locking people up

446
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 1: in the BA. Right. But then when it came to

447
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: and I don't think he had a lot of power also, Right,

448
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. Right, he couldn't really do what

449
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. And people don't talk about play

450
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: this guy, play that guy for sure. You're in Chicago,

451
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: you make a thirteen hours drive back in New York.

452
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 1: Why I just needed to be back in Queensbridge. You

453
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I would go back. We

454
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: don't have a practice one day, I just drive. I'll

455
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: be in I'll go to the hood for like ten

456
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: hours and then drive back. And this was crazy because

457
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: I was driving with no sleep. I would drive sleep.

458
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: But you know, you could have gotten a lot quicker

459
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: if you you know flown. I know, I know, I know.

460
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: I will always drive. I was because you know, when

461
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: when you're nineteen, I never had a car, Right, So

462
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 1: now you're going back to the hood with your car. Yeah,

463
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: so you want to see the wheel not necessarily, but

464
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: It's like I could just drive, right, I don't have

465
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: to go to the flight. I can say, hey, you

466
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: want to go, let's go out New York City, right,

467
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I'll just go back home, go back

468
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: to the neighborhood. And it's like, you know, I need

469
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: some type of reality to what's happening, because like I

470
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: wasn't ready for it. Right, yeah, when you went back

471
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: to the hood, all you because you know everybody. The

472
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: thing is what I tell people all the time. Even

473
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: though everybody say, hey, hey hey, everybody's not happy, even

474
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,959
Speaker 1: though they had the same opportunities, some of them had

475
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: the very same opportunities you had to exit that they

476
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: chose to stay there. And then they hold that against

477
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 1: you that you chose the guy out. Oh man, run,

478
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: you acted brand new, You acted difference. Ain't nobody coming

479
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 1: to me in my neighborhood, and not one soul that's

480
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna come to me they like happy you think vote

481
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: for sure when I because I I'm a different breed, right,

482
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: So in my neighborhood in Queensbridge, if anything you don't

483
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: like you, you get out the way, right, you know

484
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because I'm gonna be here right. You

485
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I'm coming back home and and

486
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: people just respect it. Like you, you bypass everything you

487
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: think about me because I'm here in the flesh every

488
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: single time. That's it. And I and I and I

489
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: still love too. You know what I'm saying, I never did.

490
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 1: You have a lot of boys. You still got guys

491
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: that you grow up with, You still cool with, You

492
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: still talk to sure, Yeah, for sure, for sure, like

493
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't. I don't speak like I'm

494
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: not not I don't want to be ignorant. But you

495
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: know a lot of my friends are locked up and

496
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: I keep in contact. I try to inspire them, you know.

497
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: I tried to let them know. I'm like, wow, I

498
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: experience something different, right, you guys got to hate these stories, right,

499
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: Like I got I'm doing business with these type of guys.

500
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys could do it like that type

501
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 1: of stuff, right that when I when I look at

502
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: guys that's in my neighborhood that don't really have a

503
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: big shot to leave, I look at them. I could

504
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: have been that situation, correct, You know what I'm saying.

505
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: Easily because if I go to jail for something, then

506
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: it starts a series of events. Yeah, so I don't

507
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: look like I don't feel different, right, I feel like

508
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 1: I want to tell you these stories, and I think

509
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: you guys can make it if you just focus, you know,

510
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: and if you just don't give up, right, you know,

511
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: and things like that. So you know, I got a

512
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: lot of love in the neighborhood mainly because of those reasons.

513
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: What made Jordan's so special on the defensive end, because

514
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of people say, you look at him,

515
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: and he was a lot stronger than what he appeared

516
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: to beat. For sure, Jordan is strong. That's a difference.

517
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: That's a difference between Jordan and Kobe. All right, p

518
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: Kobe Jordan? He said he almost as strong as like

519
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: myself from Lebron. Right, not quite right, but right there, right,

520
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I'm sure like the

521
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: guys that played against it would say the same thing, right, Yeah,

522
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: if you were guarding Mike and his prime, how would

523
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: you defend him? For one? Honestly, I think, let let's

524
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: just compare it to the great I played against. Okay, Kobe,

525
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, Lebron, Yeah you played k D k D

526
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: k D was all right, So when I caught KD

527
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: in twenty and ten, he was just becoming really good, right,

528
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: And you talk about coach Scott was running all these

529
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: plays and I wasn't getting hit with no screens, you

530
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm weaving it out and Kate

531
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: and all the players for Katie was running and get open. Right,

532
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: you had I think you had Ibaka, but I'm getting

533
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: around all that, right, And I don't think he was

534
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: ready for that, right, So his percentage was way down, right,

535
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: And I was happy I had a chance to get

536
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: read him early because there was no way I was

537
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna be him, you know what I mean, Yeah, you

538
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So but with Lebron, lebron first

539
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: game against me, he had twenty five, right, and that

540
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: that's when I was reigning defensive player. Yea, So I

541
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this is crazy, you know what I mean.

542
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: But I did have some good games against Lebron, right,

543
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: So if I can compare it to Lebron or Kobe,

544
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: Kobe might have gave me forty once. You know, nobody

545
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: ever scored fifty on me. I don't even think anybody

546
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: ever scored forty four, Like maybe four times somebody got forty.

547
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: Lebron might have had forty. So I compare that, I

548
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: think Jordan was a little bit better, and maybe the

549
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: middlese guys. I think Jordan would have gave me fifty

550
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Really. The reason the reason I

551
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: say that because even in my prime, he had forty

552
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: against us, right, you know what I'm saying, Right when

553
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: he was old, Right, he was old. I was amazing defender,

554
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: and Jordan had forty. Right, So I'm like, what the

555
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: hell is doing? All right? So you hear a lot

556
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: of people say, well, Mike with average forty, Mike with

557
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: average fifty in today's game, with the rules the way

558
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: they are, you played in both eras, how many points

559
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: do you think Jordan would literally average per game today today?

