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Speaker 1: credit for their timing. Last night for the mcguires Sosa
Speaker 1: documentary was called Long Gone Summer. It detailed how these
Speaker 1: two guys helped save baseball after the labor problems of
Speaker 1: the nineties. Cal Ripken also had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a say in helping bring back the sport with his
Speaker 1: consecutive game streak. But you have McGuire and Sosa at
Speaker 1: the center of one of the biggest cheating scandals in
Speaker 1: sports history, and here we are with more labor problems.
Speaker 1: We have a league wide scandal that's still hanging around,
Speaker 1: and over the weekend it was revealed that a judge
Speaker 1: ordered a twenty seventeen letter from Major League Baseball to
Speaker 1: the Yankees to be unsealed. The content is reportedly about
Speaker 1: sign stealing, and the Astros, of course, have been the
Speaker 1: poster children of sign stealing, much like McGuire and Sosa
Speaker 1: were for the steroid era, at least at first, and
Speaker 1: then you had Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds who joined them.
Speaker 1: But maybe the Yankees are the next chapter here in
Speaker 1: signs stealing. They'll accompany the Red Sox and the Astros.
Speaker 1: Maybe the letter's not that juicy at all, maybe it'll
Speaker 1: blow over, But with the Yankees, everything is bigger, and
Speaker 1: no matter what they do or didn't do, it's going
Speaker 1: to be a big story to some. Then once again
Speaker 1: we have labor problems and a scandal. Again, nothing new
Speaker 1: from Major League Baseball. If you tuned in to watch
Speaker 1: the McGuire's social documentary and you were expecting something more
Speaker 1: than just a trip down memory lane, then you were
Speaker 1: probably disappointed. Also, this comes not too far removed from
Speaker 1: the Jordan documentary, which is now redefined what documentaries should
Speaker 1: be all about. But they had so much archival footage.
Speaker 1: You have over five hundred hours of video that the
Speaker 1: NBA shot with Jordan and the Bulls that year, and
Speaker 1: they didn't even know if they were ever going to
Speaker 1: use it. We didn't have that luxury. Baseball didn't have
Speaker 1: that luxury. The Cardinals and Cubs didn't have that luxury.
Speaker 1: There was nothing that was salacious that we now look
Speaker 1: back on and go, oh, I didn't know that. You know,
Speaker 1: I was doing Sports Center at the time. I was
Speaker 1: friends with McGuire at the time. We had a little
Speaker 1: bit of a falling out. We've since renewed our friendship.
Speaker 1: I guess if you want to call it that I
Speaker 1: liked him, I did not know that he was using
Speaker 1: steroids at the time. I was naive at the time,
Speaker 1: because when you're around him and Sammy, you're thinking these
Speaker 1: are good guys, and we bought into the story. I
Speaker 1: think we all just said, you know what, I don't
Speaker 1: care that. I'm just looking at this for the baseball
Speaker 1: part of it. And you know what, the deeper I
Speaker 1: got into this business, the more you see, the more
Speaker 1: you hear, and then the less you like what you're
Speaker 1: seeing on the field because there's things attached to it,
Speaker 1: and it is a job because now you're looking at
Speaker 1: things differently. You know, you don't just celebrate, You sort
Speaker 1: of celebrate and you go, I don't know, is he clean?
Speaker 1: Like I hate feeling that way. I wasn't cynical back then.
Speaker 1: Now I'm cynical and it's not a good feeling to have.
Speaker 1: But that's the odd that I signed up for. And
Speaker 1: back then I was just watching. I used to go
Speaker 1: to Chicago on weekends when I wasn't working to watch
Speaker 1: this home run Chase, to go to games at Wrigley
Speaker 1: to see Sammy, and at the time, people in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight would ask the following question. In Chicago. It
Speaker 1: wasn't did the Cubs win? It was did Sammy Homer?
Speaker 1: That's how that's how the conversation started. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: you went to the game. Oh did Sammy homer? And
Speaker 1: then it was did the Cubs win? That's how important
Speaker 1: Sammy was and McGuire was. This was breaking news, whether
Speaker 1: it was on radio or it was on TV. And
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the news when Sosa McGuire got closer
Speaker 1: and closer, when they got over sixty home runs. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you had these news updates on
Speaker 1: Sosa and McGuire and the personality, the friendship seemed genuine.
Speaker 1: And look looking back on that, and I remember seeing
Speaker 1: a bottle of Androwstein Dione in Mark's locker and at
Speaker 1: the time we thought, Okay, that's what he's taking. You
Speaker 1: can buy it at GNC. And then you come to
Speaker 1: learn more and more about what was going on, and
Speaker 1: I guess looking at it, I thought, am I going
Speaker 1: to just take a trip down memory lane and go, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah I remember that, or yeah I was at that game,
Speaker 1: or because that's really what it is. There's a little
Speaker 1: bit about steroids in there, a little bit about Roger Morris.
Speaker 1: But I wanted something. I wanted something just a little more.
