1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ Bucky 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: together in studio. Buck. How you doing. Yeah, I mean 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 2: there's been a lot times as you've been in the city. 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: We got all the equipment and all the stuff ready, 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: so this would be fine. 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I must be in Rosenthal's chair. This 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: thing is a little high. Dropped this down a little bit, 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: wrot this down a little bit. I mean, my knees 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: are hitting the top of this desk here. 11 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Good night. 12 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Well, I don't believe that that's Hans's chair. That's that's 13 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: some bad information. I want to talk about some quarterbacks today. 14 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the draft, and I want 15 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: to throw some things at you and see what you think. 16 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: Here. 17 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Let's start and let's go through some of these teams, 18 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: and let's go over the decision that's going to be 19 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: made and the guys who will be in the mix 20 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: here right, let's start here at the very top. 21 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. 22 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: No reasonably there's anything other than that that's going to 23 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: take place. So I'll turn the topic this way. If you, 24 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: if you are the Chicago Bears, and we see this 25 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: run on quarterbacks, what do you think about at nine saying, 26 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: you know what, we might have a chance to go 27 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: up and get whoever our number one wide receiver is 28 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: to add to this group around Caleb and come back 29 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: up to four or five if those teams want to dance. 30 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: So really, it's really interesting because a lot of it 31 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: would depend on how do they have those wide receivers 32 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: graded in the room. But let's just say if the 33 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: quarterbacks go one, two, three, four, you there at number five, 34 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: presuming that they have a higher grade on Marvin Harrison 35 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: junior to anybody else. That is really interesting. I mean, 36 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: that is a really interesting thing. Depending on how much 37 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: is that going to cost to move up from nine 38 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: to five, It wouldn't have seemed to be a lot. 39 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: And we're talking about the Chargers specifically. It still keeps 40 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: them in range to have the options open on whether 41 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: it's a tackle, a defensive playmaker and everything. It seems 42 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: like a doable deal. So yes, if I am Ryan 43 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: Poles and I feel that strongly about the number one 44 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: player or the number one wide receiver compared to everybody else, yeah, 45 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: I'll make them both. 46 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: I think Houston last year right to come back and 47 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: get those two cornerstones. And now you look at them, CJ. 48 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Straubwill Anderson, two cornerstone players. When are we gonna have 49 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: this opportunity again to infuse the franchise of this much 50 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: energy and juice. 51 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: And we don't believe that we're going to be in 52 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: this spot anymore. Because we get these two players to 53 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: go with the rest of the stuff that we've done, 54 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: we should be able to play at a high level. 55 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: I agree with that, DJ, particularly because we've talked about 56 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: it in this class where we talked about the depth 57 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: of the class being top heavy, where the first three 58 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: rounds we're good, then it kind of falls off a cliff. 59 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 2: If I am Ryan Pols and I know that Look, 60 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: there's a significant drop off after a certain point. Man, 61 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: you can have as many of those picks down at 62 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: the bottom of the draft as you want. We want 63 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: to move up and get our guys. And I am 64 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: always an avocate over players over pace, give me the 65 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: good players. I don't need as many picks if I 66 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: can get the good players. So yeah, I'm okay with it. 67 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting decision for them to make. 68 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: All Right, we get to Washington too. Everything that I'm 69 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: I've heard is that they are sticking and picking. You 70 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: know that that pick is not for sale. They have 71 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: set up this offseason to have a somewhat of a 72 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: soft landing spot for the quarterback there. I do find 73 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: a peculiar that they moved Sam Howell when they did, 74 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: because Mariota, I don't know, do you want to trot 75 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: Mario like I don't. To me, you got to have 76 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna come play then, because you're not 77 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: going to wait for him. I don't think Mariota's gonna 78 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: hold off whoever they pick at number two, do you know. 79 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: I don't think so. And I think we've seen Mariota 80 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: have opportunities. You saw him have opportunities in Atlanta. We've 81 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: seen him have other opportunities, and he hasn't been able 82 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: to kind of hold onto that QB one spot. To me, 83 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: if they're taking somebody, you have to take him with 84 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: the expectation of playing and playing right away. Uh. That's 85 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: why I think experience matters, which is why I believe 86 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: you've been going and Daniels would be the pig there. 