Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, SAT. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. It is seventy one degrees
Speaker 1: on a sun splash Tuesday morning here in Oxnard, California,
Speaker 1: with a high of seventy nine this afternoon when the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys hit the practice field for their third padded
Speaker 1: practice of this twenty eighteen Dallas Cowboys training camp. And
Speaker 1: welcome to Talking Cowboys. Mickey, you were in Thousand Oaks.
Speaker 1: This kind of feels like a Thousand Oaks kind of morning,
Speaker 1: sure does. And Bills after my own heart giving a
Speaker 1: little weather update right at the top of Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You notice I'm giving him a lot of leeway the
Speaker 1: fact that he was one of the founding members of
Speaker 1: the show, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get
Speaker 1: on him like I do for you for the weather report.
Speaker 1: I would hope that people can look and see behind us.
Speaker 1: It is a beautiful day. It's sunny, Yes, it's there.
Speaker 1: Are some, there are some who are not watching. That's right.
Speaker 1: I hope you watch mighte on the treadmill like Brian
Speaker 1: brought us was at six am this morning. You were there.
Speaker 1: You give me by a few minutes, just the thing
Speaker 1: that you guys get on every morning and shame me
Speaker 1: for not getting up and working out like I need
Speaker 1: do I need to join you at some point just
Speaker 1: to feel better. I saw you walking into the workout room. Yes,
Speaker 1: the restrooms in there. You know what I remember? Uh
Speaker 1: In Thousand Oaks, it got so hot one day in
Speaker 1: the afternoon watching practice, bunch of people start taking their
Speaker 1: shirts off, watching the media. People right, and had all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Tom Landry stops practice and he's got
Speaker 1: his bullhard and he goes shirts on at practice. And
Speaker 1: the one person I saw Scrabbley put her shirt on
Speaker 1: was Tech Shram. Tech said his shirt off. That was
Speaker 1: Those were the days when I can say that that's
Speaker 1: kind of the time when you always laugh about the
Speaker 1: You know, if you watch movies like eight Men Out
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, when they have these to travel
Speaker 1: with the team on the train and you know they're
Speaker 1: like drinking and smoking and hanging out with the players
Speaker 1: and stuff I meted. That was a lot of fun
Speaker 1: to cover the teams when you had that relationship with
Speaker 1: the general manager, the general manager standing on the sideline
Speaker 1: with you with his shirt off, and then you know
Speaker 1: later on in the day he's going to have a
Speaker 1: cocktail with you and kind of talk about his team,
Speaker 1: and you know that this have been a lot of
Speaker 1: fun covering teams of five o'clock club. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: used to have a little truck for the alcohol clip.
Speaker 1: They had a little room there um in the coach's
Speaker 1: dorm and uh they would set up the bar. Yeah
Speaker 1: and ever and the media people everybody was invited to
Speaker 1: go in and have a drink at five o'clock. Seriously, yes, God.
Speaker 1: The story real quick is if I can. I worked
Speaker 1: with Tech Shram really his last professional football I was
Speaker 1: with NFL europe World League of Yeah, that's my first
Speaker 1: real professional job. And and uh, mister Shram was he
Speaker 1: was part of the he ran the ran the league.
Speaker 1: And he came by my office my flight first day,
Speaker 1: knocked on where it says, Sun, we got a meeting
Speaker 1: at five o'clock. You need to be there for it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, sir, so you know, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of make it through my day. So four fifty five,
Speaker 1: I start start for the media for the room, and uh,
Speaker 1: I walk in and there's all these liquor bottles on
Speaker 1: the table. There's beer ice down over here and all that,
Speaker 1: and people start walking in. They're like, get your drink,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, get your drink, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're about to talk about our day. So that was
Speaker 1: Tex Schram's way of doing things. You had to have
Speaker 1: a cocktail and then talk about what you did for
Speaker 1: the day. You know, well, I met with the Sacramental
Speaker 1: Surge people there their training camp. You know. So you're
Speaker 1: but that was his way of getting everybody together instead
Speaker 1: of the emails or text messages or whatever. Nineteen ninety Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had to talk about what you did that day
Speaker 1: to everybody to get everybody on the same page. Man,
Speaker 1: you did it with a cocktail. It's pretty interesting. You know.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how many people in this league got we're
Speaker 1: part of that world like football, including the head coach
Speaker 1: of this football, San Antonio writers. Absolutely, yeah, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: was that. It was a It was a great experience
Speaker 1: though for a lot of guys, there's the guys that
Speaker 1: are all a lot of general managers that were scouts,
Speaker 1: young scouts. We were all really, you know, twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty four years old, and now we're all. Some of
Speaker 1: these guys are general managers. Like say Tom de Mitroff
Speaker 1: from the Falcons, was in an NFL Europe with me.
Speaker 1: He slept on my couch for a month. Now he's
Speaker 1: a general yeah, with great hair. You know. The funny
Speaker 1: thing about the it wasn't for the media, it was
Speaker 1: for their front office people. The same as what Brian saying.
