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Speaker 2: All right, Buck, brief time, everybody. Michael Malice with us
Speaker 2: hosts of your welcome fantastic program.
Speaker 3: You should all check out. Michael.
Speaker 2: I haven't talked to you since the election. I wanted
Speaker 2: to get first and foremost, your your thoughts on what's
Speaker 2: going on right now. You got NFL players doing the
Speaker 2: Trump Dance. You got people running around seemingly more excited
Speaker 2: about Trump than ever before. MSNBC has hosts going to
Speaker 2: pay homage to Trump at mar A Lago after saying
Speaker 2: he was hitler.
Speaker 3: What is happening?
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot that's happening in different ways.
Speaker 1: First of all, I think you'll agree with me, and
Speaker 1: it's very rare I do this. You have to give
Speaker 1: the media some credit because they prepared their voters for
Speaker 1: a loss. It's not like twenty sixteen where they're suffering
Speaker 1: this kind of existential trauma. Part like the in the
Speaker 1: marginally ones saw this as a possibility. So that is
Speaker 1: good in terms of not having unrest and all sorts
Speaker 1: of your insanity happening Number one. Number two is just historically,
Speaker 1: you know, grow any kind of entertainment, you've got the
Speaker 1: corporate wing, and then you've got the cool stuff, right,
Speaker 1: You've got the stuff that they play on the radio
Speaker 1: and the mall, and they have the records that you
Speaker 1: know you have to order from far away. So when
Speaker 1: you have all of corporate entertainment behind one candidate, you know,
Speaker 1: beyondce to Taylor Swift and every other one of these people,
Speaker 1: it's going to create The cool move to do is
Speaker 1: to go away from that. You know, instead of watching ABC, CBS, NBC.
Speaker 1: Remember we were kids would watch what Spike or MTV
Speaker 1: or something like that. So I think, just on a
Speaker 1: very basic sociological level, that's what's happening there. But two
Speaker 1: is Kamala Harris was like a combination of a cop,
Speaker 1: like an annoying your friend's annoying mom, a d I hire.
Speaker 1: It's like she's like this clown car of all the
Speaker 1: things that so many people hate. And we've at a
Speaker 1: time and place where podcasts are so influential in terms
Speaker 1: of shaping our opinions of people, and she's, even though
Speaker 1: she's relatively young, is still in this kind of like
Speaker 1: two thousands model.
Speaker 2: Now, do you think that the decision she made to
Speaker 2: not do the Rogan podcast. I know you've been on
Speaker 2: like fifteen times or something, so you know there's that how.
Speaker 1: Many times you've been on?
Speaker 3: Right, big fan?
Speaker 1: I know, I just wanted to hear you say a
Speaker 1: big fat goose, big fat goose.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what Joe, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? You know you can put it.
Speaker 1: In word for a guess who are likable and myself
Speaker 1: so harsh?
Speaker 2: You know, you know he's he's making memes of how
Speaker 2: big my head is.
Speaker 3: Where we're like in the green room here getting ready,
Speaker 3: you know, versus green room.
Speaker 1: We're both in our underwear green room, green room, green room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're room right now.
Speaker 2: It's the virtual green room. And they're pajama pants, sir,
Speaker 2: not underwear, elf.
Speaker 1: I'm in sheth underwear.
Speaker 3: Anyway, So she didn't go on the Rogan show.
Speaker 2: Was that actually the better move that her going on
Speaker 2: because it would have been more catastrophic? I mean, do
Speaker 2: you think going forward, democrats realize they have to do
Speaker 2: the biggest shows by audience and not just what they've
Speaker 2: been doing for the last forty years, it.
Speaker 1: Would have I think she would have been disaster and Rogan,
Speaker 1: let's put that out there, because he has a great
Speaker 1: BS detector. He wouldn't have been tough in terms of
Speaker 1: being playing gotcha like Peter Doucy, you know at the
Speaker 1: White House correspondence briefings with KJP. But her entire candidacy
Speaker 1: and political career is very performative. Right. It's her like
Speaker 1: trying to guess what answer is going to get her
Speaker 1: the most votes. I forgot who it was, maybe with
Speaker 1: Scott Adams, but she just seems like someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: even read a newspaper and just reads headlines. It's very bizarre.
Speaker 1: Like I remember in twenty twenty when she was running
Speaker 1: for president and someone asked her about banning plastic straws
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, I think we should, and it's
Speaker 1: clear she had not thought about it for at all,
Speaker 1: but was like, Okay, this seems like the lefty answer,
Speaker 1: and I'm going for the lefty votes, and it's the primary.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give that. So she doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: have very many convictions, so that's very hard to pull
Speaker 1: off for three hours.
