WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ 2018 NFL Combine - Day 2 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:05.800 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft showy on 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.959 your war room for insider news and draft analysis from 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.239 deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rand. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:18.600 The Dallas Cowboys is elect and now your hosts, Dame Brugler, 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:23.000 David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.960 of the NFL Combine, the twenty eighteen version of the 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.800 NFL Combine here from the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis, Indiana. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:38.360 Brian brought us Dame Brugler, David Hellman, King Garrison, Executive Producing. Well, guys, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.000 John Dorsey told you today you can have the number 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.080 one pick of the draft if you like. Quekel Brown's 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.120 opened up to open up to trading for They said 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.839 that if they're open for business. No, I can't convince 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.160 you guys going up there again, you have everybody loves 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.520 the conversations we have when when you try to convince us, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.400 I try to give here, I why not go ahead 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:59.279 and going up to the number one. John Dorsey did 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.480 what our general manager should do, and that he makes 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.040 it known that the phone lines are open, but that 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.760 does not mean they're willing to deal by any means. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.160 You don't think no, I mean, you say it and 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.240 if someone blows you away, but someone's got to blow 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.640 you away, Okay, you guys, you guys can't come up 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.119 with something to blow them away. Four guards and oh 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.440 I'm trying. Yesterday we get discussion quarter No, no, I'm 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.040 trying to talk about we were talking about Zach Martin yesterday. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.120 I can't think of a worst draft to go up 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.160 to number one unless you need a quarterback. That's the 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:31.880 point I was trying to get you to say, right there, 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.040 David Helen, there you go, Yeah, thank you. I was 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.000 trying to go a little bit around about away about 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.039 saying this though, but you know, you know, and I 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.880 hate when you say it's a bad draft. I hate 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.280 when people say that though. It's not a bad draft. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.000 It's not a bad drap. No, it's just the we 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.240 don't have a lot of blue chippers. It's a bad fund, 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.760 that's what you know. But we're learning that today about 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.160 some guys. Today was really the first day that tomorrow 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.720 the on the field stuff will happen. The actual physical testing, uh, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.720 you know with the forties and the shuttles and all 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.600 those things. You'll see that tomorrow on the various platforms 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.280 in NFL network, I believe has that for you coverage, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.960 so you can take care of that. But today we 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:14.079 did see the bench press stuff. And what was interesting 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.760 today is the guys that we kind of thought about, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.400 the guys that we've talked the most about, the Quinton 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.480 Nelson's of the world and stuff like that. Barkley, you know, 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:30.359 Sequon Barkley. Yeah, it's it's like those guys we say, oh, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.080 not a lot of not a lot of spice, you know, 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.320 through this thing in the top. But it seems like 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:41.519 the guys that people are looking at studying hard, those 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.840 guys are kind of rising to the occasion. One thing 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.960 to say about the bench press that needs to be said, Uh, 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.280 while yes it does measure strength, a lot of teams 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:56.200 use it more as a way to gauge a player's 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.080 work ethic. How much do they push themselves in the 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.639 weight room. I think that that's more of a reflective 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.160 than just you know, because a guy could be strong 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:11.320 on the field and that doesn't necessarily translate the weight room. Right, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.480 So I think what the bench press does here is 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.240 show teams, Okay, what guys really pushed themselves in the 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:20.040 weight room. Uh, they maxed themselves out. And you know 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.160 we saw today a guy we expected to Will Hernandez 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.320 put up thirty seven reps on the bench, which is 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.160 the most so far, and sae Quon Barkley at twenty nine. Yeah, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.720 I've said it. I think I've done so many interviews 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.720 around here, and every single interview I've said, they're going 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.320 to rename this place after sae Quon Barkley after he's 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.720 done with it. Two hundred and thirty three pounds put 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.920 up the bench twenty nine times, and once we get 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.360 to the athletic testing tomorrow, he's gonna blow that up 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.160 as well. Only five offensive lineman had better numbers on 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:52.160 the bench press than uh, Saquon Barkley did. Silly, that's 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.040 just that's saying something just how much he works at 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.560 it and of course how powerful he is. You surprised 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.560 at all. I mean, okay, if you talk about work 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.320 ethic and all that, and I'm a guy that's come 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:03.960 on this show, and I know it's a down the 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.000 line guy, but a guy that you talked very highly. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.680 You know, Smith the guard from Braydon, Smith from Auburn, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.200 and I you know, if you when you like you 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.440 talked about I see a guy that plays weak on tape, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:22.919 but then you get yeah, yeah, you see second behind 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.479 see so all of a sudden, now you talk about 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.640 work ethic and all that, I didn't see a guy 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.720 that played that strong. So to me, that's that's one 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.359 of those things where you know, a guy, in my eyes, 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.160 helped himself a little bit there if you're looking for 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.560 that down the line type of guy. You know, all 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.799 was saying like, I doesn't play strong. Well the tape 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.200 tape shows that at a time, but at least in 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:45.720 the back of my mind, I'm thinking like, well, he 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.960 didn't come here and do ten reps. Yeah, yeah, you know, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.480 it was something like okay, maybe he's had a little 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.440 concerned and you know, I think a lot of people today, 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.400 if you want to talk about it was not only 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.760 some work, you know, prove it work wise, but how 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.719 about prove it you know? In words with Penny the 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.960 running back from yeah, from Sanao State, and he admitted 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.279 that he's a poor pass blocker. Now, I mean that's 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.720 really the main question with him. Yeah, what what you know, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.279 what the what are the questions about all these guys? 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.920 You know, And that's what The combine is so great 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.440 because it kind of gives you a little bit of 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.360 an idea, you know. He he Penny knows what he 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.000 has to work on well. And I love his response 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.520 about pass protection is he said he's not going to 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.680 hide from it. He understands that's a weakness right now, 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.040 and he said, I'm not ashamed to admit my flaws, 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.440 and so he understands that's and that's key because all 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.880 these players have something wrong. I mean, all these players 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.480 have weaknesses, but the smart ones recognize it and they're 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.560 willing to work at it. It's not everyone does. It's 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.960 the scouts job to have an idea what those weaknesses 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.360 might be and see if those guys are willing to 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.480 do what it takes to correct him. And it's the 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.400 job of the player to self scout and understand, Okay, 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.960 what do I need to work on? Uh? And I 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.640 think we're shy Penny. He understands he's not the best 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.640 pass protector and showed it on tape. We oh no, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.280 we documented that we love the player and absolutely get 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.280 to the pass protection reps on tape and you just 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.960 oh no, oh no, not again. Yeah, it just over 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.800 and over, Yeah, it makes like a great catch or 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.200 a great run, long run against somebody, and then all 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.600 of a sudden, you go, oh, wait, here's the pass 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.200 protection part. And he's two hundred and twenty pounds and 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:28.960 he's athletic, so I think he can do it. I 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.000 think he get better. But it makes me feel better 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.120 about him long term that he understands it and he 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:38.000 wants to work at it. I'm thinking about though as 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.680 you go forward here though, and again we get into 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.800 the workout part of it tomorrow, and we've kind of 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.600 documented some guys that didn't need to have some good days. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.640 But I'll talk about a guy that didn't bench today, 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.880 was Win like Georgia Guard Isaiah Win. And now all 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.760 of a sudden you're like, okay, why did he not bench? Well, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.000 he had some shoulders. He had the shoulder surgery rapped 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.040 the Senior Bowl, so okay. After the Senior yeah he was. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.280 He practiced all Senior Bowl week with it, so um 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.119 my god, he'll yeah, he's a bomb players man. He'll 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.680 he'll lift at the Pro Day and you know, all 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.880 will be fine. I speaking of, you know, injuries and stuff. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.320 Billy Price. Billy Price one of the top centers in 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.240 his draft, probably the second best center in the in 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.440 the draft. It'll probably be number one for some teams 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.560 at center. You know, take Daniels, you're a fool. This 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.560 is a guy who has shorter arms, thirty two inch arms. Yeah, 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.280 Billy belly to belly blocker. That's what he is. Let's school. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.320 Plus he's very strong, so I think he would have 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.040 hit forty on the bench press today. But after three 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.040 reps he kind of flinched a little bit, came back down. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:51.040 They took the bar off him, motioned to his left shoulders, 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.040 rubbed it a little bit and said, no, I'm done. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.120 And so we're waiting word on what the know, the 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.640 severity of the injury. Is it something that we have 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.080 to worry about long term. I don't think it was 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.080 a terror. I'm no doctor. I don't know what I'm 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.880 talking about. I don't think it was a terror though, 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.880 just based on his reaction. If there's a tear, I 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.520 think we'd hear some serious screaming going exactly. I think 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.360 it was more of just a tweak, a sprain, something 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.040 that hopefully strain. Hopefully hopefully he's still able to work out, 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.720 you know, this week, but just something to note with 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.320 Billy Price, a very good player, a chance to be 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.600 a first round pick who unfortunately the bench press uh 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.400 did not go so well for him. You know, it's 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:30.960 just kind of going through your and you're right, it's 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.760 unfortunate that that that that that did that did happen, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.120 because again, you want to you didn't want an these 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.120 kids to get injured. That's really the last thing that 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.600 you want to have happened. I mean, you want them 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:43.880 to come to the combine and be able to show 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.280 you know, what they're you know, and you like the 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.240 fact that they're going to compete, you know, I mean 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:54.040 the talent that right, It sucks when somebody gets hurt 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.000 doing Can can I talk about these offensive lineman and 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.040 I and I brought up Daniels, James Daniels. Can we 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:07.200 talk about him as a potential pick at nineteen? Again 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.000 it's a guard I'm just right. But if you don't like, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.840 if you don't want to take win, if you don't 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.360 want to take Win, and you don't want to take Hernandez, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.080 and do you does James Daniel should he be in 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:23.760 that mix? So you know, Jason, excuse me, Stephen Jones said, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.559 you know, hey, if it's a potentially as Zach Martin 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.560 kind of you know this this guy to me, yeah, 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.240 this that does make sense. This guy's the best center 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.080 in the draft, though, But would you play him at 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.960 could you play him at guard? And feel and feel 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.960 very comfortable about that at nineteen If he's the best 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.000 center in the draft, I'd used to me, I would 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.240 like to believe that he could do that, then Yes, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.240 it's extra appealing to me because you're probably gonna need 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.679 a backup center anyway. I don't think Joe Looney's long 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.040 for the Cowboys. I think he could probably get I 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.680 think he could probably get a starting gig somewhere instead 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.280 of sitting behind Travis friend Rick. So a guy with 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.600 the flexibility to do that, who could start a guard 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.840 for you and be, you know, an immediate upgrade over 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.040 what you had. Absolutely, I'm just trying to get more 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.720 options now nineteen and that I was going to say 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.920 too is I'm just and And it's still early, even 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.920 even at the combine at this point we've done like 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.520 twenty of these shows. It's still early. But I'm just 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.240 starting to get this feeling like it ain't gonna be 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.640 as Alignment one technique. No, we're I'm getting this feeling 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.040 like we're not going to be in love with our 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.040 options at nineteen. That's what I'm starting to keep talking 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.079 to you guys about moving up. That's felt that way. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.440 Last year we had a great deal and well last 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.120 year it's almost expected at twenty eight. Last year we're like, oh, 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.400 if we were just picking nineteen, we'll get we'll have Tack, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.000 we'll have Charles Harris, you know. But now we're at nineteen, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.079 and it's like, I'm just I'm not in love with 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:49.760 what it looks like our options are. Let me ask 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.640 you this, though, do you think the Cowboys and I go? 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.760 This is This is always one of those great dinner 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.120 conversations we have last you know, like last night, you 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.839 know Stephen Thomas song with us joining us, and you know, 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.400 we have these conversations all the time about a dinner 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.840 about hey, do you stay there, do you move? Do 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.280 you go back? Do you I mean, there's so many 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.840 arguments about going up going back, but again you kind 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.839 of just put you know, you kind of said it. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.959 You don't feel great about potentially your options. But see, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.599 first of all, we're not in control of whether or 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.880 not they trade up or down anyway, that's gonna be 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.240 the board and your willingness to give up your assets. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.440 But what we can do is turn over every stone 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.520 to try to come up with some stuff we let 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.560 And that's, you know, a similar conversation something you know 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.880 we haven't touched on the receivers. Oh, I was about 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.200 to go to that D about the DJ bore for you. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.280 Our campaign, our guy DJ Moore comes in its six 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.920 foot today, which is two inches taller than that. You 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.319 had to take that scout across the street that measured 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.719 that and take him to take him saint almost for 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.680 a steak. Seriously, he helped him there, helped him. Maryland 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.280 listed him at five eleven. Yeah, so it's not like 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.000 which honestly, that's shocking to me because college is loved 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.960 to lie about their prospects and my guess is that 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.800 they measured him as a freshman and then they probably 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.319 just didn't enough to date the last three years because 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.760 he was a junior. It left early. But yeah, him 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.040 coming in at six foot, that's that's a huge win 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.120 for DJ. Oh well yeah, okay, yeah, we were the 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.840 height way we had coming in five o nine six, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.120 two fifteen so he comes in two inches taller. My 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.280 first draft forward a month ago had him these guys cheering. 