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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is thirds the October third, nineteen, season fifteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number fifty. Selven, Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: We are lives from the s WBC Mortgage. What's going on? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the star I like very rare fist. Let me go, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got stuff. Yeah, this thing is Darre didn't even know.

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Speaker 1: He was like, this's episode exact or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Whatever we're doing. We got a lot to do though,

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about. There are lots

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Speaker 1: of injury issues for this team, and we kind of

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Speaker 1: I guess let's go ahead and jump right into those.

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Speaker 1: Several guys did not practice yesterday, Lyle Collins to our

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Speaker 1: own Crawford, Tyren Smith, and then a couple of limited

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Speaker 1: on Amari Cooper. Obviously he has an ankle injury, Michael

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Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence with a knee, shoulder, and from what we

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Speaker 1: heard this morning, additionally a hill bruise, Zach Martin with

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Speaker 1: start first with just overall talking about de Marcus Lawrence

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Speaker 1: because it was the first I'd heard of this hillbruise.

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Speaker 1: But it sounds like from Garrett that's the biggest issue

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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with minor stuff that might not keep

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Speaker 1: you out of the lineup, there's always like conflicting information. Basically.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Jason Garrett does that on purpose

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Speaker 1: or if he sort of gets his details mixed up.

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Speaker 1: But he heard his shoulder in the game, and then

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Speaker 1: all of those things playing, but he's playing yes to

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Speaker 1: just jump to the jump to the lead of the

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Speaker 1: days that um Lyle Collins and Tyrone Smith are the

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Speaker 1: only players on the team who were not at practice today.

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Speaker 1: Lawrence is there, Gallops there, Cooper's there, Antoine Woods is there,

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford right there, Tyrone Crawford. Yeah, they're they're all

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Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, I mean, you know, we'll have to

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Speaker 1: maybe a situation where they're holding him out, but he

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Speaker 1: may be pretty good to go from what we saw today.

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Speaker 1: I think that it suggests that he will be back.

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Speaker 1: Because Connor Williams was practicing at right tackle yesterday. Today

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Speaker 1: for this game. But I would think if if Lyell,

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of work. As banged up as

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Speaker 1: So it is what it is. I hate seeing all

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Speaker 1: Like if Lyall's back hurts this week, then it's probably

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Speaker 1: that that's a good sign. Don't foresee any issues there.

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Speaker 1: like you can't you can't do any damage to the knee,

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Speaker 1: Like you can't hurt yourself. It's just a matter of

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Speaker 1: a scouting report on the Green Bay defense, Dave, the GBP.

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Speaker 1: one and three of the four losses are to Green Bay. Yeah, yikes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In other words, hate playing these guys. Shootouts are probably

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Speaker 1: I Blake Martinez. I think he leads the league in

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Speaker 1: tackles like the last two years. But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't see anything from him that,

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Speaker 1: you know, is like key Lesque or like Layton vander

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Speaker 1: Esh where he's just snuffing stuff out. I think he's

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Speaker 1: a good player, I don't know that he's on that

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Speaker 1: level where he's like blowing stuff up before it develops,

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Speaker 1: at least not from what I saw. So yeah, I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm really impressed with Adrian Amos. That was one thing

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Speaker 1: I came away with. Like he plays down in the box.

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Speaker 1: I think if the Cowboys are going to run the ball,

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Speaker 1: that's something they're gonna have to watch. I would guess

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Speaker 1: he's going to spend a lot of time down there,

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Speaker 1: and if Dak wants to run the ball, he's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with him too. He made a

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Speaker 1: really great play on Carson Wentz in that game where

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Speaker 1: he stopped him, and Carson Wentz is a good running

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Speaker 1: I mean, he can run the ball and he made

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Speaker 1: a great open field play on him. So they definitely

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Speaker 1: have talented players, but it hasn't come together for them perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I say that they're top ten in scoring defense,

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Speaker 1: so they have some guys. All right, talk me through