Speaker 2: Here's the here's the thesis, though, I want to. I
Speaker 2: want to post to you the uh has the lesson
Speaker 2: or or the lessons have been learned. I guess now
Speaker 2: it's a question yes or no.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You have people like John Oliver. I don't know what
Speaker 2: kind of audience he even has these days, or what
Speaker 2: kind of residence he has with Democrats, something about people
Speaker 2: thinking that we need British people with British accents to
Speaker 2: yellous about our politics.
Speaker 3: I've never understood this, Like if I went to.
Speaker 1: I went to like what, Oh darn, you understand this
Speaker 1: perfectly because there's a certain part of population that uses
Speaker 1: secondary cues to determine truth or false. This is why
Speaker 1: Joe Biden refers to herself as a doctor. This is
Speaker 1: why so many of these shit libs for themselves as
Speaker 1: ESQUIRE or PhD on their social media, because these are
Speaker 1: cues that this person is smart and therefore should be
Speaker 1: listening to.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, you know they take a British accent
Speaker 2: is smart. I just think it's kind of to assume
Speaker 2: that some guys are like, oh, like, I'm from Liverpool.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you watch Gwango.
Speaker 2: No one cares, right, It's bizarre. A lot of people
Speaker 2: care you're right. People shouldn't care. People should not care
Speaker 2: about it, Yehrrect, it's I have a disdain for people
Speaker 2: who hear a fancy sounding accent and automatically assume that
Speaker 2: this person is worth listening to you.
Speaker 3: That's what I should say.
Speaker 1: Hold on this I'm interrupting with is a key point,
Speaker 1: A central part of contemporary leftism, obsession with the foreign
Speaker 1: and the exotic. Oh, I got these chocolates from whatever country.
Speaker 1: Automatically it's gonna sound like it's better because it's important,
Speaker 1: Like you don't know.
Speaker 3: That it's aboutter.
Speaker 1: You don't know this can find this country, Ukraine and
Speaker 1: all these other things. So they're very fixated on the
Speaker 1: out group and any kind of They're not waving their flags,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna wave some other countries flag, you know,
Speaker 1: seven days out of the week. So the fact that
Speaker 1: someone is an accent will tell them in their mindset
Speaker 1: that this person's better than us because their other Yes.
Speaker 2: Well, and that I agree with your assessment. I just
Speaker 2: wish that wasn't the case. What I want to asking
Speaker 2: about about John Oliver though, is he's saying, you know,
Speaker 2: there's no evidence for girls are as good as boys
Speaker 2: in sports doing this whole thing you saw him on
Speaker 2: the trans issue. Is that is that gonna fly anymore?
Speaker 2: At least for the foreseeable future. They're just digging in
Speaker 2: on You think they're not gonna abandon this hill, They're
Speaker 2: gonna keep fighting on it.
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, there's two different things. You say.
Speaker 1: Are they gonna abandon this hill? Are they are the
Speaker 1: gonna fly? It's still gonna fly until the script flips.
Speaker 1: And I think the script is gonna flip very quickly
Speaker 1: on this issue because there's i know, like a lot
Speaker 1: of people think, oh, the Democrats are rather left or
Speaker 1: all stupid. There's a lot of smart people in that
Speaker 1: party and in that movement, and they can see the
Speaker 1: right in the wall. This is also alienating Trump got
Speaker 1: if you just get enough black men or enough gaze,
Speaker 1: this is gonna flip some states and flip some races. Right.
Speaker 1: So there's plenty of gay people who are very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: that they have to fight for decades like they're dudes
Speaker 1: who like dudes and that doesn't make them a woman.
Speaker 1: And now they're being told who wah you actually are
Speaker 1: Woman's like who wha wha wha whoa whoa whoa and
Speaker 1: when you get kids involved, it gets even trickier. So
Speaker 1: what's going to end up happening I predict, and I
Speaker 1: bet you're gonna agree with me, is corporate media are
Speaker 1: going to pave the way by writing articles about the
Speaker 1: OH hormones have side effects we never thought of, and
Speaker 1: talking about these transitioners and the hidden costs of medical
Speaker 1: transitioning an early age and maybe we should wait. And
Speaker 1: when that happens, the politicians will have the space with
Speaker 1: their audience to follow suit. So they are going to
Speaker 1: back away. But whatever Oliver says, he could say, no
Speaker 1: matter how ridiculous it is, the more ridiculous, the more
Speaker 1: they'll be proud to champion it, because that's how faith works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is if you're in a cult,
Speaker 2: the best, the closest person in the cult, of the
Speaker 2: cult leader is always the one who's like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to sleep with my wife because you say
Speaker 2: I can't, but you can sleep with my wife, right,
Speaker 2: Like the utter devotion and debasement of reason and reality.