Speaker 1: And I know it would have been too much to
Speaker 1: ask because you're not going to get McGuire and Sosa
Speaker 1: certainly not Sammy to sit down and go, hey, this
Speaker 1: is what I took, because if I'm them, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that. And it's only one it's one weekend, it's
Speaker 1: one night. We got two weekends with Lance Armstrong, we
Speaker 1: got in with Jordan. This one felt like it needed
Speaker 1: a little bit more, almost a follow up that says, now,
Speaker 1: let's explore what was happening at the time. But you
Speaker 1: know what, the fact that it was now and you're
Speaker 1: following the you know the Jordan, you know platform here,
Speaker 1: you were you know, you were going to disappoint people.
Speaker 1: If this is last year and they put this out,
Speaker 1: we'd probably go, Okay, that's enjoyable. Hey that was a
Speaker 1: great time. Hey they brought baseball back. We need something
Speaker 1: like that now. Although I started to think about that,
Speaker 1: who's bringing us back? There's no ripk In here, there's
Speaker 1: no Jeter here, there's no McGuire Sosa here. Who's bringing
Speaker 1: us back? Because baseball might be coming back, that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean the fans are coming back. So just watching that
Speaker 1: and thought I would get a little bit more out
Speaker 1: of it, And I don't even know what I was
Speaker 1: hoping for, because there was not going to be an apiphany.
Speaker 1: Sammy Sosa has never acknowledged anything McGuire has, and you know,
Speaker 1: he said, hey, I wish I never did it, and
Speaker 1: we'd love to say the following. And I always caution
Speaker 1: people when they say this. You know what, when he
Speaker 1: was clean, he dot dot dot Okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: when somebody was clean. I have no idea. McGuire was
Speaker 1: unbelievable as rookie year. Sammy, Sammy was just a toothpick
Speaker 1: and you could see Sammy was really nobody, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Sammy became somebody and McGuire. McGuire
Speaker 1: had pedigree here. I mean, he was good in college,
Speaker 1: but he got nicked up, got injured, and you know,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he reinvented himself when he
Speaker 1: got to Saint Louis, reinvented himself. And then you had Bonds,
Speaker 1: you know, Bonds, And the story goes, and I've told
Speaker 1: it before, and because they were there was a group
Speaker 1: of guys and they were in Orlando, outside of Orlando,
Speaker 1: and I remember being told that Bonds was there and
Speaker 1: a few other people, and Bonds said, basically, you know
Speaker 1: that's Bs that you know America has fallen in love
Speaker 1: with Socia McGuire, watch what I can do. And he
Speaker 1: basically said to the people in the room, Hey, you
Speaker 1: think they're going on steroids, wait till you see what
Speaker 1: I do on steroids. And the thing is he was
Speaker 1: a better hitter than both of them. And you saw
Speaker 1: if Barry Bonds used steroids longer than he did when
Speaker 1: he was with San Francisco, he would probably have a
Speaker 1: thousand home runs because he was so incredible. But we
Speaker 1: get caught up in well, before he started using, he
Speaker 1: was a Hall of Famer. That's not the way it works.
Speaker 1: It's it's, you know, the the entire collection of your
Speaker 1: baseball career, all those years. You don't go, hey, can
Speaker 1: we just cut it off right there? Can you put
Speaker 1: me in the Hall of Fame right there? It doesn't
Speaker 1: work that way. And McGuire and Sosa not going into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I don't know if Bonds and
Speaker 1: Clements ever get in there. But hey, before they started cheating,
Speaker 1: it's like you know, when Raphael Palmio got popped. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what before he tested positive? Oh, he just
Speaker 1: started using at the end of his career. Okay, I
Speaker 1: got it, but that was you Bonds and Clemens McGuire, Sosa.
Speaker 1: I don't know when they started, but I know what
Speaker 1: the end result was. They put up some pretty incredible
Speaker 1: numbers and they got paid a lot of money. Bonds
Speaker 1: made more money with the Giants than he did his
Speaker 1: entire career because he saw what these guys were making.
Speaker 1: And that's why you look at numbers. Now, these are
Speaker 1: artificially inflated salaries based off of the steroid era. Now,
Speaker 1: they built up these these salaries because hey, I'm going
Speaker 1: to compare this season with Willy Mays or Hank Aaron,
Speaker 1: Mickey Mannel and then all of a sudden, you, well,
Speaker 1: he's got to be worth this. And then they inflated
Speaker 1: these salaries through steroids. And I know there was a
Speaker 1: feel good moment with McGuire and Sosa and we all
Speaker 1: got caught up in it. And I remember being in
Speaker 1: Vegas with Mark McGuire and he was there for the
Speaker 1: SP's and they couldn't do an ESPN couldn't do enough
Speaker 1: for him. Whatever Mark McGuire wanted, he got Sportsman of
Speaker 1: the Year was Sammy. They got their togas on It's
Speaker 1: Sammy and Mark. But it was a wonderful moment. That
Speaker 1: year a magical year. But you just start to look
Speaker 1: back and you go, Okay, now what do I get
Speaker 1: out of that? Tell me something, show me something, And
Speaker 1: we never got that really on this date nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1: By the way, Sammy Sosa hit three home runs. Sammy
Speaker 1: put up some pretty impressive numbers. But he looks good.
