Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Saturday, October the eleventh.
Speaker 1: Twins nineteen year old twins found dead, both shot in
Speaker 1: a remote trail on a Georgia mountain. The authorities have
Speaker 1: closed the case, saying it was a double suicide. The
Speaker 1: boys family say, ain't no way. And with that, welcome
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes's case. Get
Speaker 1: digget a lot of attention initially as getting more now
Speaker 1: because new information has come out and this is a
Speaker 1: deepening mystery and some of these details are just on
Speaker 1: both sides are just kind of head scratching.
Speaker 2: Yes, we have been reading in on this story and
Speaker 2: it began on March seventh of this year and still
Speaker 2: today October eleventh. There are so many questions about what
Speaker 2: actually happened that led to the death of Naseera and
Speaker 2: kaydiir Lewis again twins, from the way their body was positioned,
Speaker 2: to why they were there in the first place, to
Speaker 2: the plans they had that made family members believe and
Speaker 2: still believe to this day that they had no intention
Speaker 2: of ending their lives. It's just it's mysterious and it's alarming,
Speaker 2: and there are no clear answers. Although like you said.
Speaker 2: The Georgia Bureau of Investigation says, they know what happened.
Speaker 2: Case closed, we're done investigation over.
Speaker 1: But it's such a bizarre story that by all the counts,
Speaker 1: these two young men were very inseparable. Again, twins, nineteen
Speaker 1: year old young black men. They even shared a vehicle,
Speaker 1: but they stayed at home. They lived at home with
Speaker 1: their dad and their stepmom. So that's it. Said in Lawrenceville, Georgia,
Speaker 1: you know the area better, so give the idea for
Speaker 1: people that don't know where that is in the state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawrenceville, Georgia is in the part of Gwinnett County.
Speaker 2: It's where I grew up. It's where I went to
Speaker 2: middle school and high school. My whole family still lives
Speaker 2: in that area. It's a beautiful part just north of
Speaker 2: Atlanta and just the kind of your idyllic suburb of Atlanta,
Speaker 2: Georgia where honestly, the big water tower there if you've
Speaker 2: passed through, says Gwinett is great, and that is kind
Speaker 2: of the community that it is. It's just a it's
Speaker 2: a peaceful, beautiful place to grow up.
Speaker 1: So we're trying to or the family is looking for answers.
Speaker 1: Now the Georgia of Bureau Investigation says this was a
Speaker 1: double suicide. The family says no, what roabes you go
Speaker 1: through and some of the evidence, if you will, on
Speaker 1: both sides of this point to, yeah, this kind of
Speaker 1: looks like it could have been a double suicide, and
Speaker 1: then you hear other details and go, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: there's no way. So this week we're talking about it
Speaker 1: because CNN reportedly has gotten their hands on this Georgia
Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation file on this particular case, and there's
Speaker 1: some new details coming out that I guess robes don't
Speaker 1: necessarily clear things up.
Speaker 2: No. In fact, we were actually looking at some of
Speaker 2: the initial news reports coming out of the Atlanta area
Speaker 2: that actually completely do not jibe with what CNN is
Speaker 2: now reporting is actually in the Georgia Bureau of Investigation file.
Speaker 2: So it's unclear where the truth lies. And I don't
Speaker 2: know that anyone's going to feel comfortable with it, especially
Speaker 2: not family members at this point.
Speaker 1: So what we're talking about was earlier this year, we
Speaker 1: were talking about the night of March seventh, that was
Speaker 1: a Friday night. These boys, Nauseir and Kadir, they take
Speaker 1: off in their car. They're seen at a grocery state
Speaker 1: a gas station, I should say, they got gas, they
Speaker 1: got beef jerky, they got water, and drove off into
Speaker 1: the night. Now they drove from where they were some
Speaker 1: ninety miles north to and you break this down, Hiawa
Speaker 1: Si versus Blue Mountain? Where were they exactly?
Speaker 2: See? I actually am very familiar with that area too.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful area in the Georgia Mountains, the North
Speaker 2: Georgia Mountains, right along the North Carolina border. A lot
Speaker 2: of wooded trails. It's a it's a just a playground
Speaker 2: for hikers. Folks love this area. My parents love this area.