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Speaker 2: I am concerned that Elon, who I think is as
Speaker 2: impressive a person in terms of accomplishment as exists in
Speaker 2: our lifetime and perhaps many lifetimes. I am concerned that
Speaker 2: Elon is about to run into the buzzsaw of bureaucratic
Speaker 2: intransigence and federal judges who are absolutely devoted to the
Speaker 2: communist cause here, et cetera, et cetera, and that this
Speaker 2: is gonna be much harder than people are getting a
Speaker 2: sense of. Right now, what do you think are you
Speaker 2: Are you optimistic about this or do you think that
Speaker 2: when they say they're gonna get rid of whole government departments?
Speaker 3: Really yeah?
Speaker 1: I By the way, I really appreciate that you have
Speaker 1: this perspective, because so many people were like, all right,
Speaker 1: we want it's over. It's like okay, like Slayer roles
Speaker 1: like that. One of the points I made, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure obviously you're going to agree, is these mess deportations.
Speaker 1: There is a gigantic infrastructure to maintain these legal immigrants
Speaker 1: in America, including plenty of people in the judiciary. And
Speaker 1: if the judiciary rules against Trump, it's not like Ice
Speaker 1: is going to be like, well, we're just gonna go
Speaker 1: with the president ignore the judicial system says that's not
Speaker 1: how it works. So that is going to be an
Speaker 1: issue in terms now in terms of self deportation of
Speaker 1: something different in terms of what you're talking about. I
Speaker 1: think Elon is really I think a lot of politicians
Speaker 1: are more naive, like they really thought, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get into government, we have the Republican majority, We're
Speaker 1: gonna start cutting stuff. And then you get there and
Speaker 1: you realize every single program in DC has someone who's
Speaker 1: sponsoring it and that's their pet project and no one
Speaker 1: wants to cut it. Elon, of course is not a
Speaker 1: Republicans are being elected, and as a CEO and Vivek
Speaker 1: as well, he's going to have a much better approach about, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's producing return on investment, what's just a cost, and
Speaker 1: what's you know, politically costly. So he's gonna make some
Speaker 1: great recommendations. I hope. I hope Trump's ego works in
Speaker 1: the way that the classical CEO does, which is I'm
Speaker 1: the head of the company. I'm going to hire brilliant people.
Speaker 1: They're going to run the departments, They're gonna figure out
Speaker 1: what to do. Then they're gonna come back to with recommendations.
Speaker 1: I'll take the recommendations and I get all the credit.
Speaker 1: A genius how I thought all these things fine, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think Trump is a nuts and bolts guy
Speaker 1: in the same way Reagan wasn't. He had a good staff.
Speaker 1: He just had the big picture you guys figured out.
Speaker 1: And I think Elon knows very well how to deal
Speaker 1: with bureaucracies. Now, the Washington bureaucracy is a lot more
Speaker 1: powerful and entrenched than any companies had to deal with.
Speaker 1: But I remember vividly and I thought about this week
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. I was in college and made a
Speaker 1: speaker from New Zealand and they had had a right
Speaker 1: of center. I don't remember. The party was government and
Speaker 1: they were privatizing things. And what they had done is
Speaker 1: they did it basically like snowball, Like they privatized one thing,
Speaker 1: and before people had a chance to freak out, they
Speaker 1: privatized the other. The prize, you know, at a certain point,
Speaker 1: like they no one knew how to keep up. Now
Speaker 1: that's different because of parliament, right, so you just if
Speaker 1: you have the majority, you could do basically what you want.
Speaker 1: So I am hopeful that I'm certain Elon realized, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be called fascist already, you're gonna be called radical,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be called extreme. If you're gonna pay the cost,
Speaker 1: you might as well spling for the fences, because they're
Speaker 1: going to call you that anyway. So why go for
Speaker 1: five when you could get seven? And why go for
Speaker 1: seven when you get ten.
Speaker 2: I do love his philosophy of if you don't cut
Speaker 2: too much, you haven't cut enough, because I can tell
Speaker 2: you from a government side of things, meaning you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't go to the place where you go, well,
Speaker 2: maybe we should put that little piece back, you know,
Speaker 2: or maybe maybe we should scale this down a little bit.
