WEBVTT - How Foreign Accent Syndrome Works 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.640 Hey, March is tripod month, my friend, and you know 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.680 what that means. Yes, that means it's time to let 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:11.360 people know about your favorite podcasts, just to share the 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.400 sheer joy of podcast listening. That's right, it's t r 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.479 y pod. Still in nascent industry. A lot of people 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.880 don't know what podcasts are and helps everybody out if 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.240 you would go out and just say, hey, family member, 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.920 who I see it? Thanksgiving once a year? Right, you 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.000 should try out this thing called a podcast. Here's what 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:30.920 they are. Here's a cool show you should try, and 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:32.479 here's how to get it. Yeah, and it doesn't have 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.800 to be our show, just any podcast you like in 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.320 general that you think someone else would like, just share it. Yeah, 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:44.120 So get on board the dry pod train. Welcome to 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:53.560 Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.040 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.840 Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry's here is always So 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.759 it's stuff you should know. Stuff you should You should 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.319 have said that in a British accent. It's stuff you 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:13.000 should know. Hey, how was that? It was great? You're 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:19.840 a regular rich little remember the arrest development little subplot 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:24.000 where Charlie Starren. It was thought to be a British spy. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.440 Oh yeah, what was for British eyes only? Yeah? But 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.400 what was um? The name of her character, mr F 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.640 mr F. That's right, that's right. Anyw I had some 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.559 like they said that every time. Right, it was pretty funny. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:44.839 She's great. Yeah, she was pretty lady, funny, smart, Yeah, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.640 good actor? What else? That's all I got on her? 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.560 She can macrom Oh really, I don't know. I just assume. Okay, 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:02.320 this is after a great start. Uh uh is it's unusual? 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.240 Odd even you could say that. You suggested I say 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.440 the intro in a British accent because we're talking about 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:15.040 foreign accents today, Chuck, that's right, it was COI mm hmm. 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.320 I see now that makes sense. Yes, and we're specifically 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:24.959 not talking about um. There's a thing sometimes that certain 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:29.680 people do when they meet someone with a an accent 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:35.960 different than their own, where they accidentally or sometimes purposely, 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:42.240 adopted momentarily. Yes, it's called code switching. My mom has 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.160 done this before that I remember. It happened when I 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.320 was a kid. My brother and I thought it was 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.480 so funny. Yeah. Yeah, And it seems like it's usually 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:58.520 apparent of an embarrassed child. Sure, um and is there 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:03.440 an explanation behind it? Yeah? Yeah? So? Um so this 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.520 is from what I understand, This is the point. Right. So, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:10.399 our accents are extremely personal. They're part of like us individually, 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:15.120 but they also signal our membership in different groups. Right. So, 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.880 like a farmer is gonna talk differently from a stockbroker, 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.280 and a farmer from UH, Georgia is going to talk 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.760 a lot differently than a stockbroker from UH Portland, Oregon, 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.720 right because it's the other stock market seat. They thought 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:35.360 I was gonna say New York. Nope. Um. So when 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.960 we when we code switch, when we meet other people 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:44.120 and take on their their way of talking, it's called 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.760 code switching. And I think it's a way of signaling, hey, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.360 I we have something in comment. I don't want you 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.640 to be distracted by Yeah my my overalls with no 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.160 shirt on are distracting enough. I don't want you to 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.800 be distracted by my accent too. So I think it 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.960 is a way of saying, like, hey, I'm, i'm, I'm, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.800 we have something in common. The thing is, accents are 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.640 such a part of group identity that if you do 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.400 that in front of some other members of your group, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.320 whether it's your family or your friends or whatever, they're 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.320 gonna tease you. They are going to tease you, guaranteed. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.200 And one of the reasons why is because what they're doing, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.719 consciously or otherwise is maintaining the borders of their own 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.800 group's identity. They're saying, don't put on airs, don't think 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.000 you're fancy, don't think you're just like that guy, You're 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.800 one of us, and and making fun of somebody who 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.359 adopts someone else's accent as a way of doing that, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:41.880 it's a way of maintaining group divisions and borders where really, 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.240 when you do kind of adopt someone else's accent, I 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.200 think one of the things that you are doing is 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.440 trying to make the foreigner, the stranger feel more comfortable. 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.359 And having met your mom, I guarantee that's what she 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.839 was doing. Well. I just remember the only one I 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.480 remember specifically, and you know, you just said these random 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.800 eildhood moments that sort of stick with you, was we 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.440 were in Florida and we were talking with uh, an 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:10.160 Irish woman. I believe she may have been from England, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.440 but I think she was Irish. And the other thing too, is, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.280 you know, I don't. I don't think my mom had 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.880 probably talked to a lot of Irish people at that point. