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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is thirds the October third, nineteen, season fifteen, episode
Speaker 1: number fifty. Selven, Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are lives from the s WBC Mortgage. What's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the star I like very rare fist. Let me go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got stuff. Yeah, this thing is Darre didn't even know.
Speaker 1: He was like, this's episode exact or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Whatever we're doing. We got a lot to do though,
Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about. There are lots
Speaker 1: of injury issues for this team, and we kind of
Speaker 1: I guess let's go ahead and jump right into those.
Speaker 1: Several guys did not practice yesterday, Lyle Collins to our
Speaker 1: own Crawford, Tyren Smith, and then a couple of limited
Speaker 1: guys that that just I want to get some updates
Speaker 1: on Amari Cooper. Obviously he has an ankle injury, Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup with the knee, Chris Jones with a back, to
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence with a knee, shoulder, and from what we
Speaker 1: heard this morning, additionally a hill bruise, Zach Martin with
Speaker 1: a back, Antoine Woods with a knee. I guess let's
Speaker 1: start first with just overall talking about de Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: because it was the first I'd heard of this hillbruise.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like from Garrett that's the biggest issue
Speaker 1: that he's facing right now. There's a lot of like
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with minor stuff that might not keep
Speaker 1: you out of the lineup, there's always like conflicting information. Basically.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jason Garrett does that on purpose
Speaker 1: or if he sort of gets his details mixed up.
Speaker 1: But he heard his shoulder in the game, and then
Speaker 1: there was a you know, he there was a play
Speaker 1: where he kind of collapsed in and made a tackle
Speaker 1: on the ground and you could tell it kind of
Speaker 1: messed his lower body up, and so people were saying
Speaker 1: knee and then he'll and so it's honestly, it's probably
Speaker 1: all of those things playing, but he's playing yes to
Speaker 1: just jump to the jump to the lead of the
Speaker 1: days that um Lyle Collins and Tyrone Smith are the
Speaker 1: only players on the team who were not at practice today.
Speaker 1: Lawrence is there, Gallops there, Cooper's there, Antoine Woods is there,
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford right there, Tyrone Crawford. Yeah, they're they're all
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, I mean, you know, we'll have to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on him. But there are only two
Speaker 1: players on the roster who didn't practice today, and of
Speaker 1: those two, it sounds like, again from some of the
Speaker 1: things that we've been hearing, Lyle Collins, this is this
Speaker 1: maybe a situation where they're holding him out, but he
Speaker 1: may be pretty good to go from what we saw today.
Speaker 1: I think that it suggests that he will be back.
Speaker 1: Because Connor Williams was practicing at right tackle yesterday. Today
Speaker 1: he's back at guard. Brandon Knight, their rookie, is at
Speaker 1: right tackle, and I think that that suggests that Connor
Speaker 1: needs to practice at left guard if he's going to
Speaker 1: play it, Brandon Knight can do it for this day,
Speaker 1: and maybe trying to figure out if Brandon Knight's a
Speaker 1: guy that does it well enough that might be active
Speaker 1: for this game. But I would think if if Lyell,
Speaker 1: if they were really worried about it, they would continue
Speaker 1: to work Connor Williams at right tackle unless he was
Speaker 1: terrible at it yesterday. And Brandon Knight's the guy. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we're going to see seventy
Speaker 1: one tomorrow. I think that he doesn't miss a lot,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of work. As banged up as
Speaker 1: he was a couple of years ago, he never missed
Speaker 1: a snap. He's a tough guy. He'll be out there.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be there tomorrow. I think they're
Speaker 1: trying to give him as much time to rest as
Speaker 1: back as possible, but I think he'll be there. I
Speaker 1: think I definitely think Amari Cooper and DeMarcus Lawrence aren't
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, But guess what nobody is by week five.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. I hate seeing all
Speaker 1: these back injuries, and that is something that these offense
Speaker 1: linemen have to deal with it. But when you start
Speaker 1: looking at it and talking about it on week five
Speaker 1: of the season, it's it's it's frustrating. Well to me,
Speaker 1: it's alarming in a way. They all needed. Hey, they
Speaker 1: got some sponsor on there to get some beds to
Speaker 1: help out the punters got a back injury, right I
Speaker 1: don't know what that practice, but it concerns me. I've
Speaker 1: always been very big on back injuries. I suffered from
Speaker 1: a back, so I know what that's like. And when
Speaker 1: you look at these guys and the type of things
Speaker 1: that they have to do on the field at their position,
Speaker 1: that scenario that really gets a lot of tension while playing.
Speaker 1: So the fact that we we're talking about it this
Speaker 1: early this season and that's what three guys I guess, well,
Speaker 1: Tyrn it's not a back injury, but Tyro that he
Speaker 1: has dealt with the backa and he's the one that
Speaker 1: doesn't have a back injury right now. It's insane, it's
Speaker 1: it sucks. It's not great. Back injuries suck, but it
Speaker 1: is what it is, and they're probably all going to
Speaker 1: be dealing with it all season long. Um, just grinned
Speaker 1: and fight through it the best that you can. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen this for several years at this point, and
Speaker 1: it never seems like it drastically alters the level of play.
