WEBVTT - Robert Smigel

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<v Speaker 1>The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now.

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<v Speaker 1>available at the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour

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<v Speaker 1>or at your local outlet in your region. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy.

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<v Speaker 1>I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness.

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<v Speaker 1>Every now and again you get to talk to a

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<v Speaker 1>genuine icon and a genuine genius, an absolute game changer

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<v Speaker 1>of a human being and artist.

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<v Speaker 2>Today is one of those days. Robert Smigel is here.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was like the mission post read they take

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<v Speaker 1>the mask.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a face off with Nicholas Cage, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved that movie, The Nicholas Cage movie. That second

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<v Speaker 1>in my Nicholas Cage movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Ghost Writer, I haven't seen that. What the fuck? I know?

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<v Speaker 2>I know and I hear. The one about the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's in everyone's dreams is amazing. Just came out like

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<v Speaker 2>a year. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen witch Finder, the one he did with

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<v Speaker 1>Royland Farman?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't seen that either. A Vampire's Kiss? Have

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<v Speaker 2>you seen that? At least so funny from the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Peak Nicholas Cage time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's just screaming the entire movie, but i'd see.

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<v Speaker 1>My feeling is he's never made a bad movie. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen them all.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't either, But it's a theory and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need to be proved. But I feel like ghost Writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Ghostwriter actually started me on the past to Jeff Peterson,

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<v Speaker 1>which was my counterweight to Triumph.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and yeah, he's more Andy, He's just Andy and

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<v Speaker 2>he was No. I do want to talk about your

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<v Speaker 2>show because I really loved and I'll tell you part

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<v Speaker 2>of why it was because so I was the original

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they call him, producer on The Conan Show, and I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm very proud of everything we did with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of crazy. Yeah, the Letterman really changed it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we modified it and you continued to but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but I'm very proud of it. It's best

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<v Speaker 2>job I ever had. Love Cone and he's amazing, but

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<v Speaker 2>legend he had never been on television before, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it was never quite as crazy as I envisioned it

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<v Speaker 2>when we started. I wanted it to feel completely unpredictable

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<v Speaker 2>all the way through the hour, and like the if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever watched the first Conan Show, you'll see hints

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<v Speaker 2>of that where we you know, Conan would say stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like John Goodman's coming up, but first we'll be right

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<v Speaker 2>back after this special effects technician, and then we would

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<v Speaker 2>cut to like this bearded you know, redheaded bearded guy

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<v Speaker 2>in glasses and just dancing like this to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what the song was, but just dancing

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<v Speaker 2>for like fifteen seconds, and then Conan would just say

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<v Speaker 2>we're back, and we would do that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But Conan had never been on television, and Conan was

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<v Speaker 2>like a young ambitious writer performer and this was his

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<v Speaker 2>dream and he didn't. He gave a lot of shits,

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<v Speaker 2>many many shits, right, and when you're that young, combining

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<v Speaker 2>that with inexperience made it very rocky for him. And

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<v Speaker 2>we pared down the show that kind of craziness. Like

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<v Speaker 2>we even had people interrupt interviews sometimes, Like we had

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<v Speaker 2>a character called Doug the neighbor who would like there'd

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<v Speaker 2>be a hedge in the back of the studio and

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<v Speaker 2>he'd just like, hey, Conzy, and who are you talking to?

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like gore Vidal, who who Like he was

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<v Speaker 2>just like a bad sitcom neighbor And it was funny conceptually,

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<v Speaker 2>but Conan did not have the confidence to own it.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, given a shit is going to get in

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<v Speaker 1>your way?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, But he was a young guy. He's like

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years old. This is a big shot you. When

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<v Speaker 2>I watched you, I felt like I was watching someone

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<v Speaker 2>unlike any other host in that it felt like. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I read about you and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this makes sense. He's just gone through so much and

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<v Speaker 2>then this thing fall in his lap and he's like whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it felt to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what it was. But the thing was I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I feel a little weird about it, even

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<v Speaker 1>to this day because when I ended up in late

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<v Speaker 1>night and I to me getting into late night, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've said this before, was kind of like getting a

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<v Speaker 1>job as a realtor. Like, no one really wants a

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<v Speaker 1>job as a realtor. You don't start out in life

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I'm going to be a realtor. No, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>shit goes wrong. Yeah, maybe your father's Walter, but my

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<v Speaker 1>father was his father before. Yeah, but none of that

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<v Speaker 1>was in my life. My father wasn't even American. So

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<v Speaker 1>the the idea of doing a show like this, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, fuck, sure, fine, whatever, and that really wants

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<v Speaker 1>to And my early show is I tried to hold

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<v Speaker 1>it together and be a late like I would walk

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<v Speaker 1>out like you see. The first couple of weeks, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fiddling with my time saying you guys watched the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs and I'm reading it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I couldn't do it right until you're just like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little bit by little bit, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know what it's like you every night, every night,

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<v Speaker 1>every time.

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<v Speaker 2>I watch a new late night show, I see ambitious

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<v Speaker 2>things and I'm like, Okay, they're going to lose that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in about six weeks they dropped. Like Jimmy Kimmel had

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<v Speaker 2>a co host every week every year. Yeah, like Rasi

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<v Speaker 2>O'Donnell used to read letters from I don't know, there

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<v Speaker 2>were everybody had gimmicks. We had. Conan didn't do a

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<v Speaker 2>monologue at the beginning, He didn't do a topical model

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<v Speaker 2>are hard I know, well, they're always the worst part

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<v Speaker 2>of the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was like, you're not doing a topical monologue.

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<v Speaker 2>You're too funny. You're just gonna talk about shit. And

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<v Speaker 2>then by the second week, I realized he's got nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about anymore because his whole life, he's pouring

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<v Speaker 2>everything into this show. So be like, hey, folks, oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>last night I rolled in at eleven thirty at night

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<v Speaker 2>and I cried myself to sleep in bed.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, but it's but it's a funny thing because

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<v Speaker 1>because of the relentless nature of it. Once, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>once you get past the idea of trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>good at it, because I wanted to be good at it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, I just want to I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to stay on the air now.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just want to stay on the air.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after about a couple of months, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even care if I stay on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck these people. Nobody knows what they're talking about. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking liar, that the network are crazy, the publicists

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<v Speaker 1>are manipulative and evil, the stars are weird and shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I thought, well, I don't. About six months

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<v Speaker 1>into doing Late Night, I don't think I've even told

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<v Speaker 1>anybody this, but six months in I had my past.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't an American citizen at the time. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to have my passport in my pocket. On stage, I

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<v Speaker 1>had my passport in my pocket. Is like, shit goes

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<v Speaker 1>fucking tits up.

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<v Speaker 2>I am out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to the airport and get the fuck. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere. I'll go anywhere on the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. But I do were enjoying the show itself,

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<v Speaker 2>was loving the show, but I knew I did have

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<v Speaker 2>this chip on your shoulder from all these non believing people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And I also I believed that anything that I

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<v Speaker 1>loved as much I wasn't going to get to keep,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you know, and because it belonged to someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually I found the antidote to it was this was

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<v Speaker 1>going out and performing stand up again, which I had

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<v Speaker 1>done when I was younger performer, but going out and

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<v Speaker 1>going back to doing stand up in theaters or in

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<v Speaker 1>comedy clubs, because then I felt a sense of autonomy,

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<v Speaker 1>because I knew that CBS or show business would cut

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<v Speaker 1>my throat and dump me in the East.

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<v Speaker 2>River whenever they felt like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But if I had something else that belonged only

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<v Speaker 1>to me, like then I'd be all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that that was like you, you kind of built

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<v Speaker 2>on your audience from the show to you stand up

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<v Speaker 2>in America, and then you were like, well, fuck them.

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<v Speaker 2>If I get canceled, I still I'm gonna have. I've

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<v Speaker 2>built a career now right in the States and I

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<v Speaker 2>still do that. And He'll be in Albany. Yeah probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Well actually, but the I heard you, But I look.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to look at Conan in particular, because I

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<v Speaker 1>loved Cornan, and I loved doing corner shows and and

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<v Speaker 1>and to the the nearest thing to what I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do was was early Dave or Conan. That's that was,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I wanted to do. That's whatever vibe that

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<v Speaker 1>was I wanted, and what you were doing with Triumph

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<v Speaker 1>or with TV Funhouse, the vibe of all of that

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<v Speaker 1>mad ship, that that ramshackle fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted a piece of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I looked to all of you guys, your

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Newisha there, you know you, and I was, I

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<v Speaker 1>felt so jealous and outside because even in late night,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, guys had gone to you know, Emerson or

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<v Speaker 1>Cornell or you know or or or in.