Speaker 3: You're probably nowhere near where you.
Speaker 1: Have to be to affect effect real change, honestly, but
Speaker 1: if even one department gets cut, this is so major
Speaker 1: in terms of the Overton window and showing people that
Speaker 1: this is possible. It will also put great pressure on
Speaker 1: governors to look at their states and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at me, I cut this department in my state.
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of trickle down effect that could
Speaker 1: be really powerful, you know.
Speaker 2: I think also there's the biggest freak out we've seen
Speaker 2: so far. Some people would say that it's Matt Gates
Speaker 2: as Attorney General. In terms of the nominees, what do
Speaker 2: you think about the RFK junior factor at HHS and
Speaker 2: what the system will do Because people think AJHS, I
Speaker 2: think CDC they had, like Medicare is in there. We
Speaker 2: were talking about a multi trillion dollar agency in our
Speaker 2: multi trillion dollar healthcare industry. And a guy showing up
Speaker 2: who's like everyone's too fat and sick and the drug
Speaker 2: companies are lying about stuff. I think that's going to
Speaker 2: shake some cages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no question though that our off case at
Speaker 1: old school lefty and Medicare is one of their favorite things.
Speaker 1: So he's not going to cut in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: not having poor people or unhealthy people have access to healthcare.
Speaker 1: So that's a really concern what lefties were best at
Speaker 1: and they abandoned like since Romney, and I'm shocked that
Speaker 1: conservatives picked up this baton is being skeptical of corporations.
Speaker 1: When you remember, you and I both remember very vividly
Speaker 1: that this Chamber of Commerce guy is the quintessential Romney Republican,
Speaker 1: Republican through and through, and there were those riots in
Speaker 1: the world in the was Seattle where you had these
Speaker 1: kind of globalist organizations. All the lefties don't trust Monsanto.
Speaker 1: You know, we should be skeptic, Occupy Wall Street. Then
Speaker 1: overnight big pharma can do no wrong. Just shove whatever
Speaker 1: they tell you in your body and there can't possibly
Speaker 1: be long term side effects. That's ridiculous. That's tin foil
Speaker 1: hat Alex Jones theory. So for RFK to bring the
Speaker 1: skepticism of big pharma to government is something I think
Speaker 1: is superbly healthy. He's completely correct that if you look
Speaker 1: at photos of people in the sixties to now on
Speaker 1: the beaches, the fact that mobility scooters are a thing
Speaker 1: is insane, you know, to that extent. And you also
Speaker 1: remember when we were kids that we were told low
Speaker 1: fat food, high carb food keeps you skinny, totally the worst,
Speaker 1: the worst part.
Speaker 2: And don't eat don't eat red meat, don't eat real butter,
Speaker 2: don't eat real fat, saturated fat. It's going to give
Speaker 2: you a heart attack. All all garbage, all bad advice actually.
Speaker 1: And now people are paying the price for it. So'm
Speaker 1: I'm very hopeful what he could do. And also I
Speaker 1: think there's so much corruption and you know, and I
Speaker 1: know this from a let's get a little granular. But
Speaker 1: this is something key. There are right now cures for
Speaker 1: different types of cancer, but you can't get them through
Speaker 1: the FDA because basically, like if you have a pill
Speaker 1: and I have like a remix of that pill, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've done the Jones on that. But if I have
Speaker 1: a pill that will cure like let's say post breast cancer,
Speaker 1: you have to jump through so many hoops because it's new,
Speaker 1: that's the time to get it to mark and the
Speaker 1: cost is exorbitant. And result of this, people are dying
Speaker 1: like right now. So this is something where when people
Speaker 1: realize when bureaucracy is bad and they say it's inefficient,
Speaker 1: Inefficient doesn't mean just things cost more money. It means
Speaker 1: people are dying for no reason. Yes, and I'm very
Speaker 1: hopeful that RFK can and Vivek as well has background
Speaker 1: in this area, can and can do some much useful chainsawing.
Speaker 2: I want to come back in a second here with you, Michael,
Speaker 2: and I want to want you to tell me how
Speaker 2: you think the left rallies on what issue, who leads
Speaker 2: the rally? How do you see this happening? Because right
Speaker 2: everyone I know, right now everyone's were like dancing around
Speaker 2: the ring. After the first you know, the first knockdown,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get up. They always do, so I kind
Speaker 2: of want to know how you see that happening and
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Speaker 2: Evil strike back?
