1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Today, people of color are winning. We're winning in entertainment, 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: we're winning in sports, we're winning in the financial world, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: and then we're often winning in politics. But where people 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,079 Speaker 1: of color are not winning is in the justice system. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: That is the subject of my next guest in this 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: new book, Open Season. My next guest and I have 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: created and co produced television shows together. He is a 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: friend Little Brother, fraternity brother, and the founder and principal 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: owner of Ben Crump Law. He has been recognized in 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: National Trial Lawyers, Top one hundred Lawyers and Ebony magazine 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Power one hundred Most Influential African Americans. He has represented 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: families in several high profiles civil right cases, including Trayvon 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: Martin and most recently, the black man who was shot 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: and killed when the Dallas police officer walked into the 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: wrong apartment and thinking it was hers, and she shot 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: him while he was sitting on the sofa eating ice cream. 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: My guest is on the show to talk about this 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: new book, Open Season, legalized genocide of colored people. Please 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: welcome the money making conversations again. Attorney Ben Trump. Good morning, Rashwan, 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: good morning, my friend, Good morning. I know you just 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: landed in New York is a big media run. Congratulations 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: on this book, man. I know how long you and 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 1: I have been talking about this book, probably two years 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: um rashand in this thing right, just been so long. 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: But I have to tell you publicly what I told 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: you privately. You know your goddess and direction with aspect 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: of this book. And just like when we did the 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: UH on some TV show Evidence of Innocence, I mean 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: the cover selection that variety of magazine is calling iconic 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: from the title of the content. You know every time 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: I would UH being air to advise and counsel that 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: you always gave me prolistic advice and for that they're 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: the fact that the book is the number one uh 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: so book on Amazon for pre orders is UH really 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: a testament to a lot of your counsel and advice. 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: And I always thank you for that, brother, And so 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: this is an exciting week. Just know your voice is 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: in my ear as I go through all these interviews. 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: Thank you well, you know it's great. I thank you 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: for the compliment, and I thank you for being the 41 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: person that you are. In reading the book, my whole 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: thought was that this is one of many now because 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: I heard your voice, I heard your passion, and I 44 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: heard your concern as to why this book and many 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: books that you're going to write in the preview two 46 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: in the future gonna provide us with knowledge because so 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: much information is being hidden in the justice system, and 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: this book, you know, open season legals, legalized genus, ode 49 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: of color people. It's kind of like the first stage 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: of getting that information out to us correct certainly and tragically, Rashine. 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: It's almost as if the book stays relevant no matter 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: what we do. UH. As we're speaking this morning, you know, 53 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: America is learning another name of a hashtag victim uh 54 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: a Tiana Jefferson. The black lady in our house, UH 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: taken care of her eight year nephew. The cops shoots 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: since out of the house and kills her. Very similar 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: to both of them. John case where the white police 58 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: woman comes into his apartment while he's minding his business 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: doing everything he has the legal right to do. She 60 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: allegedly thinks is her apartment, shoots and kills him. UH 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: And and thank god, UH that was a historic case 62 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: because it was the first time a white police woman 63 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: has ever been convicted of murder for killing a black 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: UH person in the United States. But with all of 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: that there, it still remains that the law, the law 66 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: has suffer shine. And that's what we talk about a 67 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: lot in this book. How whether is on the streets, 68 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: are in the courtroom that law that is supposed to 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: protect us, they're using it to kill us. And this 70 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: is a continuation of what was done seventy years ago 71 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: when the Great Paul Robeson and W. B. Du Boi 72 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: and other black leaders went to the United Nations and saying, 73 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: wach yours genocide for how you're killing black people in America. 