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<v Speaker 2>My or Harvard or yet I was. I considered myself

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<v Speaker 2>a diversity hire by going to Cornell, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so jealous of that. No, I didn't I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't wish any harm or I just I wished to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of it, but did totally get it to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of it, And I felt.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And I'm sure you felt like I mean, to

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<v Speaker 2>be perfectly honest, I don't think a lot of those

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<v Speaker 2>people got you. No, I don't know. And I would

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<v Speaker 2>watch the show and I would be like, everybody's just

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking snob about this guy. Yeah, because he's from

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<v Speaker 2>Scotland and he doesn't have the exact same dry Yeah, Fridge,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have it. No, I know but you had

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<v Speaker 2>your own thing, and you were naturally funny. Your interviews

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<v Speaker 2>were amazing. But what hit me the most was you

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<v Speaker 2>had a fucking skeleton robot or a sidekick. You had

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<v Speaker 2>a horse, a shitty horse costume that you would come

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<v Speaker 2>out and you wouldn't make any big deal out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you treated it like it was perfectly normal,

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<v Speaker 2>which was that was my dream to be that insane.

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<v Speaker 2>We never did out on the show because it was

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<v Speaker 2>just too it was just not the right time in

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<v Speaker 2>Conan's career. Now, Conan, it's so funny, like he's very well.

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<v Speaker 2>The podcast is like an amazing vehicle for you. And

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, that was always like the white whale, like

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<v Speaker 2>because we knew he's he's been that way since he

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<v Speaker 2>was three to five. We've always wanted to get that guy,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he was really funny and great on his show.

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<v Speaker 2>Always knew there was that guy. And then when he

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<v Speaker 2>did the Hot Ones thing with you know that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was out of his mind. I just talked

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<v Speaker 2>to him about it the other day because now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just talking about Conan. Sorry, but that's so he he wants.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we were just starting the show, he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be on Letterman, and he had this fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>in his head. He said, what if I what if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on Letterman and it's my first time on and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling an anecdote and then my face freezes

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<v Speaker 2>in a weird position, you know. So he's just like,

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<v Speaker 2>so anyway, I'm making a right and uh just then

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<v Speaker 2>the light and then I just don't change. I just

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<v Speaker 2>commit to that face and Letterman doesn't know what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just do this like I'm stuck and I

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<v Speaker 2>never give in. It would have been the funniest thing

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<v Speaker 2>I ever seen stones to do. He was like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way I can do this. I can get away

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<v Speaker 2>with it. But then when he did the Hot Ones,

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<v Speaker 2>that was basically the equivalent of that level of craziness.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was so funny to know that, Like people

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<v Speaker 2>see it and they're like, wow, Conan's really what He's

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<v Speaker 2>really changed. He's so out there now and Conan and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that he's just always it's always been that guy,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's just nobody could handle it back then. You

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was lucky because of David Lariman though, because what

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<v Speaker 1>happened was during the late night Wars of l and

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<v Speaker 1>Laraman after Johning was yes, I've talked about this a

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<v Speaker 1>million times, I guess podcast. But but basically CBS and

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<v Speaker 1>the desire again larim and gave him, yeah, two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>gave him the time slowly, didn't just he owned the type.

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<v Speaker 2>I so Carson did with right.

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<v Speaker 1>So because of that, CBS couldn't really do anything to me,

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<v Speaker 1>because Dave owned the Times law, David sanctioned me being there,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dave was in New York and I was in

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<v Speaker 1>La So Dave didn't give a ship. David Roburnette were

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<v Speaker 1>making their show, they didn't give a ship. But me,

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<v Speaker 1>They're busy, they're doing their own They're making the big

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<v Speaker 1>show in the theater and I'm making the shitty, little

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<v Speaker 1>fucking show in a wardrobe in Los Angeles and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't care there. I mean, they're nice enough, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't give a ship and CBS can't touch it. So

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<v Speaker 1>the anomally of what happened, that's why I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I was under the same kind of pressure that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys would have been.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, nobody was coming to me. And also like

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<v Speaker 2>Conan replaced David Letterman, right, Yeah, that was like the

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<v Speaker 2>big story and then David Letterman moves to Lenos to

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<v Speaker 2>uh to CBS was such a huge thing. And then

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to replace Letterman? Whereas you replaced Craig Killboard

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<v Speaker 2>and he was but man. Yeah, but they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the impact of a Letterman show.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so I think, well, I was lucky in as

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<v Speaker 1>well as I didn't have the specter of Johnny Carson exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had grown up.

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<v Speaker 1>With Johnny I had I didn't know the language. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't I didn't speak.

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<v Speaker 2>It, I know. And by now, yeah, there was less

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on this time slot with Snyder and then kill

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<v Speaker 2>Born and it's like, so it hadn't been like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got a you know, we got to match Snyder's

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<v Speaker 2>ratings or whatever. I'm sorry. I loved he was lovely. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but so but he was doing a different thing. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you so when you were part of

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<v Speaker 2>like I remember this so well, they had like different

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<v Speaker 2>hosts every week for months.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I had to. It was basically American idol

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<v Speaker 1>at And so the.

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<v Speaker 2>Very first time you did it, when you were really auditioning, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your attitude? Were you scared or did you

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<v Speaker 2>were you not give a ship? This is like the

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<v Speaker 2>first gift one does.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it too nice because the reason they gave

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<v Speaker 1>me is because I've been on Conan. I've been on

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<v Speaker 1>Conan as a guest from the Drew Carey show, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or a movie or something that Peter Losally had seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter la Sally, who was like the host whisper right,

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<v Speaker 1>he had seen me on Cone and then he said

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<v Speaker 1>we should try that guy. And they're like the eighth

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<v Speaker 1>banana from Drew Carrey show.

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<v Speaker 2>We try this guy. And so he they gave me.

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<v Speaker 1>They just put me in the mix with everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first two times I didn't give a ship

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<v Speaker 1>because I was I was making an independent movie in Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>in Winnipeg. Nothing against Winnipeg or in Canada, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I was just there doing my thing and

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<v Speaker 1>they said coming, Craig Calbourne's giving up.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to come in?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like I fell in for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>and I said right now, and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't see it was like, this is my show, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what I've been dreaming. I was like, it's come

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<v Speaker 2>to this, that's what And then what happened is I

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<v Speaker 2>did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking They got me right away the first one free,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did two nights and I spoke to La

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<v Speaker 1>Sally and I'm like, I fucking love this, Peter, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta have this, and he said, well, it's not up

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<v Speaker 1>to me. There's also David Lherman and Lis moon Venza

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<v Speaker 1>and we got to and I was like, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do this. What do I need to do?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, let me work on it, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he gave me a week, d L. Hugley a week,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Leean Black a week, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I there was one other guy who did.

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<v Speaker 1>It as well, but we gave us all a week

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<v Speaker 1>to host it for a week and then they made

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<v Speaker 1>the decision after h Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But you did you feel you probably tightened up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit that week compared to the first two. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wasn't as good that week, but minus to

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<v Speaker 1>scrape because.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember Conan his very first audition, Yeah, was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck? He was in Burbank. There was no audience,

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<v Speaker 2>or there was like a tiny audience of just inside

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<v Speaker 2>network people, right, and he interviewed Mimi Rodgers and Jason Alexander.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like very informal, and he killed it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he killed it. And then like then we started doing

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<v Speaker 2>test shows and I was like, Okay, you seem a

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<v Speaker 2>little nervous compared to the do you think it is?

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, I had nothing to lose then.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't you think that the combat Like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>auditioned an actors for a movie or something that the

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<v Speaker 1>first time they came in they kill it. Then you say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to bring you back to let their network

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<v Speaker 1>see you or and then they get they want to

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<v Speaker 1>and they tense.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, like that scene in Groundhog Day when Bill Murray

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<v Speaker 2>tries to recreate the date with Andy McDowell. Right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>such a heartbreaking scene. Yeah, I love that movie. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an amazing But I have one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>movies I saw when I came out of rehab.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really yeah, it was run by that time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I went to that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I went, this feels like, this feels like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I went through this, that's a good movie to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the first one I saw was Robin Hood Prince

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<v Speaker 1>of Themes with Kevin Costner, and I cried all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through it. And I'm like, I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a normal human reaction to try to that. So I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that I was probably in a phone with the state.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to tell Day's amazing because he's like

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<v Speaker 2>working on himself. The whole movie ends up being about that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what it is. How do you better? Be better?

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<v Speaker 2>Be better?

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<v Speaker 1>Or until you learn something, you're gonna do the same

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<v Speaker 1>fucking thing every time. You're going to fuck up every

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<v Speaker 1>time as you learn. Yeah, So let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the lead up to you being

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<v Speaker 1>in comedy, because I think of you as being Let

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<v Speaker 1>me spooll back a little bit on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what it is about. I don't know. Four or

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<v Speaker 2>five years in the Late Night.

