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Speaker 1: Buck on this lovely Friday. I appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 1: Our friend Tutor Dixon joins us now. Tutor is, of

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Speaker 1: course the host of the Tutor Dixon Show on the

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Speaker 1: play in Box podcast network, and she is up in

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Speaker 1: her home state of Michigan right now. She's in Bay City,

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Speaker 1: in fact, and a fellow by the name of jd

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Speaker 1: Vance is in your neighborhood today, Tutor, you guys are

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Speaker 1: hanging out. What's going on up there? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. He and Kelly Leffler, who is the administrator of

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Speaker 2: speak about the importance of manufacturing in Michigan. That was

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Speaker 1: So what can be done by the Trump administration, perhaps

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Speaker 2: And so not only has he focused on that, but

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like when you're talking to people up

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Speaker 2: Up in Michigan, the people if Michigan came out strong

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Speaker 2: And I look forward to watching the matchup of Big

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Speaker 1: with Gretchen Whittmer. Next up here on our list of

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Speaker 1: We're obsessed. You're a dude who says he's a chick

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Speaker 4: have student visas. And so my attitude on this is

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Speaker 4: this is not fundamentally about free speech, and to me, yes,

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Speaker 4: it's about national security, but it's also more importantly about

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Speaker 4: who do we as an American public decide gets to

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Speaker 4: join our national community. And if the Secretary of State

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Speaker 4: and the President decide this person shouldn't be in America and.

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Speaker 1: They have no legal right to stay here.

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Speaker 4: It's as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. That is the authority, that is

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Speaker 1: the rule. And this is taking us back to an

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Speaker 1: earlier era. You go back and look at immigration, and

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Speaker 1: first of all, within our laws already on the books

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Speaker 1: for things like visas. You go back and you look

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Speaker 1: at what was happening at the turn of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: A big concern for us was communism and people coming

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Speaker 1: into this country with socialist slash communist ties ideas and

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Speaker 1: wanting to foment communist revolution in America. And I know

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Speaker 1: now people dismiss this stuff and say, was that ever really?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it was a big deal. And communism anarchism

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Speaker 1: as well, they're different. But you had a period where

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Speaker 1: you know, eighteen ninety into the nineteen twenties, and that

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Speaker 1: was a big concern, and it was an issue for

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Speaker 1: immigration purposes as well. And I think that even when

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Speaker 1: you go get a security clearance, you know, they ask

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Speaker 1: you and they say, you know, have you ever been

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Speaker 1: a part of a group that tries to overthrow the

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Speaker 1: United States. It's I think it's reasonable that we don't

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Speaker 1: want those people coming into the country or getting a

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Speaker 1: security clearance. And I think that people who have an

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Speaker 1: espouse ideology that is clearly at odds with or is

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Speaker 1: hostile to our way of life are are subject to deportation. Now,

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Speaker 1: you could say, what about Americans who feel that way?

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Speaker 1: A lot of Democrats maybe who feel that way, just

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Speaker 1: throwing it out there, but what about Americans who feel

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Speaker 1: that way? That is the price we pay for free speech,

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Speaker 1: is that you can have a lot of Americans who

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Speaker 1: say things that we really really hate, but they're allowed

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Speaker 1: to They're allowed to have ideas that other Americans hate.

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Speaker 1: In fact, and this is this is really a cliche

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Speaker 1: now because everyone's heard it so many times. But if

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Speaker 1: you won't protect speech that is offensive to a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in this country, you aren't You aren't actually

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Speaker 1: protecting free speech. I don't need free speech when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the government leaving me alone to discuss the weather.

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Speaker 1: I did need free speech when it came to telling

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Speaker 1: people that the government was wrong about vaccine mandates and

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Speaker 1: about masks and about lockdowns, for example during COVID. Then

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Speaker 1: free speech matters, and a lot of people failed that test.

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Speaker 1: The government failed that test, the Biden administration horrifically. So

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Speaker 1: and so yes, I think that we're we're re orienting

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Speaker 1: our thinking about immigration, where yes, we're allowed to tell

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Speaker 1: people they can and can't come here, and yes we're

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Speaker 1: allowed to pick who can and can come here based

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Speaker 1: upon what kind of a person they are, what they believe,

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Speaker 1: what kind of contribution they will make. It's not supposed

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Speaker 1: to be just whoever shows up, whoever's in walking distance

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Speaker 1: of the border gets to stay here. So that is

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Speaker 1: a big change. Now let's get into some of the

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Speaker 1: defense here of the macmood Khalil. Here is his attorney,

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Speaker 1: Donna Lieberman and her Look, she's his attorney, So you're

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Speaker 1: going to hear the stuff that an attorney would say.

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Speaker 1: Play thirteen.

