Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft showy on
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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys is elect and now your hosts, Dame Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two
Speaker 1: of the NFL Combine, the twenty eighteen version of the
Speaker 1: NFL Combine here from the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Dame Brugler, David Hellman, King Garrison, Executive Producing. Well, guys,
Speaker 1: John Dorsey told you today you can have the number
Speaker 1: one pick of the draft if you like. Quekel Brown's
Speaker 1: opened up to open up to trading for They said
Speaker 1: that if they're open for business. No, I can't convince
Speaker 1: you guys going up there again, you have everybody loves
Speaker 1: the conversations we have when when you try to convince us,
Speaker 1: I try to give here, I why not go ahead
Speaker 1: and going up to the number one. John Dorsey did
Speaker 1: what our general manager should do, and that he makes
Speaker 1: it known that the phone lines are open, but that
Speaker 1: does not mean they're willing to deal by any means.
Speaker 1: You don't think no, I mean, you say it and
Speaker 1: if someone blows you away, but someone's got to blow
Speaker 1: you away, Okay, you guys, you guys can't come up
Speaker 1: with something to blow them away. Four guards and oh
Speaker 1: I'm trying. Yesterday we get discussion quarter No, no, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to talk about we were talking about Zach Martin yesterday.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a worst draft to go up
Speaker 1: to number one unless you need a quarterback. That's the
Speaker 1: point I was trying to get you to say, right there,
Speaker 1: David Helen, there you go, Yeah, thank you. I was
Speaker 1: trying to go a little bit around about away about
Speaker 1: saying this though, but you know, you know, and I
Speaker 1: hate when you say it's a bad draft. I hate
Speaker 1: when people say that though. It's not a bad draft.
Speaker 1: It's not a bad drap. No, it's just the we
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of blue chippers. It's a bad fund,
Speaker 1: that's what you know. But we're learning that today about
Speaker 1: some guys. Today was really the first day that tomorrow
Speaker 1: the on the field stuff will happen. The actual physical testing, uh,
Speaker 1: you know with the forties and the shuttles and all
Speaker 1: those things. You'll see that tomorrow on the various platforms
Speaker 1: in NFL network, I believe has that for you coverage,
Speaker 1: so you can take care of that. But today we
Speaker 1: did see the bench press stuff. And what was interesting
Speaker 1: today is the guys that we kind of thought about,
Speaker 1: the guys that we've talked the most about, the Quinton
Speaker 1: Nelson's of the world and stuff like that. Barkley, you know,
Speaker 1: Sequon Barkley. Yeah, it's it's like those guys we say, oh,
Speaker 1: not a lot of not a lot of spice, you know,
Speaker 1: through this thing in the top. But it seems like
Speaker 1: the guys that people are looking at studying hard, those
Speaker 1: guys are kind of rising to the occasion. One thing
Speaker 1: to say about the bench press that needs to be said, Uh,
Speaker 1: while yes it does measure strength, a lot of teams
Speaker 1: use it more as a way to gauge a player's
Speaker 1: work ethic. How much do they push themselves in the
Speaker 1: weight room. I think that that's more of a reflective
Speaker 1: than just you know, because a guy could be strong
Speaker 1: on the field and that doesn't necessarily translate the weight room. Right,
Speaker 1: So I think what the bench press does here is
Speaker 1: show teams, Okay, what guys really pushed themselves in the
Speaker 1: weight room. Uh, they maxed themselves out. And you know
Speaker 1: we saw today a guy we expected to Will Hernandez
Speaker 1: put up thirty seven reps on the bench, which is
Speaker 1: the most so far, and sae Quon Barkley at twenty nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've said it. I think I've done so many interviews
Speaker 1: around here, and every single interview I've said, they're going
Speaker 1: to rename this place after sae Quon Barkley after he's
Speaker 1: done with it. Two hundred and thirty three pounds put
Speaker 1: up the bench twenty nine times, and once we get
Speaker 1: to the athletic testing tomorrow, he's gonna blow that up
Speaker 1: as well. Only five offensive lineman had better numbers on
Speaker 1: the bench press than uh, Saquon Barkley did. Silly, that's
Speaker 1: just that's saying something just how much he works at
Speaker 1: it and of course how powerful he is. You surprised
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, okay, if you talk about work
Speaker 1: ethic and all that, and I'm a guy that's come
Speaker 1: on this show, and I know it's a down the
Speaker 1: line guy, but a guy that you talked very highly.
Speaker 1: You know, Smith the guard from Braydon, Smith from Auburn,
Speaker 1: and I you know, if you when you like you
Speaker 1: talked about I see a guy that plays weak on tape,
Speaker 1: but then you get yeah, yeah, you see second behind
Speaker 1: see so all of a sudden, now you talk about
Speaker 1: work ethic and all that, I didn't see a guy
Speaker 1: that played that strong. So to me, that's that's one
Speaker 1: of those things where you know, a guy, in my eyes,
Speaker 1: helped himself a little bit there if you're looking for
Speaker 1: that down the line type of guy. You know, all
Speaker 1: was saying like, I doesn't play strong. Well the tape
Speaker 1: tape shows that at a time, but at least in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I'm thinking like, well, he
Speaker 1: didn't come here and do ten reps. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it was something like okay, maybe he's had a little
Speaker 1: concerned and you know, I think a lot of people today,
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about it was not only
Speaker 1: some work, you know, prove it work wise, but how
Speaker 1: about prove it you know? In words with Penny the
Speaker 1: running back from yeah, from Sanao State, and he admitted
Speaker 1: that he's a poor pass blocker. Now, I mean that's
Speaker 1: really the main question with him. Yeah, what what you know,
Speaker 1: what the what are the questions about all these guys?
Speaker 1: You know, And that's what The combine is so great
Speaker 1: because it kind of gives you a little bit of
Speaker 1: an idea, you know. He he Penny knows what he
Speaker 1: has to work on well. And I love his response
Speaker 1: about pass protection is he said he's not going to
Speaker 1: hide from it. He understands that's a weakness right now,
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm not ashamed to admit my flaws,
Speaker 1: and so he understands that's and that's key because all
Speaker 1: these players have something wrong. I mean, all these players
Speaker 1: have weaknesses, but the smart ones recognize it and they're
Speaker 1: willing to work at it. It's not everyone does. It's
Speaker 1: the scouts job to have an idea what those weaknesses
Speaker 1: might be and see if those guys are willing to
Speaker 1: do what it takes to correct him. And it's the
Speaker 1: job of the player to self scout and understand, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do I need to work on? Uh? And I
Speaker 1: think we're shy Penny. He understands he's not the best
Speaker 1: pass protector and showed it on tape. We oh no,
Speaker 1: we documented that we love the player and absolutely get
Speaker 1: to the pass protection reps on tape and you just
Speaker 1: oh no, oh no, not again. Yeah, it just over
Speaker 1: and over, Yeah, it makes like a great catch or
Speaker 1: a great run, long run against somebody, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you go, oh, wait, here's the pass
Speaker 1: protection part. And he's two hundred and twenty pounds and
Speaker 1: he's athletic, so I think he can do it. I
Speaker 1: think he get better. But it makes me feel better
Speaker 1: about him long term that he understands it and he
Speaker 1: wants to work at it. I'm thinking about though as
Speaker 1: you go forward here though, and again we get into
Speaker 1: the workout part of it tomorrow, and we've kind of
Speaker 1: documented some guys that didn't need to have some good days.
Speaker 1: But I'll talk about a guy that didn't bench today,
Speaker 1: was Win like Georgia Guard Isaiah Win. And now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're like, okay, why did he not bench? Well,
Speaker 1: he had some shoulders. He had the shoulder surgery rapped
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, so okay. After the Senior yeah he was.
Speaker 1: He practiced all Senior Bowl week with it, so um
Speaker 1: my god, he'll yeah, he's a bomb players man. He'll
Speaker 1: he'll lift at the Pro Day and you know, all
Speaker 1: will be fine. I speaking of, you know, injuries and stuff.
Speaker 1: Billy Price. Billy Price one of the top centers in
Speaker 1: his draft, probably the second best center in the in
Speaker 1: the draft. It'll probably be number one for some teams
Speaker 1: at center. You know, take Daniels, you're a fool. This
Speaker 1: is a guy who has shorter arms, thirty two inch arms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Billy belly to belly blocker. That's what he is. Let's school.