Speaker 1: Scouts come in just in coaching, the scouts command and
Speaker 1: they just kind of beat It's an awesome way. That's
Speaker 1: an awesome way to operational and it's basically starting up
Speaker 1: again now. In fact, Daryl Johnston is part of the
Speaker 1: the American Alliance of Football or whatever Bill Poland. Bill
Speaker 1: Poland got their group and Daryl Johnston San Antonio, Santonio
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, which is going to start this coming sprawl
Speaker 1: the way that we've seen players John Lynch. I never
Speaker 1: believe that John Lynch would go into San Francisco, and hey,
Speaker 1: he's turned that team around, made some trades, had some
Speaker 1: good drafts. So that's what it is former players kind
Speaker 1: of getting involved getting an opportunity out for Daryl Johnston,
Speaker 1: by the way, sneaky guys, sneaky personnel t he'sing he
Speaker 1: likes to hang out scouts, he got aspirations for that. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm assuming he does now that his opportunity San
Speaker 1: Antonio franchise. You know, he's got a son who just
Speaker 1: got a college scholarship, a lacrosse scholarship to Michigan. So
Speaker 1: the kids are growing up and they're getting out of
Speaker 1: the house, and you know, he has is such a
Speaker 1: sharp mind for football. And you know, from a TV standpoint, yeah,
Speaker 1: it can satisfy what you staying in the game for
Speaker 1: a while. But I wouldn't at all be surprised to
Speaker 1: see Darryl Johnston follow the lead of a John Lynch
Speaker 1: and unfl front office maybe as a GM someday head
Speaker 1: coach come out of the one. You know. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: told us a story a couple days ago about how
Speaker 1: he did Arena football games before he got into coaching.
Speaker 1: He also did games for Fox. He did yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of Tampa Bay he was and he got a call
Speaker 1: in the broadcast booth when and I can't remember the
Speaker 1: specifics of it, but he had he had been in
Speaker 1: camp with Tampa Bay got cut and then I guess
Speaker 1: Troy got in the opportunity, probably um with Fox there.
Speaker 1: It was their F game or whatever game he f
Speaker 1: games F game you're doing broadcast. Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: And uh, Chris Simms was involved in this somehow. And
Speaker 1: maybe Chris Simms went down with an injury I don't remember.
Speaker 1: And so he gets a call at halftime he checks
Speaker 1: his phone at halftime of the game he was doing
Speaker 1: and they wanted to see if he come back. Yeah. Wow, right,
Speaker 1: So anyway, you know, you never know little known stories
Speaker 1: like that. By the way, this is the baseball trade
Speaker 1: deadline today, baseball. You talked about baseball in the last
Speaker 1: two days. Yeah, you've stopped the show now had Harry
Speaker 1: Carry yesterday, Tony Klaninger. But you hate baseball. I hate
Speaker 1: it's part of it. They trade off assets. A bad
Speaker 1: team has just a couple of assets, can they trade
Speaker 1: him off and you get worse. This is the earliest
Speaker 1: version of Vicky's been in White Sox. Yeah, the Rangers
Speaker 1: traded color the White Sox giving everybody away. Today that's happening.
Speaker 1: So now you get some starters, but then you gotta
Speaker 1: find it. You gotta go find out right now. And
Speaker 1: they had him through twenty twenty. They just gave up
Speaker 1: on the next couple of season close. This guy from
Speaker 1: the Pirates can pitch a little bit though supposely the
Speaker 1: guy that he's like class A ball though he's from
Speaker 1: Royce City, Texas. Like they got they got a player
Speaker 1: to be named later too. But the reason I brought
Speaker 1: that that's like a bat to be named later. The
Speaker 1: reason I brought this up is I'm going to throw
Speaker 1: out a football. Oh good. Trade deadline version of the
Speaker 1: baseball trade deadline a little bit later in the show.
Speaker 1: All right in the meantime, four nine seven forty four
Speaker 1: hundred is the number to call Mickey. We're not taking
Speaker 1: a break yet, Bill. Whatever you just did, it was
Speaker 1: brilliant offside to throw down his head set. Jerry, Jerry
Speaker 1: wouldn't been mad at me. I had my bad You're fine, man, Jerry,
Speaker 1: Jerry Madaline's always mad at me about my badge. There's
Speaker 1: a guy that watches a Bill. You'll get get ready, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll get You need to take them, Okay, Bill, don't worry.
Speaker 1: You're apologizing you see him. That's what I do. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, all right? So we enter week two of
Speaker 1: Cowboys training camp. What what shall we look forward to
Speaker 1: in a week two to kick things off? I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what it would have noticed. It doesn't look like
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of correction as far as guys
Speaker 1: asked Jason Garrett and the walk off about the mental capable,
Speaker 1: not the mental capabilities, but the way his team has
Speaker 1: handled things mentally. They're throwing a lot of stuff at
Speaker 1: these players. It looks like for the most part, they're
Speaker 1: hand I think there's only been a couple of times
Speaker 1: where I had a little bit questions about what players
Speaker 1: were doing. If you got a team that's not making
Speaker 1: a bunch of mistakes and you're running a lot of plays,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're doing things the right way. I think
Speaker 1: that's the best thing about it. If they were having
Speaker 1: to stop practice and say do it again, do it again,
Speaker 1: all that and then that kind of bogs things down.