87 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: The other thing, in a weird way, when it comes 88 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: to Drake May versus dead is like man, Sam Howe's 89 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: his bad, I mean, his best. 90 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: But that's why I was thinking about Drake May though, 91 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: because I didn't think it would make sense for them 92 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: to have Sam Howell there. 93 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: That would have been an uncomfortable awkward I still think 94 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: it's that awkward, like a Drake you want to take 95 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: my house in DC? Uh? 96 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: Well, I mean because you're there's two points to make. 97 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: You're saying while they double up on the Carolina guys. 98 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Where I'm saying, I think if you were going to 99 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: take Drake May, it would have been awkward to have 100 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: Sam in there. 101 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that. 102 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: When that when that happened, I kind of that's, to 103 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: be honest with me, that's one of the reasons these 104 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: mock drafts. So I've had Drake going there because that 105 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't wrap my brain round. Like if you have 106 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels and say, even you're going to start in 107 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: Game one, something happens to him, I'd rather go to 108 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: Sam Howell than to Marcus Mariota. 109 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: Because I think I think Sam Howe has proven that 110 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: he can play in this league, Like regardless of where 111 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: you think it was, like at the highest level or whatever. 112 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: I think he's been a fairly successful player given the circumstances. 113 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: I was surprised that they moved him, and moved him 114 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: so early in the process. I thought they would wait 115 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: and probably get the greatest sense of how they would 116 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: be able to construct the team before they moved them 117 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: to Yet. 118 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, think when you looking at quarterbacks too, you've got starters, 119 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: you've got bridge quarterbacks, and you've got backups. And the 120 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: difference between a bridge quarterback and a backup like a 121 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 1: bridge Like, I'm good with him getting on the field. 122 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: The backup is you're here as a as a coach 123 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: with a uniform, you know what I mean. Like, I 124 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: feel like Mariota is more of a backup than he 125 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: is a bridge quarter I don't really want to run 126 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota out there for six eight weeks. 127 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's what I'm thinking. I don't think. 128 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: I think whoever's to pick, he's going to have every 129 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: opportunity to win the job in training camp, and if 130 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: it's close, he's going to get the job. We talk 131 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: about red shirt and guys and doing all the things. 132 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: I don't think Washington is gonna be a situation like that, 133 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: I think it's also apparent that they want to play 134 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: someone young. But we can think about Cliff Kingsbury coming 135 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: on board and how he was able to get Kyler 136 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: Murray up and running. The expectation is that the young 137 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: quarterback who comes in there, he's gonna play. He's gonna 138 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: play from day one. 139 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: So we get to the Patriots and there's lots of 140 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: theories that are floating around out there. Let me give 141 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: you one of them here with them, which was if 142 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: we're if we're looking at picks that are for sale 143 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: and you look at two there say everybody says no, right, 144 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: then you look at what could happen at three? And 145 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf is there, who you know and you know 146 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: the background that he has and where he's come from. 147 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: And one of the things that was brought up to 148 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: me was if you look at him in Cleveland was 149 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, right, So he was there as the assistant 150 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: GM under Dorsey. They had in that class. You know, 151 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: Sam Donald was there, Josh Allen was there, Baker Mayfield 152 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: was there, Rosen that was Lamar, all those guys they 153 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: chose bakerh And so the thought that was presented to me. 154 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: The idea was, if you didn't love Josh Allen and 155 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: you chose Baker over him, you're not going to be 156 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: a Drake May team. 157 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see that. 158 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: So that was what came to me, which was, okay, 159 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: if Jaden was there at three. The thought was, okay, 160 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: New England takes takes Jayden. Yeah, if Jaden goes two, 161 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden three were we might not 162 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: be a Drake May team. 163 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: We might be open for business. Might be open for business. 164 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: With the thought with the thought, one of the thoughts 165 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: being if we get if we have a couple teams 166 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: that want to dance, and the teams that are out there, 167 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: the Giants are mentioned the most, the Vikings are mentioned 168 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: the most. Those two teams. Yeah, I've heard the Patriots 169 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: could be a JJ McCarthy team. They don't necessarily want 170 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: to take JJ McCarthy at three. If this is the scenario, 171 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: and we're throwing out there, if you don't want to 172 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: take him at three, you make the deal with the 173 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: Giants at six, I get a little extra sugar, which 174 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: I think that's Sam Donald trade. Remember when they went 175 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: up to six to three with the Colts. I believe 176 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: that was three twos, right, They had two twos that 177 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: year and I think at two the next year it 178 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: might have been, Yeah, something like that. The Giants have 179 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: a couple twos this year, so it wouldn't cost the 180 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: Giants a first round pack still. 