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Speaker 1: a little bit of what your thoughts are on Cam

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Speaker 1: Fleming going back to when he's played for this team

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Speaker 1: and just overall in his career. What can fans expect

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Speaker 1: to see from him at at left tackle this weekend,

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Speaker 1: assuming Tyrn's not playing well. I wrote an article on

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Speaker 1: that yesterday and he wins. Um, maybe it helps that

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's the guy that he was blocking for, and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna win with you know, Dave playing left tackle. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: but he's nineteen and four and his twenty three games

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Speaker 1: as a starter, so and that's you know, that's not bad.

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Speaker 1: Three and oh with the Cowboys last year, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a drop off, but the Cowboys have managed in

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Speaker 1: all three games that they've played with him, and you

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Speaker 1: know New England managed as well when he and one

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Speaker 1: year he was the starter. I mean, it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: they were just filling in. He was the starter. So, um,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna battle and he's you know, he's not just

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Speaker 1: gonna just lock people down like Tyron does. But he'll

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Speaker 1: battle and he'll you know, he's he's good. There's a

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Speaker 1: reason why they brought him back. I actually took it

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Speaker 1: upon myself to watch. I didn't watch the Giants game,

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Speaker 1: but I watched the offense snaps from the Washington and

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Speaker 1: New Orleans games last year, which is when he started

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Speaker 1: for Tyron, and he played pretty well. Actually, no, I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody's brought this up except for me because

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Speaker 1: I'm a genius. He played against Preston Smith last year.

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Speaker 1: He played against Preston Smith was with the Redskins last year,

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Speaker 1: and Cam Fleming started against him in November of last

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Speaker 1: year and played pretty well. They gave up four sacks

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Speaker 1: in that game, one of them was on Cam, but

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Speaker 1: like for the most part, he handled Preston Smith very well.

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Speaker 1: It was really Carrigan that did most of the damage

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Speaker 1: in that game. And then against the Saints, I don't

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Speaker 1: remember this. Dak actually got stacked seven times in that

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Speaker 1: game and in the Saints game. None of them were

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Speaker 1: Cam's fault, not, I mean, not that I saw. I

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Speaker 1: thought he played really well. He dealt with Cam Jordan

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Speaker 1: on occasion, he dealt with their other guy whose name

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Speaker 1: I'm John blank On. But he played pretty well. Like

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Speaker 1: I like, he's not gonna sabotage your game plan the

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Speaker 1: way that some other offensive tackles in the past. Who

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Speaker 1: will remain nameless for good reason. Yeah, all right, jobless right,

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Speaker 1: jobless too? Yeah. Sure, Honestly, I'm not concerned about him.

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Speaker 1: If you care about my opinion, I will tell you

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Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about Kim and Fleming and what he's

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Speaker 1: gonna do in this game. I'm concerned about the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: keeping the game clean and not getting any holding penalties

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Speaker 1: or things like that that he clearly has affected them

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Speaker 1: in previous games. Now, this might not be a comfortable,

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Speaker 1: super comfortable game for Dak like he's had in the

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Speaker 1: first games he's had. You know, the line has has

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Speaker 1: done a pretty good job for him, giving him plenty

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Speaker 1: of time to get rid of the ball. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that will be the case this week. But well,

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Speaker 1: you think you think there'll be more of a pass rush.

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Speaker 1: I think I think they're gonna somehow be able to

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Speaker 1: rush him a little bit, just not allow him to

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Speaker 1: be as comfortable. I don't think he'll be an to

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Speaker 1: the point where, Okay, they're gonna lose the game because

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Speaker 1: Dak was pressured throughout the whole game. But It's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be a comfortable game for him where he's just

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Speaker 1: sitting in the pocket finding his guys and throwing the ball.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna sometimes have to kind of get out of

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Speaker 1: the pocket and throw the ball on the move. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't think he'll

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Speaker 1: be something that's gonna ruin his game completely. I completely