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.439 By the way, he's the exact same height as everybody's 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.680 darling Calvin Ridley. I didn't throw that out there. Ridley's 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.240 a half inch taller, but yeah, same whatever, six foot 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.040 I whoever said at first I didn't believe him. I 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.120 don't remember it was me. I looked over again and 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.760 I dj Moore. I was like, I don't believe you 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.240 said to look for myself, and they're sure, what do 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.440 you know? Six foot? And that's kind of you know, 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.400 you know, I always use of it like I think 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.480 of it like the old style fishing nets, like you 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.720 throw a net out. I'm trying to cast my net 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.560 over as many prospects. Oh, you said you're driving the train, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.000 and I'm okay with that with you driving the train. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.439 And if I don't love my options at nineteen, like 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:08.160 Derwin James isn't realistic, Roquan Smith might not really be realistic. Um, 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.960 Calvin Ridley may be gone. So you look around and 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.640 you're like, well, how can I make this more palatable? 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.360 James Daniels, you could talk me into that. If you're 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.800 telling me, I'm getting the best center, maybe one of 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.440 the potentially a really good guard at nineteen. If you're 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.400 telling me maybe DJ Moore is not a reach at nineteen, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.480 I'm listening. I'm looking for reasons to be excited about 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.880 my options. That's how I approach it. At least. Would 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.600 you be okay with DJ Moore at nineteen? I would, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.200 I really would, because I got him in the first round. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.200 What I've got him and Ridley right there in the 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.080 first round. I had no problem with that. What made 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.599 you think not before? Like I mean, why weren't you 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.439 comfortable with him? A part of that, I'll tell you what. 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.720 I don't think it was so much the height is 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.840 It was the fact that I'm thinking, again, now, what 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.280 are my options? Right? What are my what are my 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.200 legitimate And you know, the more we do this, the 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.240 more and it's not talking to people, it's the more tape. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.320 And the great advantage that Dane has, and this is 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.840 why Dane's so good at his job is he'll start 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.520 looking at these guys in May, and you and I 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.800 will start looking at him in December, and all of 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.520 a sudden we've got to catch up. It will never 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.400 completely catch up. To Dane, but he's got an idea 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.720 of who's on that board. So he when he when 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.080 he makes a thought or gives you a thought, and 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.840 it's always it's a good thought. It's like, okay, well 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.680 then who else is on the board? Now, now we're 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.640 starting to see who else could be on that board. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.640 I think you hit the nail on the head with like, Okay, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.400 I'm not so sure my options are gonna be so great? Yeah, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.240 you know, and does djo you give me a guy 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.560 that's a spectacular player down the field, making plays a 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.720 lot of different offense, a lot of different coaches, a 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.600 lot of different quarterbacks, it still has the success he has? Yeah? 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.520 Why not? And why not? You know? I'm sure somebody 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:52.960 at home is thinking this too. It's like, well, you 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.280 could trade back and get him, it's a better value. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.960 What scenario is making that possible as a quarterback? Falling 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.600 to me? Does somebody just desperately want somebody else is 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.040 going to trade up and do that? I I don't know. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.040 If I go back, I go back to Dane's first 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.120 mock draft and how we've looked at that and that 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.720 thing got just wiped out as we went along and 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.840 all of a sudden, you start doing more work on it. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:22.880 You're thinking like, okay, Hurst, Oh, okay, I could I'm 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.680 okay with that. But then you start thinking, wait a minute, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.800 Hurst or DJ Moore, Hurst or you know you know 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.240 what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean there's other guys that 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.680 I feel like that you would you would feel better about. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.880 And again, we can't eliminate Vita Vea and you know, 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.040 if he was there, because he's got we talked about that, 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.840 the traits about him. But at nineteen, I think what 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.400 we're trying to educate people on is keep an open 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.960 mind here, keep a really big open money. I'm glad 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.360 you mentioned James Daniels because we talked about, Oh, he's 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.360 in the mix now. For me, I made my point 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.880 clear about how you've been very been very clear. You've 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:07.080 been very clear. I think it just generically, I think 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.480 James Daniels is not a reach at the nineteenth pick um. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.600 I think he's one of the top twenty five players 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.160 in this draft, the top offensive lineman, Quittin Nelson, Isaiah 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.640 Wynn and then Daniels. Okay, And let's also say that 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.480 when today in the interviews, said that he had met 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.680 with the Cowboys. Right so again you called the Cowboys 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.640 offensive line nasty? Yeah, so say yeah, so that right 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.440 there is you know the combine. You know, these players, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:34.960 they do a great job of You know, when you 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.720 interview him, a lot of these kids will tell you, hey, 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.160 I visited with the Rams, the Raiders, the Cowboys. You know, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.480 they'll name off and it seems like they can't remember 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.000 all the teams. But I found that they remember the 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.000 Cowboys a lot. The Cowboys is always a team that 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.520 is mentioned. So kind of keep an eye on these 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.560 top players and see what they're mentioned. Matter believe I'm 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.320 gonna go find DJ Moore and ask them about the Cowboys. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.600 Oh sure, you all get our chance tomorrow. Sure and 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.520 with Annuals, Yes, he's the draftstop center. As a freshman, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.200 he actually started two games at guard, so he has 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.560 that experience. And actually went back and watched him tape 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.720 from his freshman year. Because of injury, he came in 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.399 and he played right tackle a little bit. Sure is 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.800 has experienced at other positions. He's not a center only 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.040 you know Billy Price. Yes, he has experienced at guard, 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.680 but you feel better about him at center. Daniels. I 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.920 think he has a little more versatility to play any 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.560 of the three interior positions and play it at a 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:35.480 high level. So would you feel better about for the Cowboys? 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:40.760 For the Cowboys Hurst or Dj Moore? I know, okay, 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.200 say Ridley's out of the equation. Say the Ravens take 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.080 Ridley at sixteen. As much as I love DJ Moore, 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.040 I have Hirst rate to higher on my board. So 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.840 I would go with the defensive tackle the three technique 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.280 right me. Personally, I think the way he can impact 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.400 the pocket, he can get it off the offense off 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.920 schedule with that initial burst that he offers. I don't 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.840 think he's that much of a liability versus to run 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.959 where it's not two eighty eight. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.040 I mean he's not. He looks light, but he's not. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.199 I mean he doesn't play light. No, he doesn't. And 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.000 I don't know two eighty eight to ninety. That doesn't 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.040 bother me at all. I don't care about that. Just 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:16.960 give me the one gap up the field guy, exactly, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.600 Get a guy. Give me a guy who can penetrate 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.600 and really affect what's going on in the backfield, and 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.240 Maurice Hurst can do that. We don't know, boy, he's 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.240 disgusted with what you I'm not disgusted. No, I'm not disgusted. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.280 I wouldn't hate. I wouldn't hate Hurst as a pick. 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:34.720 But these, but these, this line already has guys who 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.280 can penetrate, who are more of a liability. He'll argue more, 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.440 too many guys I can do that. You're right, You're right, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.679 he'll argue with you. They got too many offensive lineman 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.960 though too. I wouldn't. I wouldn't hate the pick because 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.320 at the end of the day, you want to affect 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.000 the passer. But this team got bullied against the run 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.320 a little bit last year. And we were talking today 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.600 about we already know how they feel about true nose tackles, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.000 but like, what if what if you could get a 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.920 guy who takes people, gets people off of Sean Lee 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.680 and Jalen Smith's Yeah, how nice would that be? How much? 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.920 Again we were talking about we were talking about Dion 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.880 Jones in Atlanta's and who plays in front of him? 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.280 And by the way, let me ask you this because 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.800 this was a lunchtime conversation we had over smoked wings 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:17.760 kind of love to eat. By the way, if you 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.480 haven't noticed, I'm still full from last night, no doubt. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.280 Would you could? Would you play Roquan Smith at Mike 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.920 linebacker like you would with Dion Jones in Atlanta? Yes, 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.640 there is not a linebacker position that Roquan Smith cannot play, 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.840 thank you, Dane. So he's not just strict will to you. No, 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.400 he's not. This isn't two thousand and four, Brian Urlocker, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.639 you know, Yeah, I mean small guys can play. No, 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.040 he's not that thumper who's just going to be able 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:49.760 to attack the line and you know, bench press offensive 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.520 lineman off his frame, get clean. I mean he's not that, 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.240 but he can still his speed in the ability, his 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.880