Speaker 1: Like if Lyall's back hurts this week, then it's probably
Speaker 1: hurt at other times. Since the season started as well,
Speaker 1: and you just do the best you can to get
Speaker 1: through it. And they usually do talk to me about, Um,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup who returned to practice yesterday, what are we
Speaker 1: hearing about how he how his body responded to a
Speaker 1: day of work back out there a good today, So
Speaker 1: that that's a good sign. Don't foresee any issues there.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's ready to go. He's ready. Bryant
Speaker 1: was already giving him the green live or Sunday, Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets to do that. Apparently if he's out there,
Speaker 1: then he's probably got the green light. The thing and
Speaker 1: he said it yesterday is like the doctors told him,
Speaker 1: like you can't you can't do any damage to the knee,
Speaker 1: Like you can't hurt yourself. It's just a matter of
Speaker 1: like how much can you fight through the pain, because
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he's still in pain. It's still he's
Speaker 1: still two weeks off surgery. So I think that's just
Speaker 1: a mental thing, which again for the eighteenth time, like
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy to think that he's going to fight
Speaker 1: through the pain of just having undergone surgery. But if
Speaker 1: he can do it, he can do it. I would guess.
Speaker 1: I wonder how his game changes though, because you know,
Speaker 1: when you're injurance and it's very fresh, you're hesitant in
Speaker 1: your moves, and sometimes you notice that from guys when
Speaker 1: they're moving around on the field. I would guess he's
Speaker 1: not gonna look quite as explosive right off the bat,
Speaker 1: like and just maybe he will, but I would guess not.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, he's probably gonna need to
Speaker 1: like catch a pass and get hit and get up
Speaker 1: again before he feels like completely confident. That's just human nature.
Speaker 1: Maybe they do it today, just tackle him. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: You don't like that idea, Hey, if you see him
Speaker 1: around the billing, why don't you do it. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna if you're gonna do something that might hurt him,
Speaker 1: wait until it counts, don't do it. In practice, that
Speaker 1: would actually be pretty funny if Nick just runs up
Speaker 1: to him and tackles him. Probably replace me on the
Speaker 1: show or who moves in. I don't know if somebody
Speaker 1: would be replacing you, because I think you'd be here anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And even though the fact that it be documented on
Speaker 1: tape that my supervisor said to do that, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: Maybe that means we both would be here maybe we're botal.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take our first break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna get into day's assessment of this
Speaker 1: Green Bay defense. Today we talk about the defense versus
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense, where there might be opportunities for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: some of the players that play on that Green Bay defense,
Speaker 1: and some stats that might surprise you a little bit
Speaker 1: about how that defense stacks up. We'll do all that
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Speaker 1: the Star talking Cowboys football, Talking Cowboys versus Packers. That's
Speaker 1: happening the Sunday three thirty five is the kick time
Speaker 1: here at AT and T Stadium. Dave's gonna give us
Speaker 1: a scouting report on the Green Bay defense, Dave, the GBP.
Speaker 1: Did you see the stat from Bobby Belt I did
Speaker 1: A I did Since twenty thirteen, the Cowboys are fifteen
Speaker 1: and four at AT and T when they score thirty
Speaker 1: one and three of the four losses are to Green Bay. Yeah, yikes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In other words, hate playing these guys. Shootouts are probably
Speaker 1: not in the cards as your best chance to win.
Speaker 1: Hate hate playing them. But I came away pretty encouraged
Speaker 1: by what I saw against the GBP. D it's the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packer defense. If you're not up on the
Speaker 1: hip lingo like me, tenth in total defense, third in
Speaker 1: passing defense, one hundred and eighty eight yards per game.
Speaker 1: Why might that be? Because They're twenty sixth in the
Speaker 1: league in rushing defense, given up an average of one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two yards per game. They have eight
Speaker 1: takeaways on the season. UM, lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: talent here that depending on what you're looking at. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of like they're good and not
Speaker 1: good all at the same time. Kind of. They signed
Speaker 1: two really really good pass rushers over the offseason, the
Speaker 1: Smith brothers, Preston and Zadarius Smith. They're not actually brothers, um,
Speaker 1: really good players. They they combined for eight sacks already
Speaker 1: this season. Jayre Alexander one of the best young corners
Speaker 1: in the game. UM. Definitely in that upper echelon. Kevin
Speaker 1: King finally coming into his own after an injury played
Speaker 1: career except oh, he didn't participate in practice yesterday, had
Speaker 1: a really good game against the Philadelphia Eagles the other night.
Speaker 1: Um n, He's a guy that I always think they
Speaker 1: should have drafted over Took. That's who I wanted them
Speaker 1: to knocked over because that one, to me, that one
Speaker 1: kind of came in late, like after he had done well.
Speaker 1: It was more like they could have gotten him. Depends
Speaker 1: on who the Cowboys were not interested in. What. But
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of draft people who thought they
Speaker 1: should draft what at the time. At the time, yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely right they were, weren't there a couple of people
Speaker 1: in draft Brian and Dane were both kind of like,
Speaker 1: this is who they should draft, but they don't want
Speaker 1: a tweener. Right, it happens. It happens, a rare miss.
Speaker 1: We're moving on. That's not the point. That's not the point.
Speaker 1: King was in the consideration to King, King was who
Speaker 1: I liked, and he's been good when he's been healthy.
Speaker 1: But in the second round, he's like the first pick
Speaker 1: of the second round. He has not been healthy often
Speaker 1: enough to I mean, he's the thirty third overall pick.