Speaker 1: Plus he's very strong, so I think he would have
Speaker 1: hit forty on the bench press today. But after three
Speaker 1: reps he kind of flinched a little bit, came back down.
Speaker 1: They took the bar off him, motioned to his left shoulders,
Speaker 1: rubbed it a little bit and said, no, I'm done.
Speaker 1: And so we're waiting word on what the know, the
Speaker 1: severity of the injury. Is it something that we have
Speaker 1: to worry about long term. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: a terror. I'm no doctor. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't think it was a terror though,
Speaker 1: just based on his reaction. If there's a tear, I
Speaker 1: think we'd hear some serious screaming going exactly. I think
Speaker 1: it was more of just a tweak, a sprain, something
Speaker 1: that hopefully strain. Hopefully hopefully he's still able to work out,
Speaker 1: you know, this week, but just something to note with
Speaker 1: Billy Price, a very good player, a chance to be
Speaker 1: a first round pick who unfortunately the bench press uh
Speaker 1: did not go so well for him. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of going through your and you're right, it's
Speaker 1: unfortunate that that that that that did that did happen,
Speaker 1: because again, you want to you didn't want an these
Speaker 1: kids to get injured. That's really the last thing that
Speaker 1: you want to have happened. I mean, you want them
Speaker 1: to come to the combine and be able to show
Speaker 1: you know, what they're you know, and you like the
Speaker 1: fact that they're going to compete, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the talent that right, It sucks when somebody gets hurt
Speaker 1: doing Can can I talk about these offensive lineman and
Speaker 1: I and I brought up Daniels, James Daniels. Can we
Speaker 1: talk about him as a potential pick at nineteen? Again
Speaker 1: it's a guard I'm just right. But if you don't like,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to take win, if you don't
Speaker 1: want to take Win, and you don't want to take Hernandez,
Speaker 1: and do you does James Daniel should he be in
Speaker 1: that mix? So you know, Jason, excuse me, Stephen Jones said,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, if it's a potentially as Zach Martin
Speaker 1: kind of you know this this guy to me, yeah,
Speaker 1: this that does make sense. This guy's the best center
Speaker 1: in the draft, though, But would you play him at
Speaker 1: could you play him at guard? And feel and feel
Speaker 1: very comfortable about that at nineteen If he's the best
Speaker 1: center in the draft, I'd used to me, I would
Speaker 1: like to believe that he could do that, then Yes,
Speaker 1: it's extra appealing to me because you're probably gonna need
Speaker 1: a backup center anyway. I don't think Joe Looney's long
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. I think he could probably get I
Speaker 1: think he could probably get a starting gig somewhere instead
Speaker 1: of sitting behind Travis friend Rick. So a guy with
Speaker 1: the flexibility to do that, who could start a guard
Speaker 1: for you and be, you know, an immediate upgrade over
Speaker 1: what you had. Absolutely, I'm just trying to get more
Speaker 1: options now nineteen and that I was going to say
Speaker 1: too is I'm just and And it's still early, even
Speaker 1: even at the combine at this point we've done like
Speaker 1: twenty of these shows. It's still early. But I'm just
Speaker 1: starting to get this feeling like it ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: as Alignment one technique. No, we're I'm getting this feeling
Speaker 1: like we're not going to be in love with our
Speaker 1: options at nineteen. That's what I'm starting to keep talking
Speaker 1: to you guys about moving up. That's felt that way.
Speaker 1: Last year we had a great deal and well last
Speaker 1: year it's almost expected at twenty eight. Last year we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: if we were just picking nineteen, we'll get we'll have Tack,
Speaker 1: we'll have Charles Harris, you know. But now we're at nineteen,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm just I'm not in love with
Speaker 1: what it looks like our options are. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, though, do you think the Cowboys and I go?
Speaker 1: This is This is always one of those great dinner
Speaker 1: conversations we have last you know, like last night, you
Speaker 1: know Stephen Thomas song with us joining us, and you know,
Speaker 1: we have these conversations all the time about a dinner
Speaker 1: about hey, do you stay there, do you move? Do
Speaker 1: you go back? Do you I mean, there's so many
Speaker 1: arguments about going up going back, but again you kind
Speaker 1: of just put you know, you kind of said it.
Speaker 1: You don't feel great about potentially your options. But see,
Speaker 1: first of all, we're not in control of whether or
Speaker 1: not they trade up or down anyway, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the board and your willingness to give up your assets.
Speaker 1: But what we can do is turn over every stone
Speaker 1: to try to come up with some stuff we let
Speaker 1: And that's, you know, a similar conversation something you know
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on the receivers. Oh, I was about
Speaker 1: to go to that D about the DJ bore for you.
Speaker 1: Our campaign, our guy DJ Moore comes in its six
Speaker 1: foot today, which is two inches taller than that. You
Speaker 1: had to take that scout across the street that measured
Speaker 1: that and take him to take him saint almost for
Speaker 1: a steak. Seriously, he helped him there, helped him. Maryland
Speaker 1: listed him at five eleven. Yeah, so it's not like
Speaker 1: which honestly, that's shocking to me because college is loved
Speaker 1: to lie about their prospects and my guess is that
Speaker 1: they measured him as a freshman and then they probably
Speaker 1: just didn't enough to date the last three years because
Speaker 1: he was a junior. It left early. But yeah, him
Speaker 1: coming in at six foot, that's that's a huge win
Speaker 1: for DJ. Oh well yeah, okay, yeah, we were the
Speaker 1: height way we had coming in five o nine six,
Speaker 1: two fifteen so he comes in two inches taller. My
Speaker 1: first draft forward a month ago had him these guys cheering.
Speaker 1: By the way, he's the exact same height as everybody's
Speaker 1: darling Calvin Ridley. I didn't throw that out there. Ridley's
Speaker 1: a half inch taller, but yeah, same whatever, six foot
Speaker 1: I whoever said at first I didn't believe him. I
Speaker 1: don't remember it was me. I looked over again and
Speaker 1: I dj Moore. I was like, I don't believe you
Speaker 1: said to look for myself, and they're sure, what do
Speaker 1: you know? Six foot? And that's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I always use of it like I think
Speaker 1: of it like the old style fishing nets, like you
Speaker 1: throw a net out. I'm trying to cast my net
Speaker 1: over as many prospects. Oh, you said you're driving the train,
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that with you driving the train.
Speaker 1: And if I don't love my options at nineteen, like
Speaker 1: Derwin James isn't realistic, Roquan Smith might not really be realistic. Um,
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley may be gone. So you look around and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, how can I make this more palatable?
Speaker 1: James Daniels, you could talk me into that. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me, I'm getting the best center, maybe one of
Speaker 1: the potentially a really good guard at nineteen. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me maybe DJ Moore is not a reach at nineteen,
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I'm looking for reasons to be excited about
Speaker 1: my options. That's how I approach it. At least. Would
Speaker 1: you be okay with DJ Moore at nineteen? I would,
Speaker 1: I really would, because I got him in the first round.
Speaker 1: What I've got him and Ridley right there in the
Speaker 1: first round. I had no problem with that. What made
Speaker 1: you think not before? Like I mean, why weren't you
Speaker 1: comfortable with him? A part of that, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was so much the height is
Speaker 1: It was the fact that I'm thinking, again, now, what
Speaker 1: are my options? Right? What are my what are my
Speaker 1: legitimate And you know, the more we do this, the
Speaker 1: more and it's not talking to people, it's the more tape.
Speaker 1: And the great advantage that Dane has, and this is
Speaker 1: why Dane's so good at his job is he'll start
Speaker 1: looking at these guys in May, and you and I
Speaker 1: will start looking at him in December, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we've got to catch up. It will never
Speaker 1: completely catch up. To Dane, but he's got an idea
Speaker 1: of who's on that board. So he when he when
Speaker 1: he makes a thought or gives you a thought, and
Speaker 1: it's always it's a good thought. It's like, okay, well
Speaker 1: then who else is on the board? Now, now we're
Speaker 1: starting to see who else could be on that board.
Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head with like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure my options are gonna be so great? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and does djo you give me a guy
Speaker 1: that's a spectacular player down the field, making plays a
Speaker 1: lot of different offense, a lot of different coaches, a
Speaker 1: lot of different quarterbacks, it still has the success he has? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why not? And why not? You know? I'm sure somebody
Speaker 1: at home is thinking this too. It's like, well, you
Speaker 1: could trade back and get him, it's a better value.
Speaker 1: What scenario is making that possible as a quarterback? Falling
Speaker 1: to me? Does somebody just desperately want somebody else is
Speaker 1: going to trade up and do that? I I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I go back, I go back to Dane's first
Speaker 1: mock draft and how we've looked at that and that
Speaker 1: thing got just wiped out as we went along and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you start doing more work on it.
Speaker 1: You're thinking like, okay, Hurst, Oh, okay, I could I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that. But then you start thinking, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Hurst or DJ Moore, Hurst or you know you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean there's other guys that
Speaker 1: I feel like that you would you would feel better about.
Speaker 1: And again, we can't eliminate Vita Vea and you know,
Speaker 1: if he was there, because he's got we talked about that,
Speaker 1: the traits about him. But at nineteen, I think what
Speaker 1: we're trying to educate people on is keep an open
Speaker 1: mind here, keep a really big open money. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you mentioned James Daniels because we talked about, Oh, he's
Speaker 1: in the mix now. For me, I made my point
Speaker 1: clear about how you've been very been very clear. You've
Speaker 1: been very clear. I think it just generically, I think
Speaker 1: James Daniels is not a reach at the nineteenth pick um.
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the top twenty five players
Speaker 1: in this draft, the top offensive lineman, Quittin Nelson, Isaiah
Speaker 1: Wynn and then Daniels. Okay, And let's also say that
Speaker 1: when today in the interviews, said that he had met
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. Right so again you called the Cowboys
Speaker 1: offensive line nasty? Yeah, so say yeah, so that right
Speaker 1: there is you know the combine. You know, these players,
Speaker 1: they do a great job of You know, when you
Speaker 1: interview him, a lot of these kids will tell you, hey,
Speaker 1: I visited with the Rams, the Raiders, the Cowboys. You know,
Speaker 1: they'll name off and it seems like they can't remember
Speaker 1: all the teams. But I found that they remember the
Speaker 1: Cowboys a lot. The Cowboys is always a team that
Speaker 1: is mentioned. So kind of keep an eye on these
Speaker 1: top players and see what they're mentioned. Matter believe I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go find DJ Moore and ask them about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, you all get our chance tomorrow. Sure and
Speaker 1: with Annuals, Yes, he's the draftstop center. As a freshman,
Speaker 1: he actually started two games at guard, so he has
Speaker 1: that experience. And actually went back and watched him tape
Speaker 1: from his freshman year. Because of injury, he came in
Speaker 1: and he played right tackle a little bit. Sure is
Speaker 1: has experienced at other positions. He's not a center only
Speaker 1: you know Billy Price. Yes, he has experienced at guard,
Speaker 1: but you feel better about him at center. Daniels. I
Speaker 1: think he has a little more versatility to play any
Speaker 1: of the three interior positions and play it at a
Speaker 1: high level. So would you feel better about for the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: For the Cowboys Hurst or Dj Moore? I know, okay,
Speaker 1: say Ridley's out of the equation. Say the Ravens take
Speaker 1: Ridley at sixteen. As much as I love DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: I have Hirst rate to higher on my board. So
Speaker 1: I would go with the defensive tackle the three technique
Speaker 1: right me. Personally, I think the way he can impact
Speaker 1: the pocket, he can get it off the offense off
Speaker 1: schedule with that initial burst that he offers. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's that much of a liability versus to run
Speaker 1: where it's not two eighty eight. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean he's not. He looks light, but he's not.
Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't play light. No, he doesn't. And
Speaker 1: I don't know two eighty eight to ninety. That doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me at all. I don't care about that. Just
Speaker 1: give me the one gap up the field guy, exactly,
Speaker 1: Get a guy. Give me a guy who can penetrate
Speaker 1: and really affect what's going on in the backfield, and
Speaker 1: Maurice Hurst can do that. We don't know, boy, he's
Speaker 1: disgusted with what you I'm not disgusted. No, I'm not disgusted.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate. I wouldn't hate Hurst as a pick.
Speaker 1: But these, but these, this line already has guys who
Speaker 1: can penetrate, who are more of a liability. He'll argue more,
Speaker 1: too many guys I can do that. You're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: he'll argue with you. They got too many offensive lineman
Speaker 1: though too. I wouldn't. I wouldn't hate the pick because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you want to affect
Speaker 1: the passer. But this team got bullied against the run
Speaker 1: a little bit last year. And we were talking today
Speaker 1: about we already know how they feel about true nose tackles,
Speaker 1: but like, what if what if you could get a
Speaker 1: guy who takes people, gets people off of Sean Lee
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith's Yeah, how nice would that be? How much?
Speaker 1: Again we were talking about we were talking about Dion
Speaker 1: Jones in Atlanta's and who plays in front of him?
Speaker 1: And by the way, let me ask you this because
Speaker 1: this was a lunchtime conversation we had over smoked wings
Speaker 1: kind of love to eat. By the way, if you
Speaker 1: haven't noticed, I'm still full from last night, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Would you could? Would you play Roquan Smith at Mike
Speaker 1: linebacker like you would with Dion Jones in Atlanta? Yes,
Speaker 1: there is not a linebacker position that Roquan Smith cannot play,
Speaker 1: thank you, Dane. So he's not just strict will to you. No,
Speaker 1: he's not. This isn't two thousand and four, Brian Urlocker,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I mean small guys can play. No,
Speaker 1: he's not that thumper who's just going to be able
Speaker 1: to attack the line and you know, bench press offensive
Speaker 1: lineman off his frame, get clean. I mean he's not that,
Speaker 1: but he can still his speed in the ability, his
Speaker 1: ability to diagnose the play. I mean, he can use
Speaker 1: that to his benefit and make plays. He might be
Speaker 1: best at the will, but that I'd be perfectly okay
Speaker 1: putting him at the mic, playing him at the SAM
Speaker 1: and being and feeling okay about it what he can
Speaker 1: do with those positions. I want one hundred percent agree
Speaker 1: with that, just for the record, which I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if something crazy happened, which hey, Dane says it every time,
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith's not going to be for everybody, Well, he's
Speaker 1: definitely for me. If he falls to nineteen for whatever
Speaker 1: that's work. Agree, But in a situation like we were
Speaker 1: talking about at the top of the show, where you're
Speaker 1: not in love with most of your options, I would
Speaker 1: rather draft a wide receiver Dj Moore or offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: whether it's Daniels, whether it's Isaiah Winn, whatever, that I
Speaker 1: feel really good about, as opposed to a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: that I feel kind of good about just because you
Speaker 1: need a defensive tackle. It's the age old argument, Oh sure,
Speaker 1: give me the guy that I just I feel better
Speaker 1: about some of those outside the box options than just
Speaker 1: drafting a defensive tackle because they need one. That's just me.
Speaker 1: I think there's just so many. I think again the options,
Speaker 1: and I think I think you're right, but I think
Speaker 1: you have to be ready. I think you have to
Speaker 1: be a little bit okay, maybe yeah, maybe it's maybe
Speaker 1: there are other options besides hers that you have to
Speaker 1: think about. It's and nothing and nothing wrong with hers,
Speaker 1: because I have HRSUS a first round grade. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, though, man, I get what you guys are
Speaker 1: saying about selling about Dj Moore. I get that you
Speaker 1: know that that doesn't I don't have a problem with
Speaker 1: that now. It's funny because we've this team has picked
Speaker 1: later multiple times. I mean in last year and in
Speaker 1: fifteen they picked much later than this, But sitting here
Speaker 1: at nineteen, it kind of reminds me of sixteen with
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, which that obviously worked out really well. But
Speaker 1: you're right there in no man's land where you're sure
Speaker 1: we're gonna miss out on all these elite guys, and
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Like I do. I feel
Speaker 1: like I've never been so clueless about what I thought
Speaker 1: they might do like I. And if you're not considering
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Speaker 1: touched on this in the first segment. Kevin wants to
Speaker 1: know could a torn peck, which we said, we don't
Speaker 1: think it's a torn peck. Could a torn peck drop
Speaker 1: Billy Price into the fifty range? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: talking about but you're taking about an injury. You're gonna
Speaker 1: draft him and then when would you get him back?
