WEBVTT - Double Suicide or Something More Sinister

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there are folks. It is Saturday, October the eleventh.

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<v Speaker 1>Twins nineteen year old twins found dead, both shot in

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<v Speaker 1>a remote trail on a Georgia mountain. The authorities have

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<v Speaker 1>closed the case, saying it was a double suicide. The

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<v Speaker 1>boys family say, ain't no way. And with that, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes's case. Get

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<v Speaker 1>digget a lot of attention initially as getting more now

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<v Speaker 1>because new information has come out and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>deepening mystery and some of these details are just on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides are just kind of head scratching.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we have been reading in on this story and

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<v Speaker 2>it began on March seventh of this year and still

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<v Speaker 2>today October eleventh. There are so many questions about what

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<v Speaker 2>actually happened that led to the death of Naseera and

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<v Speaker 2>kaydiir Lewis again twins, from the way their body was positioned,

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<v Speaker 2>to why they were there in the first place, to

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<v Speaker 2>the plans they had that made family members believe and

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<v Speaker 2>still believe to this day that they had no intention

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<v Speaker 2>of ending their lives. It's just it's mysterious and it's alarming,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are no clear answers. Although like you said.

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<v Speaker 2>The Georgia Bureau of Investigation says, they know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Case closed, we're done investigation over.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's such a bizarre story that by all the counts,

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<v Speaker 1>these two young men were very inseparable. Again, twins, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old young black men. They even shared a vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>but they stayed at home. They lived at home with

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<v Speaker 1>their dad and their stepmom. So that's it. Said in Lawrenceville, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the area better, so give the idea for

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<v Speaker 1>people that don't know where that is in the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lawrenceville, Georgia is in the part of Gwinnett County.

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<v Speaker 2>It's where I grew up. It's where I went to

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<v Speaker 2>middle school and high school. My whole family still lives

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<v Speaker 2>in that area. It's a beautiful part just north of

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta and just the kind of your idyllic suburb of Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia where honestly, the big water tower there if you've

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<v Speaker 2>passed through, says Gwinett is great, and that is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the community that it is. It's just a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a peaceful, beautiful place to grow up.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're trying to or the family is looking for answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the Georgia of Bureau Investigation says this was a

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<v Speaker 1>double suicide. The family says no, what roabes you go

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<v Speaker 1>through and some of the evidence, if you will, on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides of this point to, yeah, this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>looks like it could have been a double suicide, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you hear other details and go, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way. So this week we're talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>because CNN reportedly has gotten their hands on this Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Investigation file on this particular case, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>some new details coming out that I guess robes don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily clear things up.

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<v Speaker 2>No. In fact, we were actually looking at some of

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<v Speaker 2>the initial news reports coming out of the Atlanta area

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<v Speaker 2>that actually completely do not jibe with what CNN is

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<v Speaker 2>now reporting is actually in the Georgia Bureau of Investigation file.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's unclear where the truth lies. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that anyone's going to feel comfortable with it, especially

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<v Speaker 2>not family members at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we're talking about was earlier this year, we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about the night of March seventh, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a Friday night. These boys, Nauseir and Kadir, they take

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<v Speaker 1>off in their car. They're seen at a grocery state

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<v Speaker 1>a gas station, I should say, they got gas, they

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<v Speaker 1>got beef jerky, they got water, and drove off into

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<v Speaker 1>the night. Now they drove from where they were some

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<v Speaker 1>ninety miles north to and you break this down, Hiawa

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<v Speaker 1>Si versus Blue Mountain? Where were they exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>See? I actually am very familiar with that area too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a beautiful area in the Georgia Mountains, the North

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Mountains, right along the North Carolina border. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of wooded trails. It's a it's a just a playground

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<v Speaker 2>for hikers. Folks love this area. My parents love this area.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been up there with them hiking. So it

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<v Speaker 2>is a remote area. Now, these two were found on

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<v Speaker 2>a summit it was called Bell Mountain, in the Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Mountain Trail, on the along the Blue Mountain Trail, and hikers,

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<v Speaker 2>actually another student hiker I believe, found their bodies some