181 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: Get the player that they want. Four. The Cardinals aren't 182 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: going to do it. It's one outside of if someone 183 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: outside of the Patriots, are they going to you worry 184 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: about the vikings, then maybe coming up in front of you, 185 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: that would be it. But then if you're willing to 186 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: move back and you're comfortable if that doesn't happen, right, 187 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: that's what it means, if you're willing to move back 188 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: to that like there are another player, there's a clump 189 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: of players that hey, we would like to get the 190 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: quarterback here, but maybe we don't love the quarterback enough 191 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: to stick and pick at three. That's what it's saying 192 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: to me, like, hey, you know so, so. 193 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: Let me let me give you the options here. I'm 194 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: gonna put you in the in the in the pay chair. 195 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Let's assume you decide we're going to trade out we 196 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: don't like what we have here, and let's assume we 197 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: don't know where they are in the other court back. 198 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: We don't know if they like JJ McCarthy or yeah, 199 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: they're comfortable saying if we don't get one, we don't 200 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: get one. Maybe and they're they're like, hey, we'll take 201 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: a shot at one of these second tier guys. 202 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: Yep. 203 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: If I told you move back, what I just with 204 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: the compensation for six the Vikings, which you know is 205 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: a nice collection, maybe you can swing those two ones 206 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: coming from them. Probably, I'm sure you would be able to. 207 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: And then but I said, or you could go for 208 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: the Kings ransom and go to the Raiders at thirteen. 209 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: The Raiders come up to three. And now you're talking 210 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: about first round picks for several years here. Well, yeah, 211 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: so they have they hold all the cars, and a 212 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: lot of it depends on what do they feel like 213 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: about this class. And if you're the Raiders, I think 214 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: in dealing with the Raiders the Patriots, it depends on 215 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: which quarterback is available. So let's just connect some dots 216 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: without really knowing. H Antonio Pierce recruited Jade and Daniels. 217 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: Let's just say jayde and Daniels is available three. Does 218 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: that mean that you're the Raiders. Hey, we'll give up 219 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: everything to go and get this guy as our quarterback 220 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: of the future, and you're the Patriots, You're like, we 221 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 2: like him, but man, it's all it's a big hall. 222 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: We can go and get some other players at marquee 223 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: positions and then come back and kind of circle back 224 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: and get the quarterback either this year, unless you we 225 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: feel comfortable with Jacoby said as a bridge starter, so 226 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: maybe that lessens the need to have to get a 227 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 2: young quarterback this year or early. Yeah, I think I 228 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: think it could be interesting. I think a lot of 229 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: it depends on how it falls at two, like Anomino's 230 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: falling early will dictate how a lot of stray stuff 231 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: happened with the Raiders. 232 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: It feels like if if Jaden's there, that feels like 233 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: the connections you just mentioned, that's a team dog. 234 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: Keep an eye on if Drake May's are. I don't 235 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: necessarily see the Raiders making that move. No, I don't 236 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: think so, just because it's not a direct tide that 237 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: you can link it up. The reason why we can 238 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: talk about the Vikings is because there's a connection between 239 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: Josh McCown having coached Drake May uh in high school. Uh, 240 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: Drake May appearing to have some of the prototypical stuff 241 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: that you would love to which if you're Kevin O'Connell 242 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: having Sam Donnell in the fold where you don't have 243 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: to play him right away, there's more stuff that would 244 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: seemingly point to the Vikings making that move. If Drake 245 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: may is available at three or four, than the raid 246 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: is moving up. Yeah. 247 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: So those are those are the teams. They're positioned three 248 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: top three. It sounds like both Arizona and the Chargers 249 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: would be willing to get the heck out of there 250 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: if somebody wants to come up for one of these quarterbacks. 251 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: So let me just hit you on that question real quick. 