560
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: Shoot more than James Harden had a c avera thirty

561
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: six more than that, for sure, really for sure. And

562
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: I was at the Jordan era, Yeah, I was in

563
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: the Lebron Kobe, yeah, Duncan, and I was at the

564
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: tailing right, you know what I'm saying. And I said,

565
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: I played with these guys, I've seen all the three

566
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: point balls, but they can't join him with Jordan, No way, Jordan,

567
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Jordan average fifty. You believe Jordan with average fifty if

568
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: he wanted to write James Harden wants to average fifty,

569
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: he just can't write thirty eight amazing, Right, If Jordan

570
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: wants to average fifty, he was playing his error. I

571
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: think he averages fifty. And this is no disrespect to

572
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: any of the guys current players. That's killing like KD.

573
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Why why do you feel

574
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: that because you feel he would have developed a three

575
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: point shot because it's hard to get to that fifty

576
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: without having that three ball. You look at the guys

577
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: that look at James Harden. James Harden's probably shooting ten

578
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: threes a game. You look at Steph, Steph was probably

579
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: averaging ten twelve threes a game. He's making five. So

580
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: in order to get to that fifty spot, it's hard

581
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: for me to imagine someone can average fifty on just twos. Well,

582
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: when you practice, you know it makes perfect. Stephen Curry

583
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: came up shooting threes. He changed the game for sure, Yes, yes,

584
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: for sure, I'll change the game. But then you get

585
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: James Harden, right, he didn't. James Harden didn't come into

586
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: the league, right, shooting like this right, then he talked

587
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: to work on that step back Jordan had on one

588
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: dribble full speed, he won dribble right, hull up? Yeah,

589
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: what you see Kobe develop. Devin Booker not has that.

590
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant at seven foot has that. Kauai has that arsenal.

591
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: So you believe join could average fifty if James Harden

592
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: was an amazing place, right, he could have his thirty eight? Right?

593
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: What about cold? What about comedy with cold rest RP cold? Yeah? Absolutely? Uh.

594
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: I think in this era, in his prime, yeah, the

595
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: mostly average was about thirty something. Yeah, I think five. Yeah,

596
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: and this era five getting forty I mean as peak. Yeah,

597
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: I think you could say forty because I mean, I

598
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: don't think James is better than Kobe, Okay, am I right? No?

599
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: Some people I don't think yet. Some people argue that

600
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: because of his ability to draw files, is that James

601
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: goes not this year, but when he was in Houston

602
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: he was leading the league every year in free throw

603
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: attempts eleven twelve. But James is amazing get into the basket, yes,

604
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and amazing the people. Right, Kobe was incredible all in there. Yeah,

605
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Kobe don't make as many

606
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: threes as James Harden, right, So I'm saying, with that

607
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: being said, but Kobe because your threes, right, So in

608
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: this era, you gotta in their prime, you gotta say

609
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Kobe would have average forty something, right, you know what

610
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, forty one two? Right? The hand check

611
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys I hear the older guy

612
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: says that's the difference in today's game and the way

613
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: we played, because they say Jordan could literally steer you

614
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: where he wanted you to go with the hand check. Well,

615
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: now that's not allowed anymore because everybody wants to see score, right,

616
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: So do you believe that some of the old guy

617
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: guy like you yourself? How do you stop a guy

618
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: like Steph Kurt? How do you stop a guy like

619
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant in today's game when you can't hand check? Well,

620
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: it's it's all subjective because the referees don't call it

621
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: all the time. Right, by the way, So the last

622
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: game Kevin Durant got feiled on that ball. Okay, they

623
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: was all on them, right, And if we can't touch right,

624
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: why why did the why was the found not calling

625
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: Kevin was on time. He just left the floor, Like

626
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: if I'm going to sleep, I keep playing the playoffs.

627
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: But I think for me personally, I would have been

628
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: I would have been amazing in this era because I

629
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: came at the era when they took that out right

630
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: and they had this, you can do this, you can

631
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: ride them with that, and then the next year they

632
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: took it out and say they gotta be here, they

633
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: gotta be attached. And then the next year they took

634
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: it out right, you know what I mean? And I was,

635
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: I was, I was thriving in that era. So I

636
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: would have been fine in this era for sure. Do

637
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: you like today's game or do you like the era

638
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: in which you played? A man? Oh man? I like

639
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: I like, I like Grind. I grew up. I grew

640
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: up watching the Pistons and the next so in my

641
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: like how carry grew up, Well, how some new player

642
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: grew up watching carry On like Tree Young. I grew

643
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: up watching the Grind, the the Miami Heat. So that's

644
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: how my mindset. My mindset is like, Okay, we're gonna

645
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: go to the league, and oh, if Bill and Bear

646
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: is still in the league when I get there, I

647
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: gotta watch out right, I remem I went to the

648
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: whole one time playing against the heat. Alonzo Morning said,

649
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: I was nineteen. Alonzo Warning said, you come in here again,

650
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm knocking your head off. That's Alonzo Warning told me

651
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: I wanted again. You know I wanted that, right, But

652
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: that's the type of so when you hear that from

653
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: a Linzo was like, okay. Next game we got called

654
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: Malone called alone. I was like, bigger than yours. You

655
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was guarding stocked at one time.

656
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: The car said get off my point guard, and I'm like, god, damn,

657
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: you know what I say, Like this is every night,

658
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: So you know, I think I love my era. We

659
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: had one game to go to the finals. The score

660
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: was seventy one sixty seven Detroit versus Indiana. That was

661
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: a score, right. You know what I'm saying. I missed

662
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: that era where it was just grind, grind, grind. But

663
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: when I look at today's game, I think the guys today,

664
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're better, I'm saying they're more skilled.