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hours later, lying side by side there. This is

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<v Speaker 2>how their bodies were described as legs straight, arms outstretched,

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<v Speaker 2>and anime a anime sword by both of them. They

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<v Speaker 2>were fans of anime. But it just almost looked like

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<v Speaker 2>the bodies were positioned. It doesn't seem as though that

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<v Speaker 2>were the that could have possibly been the way two

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<v Speaker 2>bodies would fall if each of them died by suicide,

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<v Speaker 2>sharing the gun one after the other. The way police

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<v Speaker 2>say it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>To that point the lawyer, that was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things they say, quote the main thing is the way

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<v Speaker 1>the bodies were positioned. They were not conducive to what

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<v Speaker 1>you would consider a suicide situation. Again, this was considered

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<v Speaker 1>a double suicide and the case has been closed. The

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<v Speaker 1>gun was found in between the legs of one of

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<v Speaker 1>the boys' particular weapon a forty five calendar nineteen eleven

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<v Speaker 1>style gun. That's relevant. We'll get more into that in

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<v Speaker 1>a second, but a specific gun. This gun. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how the boys got it brose, but this was

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<v Speaker 1>a gun that was reported stolen. They don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>it came into their possession, but it had been reported

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<v Speaker 1>stolen from Powder Springs, Georgia. If you know the area,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about fifty miles from Lawrenceville, so it is in

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<v Speaker 1>the area. But they don't know how it ended up

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<v Speaker 1>with them.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a big question mark there. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>actually look at the GBI investigation, they say that the

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<v Speaker 2>forensics that they took show that both boys fired the gun,

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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't a murder suicide. It was, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the GBI, a double suicide where one brother shot the

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<v Speaker 2>gun killed himself, the other brother takes the gun and

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<v Speaker 2>shoots himself. Both of the wounds were considered contact range,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning it was a gun up to the head pressed

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<v Speaker 2>against the side of the head, and one brother, according

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<v Speaker 2>to the investigation, actually FaceTime a friend ahead of time

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<v Speaker 2>showing this girl the gun that they had and they

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<v Speaker 2>claim it's the same gun that was used in the

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<v Speaker 2>double suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's these things are these are the things

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<v Speaker 1>that are they're trying to piece together because none of

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<v Speaker 1>this makes sense to the family and in some regards

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make sense with the GBI investigation either. They

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<v Speaker 1>do have, according to authorities, several Google searches that suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that the boys were thinking about suicide. They even though

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<v Speaker 1>the family said these guys were solid and happy, the

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<v Speaker 1>GBI investigation showed that they did have evidence that they

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<v Speaker 1>had struggled with stress and in particular financial pressures. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the dad had a stroke and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>put a little more strain on the family and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>on the boys, but there was a suggestion that that

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<v Speaker 1>even had an impact on their mental health, that even

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<v Speaker 1>the family didn't know about it, they had only shared

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<v Speaker 1>with maybe some friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and the gun that they recovered did have just

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<v Speaker 2>two spent shells. And they also noted that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a note left behind, not a suicide note of any kind,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was a note that the boys left behind

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<v Speaker 2>for their stepmother to read, saying please return to my

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<v Speaker 2>uncle Raheem. It was a camera that they had borrowed

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<v Speaker 2>to take some photographs of, so they pointed that as well,

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<v Speaker 2>saying they were tying up loose ends, making sure something

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<v Speaker 2>they had borrowed was given back to the person they

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<v Speaker 2>borrowed it from. And they also made note that there

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<v Speaker 2>was a newly purchased rope in the vehicle that the

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<v Speaker 2>brothers left behind parked at the trailhead there at the

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<v Speaker 2>North Georgia Mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that to mean whatever it could possibly mean, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was noted.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The parts of this that the family will point to

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<v Speaker 1>was the boy's behavior ahead of time, before all this

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<v Speaker 1>took place, they were doing normal stuff. They were out shopping,

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<v Speaker 1>they were making plans, even travel plans in particular. Now

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<v Speaker 1>the night that the boys went off and then ended

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<v Speaker 1>up dead. Nauseir had a flight book that day going

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<v Speaker 1>to Boston. Now he got to the airport, according to

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<v Speaker 1>this file, and they actually reached out to the person

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to visit his girlfriend in Boston, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and very much this generation's language, he texted her saying

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cooked because of the TSA line, I think he

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<v Speaker 1>included a picture. So they authorities like, yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 1>at the airport. So how does this kid go from

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<v Speaker 1>making and having a plan to spend the weekend with

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend to wanting to kill himself that same night?