Speaker 1: Sammy looks good. He looks younger and younger every time
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Speaker 1: a pull question for me today. So last week we
Speaker 1: did which comes back first? The NBA or MLB and
Speaker 1: MBA one. I just want to make sure that, uh
Speaker 1: we're still this, uh the same spot MBA one fifty five.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, do you have any idea now? Is MBYA
Speaker 1: gonna be slowed down that's my question. Well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk to Chris Mannox about it because I'm just not sure,
Speaker 1: you know, Kyrie Irving said. And I brought this up
Speaker 1: even before Kyrie spoke up at the player's conference call
Speaker 1: that it felt like, Hey, everybody's going to Orlando. We're
Speaker 1: gonna play these games, eight regular season games, then we
Speaker 1: go into the plaffs and then we're gonna get done,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna finish up. And then here we
Speaker 1: go late July, we're gonna start and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it gets closer and closer, and then you go, oh,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I gotta wait. How long I'm quarantine?
Speaker 1: I can't can I bring my family, I can't get
Speaker 1: off the island here, I'm in the bubble for And
Speaker 1: that's the feeling I got. All of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: walls started to close in on these players and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that's right, this is real. And then Kyrie
Speaker 1: Irving said, why don't we just scrap the season? Why
Speaker 1: don't we use this opportunity for social reform activism? And
Speaker 1: I know the way I look at with Kyrie Irving
Speaker 1: is I don't want to shoot the messenger. I want
Speaker 1: to listen to the message here. I may not always
Speaker 1: agree with Kyrie Irving, but I'm going to listen to
Speaker 1: the message. If somebody else delivers this message, I think
Speaker 1: we take it differently. With Kyrie, he's injured, so he's
Speaker 1: not even factoring in in this. And then he's saying,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, why don't we use this? We'll never
Speaker 1: have this platform again, and then Lebron James is saying, no,
Speaker 1: we can still do that. Patrick Beverley, who he and
Speaker 1: Lebron have their moments on the floor, he said in
Speaker 1: a tweet, hoopers, say what all you want? If King
Speaker 1: James said we're hooping, we're hooping, not personal only business. Kyrie,
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard, c J McCollum. They have questioned is now
Speaker 1: the time? Is this the right time to go to
Speaker 1: Orlando in play, saying it would stall the momentum of
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter? And you know, Lebron has been the
Speaker 1: one to say, no, let's go back. And that's what
Speaker 1: I would want to know. If you're going to go back,
Speaker 1: what is your plan here? Like what's Kyrie's plan? Which
Speaker 1: I don't know. So we have this moment with you,
Speaker 1: this social platform. What are you going to do and
Speaker 1: how is it that you can't use what's going on
Speaker 1: in Orlando to help you with that platform? And I
Speaker 1: don't know that, and that's what I would want to hear.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to say, hey, let's not go back
Speaker 1: because it dilutes what we're doing right now out on
Speaker 1: the streets. Okay, Lebron is probably saying, hey, why don't
Speaker 1: we make sure that we draw even more attention to
Speaker 1: this while we're playing, while we are in the headlines
Speaker 1: here and this is you know, we got a month here,
Speaker 1: a month and a half before we're playing basketball. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to be happening. Then our player
Speaker 1: is going to take a knee prior to the anthem
Speaker 1: when they're playing basketball games. So I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk to Mannix about this of where we
Speaker 1: are now as to you know, where we were, and
Speaker 1: it felt like, hey, the NBA has got it all
Speaker 1: buttoned up, And frankly, I was shocked when I realized
Speaker 1: Adam Silver it seemed like everybody was on the same page.
Speaker 1: And then you're looking going, wow, how did they miss
Speaker 1: out on this? Where all of a sudden, people and
Speaker 1: this is before Kyrie where you had people saying, you know,
Speaker 1: on second thought, I don't know if I want to
Speaker 1: go to Orlando. I don't know if I want to
Speaker 1: be quarantined for that amount of time. What else do
Speaker 1: you have? Mclovin, Okay, I have a couple of topics.
Speaker 1: McGuire Sosa, a college football player, or this weekend's golf.
Speaker 1: I have three poles. Which one would you like to
Speaker 1: squeeze in first? I'll get to golf in a moment.
Speaker 1: Give me the McGuire's Sosa. Since we're on that topic,
Speaker 1: I think actually it might be worth putting up the poll.
Speaker 1: Did it bother you? The McGuire's Sosa documentary went lightly
Speaker 1: on PDS yes or no? Because they bothered me. I
Speaker 1: was like, halfway through, I'm like, does this guy know
Speaker 1: that they were juicing? Because the way they presented it,
Speaker 1: they didn't introduce the topic. I'm sure. I'm sure the
Speaker 1: producer knew that they were choicing back then. Yes, Oh,
Speaker 1: watching that, you didn't well, yes, you didn't really get
Speaker 1: that impression watching that last night, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he was. Here's my gut feeling, and I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I have nobody at the Mothership who would tell me?
Speaker 1: But were they going to get McGuire and Sosa to
Speaker 1: sit down? If steroids were going to be the topic,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't get Sammy to sit down. You're not going
Speaker 1: to McGuire. You might, but I'm guessing they probably said, hey,
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm McGuire, I'd say, well, how much
Speaker 1: are we touching on, you know, steroids here? And if
Speaker 1: they said, oh, just a little bit, then you know,
Speaker 1: if you say, just celebrate what we did, can we
Speaker 1: do that? You know? But I don't want this whole
Speaker 1: thing to be about steroids. Yeah, I'm a club. There's
Speaker 1: one throwaway ly where a Cubbs employee said, oh man,
Speaker 1: we were so proud of Sammy started eating salads and
Speaker 1: lifting a lot in the offseason, And I was like,
Speaker 1: is this a mockumentary? Like why would you include that quota?