Speaker 1: But these practices have been flowing pretty well. The young
Speaker 1: guys have been stepping up. The veteran guys have you know,
Speaker 1: have have kind of taken the young guys. And we
Speaker 1: talked about Tavon Austin a little bit and his jumping
Speaker 1: in there and encouraging the young guys he's working at.
Speaker 1: So week two, I you know you're gonna add on,
Speaker 1: we got a game next week. You know, we've got
Speaker 1: a preseason, so, you know, coaches are it's kind of
Speaker 1: running out of time a little bit in a way
Speaker 1: of the coaches saying, you know, okay, we're just we
Speaker 1: you know, get guys ready, you know, but when when
Speaker 1: the games start, man, those things come fast and there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of time. And if you're practicing well,
Speaker 1: that means you're gonna get reps during the game. And
Speaker 1: that's where I think that a lot of this is.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're having good reps, keep going on,
Speaker 1: keep going on, keep going That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: Who's having the good reps to get a lot of
Speaker 1: action next Thursday night when we're all there to by
Speaker 1: stating first season right, Amory this week and then they're
Speaker 1: off on Friday and then Saturday through Tuesday. Because that's
Speaker 1: how you're gonna make the team. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be making a practice. I mean practice part of
Speaker 1: it's good, but who the guys that are preparing, they're
Speaker 1: getting good reps in practice. All of sudden, now coaches
Speaker 1: are throwing them out there, you know, in the game
Speaker 1: situation because they want to see. Okay, good practice means
Speaker 1: potentially good games, especially at key spots like wide receiver
Speaker 1: and tight end where there are jobs certainly up for grabs. Um,
Speaker 1: who's more consistent? Two things I'm looking for. Some veterans
Speaker 1: have talked about, Look, the first couple of days in pads,
Speaker 1: you got you gotta show the young guys how to
Speaker 1: practice with intensity. And I think I think we'll see
Speaker 1: some more spirited practices, maybe some more intensity this week
Speaker 1: coming off the day off, where the young guys understand
Speaker 1: the level you have to play at in pads in
Speaker 1: training camp. They've just got an introduction the last couple
Speaker 1: of days. Introduction, last couple of days. The other thing
Speaker 1: is as oh bless you, mickey, all right there, God,
Speaker 1: those sneeze button off sides. There's two offsides or row
Speaker 1: for you. The other thing is can the defensive line
Speaker 1: match and respond to what the offensive line has done
Speaker 1: the first couple of days? And that's easier said than
Speaker 1: done when you've got three all pros Lyle Collins. Connor
Speaker 1: Williams's played as well as anybody has. He had a
Speaker 1: bad rep. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, he's been outstanding
Speaker 1: so far. And when you've got de Marcus Lawrence and
Speaker 1: Bubble Rap like he was right, But it's time for
Speaker 1: some of those guys to step up. If if you're
Speaker 1: if you're sitting there going we're gonna have this rotation
Speaker 1: up front, right, I need to see start seeing something
Speaker 1: from the defense and and and that that you know,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackles, let's go. You're getting an opportunity now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. David Irving. There's no MALIEK Collins and there's
Speaker 1: no David Irving for sure the first four games of
Speaker 1: the season. So need to need to start seeing something. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to judge the linebackers when you're
Speaker 1: not tackling, like all out tackle. That's their game, right,
Speaker 1: I can see if they're in the right spot, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times what they've been doing what the
Speaker 1: linebackers is kind of rushing them, right, If you guys
Speaker 1: have noticed that quite a bit. Jones star of talking
Speaker 1: to him the other night. He's excited about the prospects
Speaker 1: of Jaylen Smith Rush. Yeah, that's that's that to Mickey's point,
Speaker 1: they're they're bringing a lot more of those guys. Could
Speaker 1: this be the week we see Randy Gregory? You know,
Speaker 1: could we could this be the time? At one point?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you can go too many practices, kisskin.
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I was worried about them before.
Speaker 1: I was worried about the league holding him out of
Speaker 1: the Oxnard part of practices. So I'm thinking, okay, kind
Speaker 1: of a week to kind of get him acclimated, get
Speaker 1: him going. Yeah, I was just counting the days. I know,
Speaker 1: how about you. You were counting my left ear and
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I know he's counting
Speaker 1: over here. I get here him. I can't see him,
Speaker 1: but whisper. Yeah, how about how about Thursday? I was
Speaker 1: kind of thinking of a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday with the
Speaker 1: Friday off to kind of see now, so go ahead
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I'd like to see him there today.
Speaker 1: We're all gonna be a part of that. I love
Speaker 1: to call it the Blue White Scrimmage. I still call
Speaker 1: it Jack Murphy Stadium, and you know, San Diego, we're
Speaker 1: gonna call it the Blue White scrimmage that the Blue
Speaker 1: White scrimmage that we're all a part of. I'd like
Speaker 1: to see Randy Gregory gets some get some work. I
Speaker 1: know it's a practice, but I mean there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some one on one period and there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: period where the like the blue practice, where they're gonna
Speaker 1: throw Cooper Rush and Mike White, those guys out there,
Speaker 1: the receivers, the backup lineman. I'd like to see Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory get a little bit of the opportunity to get
Speaker 1: some of those live rushes where they're gonna maybe have
Speaker 1: you know, they'll have some tackling and and it's a
Speaker 1: little bit quick so for us to see that. When
Speaker 1: does he need to get out here on the field.