665
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: The way they can shoot the ball. I don't think

666
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: we've ever seen anything like this. We haven't is because

667
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, you evolved in a depth right, A humans

668
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: a depth right, I don't we want cave man? We

669
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: got now were walking right, And I think the mind

670
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: is so powerful as we can see the mine is

671
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: so powerful because it's the same person right, same size room,

672
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: the same tight But now we got this guy Stephen

673
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: Kerry eleven threes right, and this is incredible to me.

674
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: From thirty five, From thirty five Tray now Trade Young.

675
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: Now Trey Young is just doing it, and Damian lives

676
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: doing that, and now all these guys are doing it

677
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: because you know, back then, if the only time you

678
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: shot a Logo three, the shot clock was running out

679
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: or is in the quarter to the end of the half,

680
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: but you ain't pulling that shot with twelve second left

681
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: of the shot. We shot a Logo three and you wasn't.

682
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller, the coach is gonna chew you out. If

683
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: I would have came down, and I was a man

684
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: on my team, a lot of my teams, if I

685
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: came down the shot five feet from behind the three,

686
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: Rick Allaman, Phil Jackson, Rick Carlisle, time, what are you

687
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: doing him? Alien? And now it's like these guys are

688
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: just coming down and it's expected for them to shoot

689
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, it's expected. Yeah, Lamar Oldham and Elton

690
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: Brand was on your AAU team. How many games did

691
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: you guys? Move one? One game? Who beat you? Baron Davis? Oh,

692
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: y'all let bad beat y'all. Y'all got three all stars. Man,

693
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: we lost the Baron Davis team. I was sick and

694
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: we beat him in the championship. Came back but he

695
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: was he did he wasn't there, but that team they

696
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: beat us and then we came back in the championship

697
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: and beat him by twenty Well, well, who's on meats team?

698
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: Did beat y'all? The Colin twins? He had the Colin Twins.

699
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: He had a gentleman by the name of Travis that

700
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: went to UCLA. I forget they traveled to UCLA. Okay,

701
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: Tayshaun Prince and young Tayshaun Prince Okay was on that team.

702
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, the only team to beat us. A

703
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: lot of your career, especially at the end and even

704
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: now you speak of mental health and just just she

705
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: had a little light. What was it the situation that

706
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: happened the Malison of the Palace, was that what really

707
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: forced you just like something right, something's going on, I

708
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't be behaving like this. It was actually before that. Okay,

709
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: the Malison the Palace was that was the culmination, but

710
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: that was like that was a cake walk, right because

711
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: like from me personally where I was going through because

712
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: the Malison the Palace was more of someone who hit

713
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: me right, right, So that wasn't like nobody was hitting

714
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: me before. I was just I was, you know what

715
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the malice, like I had a reason to

716
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: go into the stand and me and John Green is

717
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: cooling out the guy who hit me right with the cup, right,

718
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: you know. But but when I laid on that table,

719
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: I was doing therapy sessions like every day, right, so

720
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: anytime I was getting an issue, like when Ben, when

721
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: when I found Ben and he pushed me in the

722
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: first thing I did, they don't showed this first thing

723
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: I did was like this, apologizing my bad Ben, but

724
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: was so mad he just pushed me. I ain't get it.

725
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: I ain't get a chance to be like my bad

726
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know what I mean.

727
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: So I was like this and it's it's clear's day

728
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: and the camera and then when he pushed me, normally

729
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: I would go back. I mean, if I'm not afraid

730
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: of lines on morning, I'm not afraid of being wild.

731
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: And I'm heavier than been been two forty, I'm two sixty.

732
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, but then I went

733
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: to the table because I was trying to practice. Relax.

734
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: You gotta think about this. The year before that, we

735
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: was in the conference finals. Right, conference finals will go

736
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: to the championship. Best team in the league, sixty more wins.

737
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: I elbow Richard Hamilton in the face game is tied

738
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: sixty seven sixty seven. Right, Richard, I elbow him. They

739
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: called flagant Rip had two free throws sixty nine sixty seven.

740
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: They scored seventy one sixty seven in the finals, and

741
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this can't be happening anymore. You see

742
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I wanted to win a title, so

743
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm really so. I wasn't prepared for somebody to throw,

744
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: but everything else I was prepared for. I've been me.

745
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: I got head a cool, I'm a chill. I'm gonna

746
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: gonna hear a chill until it was over. But the

747
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: crazy thing it was there was it was like five minutes,

748
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: Like God damn, right, So I'll on to count that.

749
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: But everything else before that, I for sure knew I

750
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: needed to fix myself, and I was, well, this is

751
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: something that was that happened in childhood that that you

752
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: needed to address, that you didn't address, And it was

753
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: just gradually building and building and building. And then when

754
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: you laid on the table and somebody threw something, that

755
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: was the crescendo for that incident. It was right for

756
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: that incident, it was but before that, a lot of

757
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: things that happened in childhood, right, you know, from parents,

758
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: right while in the household, both parents. I loved my parents. Wow,

759
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: did you ever did you ever go to your parents

760
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: and talk to them about some of the things you

761
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: were dealing with and some of the things that were

762
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: impacting you. That was so that was a that was

763
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: a part of the roadmap for my third PY sessions. Okay,

764
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: so those sessions happened two years later. Okay, we was

765
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: taking it slow, right, but I did. I did third

766
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: PY sessions with my parents. I might have just honed

767
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: my siblings siblings, right, yeah, are you the oldest, I'm

768
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: in the middle. You're the middle ten of us, right, yeah,

769
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: ten ten? And I got forty four nieces and nephews

770
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: and maybe eight uh ten great nieces and nephews. Wow,

771
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: you got a big family, big family. So you you

772
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: you you're going through your therapy sessions. You're going through everything,

773
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I'm in a good place right now,

774
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: because you say you was doing this every day, so

775
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: you felt you were in a good place until the ice,

776
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: until that water landed on the felt in good place.