252 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: No one will you're trading off of, which would be 253 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior. Are you comfortable with that? Knowing where 254 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: Arizona is is a team right now, Knowing where the 255 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Chargers are as a team right now. 256 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: I think for both of them, you're fine. I think 257 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: if you are, and we've talked about the depth of 258 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: the class now is looking at what do we need 259 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: of the position? I think Arizona's situation is different than 260 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: I would say the Chargers position when it comes to 261 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: wide receiver. So when you're the Cardinals, and you're looking 262 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: around and you're trying to man, who are gonna play with? Like, 263 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: we don't really have anybody. We would be giving up 264 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: a true number one to move into position to take 265 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: a bunch of picks. But what are we going to 266 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: be left with playing with our quarterback calling Murray who 267 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon appears to be all in on. You're the Chargers. 268 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: You're shifting the way that you play in a way anyway. 269 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: So the receiver is important, but it's not what it 270 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: was under previous regime, where it's about the pass catches, 271 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: the quarterback. We're gonna throw it a bunch. The feeling 272 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: that we get the charge is going to be more 273 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: of an old school traditional run the football. We're going 274 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: to throw, but we're gonna throw more as we dictate 275 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: the terms, as opposed to throwing thirty five to forty times. 276 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: To me, the Chargers have more flexibility to be like, 277 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: we'll punt on Marvin Harrison. We like him, but we 278 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: don't need him to do what we want to do 279 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: on how we want to do it, the way I 280 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: would explain it. 281 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: On the Chargers side of things, and talking to people 282 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: that are tied in with Michigan. They it was explaining 283 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: to me this way, which I thought was a great 284 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: way to put it. There's gonna be two games a year, 285 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, on Michigan's schedule. You know you're thinking about 286 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: Penn State, Ohio State. We gotta do a little outside 287 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: of those two games we played Michigan. That's it. It's 288 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Michigan football. And I don't need you to do anything 289 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: other than as a quarterback, we were gonna beat you up. 290 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna run the ball, We're not gonna turn it over. 291 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: We're gonna play great defense, We're gonna keep the score 292 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: down and we don't. That's we can win the majority 293 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: of our games that way if you build it that way. 294 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: And the other way I would put is like with 295 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, and it's I think it's gonna take him 296 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: a couple of years to get there. I think some 297 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: people think this just just happens. They got to build 298 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: it out, But I think they want to continue to 299 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: build up the defense. I think they want to build 300 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: up that offensive line, which we've talked a bunch about. 301 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: And I think the visual I would give you is 302 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: in the past, Justin Herbert's had to be Superman eighty 303 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: percent of the time and Clark Kent twenty percent of 304 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: the time. They want him to be Clark Kent seventy 305 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: five eighty percent of the time and then a couple 306 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: times a game and against a couple of the better teams. 307 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 2: Okay, you gotta be Superman in these moments. I think 308 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: we talked about it. We talked about in terms. I 309 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: know we had the conversation about Aaron Rodgers, and as 310 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers a's out at four time MVP. You don't 311 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: want him necessarily to have to carry the team the 312 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: entire schedule, but four or five games a year, I 313 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: need him to show up and be the special Aaron Rodgers. 314 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: I think the Chargers want to get to the point 315 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: where that's what Justin Herbert does. He is the he Look, 316 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: we'll break him out if we need to, but if 317 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 2: we don't have to break the glass, not gonna do it. 318 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: We're not gonna do it. And Jim Harbout, being a 319 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: former quarterback, I think he understands and appreciates that more 320 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: than anything. Let's not unnecessarily tax the quarterback. Let's have 321 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: a team that can win without the quarterback being the 322 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 2: primary driving force of the offense. But if we need it, 323 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: we can go to it. So that makes sense. And 324 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: I do like that intel about Michigan and Michigan football, like, oh, 325 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: you know, Penn State, Ohier State, everybody else, everybody else, 326 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: we gonna line up and do what we do. Yeah. 327 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: And one of the things that's fascinating about JJ McCarthy. 328 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: Give you an example. I pulled up the game here, 329 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: Penn State Chop Robinson. They couldn't block him, Yeah, couldn't 330 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: block him. So you know what Michigan said, we can 331 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: run the football. We're gonna throw the about eight times. 332 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: Were gonna run the football, and we are gonna run 333 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: it forty six times. And because that's the way we 334 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: win this game, and it's gonna be Michigan football. 335 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna do, and we're about winning. And 336 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: what they did in the second half of the game, 337 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: I think they ran thirty it was thirty two straight 338 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: runs in the second half and with the Neil down 339 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: or whatever, and that's how they went because at the 340 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: end of the day, for them, style points didn't matter. 