Speaker 1: His career hasn't been that great. Uh. Two really good
Speaker 1: safeties Darnell Savage rookie playing really well as their free
Speaker 1: roaming kind of guy. And then they took Adrian Amos
Speaker 1: out of Chicago as they're strong. Really impressed by what
Speaker 1: I saw from him. Kenny Clark is, you know, a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber nose tackle, and you have Dean Lowry
Speaker 1: and Montevious Adams. I think Adams is a big get
Speaker 1: back for them. He played the first two weeks he
Speaker 1: missed week three and miss week four, but he did
Speaker 1: practice yesterday, so that's something to watch. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: I just listed off like this murderer's row of talent,
Speaker 1: and yet I don't know, they don't look they don't
Speaker 1: look so impressive to me when you flip it on,
Speaker 1: at least not in parts like again, really good cornerback play.
Speaker 1: Nobody's really passing the ball well on them. But how
Speaker 1: much of that is because how easy it is to
Speaker 1: run on them. We talked about this yesterday and I
Speaker 1: actually looked it up. They had a really good night
Speaker 1: defending the run against the Bears. They held him the
Speaker 1: forty seven yards on twenty two carries. Here's their rushing
Speaker 1: totals for the rest of the season. Vikings carried the
Speaker 1: ball twenty seven times for one ninety eight. Broncos carried
Speaker 1: the ball thirty eight times for one forty nine. Eagles
Speaker 1: carried the ball thirty three times for one seventy six.
Speaker 1: And when you flip this stuff on, I watched the
Speaker 1: Eagles game and I watched some Vikings snaps. They get
Speaker 1: moved off the ball off and aspect like the Vikings
Speaker 1: do not have a good offensive line like Eagles, way
Speaker 1: to go. They're great offensive line. You should win that battle.
Speaker 1: The Vikings not so much, and they were still able
Speaker 1: to move these guys off the ball, get linebackers moving
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction, create big holes. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing you see is when the like the running
Speaker 1: back hits the hole, and that's troublesome. But then when
Speaker 1: the linebackers and the defensive linemen make contact, you're seeing
Speaker 1: Jordan Howard getting four or five extra yards after that,
Speaker 1: like not very impressive tackling and not very good movement
Speaker 1: up front to not give the running back anywhere to go.
Speaker 1: So like that jumps out at you. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, let's just stick it, keep it in
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, because it seems like tight
Speaker 1: ends are a great way to go to try to
Speaker 1: get production against these guys. Because again, hobbled Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: hobbled to Maury Cooper, one of the best young corners
Speaker 1: in the game. I wonder how much out i'd passing yards.
Speaker 1: You'll be there for him. So like I'm looking at
Speaker 1: tight ends. Jason Witt and Blake Jarwin, we saw it
Speaker 1: last week. It was the only thing they did have
Speaker 1: success with. And then maybe crossing routes, Randal Cobb trying
Speaker 1: to move him across the middle of the field, maybe
Speaker 1: lose somebody in the trash. It just doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they're strong in the middle of the field as on
Speaker 1: the outside. That's kind of my my broad take. So
Speaker 1: let me ask you this on Kevin King, did you
Speaker 1: from what you saw and obviously he's he did not
Speaker 1: participate in practice yesterday, do you think that changes a
Speaker 1: lot from the standpoint of how good their past defense
Speaker 1: has been. You take somebody that again played really really
Speaker 1: well against Philadelphia, take him out of the mix. How
Speaker 1: does that depth look behind him to where does that
Speaker 1: create more opportunities to passing game than maybe they've shown
Speaker 1: in these first first three or four games. So if
Speaker 1: King can't go, it would probably be Tremon Williams, who,
Speaker 1: like you know that name. He's like, I feel like
Speaker 1: he's been in the league for like twenty years. I
Speaker 1: think you could go both ways. Is like maybe easier
Speaker 1: to beat him, but he's also like wiley veteran, He's
Speaker 1: probably got some tricks up his sleeve. What's interesting to
Speaker 1: me is they also drafted Josh Jackson out of Iowa
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, same draft as King. I believe,
Speaker 1: oh sorry, led the led college football and interceptions like
Speaker 1: great ball skills, Like he just doesn't appear to be
Speaker 1: the guy. He might be playing Nickel in this game
Speaker 1: because of the injuries they have at cornerback. They got
Speaker 1: another injury Tony Brown, it's probably not going to play
Speaker 1: in this game. And like I've listened to some Packer
Speaker 1: podcasts to kind of get a feel for their team,
Speaker 1: and they're like terrified at the thought of this guy
Speaker 1: playing Nickel, so which is a bummer for them because
Speaker 1: he was like a high second round pick. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think there are there you can exploit this
Speaker 1: matchup because they're so banged up at cornerback. If Alexander's
Speaker 1: the only one of their top guys that's playing, that's good.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, your receivers are kind of
Speaker 1: hobbled too, Like Cooper's probably not at one hundred percent
Speaker 1: Gallup definitely isn't, so I wonder if that kind of
Speaker 1: mitigates the advantage that you have in that matchup. This
Speaker 1: is a question for everybody looking at this matchup and
Speaker 1: what Dave was talking about with their their run defense,
Speaker 1: it seems like this would be a week that maybe
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offensive line can get back to what it
Speaker 1: was doing in those earlier games. If they can't, then
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. Yeah, even with all the injuries. And that's
Speaker 1: my question is do you think that with the injuries
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are sustained? Tyren Smith being the most
Speaker 1: important one, but like you said, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that are hobbled, whether they're playing or not.
