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Speaker 1: it in two ways. There's the old classic, Oh, I'm

431
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: not ready for a relationship yet, I'm not healed enough

432
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 1: for a relationship, And of course you know, I'm like, no, no, no,

433
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: the relationship is going to help heal. You don't. Don't,

434
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: don't wait for a decade, just that, you just just

435
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then the other one, of course, is

436
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: um in order to be a good healer, you have

437
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: to be fully healed, and I think that's such a myth.

438
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: There are incredible people on the planet who are incredible

439
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: at what they do, and I'm not even talking about healing.

440
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: They might be amazing in certain areas of their life,

441
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: and that one area they're amazing might be their saving grace.

442
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: It might be the one area they really are in

443
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: their light. And then, like all of us. They're working

444
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: on the other areas and trying to integrate and trying

445
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: to become whole. So I think for me there was

446
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: this really interesting moment where I recognize that even though

447
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: speaking to my guides and having that not just expanded

448
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: view from them, but the expanded feeling I would get

449
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: when I was channeling it was it was actually helping

450
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: me to forgive myself forever, believing that I needed to

451
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: just be a constantly enlightened being, which is what I

452
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: think I thought I was supposed to get to in

453
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: the first few years, And so I was actually rejecting

454
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: my humanity the same way I've done it as a kid.

455
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: So I was in better circumstances, but I was still

456
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: rejecting my humanity. There were still parts of me that

457
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: I wanted to reject or see as a problem. And

458
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: I think the breakthrough for me came when I was like, oh,

459
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: it all coexists. So you know, we aren't going to

460
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: our higher self for our soul to try and eradicate

461
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: our nasty humanity. We're actually going to that place to

462
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: bring it home again and reinclude it. And if you

463
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: just do that, the rest starts to take care of itself.

464
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: And if you just keep connecting with that beautiful fountain,

465
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: that beautiful fountain will start to show you, Oh, my

466
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: shoulders a bit stiff, and I didn't know before I channeled,

467
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: So I need to give my shoulders some love. And

468
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, the shoulder being a metaphor for the part

469
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: of ourselves that we we don't know how to hold

470
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: in love. And so for me, like you, that's kind

471
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: of the human journey of it all. And then that's

472
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: coming from an individual perspective of mine. But if you

473
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: look at where we are as a world right now, boy,

474
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: oh boy, we're all in the spiritual washing machine, you know,

475
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: as a world. Oh my god, on the spin cycle.

476
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: Like it is a lot, you know, and like I

477
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: just I love so much what you're saying about that

478
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: because I think that that that was just such a

479
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: huge piece for me too. You know. There there's this

480
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: quote that a lot of us connect to and love,

481
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: which is I'm a divine being having a human experience.

482
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: But the thing that I think that is so important

483
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: to follow up in that statement is, you know, but

484
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: but I signed up for this human experience, so I

485
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: need to bring my divinity into my humanity and not

486
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: think that my approach is to choose one and that

487
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: makes me better, that makes me above, that makes me higher,

488
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: And so that's my focus. You know, when you're on

489
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: the wakened path, um, you're awakening, so you can share

490
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: that consciousness with the rest of the planet and the

491
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: rest of humanity. And then we're always in practice and

492
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: continually healing because we live in an unconscious world. And

493
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: so though you come into this knowing and the mission

494
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: is to share it with others, it is a complete

495
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: complete detachment from outcome on whether it will be received.

496
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: Mm hm, well said yeah, yeah, And and it's interesting

497
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: too because and I think that's where well, my guides talk.