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed Stephen King and Stephen King is I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of Stephen King and he's written some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most horrific pieces of literature I've ever encountered in dark

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<v Speaker 1>fucking shit, and he he came on the show. I

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<v Speaker 1>was excited to talk to him, and he's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most upbeat, pleasant, nice, well adjusted.

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<v Speaker 2>People I've ever talked, right, And I thought, what the hell,

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<v Speaker 2>And it.

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<v Speaker 1>Began a little thing in my head because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who I thought were going to be nice,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly people who wrote, performed, or were part of romantic comedies,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking assholes. And I was like, oh my god, what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell is this? And what it began to foster

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<v Speaker 1>in my mind that I'm kind of a little further

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<v Speaker 1>down in line with it now is that I think

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<v Speaker 1>people who do comedy are the impulse to get into

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't necessarily stay that way, but the impulse to

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<v Speaker 1>get into comedy and to make people laugh, particularly with

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<v Speaker 1>stand ups, but really with anyone, is a reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>trauma or discomfort.

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<v Speaker 2>Discomfort sure, at least discomfort on someone.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think you're discomfort? Because if you write

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like Triumph or TV Funhouse, you know, the ambiguously

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<v Speaker 1>gay you, this is some dark shit getting work through.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you think that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it might have been. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's weird because, like I laugh about my childhood, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a pretty soft, happy child. I had, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish parents that treated me like a god. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>could draw Charlie Brown and Fred Flintstone when I was five,

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<v Speaker 2>and they just like shoved it in every friend's face.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a genius. You know. It's like they were calling

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<v Speaker 2>me a genius when I was five years old, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you sort of feel like I didn't I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>lack for approofal and like I was joking to people

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<v Speaker 2>that like some of my most traumatic moments when I

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<v Speaker 2>was a kid, or just moments where I was trying

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<v Speaker 2>not to laugh at a in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 2>wedding or a bar Mitz or something that's very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like the kind of thing. But I think I

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<v Speaker 2>had just I think I was just born with like

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<v Speaker 2>a slight sense of darkness, like I actually, I think

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<v Speaker 2>some people just come out that way. You know. I've

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<v Speaker 2>always been attracted to Like my dad gave me a

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<v Speaker 2>Peanuts book when I was six years old, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just became obsessed with Peanuts because it was the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing I'd ever read for kids that didn't act like

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<v Speaker 2>everything turns out okay, right, you know, everything before then,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I loved bugs bunny cartoons, but there's always

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<v Speaker 2>a winner and a loser and keynuts. Just everything was

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<v Speaker 2>just like kind of everyone lived in this middle ground

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, yeah, things are okay, and I understand that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I definitely but even then I didn't really identify

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<v Speaker 2>with like Charlie Brown and all his anxieties, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just but I liked hearing about them. So something there

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<v Speaker 2>definitely connected with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about around other kids, if your parents are

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<v Speaker 1>nice and stuff, what was like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was popular because I was funny, like, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really have I mean, I was definitely I definitely had

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety when I got older with like girls and stuff. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I was definitely had that. And I think I was

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<v Speaker 2>essentially a shy person who who got it out in

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<v Speaker 2>you know, different ways, like I would cartoons or I

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<v Speaker 2>would imitate people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, laughter from other people is a massive surge of approval,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that.

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<v Speaker 2>Approval? And it's also you know, you fool people into

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<v Speaker 2>liking you. Yeah, because I wasn't great at like talking

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<v Speaker 2>to people. I've always been kind of a shy person

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<v Speaker 2>on that level, a little bit inhibited. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where that comes from, but I've always I've always

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<v Speaker 2>had a little of that growing up. So so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this was my outlet as a kid. It's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>how I skated by by being funny. I drew pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of my friends. I you know, I ended up during

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<v Speaker 2>cartoons of them imitating them, imitating teachers writing songs about

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<v Speaker 2>my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>But that that's kind of I think that's that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of normal.

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<v Speaker 2>For you, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that the idea of I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>the genius definition of you is inaccurate, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't throw that word around because people do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, he's the genius.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he's the most genius soccer player. He's the

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<v Speaker 1>most genius swimmer. You go, what really, I mean? I

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.159
<v Speaker 1>can swim, you know, he plays with the ball, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got to be another word for someone who's really.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, good at one thing, yeah, you know, or I

0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>think it's really good, but genius, but genius.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite a genius. But that's sounds like it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, but genius I think is quite an interesting

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.120
<v Speaker 1>description of you because it because I think it's pretty accurate,

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 1>especially if you're doing it, especially if you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It right away. Do you know what I mean? If

0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't a genius, I could just draw I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like the ramshackle ship that and I'm using

0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the word ramshackle more than one because I really feel

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 1>it because I really connected with it, like years before

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I was on Late Night, years before any of that stuff.

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I would see, like I think it was like late nineties.

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Triumph started on Coner because I used to watch Coding

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 1>every now, yeah, and and Triump started on CODA. I'm like,

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 1>whatever the fuck that is, that's it, that's what it is.

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.640
<v Speaker 1>And Codon all the way through like when he would

0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.760
<v Speaker 1>have it used to have ted what's his name?

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:25.400
<v Speaker 2>The guy started CNN turner, Oh yeah, that was Will

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Forte would come on and then he would bump the.

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>That was Buffalo and oh yeah yeah, years down that line.

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Down and that's when he was on TVs right, yeah,

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.879
<v Speaker 2>even then, it's still what the hell is going on now?

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:44.159
<v Speaker 1>But all of that stuff that that, and there was

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.400
<v Speaker 1>another thing I liked. I know this wasn't your thing,

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>but it felt like the vibe of the same thing

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 1>was do you remember Space Ghost Coast to Coast?

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:53.399
<v Speaker 2>Sure? I loved that.

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I loved I did an episode of that

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was never air.

0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Triumph did one too. Yeah, that's right, I saw it. Yeah.

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 2>I loved Space Ghost, but even more I loved Sea Lab.

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember Sea Lab on Adult Swim. It's an

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:10.119
<v Speaker 2>old Hanni Barbara show and they just used all this

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>shitty animation that existed and they just redubbed it and removed.

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.120
<v Speaker 2>But they didn't just redub it. They also manipulated the animation,

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 2>made new stories, do you joke? Absolutely brilliant stuff. I'm

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 2>actually working on a reboot of a fun house kind

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 2>of show that's going to be more less topical, but

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>recurring characters that I'm developing for Peacock. Yeah, I am

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>doing something with my friend Dino, who a brilliant writer

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 2>that started with at Conan. I always get anybody who

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 2>ever uses a genius on me. I always feel like

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.680
<v Speaker 2>you don't know the people I work with. Like That's

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>how as a comedy writer, I feel like I've gotten

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of attention because my name is on stuff

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.879
<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Live cartoons, and then people know me is

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Triumph or whatever. I'm very proud of my work, but

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I also know so many guys that I've worked with.

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Sketch writing is a weird and talk show writing. It's

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 2>not like being a playwriter a screenwriter. You don't get

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 2>your name. Your name's on a list and you know

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 2>you might write the most you might have written the

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 2>most brilliant thing that night, and it's just you know,

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>And so I feel like I always feel uncomfortable because

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I just know so many people that I consider brilliant

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're just not famous because their names aren't.

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I think brilliance is essential. Like one of the mistakes

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I think I made early on, and I see people

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 1>making this mistake is that they behave either badly or

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>arrogantly young performers because they think they're so talented. And

0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>they're right, they are so talented. But that's like when

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 1>you get in a shoe business, talent is kind of

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>like your driver's license. You're going to need that. You're

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>going to need to be super fucking talented. Sure what

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>else you got, because super talented is not fucking rare,

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and shoe business is plenty of true.

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 2>It's true. I mean I run into people. It's on.

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>You see kids doing ship on TikTok, and I'm like,

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, that's great.

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, it bums me out more than having to

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>audition people for a movie or something, or when I

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.719
<v Speaker 2>auditioned people for the Dana Carvey Show, because you're just

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed by how many people are good enough to do it,

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and then you have to pick like six. I remember

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>literally being in tears after the callbacks and my wife's like,

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>what's wrong with you? And I'm like, because I can't.

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 2>It's just some of this is like their big shot

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not going to be able to and that's

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and then that's Originally the show got canceled in eight episodes,

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>so I was deluded.

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why that was canceled. The Dana Carvey

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 1>show that you you you cast their own people except

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>except for Steve Carrell and Stephen Cole exactly. That's what

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, that show shouldn't ago canceled.