341 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: They just wanted to win the football game. And there's 342 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: something to be said for a head coach and even 343 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: a quarterback thatck in, Okay, we gotta do to win this. 344 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: This is one of the ways it was described to 345 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: me too on that front about JJ McCarthy specifically, was 346 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: in practice every day they threw the ball in the 347 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: red zone and did just reped it over and over again, 348 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: and the and the whole message was guys, maybe just 349 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: Ohio State, but once we get into the playoff, we're 350 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to just mash people in the 351 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: red zone. We can't just give it to Blake corm 352 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: But they would. They would rep that and then go 353 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: through the whole season and not need it, and then 354 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you find yourself against an Alabama 355 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: and a Rose and you need to make it play 356 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: down there, you make some plays. So it was like, yeah, 357 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't technically have that experience, but he had that 358 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: experience every single day in practice. It was like you said, 359 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: in case of emergency break lass, we are not doing it. 360 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: And I love the that's the way they described it. 361 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: I love that phras. It was like, hey, look we're 362 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: playing Rutgers in October. It's Michigan football. Yeah, that's it. 363 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: You just keep it, keep it simple. Don't try and 364 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: do too much, don't complicate it. Hey, this way we 365 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: we canna line up, were gonna run the football. Make 366 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: sure it's a clean game, yep. Don't try to play 367 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: great defense and whatever it looks like. If it's twenty 368 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: to three, so that's fine, We're okay, We're okay. 369 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: We don't need to be a forty five to three game. 370 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: We're about winning, and it has been a really successful 371 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: formula for Michigan in the last two years. If you 372 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: go back and really look at how he won at Stanford, 373 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: how he won with the San Francisco forty nine. It's 374 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: a it's a recipe that is certainly a big part 375 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: of his cookbook. 376 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so one of the things, the last thing 377 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: on the Chargers will move it forward. But was Hey, 378 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: everybody's talking about offensive line. Everybody's talking about do they 379 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: take a receiver. He's like, Hey, look at the forty 380 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: nine teams. That defense was stacked, So don't be surprised 381 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: if they are able to trade back. If this isn't 382 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, a corner, defensive tackle, edge rusher or something 383 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: like that. 384 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: Either that makes sense. It does make sense. And let's 385 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: look at those Michigan teams and look at the players, 386 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: and the top players that they have in the draft 387 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: are their defensive players. And this is Offen. He certainly 388 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: has an appreciation for defense and how defense gives them 389 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: a chance. All right, let's go. 390 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: We talked about the Giants potentially as a team could 391 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: move up. I think I would keep an eye on 392 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: like Drake May for them would make some sense. 393 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: I don't you know. Is JJ McCarthy there when they pick? 394 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: Does that influence what they want to do? I don't know. 395 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: They have some whiteouts they're gonna have be trd to 396 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: turn off of. You know, if you if you don't 397 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: love the quarterback, you're gonna have some big time points. 398 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: You struggling. You haven't had number more receiver. Let's be honest, 399 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: you haven't had number one since Odell Beckham Junior was 400 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: in his prime. And you have an opportunity to get 401 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: someone that can generate some buzz and even make life 402 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: easier for Daniel Jones. I mean that could we've seen 403 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: how a wide receiver can work wonders forquarterback. Maybe they're 404 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: saying that is the thing. And even though they made 405 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 2: a bunch of moves last year, is different to wide 406 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: receivers that we're talking about the top of the board. 407 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: So we get the quarterback alley, which is eleven, twelve, 408 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: thirteen Minnesota. We've talked about potentially moving up Denver in Vegas, 409 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: talked about Vegas potentially moving up Denver. Everybody's connected them 410 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: to bo Nix just from a stylistic, you know thing 411 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: frame of reference there. If you're sitting there, I don't 412 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: think they have the amo to go all the way up. 413 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: So to me, I think if you're them, you have 414 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: to say, is there a major separator between that next 415 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: group of guys? 416 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: And if not, then who is your guy amongst that threesome? 