Speaker 1: Do you think that this becomes a challenge even against
Speaker 1: the run defense that seems susceptible, do you think that's
Speaker 1: still a big challenge for this Cowboys offensive line. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I think that the Packers are, you know, catching a
Speaker 1: break that their run defense, which is not that great,
Speaker 1: it's going to get a player back, like like Dave said,
Speaker 1: and then also facing an offensive line that won't be
Speaker 1: as good as it normally is because Tyren Smith won't
Speaker 1: be there and why Al Collins won't be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent and I don't know if Zach Martin will be
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, there that is going to be
Speaker 1: more of a challenge than it would be. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it'll be even but I think even even
Speaker 1: when they were healthy. In the last game, they weren't
Speaker 1: performing well. So now the injuries on top of their
Speaker 1: performance from last week, and it makes it even worse.
Speaker 1: Not playing as good of the line though this week.
Speaker 1: But still, yeah, they're not as good as they were
Speaker 1: heading into that game. I just, like I said, it
Speaker 1: would be troubling if they struggled that much again, given again,
Speaker 1: these are I mean I listed it off. These aren't
Speaker 1: all great teams that were just bullying these guys. It's
Speaker 1: with the exception of Week one, it's been a theme
Speaker 1: three weeks running. Yeah, I said, sorry going If they
Speaker 1: didn't have Week one where the Bears rush for forty
Speaker 1: five yards, they would definitely be dead last. I mean,
Speaker 1: the last three weeks have been terrible for them, but
Speaker 1: they do have that forty five yard game that they
Speaker 1: stopped the Bears. Nobody was playing offense in that game,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's preventing them from being even worse. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: a couple other things I want to note. The two Smiths.
Speaker 1: They flop, so you know, it's it's not as simple
Speaker 1: as saying, oh, Cam Fleming is going to have a
Speaker 1: handful with Preston Smith. He'll probably see both of them.
Speaker 1: If I had to guess Alexander he they do like
Speaker 1: to travel him. They put him on Earth's I mean
Speaker 1: like they'll put him wherever. Not for every snap, but
Speaker 1: like they'll put him wherever. He's really good. He leads
Speaker 1: the NFL in past deflections. I saw that he is six.
Speaker 1: I mean, that didn't seem like that would be leading
Speaker 1: the NFL, but I guess after four games, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty decent amount. Yeah, this is something I noticed
Speaker 1: just watching the Eagles game. It doesn't pertain to the
Speaker 1: Packers defense so much, but I just like saw it
Speaker 1: with the Saints and then we saw it again with
Speaker 1: the I saw it with the Eagles. Is like, how
Speaker 1: come the Cowboys aren't more creative with the way they
Speaker 1: call the screen game? Seriously, no, I get it. But like,
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of people out there, I think
Speaker 1: listening right now saying oh done, Like that's what people
Speaker 1: have been asking for years. I guess, so why not.
Speaker 1: I don't like, yeah, I'm not some sort of genius,
Speaker 1: but it just sort of dawned on me. Like last
Speaker 1: night they ran a play where Jordan Howard like he
Speaker 1: did a fake fly sweep from the slot, sprinted across
Speaker 1: play action to Wins Wins. I think he faked it
Speaker 1: to the other running back and Howard sprinted out to
Speaker 1: the left and the line came with him and it
Speaker 1: turned from a fake fly sweep into a bubble screen
Speaker 1: to the running back and I was like, that's really
Speaker 1: cool and it only got like eight yards, but I
Speaker 1: was like, all the Cowboys ever due is play action
Speaker 1: fake to Zeke. He sort of trots out to his right,
Speaker 1: Dak does a loop de loop and throws it to
Speaker 1: him like that's they It's only it only ever looks
Speaker 1: that way. There's more than one way to call a screen.
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the play that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys ran they ran it in the I think
Speaker 1: the Miami game, and they tried to run it again
Speaker 1: last week where they have both Zeke and Pollard in
Speaker 1: the backfield. Pollard takes off sprinting across the offense over
Speaker 1: to the opposite side, and then Dak drops the ball
Speaker 1: to him. They didn't he didn't throw it to him
Speaker 1: this last time because a defender picked it up. But
Speaker 1: they did use and I think in the previous game,
Speaker 1: and it was first time we'd seen the two of
Speaker 1: them on the field together. I want to say that
Speaker 1: with a screen. I want to say the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: got out there and got in front of him to
Speaker 1: block hitting out the field. I think. And it sounds
Speaker 1: like the reason why I say this because it sounds
Speaker 1: exactly the way you described that play sound very similar
Speaker 1: to what they ran when they had both those guys
Speaker 1: in the backfield. It just did work. I feel like
Speaker 1: from watching the Cowboys game and then watching the Saints
Speaker 1: game against Seattle, they came up with like eight different
Speaker 1: ways to get Kimara the ball on the same concept. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't seem like the Cowboys do that.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason I bring it up is because
Speaker 1: I think that would help them. Green Bay doesn't handle
Speaker 1: blocking well. They're bad against the run, and their pass
Speaker 1: rushers are probably going to be aggressive against the team
Speaker 1: with hobbled tackles. So how do you combat that? You know, like,
Speaker 1: I would hope that way. It seems useful, whether it's
Speaker 1: with Zeke or Pollard or both. I would like to
Speaker 1: see that. I would like to think they can lean
Speaker 1: on the run game. I would like to think you
Speaker 1: can find some stuff in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: I Blake Martinez. I think he leads the league in
Speaker 1: tackles like the last two years. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't see anything from him that,
Speaker 1: you know, is like key Lesque or like Layton vander
Speaker 1: Esh where he's just snuffing stuff out. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good player, I don't know that he's on that
Speaker 1: level where he's like blowing stuff up before it develops,
Speaker 1: at least not from what I saw. So yeah, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm really impressed with Adrian Amos. That was one thing
Speaker 1: I came away with. Like he plays down in the box.