777
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: I felt was getting it. You was getting there, So

778
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You're practicing football and after every practice you

779
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: go to a room and your therapy, right, right, So

780
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: Donnie Walsh provided that for me, right, you know. So

781
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: I was working on it right with Donnie Walsh. NBA

782
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: was helping me out a little bright. You know, the

783
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: bulls helped me out early a little bit. Everybody there

784
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: was really chipping in. NBA was like nobody noticed because

785
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: it was like quiet, right, but the NBA was very

786
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: aware that players are going to need services for sure. Right. Yeah,

787
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: so you even faked your therapist after you won the championship. Yeah,

788
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: you here, So Kobe pass you the ball. It's game seven.

789
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: I think you're up like one or two points, real three,

790
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: Kobe pass you the ball. Okay, Kobe like, okay, get

791
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: it back. I gave it to you. I lost my

792
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: drible that give it back? What's going through you? By

793
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Let's say something about Kovid Kobe and Kobe right similar,

794
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: he's way greater. But when you talk about stubborn and

795
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: all right. So one time, I mean, we're playing against

796
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: the OKAC and OKC and it was a last second

797
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: shot in the playoffs to go home, right, and Steve

798
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: Blake set a screen on Kobe. Steve went to the corner.

799
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: Kobe has somebody to give it to. Steve his ambles

800
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: hit the shot, Steve try their ball. Kobe about choking me.

801
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: I said, hey, he's wide over. Wait you want me

802
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: to do? You know? I say, and and and he

803
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: just he just kept all right. If there's anybody else,

804
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: he probably would if my brother Kobe, but he knows.

805
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: I put a lot of working Kobe in the gym early.

806
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm in a gym late, right, And that moment, just

807
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: before I was averaging twenty five, I was killing him

808
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: the year before that, right, you know what I'm saying.

809
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: So he trusted me, you know what I'm saying. He

810
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: was he trusting me, And in my mind I want

811
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: to win. I'm not thinking about anything else. You might

812
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: you say, man, Kobe passed me the ball to shoot

813
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: this thing. That's how you would think, you know my mind,

814
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to go up six, okay, because he was

815
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: up three, right, and I'm like, if I can hit

816
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: this three, you know, we go up six, this is incredible.

817
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: If I missed, they still got to hit a three, right,

818
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: So my mom, I just get this was woman and

819
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: left right. So I just shooting, man, like, that's it.

820
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: If it would have shot the air ball, I wouldn't

821
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: a kid, you know. But you say you said Kobe

822
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: pass you the ball. Yeah, Kobe passed it. I mean

823
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: because you know what that year, I was average at

824
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: eight points, right, and then everybody in the media, everybody's

825
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: like me a medal, world piece. His kid. He know,

826
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: his career is almost old at twenty nine years old.

827
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: How my career ALM was over at twenty nine years old.

828
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: You know what I say, I'm just in my prime, right,

829
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: But I was playing with an amazing player at twenty

830
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: nine and my prime, right, and I actually try to

831
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: get traded. I was like trying to get traded earlier, right,

832
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: because I was like, yeah, it's no way I'm gonna

833
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: do anything else. But but it was a great experience. Right,

834
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: But before you and Kobe became closer, you guys became teammates,

835
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: you guys had a lot of battle because there's video

836
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: of you and him going back and forth. You in Houston, yeah,

837
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: and he obviously with the Lakers, and you guys are

838
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: talking and Kobe ask you said, oh you a comedian, now,

839
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: oh you will stop you down? Yeah? What were those

840
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: battles like dealing with him? Because you basically you you

841
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: got to league in ninety nine, Kobe got in ninety six.

842
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: But you guys up until you guys became teammates, and

843
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: you probably had some battles in the gym where you

844
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: guys are going against each other. So what was what

845
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: were those battles? Like? Are very competitive? Kobe's way more scale, right,

846
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: you know. And and I'm sure I feel like I'm

847
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: the best every time I walk on the floor, and

848
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: I know the numbers don't say that, but in my mind,

849
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's nobody better than me too, you know.

850
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: And I had big playoff series, but I play against

851
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Famous but I showed out, So going against

852
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Kobe he is the best. On my mind, I'm like

853
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: I have to win, Like I have to do something

854
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: to win the game. But I wasn't mentally strong enough,

855
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, fully to just play the game, you know

856
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: and accept losing. You know. So it was but I

857
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: but as far as competing, it was good. Did Kobe

858
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: like you guys battling? Did he ever say good job

859
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: after the game? You you make a player, you get

860
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: a steal, you blocking shot, you do something? He ever

861
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: was like, good job? Yeah, because sometimes you're not gonna

862
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: score me every single time, right, so I'll do something

863
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: nice on defense, like, you know, a good job, you

864
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I

865
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. Then he would try to guard me

866
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: in to post some times, but I'm too sixty, right,

867
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: so it's like you just keeping down. It's a little

868
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: difficult to guard. You change your name, you change your

869
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: name to Metal world Piece and the Buddhist term which

870
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: means loving kindness. What made you decide to say, you

871
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: know what, I would run our tests in with Metal

872
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: world Piece. Yeah, you know it was. I was getting

873
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: into meditation therapy that evolves to meditation that evolves too.

874
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: I feel really good too. I wanted to learn more.

875
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: And then I started learning Buddhism and I just I

876
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: just fell in love with it, right, and I think

877
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change my name like to something I really love.