Speaker 1: I think what I mentioned earlier, if he starts going
Speaker 1: for these deportations, that's the kind of stuff that makes
Speaker 1: for good news footage. If people are getting ripped out
Speaker 1: of houses, people are getting rounded up, it's the kind
Speaker 1: of thing where it's going to be heartbreaking for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. The media is going to do whatever
Speaker 1: they can to get the most juice out of that squeeze.
Speaker 1: I think there is an enormous vested interest among huge
Speaker 1: sections of the left and the Republican Party of having
Speaker 1: mass migration as much as possible. So this is the
Speaker 1: one where they're going to dig in their heels. And
Speaker 1: I also think this is the one where he's going
Speaker 1: to be going forward. First. I think people remember in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, like one of the first things he did
Speaker 1: overnight with no warning was to have that travel band
Speaker 1: from Muscle majority several MUSLM majority countries, and it was
Speaker 1: complete chaos at the airports. So this like if all
Speaker 1: you if you asked him what the big issues for him,
Speaker 1: and he hammered this over and over during the debates
Speaker 1: and the campaign, immigration, immigration, immigration, I think this is
Speaker 1: where and this is also going to feed into their
Speaker 1: whole thing about him being a Nazi and white national
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. They've laid the groundwork to
Speaker 1: and like, see, I told you so about this.
Speaker 2: Who is the most powerful Democrat in the country right now?
Speaker 2: When you say Pelosi, I'm asking you you tell me
Speaker 2: I think it's Pelosi. Here's something everyone agrees on. Biden
Speaker 2: sat with George Stephanopolis and he said I'm not stepping
Speaker 2: down unless there's an act of God. That Sunday morning,
Speaker 2: his I think was campaign manager or chief of staff,
Speaker 2: whatever was on the Sunday Morning shows. Biden's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: That afternoon, he released a statement on Twitter. I have
Speaker 2: no doubt that he got that.
Speaker 1: Mark Halpern's reporting is correct, that he got sat down
Speaker 1: by powerful Democratic leaders that said, Okay, we try this
Speaker 1: a nice way. Now we're moving on to threats. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what the rumor was. They said we're
Speaker 1: going to twenty fifth the meend me you maybe a
Speaker 1: threatened hunter.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to cross Nancy Pelosi, Like I think
Speaker 1: she's a very scary individual and she's ruthless, so and
Speaker 1: she's clearly been behind the scenes steering policy, so on
Speaker 1: and so forth. So if I had to put money
Speaker 1: on who's the most powerful, it would be her.
Speaker 2: But what about in terms of running and running for
Speaker 2: office and running the party going forward? Right, Pelosi's got
Speaker 2: limited time. I think she's not speaker anymore, right, so
Speaker 2: she might be the most powerful voice behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: And I think your anecdote relays that. But I mean,
Speaker 2: if this is Donald Trump's Republican Party, do you see
Speaker 2: is it even a handful of names? I mean, is
Speaker 2: it Do you think that they're really going to be
Speaker 2: able to rally around avenuwsome Gretchen Whitmer, somebody else that's
Speaker 2: not really on the radar. To me, it just feels
Speaker 2: like they don't have a torch bearer, you know. The
Speaker 2: main person that they're going to want to turn to
Speaker 2: to make the case against Trump is who, I mean,
Speaker 2: is AOC the most powerful young brand in the Democrat
Speaker 2: Party right now?
Speaker 1: Buck, it's the New York Times that's the leader of
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. It's always the New York Times. It's
Speaker 1: never Pelosi or Schumer or Kim Jeff And these people,
Speaker 1: they're the ones who make the arguments, They're the ones
Speaker 1: who destroy their opponents. They're the ones who pick the
Speaker 1: issues that are going to be important. AOC I don't
Speaker 1: think has much of a brand left other than like
Speaker 1: for boomer conservatives to hate on. And I think the squad.
Speaker 1: Pelosi did a great job and getting the squad to
Speaker 1: sit down and shut up, and that was her doing.
Speaker 1: But The New York Times is by far the leaders
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party, and they have been for quite
Speaker 1: some time.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's really spent much time at least
Speaker 2: talking about this. But it is very unusual for an
Speaker 2: election cycle to happen and for both the incumbent president,
Speaker 2: the nominee of the party, and the vice president on
Speaker 2: that ticket to all have their political careers ended in
Speaker 2: one fell swoop. And I think that that happened here.
Speaker 2: You know, usually you could have, like if you had
Speaker 2: had Biden run and let's say Josh Shapiro was his VP,
Speaker 2: people would blame Biden Shapiro. There's this vacuum now because
Speaker 2: you use the Kamala option. Biden, you shoved the side
Speaker 2: and Tim Wallas was a joke. So there's really nobody
Speaker 2: who's sort of standing and waiting, as far as I
Speaker 2: can see, waiting in the wings to take over.