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Speaker 6: He's being charged with having ideas and speaking out about them,

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Speaker 6: ideas that the government disapproves of. And really that's all

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Speaker 6: there is to it. This is a targeted, retaliatory and

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Speaker 6: extreme attack on the right of free expression. It's a

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Speaker 6: legal concept from this administration, but it has no basis

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Speaker 6: in law, and it has no basis in under a

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Speaker 6: constitution that protects the right of free speech. The First

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Speaker 6: Amendment protects everybody in the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're here on a visa, we can

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Speaker 1: pull your visa. Right. So they're not saying, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: going to lock you up for twenty years for saying

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Speaker 1: things we didn't like. They're saying, you know what, you're

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Speaker 1: a jerk, and we're making you go home. And again

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but my understanding of it is,

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Speaker 1: and certainly Secretary of Rubio and Vice President Vance and

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Speaker 1: many others have spoken out on this is government can

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Speaker 1: do that. Government can say, hey, it's been real, buddy,

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Speaker 1: but you get to go back now. And this is

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Speaker 1: where I think this is likely eventually to wind its

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Speaker 1: way through the core. Interesting. I wonder how high up

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Speaker 1: this will go, but it could go to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: But I think eventually the courts will find in favor

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Speaker 1: of the administration. Again, assuming my read of the statutes

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Speaker 1: involved here is correct. I mean, that's certainly the position

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Speaker 1: that the Trump administration is taking. Absolutely, if this guy

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Speaker 1: was a US citizen, to be clear, if Mahmud Khalil

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Speaker 1: was a US citizen, this would absolutely be unconstitutional and

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Speaker 1: illegal to arrest him, and all this other stuff just

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Speaker 1: based on speech. See what this is what was confusing

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Speaker 1: in the early days. The people were saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: he was involved in violent protests and destruction of property,

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Speaker 1: and he should have been charged with crimes. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: he commits crimes, then you can arrest him when you

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Speaker 1: charge him with those crimes. But they're not actually, as

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Speaker 1: far as I have seen, charging him with crimes. They

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Speaker 1: are saying, you're a guest and we're sick of you

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Speaker 1: because you're annoying and you say bad thing, go home,

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Speaker 1: different thing. So we have these these separate and this

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Speaker 1: has been my understanding of it up to this point.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, we got more from the attorney or this

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Speaker 1: has cut fourteen Donald Lieberman saying they've kidnapped this guy.

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Speaker 1: Play it.

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Speaker 6: They kidnapped this man, this young student father to be

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Speaker 6: in any minute now, based on an accusation that he

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Speaker 6: has the wrong political ideas and he has expressed them.

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Speaker 6: And this isn't just about him. This is a shot

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Speaker 6: across the bow. This is a message to every university

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Speaker 6: in the country. This is a message to every member

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Speaker 6: of the faculty in any university, to all the students.

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Speaker 6: It's an attempt to bully the universities into submission. It's

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Speaker 6: an attempt to bully and intimidate students from speaking out,

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Speaker 6: faculty from speaking out, and it's an attempt to bully

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Speaker 6: the rest of us into being quiet and going with

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Speaker 6: the administration's program.

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Speaker 1: You see, that's just not true because the rest of

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Speaker 1: us who are citizens aren't bothered by this at all, because,

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Speaker 1: as I said, and it wouldn't. This guy is the

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Speaker 1: stuff that he says, destroying lesson of civilization, being on

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Speaker 1: the side of Hamas you know, I despise all of that,

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Speaker 1: and I try to devote my professional life to countering

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Speaker 1: that here on this program. But if he were an

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Speaker 1: American citizen, the things that he said would not be

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Speaker 1: enough unless I'm missing something, would not be enough for

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Speaker 1: an arrest and any kind of a charge. But this

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Speaker 1: is about immigration law. This is not about speech law

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Speaker 1: per se or violation of some kind of a criminal statute.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's an interesting case in that respect,

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Speaker 1: and the administration, the Trump administration, is taking an aggressive

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Speaker 1: stance on it. And like I said, I wanted all

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Speaker 1: of us to be clear because you have to remember

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Speaker 1: that there will be a Democrat president at some point

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Speaker 1: and they will use this too, because no one's ever

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Speaker 1: done this for in my knowledge, at least in living memory,

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever done this before. But now

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Speaker 1: this is a this is a precedent that has been

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Speaker 1: so you know, we're gonna have to live with it.

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's a that's a good thing. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: a good thing as long as the people in charge

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Speaker 1: are pulling visas of those who are truly radicals and

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Speaker 1: heinous and and attack our way of life with their ideas.

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Speaker 1: But remember Democrats will say that about people who don't

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Speaker 1: use proper pronouns. So that's the this becomes the issue

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Speaker 1: for it, and this is why it's important. Elections have

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Speaker 1: Elections have consequences. Elections have consequences, including apparently Rosie O'Donnell

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Speaker 1: going to Ireland. A reporter this is pretty funny. Actually

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Speaker 1: this is the Oval office. A reporter has asked the

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Speaker 1: Irish PM, because there was a meeting with Trump and

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Speaker 1: the and the Prime Minister of Ireland, why would you

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Speaker 1: let Rosie O'Donnell. I'm sorry, The reporter asked the Irish

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Speaker 1: PM about it, and then Trump weighs in on the

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Speaker 1: Rosie move to Ireland played twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Carlan is known for very happy, fun, loving people, great actions.