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh, it was in the wrong time slot. It was

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>we Dana and I were determined to bring late night

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>comedy to prime time. I remember it was a different era,

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 2>and I remember even when we were doing SNL in

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 2>the later part of my run there, I remember thinking

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 2>this show should be on at ten on Thursday night.

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 2>It shouldn't be eleven thirty because primetime was a bigger

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 2>deal back then. It was, and I felt like our

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 2>audiences aged with the show, like you know, in nineteen

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 2>seventy five, it was new and there was a young

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 2>audience for it, but now everybody's grown up. It should

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 2>be a primetime show. And Lauren. I brought it up

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>to Lauren. He was no fucking way, and he was smart.

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>He knew he had a good thing going and he

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do it. Well. Now it's like it's more

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>than ever.

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>It's a weird little it's a weird little kind of

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>corner of show business really because it seems like it's

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 1>college for young performers.

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>It is like college for young performers in high school,

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it. It's definitely although more

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 2>and more people stay and stay and stay because jobs

0:28:58.480 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>are just hard to come by.

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Like she was kind of on fire right now anyway,

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. It's kind of going through a change.

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:07.719
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, there was the streaming boom and

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>now everything now all you hear is like.

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think what happened with the streaming boom is

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>all the assholes awards of the networks all got jobs

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and streaming and they start fucking that up now.

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Because it's You're right, I don't want to name names

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>or anything and be but but but yes, I can't know,

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 2>you can know you well, I know, but I don't

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>know it's fair. I want to work. But what I

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 2>did notice that some of these streaming places started off

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>very adventurous with their own people, and then it's like

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>we're bringing in this guy who used to work at

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Sony and this person and this and that, and like,

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, I I assume it's unavoidable at a certain

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 2>point because the business is so insular anyway. But I remember,

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 2>like the first when they were first doing it, I

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, no, no, you have you're doing it

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the right way. You're following your gut, don't follow rules.

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, the thing is about it, though, I kind of

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>understand it from their perspective because they there was a

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine.

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 2>You you know, John Feldheimer. He started and run John Feltheimer,

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he did.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>He's the creator of Lionsgate.

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like a headline of the National Inquirer. No, John Feltheimer,

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>John Feldheimer. Sorry, I'll look see. Remember when I said.

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Genius, I'm gonna I'm going to dial it back a

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>little bit, you know. Somebody said to me there this

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>is a kind of a sight. They were talking about

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>how great David Kelly was, like his work genius, genius,

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>except this. This person was saying me, David Kelly, He's

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>never made anything bad.

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I went, sure, he has.

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I've never seen anything that has his that

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't worked to go. That's because you don't get

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>to fucking see it.

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like he makes a violot junked. You know. I

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>guess some of my favorite things I've ever written nobody

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 2>has seen.

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>The best thing I've ever done on TV is never

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>been seen. Really, Yeah, I did a pilot for after

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I finished The Late and I had a pilot with

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>h David Frankel directed it mm HM called The King

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>of seven B.

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>It's for ABC. It was a guy.

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I played, this guy who was an agrophobe. We can

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>live in New York City, would never go out, and

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>so everything just happened in his aparliament.

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>People come to the part and it was great as

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>a great script and I loved it, amazed it even online.

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Don't think so. I don't know where that is. You

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 2>don't even have a copy. No, oh man, that's why

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I probably think it's so great. No, I bet it's great.

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty good, honestly, Like I really feel that way.

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Like some of my favorite things I've ever written are

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>things that were just rejected, and one of them, Conan

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 2>was nice enough to let us. So we wrote a

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 2>screenplay for Hans and Franz, the SNL characters Bodybuilders. Yeah,

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Dana Carvey and I and Kevin Neil and and Conan

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 2>also worked on it right, and we wrote it in

0:31:56.440 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one and it was an insane, absolutely bonded script.

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>We all thought it was like the funniest thing we'd

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>ever written, and the studio was just like, this is shit.

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>And Arnold, originally he was he was the engine that

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>drove us to do it because he had been on

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 2>USNL a couple of times. It was like, yeah, this

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>is funny. It was a little movie about you guys,

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 2>want to make it Hollywood cousin, and so we wrote

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>this thing and it was absolutely insane. And then Arnold

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>ultimately like did the Last Action Hero and that didn't work.

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>So he didn't want to ever wink at the audience

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>and be himself and that's it. It was just done.

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>And then like a year ago, Conan was like, let's

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>read it. Let's just read it on the show. And

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>so Dana, Kevin and I and Conan. Conan narrated, I

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 2>played Arnold and we got such an amazing response, and

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>it was so gratifying because it's like these things, I'm

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 2>sure that this this is like just this nagging thing

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 2>in your brain, like, oh that fucking thing, you know,

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 2>And so it was such a great feeling to see

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the response online, like people loved it.

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>If you ever made a thing that you thought was

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>great and everybody else thought it sucked.

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean at SNL, that would happen, like,

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'd write a Tuesday Night and.

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I feel that's coached in politics.

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought, you know, oh no, I would like then

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 2>it would bomb. Some things are couched in politics, but

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>sometimes they would bomb. And I was like, okay, maybe

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I maybe I was wrong. Yeah, maybe I. But it's

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 2>very hard to come to grips with something that you

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>once thought was hysterical and just something's in your brain forever.

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, no, there's something I did something. There's

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>just a tiny little left turn and it would have

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 2>worked something. Yeah, it's really hard to let go. Yeah,

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>for me, it is. It is.

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I've made a couple of things I thought that that's great,

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a massive hit.

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it wasn't. It wasn't a massive Well a lot

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>of times that you don't get to, Oh yeah, I

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 2>had a show. Just watched an episode like or not

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 2>even I just watched five minutes and I got so

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>angry because I was like, what's happened? Why? Why didn't

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>this work? I don't get it. Well, you get it,

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>but I don't.

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing I was going to tell you

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 1>about Pelheimer, whom sorry, so Philheimer, John Felheimer, who's a

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>nice guy and you'd like him. He was part of

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the team that sold MGM to Sony okay, right, And

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>he said, this is what happened. To go in for

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the big meeting. There's all the Japanese executives and all

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 1>the American team that are selling it over and they

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>say to him. They're going through a translator and they're

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 1>talking to this Japanese guy and he says, will you

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.839
<v Speaker 1>please tell I can't remember the guy's name, he said,

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>please tell him. The movie business is basically, we make

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>about fifty movies a year.

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 2>This is back then.

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 1>We make about fifty movies a year. You know, twenty

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 1>of them will do okay, you know ten of them

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>will suck and the rest of the week right right,

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>or or a different set numbers, And again it goes

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>through the translator and the guy says a bunch of Jeopanese.

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>The translator go back and says, yeah. What he says

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 1>is only make the good ones. We don't know, that's it.

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 2>We don't know what's gonna work. You don't know. But

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I do feel like when people follow their gut got

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 2>a better chance. I think so. I mean, I always

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:31.320
<v Speaker 2>look to Seinfeld that show as just a perfect example

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:36.439
<v Speaker 2>of people following their gut doing because it's only when

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>you do something that hasn't been done that that you

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>get the big hit. But the problem is your work.

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I think what you're doing is you're working against the

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 1>people who are afraid of that. If you're doing something

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't been done right, that's the that's the last

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:53.399
<v Speaker 1>thing they want to do.

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 2>No, I know. Well, the Dana Carvey Show is an

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.359
<v Speaker 2>example exactly right. They said to us, I remember this

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>so clearly. It's so funny because you were on Drew Carrey.

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:05.439
<v Speaker 2>So this is nineteen ninety five. ABC is a very

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 2>corny network at this point. I mean, not that these

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>shows are bad, but like you know, Grace, Underfire, Roseanne,

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>it was very like, yeah, family oriented sitcoms, and suddenly

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>we're bringing the Dana Carvey Show and we're like, I

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:24.919
<v Speaker 2>don't know. ABC is like the least hip network, even

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 2>CBS has more. NBC was the hip network. They had

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Seinshelder Want CTV and all those urban sitcoms, and so

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 2>they're like, no, no, no, this is exactly what we

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 2>want to be doing. And so I have now when

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.839
<v Speaker 2>I tell people, I always tell people, if someone says

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>that to you, run for the hills, yeah, because they

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 2>are not going to be ready for what you want.

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Wait let them, let them figure it out in a year,

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 2>because then the show gets canceled. And then the next

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:56.399
<v Speaker 2>year there's Ellen and the Drew Carey Show on Wednesday nights,

0:36:56.520 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, where were these shows when mean perfect

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the show?

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 1>We ended up doing all that variety stuff and musical numbers.