878
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: Right that really because meditation and Buddhism, it gave me

879
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: some type of control, right, you know that I felt

880
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: breathing and learning it provided the clarity to you that

881
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: you didn't have it. Yeah, for sure. It was like,

882
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: this is a great feeling to be able to just

883
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: breathe and have clarity and be able to make a

884
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: better decision, right, you know, and tell anyone you're gonna

885
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: change your name or it just came out of the blue. Oh,

886
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: me and one lady Heidi. Okay, it was really just

887
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: jump just me and Heidi. I ain't even really tell

888
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: my family, right yeah. So when you told him when

889
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: you when you finally did after you had changed your name,

890
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: or you told him you were changing your name, what

891
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: did they say? Everybody laugh because they know they thought

892
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: you were joking. No anything, I was joking. They just

893
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: knew that. You know. Ron was kind of crazy, like

894
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm here like that He's just like, yeah,

895
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: he gonna do it. We're not surprised. Yeah, so you

896
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: change the name the Middle World Peace. But did it

897
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: take up people a while? Or do you get upset

898
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: because a lot of times, I mean you see people

899
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: change their name and people still call them but their

900
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: original government name. Do you get upset when people call

901
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: you run? I love it actually because that means you

902
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: know me, like the kids when I first changed my name,

903
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: changed my name, a lot of kids called me the

904
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: World Peace. Right, you know that's what they grow up.

905
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: They five years old, World Peace. They don't even know matter.

906
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: And then then New York, New York City, Old school Indiana. Right,

907
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: that's run. They't not even thinking about calling me matter. Right.

908
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of the players that you you

909
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: played with or against. I'm looking at Colby, Tracy McGrady, y'all, main,

910
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry, you know lab Lad Bird with your coach

911
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, Isaiah Thomas, I mean you, Reggie Miller with

912
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: the Kim Bay but Tumble, Derek Fish, Chipagoso, Ellen Brad

913
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, very grateful. What coach did you learn

914
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: the most from? I learned the most from Carlisle, and

915
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: sometimes I was I would rate him than the best

916
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: coach I played for no disrespect, Yeah, for sure, no

917
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: disrespect to anyone, right, even though you know the en

918
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: masses like influenced me, impacting me more than anybody. And

919
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: he's amazing. I learned so much from them masters, right

920
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: you know Phil Jackson, Yeah, Phil Jackson, And I learned

921
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: so much from mric Alman. Right. But Carlisle because he

922
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: was coaching every play. People don't like how Carlisle coach, right,

923
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: but you're gonna be successful, right, that's the thing. I

924
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: was mad at Carlisle. And I'm averaging twenty four, right,

925
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I was twenty four, and I'm like, coach,

926
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: would you stop calling plays? He called time out and

927
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: quick like it's once i'ing wrong. So that type of

928
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: stuff was annoying. But he taught you how to coach

929
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: the game. And I would pay attention to everything maybe

930
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: his teaching, and that's how I was able to be

931
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: on the floor and able to He trusted me. And

932
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: what type of coach was Larry Bird because we know

933
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: what type of player that he was. Yeah, what type

934
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: of coach was he? But Larry Larry Well, I wasn't

935
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: there where he would coach. He was general manager. But

936
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: he did come down every day because I told us, said, Larry,

937
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: I want to get so much better. And Larry would

938
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: come down to the gym every single day and talk

939
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: to me about my game, right, and it's and that's

940
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: and that's also when my my average went up because

941
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, I was like Larry, I watched tape, and

942
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: I was watching tape and Larry before I come back

943
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: to practice, and I was there every day, sometimes by

944
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: myself in the gym. Actually, young James Jones was in

945
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: the gym, kicking, kicking his butt in that gym every day.

946
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: I kicked James, kicking James Jones, but it made him tough.

947
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: But but you know, Larry would be there working with

948
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: me on my elbow. He got my elbow in, Chuck

949
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: Person got my elbow up. You know, I'm working with

950
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: both of these guys. And sometimes Chuck Person would be like,

951
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: that's great, but I'm here with you every day. Larry's

952
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: just sitting down. So Chuck was like, listen to me

953
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: because you know I'll changing up. I said, no, I'm

954
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: listening to Larry too. I'm putting both of y'all up, right,

955
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: And then my shot was just like bong bong, and

956
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: I was like, man, it's the first time ever in

957
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: my life I had a jumper, right. It was just Crazyegie.

958
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: It was Reggie was like he remind me of Kobe, right,

959
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: because Derek Fisher was the vocal voice, and Reggie was

960
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: like show by example, Reggie getting into the gym at

961
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: three pm before a gang, which is crazy to me.

962
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 1: He's there every day, first shooting, before a practice, before

963
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: shooting arounds. He's there shooting after practice, shooting after shooting rounds.

964
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, Like really I learned a lot under Reggie,

965
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: it seems. So when you go play with and you

966
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: feel you're like, man, I'm I'm a good player. I'm

967
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna all start one defensive Players of the Year. And

968
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: then you go and you are teammates with other great players,

969
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: historically great players. Yeah, you look at the Reggie Miller

970
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: who had the record for the still had currently has

971
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: the rector what had the record for the most three pointers.

972
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: And you play with Kobe and you see the work

973
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: they put in. What do you thinking, do you think, like, damn,

974
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm I thought I was working hard, but I ain't.

975
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: I ain't working like that, well not really. I don't

976
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: know how many people that work harder than me really

977
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: for Shark, right, Yeah, And it wasn't just working on

978
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: the game. Is working on your defense, right the cardio.

979
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: Like when I was guarding guys, it was mostly cardio, right,

980
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: I was just outlasting guys, right, you know what I'm saying. So,

981
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: but you know Kobe had defense too, now has k

982
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: Kobe was probably Kobe was probably one of the only

983
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: guys that I've seen workers hard on me. When I

984
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: seen Kobe work, I was kicking myself in the head.