Speaker 1: I think if the Cowboys are going to run the ball,
Speaker 1: that's something they're gonna have to watch. I would guess
Speaker 1: he's going to spend a lot of time down there,
Speaker 1: and if Dak wants to run the ball, he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with him too. He made a
Speaker 1: really great play on Carson Wentz in that game where
Speaker 1: he stopped him, and Carson Wentz is a good running
Speaker 1: I mean, he can run the ball and he made
Speaker 1: a great open field play on him. So they definitely
Speaker 1: have talented players, but it hasn't come together for them perfectly.
Speaker 1: Of course, I say that they're top ten in scoring defense,
Speaker 1: so they have some guys. All right, talk me through
Speaker 1: a little bit of what your thoughts are on Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming going back to when he's played for this team
Speaker 1: and just overall in his career. What can fans expect
Speaker 1: to see from him at at left tackle this weekend,
Speaker 1: assuming Tyrn's not playing well. I wrote an article on
Speaker 1: that yesterday and he wins. Um, maybe it helps that
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's the guy that he was blocking for, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna win with you know, Dave playing left tackle. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but he's nineteen and four and his twenty three games
Speaker 1: as a starter, so and that's you know, that's not bad.
Speaker 1: Three and oh with the Cowboys last year, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a drop off, but the Cowboys have managed in
Speaker 1: all three games that they've played with him, and you
Speaker 1: know New England managed as well when he and one
Speaker 1: year he was the starter. I mean, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: they were just filling in. He was the starter. So, um,
Speaker 1: he's gonna battle and he's you know, he's not just
Speaker 1: gonna just lock people down like Tyron does. But he'll
Speaker 1: battle and he'll you know, he's he's good. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why they brought him back. I actually took it
Speaker 1: upon myself to watch. I didn't watch the Giants game,
Speaker 1: but I watched the offense snaps from the Washington and
Speaker 1: New Orleans games last year, which is when he started
Speaker 1: for Tyron, and he played pretty well. Actually, no, I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's brought this up except for me because
Speaker 1: I'm a genius. He played against Preston Smith last year.
Speaker 1: He played against Preston Smith was with the Redskins last year,
Speaker 1: and Cam Fleming started against him in November of last
Speaker 1: year and played pretty well. They gave up four sacks
Speaker 1: in that game, one of them was on Cam, but
Speaker 1: like for the most part, he handled Preston Smith very well.
Speaker 1: It was really Carrigan that did most of the damage
Speaker 1: in that game. And then against the Saints, I don't
Speaker 1: remember this. Dak actually got stacked seven times in that
Speaker 1: game and in the Saints game. None of them were
Speaker 1: Cam's fault, not, I mean, not that I saw. I
Speaker 1: thought he played really well. He dealt with Cam Jordan
Speaker 1: on occasion, he dealt with their other guy whose name
Speaker 1: I'm John blank On. But he played pretty well. Like
Speaker 1: I like, he's not gonna sabotage your game plan the
Speaker 1: way that some other offensive tackles in the past. Who
Speaker 1: will remain nameless for good reason. Yeah, all right, jobless right,
Speaker 1: jobless too? Yeah. Sure, Honestly, I'm not concerned about him.
Speaker 1: If you care about my opinion, I will tell you
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about Kim and Fleming and what he's
Speaker 1: gonna do in this game. I'm concerned about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: keeping the game clean and not getting any holding penalties
Speaker 1: or things like that that he clearly has affected them
Speaker 1: in previous games. Now, this might not be a comfortable,
Speaker 1: super comfortable game for Dak like he's had in the
Speaker 1: first games he's had. You know, the line has has
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job for him, giving him plenty
Speaker 1: of time to get rid of the ball. I don't
Speaker 1: think that will be the case this week. But well,
Speaker 1: you think you think there'll be more of a pass rush.
Speaker 1: I think I think they're gonna somehow be able to
Speaker 1: rush him a little bit, just not allow him to
Speaker 1: be as comfortable. I don't think he'll be an to
Speaker 1: the point where, Okay, they're gonna lose the game because
Speaker 1: Dak was pressured throughout the whole game. But It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a comfortable game for him where he's just
Speaker 1: sitting in the pocket finding his guys and throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: He's gonna sometimes have to kind of get out of
Speaker 1: the pocket and throw the ball on the move. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't think he'll
Speaker 1: be something that's gonna ruin his game completely. I completely
Speaker 1: agree with you and that you know, always talk about
Speaker 1: grading on a curve, Like a good game from Camp
Speaker 1: Fleming is if he gives up like a sack and
Speaker 1: a half, you know, like, these are good players he's
Speaker 1: going against. I don't expect him to shut them out.