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Data Carvey Show. Yes, I was like, where was

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.760
<v Speaker 2>this when we were on? They weren't ready. There's personnel changes,

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the energy were right, they did want to change their network,

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and they did. They had more sophisticated quote unquote, I

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 2>don't want to disparage Roseanne because it's a great show obviously,

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>but you know, more shows that would be compatible with

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 2>the Dana Carvey Show. And you know, it was just

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 2>like literally a year late.

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>How do you handle failure? Are you good at it?

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I desperately try to move on to something else so

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 2>that I don't dwell on it. So the Dana Carvey Show,

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 2>I was thank god I had The Ambiguously Gay Duo

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.320
<v Speaker 2>was a cartoon within the Data Carvey Show, because I

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 2>wanted the Dana Carvey Show to look as different from

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>SNL as possible, and one of the things was the cartoons.

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 2>The only one we did was the Ambiguously Gay Duo,

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>but I loved it. It's one of my favorite ideas ever.

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 2>And then over that summer, I'm just in survival mode

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, Okay, what other cartoons? And then I

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.720
<v Speaker 2>have this idea for something called fun with Real Audio,

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>which I did on SNL a lot. We took the

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 2>audio of celebrity interviews and things like that or political

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 2>debates and made crazy animation to those voices. And then

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I got really excited and I just called Lauren Michaels,

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 2>who wanted me back at SNL anyway, I was like, well,

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I figured out a way that where I'd be excited

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>to go back, and it was the easiest phone call.

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>He was like, good, let's do it. And that saved

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>me that time. And then after the Jack and Triumph show,

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 2>I it was like twenty sixteen now and we had

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 2>that show didn't work. But the election was coming up

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 2>and people were a couple of people that it was

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 2>in a Wall Street Journal article and Laurence o'donald, the

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>NBC commentator. They both called Trump Trump the insult comic

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 2>dog because of his behavior, and it made me think, oh,

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I should cover the election. I should cover it. That's right, Triumph, Yeah,

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>so I covered it. So the whole gimmick was like

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>the bar has been lowered, and now Triumph is ready

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to be a political you know, correspondent because the dialogue

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 2>has gotten so base and embarrassing thanks to Trump. So

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Hulu was all in and I got to do like

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.760
<v Speaker 2>six right after the right after the Triumph Show failed,

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 2>the Adult Swim Show, I got to do these political

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.439
<v Speaker 2>specials on Hulu I did. I got to do six

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 2>of them, cover the whole election, got nominated for an

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Emmy and it was just like, so that's the thing.

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I just like, so I just run to the next Riday.

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 1>So you deal with failure by succeeding down the line desperately, Yeah,

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to. Yeah, Yeah, I understand it because I think

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>that the idea of it I come from a culture.

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I think this is another reason I think why I

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>became an American. Yeah, is it boils down to the

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>failure in America is like, okay, next failure. Where I

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>grew up in the environment that I.

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Grew up, and it was like, you should never have te.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Well you failed that any of us surprise, we fat

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 1>creak failed.

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh god.

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:24.399
<v Speaker 1>But in America, you swing, you mess, you go. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>you swing, you mess, you go again. It doesn't you fail.

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Of course you fail. Everybody fails, and if you have.

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 2>If you have adoring Jewish parents, it's even more so.

0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Well idiots, Those people are idiots.

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>They don't understand see the genius you're drawing.

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 2>My dad after a good SNL, after I had a

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 2>good sketch on SNL, he would always say to me,

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 2>always cracked me up. Did Lord Michaels, does he appreciate

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 2>how good that was? Did he tell you, does he does?

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:54.319
<v Speaker 2>He know?

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.760
<v Speaker 1>This is the opposite of what I know, because because

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I the first time I get nominated this an Amy,

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I called my mother in schools you're still alive, and

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I called my mother in Scotland. That was in California.

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, I've been nominated for an Amy.

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she been, oh, that's nice.

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Robert Carlile the Scottish Act has also been nominated.

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you knew, so you knew.

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>You looked at the Emmy nominations, you knew I'd be

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>nominated for. Didn't say, yeah, Robert Kyle is a nice guy,

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't need to be part of that conversation.

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>And it kind of like it's a it's a different

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 1>way of coming at it.

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because like the other side of it to

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 2>have parents that are so into it and just like

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:44.760
<v Speaker 2>he's nominated everybody, and it's like I almost it almost

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 2>makes me crazier in some way, because I like to

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 2>make you when you were a kid and they were

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 2>not angry, but like no, but when I was doing

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 2>SNL and things and my dad would say things like

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 2>that wouldn't make me angry. But it would subliminally sometimes

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 2>it would make me care too much much about Like

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I try to keep an even keel about this and

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:08.040
<v Speaker 2>not be that needy for but when my parents want

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 2>it as much.

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Or more than I do, you're going to let them down.

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 2>It's like a whole other level. Yeah, no, I can

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 2>see that.

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So what I think then is that here's what

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get. I feel that your trauma was

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 1>more manipulative than mine. Mine was just like stay up

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a Tubby's a fat wee boy, and he's going to

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>feel you will let us down if you fail, even

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 1>if later.

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that. I don't think I picked up

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 2>on that when I was a little kid. Yeah, by

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>the way, I know, I know, maybe right though, maybe

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 2>there was a little part of me that like, just like,

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I love how happy they are. I

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 2>just want to make them happy all the time. I

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:51.880
<v Speaker 2>mean I did when I but this was out of

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 2>appreciation of their support, like when I won my first Emmy.

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:56.919
<v Speaker 2>Because I hate awards, I really do.

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I really like getting them. I hate when other people

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 1>win them, but when I know it's fun.

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 2>To get him, but when you get them, Yeah, but

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I just but here's what I did, because I actually

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to feel that way when I won my

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>first Emmy, because I was like, no, the reward is

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the job and the opportunity and that I get to

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 2>do this work. This is random. Jason Alexander's never won one,

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 2>the most ridiculous thing he still I never won for

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>cot Stanza. That's crazy, the funniest character in the history

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 2>of television. That's crazy. That's all you need to know

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:32.280
<v Speaker 2>to keep you sane about award. It's like it's random.

0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 2>You try to take it seriously. But I remember this

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>first time we won the Emmy for SNL. I would

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 2>look I saw recently a photograph of all the writers,

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:44.719
<v Speaker 2>and I'm the only one not smiling. I'm trying to

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 2>be above it. And then I remember, and then I

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I took it on the plane, got off the plane,

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 2>went straight to my parents' apartment, gave it to them.

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Didn't want it, just wanted them to have it. That's interesting.

0:43:58.239 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to have it. I didn't want to

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:01.919
<v Speaker 2>care about it, and I knew how much they cared

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:02.359
<v Speaker 2>about it.

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, but I understand that don't want to care about it,

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 1>because if you care about something they can hurt you.

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 2>It's a trap. This is like one more thing. I

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 2>had so much anxiety, and I'd already put so much

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>anxiety on myself just wanting to be good, wanting to

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 2>get my sketches on all of that. I didn't need

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 2>to win an Emmy at that point. It's fun.

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is kind of like how you change

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:30.720
<v Speaker 1>when your kids are born. Suddenly suddenly there's a human

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>being in the world and you really care about them.

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:35.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know. I mean, of course you care about

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 2>other people you're in religiouships with when you're like, oh

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:40.720
<v Speaker 2>my God.

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 1>And then the level of fear that that jacked up

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in me I can't even describe.

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you know, and still to this day without a doubt,

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 2>all parents, you know, have that, And then I have

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 2>this extra level. I had that when my first son

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 2>was born. Then when he was diagnosed with autism and

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 2>he had pretty he's pretty affected, then that became a

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 2>whole other thing where it's like, Okay, my life is his.

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Everything I do is you know, through the prism of

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 2>making sure I can support him for the rest of

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 2>his life, right, you know, And you know, it's been challenging,

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:22.240
<v Speaker 2>but it's also provided clarity for you know, one creative,

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 2>fucked up person who's you know, constantly riddled with these

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, conflicts in your head.

0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, So it was kind of a gift in

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I understand it.

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 2>It's the weird kind of look.

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say that your son being autistic

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>is a negative.

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not a negative.

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>It's just that it's just a fact of life. But

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>when you get a piece of information that profound that

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you weren't planning on, it alters your perspective.

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I get it. Well. At the time, I was

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.319
<v Speaker 2>very scared for him because there was like twenty years ago,

0:45:56.400 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 2>and there weren't autism advocates. There weren't people were autistic

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.800
<v Speaker 2>who were advocates. There was one woman, Temple grand And

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 2>who's brilliant, but that was it. And all the all

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the charities, all the all everything was all about a

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>cure or cure, a cure, you know, and so you

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 2>get sucked into that like, Okay, we don't worry, we're

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>going to get a cure. This is horrible and we're

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:20.320
<v Speaker 2>going to get a cure. And then my wife and I,

0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, went through various ways of trying to help them,

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.799
<v Speaker 2>and we kind of realized through seeing other parents that

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 2>there's just not enough resources for kids who have autism,

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>who need who need help and need kind and effective therapy.