417 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: That's theft. I think that's the thing is Sean Payton 418 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: has been on rec and said he feels like they 419 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: do a great job of scouting quarterbacks. I don't know 420 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: where it comes from, but that's what. It feels like 421 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: they do a great job because I was like, I 422 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: don't remember the sayings drafting a young quarterback. Yeah, that 423 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: was booking, I mean, but he feels good about his 424 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: process and so the bow Knicks thing at twelve is 425 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: interesting because if you're Sean Payton, do you feel like 426 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: there's anyone else that would take bow Knicks in the 427 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: first round. If bow Knicks doesn't go to Denver, where 428 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: else could we see him going in the first round. 429 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: Is there a team I've talked about, maybe d Rams, 430 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: But did Rams really want to invest in the quarterback 431 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: in the first round? With Matthew Staff I know he's 432 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: nearing the end of his career, but are they viable options? 433 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: Who's the team after the Broncos? There would be a 434 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: the quarterback would be a serious consideration. I think it 435 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: takes us a long time to get to one after that. 436 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: So maybe they trade back and still get bow Knicks 437 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: wherever they fall back into. 438 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: Going through trying to find these quarterbacks you're talking about 439 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: that He was mentioning that about Ian book is in 440 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: twenty one. Maybe they're talking about because everybody knows that's 441 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: out there. They tried to go up and get my 442 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: homes and didn't get them, you know, weren't able to 443 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: get it done. So they gonna count that as the 444 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: as the wine because outside of that, I mean, don't 445 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: they didn't really Then it took some gay guys. 446 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: Took someone years ago Colorado State that was never played, 447 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't know if they've ever done it. 448 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: But that's Sean Canfield from Oregon State in twenty ten. Right, 449 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: So I don't know where that comes from. I don't 450 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: know why he would put that out there, but yeah, 451 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: he feels great about their process and how they Kelly, 452 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 2: I'm going back through the old school names. 453 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: This is before Sean Payton, I believe. But remember Adrian 454 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: McPherson from Florida State and then went to the Arena League. 455 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that Asian? I like it even good grade. 456 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: I took my swim. I'll get in trouble. I remember 457 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: looking at the state because he guess has been it 458 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: wasn't a gambling I think. So. He didn't plays fly, 459 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: but man he was. Yeah, this athletic was it? One year? 460 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: Two years at Florida State? He ran around and Madson plays. 461 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: I went to see him in the Arena League. Fun, 462 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: fun scouting days. All right, let's take quick break. We'll 463 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: come back and we'll look at a couple more of 464 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: these teams, all right, Buck, a couple more here. Raiders. 465 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: We talked about them moving up. How about if the 466 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: Raiders don't go up? And this Jade and Daniels thing 467 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: we were kicking around and some fun with You've got Penix. 468 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: We've connected them with as a potential there if you 469 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: if that's your guy, do you take him at thirteen 470 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: or if somebody I don't know what, somebody could be 471 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: coming up for a tackle, some other art because New 472 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: Orleans is right behind you, who has you know could 473 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: take a tackle, so you could be positioned in front 474 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: of them to maybe take a trade up there, maybe 475 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: trade back a little bit. Is that something where you're like, Okay, 476 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, I like that, I like him as a player, 477 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: but I need a little sugar. 478 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 2: I would take the player quarterback, don't get cute. Yeah, 479 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm gonna go back to sixteen like 480 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: west Point, I want to make sure that I don't 481 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 2: miss out on the quarterback because if we feel that 482 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: strongly about him where we would consider taking him in 483 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: the middle of the first round, let's just take him 484 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: and make sure we get it. Don't let's not leave 485 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: it to somebody else. Let's not make sure that we 486 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: can control our own destiny when it comes to getting 487 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: the quarterback that we want. All right now, I'm gonna 488 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: get you to this next one. Here. 489 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: Let's say that Pennix does not go there, Raiders going 490 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: different direction, don't take quarterback. They maybe want one later. 491 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: They're going to roll the dice with what they have 492 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: on campus right now. Have we talked at all about this? 493 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: I know that Seattle traded for Sam Howe we mentioned earlier. 494 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're sitting there and you're looking in 495 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: the way the raft goes and you're Ryan Grubb, you're 496 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: right there. 497 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: You know them. You're offering you know this guy inside 498 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 2: an out. That's a good one. That's a good one. 499 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: You can send him in like you have the luxury 500 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: being able to park him behind. 501 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: Question so you know John Schneider, well work with him. 502 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: What's one thing that Green Bay has always valued in 503 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: quarterbacks over the baking size? 504 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: Big hands. Michael Pennix has meat hooks or hands, big 505 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: big hands. They also value like his long arms, just 506 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: to prote he's a big arm, he's fast. 507 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: They've always how about how about what you want to 508 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: send DK Metcalf over the top and you've got Michael 509 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 1: Pennock's bombs. 