Speaker 1: Nicky was doing the maths in my left ear, and
Speaker 1: you're thinking Thursday him a practice and then a day
Speaker 1: days a day off when he comes back. Do you
Speaker 1: expect him to piecemeal him individual the first day or
Speaker 1: two and then work him into team or do you
Speaker 1: think they throw him right back in. I don't think
Speaker 1: he gets into team right away, but I think you
Speaker 1: can start doing some of the you know, individ dual drills. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something I can't carry your pads. Yeah, put the helmet.
Speaker 1: I wished it. I wish this morning when we have
Speaker 1: this walk through that's actually they go through, I'd like
Speaker 1: to see him get in there. If he gets in
Speaker 1: there a little bit at right defensive end this morning,
Speaker 1: that we're getting pretty close, right, We're getting pretty the
Speaker 1: minute they start minute all of a sudden that that
Speaker 1: he's taken reps with with Charles Tapper and with Dorian's
Speaker 1: Armstrong and those guys, then we'll know, okay, they were
Speaker 1: closer to we are. But I just don't want him
Speaker 1: to keep I don't want to miss in padded practices.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I want him out there, and I
Speaker 1: know they're trying to protect him. I get that he
Speaker 1: hadn't played football well, but man, he looks like he's
Speaker 1: in good shape. I mean physically, he looks like he's
Speaker 1: watching him work out. He doesn't labor when he's running
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, even if it means him
Speaker 1: even if he's uh, you know, doing all the individual
Speaker 1: stuff and then getting in there one out of every
Speaker 1: four plays, you know, getting an opportunity that would that
Speaker 1: would do me some good, right, I think we need
Speaker 1: to see him with the pads on and and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they will see here when they do the walkthrough,
Speaker 1: you know, in a little while. And then you know.
Speaker 1: The other thing is though I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: that he needs a jump right into the one on
Speaker 1: one pass for us churls and have Tyrn Smith put
Speaker 1: the big clamps on him. And what do you think
Speaker 1: the master plan is on getting him into a preseason game?
Speaker 1: Which one I think for the first first one, that's
Speaker 1: what I think. Yes, yes, okay, yes I do. If well,
Speaker 1: it depends on how quickly they get him right, which
Speaker 1: work you get him, he got to get him somewhere. Well,
Speaker 1: if he gets in the blue white on Sunday, then
Speaker 1: he's playing third. That's why. That's why I want him
Speaker 1: to practice three days, take a day off, and then
Speaker 1: now you've kind of been able by Friday, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: he's good to go. We can evaluate him even if
Speaker 1: he practices one day and say to the next three days,
Speaker 1: say they practice back to back and then the third
Speaker 1: day or the he practices today, skips tomorrow, practices the
Speaker 1: following day, and then gets the off day. If he
Speaker 1: just goes every other day, then you could probably get
Speaker 1: him into that blue white scrimmage where it's the world, yeah,
Speaker 1: where we're evaluating that last twenty minutes of practice, where
Speaker 1: and Bill goes, oh, here's Randy greg Oh nice move
Speaker 1: against Cam Fleming. There put Fleming in a bad spot.
Speaker 1: You know that. I want to see that a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's and that's that's the selfish side of me. But
Speaker 1: I think Randy Gregory wants to see that. I think
Speaker 1: Randy Gregor wants to get out there, and I think
Speaker 1: the front office wants to see it, and the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about after he sat out that whole
Speaker 1: season twenty sixteen, yeah, and then played in those last
Speaker 1: two games. Go look at his number the second game.
Speaker 1: I mean he had like five tackles, a couple pressures,
Speaker 1: I think one sack. Yeah, I mean it was eye opening. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then you find out, well, he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to play in the playoff playoffs, which they could
Speaker 1: have used him. Maybe absolutely, Oh yeah, most definitely. Maybe
Speaker 1: on the last play from scrimmy wouldn't be talking about
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't be talking Rob. Rob's about to give
Speaker 1: us a dose of reality. No, no, I just he
Speaker 1: brought up something interesting that I think people forget about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's missed eighteen months, he missed fourteen games before that.
Speaker 1: There's so much football that he's missed. And I'm with you, Brian.
Speaker 1: He wants to get back out there. The team needs
Speaker 1: to evaluate him. Yeah. Uh. My question is how quickly
Speaker 1: do you get in in there and how quickly do
Speaker 1: you say okay, he's ready to go full live tackle contact. Oh.
Speaker 1: These guys are really smart about that. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're a lot smarter than me. I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: doing radio with you guys talking about wanting to see
Speaker 1: him play. But you've been around it, you know how.
Speaker 1: I just but if they slow play this, Brian, I
Speaker 1: don't like it if they know it. But if they
Speaker 1: slow play it, then he's on the roster. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. Oh, no, I and I
Speaker 1: I've been all the point that I felt like play
Speaker 1: and then you want to evaluate. I want somebody to say,
Speaker 1: okay that you know what. He's clearly better than Charles Tapper.
