WEBVTT - Hour 1 - Chris Mannix (06-15-20) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.480 You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.600 Sports Radio. I hope you had a great weekend. Everybody 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:09.119 gangs all here ready to go. On this Monday hour one, 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.360 Dan and the Dan x Dan Patrick Show get an 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.400 update on the NBA season that seems to have a 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.720 little more doubt in it than it did say a 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.040 week ago. Chris Mannix from Sports Illustrated will stop by. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.160 Mike Florio from NBC Sports Pro Football Talk will join 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.560 us a little bit later on as well. A couple 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.160 of ways to get in touch with the program, as 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.320 we always do every Monday. 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Cal Ripken also had a little bit of 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.440 a say in helping bring back the sport with his 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.399 consecutive game streak. But you have McGuire and Sosa at 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.960 the center of one of the biggest cheating scandals in 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.280 sports history, and here we are with more labor problems. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.679 We have a league wide scandal that's still hanging around, 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.319 and over the weekend it was revealed that a judge 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.399 ordered a twenty seventeen letter from Major League Baseball to 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:32.119 the Yankees to be unsealed. The content is reportedly about 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.000 sign stealing, and the Astros, of course, have been the 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.560 poster children of sign stealing, much like McGuire and Sosa 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.800 were for the steroid era, at least at first, and 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.320 then you had Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds who joined them. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.040 But maybe the Yankees are the next chapter here in 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.160 signs stealing. They'll accompany the Red Sox and the Astros. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.800 Maybe the letter's not that juicy at all, maybe it'll 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.240 blow over, But with the Yankees, everything is bigger, and 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.240 no matter what they do or didn't do, it's going 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.360 to be a big story to some. Then once again 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:09.280 we have labor problems and a scandal. Again, nothing new 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.440 from Major League Baseball. If you tuned in to watch 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.000 the McGuire's social documentary and you were expecting something more 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.720 than just a trip down memory lane, then you were 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:24.160 probably disappointed. Also, this comes not too far removed from 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:28.000 the Jordan documentary, which is now redefined what documentaries should 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.799 be all about. But they had so much archival footage. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.639 You have over five hundred hours of video that the 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.120 NBA shot with Jordan and the Bulls that year, and 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.080 they didn't even know if they were ever going to 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.400 use it. We didn't have that luxury. Baseball didn't have 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.359 that luxury. The Cardinals and Cubs didn't have that luxury. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.880 There was nothing that was salacious that we now look 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.680 back on and go, oh, I didn't know that. You know, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.000 I was doing Sports Center at the time. I was 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.040 friends with McGuire at the time. We had a little 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.560 bit of a falling out. We've since renewed our friendship. 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.480 I guess if you want to call it that I 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.600 liked him, I did not know that he was using 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.560 steroids at the time. I was naive at the time, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.639 because when you're around him and Sammy, you're thinking these 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:20.080 are good guys, and we bought into the story. I 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.519 think we all just said, you know what, I don't 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.679 care that. I'm just looking at this for the baseball 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.480 part of it. And you know what, the deeper I 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.040 got into this business, the more you see, the more 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.359 you hear, and then the less you like what you're 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.600 seeing on the field because there's things attached to it, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.920 and it is a job because now you're looking at 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.280 things differently. You know, you don't just celebrate, You sort 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.520 of celebrate and you go, I don't know, is he clean? 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.520 Like I hate feeling that way. I wasn't cynical back then. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.200 Now I'm cynical and it's not a good feeling to have. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.560 But that's the odd that I signed up for. And 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.800 back then I was just watching. I used to go 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:10.320 to Chicago on weekends when I wasn't working to watch 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.920 this home run Chase, to go to games at Wrigley 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.240 to see Sammy, and at the time, people in nineteen 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.839 ninety eight would ask the following question. In Chicago. It 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.520 wasn't did the Cubs win? It was did Sammy Homer? 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.720 That's how that's how the conversation started. I said, oh, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.240 you went to the game. Oh did Sammy homer? And 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.279 then it was did the Cubs win? That's how important 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:40.320 Sammy was and McGuire was. This was breaking news, whether 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.200 it was on radio or it was on TV. And 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.560 I'm talking about the news when Sosa McGuire got closer 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.080 and closer, when they got over sixty home runs. Now, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.120 all of a sudden, you had these news updates on 0:04:54.279 --> 0:05:00.400 Sosa and McGuire and the personality, the friendship seemed genuine. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.039 And look looking back on that, and I remember seeing 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.560 a bottle of Androwstein Dione in Mark's locker and at 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.719 the time we thought, Okay, that's what he's taking. You 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.080 can buy it at GNC. And then you come to 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.640 learn more and more about what was going on, and 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:21.840 I guess looking at it, I thought, am I going 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.000 to just take a trip down memory lane and go, oh, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.680 yeah I remember that, or yeah I was at that game, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.520 or because that's really what it is. There's a little 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.719 bit about steroids in there, a little bit about Roger Morris. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:39.680 But I wanted something. I wanted something just a little more. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.320 And I know it would have been too much to 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.359 ask because you're not going to get McGuire and Sosa 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.760 certainly not Sammy to sit down and go, hey, this 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.479 is what I took, because if I'm them, I wouldn't 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:55.800 do that. And it's only one it's one weekend, it's 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.520 one night. We got two weekends with Lance Armstrong, we 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.040 got in with Jordan. This one felt like it needed 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.039 a little bit more, almost a follow up that says, now, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.599 let's explore what was happening at the time. But you 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.760 know what, the fact that it was now and you're 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.599 following the you know the Jordan, you know platform here, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.960 you were you know, you were going to disappoint people. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.600 If this is last year and they put this out, 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.640 we'd probably go, Okay, that's enjoyable. Hey that was a 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:32.480 great time. Hey they brought baseball back. We need something 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.800 like that now. Although I started to think about that, 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.799 who's bringing us back? There's no ripk In here, there's 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:45.600 no Jeter here, there's no McGuire Sosa here. Who's bringing 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:50.040 us back? Because baseball might be coming back, that doesn't 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:55.719 mean the fans are coming back. So just watching that 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.839 and thought I would get a little bit more out 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.480 of it, And I don't even know what I was 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.159 hoping for, because there was not going to be an apiphany. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:09.080 Sammy Sosa has never acknowledged anything McGuire has, and you know, 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.400 he said, hey, I wish I never did it, and 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.120 we'd love to say the following. And I always caution 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.400 people when they say this. You know what, when he 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.360 was clean, he dot dot dot Okay, I don't know 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.880 when somebody was clean. I have no idea. McGuire was 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.920 unbelievable as rookie year. Sammy, Sammy was just a toothpick 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.280 and you could see Sammy was really nobody, and then 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:38.440 all of a sudden, Sammy became somebody and McGuire. McGuire 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.320 had pedigree here. I mean, he was good in college, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:47.040 but he got nicked up, got injured, and you know, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.680 then all of a sudden he reinvented himself when he 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.080 got to Saint Louis, reinvented himself. And then you had Bonds, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.600 you know, Bonds, And the story goes, and I've told 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.960 it before, and because they were there was a group 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.920 of guys and they were in Orlando, outside of Orlando, 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:09.600 and I remember being told that Bonds was there and 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.520 a few other people, and Bonds said, basically, you know 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.160 that's Bs that you know America has fallen in love 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:20.240 with Socia McGuire, watch what I can do. And he 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.160 basically said to the people in the room, Hey, you 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.720 think they're going on steroids, wait till you see what 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.680 I do on steroids. And the thing is he was 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.600 a better hitter than both of them. And you saw 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.160 if Barry Bonds used steroids longer than he did when 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.160 he was with San Francisco, he would probably have a 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.839 thousand home runs because he was so incredible. But we 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.040 get caught up in well, before he started using, he 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.800 was a Hall of Famer. That's not the way it works. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.560 It's it's, you know, the the entire collection of your 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.160 baseball career, all those years. You don't go, hey, can 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.400 we just cut it off right there? Can you put 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.000 me in the Hall of Fame right there? It doesn't 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:08.120 work that way. And McGuire and Sosa not going into 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.280 the Hall of Fame. I don't know if Bonds and 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:14.840 Clements ever get in there. But hey, before they started cheating, 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.320 it's like you know, when Raphael Palmio got popped. Hey, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.559 you know what before he tested positive? Oh, he just 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.240 started using at the end of his career. Okay, I 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:30.320 got it, but that was you Bonds and Clemens McGuire, Sosa. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.320 I don't know when they started, but I know what 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.600 the end result was. They put up some pretty incredible 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.679 numbers and they got paid a lot of money. Bonds 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.880 made more money with the Giants than he did his 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.480 entire career because he saw what these guys were making. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.240 And that's why you look at numbers. Now, these are 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:57.480 artificially inflated salaries based off of the steroid era. Now, 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.320 they built up these these salaries because hey, I'm going 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.880 to compare this season with Willy Mays or Hank Aaron, 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.600 Mickey Mannel and then all of a sudden, you, well, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.760 he's got to be worth this. And then they inflated 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.679 these salaries through steroids. And I know there was a 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.520 feel good moment with McGuire and Sosa and we all 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.960 got caught up in it. And I remember being in 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.520 Vegas with Mark McGuire and he was there for the 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.600 SP's and they couldn't do an ESPN couldn't do enough 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.960 for him. Whatever Mark McGuire wanted, he got Sportsman of 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.360 the Year was Sammy. They got their togas on It's 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:43.680 Sammy and Mark. But it was a wonderful moment. That 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:47.600 year a magical year. But you just start to look 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.199 back and you go, Okay, now what do I get 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.520 out of that? Tell me something, show me something, And 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.560 we never got that really on this date nineteen ninety eight. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:03.880 By the way, Sammy Sosa hit three home runs. Sammy 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:08.280 put up some pretty impressive numbers. But he looks good. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.719 Sammy looks good. He looks younger and younger every time 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.800 you see him. This program brought to you by Raycon. 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.840 Whether you're working from home or working on your fitness, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.760 you want to hear your music and you can do 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:25.360 this with a great wireless earbud. Raycon Wireless Earbuds the 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.640 way to go. Get fifteen percent off your Raycon order 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.160 at by Raycon dot com. Slash patrick. That's by Raycon 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.680 dot com slash patrick. All right, mclove, and you got 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.760 a pull question for me today. So last week we 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.719 did which comes back first? The NBA or MLB and 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.480 MBA one. I just want to make sure that, uh 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.160 we're still this, uh the same spot MBA one fifty five. 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.040 I'm curious, do you have any idea now? Is MBYA 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.440 gonna be slowed down that's my question. Well, we're gonna 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.280 talk to Chris Mannox about it because I'm just not sure, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.720 you know, Kyrie Irving said. And I brought this up 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.320 even before Kyrie spoke up at the player's conference call 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:09.480 that it felt like, Hey, everybody's going to Orlando. We're 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.320 gonna play these games, eight regular season games, then we 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:13.800 go into the plaffs and then we're gonna get done, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.880 and then we're gonna finish up. And then here we 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.319 go late July, we're gonna start and now all of 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.640 a sudden, it gets closer and closer, and then you go, oh, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.080 wait a minute, I gotta wait. How long I'm quarantine? 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.079 I can't can I bring my family, I can't get 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.240 off the island here, I'm in the bubble for And 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.280 that's the feeling I got. All of a sudden, the 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.360 walls started to close in on these players and they're like, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.880 oh man, that's right, this is real. And then Kyrie 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.840 Irving said, why don't we just scrap the season? Why 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:48.200 don't we use this opportunity for social reform activism? And 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.320 I know the way I look at with Kyrie Irving 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.160 is I don't want to shoot the messenger. I want 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.920 to listen to the message here. I may not always 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.280 agree with Kyrie Irving, but I'm going to listen to 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.080 the message. If somebody else delivers this message, I think 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:07.400 we take it differently. With Kyrie, he's injured, so he's 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.840 not even factoring in in this. And then he's saying, 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.040 you know, hey, why don't we use this? We'll never 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.840 have this platform again, and then Lebron James is saying, no, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.719 we can still do that. Patrick Beverley, who he and 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.960 Lebron have their moments on the floor, he said in 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:28.480 a tweet, hoopers, say what all you want? If King 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:35.120 James said we're hooping, we're hooping, not personal only business. Kyrie, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.840 Dwight Howard, c J McCollum. They have questioned is now 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.560 the time? Is this the right time to go to 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.480 Orlando in play, saying it would stall the momentum of 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.400 Black Lives Matter? And you know, Lebron has been the 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.760 one to say, no, let's go back. And that's what 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.640 I would want to know. If you're going to go back, 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:59.040 what is your plan here? Like what's Kyrie's plan? Which 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.760 I don't know. So we have this moment with you, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.600 this social platform. What are you going to do and 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.000 how is it that you can't use what's going on 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.880 in Orlando to help you with that platform? And I 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.160 don't know that, and that's what I would want to hear. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.400 It's one thing to say, hey, let's not go back 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.400 because it dilutes what we're doing right now out on 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:23.760 the streets. Okay, Lebron is probably saying, hey, why don't 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.400 we make sure that we draw even more attention to 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.640 this while we're playing, while we are in the headlines 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.440 here and this is you know, we got a month here, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.880 a month and a half before we're playing basketball. I 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.320 don't know what's going to be happening. Then our player 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.880 is going to take a knee prior to the anthem 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.680 when they're playing basketball games. So I'm not quite sure. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.000 But we'll talk to Mannix about this of where we 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.720 are now as to you know, where we were, and 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.120 it felt like, hey, the NBA has got it all 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:58.040 buttoned up, And frankly, I was shocked when I realized 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.920 Adam Silver it seemed like everybody was on the same page. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.160 And then you're looking going, wow, how did they miss 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.600 out on this? Where all of a sudden, people and 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.200 this is before Kyrie where you had people saying, you know, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:12.680 on second thought, I don't know if I want to 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.960 go to Orlando. I don't know if I want to 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.800 be quarantined for that amount of time. What else do 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.280 you have? Mclovin, Okay, I have a couple of topics. 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.920 McGuire Sosa, a college football player, or this weekend's golf. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.360 I have three poles. Which one would you like to 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.280 squeeze in first? I'll get to golf in a moment. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.720 Give me the McGuire's Sosa. Since we're on that topic, 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.520 I think actually it might be worth putting up the poll. 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.560 Did it bother you? The McGuire's Sosa documentary went lightly 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.760 on PDS yes or no? Because they bothered me. I 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.960 was like, halfway through, I'm like, does this guy know 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.440 that they were juicing? Because the way they presented it, 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.680 they didn't introduce the topic. I'm sure. I'm sure the 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:57.200 producer knew that they were choicing back then. Yes, Oh, 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.400 watching that, you didn't well, yes, you didn't really get 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.240 that impression watching that last night, I don't know if 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.240 he was. Here's my gut feeling, and I have no idea. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.920 I have nobody at the Mothership who would tell me? 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.840 But were they going to get McGuire and Sosa to 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.280 sit down? If steroids were going to be the topic, 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.960 you wouldn't get Sammy to sit down. You're not going 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:24.120 to McGuire. You might, but I'm guessing they probably said, hey, 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.000 I mean, if I'm McGuire, I'd say, well, how much 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.680 are we touching on, you know, steroids here? And if 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.200 they said, oh, just a little bit, then you know, 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.560 if you say, just celebrate what we did, can we 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.680 do that? You know? But I don't want this whole 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.200 thing to be about steroids. Yeah, I'm a club. There's 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.200 one throwaway ly where a Cubbs employee said, oh man, 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.400 we were so proud of Sammy started eating salads and 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.760 lifting a lot in the offseason, And I was like, 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.240 is this a mockumentary? Like why would you include that quota? 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.680 Are you insane? Yeah? Paul, To defend the director a 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.800 little bit, the documentary is supposed to tell about a 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.800 period in time in his story Oracle in the right 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.199 chronological order. If he would have led the entire documentary 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.159 with steroid steroid steroids, that wasn't what happened that summer. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.600 He was showing you what actually happened that summer, and 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.560 if the media was naive and the other people are naive, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.280 he showed you that as well. Nobody was questioning these 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.320 guys day to day, and that's what he showed. He 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.280 showed the actual what happened that summer and leading up 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.160 to ninety eight. Yeah, soon, I think I had more 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.439 of an issue with it, and maybe it's because of 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.440 the ones leading into it, where we had a ten 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.200 part series on Michael Jordan. Then we had a two 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.679 part series on Lance Armstrong that I thought was actually 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.960 going to be longer and was waiting the next Sunday. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.639 I was just like, Oh, the Bruce leveland when are 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.600 they doing the rest of the Lance one? I thought 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.360 that was going to be longer, and now this one, 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.560 I thought like, well, was this like the trailer for 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.359 this because clearly there has to be more episodes of 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.960 this one and that's it they'd end. So I think 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.440 my problem with it more is that they did. They 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.879 did put into context what that summer was like, and 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.080 they did a fantastic job with that, But you can't 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.800 just ignore or give five minutes to that. You know, 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.479 Black Cloud, that dark cloud that's followed it for the 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.840 rest of time. You know, they to just give it 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.640 five minutes at the end of like, oh, by the way, 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.520 and then here's what happened. I felt a little rush. Yeah. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.440 I think that they just wanted to say, here's a 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.560 feel good thirty for thirty. Let's go back in time 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.879 to let you understand if you weren't old enough to understand, 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:27.080 because you know, you had Jordan. So Jordan is the 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.879 same year, right, So you have Jordan and you have baseball. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.720 You go out of Jordan where Jordan hits the shot, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.640 you got the last dance, and now you go into 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.199 McGuire and Sosa to take you into the fall. And 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.119 it was a pretty great moment in sports. But you know, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.920 the problem was, you know what we had with Jordan, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.520 we had so much and was you know, Socia McGuire, 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.479 we had very very little. There was nothing that was 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.159 in there that you go, oh, I didn't know that. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.680 I'd never seen that before. With Jordan, you had so 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.320 much in there, and that's what made it even great, 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.000 you know, it made it spectacular. Yeah. One of my 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:06.959 favorite parts about the documentary last night was when they 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.720 did about three minutes about Roger Marris of the Yankees 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:11.440 and what he went through is he was trying to 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.360 break Baby Rush single season record and that one day 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.720 people back, you shouldn't be baking Baby Rush record. You 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.560 have no business, You're not a true Yankee. Then he 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.119 would take a day off and they'd say, what are 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:21.880 you doing. You're trying to break this and you owe 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.880 it to the fans. And his son, Roger Marris Junior said, 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.320 my dad would have liked to have hit fifty nine 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.359 and not sixty one, and it haunted him more than 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.959 helped him. And that was that was emotional. Yeah. I 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.200 think the marriss part of this is interesting because they 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.040 were embracing, literally embracing Mark McGuire. Then all of a 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:44.800 sudden they realized what they were watching wasn't real. By 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.720 the way, yesterday the twenty second anniversary of Jordan's final 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.320 game that was Game six in Utah nineteen ninety. Guys 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.200 are killing this day in sports history. Man. Yeah, I know, 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.480 Oh sorry, that's right, yes, yes, McLevin, Okay, just to 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.040 take a step back here, not not leading the steroids. 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.080 He's like doing a story on the astros and say 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.520 how awesome Jose Altuve was for the first forty five 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.520 minutes and oh, by the way, they were banging the 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.960 drum like the story is steroids. The story isn't how 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.639 great they were. Even as amazing as it was, it 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.720 would be silly. Well, no, you can still do that documentary. 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.959 I think I think it's based on we wanted something good, 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.320 and I think we chose to not look closer. And 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.639 I think what the director producer and I don't know him, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.120 you know, it's just we're gonna go back and let 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.199 you understand how big this was. The magnitude of this was. 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.359 It just the problem is that you're going to compare 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.720 it to the Jordan documentary. And did I expect anything 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.959 out of this? No, I did not. I didn't expect 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:48.760 unless Sammy said, hey I did this, or I started 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.560 doing this. You know, I was around McGuire and I 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.520 can say with all of my heart, I think he 0:20:55.680 --> 0:21:00.360 got in and couldn't get out. I think he realized, hey, 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.520 I'm just a baseball player. Now I'm this sportsman of 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:08.400 the Year. Now I'm something larger than life. Sammy loved 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:13.239 it because Sammy never had any of this, And I 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.240 think McGuire got in and I don't know if Mark 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.760 had an exit plan, because when he got in front 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.440 of Congress, you realized he did not have an exit plan. Yeah. See, 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.520 well that was one thing that I think that they 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:26.320 did really great. It was one of It was such 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.280 a funny moment to me because it really showed you 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.879 who Sammy Sosa was at that time. But throughout the 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.160 whole thing, he's like, I'm good. I got no problems 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:34.720 with who I am or what I did. It's it's like, 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.000 go back to where I grew up from, you know, 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.639 go see where I came from and how I grew up. 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.520 And I was a shoeshine boy, and I had all 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:43.080 of this stuff, you know what I mean, Like I 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.920 grew up in a very poor area, and now tell 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.000 me that. You know, I'm going through this home run 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.480 race and I'm making money. And I would check every 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.359 night after the game. I'd get home and watch ESPN 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:53.800 to see if they were talking about me. That's what 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:55.800