74 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: And it is then proliferated by the law. Right. You know, 75 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: an interesting thing about let's stay on the Dallas case 76 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: with the Dallas police officer, because you and I were 77 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: texting doing that trial and texting afterwards, and I saw 78 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: you seeing and after the trial and the hug that 79 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: was seen around the world doing that Dallars trial when 80 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: he when his brother left to stand and hugged her. Um, 81 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: your your thoughts on that, and then because my and 82 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: I share my thoughts on that about that hug. Okay, well, 83 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: it is important to know Rashaan the backstory of this 84 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: brant who was both from his younger brother, Uh was 85 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: only sixteen years old when his brother was killed. I 86 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: mean this is the person who he slept in the 87 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: bed with as a toppler of the person who was 88 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: his hero. Um. And so when she killed his brother, 89 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he went through all counter issues. He was angry, 90 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: he hated her. I mean, he just he wanted to 91 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: harm her when it happened because she took his hero. Uh, 92 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: he dropped out of high school, he pressed the holes 93 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: in the wall. His mother and father had uh give 94 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: him some serious counselor because as they said, they are Christians, Brandon, 95 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: this isn't our way to give way to hating. You 96 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: can't take this hate with you throughout your whole life. 97 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: So when you saw him in that courtroom on that 98 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: uh they to thick the impact statement. It was over 99 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: a year of him going through a whole range of emotions, 100 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: but he finally got to that point and uh, you know, 101 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: he didn't know that the cameras were running. He thought 102 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: that was just between him and her. And so that's 103 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: the back story of it. So people before they start 104 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: to form opinions of about uh, you know, he shouldn't 105 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: forgive to kill of his uh brother, where they need 106 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: to understand what kind of familist is. This is a 107 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: godly Christian family, and that this young man has since 108 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: through it all and don't judge him for how he's 109 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: grieving it. You know, it's really interesting because of the 110 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: fact that you know, African Americans are people of color, 111 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: even though we share the same religious beliefs, are often 112 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: seen as heathens. Seen this volunteer, I thought that was 113 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: a monumental moment for for all people to show that 114 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: there's even at this level, there's forgiven this and whether 115 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: he knew the cameras were running or not, the moment 116 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: that we can't forgive. The only thing I was kind 117 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: of taken aback, which when the judge hugged her, I 118 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: didn't understand that. You know that nobody undersaid that why 119 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: the sailor was happen here. Yeah, and nobody has seen 120 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: them get that kind of consideration or affection to a 121 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: convicted murderer who is black. In fact, it's the opposite. 122 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: They won't even let the family right. You know when 123 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: I still say there was an amazing case from a 124 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: standpoint of gaining some type of victory because so many 125 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: people we were were captivated by her personality by her 126 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: being young, by her being you know, you know, she 127 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: just young. She just made a mistake. You know, a 128 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: lot of people are trying to trivialize the severity of 129 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: what she had done, you know, and the fact that 130 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: you guys came back with a guilty victory guilty victory 131 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: verdict is really uh awesome in the sense that justice 132 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: was served properly. When I say the word awesome, yea yeah, 133 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: because first time, most people had predicted that she was 134 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: gonna get off. I mean, all the talking heads on 135 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: the the Legal Correspondent shows, they just said, nah, she's 136 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: gonna get way with it, because obviously she didn't mean 137 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: to do it. And the only thing I would say 138 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: was to argue in the open season it's about equal 139 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: justice under the law, that the facts would have been 140 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: reversed and both of them would have went to the 141 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: wrong apartment and shout and kill and mcgager. Nobody will 142 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: be saying give him the benefit of the doubt of 143 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: the confederation. They would not only be saying he should 144 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: be convicted of murder, they would probably be arguing for 145 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: him to get the depth I'm talking to Ban Cropp, 146 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: attorney Bean Crop. His book is Open Seas Legalized Genocide 147 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: of Color People. When we get back, we're gonna get 148 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: in more detail hanging there for each story. Great information. Hi, 149 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: this Rashan McDonald. You're listening to money making conversation on 150 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: the phone as my guest attorney being Cromp. We're discussing 151 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: this new book, Open Season, the legal the legalized Genocide 152 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: of Colored People. Ben, What made you decide to use 153 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: the word genocide in the title. You know, it was 154 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: very deliberate because I wanted to explain to people that 155 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: it truly is an epidemic of how they are destroying 156 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: the lives of so many young people of color, whether 157 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: they're killing us with bullets or whether they're killing us 158 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: with the laws. Um. You know, the statistics and the 159 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: empirical data suggests Rashaan that one out of every five 160 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: black men in states like Florida and Tennessee are convicted feelings. 