498
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: They're called they called disease. So when I first met them,

499
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: I asked if they if they had a name, and

500
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: they said, well, we don't have a name the way

501
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: you would understand the name, but we know that you know,

502
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: humans need names, so you can call me Zachary and

503
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm the the spokesperson. And then over the next few

504
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: years I met to others who gave me the names

505
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: Zappariah and Ziadorra, And for a good kind of six

506
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: years I was publicly channeling the three of them, and

507
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: they were taken in turns, and I never knew who

508
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: would show up. Zadora was deep feminine, Zachary was deep

509
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: masculine energy, and Zafariah was like this slightly comical personality

510
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: based blend of the two. And so the audiences that

511
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: would listen to what I did started referring to them

512
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: as the Zas, so they named them. It kind of stuck,

513
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: and then in they said, we're just going to speak

514
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: as one collective again because with with where everything is going,

515
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: it's actually unification is going to be more needed than

516
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: ever before in the coming decades, and so therefore we're

517
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: just going to unify and we're no longer going to

518
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: separate out. So but they always talk about multi dimensionality

519
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: and they say that we have forgotten how multidimensional we are.

520
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: So with what you were saying, you know, I think of, okay,

521
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: that the part of me that will rise to the

522
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: surface from time to time, that's still the wounded child,

523
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: and it's like he's ready for a new layer of healing,

524
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: and the six year old in me is ready to

525
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: be a bit more okay. The world is safe and

526
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: that comes because of X Y or z that just

527
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: happened to me in recent months. And then of course

528
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: there's the one that can focus the energy of the disease,

529
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: and and they're they're wildly different points for me, but

530
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: that's the truth for all of us, and I think,

531
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: I think that's where the healing part of what we're

532
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: doing it comes in. It's so crucial that we first

533
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: of all can accept who we are and learn to

534
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: love who we are. And as as you know and

535
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: as we know, trauma does not make that easy, because

536
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: trauma can be so painful and so immobilizing that any

537
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: of us just want to escape it. And I think

538
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: for many people their point of entry to the spiritual

539
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: world is getting out the body, getting out of the trauma,

540
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: like finding a safe place outside. But what tends to

541
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: happen for most of us who do that is becomes

542
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: a certain point where spirit goes, Okay, we're gonna gently

543
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: pour you back down into the body now, because the

544
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: body is where you are supposed to live it and

545
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: animate in a different way. And so that's why I

546
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: always say that my favorite spiritual people are often the

547
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: people who know nothing about spirituality on an information level.

548
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: They are just embodied. They love, they give, They look

549
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: out for the community, the tribe is part of their

550
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: focus rather than just their own life. And equally, I've

551
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: met many people who are spiritually very very informed, but

552
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: they because of their wounds or their trauma or just

553
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: where they're at, they're not embodying that in the world.

554
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: So kind of going back to what you said, do

555
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: we take of stuff in to entertain ourselves or like

556
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: I used to it was like my healing hobby at

557
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: the weekend, or do we take this in in the

558
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: hope that how it transforms us actually creates a much

559
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: more expanded, enlightened, and i'll say empowered version of us

560
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: in the world. Can we take it into action? Hm

561
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: m mmmmm mm hmmm. And I think the trauma that

562
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, one of the things that I

563
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: realized that I wasn't alone in which like many who

564
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: isolate and as a child, I isolated with my pain

565
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: and would hide it and would eat my way through

566
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: it or you know, whatever whatever else I needed to do.

567
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: It was a revelation to me two go into the

568
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: spiritual and self growth world and meet so many people

569
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: at those workshops that I would attend, and then that

570
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: later I would lead who had the same levels, same

571
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: deep levels of self judgment that I had carried, the shame,

572
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: the self judgment, the self attack that I knew so

573
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: well and that I, like many who are struggling and suffering,

574
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: You you personalize it and you see it just as you.

575
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: And then I got out and I'm like, oh my god,

576
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: this is an epidemic, Like, there is an epidemic of

577
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: bad feeling and unkind words toward ourselves that we have

578
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: all just inherited and disease. Were like, yeah, it's one

579
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: of the planetary diseases, and it's it's like a virus

580
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and it goes around and you've all swallowed it and

581
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: you've handed it to each other, You've whacked each other

582
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: in the face with it. You've learned to become it

583
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: in order to keep yourself safe from the perpetrator in

584
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: your life. And I was like, oh my god. Wow.