Speaker 1: I would imagine Dak's gonna get sacked a couple times
Speaker 1: in this game. But is this a last week um
Speaker 1: or is this just about the fact that you have
Speaker 1: an offensive line that's without its best or one of
Speaker 1: its best offensive linement. I think it's a mixture of both.
Speaker 1: I would argue, like the tandem of the two Smiths
Speaker 1: is probably better from a pass rushing perspective of just
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, you know, I mean, am I completely like
Speaker 1: the Saints don't have that complimentary pass rusher that just
Speaker 1: gives you nightmares. Although Marcus Davenport actually did give Tyran
Speaker 1: Smith fits in that game, but and I guess for
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, compared also to Washington, Washington's a pretty
Speaker 1: good pass rush and it seemed like they kind of
Speaker 1: got after a little bit early, but Cowboys kind of
Speaker 1: shut him down there as the game wore on. I
Speaker 1: guess the only thing I'm wondering is it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like to me, as much as the offensive line struggled
Speaker 1: last week. It seems like to me, their issues when
Speaker 1: they've had issues, have been way more in the running
Speaker 1: game than the passing game. It seems like to me
Speaker 1: they've held them pretty well in all four games. He's
Speaker 1: been sacks how many times? For something? The gallup is
Speaker 1: a huge for this game. Gallup's got to come back
Speaker 1: and get open because you know that they're going to
Speaker 1: have to give more help to Fleming and maybe you
Speaker 1: know Lyle if he's banged up to them and they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to maybe some tight ends running backs. They're
Speaker 1: going to do that more. These receivers have got to
Speaker 1: get open one on one. So I hope, like I
Speaker 1: would like to see some screen passing. I think I
Speaker 1: just think it would go a long way, and we
Speaker 1: know that they can be really good at it. I
Speaker 1: mean they do it all the time. They scored against
Speaker 1: the Saints on a screen last year. That's yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: like to see that. Yeah. I saw a fan on
Speaker 1: Twitter talking about that yesterday, saying, what's the good of
Speaker 1: having an offensive line that's so athletic if you're not
Speaker 1: going to use them? And that's one way that you
Speaker 1: use them. You want to get them out in space
Speaker 1: and let them make some of those open field blocks.
Speaker 1: That's the point of having an athletic line. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's I think everybody probably agrees
Speaker 1: with your thought. It's just one of those things. For
Speaker 1: some reason, they have just not ever. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like since Emmett Smith they've really developed a good screen game.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and it's I know it's obvious, like I'm
Speaker 1: not saying anything nobody's ever heard before, but like you
Speaker 1: watch some of these other teams and you're like, there's
Speaker 1: so many ways to get your running back the ball,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys don't do ye. All right, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: We got a call from Eli in Corpus CHRISTI, Eli,
Speaker 1: what up is that? Where he is? Hey, guys, are
Speaker 1: y'all doing? Ladies and lady and gentlemen. What I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up is something that I'm surprised that it
Speaker 1: hasn't been brought up this year. It's been brought up
Speaker 1: before in the past, but not this year. It's the
Speaker 1: fact that we're not getting turnovers. The reason is the
Speaker 1: way we run our defense. I go back and look
Speaker 1: at every game and it's like we're teaching our players
Speaker 1: not to attack the ball, but more to let the
Speaker 1: receiver catches and then everybody rallied to the ball. And
Speaker 1: it seems to be like that for the past few years.
Speaker 1: And we keep getting told that don't worry turnovers is
Speaker 1: we'll come in bunches. Well, I've been waiting for years
Speaker 1: for those bunches to come. I mean, I'm nowhere. That's
Speaker 1: the worst, you know, But we're definitely not even in
Speaker 1: the middle or the best, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: expect to be. But I didn't like. I don't like
Speaker 1: also the fact that it seems like we're the only
Speaker 1: team that we're like first and twenty, the opposing team
Speaker 1: is on first and twenty, and on second down, now
Speaker 1: it's second and thirteen, and now on third down it's
Speaker 1: third and four. And I'm like, why don't we ever
Speaker 1: get a third and twenty? And the reason is because
Speaker 1: we're letting the receivers catch the ball and then rallying
Speaker 1: to the ball. And that works perfectly, and it's been
Speaker 1: working perfectly because we've been great on third down. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't work if DA's not on and that was
Speaker 1: pretty evident this last game. It felt like he was
Speaker 1: waiting for Cooper to break, and then once he was
Speaker 1: already out of his break, then he was throwing the
Speaker 1: ball which would get Gilmore enough time to attack him
Speaker 1: from behind. Because it seemed like that was every time.
Speaker 1: But that's all I wanted to say. Guys. Also, Cooper's
Speaker 1: dropping the way twenty balls. But I love you, guys,
Speaker 1: love this show. Like to you what you think about that?
Speaker 1: Twenty second and thirteen, third and four? And it seems
Speaker 1: to happen every single game, all right? Thanks to the call? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, what happens on third and four? He kind
Speaker 1: of I agreed with almost everything he said but he
Speaker 1: kind of switched it up, like the first seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of that call was about the defense, right, or
Speaker 1: did I totally miss that throwing in everything? Well, what
Speaker 1: I understood was he started talking about the defense and
Speaker 1: them not getting enough turnovers, and but then that doesn't
Speaker 1: work when Dak doesn't play and move the offense and
Speaker 1: benefit from what the defense is. All Right, got an
Speaker 1: interception last week? Anyway, I mean I think, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the point of his call was he thinks
Speaker 1: the issue is the way the techniques that they're using. Essentially,
Speaker 1: he thinks they're not attacking the ball enough as defensive backs.