161 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: And they believe if this trend continues on out in 162 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: the next twenty five years, weren't out of every three 163 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: black men in America will be convicted Fellings. Now, what 164 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: happens when you are a convicted felling richean and it's 165 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable when you think about the collateral consequences of 166 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: a convicted felon. Now, you know you always hear about 167 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: you can't vote, you can't serve on your duty, you 168 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: can't serve in the army. But it's far worse than that, 169 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: because everything that you thought you could do to try 170 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: to make a living legitimately, once you have that convicted 171 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: felon labor that you have to work for the rest 172 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: of your entire life. In the information age, it makes 173 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: it very daunting to be able to keep a roof 174 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: over the head of your family, to put food on 175 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: the table for your children. They keep the lights on. 176 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: If you want to be a teacher, you can't be 177 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: one when you got a convict the felling. You can't 178 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: get a certificate to be a nurse, or a real 179 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: estate agent or brick mason. You can't get the UH 180 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: certification to be even a ruticians. For the women who 181 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: have convicted felons UH on their record, you can't even 182 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: reshine in some states if you are a convicted felling 183 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: and you have served any time in prison, you can't 184 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: even get life insure. Since I almost like you the 185 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: living dead, they just haven't given you the death certificate. 186 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: You can't get a federal loan from the government to 187 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: go to college if you convict the failing. I mean, 188 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: who are getting these labors is our children, and so 189 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: they are being killed and they're killing them softly. They 190 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: don't even realized how they're using the law that is 191 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: supposed to protect them. Yeah, we're trying to make be 192 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: an edging changing five young people, but also for white people. 193 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: We want them to understand, just like Paul Roberson and W. P. D. 194 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: Waller saying, look at what you're doing to our future. 195 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: And if you don't, I don't want you to speculate, 196 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: to say, oh, we never knew, because with this book, man, 197 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: you can't say we didn't know. The question is what 198 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: are you gonna do about it after you have the knowledge? 199 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: And the book he's referencing is his book Open Season 200 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: Legali genocide of Colored People. And I want to say 201 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: when he says color people, he's talking about not only 202 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: just African Americans. He's talking about Native American, Hispanics, Muslims, 203 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: people of all color extractions, as well as the gay community. Uh, 204 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: it's really just let you know that this is a 205 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: bigger problem, not just an African American problem, and it's 206 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: just narrow Just on African Americans would have been a 207 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: mistake because the problem is bigger than just us. Correct absolutely, 208 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: Ran And when you talk about UH, the immigration issues, 209 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: when you talk about the environmental racism, when you talk 210 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: about the education of inequality, when you talk about the 211 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: voter suppression, I mean, and these not only affect Black people, 212 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: but oftentimes they seek to marginalize and disenfranchise many of 213 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: the minority communities in America and as well as the 214 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: LGBTQ community, because a lot of laws that we talked 215 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: about are focusing on this enfranchise and them as well. 216 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: And we make it a vivid point about how police 217 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: are killing black trans UH individuals, and I mean it 218 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: is alowment the statistics that how they're being killed. And 219 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: what is more alowment, Rashon is how little the police 220 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: are being held accountable. As you know, it's really interesting 221 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: in reading the book, I felt like um and I 222 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: felt like I've reading the history book. I was fel 223 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: like I'll read something current. I fell like I was 224 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: looking at possibly my future or the future of America. 225 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: And it's it's really a great book to read because 226 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: of the fact that I think at any level, high 227 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: school level, definitely, a college level is definitely a book 228 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: should be part of a sociology curriculum. And sociology changed 229 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: my life in college, and this is a book about 230 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: that that that that part of how life is being 231 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: structured for people of color, and it's really important. So 232 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know that the book from beginning 233 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,479 Speaker 1: to the end, you know, starting with the introduction and 234 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: and all the way to the end, with the twelve 235 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: points that you set aside, that that could be you know, 236 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: transformative to America if they took hold of these twelve 237 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: points that you're talking about in writing the overall concept. 238 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: I want to tell you this, Please put this in 239 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: audio form. Are you gonna put this book on audio? 