985
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, I'm like, you let this guy

986
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: out work you. That's how right. I'm like, this guy

987
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: work extreme harness is crazy. It's up at five thirty

988
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: in the morning in the gym, and I'm like, this

989
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: is why you're not a champion. This is why you're

990
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: not a champion, getting the gym five thirty. But you

991
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: had some you you were a great defensive players, but

992
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: you had some antics also. Yeah, I mean you pulled

993
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce playing down for sure. Uh what are some

994
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: of the other things that you did that you didn't

995
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: get caught? Well? Oh yeah, a lot? Oh man. So,

996
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: like after somebody would shoot, right, get him on the elbow, right,

997
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how to miss it. Players like he

998
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: hit me on the elbow, hit me on the elbow.

999
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about,

1000
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know how they missed it. But I'll

1001
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: get him on the elbow. And then after that it

1002
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: was just like out working them. I just figured if

1003
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: I am my physical, if I'm physical against your all games,

1004
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: you'll be dead tired at then, right, And I've seen

1005
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: some trying to people down, wear the ass down, probably

1006
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: wear him down, and I get that. That was that

1007
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: was that was my my game plan. And sometimes like

1008
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: if you if you worked really hard against me, he

1009
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: was gonna run out of energy, depending on who you was.

1010
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: Lebron Jay is not run out energy. Who was your

1011
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: favorite player in the NBA growing up? My first favorite

1012
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: player was BJ Armstrong. Okay, why that's the first game

1013
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: I saw, first game I ever saw Chicago Pistons. BJ,

1014
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: I'm trying had a corner three right, and I was

1015
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: like wait, I was like, oh, this is really cool. Yeah,

1016
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: but then Dennis Rodman, is that what you wore? Ninety one?

1017
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: For sure? I was trying to wear every single one

1018
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: of my favorite balls players numbers, and when I was

1019
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: doing it, I was gonna be an Indiana for the

1020
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: rest of my career. And I was like, what's gonna happen?

1021
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: So I was gonna have about ten numbers right now.

1022
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: I was gonna have about ten numbers. So I changed

1023
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: the MJA twenty three and I played against MJ and

1024
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: his number. I played against him in the shoes. I

1025
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: get Defensive Player of the Year thirteam on NBA All

1026
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: Star in my in my favorite players number, like it

1027
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: was just it was. It was just crazy. Then I said, cool,

1028
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: now I'm going Rodman, I get I get number one

1029
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: in Robbing ninety one in Rodman, I'm averaging a lot

1030
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: of points and I'm playing just how my favorite not

1031
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: on offensive and he wasn't average in twenty right, but

1032
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: Robin's effort was incredible. Yes, So then ninety one and

1033
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: then next year was gonna be pipping and then boom.

1034
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: After that, it was just like, you know, my career

1035
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: is pretty much over after that ninety one. In the end,

1036
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: I was like I just said, whatever, there's gonna be

1037
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: pipping into the cou coach, right, and then I was

1038
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: gonna go down you on the team when the Lakers

1039
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: were trying to trade or they thought they had a

1040
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: trade for Chris Paul. Yeah. Do you believe you guys

1041
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: would have won more championships had you gotten Chris Paul? First? Sure,

1042
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: Chris Paul's amazing, you know what I'm saying. But I

1043
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: was at the l a Clipper gym with Chris said,

1044
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you tomorrow. Right, Yeah, We're

1045
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: conversating about this, you know, let's go, let's go, let's

1046
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: get this ring. And then him he's not there. And

1047
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: then I'm like, then I see him in the gym again,

1048
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, Chris, what the I guess he's gonna kick

1049
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: ass now. But you know, Chris is incredibly probably wouldn't

1050
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: won the title for sure. You believe you the guys

1051
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: would want a title. Yeah, he was. He was hungry,

1052
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: and he was on he was on a well seasoned team,

1053
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of vets. Everybody IQ up here adding his IQ.

1054
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at some of the guys that

1055
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: the Lakers have had, Julius Randall, Jordan Clarkston, Brandon Ingram. Yeah,

1056
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: did did you think they possessed what they possessed? What

1057
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: they've shown since they've been outside of LA. Yeah. I

1058
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: mean I was in the gym with him every day

1059
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: for the last two years, practicing Lou Williams and those guys,

1060
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: and I would play D'Angelo Russell one on one a

1061
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: lot talented kids. Right, you could tell he was still nineteen.

1062
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: His body was like a baby body, not needed, but

1063
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: you could tell he was a killer. Right. I'm like,

1064
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: this kid is tough and just so confident. Right, He's

1065
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: gonna be a champion, I believe. And then Brandy'll played

1066
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: in the Ingland Wanda one a lot, and Brandon wanted

1067
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: to smoke. Brandon one hundred and seventy nine pounds. I'm older,

1068
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: but I'm two sixty and I'm hitting them in the post,

1069
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: hitting him when he go into the basket. Did you

1070
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: see how he played. I'm like, this kid go through

1071
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: all the contact. He wants the contact, and I'm like,

1072
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen that before. Corey

1073
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: Brewer might be similar, slim frame and not afraid. I'm

1074
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: I've never seen Abody one a hundred eighty pounds, just

1075
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: not afraid. Right. And then Julius Randall replayed a lot.

1076
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: I probably worked the most with Julius, right, I remember

1077
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: he just always moving so fast, you know what I mean,

1078
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: so working on his footwork things like that. Julius is strong, Yeah,

1079
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, Julius is big and strong, you know. And

1080
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: they couldn't really go right all the time moving fast.

1081
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: And then Jordan was Jordan was like, I didn't know

1082
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: what was gonna happen in Jordan because all the focus

1083
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: was on the other guys, right, it wasn't on Jordan, right,

1084
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: and Jordan's made playing amazing. What do you think the

1085
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Lakers need to add to win another championship? Nothing? No injuries.