Speaker 2: I have been up there with them hiking. So it
Speaker 2: is a remote area. Now, these two were found on
Speaker 2: a summit it was called Bell Mountain, in the Blue
Speaker 2: Mountain Trail, on the along the Blue Mountain Trail, and hikers,
Speaker 2: actually another student hiker I believe, found their bodies some
Speaker 2: twelve hours later, lying side by side there. This is
Speaker 2: how their bodies were described as legs straight, arms outstretched,
Speaker 2: and anime a anime sword by both of them. They
Speaker 2: were fans of anime. But it just almost looked like
Speaker 2: the bodies were positioned. It doesn't seem as though that
Speaker 2: were the that could have possibly been the way two
Speaker 2: bodies would fall if each of them died by suicide,
Speaker 2: sharing the gun one after the other. The way police
Speaker 2: say it happened.
Speaker 1: To that point the lawyer, that was one of the
Speaker 1: things they say, quote the main thing is the way
Speaker 1: the bodies were positioned. They were not conducive to what
Speaker 1: you would consider a suicide situation. Again, this was considered
Speaker 1: a double suicide and the case has been closed. The
Speaker 1: gun was found in between the legs of one of
Speaker 1: the boys' particular weapon a forty five calendar nineteen eleven
Speaker 1: style gun. That's relevant. We'll get more into that in
Speaker 1: a second, but a specific gun. This gun. They don't
Speaker 1: know how the boys got it brose, but this was
Speaker 1: a gun that was reported stolen. They don't know how
Speaker 1: it came into their possession, but it had been reported
Speaker 1: stolen from Powder Springs, Georgia. If you know the area,
Speaker 1: it's about fifty miles from Lawrenceville, so it is in
Speaker 1: the area. But they don't know how it ended up
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 2: So that's a big question mark there. But when you
Speaker 2: actually look at the GBI investigation, they say that the
Speaker 2: forensics that they took show that both boys fired the gun,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't a murder suicide. It was, according to
Speaker 2: the GBI, a double suicide where one brother shot the
Speaker 2: gun killed himself, the other brother takes the gun and
Speaker 2: shoots himself. Both of the wounds were considered contact range,
Speaker 2: meaning it was a gun up to the head pressed
Speaker 2: against the side of the head, and one brother, according
Speaker 2: to the investigation, actually FaceTime a friend ahead of time
Speaker 2: showing this girl the gun that they had and they
Speaker 2: claim it's the same gun that was used in the
Speaker 2: double suicide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's these things are these are the things
Speaker 1: that are they're trying to piece together because none of
Speaker 1: this makes sense to the family and in some regards
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense with the GBI investigation either. They
Speaker 1: do have, according to authorities, several Google searches that suggests
Speaker 1: that the boys were thinking about suicide. They even though
Speaker 1: the family said these guys were solid and happy, the
Speaker 1: GBI investigation showed that they did have evidence that they
Speaker 1: had struggled with stress and in particular financial pressures. I
Speaker 1: think the dad had a stroke and I think that
Speaker 1: put a little more strain on the family and maybe
Speaker 1: on the boys, but there was a suggestion that that
Speaker 1: even had an impact on their mental health, that even
Speaker 1: the family didn't know about it, they had only shared
Speaker 1: with maybe some friends.
Speaker 2: Yes, and the gun that they recovered did have just
Speaker 2: two spent shells. And they also noted that there was
Speaker 2: a note left behind, not a suicide note of any kind,
Speaker 2: but there was a note that the boys left behind
Speaker 2: for their stepmother to read, saying please return to my
Speaker 2: uncle Raheem. It was a camera that they had borrowed
Speaker 2: to take some photographs of, so they pointed that as well,
Speaker 2: saying they were tying up loose ends, making sure something
Speaker 2: they had borrowed was given back to the person they
Speaker 2: borrowed it from. And they also made note that there
Speaker 2: was a newly purchased rope in the vehicle that the
Speaker 2: brothers left behind parked at the trailhead there at the
Speaker 2: North Georgia Mountains.