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Speaker 1: agree with you and that you know, always talk about

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Speaker 1: grading on a curve, Like a good game from Camp

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Speaker 1: Fleming is if he gives up like a sack and

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Speaker 1: a half, you know, like, these are good players he's

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Speaker 1: going against. I don't expect him to shut them out.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine Dak's gonna get sacked a couple times

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Speaker 1: in this game. But is this a last week um

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Speaker 1: or is this just about the fact that you have

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Speaker 1: an offensive line that's without its best or one of

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Speaker 1: its best offensive linement. I think it's a mixture of both.

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Speaker 1: I would argue, like the tandem of the two Smiths

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Speaker 1: is probably better from a pass rushing perspective of just

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Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, you know, I mean, am I completely like

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Speaker 1: the Saints don't have that complimentary pass rusher that just

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Speaker 1: gives you nightmares. Although Marcus Davenport actually did give Tyran

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Speaker 1: Smith fits in that game, but and I guess for

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Speaker 1: from that standpoint, compared also to Washington, Washington's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good pass rush and it seemed like they kind of

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Speaker 1: got after a little bit early, but Cowboys kind of

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Speaker 1: shut him down there as the game wore on. I

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Speaker 1: guess the only thing I'm wondering is it doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like to me, as much as the offensive line struggled

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Speaker 1: last week. It seems like to me, their issues when

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Speaker 1: they've had issues, have been way more in the running

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Speaker 1: game than the passing game. It seems like to me

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Speaker 1: they've held them pretty well in all four games. He's

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Speaker 1: been sacks how many times? For something? The gallup is

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Speaker 1: a huge for this game. Gallup's got to come back

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Speaker 1: and get open because you know that they're going to

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Speaker 1: have to give more help to Fleming and maybe you

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Speaker 1: know Lyle if he's banged up to them and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to maybe some tight ends running backs. They're

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Speaker 1: going to do that more. These receivers have got to

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Speaker 1: get open one on one. So I hope, like I

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00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: would like to see some screen passing. I think I

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00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: just think it would go a long way, and we

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00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: know that they can be really good at it. I

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Speaker 1: mean they do it all the time. They scored against

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Speaker 1: the Saints on a screen last year. That's yeah, I'd

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00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: like to see that. Yeah. I saw a fan on

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Speaker 1: Twitter talking about that yesterday, saying, what's the good of

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Speaker 1: having an offensive line that's so athletic if you're not

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Speaker 1: going to use them? And that's one way that you

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Speaker 1: use them. You want to get them out in space

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Speaker 1: and let them make some of those open field blocks.

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Speaker 1: That's the point of having an athletic line. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's I think everybody probably agrees

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Speaker 1: with your thought. It's just one of those things. For

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Speaker 1: some reason, they have just not ever. It doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like since Emmett Smith they've really developed a good screen game.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and it's I know it's obvious, like I'm

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Speaker 1: way we run our defense. I go back and look

640
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: at every game and it's like we're teaching our players

641
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: not to attack the ball, but more to let the

642
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: receiver catches and then everybody rallied to the ball. And

643
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: it seems to be like that for the past few years.

644
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: And we keep getting told that don't worry turnovers is

645
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: we'll come in bunches. Well, I've been waiting for years

646
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: for those bunches to come. I mean, I'm nowhere. That's

647
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: the worst, you know, But we're definitely not even in

648
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: the middle or the best, you know, and I don't

649
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: expect to be. But I didn't like. I don't like

650
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: also the fact that it seems like we're the only

651
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: team that we're like first and twenty, the opposing team

652
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: is on first and twenty, and on second down, now

653
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: it's second and thirteen, and now on third down it's

654
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: third and four. And I'm like, why don't we ever

655
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: get a third and twenty? And the reason is because

656
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: we're letting the receivers catch the ball and then rallying

657
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: to the ball. And that works perfectly, and it's been

658
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: working perfectly because we've been great on third down. But

659
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't work if DA's not on and that was

660
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: pretty evident this last game. It felt like he was

661
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: waiting for Cooper to break, and then once he was

662
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: already out of his break, then he was throwing the

663
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: ball which would get Gilmore enough time to attack him

664
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Speaker 1: from behind. Because it seemed like that was every time.