Speaker 1: But this is why we have to give President Biden
Speaker 1: another medal of was it bettle freedom whatever he got
Speaker 1: from Obama, because by forcing them to pick Kamal as
Speaker 1: his successor, she's not in a position in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 1: she can't go back to the Senate, she's not going
Speaker 1: to run for government California. He ended her political career.
Speaker 1: So we owe Joe Biden a great deal of thanks for,
Speaker 1: you know, sending this switchback to Salem.
Speaker 2: And I think I think his political legacy going forward,
Speaker 2: in the way that people, certainly in some corners will
Speaker 2: be writing about this is that Biden would have won.
Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of people who, whether
Speaker 2: you agree with that or not, you can't run the
Speaker 2: historical experiment. And they didn't give Biden a second shot,
Speaker 2: and she got a lot less votes than Biden did,
Speaker 2: So it is an interesting analogy. I want to ask
Speaker 2: you. You mentioned the New York Times last subject.
Speaker 1: Can I say one more thing? I think that's key?
Speaker 1: Just one thing is this, Yeah, I think people need
Speaker 1: to appreciate what a big loser Obama was because the
Speaker 1: Obama brand of decolonizing whiteness, that whole DII school of thought,
Speaker 1: was completely repudiated in this election by forcing her, who
Speaker 1: has no credentials and no likability, in trying to install her.
Speaker 1: That was the Obama model. I actually it's worse than that.
Speaker 2: I think it's worse than that mouthlice because he also
Speaker 2: he told one of the lies that more people have
Speaker 2: woken up to at this point as a lie, which
Speaker 2: is the very fine people Charlottesville lie. That is just
Speaker 2: a lie. That is not a debate, there's no discussion.
Speaker 3: That is a lie.
Speaker 2: And for Obama in campaign mode to really build up
Speaker 2: to that as his like this is why you can't
Speaker 2: vote for Trump, I think he disgraced himself even among
Speaker 2: some sort of independent swing voters who used to like Obama.
Speaker 2: In fact, I can name one. I think it was
Speaker 2: Chi Moth from the All In podcast. I think said
Speaker 2: that that was a real breaking moment for him. He's like, Wow,
Speaker 2: Obama just did that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say two things. First all, thank
Speaker 1: you for saying lie instead of hoax, because a hoax
Speaker 1: is like a practical joke and it's kind of fun,
Speaker 1: and it's not the Charlotsville hoax. It's a good, very
Speaker 1: good people lie. So credit to you. And I think
Speaker 1: it wasn't for social media, they would have gotten away
Speaker 1: with it. Again, Obama is operating just like Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: was in a pre social media largely world where you
Speaker 1: could take a clip out of context, characterize it and
Speaker 1: no one's going to skeet the full context. And now
Speaker 1: it's impossible because your account, my account, Obama's account, they
Speaker 1: all look the same. On Twitter. He has more followers
Speaker 1: than us, obviously, but the tweets look the same. So
Speaker 1: all has to happen is he has to say something
Speaker 1: and then any asshole, including myself, could just put up
Speaker 1: the full context and you realize this isn't a mistake.
Speaker 1: This person didn't miss hear or mischaracterize. He knows he's
Speaker 1: a lie because maybe the first time it's like, oh crap,
Speaker 1: you know, I misspoke. Now, thank you for giving me context.
Speaker 1: But when you keep doing it, you're doing it on purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he absolutely was. Come in here on where
Speaker 2: does the media go? We talk about the MSNBC turn
Speaker 2: around with Morning Joe was hilarious stuff. I want to
Speaker 2: hear mister Malice weigh in on this one. But you know,
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Speaker 2: do you think this was I understand this is tactical retreat.
Speaker 2: These people haven't changed, but there is a level of
Speaker 2: humiliation here that I don't think that they were expecting
Speaker 2: before the election, they would have to go through for
Speaker 2: them to go for how do you go from telling
Speaker 2: your audience that somebody is hitler too, I went and
Speaker 2: hung out with him, and he's not that bad in
Speaker 2: the span of two weeks.
Speaker 3: How do you do that? It's worse.
Speaker 1: So if you and I had a beef, right, you
Speaker 1: and I argued, we could sit down and were like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's make nice. We used to be friends.