Speaker 1: Are you insane? Yeah? Paul, To defend the director a
Speaker 1: little bit, the documentary is supposed to tell about a
Speaker 1: period in time in his story Oracle in the right
Speaker 1: chronological order. If he would have led the entire documentary
Speaker 1: with steroid steroid steroids, that wasn't what happened that summer.
Speaker 1: He was showing you what actually happened that summer, and
Speaker 1: if the media was naive and the other people are naive,
Speaker 1: he showed you that as well. Nobody was questioning these
Speaker 1: guys day to day, and that's what he showed. He
Speaker 1: showed the actual what happened that summer and leading up
Speaker 1: to ninety eight. Yeah, soon, I think I had more
Speaker 1: of an issue with it, and maybe it's because of
Speaker 1: the ones leading into it, where we had a ten
Speaker 1: part series on Michael Jordan. Then we had a two
Speaker 1: part series on Lance Armstrong that I thought was actually
Speaker 1: going to be longer and was waiting the next Sunday.
Speaker 1: I was just like, Oh, the Bruce leveland when are
Speaker 1: they doing the rest of the Lance one? I thought
Speaker 1: that was going to be longer, and now this one,
Speaker 1: I thought like, well, was this like the trailer for
Speaker 1: this because clearly there has to be more episodes of
Speaker 1: this one and that's it they'd end. So I think
Speaker 1: my problem with it more is that they did. They
Speaker 1: did put into context what that summer was like, and
Speaker 1: they did a fantastic job with that, But you can't
Speaker 1: just ignore or give five minutes to that. You know,
Speaker 1: Black Cloud, that dark cloud that's followed it for the
Speaker 1: rest of time. You know, they to just give it
Speaker 1: five minutes at the end of like, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: and then here's what happened. I felt a little rush. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that they just wanted to say, here's a
Speaker 1: feel good thirty for thirty. Let's go back in time
Speaker 1: to let you understand if you weren't old enough to understand,
Speaker 1: because you know, you had Jordan. So Jordan is the
Speaker 1: same year, right, So you have Jordan and you have baseball.
Speaker 1: You go out of Jordan where Jordan hits the shot,
Speaker 1: you got the last dance, and now you go into
Speaker 1: McGuire and Sosa to take you into the fall. And
Speaker 1: it was a pretty great moment in sports. But you know,
Speaker 1: the problem was, you know what we had with Jordan,
Speaker 1: we had so much and was you know, Socia McGuire,
Speaker 1: we had very very little. There was nothing that was
Speaker 1: in there that you go, oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I'd never seen that before. With Jordan, you had so
Speaker 1: much in there, and that's what made it even great,
Speaker 1: you know, it made it spectacular. Yeah. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite parts about the documentary last night was when they
Speaker 1: did about three minutes about Roger Marris of the Yankees
Speaker 1: and what he went through is he was trying to
Speaker 1: break Baby Rush single season record and that one day
Speaker 1: people back, you shouldn't be baking Baby Rush record. You
Speaker 1: have no business, You're not a true Yankee. Then he
Speaker 1: would take a day off and they'd say, what are
Speaker 1: you doing. You're trying to break this and you owe
Speaker 1: it to the fans. And his son, Roger Marris Junior said,
Speaker 1: my dad would have liked to have hit fifty nine
Speaker 1: and not sixty one, and it haunted him more than
Speaker 1: helped him. And that was that was emotional. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think the marriss part of this is interesting because they
Speaker 1: were embracing, literally embracing Mark McGuire. Then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they realized what they were watching wasn't real. By
Speaker 1: the way, yesterday the twenty second anniversary of Jordan's final
Speaker 1: game that was Game six in Utah nineteen ninety. Guys
Speaker 1: are killing this day in sports history. Man. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, that's right, yes, yes, McLevin, Okay, just to
Speaker 1: take a step back here, not not leading the steroids.
Speaker 1: He's like doing a story on the astros and say
Speaker 1: how awesome Jose Altuve was for the first forty five
Speaker 1: minutes and oh, by the way, they were banging the
Speaker 1: drum like the story is steroids. The story isn't how
Speaker 1: great they were. Even as amazing as it was, it
Speaker 1: would be silly. Well, no, you can still do that documentary.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's based on we wanted something good,
Speaker 1: and I think we chose to not look closer. And
Speaker 1: I think what the director producer and I don't know him,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just we're gonna go back and let
Speaker 1: you understand how big this was. The magnitude of this was.