665
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: But that's all I wanted to say. Guys. Also, Cooper's

666
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: dropping the way twenty balls. But I love you, guys,

667
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: love this show. Like to you what you think about that?

668
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Twenty second and thirteen, third and four? And it seems

669
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: to happen every single game, all right? Thanks to the call? Well,

670
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: I mean, what happens on third and four? He kind

671
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: of I agreed with almost everything he said but he

672
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: kind of switched it up, like the first seventy five

673
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: percent of that call was about the defense, right, or

674
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: did I totally miss that throwing in everything? Well, what

675
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: I understood was he started talking about the defense and

676
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: them not getting enough turnovers, and but then that doesn't

677
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: work when Dak doesn't play and move the offense and

678
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: benefit from what the defense is. All Right, got an

679
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: interception last week? Anyway, I mean I think, I think, yeah,

680
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: I think the point of his call was he thinks

681
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: the issue is the way the techniques that they're using. Essentially,

682
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: he thinks they're not attacking the ball enough as defensive backs.

683
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: They are in situation where they just there. He again,

684
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: his argument is that they're allowing the receivers to catch

685
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: the ball. Didn't they rally to make the tackle rather

686
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: than attacking the ball? Okay, here's a scenario then for him,

687
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: first and twenty because it's a holding penalty. Okay, first

688
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: and twenty and it's a five yard pass out in

689
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: the flat and Cheeto just goes over the top and

690
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: bats it down, but he is called for PI. So

691
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: instead of being second in fourteen, it's now automatic first

692
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: down and all that. So I think that's what you're

693
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Is it's up been but don't break philosophy.

694
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean, why would you want to get a facemask

695
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: penalty and just wipe out the fact that it was

696
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: first in twenty I think the written off the field

697
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: as good as anybody in the league. So you can

698
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: talk about first down, second down, but then third and four.

699
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: They're not getting it. Man, I think it works the

700
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: only way you're gonna lose games if you give up

701
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: really big plays. That's not the only way you lose,

702
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: But if you give up big plays, it's you're gonna

703
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: lose a lot faster than you would if you don't

704
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: get turnover. Rod Marinelli, it's pretty evident he views it

705
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: as a war of attrition, Like you've got to go

706
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: seventy five yards and if you play your technique, play sound,

707
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: rall the ball and tackle, even if you are letting

708
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: guys pat and like, I think it's a valid point,

709
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: Like that is that is how they play it. But

710
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: if you make them cover every blade of grass on

711
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: that seventy five yards and make them need eight to

712
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: fifteen plays to do it, you're giving yourself more opportunities

713
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: to capitalize on their mistakes, whether that's their protection slips

714
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: and you get a sack, or there's a bobble ball

715
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: that you intercept like they did the other night, or

716
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: had multiple opportunities at and didn't do in Washington. You're

717
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: giving yourself more opportunities to capitalize on their mistakes. The

718
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: flip side is that you have to do it, and

719
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: they haven't at times this season. Honestly, New Orleans is

720
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: the first time they did do it. And then the

721
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: other thing is, and I think it's valid, is I

722
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: don't know how many genuine playmakers with genuine ball skills

723
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: they have on the back end. Byron Jones has proven

724
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: he can cover as well as anybody in the league.

725
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't have ball skills, he just doesn't. He's got

726
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: like three interceptions in his career. Cheetos to struggle with

727
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: playing the ball. I think his coverage is good more

728
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: often than not, but in terms of playing the ball,

729
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: you'd like to see better. Jeff Heath is what he is,

730
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: which he's got a knack for being around the ball.