Speaker 1: Like that to mean whatever it could possibly mean, but
Speaker 1: it was noted.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The parts of this that the family will point to
Speaker 1: was the boy's behavior ahead of time, before all this
Speaker 1: took place, they were doing normal stuff. They were out shopping,
Speaker 1: they were making plans, even travel plans in particular. Now
Speaker 1: the night that the boys went off and then ended
Speaker 1: up dead. Nauseir had a flight book that day going
Speaker 1: to Boston. Now he got to the airport, according to
Speaker 1: this file, and they actually reached out to the person
Speaker 1: he was going to visit his girlfriend in Boston, and yes,
Speaker 1: and very much this generation's language, he texted her saying
Speaker 1: I'm cooked because of the TSA line, I think he
Speaker 1: included a picture. So they authorities like, yeah, he was
Speaker 1: at the airport. So how does this kid go from
Speaker 1: making and having a plan to spend the weekend with
Speaker 1: his girlfriend to wanting to kill himself that same night?
Speaker 1: So he misses the flight and makes a plan with
Speaker 1: her that I'm going to reschedule, gonna come tomorrow, that's fine.
Speaker 1: How do you go? And this is what the family
Speaker 1: is struggling with in some details like that, how good
Speaker 1: a guy he was going to hang out with his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: He was literally at the airport and that same night
Speaker 1: decides suicide.
Speaker 2: And look, I think it's one thing for one person
Speaker 2: to die by suicide, and that's hard enough for a
Speaker 2: family to get their head around. What did I miss?
Speaker 2: What warning signs did I not see? How did I
Speaker 2: not know my loved one was struggling. That's such a
Speaker 2: specific and individual experience that we can't possibly try to
Speaker 2: get our heads around. But to know that two people,
Speaker 2: and I know they're identical twins, and I know they
Speaker 2: were close, could come to the same conclusion at the
Speaker 2: same time and side to do it together, that is
Speaker 2: a whole other level of questions, And it just seems
Speaker 2: so highly unlikely. I don't care how much DNA you
Speaker 2: share that you would both feel the same with different experiences.
Speaker 2: One has a girlfriend, one has friends, they have plans,
Speaker 2: they're nineteen years old, for God's sakes, their whole lives
Speaker 2: are in front of them. It's just it's gutting to
Speaker 2: think that they could have actually been in the same
Speaker 2: place at the same time. And who knows, could the
Speaker 2: airport situation have just been the final straw. It sounds silly,
Speaker 2: but sometimes if you're teetering on the edge of what
Speaker 2: to do and feeling lost and hopeless, one small, seemingly
Speaker 2: insignificant thing could send you over the edge. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it's the family isn't buying it. The family says,
Speaker 2: without a doubt, these two were inseparable, Yes, but they
Speaker 2: never ever talked about harm, talked about violence, never even
Speaker 2: got into a fistfight with one another. They said these
Speaker 2: were calm, peaceful, relatively happy young men as far as
Speaker 2: every one in their family could see.
Speaker 1: Well are they also? And we've seen stories before of twins, right,
Speaker 1: being incredibly connected in all kinds of ways, and even
Speaker 1: transitioning later in life to in the same ways that
Speaker 1: are bizarre? Is it they might come across as bizarre
Speaker 1: to us that that's possible, But is that could that
Speaker 1: be a case to where yes, they had sets of
Speaker 1: friends and wentnot but they say they were so close
Speaker 1: that their lives were so closely aligned. I mean they
Speaker 1: shared a car, they lived together. Right. Are they so
Speaker 1: closely aligned that their experiences did result in these two
Speaker 1: people with the exact same DNA experiencing those things the
Speaker 1: same way and leading to the same feelings within them.
Speaker 1: I think that's just fascinating. It's wild to imagine just
Speaker 1: the human body being able to do that, to replicate
Speaker 1: that the mind being able to do that.
Speaker 2: I know it sounds and I obviously yes, that's so fascinating.