Speaker 1: It just the problem is that you're going to compare
Speaker 1: it to the Jordan documentary. And did I expect anything
Speaker 1: out of this? No, I did not. I didn't expect
Speaker 1: unless Sammy said, hey I did this, or I started
Speaker 1: doing this. You know, I was around McGuire and I
Speaker 1: can say with all of my heart, I think he
Speaker 1: got in and couldn't get out. I think he realized, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just a baseball player. Now I'm this sportsman of
Speaker 1: the Year. Now I'm something larger than life. Sammy loved
Speaker 1: it because Sammy never had any of this, And I
Speaker 1: think McGuire got in and I don't know if Mark
Speaker 1: had an exit plan, because when he got in front
Speaker 1: of Congress, you realized he did not have an exit plan. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: well that was one thing that I think that they
Speaker 1: did really great. It was one of It was such
Speaker 1: a funny moment to me because it really showed you
Speaker 1: who Sammy Sosa was at that time. But throughout the
Speaker 1: whole thing, he's like, I'm good. I got no problems
Speaker 1: with who I am or what I did. It's it's like,
Speaker 1: go back to where I grew up from, you know,
Speaker 1: go see where I came from and how I grew up.
Speaker 1: And I was a shoeshine boy, and I had all
Speaker 1: of this stuff, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: grew up in a very poor area, and now tell
Speaker 1: me that. You know, I'm going through this home run
Speaker 1: race and I'm making money. And I would check every
Speaker 1: night after the game. I'd get home and watch ESPN
Speaker 1: to see if they were talking about me. That's what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, you know. He just he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Coming from where I came from, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. All right, We'll settle on a
Speaker 1: pull question. Phone calls are welcome. Best and worst of
Speaker 1: the weekend. We'll get an update on Chris Mannox on
Speaker 1: what exactly is going on with the NBA and his
Speaker 1: thoughts on what Kyrie Irving and Dwight Howard CJ. McCollum
Speaker 1: are stressing with the rest of the NBA. Take a break.
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Speaker 1: recent AUM NBA must not let the seasons return distract
Speaker 1: from Black Lives Matter movement and Chris joins us now
Speaker 1: from Boston. How did this start, Chris, that you had
Speaker 1: some of these players bringing up their concerns about if
Speaker 1: we play basketball takes away from what is going on
Speaker 1: this social platform that they have right now. Well, Dan
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving was the driving force behind this recent call,
Speaker 1: and his message to the eighty plus players that were
Speaker 1: on this call was that, you know, there should be
Speaker 1: some consideration put into the fact that once we go
Speaker 1: down there and start playing again, the narrative shifts entirely.
Speaker 1: And look, he's not wrong. I mean, when players show
Speaker 1: up in Orlando, media that's been clamoring to get a
Speaker 1: piece of them for the better part of the last
Speaker 1: few months, we'll start writing about Lebron James's chase for
Speaker 1: a championship, and Ben Simmons returned to Philadelphia, and you
Speaker 1: know what can what is the status of Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 1: and Paul Joe Orge with the Clippers? And you know
Speaker 1: there are players, you know Irving the most vocal among them,
Speaker 1: that believe this is a time in this country's history,
Speaker 1: a movement where that kind of distraction just simply shouldn't
Speaker 1: take place. So that was the impetus behind that phone call,
Speaker 1: to let players speak out on issues like this as
Speaker 1: they try to make a decision. Okay, but in the end,
Speaker 1: ultimately it feels like it's Lebron James's decision here. Even
Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley, who doesn't get along with Lebron, tweeted out,
Speaker 1: Lebron wants to hoop. We're hooping here? Is there? Don't
Speaker 1: I just don't know Kyrie Irving's plan, Chris. If he
Speaker 1: has a detailed plan of if we don't play basketball,
Speaker 1: then what do we do? And can you do both?
Speaker 1: In your bubble in Orlando. No. Look, Lebron's position, which
Speaker 1: has been an ongoing position for him dating back to
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. I wrote about the time when Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was going after the NFL players for kneeling, Lebron said, specifically,
Speaker 1: my voice is stronger than my knee. And he's always
Speaker 1: held that position that if he's out there in the forefront,
Speaker 1: he can do more good than I if he, you know,
Speaker 1: the boycotts something or takes a more divisive stand. So
Speaker 1: I think a lot of players will follow suit. I
Speaker 1: think Kyrie Irving's only plan and his push to players was, look,
Speaker 1: just don't show up, and you send a pretty strong
Speaker 1: message about the strength of this movement. Don't be parts
Speaker 1: of the ultimate distraction. I mean, look, I have a
Speaker 1: hard time Dan as a white man kind of quibbling
Speaker 1: with Kyrie on this. I've never walked a mile in
Speaker 1: his shoes. I've never experienced some of the things that
Speaker 1: he's experienced. So if he feels this strongly that not
Speaker 1: showing up sends a stronger message than showing up, it's
Speaker 1: fine to have a difference of opinion with Lebron. It's
Speaker 1: just the way Kyrie, and I can tell you a
Speaker 1: number of other players feel. Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I said this from the outset. Sometimes we'll shoot the
Speaker 1: mess and not listen to the message. And I think
Speaker 1: Kyrie can be polarizing, and I want to listen to
Speaker 1: the message. And I'm right there with you. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he's experienced. I just want to know if
Speaker 1: there is no basketball, is there a plan or is
Speaker 1: that the statement they're going to make this is so
Speaker 1: important we are going to forego an NBA season. Plus
Speaker 1: Kyrie not playing that probably may draw you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a well wait a minute here, if
Speaker 1: he was playing and Lebron wasn't playing, would you know
Speaker 1: he'd be saying the same thing. And maybe that's not fair,
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's not going to be playing
Speaker 1: and Lebron has a chance at another championship. They worked
Speaker 1: hard all season to get the number one seed, you know,
Speaker 1: all of these things. So I don't know, you kind
Speaker 1: of throw it into the pot here, and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what the commissioner thinks about all of this, and
Speaker 1: how does he trouble shoot this well? To your point, Dan,
Speaker 1: from a public perception standpoint, there really could not have
Speaker 1: been a worse messenger than Kyrie Irving, you know, because
Speaker 1: of the fact that he's not playing, and he spent
Speaker 1: the better part of the last two years viewed as
Speaker 1: one of the more divisive forces in the NBA, with
Speaker 1: the locker room and everything that happened in Boston and
Speaker 1: his subsequent move over to Brooklyn. All that being said,
Speaker 1: there's going to be a season like the NBA is
Speaker 1: not even remotely considering the possibility of not coming back.