510 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: Of so a couple of things that work in the 511 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 2: seahawks favor when it comes to the OC knows everything 512 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: about yeah, Stramp's weaknesses intellect, but he knows how to 513 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: play with the process, knows the offense, knows the offense, 514 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: knows how to win with him all those things. So 515 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 2: you have that in play. You have Geno there, you 516 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: have Sam Howell, like, yeah, you had to get get 517 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: it ready. You have an opportunity to recreate some of 518 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 2: the things that you are part of in Green Bay 519 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: when they just always rolled a bunch of quarterbacks through 520 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: during quarterback school. So now there's no pressure to play 521 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: Michael Pennix right away, even though all those man those 522 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: UDUBT fans will be salivating to get him on the field, 523 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: but there's no immediate pressure and you have two quarterbacks 524 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: that you can try it out there before him. I mean, 525 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: just it makes a lot of sense then that we 526 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: talked about it in that I just feel like we 527 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: haven't talked about this connecting. No, we've never talked about 528 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: it because it hasn't been a thing because when they 529 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 2: made the move for Sam how we marked them off 530 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: the board and being in the quarterback market. But when 531 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: you bring in the local, you have to think that 532 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: they've seen him more than any of the quarterback prossecut 533 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: because he's in the backyard. 534 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, so John's got a chance, Schneyder's had a chance 535 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: to see him play live. I guarantee you've got his 536 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: coach there on campus. It's literally he's played in that environment. 537 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: He knows how to work that ball, rain all that stuff, 538 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: and the problem for that dude. And I'm sitting there going, 539 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: I always like to do this exercise. We get out 540 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: there first mini camp. Geno goes one, Sam goes to, 541 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: Penix goes three. You're sitting there as a scout watching 542 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: one after another after another. And look, I mean Geno 543 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: throws a nice ball. Sam has a live arm. Penix 544 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: is different, different arm, And you can see that down 545 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl. You talked about, you raved about 546 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: him when you're whoa ball jumps jumps off his arm. 547 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: And actually when you watch all of his stuff is 548 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: funny because he is a fastball pitcher. He is throwing 549 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: everything with velocity and whatever work in intermediate areas in 550 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: the red zone, he does it. 551 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: But he has an attack mentality. And with the receivers 552 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: that they have on the outside, I just I can 553 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: see them pushing the ball a little more down the field. 554 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: A little more vertical action. 555 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: So then let's look at where they are here, and 556 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to look at to see their their draft haul. 557 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: So they have no second round pick, so they have 558 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: a three, they have two fours, two six is in 559 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: a seven, so and not a lot, not a huge 560 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: collection of picks there for Seattle, because I was curious 561 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: to see if you like him enough to take him 562 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: where you're picking. 563 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: Would you be then willing to. 564 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: If you're Seattle, to say, hey, we're picking, we're picking sixteen. 565 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: The Raiders have been pegged as a potential Michael Pennis team. 566 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: Shouldn't be that much to go up to twelve, right, 567 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if the Denver Broncos aren't going to take 568 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: one and they want to slide back, and. 569 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: If you feel that convicted about a year, I would 570 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: go to twelve. 571 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: If you're going to take Michael, if you've come to 572 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: the conclusion that you're comfortable to Michael Penix Cinema, if 573 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: go get him at twelve, if. 574 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: You're gonna take him at sixteen, you can take him 575 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: at thirteen. So you know that's yes, that's an interesting one. 576 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: The dots to connect there, all right, last question on 577 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, and then uh, and we can wrap this 578 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: up again. 579 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: It's a fun quick episode. Today. We've got we've got 580 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: broadcast boot camp, we got a bunch of NFL players 581 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: rolling through. 