Speaker 1: He's clearly better than Dorance Armstrong. He's clearly better than I.
Speaker 1: That's what I want. I want to I don't want him.
Speaker 1: I want him going into the season with the feeling
Speaker 1: that he came back and he earned his way onto
Speaker 1: this roster and that now now the story for him
Speaker 1: going into Carolina is I'm back playing football, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of being him's mind right now. Yeah, he is
Speaker 1: on the roster. Oh sure he is. Brian, this is
Speaker 1: the scout in Brian. You don't want a guy name
Speaker 1: one of these backup defensive ends that might be looking
Speaker 1: good so far to not have a job. Yeah, because okay,
Speaker 1: they want to spot for him, but maybe they haven't
Speaker 1: seen enough at this point. Con Cony Ealy in the
Speaker 1: first week of practice didn't really fire me up. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm watching, I'm thinking, Okay, I know Cony Eily is
Speaker 1: a better player. Now let's see what week two brings
Speaker 1: from Cony Eally. But I felt like there's been some
Speaker 1: better rushes from Dorian's Armstrong on you know Tapper and Tapper,
Speaker 1: Tapper playing the left side. So I want Randy Gregory.
Speaker 1: I want to feel good. I'm feeling good about Tapper,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good about arms Trunk first week, first week,
Speaker 1: and I want to I want to be able to
Speaker 1: throw Randy Agree in that mix. Because then if it says, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't see consistency from from Coney, ealy, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with these three young guys, let's go that kind of
Speaker 1: that's what that's what I want to see. I don't
Speaker 1: think his spot taco and there, I'll throw Taco and there.
Speaker 1: I know there was some back and forth there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think his spot on the roster depends on
Speaker 1: the other defensive ends. You know, you may go short
Speaker 1: in a different position and you just say, you know what,
Speaker 1: three three weeks, he's got a red shirt, but I'm
Speaker 1: carrying him on my fifty three. He might be inactive
Speaker 1: in the first couple of games. He's right, Bill's right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm I've got the attitude of I'd
Speaker 1: like to see him make the team, But like you said, Rob,
Speaker 1: I also want him. I want him going in if
Speaker 1: he makes the team, I want him to feel like
Speaker 1: that he did make this team. I want him to
Speaker 1: feel like that. Hey, you know, I'm getting out there.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm busting my rear, I'm getting some sacks, I'm
Speaker 1: getting some pressure. You know, he's capable of getting a
Speaker 1: sack of preseason game in that second half when some
Speaker 1: bad tackle or its playing there and you know it's
Speaker 1: trying to make the team, and he just exposes that guy.
Speaker 1: He's he's capable of doing it. And if he does that,
Speaker 1: then now you got this guy going into Carolina. It's
Speaker 1: feeling like, man, I've missed football so much, but here
Speaker 1: I go. I made the team. But if the organization
Speaker 1: has the mindset, and of course they're not going to
Speaker 1: tell him this, but if they'd half, if they but
Speaker 1: if they have the mindset, he's going to be on
Speaker 1: the roster. Then the game playing. Getting him ready for
Speaker 1: September ninth, right and what I was getting ready for
Speaker 1: August nine, you know what? And getting him ready, I've
Speaker 1: noticed it's it's not like guys coming back from injury
Speaker 1: they go work with Brown. Yeah, he's working with MIKEI.
Speaker 1: Weissick has taken interest in this kid and trying to
Speaker 1: get him in shape and you know, ready to play football.
Speaker 1: So I think this week will be telling what how
Speaker 1: they treat him this week and then we'll know where.
Speaker 1: Just let him be out there that walk through this morning.
Speaker 1: Please please let him, Please let him just play right
Speaker 1: in and get even with a white baseball hat on
Speaker 1: just let him feel what it's like to try and
Speaker 1: get to corner of Tyrant Smith or get to the
Speaker 1: corner of Camp Fleming. Just I just want to see
Speaker 1: him do all right, We take your phone calls, and
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Speaker 1: All right, Nathan in New Jersey, you are the leadoff
Speaker 1: hitter on this baseball trade deadline version of talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: We're great. So man, I'm a big Cowboys fan all
Speaker 1: the way from New Jersey, and I've been watching the
Speaker 1: training camp so far, and I'm liking what I'm seeing
Speaker 1: from van Or the linebacker, the rookie linebacker. I like
Speaker 1: him because he's leading. I think he's talking to the player.
Speaker 1: He's being vocal, and he's talking to his teams, and
Speaker 1: that's what that's good to hear and good to see you.