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.800 You know, she's from West Tennessee and moved to Georgia. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.599 We didn't have Irish people all over the place. She 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.960 wasn't super well traveled back then, although she is much 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.960 more now. Um so it was probably a bit novel 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.120 to her. And I remember very specifically, the woman said 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.920 something about going to Disney, uh instead of Disney World, 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.200 and my mom said, she got kind of proper and 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:41.960 she says, you know, we haven't been to Disney yet. 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.039 And I remember my brother and I just thought that 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.400 was so funny instead of saying Disney World. Did you 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.120 guys make fun of her of the woman? No, I 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.760 don't think so. We may have laughed a little um 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.120 under our breath, but I mean, I don't think we. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.840 I don't think we even teased her. I'm teasing her 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.479 now a bit, but um, I don't think like we 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.560 made fun of her. Really. I think we just kind of, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.919 like my brother and I want to do, very quietly, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.560 looked at each other and in that way that brothers do, right, 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.360 and then talk to each other like the kids and 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.960 escape from which mountain? Yeah, or they telepathic? Uh, but 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.520 it's funny. I was listening to um the Great Judge 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:24.040 John Hodgman podcast with our pal John in Class Jesse 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.840 Thorne Bailiff Jesse, and they had an actual case a 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.000 few weeks ago that was very funny where this this 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.840 mom um does this on purpose. She's a trained actor 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.599 and loves to put on accents when she goes to places, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.040 and the daughter was just she took her to the 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.080 uh Internet court and was just like stop doing this, 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.159 like you've got to stop doing this. And the mom's 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:54.279 whole thing, she was very just fun and whimsical and 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.080 having a lot of fun with it. So it was 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.680 really hard to to rule against her. But I think 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.960 Jaman ultimately did rule against her. He's tough, but well, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.839 I think his whole thing was, like, you know, I 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.640 think he ruled partially in her favor, like you gotta 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.880 let him know where you're from. And you can't do 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:17.440 it to like waiters and service people because their job 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:22.080 is to like take your dumb jokes and and have 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.240 a stiff upper lip about it, and it just kind 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.360 of makes their job harder if they think maybe you're 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.360 making fun of them, and you know, like you may 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:33.120 not realize the unintended consequence of this is somebody may 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.080 feel uncomfortable that they have to put up with this. Wow, 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.560 that was It was a really serious turn at the 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.000 end there, you know it did? I mean, you know 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.560 that what's great about that show is it's they're funny cases, 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.040 but he adjudicates seriously. I think, well, yeah, and then 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:51.040 Jesse always shoots his gun off at the end. Yeah. Yeah. 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.360 Uh So, anyway, I just thought it was pretty weird 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.960 that this article came up and then that episode had 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.960 just aired. But that's different than what we were talking 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.560 about totally. Like I started saying, this is not that 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:09.160 at all. This is a legitimate, super rare. This reminded 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.560 me of alien hand syndrome and its rarity, um because 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.840 I've seen different numbers, but the most I've seen is 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:21.640 about a hundred and fifty um described official cases of 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:26.120 foreign accent syndrome. Right, That's that's super rare for sure. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.440 And what makes it different from somebody taking on the 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.920 affect or dialect or accident of somebody else. Someone's taking 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.520 the piss, right, this is this is where you you 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:41.360 can't stop. It's involuntary. Yeah, and you know it sounds weird. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.720 It's an ecdotic, and you just wanted to like poke 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.240 the person who's doing that in the next to be 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.320 like what are you doing there? But if you really 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.640 started to dig into the actual cases, it's sad and 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.840 a lot of a lot of cases. Yeah, Because again, 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.880 your accent, what you sound like, makes up a part 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.880 of your personality. So if you are if it, if 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.320 it changes on you involuntarily, it can be quite traumatic 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.559 for some people. You could have an identity crisis of sorts. Yeah. So, um, 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:11.040 I guess we should just go ahead and talk about 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.160 a couple of cases so people know what we're talking about. Um. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.280 The first one mentioned in our own article is really 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.240 interesting for a few reasons. Uh. And it's the most 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.520 recent case that's documented. Um. I'm sorry it's not the 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.640 most recent, but it is fairly recent. Woman named Lisa 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:30.160 Ala mia Um. She had jaw surgery because of an overbite, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.120 and then when she came out of surgery, even though 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.560 she was from Texas and had never been to England, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.840 she spoke with a British accent and she's like, right, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:44.400 bloody hell and h any way, I I need our 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.800 British listeners right in and tell me how how good 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.840 my British accented. Okay, well, I'm known on the show 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.720 for doing the bad accent, so I'm glad you're taking 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.160 up now. Yours are good. I don't know minor. They 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:01.080 verge on decent at times. Well there's carto iss and stereotypical, 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:06.400 but really really good continuous stereotypical versions of accents. Uh. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.760 So she woke up had that accent in her husband 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.880 and three kids. I thought it was a joke. Um, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:13.760 she had only been outside the country to go to 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:18.600 Mexico and it was a real thing called foreign exit syndrome. Yeah, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.400 she'd never been to England. She apparently probably had seen 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.520 British people on TV kind of thing. But her case 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.839 actually is the opposite of what I was saying. She 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:34.520 was apparently, um, quite shy before, and now she has 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.839 something to talk about a conversation opener. I guess she's 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.640 a little more chatty than before. Yeah, it is. It's 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.680 it's the opposite of of some other people who have 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.439 really experienced a crisis. As a results, she's like, well 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.280 I saw him British. Now I guess I should talk 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.959 more than before. So she sounds like a drunk cockney 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.560 chimney sweep pretty much. And she does sound cockney to me. Really, 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.480 I didn't hear I didn't see this one on YouTube, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.480 so yeah, we should say. You know, this is kind 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.240 of like optical illusions. It's one thing to talk about it, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.960 you need to actually go see and hear these people talking. Um. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.120 If you just look up Lisa Alamia A l A 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.839 M I A and you will find plenty of interviews 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:19.760 with her. Um, she's she's, like you said, fairly recent. 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.760 There's one that's a quite a famous case, maybe the 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.480 most famous because it was the one that put foreign 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.920 accent syndrome on the map, even though it was before 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.760 the term was coined. Yeah, this one had had a 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.800 much darker turn, um because it was during World War Two. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:40.320 A Norwegian woman named Astrid suffered injury. Um. And the 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.840 ironies here are really sad. She suffered a brain injury 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:48.040 from shrapnel from a German bomb and a bombing raid, 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.160 and then when she came to she had a German accent. Right, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.520 very not fun for her, No, because the Germans were 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.439 occupying Norway at the time, right, so people she didn't 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.520 really know, we're like, oh, hey German spy, Yeah you 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:09.559 want some milk? No milk for you? Yeah, she was shunned. Um. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.319 She couldn't even speak German, but she had that accent 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.000 and was obviously very distraught by this, and she went 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:22.240 to a neurologist. Name your Erman, Monrad Crohne. Nice job, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.480 it's a great name. And um he coined the first 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:31.240 term uh for this, which is uh this prosody, which 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.720 is a prosody is like the tone and rhythm of 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.800 your speech, and the prefixed discs obviously is like abnormal 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.480 or ill um And that didn't catch on too well. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.480 It didn't, but as we'll see, he kind of nailed 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:50.479 what the problem was because you know, the the the 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.800 non grammatical parts of speech, the prosody or what is affected. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.240 When you have foreign accent syndrome. You you have what 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:04.240 appears to be a foreign accent, but you're usually your vocabulary, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.480 your syntax, your grammar remains unchanged. It's all the little 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.480 nuances that make up your accent or your intonation or 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.360 the rhythm of your speech that are affected and has changed. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.720 So this prosody is actually like the perfect name for 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.280 the syndrome. Yeah, but foreign accent syndrome is way more 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:27.360 catchy and that it's sexy in uh, neurologist named Harry 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.280 Whittaker came up with that um so A Whittaker coined 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.760 it in the eighties. Uh, I think two was when 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.600 he coined that official term, right, and he he was 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.160 a neuro linguist who did some pretty serious research into 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.640 foreign accent syndrome. He actually came up with a four 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.920 point criteria for diagnosing it. And the number one is 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.000 that the accent has to be considered by the patient, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:54.160 the people the patient knows, and the researcher the doctor 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.240 to be to sound like a foreign accent, right for 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.680 pretty straightfor from what they are. Yeah, well that's number 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:06.080 number Two. It has to be different from the patient's 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:10.640 former prosody, noticeably different. Number three it has to be 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.600 related to central nervous system damage and this one has 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.719 come under fire under the last few years. And then 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.080 four it can't be related to a patient's ability to 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:25.680 speak a foreign language already. Right, So there's actually a condition, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:30.480 it's astounding to me. It's called bilingual aphasia, or there's 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:35.680 also polyglott aphasia. And apparently if you suffer a stroke 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.560 or brain injury or some other trauma insult to your 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.840 central nervous system, and you know, more than one language. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.080 You may completely lose the ability to speak one language 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.560 and completely retain the ability to speak the other. That's 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:56.480 how decentralized our language processes in the brain. Well, yeah, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.360 because that's one of the factors in for UH accent 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.560 syndrome is you could it's not like UH in a 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.200 case where you might have a stroke and lose the 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.040 ability to speak like, you still can speak in perfect 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.760 dialect whatever that dialect is as far as being you know, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.280 articulate and coherent. Oh right, right, yeah, yeah, so you're 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.000 you're yeah, exactly, You're not like slurring your speech. You 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.600 just sound different and like a foreign person saying the 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.400 same words would. Right, Oh, gotcha. Okay, So there's this 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:32.200 four point diagnosis criteria that's kind of been deconstructed over 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.920 the years. Um. But the problem with foreign accent syndrome it's, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.200 like you said, Um, there's been a hundred, maybe a 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:43.200 hundred and fifty cases, So it's just totally up in 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.240 the air as to like how did diagnose it, what 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.040 qualifies as that? And we'll talk a little bit about 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.320 how scientists have dug into it thus far after this break, 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.640 so chuck forign accent syndrome. It's kind of all over 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.600 the place right now. Right You've got um Lisa Lamia 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:29.360 Um who woke up from jawl surgery with it. Apparently 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:34.040 people who have strokes can um can suffer from foreign 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.800 accent syndrome. Uh. And I actually saw one case where 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.200 your foreign accent syndrome and one patient who suffered a 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.720 stroke was cured by a second stroke elsewhere in the brain. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:52.680 So we have like it's very tough to predict what's 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.280 going to happen when foreign accent syndrome does come about. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.240 And you know, there's been people from Japan who developed 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.560 Korean act sense, or there have been people from Scotland 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:08.440 who developed South African accents. Um. It's it's kind of 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.879 everywhere and all over. Yeah, you can. One of the 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.560 other causes. It can be from the onset of MS 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.720 from multiple sclerosis. UM. This one woman that we'll talk 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:24.240 about in more details suffered from chronic migraines but had 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.320 a migraine attack so severe that it it's spurred this 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.199 and we'll get to her. But all of these in 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.000 a bucket from some sort of trauma or an event 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:38.080 are called uh neurogenic type. And for a long time 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.119 they used to think that was the only way that 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.760 you could get for an excellent syndrome, right, because I 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:49.040 remember that Harry Whittaker two criteria specifically says it has 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.399 to be related to central nervous system damage. Yeah. So 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:57.840 there's another kind called psychogenic, also non organic or functional 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:02.120 or psychosomatic. But um, one of the leading experts said 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:06.119 that they prefer psychogenic. Uh. He said because quote this 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.600 term has the advantage of stating positively based on an 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.080 exploration of its causes, that the disorder is a manifestation 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:19.480 of psychic psychological dis equilibrium like anxiety depression, personality disorder, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.920 or conversion reaction in quote um, and you know we're 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.359 talking about could be bipolar disorder, it could be some 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:31.440 other form of mental illness. And UM, this really kind 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.840 of rocked. I mean, it's not a huge community studying this, 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.040 but the people that do are obviously super fascinated by it, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.840 and it kind of rocked their world when they found 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.879 out that someone that had no head injury, no stroke, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.200 or anything like that would could have something like this. Yeah. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:51.800 So they developed UM first was neurogenic, then they developed psychogenic, 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.959 and then there's actually a third one now it's mixed. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.879 So apparently it can actually be from a psychological issue 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.520 that possibly could arise from, say a brain lesion. So 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.480 it's both of them together working to create this foreign 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:09.280 accent syndrome and definitely psychogenic. The psychogenic version of foreign 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:14.600 accent syndrome differs tremendously from the neurogenic in a lot 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.800 of ways, and number one is the psychogenic tends to 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.600 clear up and accompanies say like a psychotic break or 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:26.240 a manic episode or something like that UM, And as 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.680 the episode wanes or goes away or clears up, so 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.399 too does the foreign accent syndrome. That is not the 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.560 case with neurogenic. With neurogenic, they have no cure whatsoever, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.480 and basically the only treatment that they can come up 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:44.000 with is UM through speech therapy, where speech language pathologists 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:48.200 basically retrained you to talk the way you did before. Yeah, 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.119 it's also, uh, the neurogenic is also much more common 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.400 out of the cases I think it's about are from 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:59.439 some sort of neurological damage, right, So what does that 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.560 leave for to percent or unless I guess you're accounting 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:07.160 for the new super odd one that is could be both. Um. 