Speaker 1: That would be And I'm again, i I'm like Dane,
Speaker 1: he said earlier I'm not a doctor, and I've been
Speaker 1: accused of play in one a couple of different times
Speaker 1: and it never works out well for me. Is really
Speaker 1: like a six month injury. Yeah, I mean you're talking
Speaker 1: about he you know, and when he's when he gets back,
Speaker 1: when he's done, he might not be you know, ready
Speaker 1: for snaps right away. So I think best case scenario,
Speaker 1: you're probably looking at October, you know, like a second
Speaker 1: half of the season. It's a pup for sure, I believe, right.
Speaker 1: I mean that's like you're talking about all the training
Speaker 1: camp and then now into the first six weeks of
Speaker 1: the season. So I mean that that would be a
Speaker 1: very difficult thing. This this football team players, you know,
Speaker 1: but they've never shied away from the y. Again, those
Speaker 1: words left my mouth. The big Jalen Smith boot went
Speaker 1: right in my rear, yeah, you know, and reminded me
Speaker 1: without that. So yeah, but that's a good question. But
Speaker 1: we don't know that it is a torna. We do
Speaker 1: not know, we don't think. So hopefully tomorrow he will
Speaker 1: be on that field running around. Hopefully. Hopefully here's a Brian,
Speaker 1: I know how you like creative questions out of the bucks.
Speaker 1: Michael's got one that I like. Uh, he wants to
Speaker 1: know if you get wiped out, you draft Connor Williams
Speaker 1: at nineteen and maybe play him at guard. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of people who think Connor Williams is a
Speaker 1: guard around the league, Brian included, clearly. But this is
Speaker 1: also a player who's never thanking for that question, sir.
Speaker 1: He's never played guard in his life. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think he could never in high school. Never got a
Speaker 1: guard body. Uh yeah, six five two ninety six, like
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win has a guard body. Isaiah Win looks like
Speaker 1: a guard. Connor Williams to me, he's a square guy day.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't a team play tackle? Um? Now, thirty
Speaker 1: three arms not ideal for a tackle. You want closer
Speaker 1: at least over thirty four, closer to thirty five. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, guys like Joe Thomas, I've shown that you
Speaker 1: can have shorter arms. You just just hit me right
Speaker 1: in the gut with that one, didn't you. Well, I've
Speaker 1: learned Connor Williams is Uh. I'm trying him at tackle.
Speaker 1: But if a team drafts him for guard, I mean,
Speaker 1: if that's what they need, I don't think that's wrong.
Speaker 1: What is your thought? About if a team takes a
Speaker 1: tackle with the attent of moving him from tackle to guard,
Speaker 1: let him play tackle first and then kick him inside. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think with a lot of these guys, uh,
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna know during the private workouts. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know whether he can do it. You know, like you
Speaker 1: don't like a guy like Connor Williams. He needs I'm
Speaker 1: just saying in general, the thought of drafting a tackle, okay,
Speaker 1: but then playing him a guard. It didn't work out
Speaker 1: great for chat Green, right, I mean, I think it
Speaker 1: just depends on the player. A guy like make Chas
Speaker 1: Green was a tackle all the way. But that's the
Speaker 1: coach admitted that it depends. It depends on the player.
Speaker 1: Because a guy like Mike McGlinchey, who's a better I
Speaker 1: mean he's tall, he's sixty eight, sure, but he's a
Speaker 1: better run defender than he is pass protector. I think
Speaker 1: he could play guard. A guy like Tyroll Crosby, who
Speaker 1: played guard kind of love or played tackle at Oregon,
Speaker 1: he could move inside and play guard. I think we
Speaker 1: talked about Corbit too. I mentioned him a bunch, But
Speaker 1: you're talking about really special players though you're too much
Speaker 1: special I think Cross nineteen corbit on the on the
Speaker 1: bench a little disappointed. You know what, I think Zach
Speaker 1: Martin had like that too, Not Zack Martin, Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: Trevis Fredick was really terrible workout. Terrible workout shows what
Speaker 1: we know. Hey, but trust the tape, trust the tape. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I neither one of y'all answered the question. Yes, yes, No,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I'm not. No. Connor Williams is okay,
Speaker 1: a good player, Okay, I okay, Oh but if he
Speaker 1: can't he said the board was wiped out. Do you
Speaker 1: like Connor Williams is a is a wipeout pick? No,
Speaker 1: I think they'll be better player? Okay, you think is
Speaker 1: DJ Moore will be on that board? I would take
Speaker 1: DJ Moore over him. Yeah, I'm saying I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't envision a scenario where Connor Williams will be my
Speaker 1: best player available at nineteen. He said he can't get
Speaker 1: wiped out to the point where Connor Williams is the
Speaker 1: best bet. Right Wait, wait, campaign manager over here, six
Speaker 1: sounds that was back. He's got translate. Gang up on
Speaker 1: me because you make it easy. It's true, I do
Speaker 1: make it easy, don't I King like to make you think.
Speaker 1: King wants to know, in light of what we learned today,
Speaker 1: more likely at nineteen DJ Moore or Calvin Ridley? What's more?
Speaker 1: What's a more likely option? I think people will see
Speaker 1: Ridley as a better player. Well, I think, But he's
Speaker 1: asking what's more? For us? Why I got it? Do
Speaker 1: you do you have? That's what I'm saying. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say that I think Ridley will keep taken before more.
Speaker 1: Is it easier to imagine Ridley falling to nineteen or DJ?
Speaker 1: I'm interested say that a wait wait wait, wait stop
Speaker 1: stop stop stop stop. All this love for Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: now has been is being questioned. No, I just I've
Speaker 1: said this from the start. Oh you have. You've been
Speaker 1: very clear about your love for Calvin Ridley. But with
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley's one hundred and ninety pounds and I think
Speaker 1: there's a plenty of teams that are not going to
Speaker 1: see you like that two hundred and fifteen pound guy
Speaker 1: running out there. It's now six foot right. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that more is gonna go over Ridley.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that a team in the top fifteen.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to agree with you, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing doubt. I've always had that doubt. I've never
Speaker 1: ruled out Ridley at nineteen. I'm saying it's possible because
Speaker 1: again the same thing with Roquan Smith. Teams love measurables,
Speaker 1: and neither Roquan or Ridley are going to have ideal
Speaker 1: measurables when teams look for a top fifteen player. If
Speaker 1: you're a cowboy fan, who you who? You're just hoping
Speaker 1: Ridley or Smith. But it gets there to you. Oh,
Speaker 1: Smith's a top ten player for me in this route.
Speaker 1: I mean, Calvin Ridley is two, but Smith, gimme Smith.
Speaker 1: But Ridley again, he's one hundred and ninety pounds, and
Speaker 1: I think that will scare some teams. That is the
Speaker 1: number one concern with him before we the way is eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's one hundred niney pound athlete.
Speaker 1: That's I think Marvin Harrison, Calvin Ridley. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: undersized receivers that are doing great things in the league,
Speaker 1: but again, so many teams are locked into the thought
Speaker 1: of getting a specific type of player in the top fifteen.
Speaker 1: So and one hundred ninety pound wide receivers. Not one
Speaker 1: of those I want. I want Cashi a real quick question,
Speaker 1: go ahead, did you hear some doubt? No? See, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, Brian jumps on any sign of waffling
Speaker 1: like a shark on blood in the white. He's just like,
Speaker 1: what are you backtracking? Because I'm gonna murder you if
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't think Dane backtracked at all. You're
Speaker 1: just trying to find something to argue Ridley. I think
Speaker 1: he was like number ten overall my board, So I
Speaker 1: mean I would take him somewhere in that in that
Speaker 1: you know, ten to twelve range, But I'm thinking other
Speaker 1: teams are going he's not gonna fit in that neat
Speaker 1: little box, and so Ridley could be there at nineteen.
Speaker 1: I think he makes too much sense at what sixteen
Speaker 1: to the Ravens. Sure we know how much Aussie knew.
Speaker 1: Some loves those outlays. They need that they need a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. That makes a lot of sense. But it
Speaker 1: would not shock me at all if Calvin Realley is
Speaker 1: there at nineteen. So you think it's more realistic that
Speaker 1: Ridley falls to nineteen than more jumps that high up. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that. That's all we needed, Brian, that's all we needed.