731
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: I think the play in Washington kind of illustrates that

732
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have the elite type of instincts you

733
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: would want from a safety who's gonna get six or

734
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: seven picks a year. But it is what it is.

735
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: Maybe Xavier Woods can grow into that guy. But I

736
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of problem with them playing that

737
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: way because it's like to next point, it's worked so well.

738
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Speaker 1: Like I get that it's frustrating, but I'd rather they

739
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: do that than be given up chunk players because they're

740
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: being so aggressive. Yeah, and if you look around the league,

741
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a common thing around the league watching

742
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: how defensive backs play, particularly cornerbacks. A lot of teams,

743
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: you see the technique they're taught is keep their eye,

744
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: keep close to the defender when the ball's there, they

745
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: read the cornerback, they read the receiver's eyes when the

746
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: ball gets there, then put their hand between the receiver's

747
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: two hands and the ball and try to rip it

748
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: out like. That's how teams are making plays these days,

749
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily attacking the ball from the standpoint

750
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: of getting the interception. The really good quarterbacks you'll see

751
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: them get those interceptions. But by and large, cornerbacks, I

752
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: think are being taught around the league that same technique

753
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: of get in between and rip the ball out. Yeah.

754
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean, and look, they haven't had a safety with

755
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: those types of instincts and forever everybody knows that we

756
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: can amber he could have taught some of these guys

757
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: some things. But you know, I mean, and you know, maybe,

758
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: like I said, maybe Xavier Woods can become that guy,

759
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: or maybe they'll draft one high next year or some year.

760
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: But for the time being, you're working with what you got.

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00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: All right, Let's take this question from Twitter from Tim Rafferty.

762
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: He says, is eighty two impeding the development of eighty

763
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: nine talking about Jason Witten and uh and Blake Jarlin,

764
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: M not really, I don't think something eighty nine block.

765
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. You tell me. I don't, man, I

766
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: don't think he's ready to just be that guy. Um.

767
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: But is that because he's not been given enough opportunity?

768
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: I guess that's what the question. Kind of opportunities the block?

769
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 1: I mean, like, is he is he? I don't think,

770
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, Jason Witten is one of my

771
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: favorite players of all time. Everyone knows that, and that's

772
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: it's because he's been a really great, complete player. But

773
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: what has Jason Witten done in four games that would

774
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: say that he's impeding anybody. I mean, he's done more play,

775
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: He's made more plays than anyone probably would have thought.

776
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: And it's not just for the four yard touchdowns. I

777
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: mean he's making plays down the field. Okay, he fumbled.

778
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: It won't happen again until twenty twenty three, because that's

779
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: what it says he won't. I mean when he'll still

780
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: be playing, right yeah, yeah, and still impeding the progress

781
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: of his son, you know right there. I mean, I'm

782
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: just saying Jason Witten has been a pleasant surprise for

783
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: me this year. I didn't expect him to be making

784
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: plays like that. When he caught that ball, I was like,

785
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: this guy, hold and then he fumbled. I could even

786
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: get a sentence out because it got made a great play.

787
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's impeding anybody, really, and I think

788
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Jarwin's good too, But I'm surprised at the amount of

789
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: times we've actually seen Jarwin on the field. Honestly, with

790
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Jason coming back, I didn't that Jarwin to be as

791
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: much on the field. Tip the words right out of

792
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: my mouth, like I'm the one that I was saying,

793
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: like Witten's gonna play ninety five percent of the snaps

794
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: and his percentage is definitely high. But I mean, what

795
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at Jarwin. Jarwin's at eight catches for

796
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirteen yards in a touchdown right now. Like,

797
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: if you told me he had that through four weeks,

798
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: I would be very impressed. It sounds like a season. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

799
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Speaker 1: And he's get any is even DACKI He's on pace

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Speaker 1: for five hundred receiving yards. Yeah, and he's taking Witten's plays.