Speaker 2: And you and I and anyone who isn't a twin
Speaker 2: can't imagine what that feeling is like. But it's just
Speaker 2: remarkable to think that something a decision like this could
Speaker 2: be made together. And look, I don't know what anyone
Speaker 2: goes through right before they make this ultimate decision, but
Speaker 2: part of it I had thought, and maybe this is
Speaker 2: where I am wrong. Loneliness would be a huge part
Speaker 2: of it, or despair or hopelessness. But if you've got
Speaker 2: this person in life who knows what you're feeling and
Speaker 2: knows what you're thinking and can commiserate with you in
Speaker 2: every way, that's enough. Like you've got your person. Like
Speaker 2: they were almost yes tied by DNA, and through experience,
Speaker 2: they had each other. So that's what actually is also
Speaker 2: concerning to me to think about, just on a human level,
Speaker 2: that they had one another. They weren't lonely in the
Speaker 2: sense that they had each other. So why do this
Speaker 2: without any explanation, without any note knowing they were gonna
Speaker 2: leave family members, girlfriends, fathers, stepmothers with questions in despair
Speaker 2: like that just seems so hard to get your head around.
Speaker 1: So there's the point and what you deser. We don't
Speaker 1: know these boys at all, and even from what we
Speaker 1: are reading and what we're gathering, this sound so out
Speaker 1: of left field. So imagine how the family feels trying
Speaker 1: to accept the answer that these two decided to do this,
Speaker 1: and look, I was talking to you about this ahead
Speaker 1: of time. Huh, there's one gun. Somebody had to do
Speaker 1: this first. So one brother watched his brother kill himself
Speaker 1: and then immediately did the same. That what is happening
Speaker 1: in life that that scenario is possible?
Speaker 2: I don't that is the bar that what and the
Speaker 2: family isn't. The family said someone took these two. They've
Speaker 2: never gone hiking, they don't like hiking. They don't know
Speaker 2: the area. They wouldn't know a trail, especially in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night, to make it up to this summit.
Speaker 2: This isn't something an area that they know to traverse.
Speaker 2: Trails are hard to this is I'm an avid hiker.
Speaker 2: Trails are difficult in that area, especially to navigate in
Speaker 2: the daylight, when you know where you're going, when you
Speaker 2: know where the markings are on the trees, to follow
Speaker 2: the trail to get to the summit. So that's part
Speaker 2: of their argument. They didn't know this area, they didn't
Speaker 2: go hiking. How did they make it in the dark
Speaker 2: all the way up to the summit to do this.
Speaker 2: It makes no sense, all right.
Speaker 1: So that's some of what the file said is going on.
Speaker 1: But stay here, we will tell you about now the
Speaker 1: digital the digital evidence that authorities got from their phones.
Speaker 1: That adds to the mystery. But some are saying it
Speaker 1: actually is why they have closed this case. We continue
Speaker 1: now here on Amy and TJ. The mystery continue. Some
Speaker 1: new questions have now arose after the GBI report. Georgia
Speaker 1: Buau investigation report has been not released but obtained by CNN,
Speaker 1: giving us new details about a story that got a
Speaker 1: lot of attention and some national attention. Twin brothers, Nazir
Speaker 1: and Kadir Lewis twin brothers. It was ruled a double
Speaker 1: suicide on a Georgia mountain there on the North Carolina border,
Speaker 1: but the family is not buying it. And now this
Speaker 1: new report is giving some new details. Among those details
Speaker 1: roads a lot of stuff that they got from the
Speaker 1: young men's phone, including the fact that they watch a
Speaker 1: video about the gun that they had, this nineteen eleven gun.
Speaker 1: Even if you're not a gun enthusiast, you see this
Speaker 1: gun and you recognize it because it's in a lot
Speaker 1: of movies. It's just a very popular style of guns,
Speaker 1: so they watched a video on it. But robe they
Speaker 1: also had several searches, specific Google searches that they did
Speaker 1: that I guess kind of yes, the mean story.
Speaker 2: The only way you could try to get your head
Speaker 2: around these Google searches is if somebody, according to the family,
Speaker 2: if someone did this to them, if they aren't responsible
Speaker 2: for their own deaths, then someone would have had to
Speaker 2: elaborately go into their phones and create these searches. And
Speaker 2: who knows, But the GBI said that the Internet history
Speaker 2: from their cell phones showed this searches for loading a gun.
Speaker 2: They also apparently searched for twenty twenty four suicide rates.