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<v Speaker 1>So he misses the flight and makes a plan with

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<v Speaker 1>her that I'm going to reschedule, gonna come tomorrow, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you go? And this is what the family

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<v Speaker 1>is struggling with in some details like that, how good

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<v Speaker 1>a guy he was going to hang out with his girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>He was literally at the airport and that same night

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<v Speaker 1>decides suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I think it's one thing for one person

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<v Speaker 2>to die by suicide, and that's hard enough for a

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<v Speaker 2>family to get their head around. What did I miss?

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<v Speaker 2>What warning signs did I not see? How did I

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<v Speaker 2>not know my loved one was struggling. That's such a

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<v Speaker 2>specific and individual experience that we can't possibly try to

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<v Speaker 2>get our heads around. But to know that two people,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know they're identical twins, and I know they

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<v Speaker 2>were close, could come to the same conclusion at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time and side to do it together, that is

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<v Speaker 2>a whole other level of questions, And it just seems

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<v Speaker 2>so highly unlikely. I don't care how much DNA you

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<v Speaker 2>share that you would both feel the same with different experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>One has a girlfriend, one has friends, they have plans,

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<v Speaker 2>they're nineteen years old, for God's sakes, their whole lives

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<v Speaker 2>are in front of them. It's just it's gutting to

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<v Speaker 2>think that they could have actually been in the same

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<v Speaker 2>place at the same time. And who knows, could the

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<v Speaker 2>airport situation have just been the final straw. It sounds silly,

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<v Speaker 2>but sometimes if you're teetering on the edge of what

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<v Speaker 2>to do and feeling lost and hopeless, one small, seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>insignificant thing could send you over the edge. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the family isn't buying it. The family says,

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<v Speaker 2>without a doubt, these two were inseparable, Yes, but they

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<v Speaker 2>never ever talked about harm, talked about violence, never even

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<v Speaker 2>got into a fistfight with one another. They said these

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<v Speaker 2>were calm, peaceful, relatively happy young men as far as

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<v Speaker 2>every one in their family could see.

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<v Speaker 1>Well are they also? And we've seen stories before of twins, right,

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<v Speaker 1>being incredibly connected in all kinds of ways, and even

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<v Speaker 1>transitioning later in life to in the same ways that

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<v Speaker 1>are bizarre? Is it they might come across as bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>to us that that's possible, But is that could that

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<v Speaker 1>be a case to where yes, they had sets of

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<v Speaker 1>friends and wentnot but they say they were so close

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<v Speaker 1>that their lives were so closely aligned. I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>shared a car, they lived together. Right. Are they so

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<v Speaker 1>closely aligned that their experiences did result in these two

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<v Speaker 1>people with the exact same DNA experiencing those things the

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<v Speaker 1>same way and leading to the same feelings within them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's just fascinating. It's wild to imagine just

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<v Speaker 1>the human body being able to do that, to replicate

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<v Speaker 1>that the mind being able to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it sounds and I obviously yes, that's so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>And you and I and anyone who isn't a twin

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<v Speaker 2>can't imagine what that feeling is like. But it's just

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<v Speaker 2>remarkable to think that something a decision like this could

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<v Speaker 2>be made together. And look, I don't know what anyone

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<v Speaker 2>goes through right before they make this ultimate decision, but

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<v Speaker 2>part of it I had thought, and maybe this is

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<v Speaker 2>where I am wrong. Loneliness would be a huge part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, or despair or hopelessness. But if you've got

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<v Speaker 2>this person in life who knows what you're feeling and

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<v Speaker 2>knows what you're thinking and can commiserate with you in

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<v Speaker 2>every way, that's enough. Like you've got your person. Like