585
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 1: So I think if you, if you depersonalize your own

586
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: self attack and self judgment and record nice, you're swimming

587
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: in that because so many of us are. For me,

588
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: that was helpful. It helped me to just slightly open

589
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: out my understanding of why those negative thoughts towards myself

590
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: would rise again, and the fact that it's like, Okay,

591
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: this is part of the energy ocean and I'm in it,

592
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: and this is my version of it, and okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

593
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of head nodding happening and people listening.

594
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 1: I have a feeling there's some heart holding as well.

595
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: When you were speaking about earlierly doing UM, you know

596
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: just how how beneficial it was to even grow the

597
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: gifting when you started doing this professionally and really stood

598
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: in your calling and stood in the way that you

599
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: were the multitude of ways you were meant to express

600
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: your gifts and your purpose. I know that you know

601
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: something that is really challenging for people who do more

602
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: spiritually lead work or work that is in service to

603
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: the human heart, to the human spirit. There is a

604
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: big issue of feeling like you can have UM, like

605
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: you're allowed to reap benefit from it for yourself, whether

606
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: that is financially or personally in any kind of way.

607
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: You know. I think that there is this misbelief that

608
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: a path of service means that you are on a

609
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: path of martyrdom, you know, And I don't agree with that.

610
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: I believe in the tenets of energy exchange. I believe

611
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: in spiritual exchange, and I actually think it's really necessary

612
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: for the transformation of even the person you're aiding UM

613
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: in some circumstances that they participate by also putting something

614
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: forward that kind of puts their stake in the ground,

615
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: which UM could be bought services or any other type

616
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: of exchange. But you know, I know you have actually

617
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: a course that you're in right now, and I would

618
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: just love to speak to that and speak to your

619
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: thoughts on occupying space as a healer, occupying space as

620
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: someone that does any type of service or work that

621
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: isn't in the path of UM awakening, of spirituality, of

622
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: mental health. Yeah, it's it's so yeah, it's such a

623
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: big topic. I'm glad you bring it up because it's

624
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: certainly one of the areas I have to navigate my

625
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: own psyche and psychology and still occasionally today it comes up,

626
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: but not not anywhere near to the same level it

627
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: used to. So firstly, I mean, I have a couple

628
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: of friends in my life who, because of business ventures

629
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: they were part of there they don't need to work,

630
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: which you know is incredible, Like I don't. I don't

631
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: meet many people who don't need to work. But might

632
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: be two people I know they don't need to work.

633
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: They won't need to work for the rest of their

634
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: lives unless something goes weirdly wrong. Um. Both of them

635
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: give a lot, and I don't just mean their money.

636
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: They give their resources, they give their time, they and

637
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: they can do that and they're in a position to

638
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: do that. So there are always people who don't need resources,

639
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: and there are equally and I've seen a whole number

640
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: of people who are out there wanting to use their

641
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: energy exchange away from the form of money, and that's

642
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: also a very respectable path. And there are a number

643
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: of people who who who do that. So I just

644
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge those people first. But if we go

645
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Speaker 1: to the group that we're speaking about that I was

646
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Speaker 1: a part of, you know, I needed to pay my rent,

647
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Speaker 1: like I couldn't do this for free. I didn't come

648
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Speaker 1: from a background where there was there was money, there

649
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: was enough, and we certainly didn't grow up in poverty. Um.

650
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Speaker 1: And I knew people and friends too, and you did.

651
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Speaker 1: But so for me, there was this interesting moment when

652
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Speaker 1: you're charging for a service that has enormous value to people,

653
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: and I had this moment where I felt like, oh,

654
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm moving from a donation based reader. So

655
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Speaker 1: I think I I asked people for a minimum of

656
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Speaker 1: ten pounds, which was about fifteen dollars at the time,

657
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Speaker 1: and it would take me up to two hours to

658
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: do this reading for somebody. So I was basically equating

659
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Speaker 1: it with kind of the minimum wage that I could

660
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Speaker 1: earn at the time in another job. But after time

661
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: I realized it was tiring. I couldn't do this for

662
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: eight hours a day like that. You know that the

663
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: max I could do as a certain number per day.