1086
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: I love our team. I'll tell you why. I know

1087
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: we had issues with Schroeder, Dennis. I know we had

1088
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: issues with Kuzma. That's he that's fixable. I was at

1089
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: the game and basically, yeah, stop worrying so much. Yes,

1090
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: it's just playing the damn game. Don't But that's worrying

1091
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: about somebody. But when you look at Couls, I look

1092
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: at Cous. I believe Couls with the Lakers have hear

1093
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: his ceiling? Oh, I agree, he hit his ceiling with

1094
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: his talent. Yes, he could get better. But you know,

1095
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: I know you're saying, but he didn't play to his potential, right,

1096
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: which would to help the Lakers to go over the time.

1097
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: But what's his potential I think we have. I think

1098
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: we're over evaluating him because somehow I think we think

1099
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: he has brandon Ingram potential or I don't see that.

1100
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe that, right. I think he's

1101
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: a great player, but sometimes fans and media, right, hey,

1102
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: just everybody's amazing. Yes, yes, he's amazing. I'm like, this

1103
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: guy is not like Bird, but I believe like he

1104
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: could have played better, right. I think mentally you gotta

1105
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: bring your best mentally and mentally it is confidence. Right.

1106
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: If you're not bringing confidence, then you don't really want

1107
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: to win, right. So I feel like that's fixable. That's easy,

1108
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: easy fix. So what the Lakers is like just no injuries? Right, Yeah,

1109
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: we would be good. There's a lot going on with

1110
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons and his inability that you shoot, I don't know,

1111
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: And the way I explained it to people, I say,

1112
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: there's a difference between not shooting and being afraid to shoot.

1113
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: Because if you can't swim, that's one thing. You can

1114
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: learn to swim, But if you're afraid of water, you're

1115
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to you're not gonna be able

1116
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: to swim. So it seems to me that Ben is

1117
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: afraid to shoot, not that he can't shoot, he's afraid.

1118
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: He's paralyzed. Like, Oh, it's not gonna go in. Oh

1119
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: they don't fire me. I'm gonna get to the free

1120
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: throw line, and everybody go see the airball the shot,

1121
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: because I think what happened in the playoffs, that's what

1122
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: you saw. And then you can't have a guy who's

1123
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: the second most important player on your team, six foot level,

1124
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: become unplayable down the street. Yeah, yeah, it was. It

1125
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: was like sad, It really was. It was sad. And

1126
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: then I was looking at a little comment. I was like,

1127
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: this is sad and fixable, easy fixable, easily fixable. But

1128
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: but you keep saying people keep saying it's easy, fixable,

1129
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: but he hasn't fixed it in five years. Well, I

1130
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm looking at it from a different perspective, right,

1131
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: because you know, I do want to be a head

1132
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: coach one day, right, And I've coached so many different people,

1133
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: and you want to win with what you have. So

1134
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: when you're looking at these players and all these different teams.

1135
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: And when you're looking at Ben right, I'm looking at

1136
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: it as he got butterflies. You probably got butterflies before

1137
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: you play. I got butterflies every game. Right. I'm not

1138
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: gonna tell you I'm nervous, but it was plenty plenty

1139
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: of times I was nervous, right, But you learn to

1140
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: live with it, right, right, Like you know, you run in,

1141
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: the balls come in, you gotta catch it. You don't

1142
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: want to miss it, right, you don't know if you're

1143
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: gonna catch it, get a touchdown right home? What's going

1144
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: through your mind at that point? And I think like

1145
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: he has to learn to live with butterflies. Like literally,

1146
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: Game seven, finals in the playoffs general, right, I'm seeing

1147
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: my therapist right. Why because I didn't feel I was

1148
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: strong enough. I'm admit to that. But I want to win.

1149
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: I want to win by any needs necessary. Right, If

1150
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: that means I gotta go see my therapist, I'm doing that, right,

1151
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: And that's why I think my therapist, you know what

1152
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Because Game seven, rather than being nervous to shoot,

1153
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, we worked on some things. Let's go. Yeah,

1154
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm not this is my opportunity. It's fable, So you

1155
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: believe the question. You believe it's fixible because of what

1156
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: I've been through? Ye, does he believe it's fixable? Because

1157
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what we believe that the biggest thing.

1158
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: People can say, all he could do this, this and

1159
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: that and do this and that. What does the individual

1160
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: believe at this point? Right now? I gotta I gotta say,

1161
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: he don't believe in yourself? Right now? Okay? I would

1162
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: It looks like he don't believe in himself and you'res

1163
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: and that's really crazy. It's like it's like those Instagram models,

1164
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: you know whatever, and even like I gotta put more

1165
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: makeup on because I don't know if I look it

1166
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: looked great, right, Hell? Like Ben, you're great, Ben, Like

1167
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: you are incredible? But what if we what what if

1168
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: we judge him through a different prism? What if we

1169
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 1: don't expect him to be magic? What if we don't

1170
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: expect him to be Lebron and says, you know what,

1171
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: maybe he can be Draymond Green. But that's not a

1172
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: knock on Draymond not because people you know, Oh no,

1173
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Draymond is a champion three times, a Defensive Player of

1174
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: the Year, He's been an All NBA selection. So Draymond

1175
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: is a Knight, right, So once to say instead of saying,

1176
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: because we talk about Magic and Lebron, those are transcendent players.

1177
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: Different everybody can't be that. But what if he's just

1178
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean and people can say, well, he's a two

1179
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: time All defensive player, he's a three time All Star.

1180
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: He's all those things that became unplayable to his team

1181
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: in the fourth court late in the fourth quarter. Right,

1182
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean when you look at these type of players

1183
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: when they come into the league, people make so much money.

1184
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: They all because of the money. They're saying, you two

1185
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: hundred million, You're like Michael Jordan's right that the money

1186
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the town. How good you are?