Speaker 1: In your opinion of that is damp for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: Can't you can clip this out for a future years?
Speaker 1: I love to see how I like to see? How
Speaker 1: do I just want to fight? You know what? Commitment?
Speaker 1: It is? Absolute commitment is what I like. Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: is the number one right wide receiver in this class
Speaker 1: by default, like by default, you know what? You know
Speaker 1: what I don't see. You don't think he's a good player.
Speaker 1: I don't. It's not learned that the best bro. He's
Speaker 1: just he's not. He's not worth getting like excited about.
Speaker 1: This might be a receiving crew that has some depth
Speaker 1: throughout that are going to turn out to be some
Speaker 1: pretty good players. I think there are more questions about
Speaker 1: is that guy a slot player? Can he play outside?
Speaker 1: How many of those guys do we have? Are we
Speaker 1: seeing slought players here? Are we seeing Kirk Anthony Miller? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of them. Yeah, it's ibsand how many? But
Speaker 1: how many true outside ones? You see? Danny even said it,
Speaker 1: he said, hey, this guy might be Cower really might
Speaker 1: be a two. Yeah, and That's why I love him
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, because he's a perfect Z for this offense.
Speaker 1: I think what he can do compliments Dez. It helps Dez,
Speaker 1: it helps Dak, it helps the run game. I think
Speaker 1: it's a perfect fit for this offense. He can be
Speaker 1: a high end two and again that's not a negative.
Speaker 1: That still means he could be a top twenty wide
Speaker 1: receiver in this league. But no, I think you're right
Speaker 1: about the overall point about not having a there's not
Speaker 1: an Aj Green Julio Jones. But that's where Courtland Sutton
Speaker 1: comes in. And this is why it's a big week
Speaker 1: for Courtland Sutton said this. He has number one traits,
Speaker 1: uh and just you worry about the transition from college
Speaker 1: the pro level, it's a big week for him to
Speaker 1: show what's his forty you know, how how well is
Speaker 1: he going to test? That's gonna go to a long
Speaker 1: way into a team figuring out if they are willing
Speaker 1: to invest a top forty pick in the Courtland Sun.
Speaker 1: Can I ask one more scout question of my scouts
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott? What you know about Dak Prescott? Which
Speaker 1: receiver best fits how he throws the football Between more
Speaker 1: and Ridley. You know my answer because I've been consistent
Speaker 1: with what I think about that. It's not that I
Speaker 1: think they both work, but I just I just really
Speaker 1: like DJ Moore for a variety of reasons, one of
Speaker 1: them being that I think he fits that. I think
Speaker 1: he's got the hands and the ability to separate that
Speaker 1: make that work. So both are available at nineteen. Who
Speaker 1: are you taking? He's taken more? Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I've gone. Oh no, he hey Dane, and I retweeted,
Speaker 1: he he know he's gone too. He got right Yeah,
Speaker 1: got right behind the road. He got right behind the
Speaker 1: wheel and started pointing down the highway. Gone too far
Speaker 1: down this road to turn around. I just want to
Speaker 1: ask you, though, of what you what you scouted both players? Yeah,
Speaker 1: which player is a better fit for a quarterback that
Speaker 1: might have some curcy questions? I think it's Ridley because
Speaker 1: he can get open and he's going to present the
Speaker 1: quarterback with an open target. I think his place speed
Speaker 1: and his route running, and that's what's so special about Ridley.
Speaker 1: The place being. The route running is going to create space,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to He's gonna make it tough
Speaker 1: for you to miss him because he's going to sit
Speaker 1: down in an open zone, give you a clear target,
Speaker 1: just aim for the numbers. He's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: guy that's going to struggle to get open. And that's
Speaker 1: where with DJ Moore, as much as I like him,
Speaker 1: he can. I think that's what we're expecting and that's
Speaker 1: not a bad thing. Again, DJ Moore is my number
Speaker 1: two receiver. I've been talking about Dj more since the fall,
Speaker 1: and sure, yeah, I think people more and more people
Speaker 1: started to catch on how good he is. I would
Speaker 1: love him on my football team. I would love Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley a little more. Yeah, he's right, he's not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hear you. Hey, I was just no, I was
Speaker 1: just curious because both guys, I mean to me, maybe
Speaker 1: More might be a little bit better bad ball catcher consistency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you think, if you think that, if you see
Speaker 1: what you're saying with that, this is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to go with. And I understand why he likes More
Speaker 1: because you see circus plays with bad quarterbacks. So if
Speaker 1: you have a quarterback, that's not accurate. If you're not
Speaker 1: if you're playing with quarterbacks, it's not accurate. Or has
Speaker 1: questions of accuracy. Wouldn't More make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: DJ Moore kind of passed from eight different quarterbacks sure,
Speaker 1: in the last three years. I mean, we're all so
Speaker 1: we're all in agreement. Is trying to go though? I mean,
Speaker 1: if Dj More goes your team with a bad quarterback,
Speaker 1: he still has chances to have productivity. I think, let me,
Speaker 1: he's used to play with a bad quarterback. Let's break
Speaker 1: this downboy, don't have a bad quarterback. No, I'm just saying, though, Okay,
Speaker 1: way to go. Dane boils down to brass tacks real quick?
Speaker 1: Is this really realistic? Like? Are we just lost in
Speaker 1: like a combine fantasy right now? We're talking about we're
Speaker 1: talking about DJ Moore as maybe lasting to fifty but
Speaker 1: probably not two weeks ago. And now we're just like
Speaker 1: nineteen or bus No, no, no, because we're trying you're
Speaker 1: trying to think about who's your second best receiver on
Speaker 1: the board. Yeah, and I think that if Ridley, if
Speaker 1: Ridley's gone and you and you get to that situation
Speaker 1: at nineteen where you don't like any of those players, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they'd like him as much as we do. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is we clearly like him a lot.
Speaker 1: And I guess my point is, do they or will
Speaker 1: they really like to do that? I kind of lean
Speaker 1: more toward no. Can't wait till the thirty visits. By
Speaker 1: the way, it's a good point. Yeah, give me those
Speaker 1: thirty visites. I'll tell you exactly who they like. We'll
Speaker 1: get those shifting gears a little bit. Great question, by
Speaker 1: the way, Brett wants to know. Wait, hey, keeping our
Speaker 1: options open, right, Brett wants to know who's who's a
Speaker 1: better fit for this team? Harold Landry or Marcus Davenport.
Speaker 1: I don't Landry just doesn't seem to fit what they
Speaker 1: look for in an edge rusher. Not really. I said this.
Speaker 1: I said this to Kevin Turner earlier today, like he
Speaker 1: loves Harold Landry? I said, why are you doing that
Speaker 1: to yourself? Why are you falling in love with that guy?
Speaker 1: A year after what happened with t J. Watt? Harold
Speaker 1: Andrews can come in probably six o one six two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two pounds, But after after what happened
Speaker 1: with t J. Watt, why are you falling in love
Speaker 1: with a tweener? They're trying, they're yeah, they're screaming at
Speaker 1: you that they don't want to kt KT saw he
Speaker 1: had lost it in the first room last year. Hey,
Speaker 1: this isn't about no I'm serious. This isn't about how
Speaker 1: well that you can evaluate players. But he says he's
Speaker 1: telling the Cowboys basically to stick it because there's there's
Speaker 1: people that could that rush the passer they don't like.
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself. Yeah, I trust y'all's opinions.
Speaker 1: I think y'all are great. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I don't care about your opinion because I want to
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do, right, That's what I want
Speaker 1: to know. There's no doubt about that. There's no dabta.
Speaker 1: He looks like an NFL defensive end for sure. He
Speaker 1: is a budding superstar, you hope, a huge bust. All
Speaker 1: these guys have bus potentialists. That's what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you know it's but I can understand why why Katie's
Speaker 1: gonna die on that hill. I can sure because because
Speaker 1: again he had he had lost it in the first
Speaker 1: round last year. We did it with t J. Watt
Speaker 1: last year, and yeah, exactly, we all agree that t J.