Speaker 1: So I think you can be another Sean Lee type
Speaker 1: of player in the future when Shaun Lee decides to retire, UM,
Speaker 1: I think Vandesh would take over with Jalen Smith and
Speaker 1: the other linebacker crew. And I'm liking what I see
Speaker 1: from the defense. Uh. And then you know what would
Speaker 1: be a good day today and a good trade that
Speaker 1: can try humph to trade airline today cowboys getting Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Very good rade for him? He
Speaker 1: went around the block question. Yeah. In fact, it's a
Speaker 1: perfect setup for the baseball trade deadline version of talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and that would be Earl Thomas trade. Okay, you're thinking
Speaker 1: about you just you're just letting trade a little. I
Speaker 1: saw a little debate today Seattle people, Dallas people, and
Speaker 1: in fact Archer I think he was participant. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and I remember who the Seattle writer was. But both
Speaker 1: of them came to the conclusion at the end of
Speaker 1: the conversation that they think it will happen. Yeah, Brian
Speaker 1: brought us still thinks it will happen. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that the fact that they were talking through the draft.
Speaker 1: Actually when they went on the phone at fifty, they
Speaker 1: were talking. And then when they got to the third round,
Speaker 1: Dallas called back and John Snider said, I think I'll
Speaker 1: just passed this time around. So yeah, I do believe
Speaker 1: that I've said this all along. The ball is clearly
Speaker 1: in Seattle's court. When they're ready to move on, they've
Speaker 1: got to determine what they want to do. But can
Speaker 1: I throw something in there real quick? And it really
Speaker 1: didn't have to do with Earl Thomas. If I understand
Speaker 1: what Earl Thomas would mean to this team, but I
Speaker 1: think a defensive tackle would mean more if there was somebody,
Speaker 1: If there was somebody, if there was Earl Thomas defensive
Speaker 1: tackle out there, a veteran guy that it's probably gonna
Speaker 1: cause of money, probably cost your premium pick, but a
Speaker 1: guy that you could immediately plug in with with you
Speaker 1: know nothing against jahad Ward and Dayton Jones and those guys.
Speaker 1: I think they've done the best they could. They're you know,
Speaker 1: they're working there. They're they're doing the right things. But
Speaker 1: I think if you gave me the opportunity to trade
Speaker 1: for a player, I need to find a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: more than I need to find Earl Thomas right now.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's a but I love the opportunity. I
Speaker 1: would love to have Earl Thomas on this football team.
Speaker 1: But if you said, Brian, go give me somebody that
Speaker 1: could help. Can I try and find you a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: How would somebody, how would you evaluate Xavier Woods through
Speaker 1: two practices? Because I know you watched him. I have
Speaker 1: because I know people in the organization are really high
Speaker 1: on his potential. Now does that stop you from trying
Speaker 1: to add another piece at that position? I would say,
Speaker 1: just like you said, a defensive tackle, throw names aside, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that big name aside. Yeah, they mean they may need
Speaker 1: to look at depth at safety anyway, especially with Cavan Yeah,
Speaker 1: still up in the air, his status coming back. I
Speaker 1: just you know, and go ahead about he asked you
Speaker 1: about Xavier Woods. I think he's been fine. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him called out acting like he didn't know what
Speaker 1: he was doing back there. It's not like nuss Meyer
Speaker 1: yelling in the middle of a after a play, Rico,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think he's been fine. And I
Speaker 1: think the kid is just mature beyond his years. Now again,
Speaker 1: you got to play, and I think he at least
Speaker 1: got to see him in a game or two before you.
Speaker 1: When when you brought that up, I was thinking, I
Speaker 1: want to trade for Randy White. Yeah, I want a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle at this point, now, are we jumping the gun?
Speaker 1: After two padded practices. I don't know, because you also
Speaker 1: got to take an account who they're going up against, right, Right,
Speaker 1: you're going up against three Pro bowlers in a potential fourth, right,
Speaker 1: But you look at the track record of the guys
Speaker 1: they have here, including jehad Ward who was a second around, right,
Speaker 1: but the Raiders gave up on him. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: that I'm down on those guys because I think I
Speaker 1: just I'm if he said what could help this team
Speaker 1: right now? Because the wide receivers are answering a lot
Speaker 1: of our questions, you know, every day. It's not like
Speaker 1: they're It's not like that four or five of them
Speaker 1: are having bad practices every day. It's two or three
Speaker 1: guys are practicing well. And even the guy that had
Speaker 1: a bad practice of the day has been pretty good throughout.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of feeling a little bit better about
Speaker 1: the wide receivers to week one again week one not
Speaker 1: you know, but the safety position to me, Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: I see a guy that has I wish he was
Speaker 1: just a little bit more instinctive. I wish he was
Speaker 1: a little bit more aware. I think there's times where
Speaker 1: he doesn't see it as quick as he needs him.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the experience that Mickey's asking for. Mickey's asking
Speaker 1: for him to playing games to get his those bloodied
Speaker 1: a little bit, to have to be involved. But I
Speaker 1: see a lot of players. I see a lot of
Speaker 1: player's being made and him being just a tick late.
Speaker 1: If he would have saw it, maybe a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: he could have helped h. You know, he could have
Speaker 1: helped Jordan Lewis, or he could have helped h Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: or he could have helped somebody, you know playing on
Speaker 1: The thinking about it is he's he was a sixth
Speaker 1: round draft pick and he's just going into his second year. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and but they they put a lot of weight on
Speaker 1: that wagon he's pulling, you know, and they've asked him
Speaker 1: to do some things because you know, Earl Thomas to
Speaker 1: me would be it would be a legendary move, But
Speaker 1: that would be a legendary move to make that because
Speaker 1: I'm worried, guys about this. I'm worried about the middle
Speaker 1: of this defense. And I'm not worried about so much
Speaker 1: I think vander esh or George or but I'm worried
Speaker 1: like the defensive tackle. I'm okay at Mike linebacker, but
Speaker 1: its safety. I have questions, and you tried to trade me.