1187
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: That is correct? Like, no disrespect to my brother charl Lewis,

1188
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: he got one hundred and twenty six million, right, doesn't

1189
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: mean he might hate Magic Johnson. Right, you know what

1190
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm right? Right, you know what I mean. That's what

1191
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: they equate because Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Gobertt is phenomenal for

1192
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 1: what he does. But Rudy Gobert makes two hundred million.

1193
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: He ain't shock right, Elijah, I'm sorry, Right, right, he's

1194
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: a hell of a player, right, And I think it

1195
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: with Ben, you know, I think if you can't shoot,

1196
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: you gotta do something else, right, and you gotta like

1197
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: you said, Draymond Green, Look, he could be an amazing

1198
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: Jennis Rodman. Right, he's a hell of a defender. Right,

1199
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: he could be Dennis Rodman, Ben Wallace and Draymond in one. Right.

1200
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: You don't need because he can facilitate. He just can't Draymond.

1201
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: It's not like Jay Draymond is out there drag it

1202
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: up threes or do it pull it up. He's just

1203
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: but but he's facilitating the officer. He could rebound the

1204
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: basketball and he can defend his off right. But I

1205
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: think I think like when you look at I got

1206
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: like Eric snow Point, he wasn't like lightsouse shooting, but

1207
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: he gonna make some. Right, Ben just gotta shoot, like

1208
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: you gotta. You know why you have to shoot, because

1209
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: if you don't take a good shot, it's it's good shot.

1210
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: It's five and four and you're not putting your offense

1211
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: your teammates in a position take it to the offensive rebound. Right.

1212
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: And when I played with Phil Jackson and Kobe, take

1213
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: all the shots then Powell gonna take some shots. I

1214
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: was always out of rhythm, so I wouldn't shoot right

1215
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: because I'm out of rhythm. Right. But then Brian Shorewood saying, Yo,

1216
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: you gotta take a shot because it's it's in rhythm.

1217
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: So Ben got he has to take those rhythm shots.

1218
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: Even if even you shoot the airball, you must take him.

1219
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: I looked, I checked his numbers. They played eleven playoff games.

1220
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: He took one shot outside of the paint and that

1221
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: was the end of the quarter. How you metter? How

1222
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not upset at that. When I'm when

1223
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm really upset if anything would Ben when he did

1224
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: have a layup, Yes, and I'm not I'm not up

1225
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: secause he didn't. Well, if I was a team at

1226
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: the back year, you gotta shoot that. But I'm more

1227
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: upset because you gotta break through whatever you're going through

1228
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: mentally and work on it right, Like, don't be listening

1229
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: to everybody else going smoke up. Yes, every athlete been

1230
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: through it where they had to seek therapy. Right, sports therapy, right,

1231
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: sports therapy the most amazing thing. That's why they have

1232
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: it right, you know what I mean? He should really

1233
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: seek it. It's not that he's psycho or that he

1234
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: got you know he's crazy. Is that sports therapy is

1235
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 1: normal and he should really consider it. If I could

1236
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: bring a twenty six year old metal world piece back

1237
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: right now, says okay, twenty six year old, and you

1238
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: can go play for any team. Who you going to

1239
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: play for? Oh, no disrespect to anybody. I'm competitive at

1240
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: twenty six. I don't want player with no All Star. Well,

1241
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: you know you're not going to a championship, right, I'm

1242
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: going to championship. How you going with a championship? Every

1243
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: team I played for in the playoffs, every team that

1244
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: I played went to the championship. You're not beating Brooklyn

1245
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: if they're healthy. You're not beating Golden State if they're healthy.

1246
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: You're not beating the Lakers. If they're healthy, you're not

1247
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: going so low. I understand you, Michael Jackson. But they

1248
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: got the Beatles over there, they got the Eagles over there.

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Speaker 1: I know that. I mean, if you if you look

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Speaker 1: at the stats when I played against a lot of

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Speaker 1: great players, to respect, sometimes they get thirty forty sounds good,

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Speaker 1: but look at the other games, right, and those numbers

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Speaker 1: was very low, Right, so you want to come back.

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Speaker 1: So it seems to me you got a problem with

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Speaker 1: the great players in today's game linking up. You don't

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Speaker 1: have a problem with it. You have problems personally. Need

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Speaker 1: you know, I told a story a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: and I tell it because I'm honored. Like so, Lebron

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Speaker 1: James hit me up one time and when he with

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Speaker 1: the cast, and I remember, I was excited because Lebron

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, even though younger I was a

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Speaker 1: big fan. Right. But but before that, I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to play with Kobe l iv Kobe. I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to play with Lebron. I want to play the team back.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play against this guys. So when Lebron

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Speaker 1: had come played the team, I was like, I can't

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Speaker 1: come play, you know, because many reasons, but I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't come. And then and then I was trying

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Speaker 1: to go to Detroitter in the end, that's where I

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Speaker 1: wanted to go, right, So that that's just that's just

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Speaker 1: in me, right. But then when when no teams wanted me,

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Speaker 1: I didn't call it back Lebron. So then the Lakers call,

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Speaker 1: I said, I gotta just go because I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I'm making a contract right, But it's not in

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Speaker 1: me to play with anyone right because I've chewed a

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Speaker 1: lot of people on in the game, like you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, I bust a lot of people that I

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Speaker 1: don't need to play with All Star at all. So, Matt,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming out. So I

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Speaker 1: want to appreciate you taking time out of your day

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Speaker 1: to stop in conversation have a drain with us. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Bruh, thank you. All my life and

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Speaker 1: running all my life sacrifice Hustle Bay the Price Wanna

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Speaker 1: Slice got the broller dice to swap all my life.

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Speaker 1: I've been runding all my life. Uh, all my life

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Speaker 1: and running all my life sacrifice Hustle Bay the Price

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Speaker 1: Wanna Slice got the broller dice to swap all my life.

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Speaker 1: I've been running in all my life