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:38.359
<v Speaker 2>So that's when we started this Night of Too Many

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Stars show, and we made it all about family services

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and schools and nothing about research because nobody else was

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:47.359
<v Speaker 2>doing it.

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, you go do that again, the Night of

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Too Many Stars.

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 2>We're going to do one, hopefully next spring with Netflix

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 2>on their festival. I'm hoping I did one. I did one.

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean the time when this is two thousand and three,

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I know everybody in show business. I

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.839
<v Speaker 2>have so many friends at least that I've worked with.

0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 2>They'll all come Sandler and Conan and everybody I know.

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I'd be an asshole not to do this. That's what

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I basically came to the conclusion of. So, so yeah,

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 2>we've done.

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.839
<v Speaker 1>Like Sandel's an interesting figure out. I'm glad you brought

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 1>him up.

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 2>He's the greatest I think. So right, He's an interesting.

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>One because there's someone who I don't think is ever.

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>He's extremely popular and he gets the money, but I

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>think I don't think he really gets the kudos for

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 1>what he's done, you know, the work he's done. Yeah,

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 1>because the Latin movie you did with him, the Zohan movie.

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.799
<v Speaker 1>That's a great movie. That is a great movie. It's

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 1>a great man.

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how people would feel watching it now, but.

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of necessary now more than some ways,

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>as I remember, you know, the relationship Zohan was the

0:47:56.520 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 1>he was the Israeli hairdresser and his girlfriend was the Palestinian.

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and Johan really yes, he was a he was

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>a massad agent who was like almost a superhero, but

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 2>his dream was to become a hairstylist. Hairstylist. Yes, And

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>then uh yeah, I mean what what holds up I'm

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 2>sure is the notion that ultimately these people learn that

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 2>they live together and work together in the same neighborhood

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 2>in Brooklyn, and that it's only all these just how

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 2>similar they are. That was sort of the ultimate point.

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I remember the feeling of the movie because

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the movie I thought, I'm watched I'm gonna watch one

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of Adam Sandler's laugh out load kind of like guilty

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 1>pleasure movie, right right, And it had that sure, but

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>and then going oh okay, which I think is a

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>real gift when you see a movie when you think

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be one thing, and it is that

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 1>thing that it also gives you gives you a little

0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>more stuff as well, like like it's got got a

0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>soul and a little.

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Bit you know. No, I was happy. Jokes are great,

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:08.280
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, the choice to make the bad guy someone

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a cliche. It was an American real

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>estate developer and who was going to raise their neighborhood.

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:17.840
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, the choice of just making

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the point that they are the same in this country,

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>they could be the same anywhere. We could just let go. Well,

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:27.600
<v Speaker 2>that's the enough.

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>It's part of the maybe because it's the emmigrant experience.

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 2>For me.

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I went back to Scotland five years ago and I

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>went back for five years and ultimately I'm like, no

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 1>from here any I need to get back to New York. Yeah,

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I need to go back to America. And I have

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 1>come back and I'm back in America right And it

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>was nothing to do. I love Scotland. This is a

0:49:55.400 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>great place, but I belong here for whatever fucking reason.

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I think what happens is when you become an emigrant,

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 1>when you get that when that thing gets in, it

0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't go for me, it won't go.

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I hear you. I mean, this is a great country

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>in many ways, kind of it. Kind of.

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Gorvidal. Recently, I've been reading I was going to say rereading,

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:27.759
<v Speaker 1>and I thought that's a lie, because I never read them.

0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I've been reading the Empire, the Novels of Empire series.

0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Gorvidal wrote seven books. I think it's seven books, five

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.160
<v Speaker 1>or seven books about the birth of America.

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's like in the eighties. I think he wrote these.

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I think he wrote them across the whole thing. I mean,

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.840
<v Speaker 1>they're interspersed, and he wrote them out of order. But

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:51.000
<v Speaker 1>he starts with the biography of Aaron Burr, who.

0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Was fucking crazy.

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but what I love about people have gone, it's

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:57.919
<v Speaker 1>never been this bad in America. You go, it's never

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:03.120
<v Speaker 1>what Aaron Burr killed a guy and then rather a

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:07.960
<v Speaker 1>raised an army to be the emperor of Mexico while

0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>he's vice President of the United States.

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:14.360
<v Speaker 2>If you did that, you know how crazy social media

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 2>would go. And you know, people have no idea how insane.

0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Plus the fact I don't know why, I really feel

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.280
<v Speaker 1>is a skill that we've lost is raising an army,

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.279
<v Speaker 1>like I wouldn't know where to begin raising an army,

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Burr, like people were raising an all through history.

0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 1>People are like, you raised an army.

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Right right? I then raised an army.

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't.

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't do that.

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I can't someone's attention in the store raised an army.

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.080
<v Speaker 2>He didn't have TikTok. Yeah, but he had something. He

0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:47.359
<v Speaker 2>had to do something, he had to raise an army's time.

0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 1>But here's what I like what these Gorvidal books says.

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:54.359
<v Speaker 1>They actually I saw Chuck Todd the other night talking

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.279
<v Speaker 1>about because someone was saying, do you you know because

0:51:57.280 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 1>he's a history buff, and he was saying, yeah, And

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:04.400
<v Speaker 1>actually that's where I get my solace when the politics

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:06.879
<v Speaker 1>is on fire. It has never been this bad, You go, yeah,

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of always. There are times when it

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been this bad, but you know, there was like

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 1>way worse. When McKinley was shot. That was Whover even

0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 1>talks about that. You know, it's like, oh, Teddy Rouswald,

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:20.800
<v Speaker 1>go yeah, Teddy Ruswald, you know why he became president

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:26.760
<v Speaker 1>because they shot the other the guy who annexed the Philippies. Hell,

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>nobody told me about this, and I think the perspective

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 1>of America. I I my patriotism for America as an

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:35.920
<v Speaker 1>immigrant was very jingoistic.

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:36.239
<v Speaker 2>At first.

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 1>It was naiven jingoistic, and I think that's okay. I

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.240
<v Speaker 1>think when you come in as a as an immigrant,

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of appropriate. And as you get to know

0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.359
<v Speaker 1>the place, you go, well, it maybe isn't that.

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 2>But Jesus Christ is interesting.

0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:52.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a very interesting place historically and just every other way.

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I love that.

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Thing PG O'Rourke said about the American Wherever the American

0:52:57.560 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>embassy is in the world, there's always two crowds out

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:03.680
<v Speaker 1>say that, two crowds outside, two crowds. Yeah, there's one

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 1>crowd of people protesting against evil America and another crowd

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 1>of people went for visas.

0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:13.720
<v Speaker 2>And you see them crossing over, like they're burning the flag,

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.320
<v Speaker 2>they're sighting the form. They're burning the flag, they're sighting

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.800
<v Speaker 2>the form. You know, it's that's perfect.

0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And it kind of feels like that a little bit

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes I think the hyperabole of it's never been

0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 1>this bad to go. It's kind of like, you know,

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 1>when it rains in la and people say it's never

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:33.839
<v Speaker 1>been this bad every fucking year. It's this bad every year.

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, you're right. Other than global warming, that's the

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 2>only chicken little that's pretty badscrib that's pretty bad. That's

0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 2>a pretty bad thing.

0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 1>But that was that thing George Carlin used to say,

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Earth will be fine.

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 2>We're fucked. I know. It is what it is now.

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 2>It's maddening. It's maddening how the ship that matters the

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:55.760
<v Speaker 2>most is just boring to people.

0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's kind of it's going to be. It's up

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:08.160
<v Speaker 1>to people like maybe me too, to try and.

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Get an earworm in there. That's a little different. My

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 2>friend Adam McKay is basically devoted all his time to

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:19.360
<v Speaker 2>making comedy and making having you know, mobilizing people just

0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:23.120
<v Speaker 2>for that cause alone, you know, And so I appreciate that.

0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of I kind of went the other way

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:27.799
<v Speaker 1>because like when Stephen Colbert took over the Late Night

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:30.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and he went deep politics. He was he went

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 1>running right at it, which, as I think, as it

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 1>turned out, was the right choice for the show and

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 1>for him.

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I think he was coming off of politically right exactly.

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Had I done it, I would have probably done it

0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the other way, and I think that would have been

0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:44.120
<v Speaker 1>a mistake.