Speaker 1: They are in situation where they just there. He again,
Speaker 1: his argument is that they're allowing the receivers to catch
Speaker 1: the ball. Didn't they rally to make the tackle rather
Speaker 1: than attacking the ball? Okay, here's a scenario then for him,
Speaker 1: first and twenty because it's a holding penalty. Okay, first
Speaker 1: and twenty and it's a five yard pass out in
Speaker 1: the flat and Cheeto just goes over the top and
Speaker 1: bats it down, but he is called for PI. So
Speaker 1: instead of being second in fourteen, it's now automatic first
Speaker 1: down and all that. So I think that's what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Is it's up been but don't break philosophy.
Speaker 1: I mean, why would you want to get a facemask
Speaker 1: penalty and just wipe out the fact that it was
Speaker 1: first in twenty I think the written off the field
Speaker 1: as good as anybody in the league. So you can
Speaker 1: talk about first down, second down, but then third and four.
Speaker 1: They're not getting it. Man, I think it works the
Speaker 1: only way you're gonna lose games if you give up
Speaker 1: really big plays. That's not the only way you lose,
Speaker 1: But if you give up big plays, it's you're gonna
Speaker 1: lose a lot faster than you would if you don't
Speaker 1: get turnover. Rod Marinelli, it's pretty evident he views it
Speaker 1: as a war of attrition, Like you've got to go
Speaker 1: seventy five yards and if you play your technique, play sound,
Speaker 1: rall the ball and tackle, even if you are letting
Speaker 1: guys pat and like, I think it's a valid point,
Speaker 1: Like that is that is how they play it. But
Speaker 1: if you make them cover every blade of grass on
Speaker 1: that seventy five yards and make them need eight to
Speaker 1: fifteen plays to do it, you're giving yourself more opportunities
Speaker 1: to capitalize on their mistakes, whether that's their protection slips
Speaker 1: and you get a sack, or there's a bobble ball
Speaker 1: that you intercept like they did the other night, or
Speaker 1: had multiple opportunities at and didn't do in Washington. You're
Speaker 1: giving yourself more opportunities to capitalize on their mistakes. The
Speaker 1: flip side is that you have to do it, and
Speaker 1: they haven't at times this season. Honestly, New Orleans is
Speaker 1: the first time they did do it. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing is, and I think it's valid, is I
Speaker 1: don't know how many genuine playmakers with genuine ball skills
Speaker 1: they have on the back end. Byron Jones has proven
Speaker 1: he can cover as well as anybody in the league.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have ball skills, he just doesn't. He's got
Speaker 1: like three interceptions in his career. Cheetos to struggle with
Speaker 1: playing the ball. I think his coverage is good more
Speaker 1: often than not, but in terms of playing the ball,
Speaker 1: you'd like to see better. Jeff Heath is what he is,
Speaker 1: which he's got a knack for being around the ball.
Speaker 1: I think the play in Washington kind of illustrates that
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have the elite type of instincts you
Speaker 1: would want from a safety who's gonna get six or
Speaker 1: seven picks a year. But it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Maybe Xavier Woods can grow into that guy. But I
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of problem with them playing that
Speaker 1: way because it's like to next point, it's worked so well.
Speaker 1: Like I get that it's frustrating, but I'd rather they
Speaker 1: do that than be given up chunk players because they're
Speaker 1: being so aggressive. Yeah, and if you look around the league,
Speaker 1: I think that's a common thing around the league watching
Speaker 1: how defensive backs play, particularly cornerbacks. A lot of teams,
Speaker 1: you see the technique they're taught is keep their eye,
Speaker 1: keep close to the defender when the ball's there, they
Speaker 1: read the cornerback, they read the receiver's eyes when the
Speaker 1: ball gets there, then put their hand between the receiver's
Speaker 1: two hands and the ball and try to rip it
Speaker 1: out like. That's how teams are making plays these days,
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily attacking the ball from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of getting the interception. The really good quarterbacks you'll see
Speaker 1: them get those interceptions. But by and large, cornerbacks, I
Speaker 1: think are being taught around the league that same technique
Speaker 1: of get in between and rip the ball out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, and look, they haven't had a safety with
Speaker 1: those types of instincts and forever everybody knows that we
Speaker 1: can amber he could have taught some of these guys
Speaker 1: some things. But you know, I mean, and you know, maybe,
Speaker 1: like I said, maybe Xavier Woods can become that guy,
Speaker 1: or maybe they'll draft one high next year or some year.
Speaker 1: But for the time being, you're working with what you got.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's take this question from Twitter from Tim Rafferty.
Speaker 1: He says, is eighty two impeding the development of eighty
Speaker 1: nine talking about Jason Witten and uh and Blake Jarlin,
Speaker 1: M not really, I don't think something eighty nine block.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You tell me. I don't, man, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's ready to just be that guy. Um.
Speaker 1: But is that because he's not been given enough opportunity?
Speaker 1: I guess that's what the question. Kind of opportunities the block?
Speaker 1: I mean, like, is he is he? I don't think,
Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, Jason Witten is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players of all time. Everyone knows that, and that's
Speaker 1: it's because he's been a really great, complete player. But
Speaker 1: what has Jason Witten done in four games that would
Speaker 1: say that he's impeding anybody. I mean, he's done more play,
Speaker 1: He's made more plays than anyone probably would have thought.