664
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Speaker 1: So I had this epiphany moment where as I felt

665
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Speaker 1: my nervousness about raising my prices, and every time I

666
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: raised my prices, I felt my nervousness and I felt

667
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 1: a part of me contract. I reminded myself that I

668
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: was the guy who was going to workshops using a

669
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Speaker 1: bank loan. You know, I had taken out a bank loan,

670
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Speaker 1: and I valued those workshops so much that I was

671
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Speaker 1: willing to spend three hundred pounds on a three day

672
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Speaker 1: because because to me, it was changing my life. So

673
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Speaker 1: I thought, anybody who values this work, they are the

674
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: people that you're working with anybody who doesn't value this

675
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: work or who has a problem with you charging for it,

676
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: they aren't the kind of mindset that you would sit with.

677
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Speaker 1: And my bigger vision was if I can use my

678
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Speaker 1: sessions to build something to have enough money to employ people.

679
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Speaker 1: Basically the dream that I'm that I had, I'm in

680
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: it now. You know, I'm eighteen years later. Um, my

681
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: work employees about twenty four to put puts money in

682
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: the pocket of twenty five people and their families every month.

683
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: They're not all full time. And then, more importantly to me,

684
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: I would say, the people who received my work, they

685
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: receive it all for free, and none of it's free,

686
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: like I'm spending. Nobody works for me for free, So

687
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: I am spending. You know, my podcast, I spend about

688
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: thirty to dollars a year making that podcast happen. And

689
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: we don't have a sponsor. You know, we don't have

690
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: millions of views on YouTube, so there's no revenue coming

691
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: from there. So I actually managed to create what I wanted.

692
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: But that was my vision, and so money need was

693
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: needed and was required. And I think there is a

694
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Speaker 1: very small contingency and you'll see them out there on

695
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: the internet who will leave a scathing comment about the

696
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Speaker 1: fact that anybody's charging, you know, and for this Yeah,

697
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's a really interesting one because in my

698
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: first years, when I was a bit younger emotionally and

699
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: not physically, but also emotionally and a bit younger and

700
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: a bit wetter behind the years, I think I was

701
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: a little afraid of some of those people and would

702
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: check myself against their judgments. And now I'm like, God,

703
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: love those people, because i would hate to be in

704
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: a position where I'm spending my life out there criticizing

705
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: what other people are doing. I'm like, Wow, for them

706
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: focusing on something they want to resist and push against

707
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: and attack, that's their life. I can't relate to that.

708
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: I've never related to that, So so I have to

709
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: go that is the price of putting your work out

710
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: into the world. There there will be people who won't

711
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: like you. There will be people who will judge you.

712
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: That will happen. You can't avoid it. What you have

713
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: to do is get clear about what, your why and

714
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: your what. And so when I held an event for

715
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs in had sixty five people come for five day

716
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: training with me and Sandy a go Um. The event

717
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: was called Impact the World, which I later named the podcast,

718
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: and incredible people like from all over the world, some

719
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: of them already doing quite well. I presented. There were

720
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: about twenty five sessions in that five days or twenty six,

721
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: and I think I presented twenty of them myself. There

722
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Speaker 1: were two that focused on money. The energy in the

723
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: room dropped on both of those sessions in a way

724
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Speaker 1: that I couldn't believe that everyone got kind of scared

725
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: and contracted, and it wasn't because I was presenting badly,

726
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: I think, do you know, I checked myself like no, no, no,

727
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: you were the same picture as all the other sessions,

728
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: where they were laughing and excited and expanded. But as

729
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: soon as we brought money into the room, you could

730
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: feel our hearts clamped and we got nervous. And it

731
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: was great because I was like, yeah, I remember that,

732
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: I remember having that me and how having to work

733
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: through that. So the reason I created the course on

734
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: Your Value a few years ago is because I recognized

735
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: that's one of the first stumbling blocks that we have,

736
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: and it's not just about money, it's about being able

737
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: to Even if I didn't fully understand how I was

738
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: doing what I was doing. If I had rejected all

739
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: of the positive feedback from other people, I would I

740
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: would have basically just been in self sabotage. I didn't

741
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: fully understand it. I was thrilled it was working for them.