Speaker 1: There's just not a belief. And I think this belief,
Speaker 1: this feeling is strong enough that there's not a belief.
Speaker 1: There's not going to be enough players that decide not
Speaker 1: to go. There'll be a few players, maybe even more
Speaker 1: than a few players that decide not to go, but
Speaker 1: not enough that would deter the NBA or the union
Speaker 1: for that matter, which has been in lockstep with the
Speaker 1: NBA throughout this process, from not bringing the game back.
Speaker 1: The question is, in the next couple of days in weeks,
Speaker 1: what kind of statements will the NBA said, What kind
Speaker 1: of actions will they take to try to convince the
Speaker 1: players that are on the fence about this that coming
Speaker 1: back is the right thing. Will it be some form
Speaker 1: of donation or commitment to do something while you're in
Speaker 1: Orlando that will keep the spotlight on this social justice movement.
Speaker 1: I think that's something I know that some of the
Speaker 1: NBA's discussing actively, and we'll probably have something to reveal
Speaker 1: in the coming days and weeks. We're talking to Chris
Speaker 1: Mannox's Sports Illustrated senior NBA writer. I was also wondering,
Speaker 1: you have Dwight Howard and Avery Bradley on the same
Speaker 1: team as Lebron James. This isn't cause for concern at
Speaker 1: this point. No, if we get to a different point, maybe, look,
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard's agents already come out and said like he
Speaker 1: hasn't made any decisions yet. Dwight have that statement, but
Speaker 1: then his agent kind of countered it. And I don't
Speaker 1: think Avery Bradley's made any strong decisions yet either. I think,
Speaker 1: knowing Avery Bradley a little bit, I think Avery just
Speaker 1: wants to see something come from the NBA, Like I
Speaker 1: was talking about some sort of plan to keep the
Speaker 1: pressure on or keep the spotlight on this particular issue.
Speaker 1: But Dan, it's important to note too that the players
Speaker 1: are not speaking with one voice on all this. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are myriad issues out there that players are kind
Speaker 1: of sifting through at this moment. I mean, health concern
Speaker 1: continue to be real. I mean, the NBA is talking
Speaker 1: about a bubble, but the fact that Disney employees might
Speaker 1: be able to come and go as they please, I
Speaker 1: mean it makes it more of a spaghetti strainer than
Speaker 1: it is an actual bubble. I mean, you've got players
Speaker 1: that are going to be quarantined in there, but others
Speaker 1: that are staff workers might be coming in. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't care how much personal protective gear you're wearing
Speaker 1: or how much distance you're keeping from players, You're still
Speaker 1: running a risk that you can cause infect So that's
Speaker 1: a concern. And let's be real. Then, for a lot
Speaker 1: of players, mostly the guys in their twenties. They're lifestyle
Speaker 1: issues here, like not a lot of guys are eager
Speaker 1: to go quarantine down Orlando for several months, especially ones
Speaker 1: that don't play golf and that might just feel like
Speaker 1: they're just stuck in one place, you know, doing nothing.
Speaker 1: And I was wondering about that, just the physical condition
Speaker 1: could decide who wins this championship because once you get
Speaker 1: there in late July, then it starts, so you don't
Speaker 1: have much ramp up time. I've seen pictures of James
Speaker 1: Harden working out, looks like he's lost fifteen pounds. But
Speaker 1: here's a who has asthma. Who's going to be going
Speaker 1: down into that bubble there. I don't know what Lebron
Speaker 1: has been doing or the Greek Freak has been doing,
Speaker 1: but you know that could that could go a long
Speaker 1: way in deciding who's going to win this championship. Is
Speaker 1: just who's in the best shape. Yeah, and it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Brett Brown, the Sixers coach, about
Speaker 1: this just yesterday, and one of the things that Brett
Speaker 1: said was as important as physical shape is, it's about
Speaker 1: kind of your mental state as you go down to Orlando. Mean,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a completely new situation where
Speaker 1: at a bare minimum, you're probably going to be there
Speaker 1: thirty forty days and if you're successful significantly longer. How
Speaker 1: mentally steeled are you for this type of kind of setup,
Speaker 1: and also how much how well do you get along
Speaker 1: with your teammates, Like I mean how I mean you're
Speaker 1: gonna be in proximity with these guys for a significant
Speaker 1: amount of time, Like do you have the kind of
Speaker 1: camaraderie that you probably need to have to survive? I
Speaker 1: mean these things at least to a coach like Bret Brown.