240 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: It is, yes, Harper Collins has an audio book that 241 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: you can purch yourself, so and listen while you're in 242 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: the car on the plane. I'll tell you because it's 243 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: even more impactful because I've seen Ben from speak over 244 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: the years, and uh, he's he's he's really rivety when 245 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: he gets on the role out there. You know, I 246 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: your articulation and your ability to do it to command 247 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: and stages just watching that growth has been pretty amazing 248 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: to me over the years. I know, as an individual, 249 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: you were thrust out into the public's eye with Trayvon 250 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: Martin's case, and you've done your homework to be able 251 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: to understand your role and how do you have to 252 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: present yourself. That was part of your growth too, as 253 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: well as leading up to this book. Correct, absolutely, and 254 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: you have a lot with that rest. I mean, it 255 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: was a journey and I'm a country bar from North Carolina. 256 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: And then when you're put on the stage and arguably 257 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: the most recognizable civil rights lawyer in America, then you 258 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: have to definitely grow into that role and you have 259 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: to work on it every day and trying to improve 260 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: on it every dingy, just like you often talk about 261 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: our money making comfort stations, is a continuous growth. You're 262 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: always learning, and so whether it's in the courtroom or 263 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: whether I'm advocating on TV, I'm always trying to learn 264 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: how to make sure it with being effective as a 265 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: trial lawyer. That's what we're doing courtrooms every day. You 266 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: you work to communicate with people. You don't want to 267 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: talk over them, you don't want to talk a lot them. 268 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: You want to talk to them, and in doing so 269 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: you try to find out what are the things that 270 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: have been expected from the past, and then how do 271 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: I make them better? And that was an exercise that 272 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I really tried to deal with the book because that 273 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: I've reread it and reread it. I tried to listen 274 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: to say, now, what about this uh, white person in 275 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: suburber America. How do I illustrate the point to them 276 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: that this is an American issue and that they also 277 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: should be concerned with how the law is killing black people. Um, 278 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: that was the the real important challenge, and I think 279 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: we tried to do it. I pointed out a big 280 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: thing about to many people in America, it is the government. 281 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: The police represent the government. It's the most visual form 282 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: that have in action with everyday citizens. And so if 283 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: the policy is to let police kill black and brown people, 284 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: then essentially that's the government killing black and brown people. 285 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: And that is the exact case that was argued to 286 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: the United Nations. So what I bos see as this 287 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: book gains more attention and awareness is taking a lot 288 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: of the families back over to Switzerland at the United 289 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: Nations uh Convention in Geneva and making the case again 290 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: that we charge generouside based just on the laws and 291 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: the statistics. Don't take our word for it. You tell 292 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: us anywhere in this book where it isn't true what 293 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: you're doing to black and brown people. You know the 294 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: rent amazing thing. We're talking to attorney civil rights attorney 295 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: Being Crop. His book Open Seasons, what you can go 296 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: to Amazon right now in pre order is the number 297 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: one book in pre order right now on Amazon. The 298 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: book will hit the stores of the airports, all the 299 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: Bonds and Nobles. If physically you can go by the 300 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: book this week. The book is called Open Seasons, That 301 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: legalized then the side of color people. I know my 302 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: social mediaill be blowing up, blowing up there. If you 303 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: come to at Rashwan McDonald, you will see of Being 304 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: Crop post about his book because it's a special book. 305 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: It's a book about the information, the book about education. 306 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: It's a book about telling you what you need to 307 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: know because you don't know. And I think that you 308 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: did a fantastic job and not making um white people 309 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: feel guilty or make them feel insecure, make them feel afraid. 310 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: You're just staying facts. The facts is that you continue 311 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: the direction you're taking away. People can pay taxes. People 312 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: can build this country. People can make this country better. 313 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: People can make America better. Of being incarcerated wrongfully. And 314 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: when they're being incarcerated, they can't even live a life. 315 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: They can an advantageous life to anybody. So all right, 316 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: all I can say, Ben, I want to continually push 317 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: your show. Thank you for taking the time to come 318 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: on the show. You know this a big week for 319 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: your book. I know I'm one of many interviews you're 320 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna do this week. Ricky's Milett deal you Loue, Steve Harvard, 321 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: gayl Kean. But I got your first, brother. I'm happy 322 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: you got the first. So I will be with Sunny 323 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: Huston at the stram uh and Broadway. They said the 324 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: largest book store in America. And then I go to 325 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: Gaya Kane to Breakfast Club and we hit them all. 326 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: I think Bill Maher, it's set uh for a taping 327 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: on HBO. Thank open season of the book that we 328 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: need to be in America. I appreciate your brother, good 329 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: luck man. Thank you