Speaker 1: And it's not just for the four yard touchdowns. I
Speaker 1: mean he's making plays down the field. Okay, he fumbled.
Speaker 1: It won't happen again until twenty twenty three, because that's
Speaker 1: what it says he won't. I mean when he'll still
Speaker 1: be playing, right yeah, yeah, and still impeding the progress
Speaker 1: of his son, you know right there. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying Jason Witten has been a pleasant surprise for
Speaker 1: me this year. I didn't expect him to be making
Speaker 1: plays like that. When he caught that ball, I was like,
Speaker 1: this guy, hold and then he fumbled. I could even
Speaker 1: get a sentence out because it got made a great play.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's impeding anybody, really, and I think
Speaker 1: Jarwin's good too, But I'm surprised at the amount of
Speaker 1: times we've actually seen Jarwin on the field. Honestly, with
Speaker 1: Jason coming back, I didn't that Jarwin to be as
Speaker 1: much on the field. Tip the words right out of
Speaker 1: my mouth, like I'm the one that I was saying,
Speaker 1: like Witten's gonna play ninety five percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: and his percentage is definitely high. But I mean, what
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at Jarwin. Jarwin's at eight catches for
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirteen yards in a touchdown right now. Like,
Speaker 1: if you told me he had that through four weeks,
Speaker 1: I would be very impressed. It sounds like a season. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's get any is even DACKI He's on pace
Speaker 1: for five hundred receiving yards. Yeah, and he's taking Witten's plays.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, like that scene right down there,
Speaker 1: I can't do that anymore. Well, I was about to say,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I'd say that,
Speaker 1: I think he can still do take into it like Jarwin.
Speaker 1: Jarwin is a more athletic tied end to go to
Speaker 1: really attack the scene. And we've seen it on a touchdown.
Speaker 1: We saw it on a near touchdown last week. That's
Speaker 1: that was Witten's play for years. It's better probably with Jarwin.
Speaker 1: But I do think two things can be true here.
Speaker 1: I do think that Jason can be playing well and
Speaker 1: still impeding the progress because I think, honestly, if you
Speaker 1: look at the history of tight ends and on this
Speaker 1: team since Jason Witten has been here. He's impeded the
Speaker 1: progress of a lot of tight ends that left here
Speaker 1: and became decent tight ends other places, decent to good
Speaker 1: tight ends other places. So my point is that it
Speaker 1: doesn't right. It is good. That means that he is
Speaker 1: good enough to hold them off and they can go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. But they're not good enough to take him
Speaker 1: off the field, right, And so they didn't go anywhere
Speaker 1: else and become zach Ertza, Winton became marchellis be one
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. So so you may not be getting you
Speaker 1: may not be getting the growth at the same trajectory
Speaker 1: for a guy like Blake Jarwin that maybe you would
Speaker 1: hope to get if Jason wasn't here taking those reps
Speaker 1: that he takes. But the good thing in all that
Speaker 1: is that Jason's actually producing. So because he's producing, there's
Speaker 1: no need to take him off I feel in order
Speaker 1: to get those extra snaps for Jarwin. I think they're
Speaker 1: doing a very good job of balancing that. I have
Speaker 1: no complaints. Jarwin has been good, Witten has been surprisingly good.
Speaker 1: They're both on the field. I wish I wish I
Speaker 1: had time to pull it up like Jarwin. Snap count
Speaker 1: has got to be at least in the twenties or thirties,
Speaker 1: I would guess, which is pretty good for your backup
Speaker 1: that like I'm yeah, yeah, I'm not special on the
Speaker 1: team where they're not doing as as much a twelve
Speaker 1: personnel as they were doing last year where you would
Speaker 1: have been like he was on the field maybe a
Speaker 1: lot more this year of doing a lot more eleven
Speaker 1: and so they're not doing any thirteen which some very little,
Speaker 1: very little, yeah, very little. I've seen that a lot
Speaker 1: go away well and you know what will we say
Speaker 1: we wanted Witten and Frederick to help with and that
Speaker 1: was the red zone. And they've done pretty well in
Speaker 1: the red zone this year. I mean, I think this
Speaker 1: last game where they go one of two, I don't
Speaker 1: remember when the field goal was for for mar was it?
Speaker 1: They were in the red zone barely so they went
Speaker 1: one of two, one of two. I mean, they're they're
Speaker 1: best in the league in the red zone, I believe,
Speaker 1: or they're certainly up there and way more time. I'm
Speaker 1: not confined and what's going on here with the red zone?
Speaker 1: If all the issues are fixed that we haven't been,
Speaker 1: you're entitled to that. Like they stay threw up a
Speaker 1: total stinker, Like you're allowed to have some reservations after.
Speaker 1: But Witten is a part of that. He scored two
Speaker 1: touchdowns and Frederick, I think you're part of that too.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what we wanted to see. And
Speaker 1: has Jarwin done anything against anyone other than the Giants? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Saints. He set up that touchdown. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: nice catch. But I'm saying, I mean he's got four touchdowns,
Speaker 1: they're all against the Giants. I mean, if we need
Speaker 1: more of a sample size for the red zone, I
Speaker 1: need more of a sample size that you know his
Speaker 1: progress is being you know, impeded here by by Whitten.
Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We are
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