Speaker 1: I'm sure others these things are just as important as
Speaker 1: the physical issues. That stove bed mind you be honest,
Speaker 1: how many times have you used that in the last year?
Speaker 1: Do we include pasta? All right? I don't let you
Speaker 1: sneak that in if I got rid of pasta? How
Speaker 1: many times have you used that? That stove? Oh? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think my old softball gloves inside the actual stove.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's actually used. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look behind me at the fridge, if I
Speaker 1: open it up, I'm pretty sure that'd be I don't know,
Speaker 1: like three quarters of a pound of salamis. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that. There's no way opening. I'm afraid of what's
Speaker 1: in there, to be quite honest, case of bud light
Speaker 1: in there, some gatorade easily right, easily, yeah, easily. I'm
Speaker 1: into Soby Water now, so that's kind of probably a
Speaker 1: bunch of that soft. Hey, good to talk to you.
Speaker 1: I also saw what the Players Association doesn't expect fans
Speaker 1: at NBA games next season. Well, a little bit too
Speaker 1: soon to tell. Yeah, I'm not one. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's one of the questions that's going to be coming up,
Speaker 1: dan is will the NBA keep fans out of stands
Speaker 1: completely or will they look at states that are allowing
Speaker 1: things to happen and say you can put fans in stands.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is gonna be something that comes up
Speaker 1: because owners of those teams are gonna say, like, if
Speaker 1: you're Mark Cuban in Dallas or you know, in San Antonio,
Speaker 1: the Rockets, like where Texas is starting open up significantly already,
Speaker 1: are you gonna say, look, you're gonna cost me all
Speaker 1: that revenue when my states says I can open up
Speaker 1: and have three quarters of capacity. Florida, which we've seen
Speaker 1: open up already a couple of teams down there. This
Speaker 1: is going to be a challenge if there are states
Speaker 1: like New York and California that are still operating under
Speaker 1: significant restrictions. How will the NBA, I mean, how will
Speaker 1: they sort of thread that needle where they have these
Speaker 1: owners that are able to make money off fans and stands,
Speaker 1: but they can't do it because the rest of the
Speaker 1: league camp. That's that's a challenge, believe me that the
Speaker 1: NBA is talking about right now. Good to talk to you, Chris.
Speaker 1: Thanks as always, we appreciate your time. All Right, Dan,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break here back with our play of
Speaker 1: the day and your phone calls right after this. Thanks
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Speaker 1: slash The Dan Patrick Show. Anybody know who won the
Speaker 1: Charles Schwab Challenge? And I throw out some names, and
Speaker 1: I said, does anybody know if Daniel Berger is an
Speaker 1: actual golfer? And I think we thought it was something
Speaker 1: you put on the tragger. No, let me have the
Speaker 1: Daniel Burger. I thought he's married to Julia Roberts at
Speaker 1: some point, But that's Dan, Danny Motor, Danny Motor, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: POI I watched this weekend. I don't think I would
Speaker 1: have been able to match Daniel Burger to his picture
Speaker 1: before Friday. Now you're not alone. Yeah, I watch golf
Speaker 1: a lot of golf, and I wouldn't have known Daniel Berger. Mcleveland,
Speaker 1: we got a pull question we're gonna go with? Uh?
Speaker 1: First hour? Was I? Oh, I put up? Was the
Speaker 1: mcguires so sad? Doc too light on steroids? Said? Yes? Uh,
Speaker 1: A bunch of other options. Here's that golf option was?
Speaker 1: Is uh there any professional athlete with a lower QUE
Speaker 1: rating than Daniel Burger? Why? What? What? I just I
Speaker 1: like Polly, I had no idea. I've heard the name
Speaker 1: because we always look at that list of golfers before
Speaker 1: the majors. Yeah, but that was a who's who of
Speaker 1: medium golfers that we always think about, like like the
Speaker 1: Alex Norton types. Like No, that that was a great leaderboard. Really,
Speaker 1: you had some big names there. I mean they didn't
Speaker 1: do well on Sunday, but you had leading up to it,
Speaker 1: you had a lot of big names. I mean, Tiger
Speaker 1: was the only one that wasn't there. Speth was in there, Uh,
Speaker 1: Mickelson was in there. Bubba Rory, bubba Uh, Justin Rose.
Speaker 1: I felt like there was a lot of Gary Woodland
Speaker 1: and Bryson d chambro and Sanders Shoffley. Well, I know
Speaker 1: we can get used to that. That's the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: Once Tiger leaves, then all of a sudden, you're gonna go, Wait, Tiger,
Speaker 1: you can't believe it, you can't quit us. And Michelson
Speaker 1: just turned fifty. That's a sport that's holding on for dear,
Speaker 1: like you know, because we're waiting like Rory's the next Tiger,
Speaker 1: and Speace the next Tiger, and Justin Thomas is the
Speaker 1: next Tiger, and nobody's the next Tiger. The PGA tour
Speaker 1: is going to go through what the NBA went through.