Speaker 1: Watt would be a better player. But That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you know this team is going to change their
Speaker 1: philosophy when it comes to But I am eager to
Speaker 1: see what Harold Landry how long his arms are, because
Speaker 1: when you watch him on tape, there are times when
Speaker 1: you see him extend into rushers use that length to
Speaker 1: his advantage. He is more than just a speed demon
Speaker 1: around the edge. So I am eager to see what
Speaker 1: he weighs in. It can say it? How about that?
Speaker 1: How about how wrong? How about to take his thirty
Speaker 1: five and a half inch arms and put it on
Speaker 1: somebody that Yeah, like a rusher? That would have fun.
Speaker 1: He's a good rusher to the guy who's who's short,
Speaker 1: But he's not small. He's not small right at all.
Speaker 1: Jordan wants to know if offensive line is the pick
Speaker 1: at nineteen, Dane would have a fit. Well, no, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: What should the next pick be? If offensive line is
Speaker 1: the pick at night, give it to him. It has
Speaker 1: to be defense? Is yeah, defense you're going with? Please
Speaker 1: take Golden if he's there. Probably we look at linebacker,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle or safety and really just who's the highest
Speaker 1: graded player there? Uh? Vander esh from Boise State. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I don't think he'll be there at fifty. Um,
Speaker 1: Golden could be there in the discussion. Uh, and then
Speaker 1: maybe one of our nose tackle we've been talking about,
Speaker 1: I mean, would you. I don't think either of us
Speaker 1: would be upset to see so not go that high. No, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's in that mix. And I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: true nose tackle. I think he could play three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got trades, he's he falls under the trades. He's
Speaker 1: not a statue. He can move. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you look at defense, you look at uh, you know,
Speaker 1: up the middle with defensive tackle, linebacker, safety is the
Speaker 1: most like Harrison. Harrison would make some sense there at
Speaker 1: fifty if he was there, wouldn't he Well, I just
Speaker 1: don't see him available, But yeah, make like quite a
Speaker 1: fall for Ronnie Harrison. Are you talking about Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Harrison Phillips. No, No, uh, Alabama's safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still doubt he'd be there. But and especially because
Speaker 1: the safety class is so weak, like I think we
Speaker 1: all agree, Harrison will be the second safety drafted. I
Speaker 1: would I would be pretty shocked the second safety does
Speaker 1: not come off the board until the fiftieth pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems surprising to me. Can I get Can I
Speaker 1: give you one more? Ye? Got u again? In the
Speaker 1: name of expanding our options, it's to expand your option.
Speaker 1: Show today here at the combine pick number nineteen. DJ
Speaker 1: Moore or Josh Jackson haven't talked about him at all.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how realistic that is. This team
Speaker 1: can't draft a corner right in the first round, Why
Speaker 1: the hell not? If you start at corners already, if
Speaker 1: you if you're if if crowded, Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: had they said they haven't talked about moving Byron Jones
Speaker 1: to corner yet there well, they have hope for Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're gonna make me pick a corner,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Hughes. Is this or isn't this a passing league? No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if if, if our guys are gone,
Speaker 1: if depending on what you think about Wards gone, Fitzpatrick gone,
Speaker 1: If you're gonna make me pick a corner, the my
Speaker 1: third best corner on the board is Hughes from Mikey
Speaker 1: is from the UCF. That's just agree. I agree. So,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make me pick a corner, I'm not
Speaker 1: taking Jackson I'm taking hughes, but would you do it
Speaker 1: if you I mean, you're wiped out. Let's say you're
Speaker 1: wiped out. I take, I take more. I just don't
Speaker 1: think this team is gonna take a corner. It does.
Speaker 1: I meant, if we all, we all sort of think
Speaker 1: Byron Jones is probably gonna get a look at corner.
Speaker 1: Why has everybody fallen in love with Jackson? The Iowa
Speaker 1: corner I led the he led all of college football
Speaker 1: and passes defendant and interceptions. That's two reasons right there.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just asking when you watch the tape.
Speaker 1: He's got some struggles in man, but I think for
Speaker 1: a zone heavy team where he has a chance to
Speaker 1: keep the receiver in front of him, use those instincts
Speaker 1: that he has. And he's not a bad athlete. He
Speaker 1: just there are some holes in man coverage. But for
Speaker 1: a zone heavy team, absolutely, I'd draft him in the
Speaker 1: first round. So it just depends on the team and
Speaker 1: the fit, uh for him. I don't. I'm not as
Speaker 1: high on him as others, but for the right team,
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not. But I understand. I understand what you're
Speaker 1: saying there, I really do. I just I get I
Speaker 1: can't get over Desmond King in my head. You know
Speaker 1: he's a good player. What's your No, I can't get
Speaker 1: over how great Desmond King was and how what this
Speaker 1: guy is. And Desmond King has made plays. He went
Speaker 1: in the fifth round, and Jackson is gonna go in
Speaker 1: the first. Desmond King should have gone the first, idiot
Speaker 1: NFL should have he should he should he should have.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, should have gone a lot higher
Speaker 1: than he did. No question. Everybody's worried about Oh you know,
Speaker 1: oh he doesn't run well, he's got a drink, he's
Speaker 1: got a drinking round. He does not drinking from at all.
Speaker 1: You pick six, Dak Prescott. You gotta get anymore over there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. Um Austin wants to know idea. We've talked
Speaker 1: about this, but we'll revisit it. Idealistic day three running
Speaker 1: back fits rounds four to seven running backs. They're gonna
Speaker 1: pick what one, two, three, four we talked about six
Speaker 1: times in the on the third day. Does Walton go
Speaker 1: well before the fourth? Yeah, he's gone. Kelly gone before
Speaker 1: the fourth? No, I think Kelly is a possibility. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a for sure that he's gone finds.
Speaker 1: We've talked about him North Carolina State, right, Yeah, who's
Speaker 1: the player player? I don't think we've talked about much.
Speaker 1: Josh Adams from Notre Dame that Davey wants me to
Speaker 1: watch Josh Haddens. Really you should, and I've seen him.
Speaker 1: I've seen him on tape before. That knee brace scares me.
Speaker 1: He's got that knee brace song and beat up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see that worries me. But watch him go. He'll light
Speaker 1: the league up. Now, we're not asking him to carry
Speaker 1: the ball twenty five times. But I just want a
Speaker 1: healthy guy. I want a healthy runner because you know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do with a runner. I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: him for four or five years than discard him. But
Speaker 1: but you're not. You're not asking him to be the be.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to be healthy to start out with
Speaker 1: so I could use him all the time. Well, what
Speaker 1: it was is he tours ACL as a sophomore in
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, and still wears this knee brace. It's
Speaker 1: just a protective thing. Right, that's at this scary. That's
Speaker 1: I will watch the player. You should, but that's also
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about the fourth, fifth round. Now
Speaker 1: you know, so at a certain point you take the
Speaker 1: risk depending on Let me ask you guys a question,
Speaker 1: fourth round, what what player? What position? Not what player?
Speaker 1: What position would you absolutely take in the fourth round?
Speaker 1: Is there a position that you would take that you like?
Speaker 1: You know what I feel like this fourth round is
Speaker 1: that could be a good round for this position. I
Speaker 1: might be running back. I mean, I think you know
Speaker 1: we've mentioned Daryl Williams, John Kelly uh some of these
Speaker 1: other Josh Adams. I think all will be there in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. And like just what you do with
Speaker 1: Dak last, you know a couple of years two years ago,
Speaker 1: you just take a fourth round guy? Is it a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Who's your fourth round quarterback? We talked about Luke Fawk
Speaker 1: on this show as a guy. Yeah, do you do
Speaker 1: you not have it? Do not have a legitimate guy
Speaker 1: after those top five? No? I mean, I think Kyle
Speaker 1: Loletta from Richmond. If you're bad in the bo, if
Speaker 1: you're looking for a quarterback in the fourth, fifth round,
Speaker 1: that's your guy. He's not Jimmy Garoppolo. I've heard those
Speaker 1: comparisons is ludicrous. Jimmy Garppolo is a much better player
Speaker 1: when he's coming out of Eastern Illinois. Lolette is a
Speaker 1: good player though, and he's very efficient. He's very smart.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna hurt you. Uh. Doesn't have elite physical traits,
Speaker 1: but he he understands what his job is and he
Speaker 1: maximizes his potential. How about cornerback. Yeah, we're talking about
Speaker 1: this being a deep corner class, and sure I agree
Speaker 1: with you. At the end of the day, you don't
Speaker 1: want to take a corner in the first round on
Speaker 1: this team. Try to find the next Anthony Brown, find
Speaker 1: some youth. Maybe maybe you don't. Have you talked about
Speaker 1: the Sai. Where's Whitehead from pitt Goes? He a third
Speaker 1: round guy? I think so, But I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: perform well here at the combine. Um, maybe I'm too
Speaker 1: high on him. Um, one kind like we were with
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods. Yeah maybe maybe I think one guy a
Speaker 1: corner who's getting overlooked. Um, I don't. We probably said
Speaker 1: his name on the Draft show. Yeah, but DJ Reid
Speaker 1: from Kansas State, Oh yeah, yeah, I've watched him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly have not heard that name, as he'd be your
Speaker 1: your Orlando Scandric ok undersized slot guy who he's got
Speaker 1: ball skills, he's got some speed. Uh he's been you know,
Speaker 1: kind of labeled his undersize his whole life out of
Speaker 1: high school. Had to go to Fresno State. Coaches didn't
Speaker 1: believe on him, so he went to JUCO, goes to
Speaker 1: Kansas State and he just lights it up for Bill Snyder.