Speaker 1: You tried to trade me, Earl Thomas. I love you
Speaker 1: for doing that, But can I interest you in a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle? Can I start there and maybe work my
Speaker 1: way because I think that when we're all talking about
Speaker 1: the safety's if Xavier Woods develops, we think about him
Speaker 1: being Okay, we don't know what's going to happen. It's
Speaker 1: that defensive tackle and Marinelli's defense. To me, the two
Speaker 1: most important position is the weak side linebacker and the
Speaker 1: three technique defensive tackle. Everything works off with those two
Speaker 1: spot right. And you can say, well, David Irvin will
Speaker 1: be back after four games, Willie, Well he hasn't even
Speaker 1: been Yeah, if you're not talking about him, you're talking
Speaker 1: about yeah. Yeah. Now I will say ward, they like
Speaker 1: him a lot, they do. He is a Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: type of tackle. Yeah, then it's time to see it. Now.
Speaker 1: This is just Bill's throwing out a trade scenario, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to say, Okay, if I could fix
Speaker 1: one piece right now, let me feel better about the
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, then I do feel better about the about
Speaker 1: the safety. It's even and think about it. Even if
Speaker 1: Irving comes back. Right, Even if Malik gets in there
Speaker 1: and plays the way they hope he does, then what
Speaker 1: do you have behind that? Right? Where's your rotation? Well?
Speaker 1: There are guys and look, if I'll feel a lot
Speaker 1: better if Malik gets back in a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: whatever whenever that is, that that will help out a lot,
Speaker 1: assuming he can stay healthy. Um, there are guys. They
Speaker 1: can move inside and rush situations, Nickel situations. You could
Speaker 1: do that with Tyron Crawford, you could do that with
Speaker 1: Coney eally. But who's playing the run? That's a good question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now they don't. Rod's never been a guy that loves
Speaker 1: the big, sloppy one technique playing. Rod's playing the run
Speaker 1: on the way to the past, right right. You know
Speaker 1: if johad Ward develops that when Irving comes back, you
Speaker 1: know he could always play yeah, the one technique. He's
Speaker 1: done that. And remember when they go to the three
Speaker 1: man line, he's been the guy in the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you know there's but I'm kind of with Brian
Speaker 1: on that one. Believe it or not. Is there time
Speaker 1: for me to change my opinion? So what do you
Speaker 1: think the urgency is in Seattle? To do? Some thing
Speaker 1: with Earl Thomas before the regular season starts. I think John,
Speaker 1: I think John doesn't want to answer any more questions
Speaker 1: about it. And again, John Snyder will not talk to
Speaker 1: me about Earl Thomas. He just won't. And you know,
Speaker 1: and because John knows I work for the team and
Speaker 1: anything he says to me, they'll probably thinking talking to
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, right, And that's not the case. And keep
Speaker 1: in minding. I always played the Seahawks the third game
Speaker 1: of the season, so I I you know, John, I
Speaker 1: don't believe has any intention as signing with an extension.
Speaker 1: He has no intention of doing that. Now John has
Speaker 1: to determine does he want the pick for two thousand
Speaker 1: nineteen or does he want to pick the compensatory in
Speaker 1: two twenty twenty. You know, that's where he has to think.
Speaker 1: They test Earl to see how long he will hold out.
Speaker 1: I've answered a lot of questions. Yeah, yeah, See, this
Speaker 1: is what when you're making ten eleven million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: you're not going to hold out on Prince right on principle,
Speaker 1: you're not going to do that if he was making
Speaker 1: if he was making money, say like Dak Prescott six
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a year. Absolutely, sit this thing out,
Speaker 1: let it go whatever. We'll find a lot of people
Speaker 1: think Seattle is gonna have a down year because they've
Speaker 1: lost Yeah, but they still got that quarterback. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: let's say, so, is it more likely if it works?
Speaker 1: I think I think more likely to happen before the
Speaker 1: season or at the trade deadline. I think this is
Speaker 1: something will happen before the season. If it's gonna happen
Speaker 1: at all. If if Seattle, Seattle has to make a determination,
Speaker 1: if they feel like that their safeties that are currently
Speaker 1: on their roster are kind of the safeties that they
Speaker 1: how they want to play it. You know, let's see
Speaker 1: what Seattle's first couple of preseason games look like. If
Speaker 1: it's a disaster back there, then they might be forced
Speaker 1: to give Earl Thomas an extension. You know, they might
Speaker 1: just say because they don't cam chancellors out for the years,
Speaker 1: so they've got whoever. Yeah, exactly. So I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like, though, if they if they like what they've
Speaker 1: seen with their young safeties, then it might be a
Speaker 1: little bit easier for them to move on from from Earl.