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.959 One of the more famous cases that kind of demonstrated 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.560 that psychogenic f A S was an actual thing. UM 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.920 happened here in America. There's a woman in her mid 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.919 thirties who had a history of schizophrenia and her family 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.159 and she was brought to the e R after attacking 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.480 her mom's landlady. Yeah, this one's the most recent case actually, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.960 and she um. She she believed the landlady was practicing 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.200 voodoo on her against her, and she attacked the woman. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.600 UM and throughout all this, during this episode, she had 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.040 taken on a British accent and taking a family history, 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.720 they found that number one, she had schizophrenia or family 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.440 She was diagnosed with schizophrenia as a result of this incident, 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.920 but that she had had similar instances before and during 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.920 these she had spoken with the British accent. Yeah. I wonder, 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.159 I didn't see anything in there about her if she 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.200 like had a I mean that another personality. Is that 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.720 multiple personality disorder? I don't believe. So that's not what 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.760 I took from it, because that would make sense, you know, 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.800 if you have a just a British personality that came 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.960 out that's violent maybe or something. Yeah, well, I mean 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.200 we remember we I think we've done one on schizophrenia before, 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.400 haven't we. I don't know, haven't we. We definitely did 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:27.000 one on dissociative personality disorder UM, which was just absolutely fascinating. 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:30.280 But I was I like you, I kind of noticed, like, hey, 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.320 what about multiple personality? So it doesn't it seems like 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.440 something that would be right up that alley. I'm sure 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:40.200 they've looked into that, but apparently apparently that's not part 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.000 of it. Yeah. Um, another case that I said we 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.440 were going to get to those, This one is really 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.920 weird um and super sad. This woman named Sarah Calwill 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.000 in England. She is the one that had the migraine 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.120 that set it off. And uh, this one is super 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.439 odd because she's an English woman who now has a 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:07.000 Chinese accent. I mean just straight up sounds Chinese and 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:12.320 like broken English Chinese right right, So she sounds like 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:17.240 a native UM. I think Man Mandarin speaker is probably 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:22.080 what we're thinking of. Who um is speaking English? And 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.080 if you weren't looking like you would expect to see, 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.439 say maybe like a middle aged Chinese woman. Uh when 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.920 you looked at the at the video and no, it's 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.760 like I don't know, late late to mid thirties. Um, 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:43.359 Caucasian woman, native born English speaker. Who. Um, and she's 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:44.919 who I was thinking of when I was saying for 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.200 some people, is is a really big problem because it's 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.159 presented a big crisis for her identity. She said that 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.159 she can't look in the mirror while she's speaking any longer. 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.159 She just doesn't feel like herself anymore. It's really hit 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.840 her hard. Yeah, I mean she her case is really sad. 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:02.600 It was I think two thousand and ten when she 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:10.080 was diagnosed after this migraine incident and in um she 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.320 couldn't work anymore. Uh, and she she has she has 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.560 a lot and more issues going on than just the 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:19.320 speech with these uh migraines that have come on. She's 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.760 um got a whole range of physical problems that she's 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.600 had to stop work. She's in a wheelchair. Even though 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.040 her limbs completely work, her brain basically can't tell her 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:34.359 limbs to do what they should do. So um from migraines. Yeah, 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.880 from I think these really extreme migraines. I think they 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.600 even likened it to like having a stroke. They were 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.520 so severe. Um. So she's had to sell her house, 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.120 and I think her husband is afflicted with something too. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.600 It's just a really really sad case. But um, you know, 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.119 you can there's all kinds of interviews with her, and 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.960 it's just so strange to hear that accent coming out 0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:00.800 of uh, this white lady. It is from what I gather, 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:03.639 she'd be like, yeah, well, imagine how strange it feels 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.399 coming out of you. Oh yeah, you know. And you know, 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.560 I saw videos where they would sit down and play her. 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.200 Uh and before I looked up further that she was 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.800 having even more troubled times, it seemed like she was 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.840 getting a little better throughout the interview through therapy because 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.159 they were playing her. One of the things they do 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.920 is they play old recordings of herself and she would 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:26.719 sit down and listen to them and try and mimic it, 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.080 and um, which kind of brought up one of my 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.960 questions is can you even mimic an accent? Like you 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.760 know people can fake an accent, Like can you even 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.560 do that? Uh? And I didn't get an answer on that, 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:43.000