Speaker 1: So sounds like he might be a chip on his
Speaker 1: shoulder kind of absolutely much like Dan Danis. I've just
Speaker 1: reading my notes on him because I say, I watched
Speaker 1: him against UCLA in Kansas and you're right, the movement's
Speaker 1: not back. It turned quickly wrap up as a tackler
Speaker 1: plays with a burst, has ketchup speed, has feels, how
Speaker 1: to play routes. I mean IM not afraid to step
Speaker 1: up tackle. I mean yeah, but he's fighting the measurements
Speaker 1: that we were going off of five away, five one
Speaker 1: eighty eight and we'll see what he is here. Uh,
Speaker 1: he'll be six foot here if they move on from
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandrick. He's a name to know that you could
Speaker 1: fit that role. DJ Read Kansas State. Another one who
Speaker 1: we talked about before. You know, if you're okay with
Speaker 1: who he is off the field. Holton Hill, Texas one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. He's like him. I think he's a
Speaker 1: second round player just based on talent, but you do
Speaker 1: worry about the off field and reliability. But in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, maybe the value is there. You feel comfortable,
Speaker 1: all right, I got real quick. Sure this is a
Speaker 1: Dane special And I'm only asking it because it plays
Speaker 1: so well with what we're just talking about. Because Ed
Speaker 1: wants to know why aren't we talking about Georgia's safety
Speaker 1: Dominic Sanders productive player at Georgia over his career. He's
Speaker 1: got I think, more of a size of a corner
Speaker 1: like he's not the biggest safety, but he's rangey and
Speaker 1: he's played. He's a four year starter. He's played a
Speaker 1: lot of football in the SEC. I see him as
Speaker 1: more of a late round guy. But yeah, when you're fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: seventh round and you're looking for a safety, he's one
Speaker 1: of the names to be on the shortlist. What I mean,
Speaker 1: corner nickel maybe? Could? I mean we saw Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: do that this team. I don't know. I've never seen
Speaker 1: him back pedal. I've never seen him I have to
Speaker 1: consistently transition. So he played really really deep at times. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but a guy that when he has a chance to
Speaker 1: pick the ball off. He he did. I mean he
Speaker 1: took advantage of those opportunities. He had had a really
Speaker 1: good career for defense that you know, we saw good
Speaker 1: that defense was this season for the Bulldogs and Athens
Speaker 1: winning the SEC going on with the national title. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the plot. We'll back here in at the two eighteen
Speaker 1: NFL combine. Things winding down here for date two tomorrow,
Speaker 1: we will have actual on field workouts. We had bench
Speaker 1: presses today. Some again some impressive numbers from some of
Speaker 1: the running backs. I thought that was I thought that
Speaker 1: was a good and some unimpressive numbers from the offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Mister lsu Hey. They he needs to be said, Darius
Speaker 1: Guys fifteen reps, which is half of what Sequon Barkley did.
Speaker 1: So what I mean, Okay, Oh ask you this though,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about Guys, would you would you say
Speaker 1: that he's not a strong player. No, I would say
Speaker 1: that's kind of the foundation of what he is as
Speaker 1: a runner, he say he runs pretty damn strong. No,
Speaker 1: and he talks about this is one of the best
Speaker 1: parts about the combine is being able to talk to
Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, it is great. Spent some time with
Speaker 1: Darius guys and he said four words when asked, Okay,
Speaker 1: who do you compare to uh in the NFL be
Speaker 1: smood skittles man. That was his response, which to that point,
Speaker 1: Darius Guis's power comes from his lower body, like I
Speaker 1: like that dude, his legs or something else. And it's
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. And it's not only just
Speaker 1: just the physical power, but it's the determination. It's he
Speaker 1: runs angry. You know, if he was one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty pounds, he'd still run that same way. He would
Speaker 1: not change the way he runs. So I'm not too
Speaker 1: worried about the fifteen. I mean it really Again, like
Speaker 1: we said at the top of the show, I think
Speaker 1: the bench press, especially for some of these positions like
Speaker 1: running back, shows more about you know how often they're
Speaker 1: in the weight room and pushing themselves there. But no,
Speaker 1: this is uh, this is a player who he's deserving
Speaker 1: a first round consideration. Uh. You know, we He talked
Speaker 1: about how Marshawn Lynch, you know, he his favorite running
Speaker 1: back growing up Geis was Reggie Bush. But then when
Speaker 1: he started to watch more tape, he realized, Hey, Marshawn Lynch,
Speaker 1: that's how I run. I'm like him, and so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know he's really I mean, he understands that he's
Speaker 1: an angry runner, and he feeds off of that. He
Speaker 1: celebrates that. That's gonna be Okay. So I think it's
Speaker 1: universally agreed upon that se Quon Barkley is going by eight.
Speaker 1: By he's he's gone by pick eight at the absolute latest,
Speaker 1: give or take. Yeah, I'd say seven, okay, top ten, yeah,
Speaker 1: would you agree every the opinions of everybody else on
Speaker 1: the rest of these upper tier running backs is like,
Speaker 1: I can't come to a consensus at all. Some people,
Speaker 1: I mean, some people think Darius Guys is a top
Speaker 1: twenty pick. Some people think he's the second round pick.
Speaker 1: I think you could say the same thing about Ronald Jones,
Speaker 1: um who else? I think Carrie on Johnson's and that
Speaker 1: mag Nick Chubb, who, to be fair, Nick Chubb put
Speaker 1: twenty nine up. He matched sa Quon on the bench,
Speaker 1: So you know, we need to give Chubbs some love
Speaker 1: as well. This is a running back class where it's
Speaker 1: you know, pick what you what you want at the
Speaker 1: running back position. You got like Nick Chubb is not flashy,
Speaker 1: but that lower body is so strong and he runs
Speaker 1: so balanced that he's going to break tackles. Uh, Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle's got a little bit of everything. And you know,
Speaker 1: we we love Ronald Jones and he came in at
Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds. He said today that by
Speaker 1: the Pro Day he wants to be two ten. I
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting because by the prode I mean
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna run at the Pro Day. And if
Speaker 1: he wants to be a higher weight, how that's going
Speaker 1: to affect the way he can work out. He also
Speaker 1: we talked about he wasn't asked to do much pass
Speaker 1: protection right at USC. He talked about the playbook at
Speaker 1: USC not having a lot of running back routes right
Speaker 1: that he was a checkdown option, but he wasn't asked
Speaker 1: to run a lot of rounds as part of that offense.
Speaker 1: So these running backs are really interesting. How you know,
Speaker 1: if I told you one running back goes in the
Speaker 1: first round, I don't think any of us would be
Speaker 1: too surprised. If I told you three go in the
Speaker 1: first round, we wouldn't really be surprised. So it is
Speaker 1: really an interesting class to see the pecking order and
Speaker 1: how they come off the board. You need to have
Speaker 1: some teams fall in love with a couple of these
Speaker 1: guys absolutely push us some players down to nineteen. David,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite. You know this is your favorite
Speaker 1: time and the show when I do this? What's that? Oh? God,
Speaker 1: the measurements daning you with me today? Let's hear him?