Speaker 1: He keep waiting for the next Michael Jordan and it
Speaker 1: ain't happening. Brooks Keepka is a wonderful golfer, He's not
Speaker 1: the next Tiger. And he'd be the first to admit it.
Speaker 1: You keep waiting for that and it ain't happening there. Yeah, Polly,
Speaker 1: Daniel Burger Dee Bergs, as his fans call him. He
Speaker 1: finished h good twenty eighteen, tied for twelfth of the PGA,
Speaker 1: tied for sixth at the US Open. He was top
Speaker 1: tenth the Masters in sixteen. He's on a wait, wait,
Speaker 1: it's not his fault, like, I don't want to criticize
Speaker 1: Daniel Burger. He burge burgs, yes, so see it is
Speaker 1: kind of funny though to hear like, and Daniel Burger
Speaker 1: is your champion and the PGA Tour is backack like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think that's where you say, the PGA Tour is
Speaker 1: back and Daniel Burger is your champion. I don't think
Speaker 1: you lead with Daniel Burger. But the PJ Tour is
Speaker 1: just screaming out like oh, like Gus Johnson and there's
Speaker 1: no gallery there. You know, you're just going okay. And
Speaker 1: he hugged his caddy and then he gave DAP to
Speaker 1: a colin Marakawa. It was worth the wait. Daniel Burger
Speaker 1: finally the Charles Schwat Champion. Well, you know, Jim Nance
Speaker 1: always has one of those you know, storybook hallmark card
Speaker 1: endings where you know, ah, a moment for the ages,
Speaker 1: you know, or something like that. Yeah, could he have
Speaker 1: just said Daniel Burger, well done. Oh okay, let's get out,
Speaker 1: all right, go to commercial. All right, that's Fritzie one. Everybody. Wait.
Speaker 1: That doesn't quite capture the levity of moments sports returns.
Speaker 1: You can't put it a Burger pie there. I'm not bad.
Speaker 1: Burger well done is obvious, but good. But it had
Speaker 1: this beautiful speech to sign off, and like Danie Burger,
Speaker 1: well done of the p trying to catch up. Ketch up,
Speaker 1: ketch up, ketch up, Daniel Burger. I had a lot
Speaker 1: of sleep last night. A rare victory for Danel. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we're selling this kid. I now we're cooking. Okay, keep
Speaker 1: firing away. Here a rare PGA victory. You must aren't stop.
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, that's horrible. That's horrible. Let us
Speaker 1: move on. Daniel Burger has onions. Add a little cheesy
Speaker 1: Look at the onions on that guy. He cut the mustard.
Speaker 1: There you go, he's in a pickle. You should have
Speaker 1: been on the coverage, Dan, this feels like a Friday
Speaker 1: Show on Monday. On Monday. Oh, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: rally at some point. I think later in the day
Speaker 1: here anything else back, Row, Toddler, I'm got while there
Speaker 1: you go. You guys have encouraged any times. Good job.
Speaker 1: I love it. All right, So we have a pole question.
Speaker 1: Let me get to Chad in North Dakota. Hey, Chad, Hey, Chad, Chad,
Speaker 1: Come on Chad. Let's give Chad's number out to everybody
Speaker 1: who's listening so they can call Chad because he just
Speaker 1: ruined the moment. What's his beef? Why wouldn't he talk? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta turn to my dad, turn the
Speaker 1: radio down, and what are you called upon? I gotta
Speaker 1: say something Chad? Now watch Chad called back. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I was I had you on mute. Yeah all right. Uh,
Speaker 1: we'll get to more phone calls. We Row just said
Speaker 1: we're on a roll. Oh, Daniel Berger, nice buns, and
Speaker 1: we say good morning to chat Row. By the way,
Speaker 1: Tyler the moderator handling the duties there By the way,
Speaker 1: something really big coming up on Thursday on this program.
Speaker 1: After the show, it's Mario taking on Tyler the moderator
Speaker 1: nine holes golf tournament and it will be for a
Speaker 1: shower of shame. So Tyler the moderator versus Mario mano
Speaker 1: a mano, Yes, straight up eighteen holes no nine straight
Speaker 1: up nine nine. Yeah, I couldn't watch it for eighteen
Speaker 1: I got nine in me and I'll walk the course
Speaker 1: with him. Yes. Do you have time to give the
Speaker 1: backstory on this or? I mean, is there gonna be
Speaker 1: a thirty for thirty on Tyler v. Mario? And how
Speaker 1: sorry Ario? It might be better than social McGuire there
Speaker 1: for thirty Yeah, McLevin. Can you imagine if Mario has
Speaker 1: a two foot pot to win, how much pressure he's
Speaker 1: gonna feel knowing what he did in AUAA and his
Speaker 1: put misses the whole completely. Ario. I like how somebody
Speaker 1: on chat row came up with a T shirt m
Speaker 1: Ai r Ai r capitalized Ario for the airball in
Speaker 1: the au AA. Ario. So it's it's Tyler and these
Speaker 1: two they play golf with each other a lot, and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some tension here. But on Friday there
Speaker 1: will be a shower of shame for either Mark Ario
Speaker 1: or tighter. The moderator Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk
Speaker 1: will join is coming up a little bit. Got a
Speaker 1: month before those UH contracts need to be signed in
Speaker 1: the iPhone, including dak A Scott