Speaker 1: If I'm going after your wife, things are very different.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: This isn't like, okay, you've crossed the line. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't have to hate you. We could be in the
Speaker 1: same room together. We're never going to be boys again, right,
Speaker 1: And then vice versa. He went after them and their
Speaker 1: marriage like repeatedly. So the fact that they have I mean,
Speaker 1: and no one they didn't need to get their asses
Speaker 1: on that plane, you know what I mean. So the
Speaker 1: fact that they came groveling to me speaks to their character,
Speaker 1: because it'd be one thing to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: we overreacted, It backfired, and now we have to deal
Speaker 1: with Trump again. And we're gonna deal with it because
Speaker 1: that's the reality. We can't be infants throwing a tantrum.
Speaker 1: But to go there and bend the knee to someone
Speaker 1: who spit in your face, what kind of person are you? IgE?
Speaker 1: Even lower than I thought?
Speaker 2: And I just I don't understand how anyone watching them
Speaker 2: can think that there's any credibility because this memory it's
Speaker 2: not just Joe and Mika.
Speaker 3: So I watch.
Speaker 2: This has been a habit of mine for certainly the
Speaker 2: last like six months. I watched Morning Joe. I don't
Speaker 2: watch the whole thing, but I will, Yeah, I watch
Speaker 2: it to see what they're saying, because I find it.
Speaker 2: I found it fascinating because they really were running this
Speaker 2: endless loop of Trump is Hitler, Trump's a racist, Trump
Speaker 2: fascism all the time, especially since Kamala became the nominee.
Speaker 2: It was all just you know, you know, Trump's sexual assault,
Speaker 2: Trump's a race, all the negative loop that they had
Speaker 2: going on, and then trying to say that Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: was not a moron. It was fascinating to watch this
Speaker 2: play out. But they bring on historians. We're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I've written books on the founding fathers, Like let me
Speaker 2: tell you Donald Trump is Hitler. I mean they've really,
Speaker 2: you know, they've dirtied up a lot of people with this.
Speaker 2: None of these people should be taken seriously ever again.
Speaker 2: And I think that the the legacy a term like
Speaker 2: mister Malice taught me. Actually, we don't use mainstream here,
Speaker 2: legacy media, legacy, democrat, media apparatus.
Speaker 1: I don't say legacy because.
Speaker 2: That's corporate corporate I'm sorry, corporate legacy, corporate media or
Speaker 2: corporate media.
Speaker 1: Yes, my legacy is wrong. At what this is being pedantic?
Speaker 1: What's important? Legacy has a positive connotation. You want to
Speaker 1: carry on your father's legacy, right, you want your kids
Speaker 1: to carry on your legacy. It's a positive word. So
Speaker 1: if you say legacy media, it gives them the gravitas
Speaker 1: of something great that they're carrying forward. It's the I
Speaker 1: think I hate that term. That's just my two cents. Well,
Speaker 1: corporate media, that's the that's the Malice term.
Speaker 3: I was getting it. You know, he comes on my show.
Speaker 2: He he quibbles with me and then he makes he
Speaker 2: makes memes where we see that that's the Easter Island
Speaker 2: head and my head, and this is what he does
Speaker 2: on this show. He makes it so that he makes
Speaker 2: fun of my giant noggin, which is large, and I
Speaker 2: will admit it. I will admit it, and he means
Speaker 2: it and then he comes on here to correct my
Speaker 2: spelling and my my parents are not my spelling, my
Speaker 2: my word choice.
Speaker 1: Do you disagree?
Speaker 2: No, you know, you're totally right. I just like I
Speaker 2: try to give you crap back because now no, no,
Speaker 2: I just want to be I was, I was, I
Speaker 2: was thinking of legacy corporate media when I said, but
Speaker 2: you you first, I remember you told me you're like
Speaker 2: this term because it was very much in the conservative
Speaker 2: mindset or millie oh whatever to say mainstream media. And
Speaker 2: you're like, why you're saying, They're like, that's the what
Speaker 2: the people watch and that's and I agree with you,
Speaker 2: and that was maybe like pre COVID you told me that.
Speaker 2: I've I've totally agree with that. And I really one
Speaker 2: on legacy too. We need better words for the other side.
Speaker 2: That is a challenge that we always have. We need
Speaker 2: better words to describe.
Speaker 1: And can I say one thing, don't say legal aliens
Speaker 1: a foreign trespasser.
Speaker 2: Well that what I would be a little a little different,
Speaker 2: just because legal alien is the actual criminal code term
Speaker 2: that's in the federal Like in the federal register and
Speaker 2: everything else. But I guess you can call them what
Speaker 2: you like, but that is the technical legal term.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: They've tried to change that.