Speaker 1: All right? How about this one? Am I gonna run down?
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys thought, did anybody helped
Speaker 1: themselves or any surprises here? Quarterbacks? Josh Allen six four
Speaker 1: seven two thirty seven ten an eighth hand thirty three
Speaker 1: in a quarter talk scouting to me tennon an eighth hand.
Speaker 1: That's impressive, all right, you like that? Ten to eighth
Speaker 1: that's impressive. With Josh Allen, we we I think we
Speaker 1: had a good idea because we knew a senior Bowl measurement,
Speaker 1: so we had we had a good idea what he
Speaker 1: was gonna be. But some of these juniors, though, oh
Speaker 1: how about it? Get you in this one. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: ready for this one. What do you got Sam Darnell?
Speaker 1: H huh usc you know? Uh huh six O three
Speaker 1: three two twenty one nine and three eights on the
Speaker 1: hand thirty one thirty one arm and is the guy
Speaker 1: in a lot of fumbles and throughout his college career
Speaker 1: security there are you worried about? Okay? What was the
Speaker 1: hand size? Nine? Three is fine? I want at least nine,
Speaker 1: and preferably at least nine in a quarter coming out
Speaker 1: at nine yates, that's absolutely fine. I think his fumbles
Speaker 1: were more a carelessness issue than something that, you know,
Speaker 1: a hand sized issue, So those are solid numbers. Doesn't
Speaker 1: change my opinion of them at all. David Yep, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: my guy, My guy too. I'm with you on this one.
Speaker 1: Bill Polley, and this one's for you. Six zo two
Speaker 1: two to sixteen nine and a half hands thirty three
Speaker 1: and an eighth arm measured a little better you think
Speaker 1: two sixteen seem I mean, he's a mobile guy, but
Speaker 1: it's a little light, it is, and I don't think Look,
Speaker 1: we compare these five pounds lighter than Sam Darnold, who
Speaker 1: looks like a brick out, but two sixteen just sounds
Speaker 1: so small. We talk about weights, but body type matters. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about how a guy like Sam Darnold,
Speaker 1: how he's how many only five pounds five pounds two
Speaker 1: twenty one, but their body types are so different. Where
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's lean and that's just how he's built. Sam Darnold,
Speaker 1: he's a little secretary like running around out there, you know, right,
Speaker 1: So we can talk about how there's only five pounds difference,
Speaker 1: but their body types are much different, and that that's
Speaker 1: definitely a partist. Here's a different body type for you.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield six zero zero five two fifteen. I think
Speaker 1: all his two fifteens in his rear lower body, and
Speaker 1: that's good. He needs that. Yeah, he takes hits in college.
Speaker 1: He's gonna take hits in the NFL. He's an athletic
Speaker 1: guy though, Yeah, yeah, oh no doubt, yeah, part of
Speaker 1: his game. It's funny. Lamar Jackson, though, is one pound
Speaker 1: heavier than taller and only one pound heavier. Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking. You know, Baker Mayfield was like all
Speaker 1: anybody would talk about at the Senior Bowl because he
Speaker 1: was the guy. And that's I mean, I haven't even
Speaker 1: thought about him until right now because there's so many
Speaker 1: other guys here. Lamar Jackson two sixteen, I mean that's
Speaker 1: I still worry about the durability. He does not have
Speaker 1: a lot of body. I know he didn't get hurt
Speaker 1: or I shouldn't say that. He did not miss a
Speaker 1: start the last two years. I get that. But he's
Speaker 1: gonna be taking harder hits the NFL, and he's just
Speaker 1: you worry about it. This is surprising to me considering
Speaker 1: how much you loved Teddy Bridgewater. But he wasn't a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna run the ball. He had a different game.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're completely different quarter but different game. But this
Speaker 1: guy's not gonna run the ball all the time. He's
Speaker 1: kidding me, you know he You don't think Lamar Jackson's
Speaker 1: gonna run the ball a lot in the NFL, Then
Speaker 1: you're not drafting him in the first round. You're not
Speaker 1: drafting Lamar Jackson because he's a big time passer. You're
Speaker 1: drafting him because he's a big time athlete. You're draft
Speaker 1: to a passer. He I think he could pass, He's not.
Speaker 1: He can't. But it's the combination of the mobility and
Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson is not was not an athlete, if
Speaker 1: he ran a six second forty, you're not drafting him
Speaker 1: in the first round. You're not. You're wrong, And I
Speaker 1: don't believe you if you say, yeah no. The thing
Speaker 1: about him is, though, but you watch him make plays.
Speaker 1: He not only may I think he makes he makes
Speaker 1: places with he makes place with his arm, and he
Speaker 1: makes place to this, and he does. But when you
Speaker 1: get the most excited about him on tape, it's when
Speaker 1: he's running the ball. It's when he's using that athleticism
Speaker 1: or even just not even just like running, you know,
Speaker 1: past the line of scrimmage, but using his athleticism to
Speaker 1: buy himself more time. He's better athlete him or Watson Jackson.
Speaker 1: He's a better athlete. I mean that's not to say
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson wasn't a good athlete, but I mean we're
Speaker 1: talking about the right handed version of like vic. That's
Speaker 1: who Lamar Jackson can be. You know what, to me,
Speaker 1: I was there, I live that. I live that one.
Speaker 1: It's shock I live that one. It's shocking to me
Speaker 1: that there's debate that Lamar Jackson should go in the
Speaker 1: top like twenty year or so picks. I mean he
Speaker 1: should go higher than that. Honestly. It just takes a
Speaker 1: team that's willing to adjust their offense to you know,
Speaker 1: what his skill set is. And look, we did you
Speaker 1: warm up to Mahomes? Was on Mahomes pretty quick. Let's
Speaker 1: it's the top fifty guy real quick. Let's look at
Speaker 1: Watson and what he did in Houston. How they adjusted
Speaker 1: the offense Watson's strengths. And that's what a team is
Speaker 1: gonna have to do with Lamara Jackson. You yeah, what
Speaker 1: we're going in that the direction we're going now to
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said yesterday that the game is trickling up.
Speaker 1: You would just oh, it always is, yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: because high school and in college are a little more
Speaker 1: open minded to things. Absolutely, but you adjust your play
Speaker 1: calling to your personnel, and so it s so your
Speaker 1: quarterback is if your quarterbacks Tom Brady, you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do a lot of RPOs. No, I
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna You're gonna adjust your play calling to
Speaker 1: fit what your what your personnel says is the strength
Speaker 1: of your team, what your quarterback is. And that's just
Speaker 1: how the NFL works. It's gonna be nice debates. And
Speaker 1: the last one, I don't mean to slide him here,
Speaker 1: but Josh Rosen six zo four oh seaking of slight yeah,
Speaker 1: six four two twenty six, ninety seven eights, hands, thirty
Speaker 1: one three quarters on and we're gonna hear always five
Speaker 1: pounds heavier than Darnald. But again, you look at the
Speaker 1: body types. He's got a slight build. Uh, that's just
Speaker 1: that's how he's built, and that that factors into the conversation.
Speaker 1: I keep saying that he's Matt Ryan. You do keep
Speaker 1: saying body type, He's Matt Ryan. Body type. Okay. In
Speaker 1: the way they throw the ball, Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you're you got something that hell of a flatter in comparison.
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was top three pick. Yeah, I know, he
Speaker 1: was MVP. Yeah. That means we gotta go for another
Speaker 1: day tomorrow. Yeah, Actually, gonna talk about some workouts tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You know, you're not excited to talk about the offensive
Speaker 1: line and what they're gonna run forty forty wives. But
Speaker 1: there'll be some guys have some decent times. We'll see hopefully,
Speaker 1: So get the ten yards split. Orlando Brown just don't
Speaker 1: be the worst athlete, right, over under five point four,
Speaker 1: going over now, going over there all right for my
Speaker 1: scouting buddies, Dame Burgood for David Helmer for Kick Garrison
Speaker 1: executive producer. I want to thank everybody out there for
Speaker 1: checking us out. We'll be back tomorrow, probably around the
Speaker 1: same time, but we'll be able to talk about a
Speaker 1: few more workouts. Have some running back workouts too we
Speaker 1: can visit with. That should be some fun. So on
Speaker 1: Marklin for Joyce in Jeff Show. We'll see tomorrow. H