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Speaker 1: Getting in this room right now that I've met Why

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Speaker 1: the world would you let Rosie o'donald move to our

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Speaker 1: It's just going to lower your happiness low.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I like that question. You know who she is? You

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Speaker 1: better knowing, you're better off not knowing.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Trump and Rosie O'donnald's log standing feud. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of just funny. They don't like each other

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Speaker 1: and they've gone after each other in the press. But

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Speaker 1: hopefully for Rosie's sake, they don't have some statute in

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Speaker 1: Ireland where if you just have terrible ideas and uh

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Speaker 1: and are too trump de range, you get sent you

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Speaker 1: get sent out of Ireland to America or whatever kind

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Speaker 1: of I think she's trying to get citizenship there, so

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Speaker 1: she's got some work to do on it. But you'll

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Speaker 1: notice other countries have their own set up, their own

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Speaker 1: rules about this, and that's just the way it is.

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Speaker 1: joining up as well. I want to just say welcome

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Speaker 1: to all of them. We are very excited to be

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Speaker 1: able to speak to your audiences. There are dozens of

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Speaker 1: them that have joined, so we I won't name them

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Speaker 1: all right now because off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: that's going to be kind of a long list, which

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Speaker 1: is a high class, high class problem. But you know,

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Speaker 1: this weekend, I'm doing something pretty interesting. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be heading out to heading out to North Carolina to

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Speaker 1: do some training with my brothers and DJ Shipley, who

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Speaker 1: is a decorated former Seal Team six operative who we

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Speaker 1: will be spending some time just going through tactics and all.

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Speaker 1: We're basically showing up saying, DJ, teach us as much

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Speaker 1: as you can this weekend about about guns, about tactics,

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Speaker 1: about shooting, about marksmanship, you know, about self defense, about

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Speaker 1: room clearing. I mean, you know, whatever we've got time for.

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Speaker 1: We're just showing up ready to go. And so I'll

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Speaker 1: let you I'll let you know how that is next

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Speaker 1: week when I get a chance to after I've gotten

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Speaker 1: a chance to see for my But it's really it's

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Speaker 1: fun also to spend some time with the brothers. You know,

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Speaker 1: I have a baby coming in less than a month now,

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Speaker 1: and so the weekends where I can just take off

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Speaker 1: with with the guys, with my two brothers, and just

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Speaker 1: go and shoot a lot and work on marksmanship and

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Speaker 1: work on those those basics of firearm skills. It might

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Speaker 1: be a little tougher, I might have a lot more

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Speaker 1: diaper changing and things like that in my future, but

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Speaker 1: that will be a huge blessing and I am looking

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Speaker 1: forward to that too. I will say, it is remarkable

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Speaker 1: how hard it is to install these car seats in

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Speaker 1: the back of cars. I don't know how many of

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Speaker 1: you have felt the same way about this. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of you are parents, a lot of your grandparents,

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Speaker 1: a lot of you have plenty of kids. But there's

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Speaker 1: got to be a better way, you know, There's got

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Speaker 1: to be an easier way than what we've got going on.

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Speaker 1: You gotta like slide through the and you got anchors

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Speaker 1: and you got to slide this. This stuff should be

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Speaker 1: so much easier in my mind than it really is.

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Speaker 1: So oh oh, that's a great idea producer Ali is saying,

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Speaker 1: leave me talkback baby advice this weekend and we'll get

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Speaker 1: to some of it next week. So on the talkback app,

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Speaker 1: or rather on the talkback feature on the iHeart radio app,

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Speaker 1: you can send us remember those are like voicemails, so

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Speaker 1: you don't have to if you want to call live

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Speaker 1: on hold. We love our live callers on the phone,

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Speaker 1: but if you don't want to hold, you just want

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Speaker 1: to send in your message. You do that and it

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Speaker 1: goes into us and we all hear it, and I

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Speaker 1: certainly see see or hear every talkback. We can't get

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Speaker 1: to all of them on the air, but we'll get

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Speaker 1: to as many as we can. So baby advice by

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Speaker 1: all means, send it my way and I'll let you

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Speaker 1: know how training goes this weekend. Trying to work on

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Speaker 1: my skills, just trying to learn, trying to understand more

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Speaker 1: about you know, trying to learn from the best, honestly,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's why we made this weekend happen with

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Speaker 1: the DJ Shiffley. So we'll tell you about that and

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Speaker 1: Clay's back with me on Monday. Talk to you then,

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Speaker 1: Shield Hig