Speaker 2: They've changed that now, so now it's I think in
Speaker 2: some documents federal because of Obama, I mean because of Biden.
Speaker 2: I think they say undocumented now actually as a matter
Speaker 2: of federal policy, but it's illegal aliens, foreign trespasser. That's
Speaker 2: a much better term, though I would agree with it, right, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it really is. Well, that's that's what I think more
Speaker 2: than anything else. I know, the trans issue became very
Speaker 2: big in some of Moost commercials. I think though, what
Speaker 2: lost in the election was they had no answer for
Speaker 2: how'd you let ten million plus people you know whatever
Speaker 2: the number is, twelve million, forty He.
Speaker 1: Had no question. It wasn't a problem. You're making it up.
Speaker 1: That was the point. If they had acknowledged this is
Speaker 1: an issue, and this is how we're going to solve it,
Speaker 1: and Trump won't, they would have been fine. But they
Speaker 1: just gaslit and gaslet and gas lit and said it's
Speaker 1: not happening.
Speaker 2: Well, no, but they said that Trump wouldn't sign the bill,
Speaker 2: So they admit at some level that it's a problem,
Speaker 2: or that Trump rather tried to kill the bill, but
Speaker 2: up to that point they gasl it until the summer
Speaker 2: before the election, and then they were like, we want
Speaker 2: to take this seriously. And at that point everyone's like, well,
Speaker 2: you're clearly that's bull like you're not in any ways.
Speaker 2: But I mean, the what they've done to the country,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if we can even
Speaker 2: turn this thing around. So we shall have.
Speaker 1: To see, Well, well, I'm sorry. You're a patriot, you
Speaker 1: love this country, don't you say? Can we not turn
Speaker 1: this thing around? This is America. Yeah, yes, we can
Speaker 1: turn it around.
Speaker 3: Come we can. We can.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a you know, I'll tell you. Uh
Speaker 2: I can't tell you who said it, but uh you'll
Speaker 2: I feel like this is malice humor. You'll appreciate this
Speaker 2: because he said it to me, said it to me
Speaker 2: off camera.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Somebody though, when Christy Nome kind of pointed to DHS,
Speaker 2: he said, which was I think was a suspect pick
Speaker 2: to a lot of people, because that's a very important
Speaker 2: agency for what the main main mission of the administration is.
Speaker 3: Going to be.
Speaker 2: But he said, uh, well, I guess you want somebody
Speaker 2: who shoots puppies for fun to be in charge of
Speaker 2: deporting ten million legals.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that is a malice line.
Speaker 3: That's a malous one right there.
Speaker 2: You could you can borrow that one if you're willing
Speaker 2: to show that you can bollrow that one anyway.
Speaker 3: Oh man.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was yeah, that was that said a lot.
Speaker 2: I think about the the kind of steely determination.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need going forward, going forward on this.
Speaker 2: When do I By the way, I'm gonna keep saying
Speaker 2: this because we don't forget about going on Joe Rogan show.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I haven't been a guest on You're Welcome in a
Speaker 2: very long time. So I'm just gonna say this right now.
Speaker 2: I am putting a marker out there.
Speaker 1: Because you're like, I'm so glad that you just give
Speaker 1: up on being a broken Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's like never gonna happen. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I have to do.
Speaker 2: You know, Sean Ryan's podcast amazing, great feedback, have a
Speaker 2: great time three hours then, but you know, nope, no, Rogan,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's all right, Do you want to be on next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, whatever you tell me, you just text.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it next next week.
Speaker 2: I'm actually traveling and working. It's Thanksgiving week? Can we
Speaker 2: do the week after? Trying to get me on a
Speaker 2: holiday week?
Speaker 3: Look at this? Look at this, shady so ob you
Speaker 3: want to do it? Like?
Speaker 1: There, I give you the next slot and still complaining.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: The holiday week? He's like, hey, you want to come
Speaker 2: on Christmas Eve? I know all the tricks, Malice. I
Speaker 2: know all the tricks in this game, but yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: probably week. So if you knew all the tricks, you'd
Speaker 2: have been un rogain. Wow, so harsh on my own show.
Speaker 2: Look what happens here, Michael Malice. Everybody, You're welcome is
Speaker 2: the show if you can stomach all of his meanness,
Speaker 2: it's actually quite amusing and insightful, mister Malice. I'm sure
Speaker 2: the audience enjoyed this prop prep and I can't even speak,
Speaker 2: probably more than me, probably the most.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Malice. You are fantastic.
Speaker 1: Ptch your buck