742
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I certainly wasn't walking away going, oh great, I know

743
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: how to do this thing for them. I was just

744
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: listening to them. They were telling me about my value.

745
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: They were feeding back my value. The work I had

746
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: to do was to meet it and to understand how

747
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: who I needed to be and what growth areas did

748
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: I need to go through to embody my mission. And

749
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: so you know, if I died tomorrow, I'm so grateful

750
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: I was able to go through the growth path of

751
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: doing this work because I might not have been able too,

752
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: and I might not have had the right people around me.

753
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: But I'm so grateful I did because I'm like, wow,

754
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: look at look at where it ended up, and look

755
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: at how many people get affected for free, um, even

756
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: though I'm spending what what we have in the business

757
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: in order to do it. So it's to me, that's

758
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. So I think you have to know, you

759
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: have to get clear, and you have to do some

760
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: work on yourself. To get clear about your why and

761
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: to know where finance is aligned with your mission um

762
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: and also where finance might be showing up as a wound,

763
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: not just the wound of I don't deserve this, but

764
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: I've equally met other people who come out the gate

765
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: and they haven't got a following, they haven't built an audience,

766
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: they haven't offered value to people yet, and they're like, well,

767
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm charging five dollars because I'm worth that, And I'm like,

768
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: do we have any proof? Do we have any evidence?

769
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I understand the part of your your

770
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: ego and your mind that says I'm worth five dollars,

771
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: but any customer has to agree with you, has to

772
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: choose you based on your value. You know that it's

773
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: the powers in the customer's hands, So work with that relationship.

774
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting too that you said that that final piece,

775
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, that's some of the toxicity

776
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: that came from this era that we're kind of inching

777
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: out of this idea of a girl boss or a

778
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: boss or you know, we just came out of this huge,

779
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: really like seven year expanded kind of experience around entrepreneurship

780
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: and this big move to a lot of people everyone

781
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, founder founder this, Like we we've been in

782
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: the age of sell yourself in the bio of your

783
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: social media and always do it with kind of sketching

784
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: old school marketing style. Right, there's a difference between fake

785
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: it till you make it, like hold yourself like you

786
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: deserve to be there, but not fraud right, like you

787
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: don't want to to be frauding, um fraudulent you know

788
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: with people. And I think that point you said is

789
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: so important. You know, we have just spent several years

790
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: looking at memes that actually I think are doing such

791
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: a disservice to younger, millennial and Gen Z people entering

792
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: the workforce. There's been a lot of people who have

793
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: never um reached actual business success, but their template is

794
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: that kind of marketing system of I'll coach you to

795
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: have clients, even though I've never had clients, aside from

796
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: the people that I'm coaching to have clients. And you know,

797
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: it's like we've been reading a lot of things that

798
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: go in there, asked for double asked for double cis

799
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, see see what you're made of, or or

800
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: go and apply for the jobs that you don't actually

801
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: that you're not actually equipped for because you know that

802
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: might be for you. And it's like no, no, no,

803
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: that's tricking people to hire you for things you can't do,

804
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: which is very different from looking to expand and elevate

805
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: yourself based on what you know you're capable of doing.

806
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: And so it drives me nuts when people just say, yeah,

807
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: I think I'll charge two fifty for this. No, I'm

808
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: gonna just say five because I'm worth it. And it's like,

809
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: none of this is sustainable. It's not sustainable even for

810
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: our economy, and it's creating this you know, this fast

811
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: paced UM I think earning for people in a way

812
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: that is just about them consuming and buying things for

813
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: themselves and it it doesn't actually make sense and it's

814
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: not sustainable and it's not an integrity with UM what

815
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: you're delivering for people. Yeah, yeah, very true. And also

816
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: you know again it's it's like no, no, it's the

817
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: isolation of what I'm worth is really bad business, because

818
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: business is a service customer exchange. Like it's to do

819
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: is do you have And again I'm using the terminology

820
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: customers because we're talking about it. You could you have

821
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: to say you could use people or clients or whatever

822
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: you want to use. But you know, one of the

823
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: things I say about customers, like I'll give you an