Speaker 2: A search of Naseer's phone turned up videos titled what
Speaker 2: is it like Getting shot at? And should you shoot
Speaker 2: at an angle? So those very specific Internet searches on
Speaker 2: their phones certainly are fairly damning or at least corroborate
Speaker 2: what GBI officials are now saying is and was a
Speaker 2: double suicide. Something else that was interesting they found in
Speaker 2: the backpack that was not near their bodies apparently, but
Speaker 2: in the backpack of Kaidir there was a notebook that
Speaker 2: had the title Journey to the afterlife. So there are
Speaker 2: plenty of fairly significant pieces of evidence that the police
Speaker 2: are pointing to to say this corroborates our theory, or
Speaker 2: at least our decision. We've ruled these deaths a double suicide.
Speaker 1: Dear Nasir Lewis, Well, this is in even if it
Speaker 1: did happen that way. I want to know more about
Speaker 1: these young men. I want to hear about their lives,
Speaker 1: their story, like what was going on with them to
Speaker 1: get them to this place. I think that it is
Speaker 1: a fascinating place to get in learning about twins, like
Speaker 1: how do you get to this exact same place of
Speaker 1: despair that you want to end your life? Are you
Speaker 1: that close with your I don't know. I don't get.
Speaker 1: And again I certainly don't get how you could watch
Speaker 1: your twin shoot himself in the head and then a
Speaker 1: moment later do the same thing to yourself.
Speaker 2: You must be desperate and unfortunately not neither one of them,
Speaker 2: if this is true, felt like they could share this
Speaker 2: with anyone else other than with each other. Now complicating
Speaker 2: this mystery just a bit, I wanted to point out
Speaker 2: a short time after these two boys' bodies were found,
Speaker 2: the body of a thirty eight year old man was
Speaker 2: discovered in this same location. That is bizarre. His death
Speaker 2: was also classified as a suicide. But get this, all
Speaker 2: three of these men lived in Gwinnett County at the
Speaker 2: time of their deaths, and all of them ended up
Speaker 2: on this mountaintop on Bell Mountain in the North Georgia Mountains,
Speaker 2: just five miles away from hiawassee Georgia. And so now
Speaker 2: these two families have actually connected because none of them
Speaker 2: believe that their loved ones actually died by suicide, and
Speaker 2: so they've actually gotten together. They're calling for an independent investigation,
Speaker 2: but they say that this other man, this thirty eight
Speaker 2: year old, was a generous, well known figure in the
Speaker 2: local skateboarding community. He was a caring person. He was
Speaker 2: not the type of person who, whatever they say, his
Speaker 2: family members say, take his own life. So it just
Speaker 2: adds to the mystery that now within the span of
Speaker 2: a few months, you have three men all dying by
Speaker 2: suicide at the exact same location, all hailing from the
Speaker 2: same area, no obvious other known connection between the two.
Speaker 2: But certainly it's another puzzling component to a tragic, tragic
Speaker 2: situation that doesn't really have a satisfying answer for anybody.
Speaker 1: And they are not. We should note the families are
Speaker 1: not letting this go and letting this rest. Family, at
Speaker 1: least of the twins is looking to hire a private
Speaker 1: investigator to look into this independently, and we will keep
Speaker 1: an eye on that. But really, this is not, by
Speaker 1: any means a closed case. Even if it did happen
Speaker 1: the way the authorities say it happened, I still would
Speaker 1: like to hear more about this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Put yourself in this
Speaker 2: family's position, and anybody who felt just completely blindsided by
Speaker 2: something this tragic and this horrific with enough question marks,
Speaker 2: because you just start to think, if something happened to them,
Speaker 2: could someone be covering their tracks by making it look
Speaker 2: like a suicide? That is a that is an absolute
Speaker 2: genuine response. I mean I understand that. And at the
Speaker 2: very least, you just want to make sure you turned
Speaker 2: over every rock, you made sure you looked at every
Speaker 2: possible scenario before accepting what police just hand to you
Speaker 2: and say this is what happened. Because there is no
Speaker 2: one saw it happen. There's the only two people who
Speaker 2: know what happened, at least from what we know are
Speaker 2: those two young men and it's worth an investigation. I
Speaker 2: would want to do the same if that were my
Speaker 2: family member.
Speaker 1: Folks, we'll keep an eye on it. We always appreciate
Speaker 1: you hanging with us. For now, I'm TJ. Holmes. I
Speaker 1: gonna have of my partner, hemy Robock. We'll talk to
Speaker 1: us day