0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:45.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that show that.

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Timeslow needed that, and I told him that when I

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 1>was on the show.

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, especially when Trump came into power,

0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:55.920
<v Speaker 2>because it just people became obsessed with him. And you know,

0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:00.600
<v Speaker 2>CNN and all these news networks, as much as they

0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:05.040
<v Speaker 2>complained about him, they they loved it. They loved the

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:09.240
<v Speaker 2>attention he draws. So they made him you know, every press,

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 2>every every rally, you know, it was was there, it

0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 2>is and uh because it was just like musty TV

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:16.879
<v Speaker 2>in their mind.

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of what happens is with every show you

0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:23.920
<v Speaker 1>get the season fucking six and people go, it's no

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 1>what it was. It could be, It's no what it was.

0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:30.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, I liked it before the added scrappy Do

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:35.240
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, vancrapy.

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 2>He might be scrappy New, That's what I'm saying. He

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:39.280
<v Speaker 2>might be scrappy New.

0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh you know what I mean. It's like in the

0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Simpsons when the remember they added that character on the

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 1>skateboard to try to feel the kids was. Yes, I

0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>can't remember what it was, but that's kind of I think.

0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 1>And I do this thing what I'm doing stand up now.

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's.

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Absolute fucking real. I don't talk about politics at all.

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I do feel like it's it's really hard for me

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 2>to uh watch late night shows consistently because of that,

0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 2>because I just want to escape from that. Well that's

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's.

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Going to be at least some option for for that,

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:14.560
<v Speaker 1>because I think that's the because I'm sick. No, even

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:16.360
<v Speaker 1>people I agree with him, like, yeah, I agree with you,

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 1>shut the fuck up, you know.

0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean fall into some degree like he touches

0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:22.759
<v Speaker 2>on it, but it's not in.

0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>A more traditional way.

0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:27.320
<v Speaker 2>In a more Tonight Show Johnny Carson kind of way

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:30.520
<v Speaker 2>where you don't feel like, Okay, I really need to

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 2>be invested right now and be fired up and angry

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.960
<v Speaker 2>and I can just kind of look at and I

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:38.920
<v Speaker 2>think that's there's a real And I'm not disparaging anyone

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.560
<v Speaker 2>else who does more politics, but it's nice to have

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:44.359
<v Speaker 2>somebody doing that well, I think.

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I think also the idea of it is I was

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:51.080
<v Speaker 1>fascinated that conversation I had with Jim gaffigin do you

0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:52.160
<v Speaker 1>know Jim.

0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little bit. He's a great guy, great guy.

0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he he was I was talking about because

0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't completely clean.

0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, famously Jim cusses and in real life, yeah,

0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 2>he just talked like everybody else, right, but his act

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 2>is clean. He does it.

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:11.839
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was asking him, and he said it

0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:14.600
<v Speaker 1>was and he used this phrase and I went, he said,

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a stylistic choice. I set myself a task and

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I went, okay. And so when I was like, this

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was probably run about twenty sixteen, maybe a little after that,

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 1>if I'm honest, I started to go, I feel everybody

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:36.280
<v Speaker 1>everybody says the name Trump, everybody says everybody's got a

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:38.520
<v Speaker 1>fucking thing, and that's fine. Of course they must be

0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 1>able to do that. But I'm going to make and

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I used it, I'm going to make a stylistic choice

0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:46.720
<v Speaker 1>not to talk about any event. And so I started

0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 1>to write stuff. It was only about family, it was

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:51.680
<v Speaker 1>only about in personal experience. It was only about, Oh.

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.920
<v Speaker 2>People appreciate it. You would think that people you know,

0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot of comics think, oh, I got a panda.

0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I gotta give them what they want. But no, there's

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.760
<v Speaker 2>there's real value in letting people escape.

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I think that, and I think also the idea of

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the only kind of was the pushbike I

0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 1>got from. It was not from people who were right leaning,

0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:14.960
<v Speaker 1>right I know, was the interesting.

0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:18.360
<v Speaker 2>You gotta be a part of it. Speak, there's too

0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 2>much at stake.

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like everybody.

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Can't anybody just be a comedian, do you know when

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, like a real comedian.

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever go to THEYS Correspondence?

0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Then I have I performed there? Oh did you did

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:32.200
<v Speaker 2>you do it with one? Okay, so nineteen ninety five,

0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 2>back when I was doing and I will say this,

0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:39.600
<v Speaker 2>what I liked about our political humor on Conan was

0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 2>how unique it was to our show and silly like

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Conan would do very light and monologue and then he

0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:50.600
<v Speaker 2>would occasionally interview a famous person and it was a

0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 2>photograph and that was ninety percent of the time. It

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:59.240
<v Speaker 2>was me and I got to do it at the

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:01.840
<v Speaker 2>White House course Spond's dinner. Bill Clinton was the president,

0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:05.800
<v Speaker 2>and that was our first real hit character was Bill Clinton,

0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:08.560
<v Speaker 2>probably him and Michael Jackson. I did that a lot

0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:12.880
<v Speaker 2>too back then, but when he was married to Lisa Marie.

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 2>But Bill Clinton knew about the bit and they invited

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Conan to do the dinner and Conan was like, yeah,

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:23.920
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna come and you're gonna do it, and I

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe it, but yeah, we go up there, I

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:31.040
<v Speaker 2>get to meet Bill Clinton and Hillary and Conan says,

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 2>it's the guy who doesn't and he just gives me

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:36.400
<v Speaker 2>that upside down smile that he had. I really enjoy it. Yeah,

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:39.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't say a word. And then so we're doing it.

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 2>So he first first, Conan does like ten minutes on

0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 2>his own, maybe fifteen even, and he kills, just jokes,

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 2>just what you're supposed to do, and he was fantastic,

0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:52.400
<v Speaker 2>one of the funniest ones I'd ever seen. And then

0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 2>he brings me on and I'm like, oh shit, maybe

0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and then but I'm killing at first, and nobody's laughing

0:59:59.280 --> 1:00:01.480
<v Speaker 2>harder than Clinton. And I don't know if it's manufactured

1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:03.880
<v Speaker 2>to show he's a good sport, but he literally sounds

1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:10.520
<v Speaker 2>like a donkey. He's just like oh, and Hillary's smiling

1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:12.760
<v Speaker 2>because you know, there was no way she was going

1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:16.120
<v Speaker 2>to laugh at this nonsense, but she's smiling and enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we get to a point where so this

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<v Speaker 2>is back when I was younger and I had a

1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:25.160
<v Speaker 2>chip on my shoulder. Creatively, I was like, we're not

1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:27.840
<v Speaker 2>just gonna go there and kiss their ass. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to do some some jokes that are a

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<v Speaker 2>little edgy, you know, so we write this joke. So

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<v Speaker 2>the premise was Clinton finds out that he's on c SPAN,

1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:39.200
<v Speaker 2>that the show's on se SPAN. He's like, Oh, that's

1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:41.160
<v Speaker 2>like a tree in the forest. I can say anything

1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I want. I inhaled everybody, you know, all that kind

1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:46.800
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. And it's killing. And so he's making more

1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:50.680
<v Speaker 2>confessions and then there was this joke and Conan and

1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I remember right before we went on, Colin was like

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<v Speaker 2>should we do this? Is this too much? And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, why don't you call an audible? Because I

1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:00.280
<v Speaker 2>was like, then this was the joke. It was like

1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Clinton saying like I got high with Will and Nelson

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<v Speaker 2>on the roof of the Kremlin. I don't even remember

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<v Speaker 2>what the context was, but it was one of his

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<v Speaker 2>confessions and it made sense comedically in nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, I think it'd be good to do,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an edgy joke, but maybe you call an audible.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, I don't want to call an audible.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to deal with that. This is like

1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:24.920
<v Speaker 2>he's at the White House Correspondence dinner. Let's just commit

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<v Speaker 2>to it, Conan says, so we do it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>later Dick Cavott, who's in the audience, comes up to

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<v Speaker 2>Conan and he says, when you made that joke about

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<v Speaker 2>Willie Nelson and the Kremlin, Hillary's face went from doctor

1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:48.560
<v Speaker 2>jekyled mister Hyde and literally we bombed the rest of

1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:51.160
<v Speaker 2>the way. I could not recover from that moment. That's interesting,

1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:55.160
<v Speaker 2>and it's because of Hillary's face, I guarantee it, because everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>well then it's like you're watching this guy being imitated

1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:05.200
<v Speaker 2>to his face, and everybody's gonna be transfixed on their reaction.