824
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: example that I talk about in on Your Value. When

825
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: I'm on Amazon going to find something, and Amazon suggests

826
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: and things for me, and I maybe I have the

827
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: time to click on one. I don't purchase something out

828
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: of pity for that person or worry about that person's

829
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: feel No, I should keep reading the product description because

830
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the person who wrote it. Now

831
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: I just go, no, this product description, nothing in this

832
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: for me. I'm not resonating you know, as customers, and

833
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: this is what I teach in on your Value, we

834
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: are correctly self centered. We are if we are going

835
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: to give something to you, we are correct in being

836
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: or what am I getting out of this? What's this for?

837
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: And that that is that that is the piece that

838
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: you you have to understand, like with your with your people,

839
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: where are you giving them value before you want to

840
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: charge them value? Which is why I think it's so um.

841
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, we have this incredible system now with the

842
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Internet where you can put various things out there online

843
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: for free and people can taste test you. But if

844
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: you're only doing that in a manipulative way. If you're like,

845
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: here's the first minute of my presentation, now click here,

846
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: Like the people who are going to sign up for

847
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: that are either easily manipulated, low self esteem, they don't

848
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: really know what they're getting into. Is that the client

849
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: base you want to work with? And so I think

850
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: authentic marketing requires fully understanding who you are and what

851
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: you're here for. And I saw a guy yesterday so

852
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: interesting something came across my radar and newsletter and his

853
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: whole marketing pitch. He starts his method with saying what's

854
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: wrong with the self help industry and how he's solving it,

855
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: and I, you know, without I just I was like, wow,

856
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: I would never go to that because I don't want to.

857
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: But you know who will, all the people who agree

858
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: with what he finds wrong with the self help industry.

859
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. It's just everyone's different and we all

860
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: need different things, and there are so many groups. There

861
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: are so many people out there who would love what

862
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: you do. But it's not so much about you being

863
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: validated or you getting paid a certain amount that will

864
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: help a little bit. It's actually about are you in

865
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: an exchange that you can go to bed at night

866
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: going well, I feel like today was a good day

867
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: because trust me, as an entrepreneur, you're gonna have a

868
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Speaker 1: whole lot of learning and a whole lot of challenges

869
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: and days that are more stressful than others and certain ice.

870
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Speaker 1: But if you can ultimately go it's worth it, it's

871
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Speaker 1: this is then you're in a good place. Lee. Tell

872
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: me about the latest book that has arrived this month.

873
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: What was your inspiration for this book? You know you

874
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: you've been, Um, you've been a very very prolific writer

875
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: and artist for many, many years. And your latest book,

876
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: Conversation with Disease, Book one, the Energetics of the New

877
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: Human Soul. That title off top chills. Um, what what

878
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: is this latest book about? I have a copy here,

879
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: so I just can't help but hold it like that.

880
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: There's always that thrilled part of you that it exists.

881
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, it became real. Well, you know,

882
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: the funniest thing is the only books I have written

883
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: so far. This is the second and and there's a

884
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: third one coming next spring, which is booked two of

885
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: Conversations with Disease. They're channeled. So I actually feel like

886
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: I don't have much shay in it. There was no

887
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: plan to write a new Channel book, but I did

888
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: ask Diana Edwards, who is a psychotherapist and a real

889
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: spiritual old soul like she is. She's read so many

890
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: of the books. She's very in it. She she's very

891
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: aligned with spirituality in a very deep way. She and

892
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: I have been friends for about five six years and

893
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: she would have occasional conversations with disease when we meet up,

894
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: and she was a wonderful conversation partner for them. So

895
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Speaker 1: I said, Die, would you mind if we did some

896
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: recordings for my members community the portal and will give

897
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Speaker 1: them a conversation each month. And that was it. That

898
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: was all we were doing. And a lo and behold.

899
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Speaker 1: By the end of day one, where we recorded the

900
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: first three hours worth of conversations, Uh, I just went

901
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: back to the cottage I was staying in that night

902
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: and just this, this, this needs to be a book.

903
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: And so that that was kind of how it all began.