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<v Speaker 2>they were almost yes tied by DNA, and through experience,

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<v Speaker 2>they had each other. So that's what actually is also

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<v Speaker 2>concerning to me to think about, just on a human level,

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<v Speaker 2>that they had one another. They weren't lonely in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense that they had each other. So why do this

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<v Speaker 2>without any explanation, without any note knowing they were gonna

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<v Speaker 2>leave family members, girlfriends, fathers, stepmothers with questions in despair

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<v Speaker 2>like that just seems so hard to get your head around.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's the point and what you deser. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know these boys at all, and even from what we

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<v Speaker 1>are reading and what we're gathering, this sound so out

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<v Speaker 1>of left field. So imagine how the family feels trying

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<v Speaker 1>to accept the answer that these two decided to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>and look, I was talking to you about this ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Huh, there's one gun. Somebody had to do

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<v Speaker 1>this first. So one brother watched his brother kill himself

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<v Speaker 1>and then immediately did the same. That what is happening

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<v Speaker 1>in life that that scenario is possible?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't that is the bar that what and the

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<v Speaker 2>family isn't. The family said someone took these two. They've

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<v Speaker 2>never gone hiking, they don't like hiking. They don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the area. They wouldn't know a trail, especially in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the night, to make it up to this summit.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't something an area that they know to traverse.

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<v Speaker 2>Trails are hard to this is I'm an avid hiker.

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<v Speaker 2>Trails are difficult in that area, especially to navigate in

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<v Speaker 2>the daylight, when you know where you're going, when you

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<v Speaker 2>know where the markings are on the trees, to follow

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<v Speaker 2>the trail to get to the summit. So that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of their argument. They didn't know this area, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go hiking. How did they make it in the dark

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<v Speaker 2>all the way up to the summit to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes no sense, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's some of what the file said is going on.

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<v Speaker 1>But stay here, we will tell you about now the

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<v Speaker 1>digital the digital evidence that authorities got from their phones.

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<v Speaker 1>That adds to the mystery. But some are saying it

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<v Speaker 1>actually is why they have closed this case. We continue

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<v Speaker 1>now here on Amy and TJ. The mystery continue. Some

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<v Speaker 1>new questions have now arose after the GBI report. Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>Buau investigation report has been not released but obtained by CNN,

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<v Speaker 1>giving us new details about a story that got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of attention and some national attention. Twin brothers, Nazir

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<v Speaker 1>and Kadir Lewis twin brothers. It was ruled a double

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<v Speaker 1>suicide on a Georgia mountain there on the North Carolina border,

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<v Speaker 1>but the family is not buying it. And now this

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<v Speaker 1>new report is giving some new details. Among those details

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<v Speaker 1>roads a lot of stuff that they got from the

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<v Speaker 1>young men's phone, including the fact that they watch a

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<v Speaker 1>video about the gun that they had, this nineteen eleven gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you're not a gun enthusiast, you see this

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<v Speaker 1>gun and you recognize it because it's in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of movies. It's just a very popular style of guns,

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<v Speaker 1>so they watched a video on it. But robe they

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<v Speaker 1>also had several searches, specific Google searches that they did

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<v Speaker 1>that I guess kind of yes, the mean story.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way you could try to get your head

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<v Speaker 2>around these Google searches is if somebody, according to the family,

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<v Speaker 2>if someone did this to them, if they aren't responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for their own deaths, then someone would have had to

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<v Speaker 2>elaborately go into their phones and create these searches. And

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<v Speaker 2>who knows, But the GBI said that the Internet history

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<v Speaker 2>from their cell phones showed this searches for loading a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>They also apparently searched for twenty twenty four suicide rates.