582 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: We've got to go help help the company here as 583 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: they try and put those guys to the paces. But 584 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: last question for you, the Rams picking nineteen haven't had 585 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: a first round pick one hundred years. Yeah, you've got 586 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford for one maybe two. So this is where 587 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: Les Sneath's job becomes hard. Yeah, do I potentially want 588 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: to take the next guy or are we all hands 589 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: on deck? We're going to try and make a run 590 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: here before Matthew Stafford hangs it up. 591 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: I think with Aaron Donald hanging them up. Now we 592 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: try to start building tours the future. We want to 593 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: continue to be competitive and when it's a different animal though, 594 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: when that three time defensive played a year leaves, Yeah, 595 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: you can be competitive, but you won't be nearly as 596 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: dominant as they were on defense with him commanding so 597 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: much attention. I'm looking ahead. Let's build it the right way. 598 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: Let's make sure we get all the marquee positions taken up. 599 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: Let's make sure that the program is in order yeah, yeah, 600 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: I don't think. I think I don't think we're playing 601 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: for right now. I think we're playing for your future. 602 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: Okay, well then let me let me just spin it 603 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: another way. If you use this pick for an asset 604 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: and you just get another player that can help you 605 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: try and make a run. So just the other side 606 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: of the coin here, you're try and make your run 607 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: here with Stafford, get another piece. All those young defensive 608 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: players they played with last year gonna be a year old, 609 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: one year old. That's that's encouraging. You've got a cheap defense, 610 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: all those guys on rookie deals. Now we go get 611 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: another guy on the offensive side of the ball. They've 612 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: made an investment on the offensive line, right, they brought 613 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: into two big guards. So do you position yourself on 614 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: the other side of it and say, you know what 615 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: this year Kirk Cousins was kind of the veteran next year, 616 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: who knows what veterans are going to be out there? 617 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's who knows going to happen? There is there 618 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: with Sean McVay, if this was it, if Matthew Stafford 619 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: wants to go this year, make a one more push 620 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: at it and then decides it right off in the 621 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: sunset is there. And I don't know who the veteran 622 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 1: would be next year, But with that, with Sean McVay, 623 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: that offensive line, Puka Nakua, wouldn't that be the most 624 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: attractive spot for the veteran quarters, the veteran quarterback. 625 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: It seems like it could be very attracted. One. You 626 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: seem to work that Sean mvay is produced. Two, you 627 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: seem to work that he's done with guys on on 628 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 2: the perimeter, developing guys, getting them ready to be stars, 629 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: making them stars manufactured or real. He's created stars and 630 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 2: and and then it's just about putting all the pieces together. 631 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: And when you look at everything makes a lot of sense. Man, Yeah, 632 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: I don't know who that I mean, who knows? I mean, 633 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna happen with Justin Fields. Maybe 634 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: Justin Fields is you know, plays well this year and 635 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: he gets out there. 636 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: Whoever's whoever's going to be the quarterbacks in the mix 637 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: next year, whoever's the there's always a veteran, right every 638 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: year we have one or two of these guys that 639 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: are you know, plug and play, and they're gonna end 640 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: up changing team so I don't know. They could position 641 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: themselves to get the next quarterback for the next fifteen years, 642 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: or they could say, you know what, We're going to 643 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: be the destination spot for who wants to come play 644 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: under Sean McVay. 645 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't think you can go wrong 646 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 2: selling either way. They are a destination spot. It is 647 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 2: fun playing for Sean McVay. You can tell the numbers 648 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: that the wide receivers put up a lot of fun. 649 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: One thing receivers love, they love catching the ball, putting 650 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: points up. Yeah, I just I don't know. 651 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: I look at them and think they might look at 652 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: the NFC and say, oh, you know, we played with 653 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: the Niners. We see the Niners twice a year. We 654 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: can compete against them. We got Stafford healthy, We've we've 655 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: addressed some things, we chased, we pushed all the chips 656 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: in trades that they made Jalen Ramsey, all that stuff 657 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: to go get one Super Bowl. Hey, let's load up 658 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: with guys to help Stafford try and make one more run. 659 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you get two Super Bowls out of this thing. 660 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: Who cares about the future? 661 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: Why not? You want to be in the mix. You 662 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: got to be in the conversation to be in the conversation, 663 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: so I dig it. Yeah, Oh there you go. 664 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: That was a quick little episode today, Buck, anything else 665 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: you want to add before we know? 666 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: It's fun. I'm looking for to getting with some of 667 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 2: our broadcasts boot Camp participants. It's fun time former players, 668 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: current players, trying to figure out what they want to 669 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: do life after. It should be a lot of fun. 670 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: We're going to jump in with those guys right now, 671 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: so appreciate you guys hanging with us today. We'll see 672 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: you next time right here on movie sticks.