904
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Speaker 1: And then the z s were like, oh no, no,

905
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Speaker 1: this is a book series and there's going to be

906
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Speaker 1: a number of them. So you know, I'm I'm loosely

907
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: holding that going okay, well, we're working on three right now,

908
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: so we know there are three. Um, but yeah, it's

909
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: this very interesting blend of a grounded but spiritually well

910
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: educated psychotherapist asking more earthbound questions to disease. And she's

911
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: very good at picking up on things they'll say because

912
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: the disease, as they've said, they speak in circles, because

913
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: every they say, anything that we say is circular, and

914
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: it can link to all of these other circles. So

915
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: you might ask one question and seven things are given

916
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Speaker 1: in the answer, and Diana is very good at identifying

917
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: what the audience might want to hear next. And because

918
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Speaker 1: I have no control over that when I'm channeling, it's like,

919
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, where where do they want to go? So

920
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Speaker 1: it was a really fascinating process, and I'm really hardened

921
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Speaker 1: to hear from the first people who've read the book

922
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: who had also heard the audio because the audio book

923
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Speaker 1: we retained the original conversations rather than re narrating it.

924
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Speaker 1: I wanted the energy of Diana speaking to disease the

925
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Speaker 1: day it happened. Um, they've testified that there's an intensity

926
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Speaker 1: and a piece in the book that matches the audio,

927
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Speaker 1: And you never quite know how it's going to translate.

928
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Speaker 1: So that's kind of how this book came to be.

929
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Speaker 1: And it's called the Energetics of the New Human Soul

930
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Speaker 1: because they're really talking about who we are becoming as

931
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Speaker 1: a society and who we are set to become in

932
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Speaker 1: the coming decades and what's going on right now. And

933
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Speaker 1: they talk about this battle that we're in between. They say,

934
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Speaker 1: you can think of it as as an energy war,

935
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Speaker 1: and it has really, i'm very aware, very known to us.

936
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Speaker 1: That's why we're in such an awakening. So you know,

937
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Speaker 1: they'll say, it's not an easy time to be alive,

938
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Speaker 1: but it's a thrilling time to be alive because of

939
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Speaker 1: the transition that we're going through. So it's very interesting

940
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: to hear that perspective on it all. I cannot wait

941
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: to dive into that. I can't wait to just be

942
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: in personal, private conversation with you again and to ask questions.

943
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: So that that book is now available in stores, everyone

944
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: can connect to it. And I also want to really

945
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Speaker 1: highlight to the course that you're running this month as

946
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: well that own your value and highly recommend to anybody

947
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: that feels called um, you know, really exploring your relationship

948
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: to your value into the way that you own your gifts,

949
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: your purpose, who you are, and the way that you

950
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: share it. Lee, how can everyone connect with you and

951
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: your work? Yeah, if you go to my web sight,

952
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: Lee Harris Energy dot Com, you'll find everything there. Um.

953
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: We also create music, new age music that's spiritual in

954
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: nature but also kind of quite modern in other parts. Um.

955
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: And the book is available at Amazon. Um. And I

956
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: have a YouTube channel Lee Harris Energy to where every

957
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: month I do an energy update, which is a free

958
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: usually thirty minute video or I kind of I get

959
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: themes from disease every month of usually seven to eight

960
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: things that we're going to walk through. Doesn't mean all

961
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: of us will walk through every one of them, but

962
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: usually people are quite resonant with that used at least

963
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: a few themes. So I expand on those themes and

964
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: how to navigate them and what they might look like

965
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: and what they might feel like. That's probably the most

966
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: popular thing I do, and that's every month at the

967
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: beginning of the month. Um. But yeah, Lee Harris Energy

968
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,479
Speaker 1: dot Com is where you can find all of it. Yes,

969
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: and the I g everyone you want watch those YouTube

970
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: videos and one of my personal favorite offerings of yours

971
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: is your newsletter, so I highly recommend that people connect

972
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: to your newsletter through your website. Lee, I adore you

973
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: with my whole soul. Thank you, I love you, my friends,

974
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you coming on the show. Thank you.