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<v Speaker 2>A search of Naseer's phone turned up videos titled what

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<v Speaker 2>is it like Getting shot at? And should you shoot

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<v Speaker 2>at an angle? So those very specific Internet searches on

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<v Speaker 2>their phones certainly are fairly damning or at least corroborate

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<v Speaker 2>what GBI officials are now saying is and was a

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<v Speaker 2>double suicide. Something else that was interesting they found in

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<v Speaker 2>the backpack that was not near their bodies apparently, but

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<v Speaker 2>in the backpack of Kaidir there was a notebook that

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<v Speaker 2>had the title Journey to the afterlife. So there are

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of fairly significant pieces of evidence that the police

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<v Speaker 2>are pointing to to say this corroborates our theory, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least our decision. We've ruled these deaths a double suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Nasir Lewis, Well, this is in even if it

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<v Speaker 1>did happen that way. I want to know more about

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<v Speaker 1>these young men. I want to hear about their lives,

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<v Speaker 1>their story, like what was going on with them to

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<v Speaker 1>get them to this place. I think that it is

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating place to get in learning about twins, like

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<v Speaker 1>how do you get to this exact same place of

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<v Speaker 1>despair that you want to end your life? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>that close with your I don't know. I don't get.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I certainly don't get how you could watch

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<v Speaker 1>your twin shoot himself in the head and then a

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<v Speaker 1>moment later do the same thing to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You must be desperate and unfortunately not neither one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>if this is true, felt like they could share this

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<v Speaker 2>with anyone else other than with each other. Now complicating

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<v Speaker 2>this mystery just a bit, I wanted to point out

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<v Speaker 2>a short time after these two boys' bodies were found,

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<v Speaker 2>the body of a thirty eight year old man was

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<v Speaker 2>discovered in this same location. That is bizarre. His death

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<v Speaker 2>was also classified as a suicide. But get this, all

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<v Speaker 2>three of these men lived in Gwinnett County at the

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<v Speaker 2>time of their deaths, and all of them ended up

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<v Speaker 2>on this mountaintop on Bell Mountain in the North Georgia Mountains,

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<v Speaker 2>just five miles away from hiawassee Georgia. And so now

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<v Speaker 2>these two families have actually connected because none of them

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<v Speaker 2>believe that their loved ones actually died by suicide, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they've actually gotten together. They're calling for an independent investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>but they say that this other man, this thirty eight

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<v Speaker 2>year old, was a generous, well known figure in the

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<v Speaker 2>local skateboarding community. He was a caring person. He was

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<v Speaker 2>not the type of person who, whatever they say, his

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<v Speaker 2>family members say, take his own life. So it just

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<v Speaker 2>adds to the mystery that now within the span of

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<v Speaker 2>a few months, you have three men all dying by

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<v Speaker 2>suicide at the exact same location, all hailing from the

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<v Speaker 2>same area, no obvious other known connection between the two.

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<v Speaker 2>But certainly it's another puzzling component to a tragic, tragic

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<v Speaker 2>situation that doesn't really have a satisfying answer for anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And they are not. We should note the families are

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<v Speaker 1>not letting this go and letting this rest. Family, at

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<v Speaker 1>least of the twins is looking to hire a private

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<v Speaker 1>investigator to look into this independently, and we will keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on that. But really, this is not, by

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<v Speaker 1>any means a closed case. Even if it did happen

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<v Speaker 1>the way the authorities say it happened, I still would

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<v Speaker 1>like to hear more about this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Put yourself in this

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<v Speaker 2>family's position, and anybody who felt just completely blindsided by

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<v Speaker 2>something this tragic and this horrific with enough question marks,

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<v Speaker 2>because you just start to think, if something happened to them,

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<v Speaker 2>could someone be covering their tracks by making it look

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<v Speaker 2>like a suicide? That is a that is an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>genuine response. I mean I understand that. And at the

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<v Speaker 2>very least, you just want to make sure you turned

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<v Speaker 2>over every rock, you made sure you looked at every

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<v Speaker 2>possible scenario before accepting what police just hand to you

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<v Speaker 2>and say this is what happened. Because there is no

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<v Speaker 2>one saw it happen. There's the only two people who

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<v Speaker 2>know what happened, at least from what we know are

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<v Speaker 2>those two young men and it's worth an investigation. I

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<v Speaker 2>would want to do the same if that were my

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<v Speaker 2>family member.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks, we'll keep an eye on it. We always appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you hanging with us. For now, I'm TJ. Holmes. I

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have of my partner, hemy Robock. We'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us day