801
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, like that scene right down there,

802
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: I can't do that anymore. Well, I was about to say,

803
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I'd say that,

804
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: I think he can still do take into it like Jarwin.

805
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: Jarwin is a more athletic tied end to go to

806
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: really attack the scene. And we've seen it on a touchdown.

807
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: We saw it on a near touchdown last week. That's

808
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: that was Witten's play for years. It's better probably with Jarwin.

809
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: But I do think two things can be true here.

810
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: I do think that Jason can be playing well and

811
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: still impeding the progress because I think, honestly, if you

812
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: look at the history of tight ends and on this

813
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: team since Jason Witten has been here. He's impeded the

814
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: progress of a lot of tight ends that left here

815
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: and became decent tight ends other places, decent to good

816
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: tight ends other places. So my point is that it

817
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: doesn't right. It is good. That means that he is

818
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: good enough to hold them off and they can go

819
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: somewhere else. But they're not good enough to take him

820
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: off the field, right, And so they didn't go anywhere

821
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: else and become zach Ertza, Winton became marchellis be one

822
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. So so you may not be getting you

823
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: may not be getting the growth at the same trajectory

824
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: for a guy like Blake Jarwin that maybe you would

825
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: hope to get if Jason wasn't here taking those reps

826
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: that he takes. But the good thing in all that

827
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: is that Jason's actually producing. So because he's producing, there's

828
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: no need to take him off I feel in order

829
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: to get those extra snaps for Jarwin. I think they're

830
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: doing a very good job of balancing that. I have

831
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: no complaints. Jarwin has been good, Witten has been surprisingly good.

832
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: They're both on the field. I wish I wish I

833
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: had time to pull it up like Jarwin. Snap count

834
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: has got to be at least in the twenties or thirties,

835
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I would guess, which is pretty good for your backup

836
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: that like I'm yeah, yeah, I'm not special on the

837
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: team where they're not doing as as much a twelve

838
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: personnel as they were doing last year where you would

839
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: have been like he was on the field maybe a

840
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: lot more this year of doing a lot more eleven

841
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: and so they're not doing any thirteen which some very little,

842
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: very little, yeah, very little. I've seen that a lot

843
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: go away well and you know what will we say

844
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: we wanted Witten and Frederick to help with and that

845
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: was the red zone. And they've done pretty well in

846
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: the red zone this year. I mean, I think this

847
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: last game where they go one of two, I don't

848
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: remember when the field goal was for for mar was it?

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Speaker 1: They were in the red zone barely so they went

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Speaker 1: one of two, one of two. I mean, they're they're

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Speaker 1: best in the league in the red zone, I believe,

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Speaker 1: or they're certainly up there and way more time. I'm

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Speaker 1: not confined and what's going on here with the red zone?

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Speaker 1: If all the issues are fixed that we haven't been,

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Speaker 1: you're entitled to that. Like they stay threw up a

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Speaker 1: total stinker, Like you're allowed to have some reservations after.

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Speaker 1: But Witten is a part of that. He scored two

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Speaker 1: touchdowns and Frederick, I think you're part of that too.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of what we wanted to see. And

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Speaker 1: has Jarwin done anything against anyone other than the Giants? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Saints. He set up that touchdown. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: nice catch. But I'm saying, I mean he's got four touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: they're all against the Giants. I mean, if we need

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Speaker 1: more of a sample size for the red zone, I

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Speaker 1: need more of a sample size that you know his

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Speaker 1: progress is being you know, impeded here by by Whitten.

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Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We are

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow. Yeah. Actually, our time's going to change a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Tomorrow. We will be starting at noon. Actually

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Speaker 1: for the next three Fridays, we will be starting at noon.

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Speaker 1: So makes you check us out then to live for

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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman in locker room tomorrow. We got all right,

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Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. We'll good, We'll figure it out,

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Speaker 1: all right. For Dave Hellman, Nick Eatman, Amber Garcia. I'm

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