975
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: It's my honor. And thank you to everyone listening and watching.

976
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: And if nothing else, I hope you take away from

977
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: this conversation that you can sit and have a conversation

978
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: with your higher self, all your soul for a couple

979
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: of minutes a day and and let that energy really

980
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: move through you, uplift you and expand you. It's certainly

981
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: changed my life to do that. Big love, big thank

982
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: you to Lee Harris for joining us on this show.

983
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: And I want to throw it once more. If you

984
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: felt connected to some of the things that Lee was

985
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: talking about as it relates to owning your value, you

986
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: can go to his website for more info on joining

987
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: that course and on getting more information on downloads as

988
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: it has to do with that very expansive aspect of

989
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: our lives, you know today for a little bit of

990
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: soul work. On this episode. You know, we touched on

991
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: so many many things, but I feel really connected um

992
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: to thinking about two things. One I think the soul

993
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: work for this episode to spend time with your journal

994
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: with a little bit later as your schedule allows. It

995
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: is considered writing for a page or a couple of

996
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: pages on the way that you own or would like

997
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: to own your value. What is a way that you

998
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: can take more ownership over the value that you bring

999
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: to the world, that you bring to the lives of others,

1000
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: the value that you allow yourself to experience about yourself.

1001
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: So spend spend some time there after your meditation, get quiet,

1002
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: find a place to write that feels um, beautiful, elemental,

1003
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: and really sit with that thought, how can I own

1004
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 1: my value? What are some ways that I can take

1005
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: even more ownership on my value? Over my value? And

1006
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: the second piece of soul work that I'd like to

1007
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: invite everyone to consider today. If there's someone in your

1008
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: external life, maybe someone whose work you connect to, someone's

1009
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: whose podcast, whose instagram, whose books, whose writings, whose offerings

1010
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: of any kind of variety that you connect to in

1011
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: your life right now, consider sharing a quick thank you

1012
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: with them in whatever way it feels good, uh, and

1013
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: consider sharing their work with someone that is meaningful for

1014
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: you in your own life. But if there are people

1015
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: touching you in a way that really means something to

1016
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: you right now, or even if someone has a product

1017
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: that you really love, take five minutes today to send

1018
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: them a message about it, to send them a review,

1019
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: to give them a rating, to give them a kind

1020
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: note with language that really speaks to what they are

1021
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: aiding in your life or how they're showing up you

1022
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: know something about It is easy for us to get

1023
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: upset when we feel our needs aren't met or when

1024
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: we're being triggered about ways that we feel about ourselves

1025
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do um. You know. Sometimes with

1026
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: the present moment, it's easy for us to make the

1027
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: time to sign up for a forum, to sign up

1028
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: to leave a review if we feel charged and want

1029
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: to say something negative or critical. But we don't always

1030
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: find that same time when we want to share the

1031
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: positives of something or um speak life into something that

1032
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: we're enjoying. And there's no right or wrong for why

1033
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: we do or don't do that. Uh. Sometimes just a

1034
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: charge of upsetness or triggering tends to give us that

1035
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: added motivation to act. But consider doing that with things

1036
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: that are beloved to you, things that you enjoy, things

1037
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,479
Speaker 1: that you love, put some good energy in the world,

1038
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: share some good karma, and share some kind intent with

1039
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: people that are providing a service that you like, that

1040
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: you enjoy, that you need. So those are two bits

1041
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Speaker 1: of soul work. As always, so grateful to be connected

1042
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: with everyone that connects with this show. Hit me up,

1043
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: let me know what you thought of this episode. Hit

1044
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: me on the gram all the things big love and

1045
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Speaker 1: on the stay hey, find me on social Let's connect

1046
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: at Debbie Brown. That's Twitter and Instagram, or go to

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Speaker 1: my website Debbie Brown dot com. And if you're listening

1048
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Speaker 1: to the show on Apple Podcasts, please please please don't

1049
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Speaker 1: forget to rate, review, and subscribe and send this episode

1050
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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and The Black Effect Network. It's produced by

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Speaker 1: Jack Lee and me Debbie Brown. For more podcasts from

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