1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And Bill was he hawing, and that was great. And

1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:13.280
<v Speaker 2>then but Hillary, I was told, she just did that,

1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:16.919
<v Speaker 2>just looked down, just like when's this gonna be over

1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:20.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing, and it killed the room. And and

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<v Speaker 2>the saddest thing is that, like, I was almost done,

1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:25.160
<v Speaker 2>but then it was like, and then we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Carter come on, and my friend tom Agna, another writer,

1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:31.800
<v Speaker 2>came on with Jimmy as Jimmy Carter with a gigantic

1:02:31.880 --> 1:02:34.200
<v Speaker 2>smile because he had big teeth and all that. And

1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:36.080
<v Speaker 2>it always killed at Conan, and we thought, oh, this

1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:39.960
<v Speaker 2>will be a great topper. But they wanted us, they

1:02:40.000 --> 1:02:41.720
<v Speaker 2>wanted us out of there, and it's like we still

1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:45.880
<v Speaker 2>have fucking Jimmy Carter to bring on. Yeah. Yeah, and

1:02:46.280 --> 1:02:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I just knew it. And but I knew Conan wasn't

1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:51.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna call an audible, and we just like labored through

1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:55.200
<v Speaker 2>it and they politely applauded. But yes, that was. That

1:02:55.320 --> 1:02:58.160
<v Speaker 2>was so I I got to experience this and this

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<v Speaker 2>was funny and I did minutes. Yeah, so I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>The last of George Bush. Wow. So as I go

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<v Speaker 2>into this year, the year after Colbert are two years after.

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<v Speaker 1>Years after the year after Steven the rich little, I

1:03:16.480 --> 1:03:21.680
<v Speaker 1>think they overcorrected, you know what I mean. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>Steven went hard one way.

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<v Speaker 2>He went hard, and let me just tell you and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll he I helped him a little with that. He

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<v Speaker 2>read all the jokes to me. I gave him a couple,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was so excited. I was like, this is

1:03:32.760 --> 1:03:36.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna kill because no one's ever made these jokes at

1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:39.320
<v Speaker 2>their face while complimenting them. That was that was. He

1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:43.520
<v Speaker 2>was playing the bill O'Reilly sunk up Republican. So I thought, oh,

1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:46.240
<v Speaker 2>this is the smartest way to do this. But of

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<v Speaker 2>course George Bush gave him nothing, never smiled, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was just in a well from the moment he made

1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:57.520
<v Speaker 2>his first joke. But I was very proud of him anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>He went from going for it, Yes, he admitted, so

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<v Speaker 1>the year I do it. So it's it's two years

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<v Speaker 1>after Steven has done that. Yeah, it's is still in power, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And they they had rich little the year before, and

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<v Speaker 1>that no one seemed to be bothered.

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<v Speaker 2>With that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the before you know, whether everyone stands up

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<v Speaker 1>in the dais or sets up on the dais, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that little reception room beforehand, and I'm standing

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<v Speaker 1>there talking to the president of the United that had

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<v Speaker 1>just become a citizen. And I'm talking to the President

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States, and I had in my head

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I was going to do, and I had one

1:04:36.800 --> 1:04:38.880
<v Speaker 1>joke that I was going to do at the top,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had I'd talked to Ted m'carran and Jonathan Morano,

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<v Speaker 1>where the writers I had been working with their end,

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<v Speaker 1>and they I said, should we do this joke? It's

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<v Speaker 1>just my writers, right, So I'm like, should we do this?

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<v Speaker 1>The joke was just like, it's great to be such

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<v Speaker 1>as steam company and the time this was a batter

1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:02.800
<v Speaker 1>joke than it is not, but it's good, nice to

1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:05.200
<v Speaker 1>be in such a steam company. These people will not

1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:07.400
<v Speaker 1>be seen together again until the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the joke.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not a great joke, but it was a

1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:13.520
<v Speaker 1>good joke then. And I said, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that joke. It's the first joke up. Joke was

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<v Speaker 1>the first joke up. Yeah, And I thought, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do that joke because if I do that joke,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to think that. And I didn't do that joke,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad I didn't. Yeah, but I was. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember thinking I.

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<v Speaker 2>Wish you had been around when I started the Dana

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<v Speaker 2>Carvey Show with breastfeeding Bill Clinton. Don't start with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't start with that. All right, we gotta go. I

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<v Speaker 2>need to say one thing I just if you don't mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to say how much I appreciate I've

1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:47.720
<v Speaker 2>already talked about how much I liked your show, but

1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:50.520
<v Speaker 2>something you did really struck me back when you did it,

1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:53.320
<v Speaker 2>which was in two thousand, I think right around then,

1:05:53.360 --> 1:05:56.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe when Britney Spears was having all those problems. So

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<v Speaker 2>you came out and and you, in a very humane way,

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<v Speaker 2>just explained why you can't make these kind of jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just really it really struck me in a

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<v Speaker 2>in a huge way because I have very few lines

1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:16.720
<v Speaker 2>that I won't cross when I do comedy, obviously, but

1:06:16.880 --> 1:06:20.520
<v Speaker 2>one of them was always I never wanted to make

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<v Speaker 2>fun of addicts, and they never wanted to make fun

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<v Speaker 2>of people who were struggling with something that was beyond

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<v Speaker 2>their control. And I remember one time, Conan they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>me to play Nick Nolty after that mug shot. They

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<v Speaker 2>wanted me to do Nick Nolty's mugshots, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I really don't want to do this. I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel bad for the guy, and and Conan was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to do it. I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's certain things I really don't like to do. I've

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<v Speaker 2>broken the rule a few times.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've broken my own rule and I regret having

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<v Speaker 1>done it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, me too. But the Nick Nolty thing that

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<v Speaker 2>was so what was so funny about it was literally

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<v Speaker 2>like a week and a half later, the Oscars come

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<v Speaker 2>on and my comedy idol Steve Martin is the host,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the punchlines was basically giant Nick Nolty

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<v Speaker 2>mug shot right behind him, the whole world laughing Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Nolty's mug shot with Steve Martin's approof line on. I just, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just some things are just too big to pass up.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that was. That was. It was a very

1:07:34.800 --> 1:07:38.040
<v Speaker 2>funny mug shot. It was a very funny mug shot.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't blame Steve Martin, but it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, Brittany was too big to pass up for

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<v Speaker 2>everybody except you, and I really really respected you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's thanks man.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I respect you for the body of work. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think, if I'm honest, maybe the.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing for me has always been the dog. Yeah, the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's going to be on my tombstone. This

1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:09.080
<v Speaker 2>is the way, you know, this is a lovely this

1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:12.760
<v Speaker 2>is a lovely tombstone for me to poop on this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll probably say, I Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's like, you know, you go, you go, Cashmir,

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<v Speaker 1>you got you know, well and roll, but Stairway to Heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Although I'm really proud of Leo, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you've seen it. It's I've not seen Leo.

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<v Speaker 2>You should see it. You should see it. It's I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really proud of It's a different kind of thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's Sandler and Bill Burr on Netflix. It's a kid's

1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:36.400
<v Speaker 2>animated movie, but adults will like it. And and I

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<v Speaker 2>have it's a very popular movie. Uh, I have kids,

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<v Speaker 2>You have kids. I do, but my kids are older. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my kids are older. Way is your kids? They're sixteen now, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>my younger ones are sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>My youngest one is thirteen and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he'll like it. Going on forty fifty. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. He might think he's too old Ford,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's not. It's about fifth grade class. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>a jad class pat who's been in the same classroom

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<v Speaker 2>for seventy years and he's just enters every season, every

1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:10.720
<v Speaker 2>new year with cynicism like, ah, here comes you know,

1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:14.439
<v Speaker 2>here comes the tween queens. They think they're better than everybody. Know.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy's this is the always sick and should have

1:09:17.280 --> 1:09:19.559
<v Speaker 2>stayed comb kid, you know. And it's him and Bill

1:09:19.600 --> 1:09:21.600
<v Speaker 2>burb just being very cynical. But over the course of

1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:24.080
<v Speaker 2>the movie, he finds out that he thinks he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to die, and then he wants to escape and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>go see the everglades and catch flies. And then he

1:09:31.120 --> 1:09:35.040
<v Speaker 2>gets caught at a kid's house and accidentally speaks, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they end up talking, and he ends up giving

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<v Speaker 2>the kid. The kid opens up to him because it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a lizard, and she feels comfortable talking to him.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he actually is capable of giving advice, he realizes,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's seen every kind of kid. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>becomes addicted to helping the kids. And it sounds kind

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<v Speaker 2>of serious, but it's very silly and funny, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just really really proud of it. I will watch it

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<v Speaker 2>in the next day or two. No, no rush, let

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<v Speaker 2>me and then then I'll call you with no let

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<v Speaker 2>me please see Abut thanks Bud, all right, yeah,