Speaker 1: The good thing about though, if the Dallas makes that trade.
Speaker 1: Earl to Thomas knows what's going on here scheme wise,
Speaker 1: and Chris Richard knows the player. And if and if
Speaker 1: I'm Jason Garrett, it's me being Jason Garrett, I would
Speaker 1: push the front office hard to Okay, give me. If
Speaker 1: you can't give me a defensive tackle, please give me
Speaker 1: a safety, Please give me this guy. And then they're
Speaker 1: evaluating their team right now here, and they're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out if Xavier Woods, in fact, that will make
Speaker 1: them not trade for Earl time and his play might
Speaker 1: determine not only if they do it, but if they
Speaker 1: do it, how much they're willing to give up to
Speaker 1: do it. Because it's not just the third round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the contract. Yeah it's to me, it's John. John
Speaker 1: Snyder is gonna get a third round pick out of this,
Speaker 1: no matter. John needs to shoot for at least a
Speaker 1: second round pick. He needs to because Dallas, if if,
Speaker 1: if all things turn out right and the Cowboys end
Speaker 1: up picking you know, everybody hopes Dallas picks thirty two. Well,
Speaker 1: let's say they pick twenty three. You know, that's still
Speaker 1: kind of a late pick in the you know, late
Speaker 1: pick in the in the in the in the round,
Speaker 1: So is that really a third round pick? You get
Speaker 1: the second round pick. I mean that's John's gonna determ
Speaker 1: me what he wants. Does he want the two now
Speaker 1: or the three two years from now? That's what he
Speaker 1: has to determin all right, Shannon in Kentucky, you're next
Speaker 1: up here on Talking Cowboys. Hello Shannon, good morning, gentlemen. Uh,
Speaker 1: you stomped all over my question to tackle. Uh. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of worried about that. Middle. We don't have that,
Speaker 1: as you guys call it, the trash camp full of
Speaker 1: dirt there. Yeah, thank you for listening. Middle. Uh. My
Speaker 1: question is maybe could the linebackers play a bigger role
Speaker 1: because I feel like we got good pressure three techniques,
Speaker 1: but that one technique I'm still worried about. And kind
Speaker 1: of a second question. I agree with Mickey. Everybody forgets
Speaker 1: about the good year. Just Dak put up in the beginning.
Speaker 1: Maybe you guys could point out some of the things
Speaker 1: you thought he did well last year and not so
Speaker 1: much the bad up and listen. Thank you. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: let's hold Deak for their next segment. Okay, one technique
Speaker 1: Malay Collins with two healthy feet I think can do
Speaker 1: it absolutely and and everybody needs to remember last year
Speaker 1: he played through that stress fracture that needed surgery at
Speaker 1: the end of the seat. Yeah, he wasn't quite himself,
Speaker 1: was not. Shannon the Caller brought up a good point though.
Speaker 1: It's something Jerry said after the draft after they selected
Speaker 1: vander esh. Having a big linebacker like that, big middle
Speaker 1: linebacker can help cover up some things in the middle
Speaker 1: of your defensive front. That being said, I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 1: I mean the depth. You look at the depth right now,
Speaker 1: and it's an issue. It's it's it's it's it's an unknown.
Speaker 1: I'll say that for sure. You know, if you if
Speaker 1: you're hoping on Lewis Neil and Daniel Ross, You're you're
Speaker 1: you're probably just you're You're probably not. That's probably not
Speaker 1: the best avenue to go. No, no disrespect to either
Speaker 1: one of those players, but to me, both of those
Speaker 1: guys would be like rotational, probably inactive guys every week.
Speaker 1: If you had a couple of good guys in front
Speaker 1: of him, those guys would be yeah, on your rostered
Speaker 1: fifty three, but they wouldn't be active for any of
Speaker 1: your games. And you don't want those guys having to
Speaker 1: play thirty thirty five snaps a game, you know, having
Speaker 1: to deal with that, because if that's the case, Layton
Speaker 1: vander esh and Jalen Smith are going to be fighting
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Speaker 1: Nard as this is day number nine for me. I
Speaker 1: got your last Monday. I think that Dad so well.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, day number nine, day number eight for the
Speaker 1: rest of you. I'm a days the press of the way.
Speaker 1: We had laundry talk during the break. I did my
Speaker 1: laundry yesterday. We got clean clothes and Brian had a
Speaker 1: better way of doing this laundry. I actually went to
Speaker 1: a laundry mat. I went to a laundry mat. And
Speaker 1: you actually, like a high end TV guy like like Bill,
Speaker 1: you could actually drop it off. They'll do it for
Speaker 1: you and fold it if you just pay a little
Speaker 1: bit extra. But you just go in there. But get
Speaker 1: CBS eleven to pay for that or not. You know
Speaker 1: what it might be saluted. It might be how much
Speaker 1: is it? Tell them you're certain pound, a certain amount
Speaker 1: of pound. Yeah, so you go out about Yeah, so
Speaker 1: maybe it's like I got thirty pounds of clothes here.
Speaker 1: Well it might be. Then you don't need to watch
Speaker 1: did you watch? Did you know I brought? I brought
Speaker 1: ten pairs of everything? Ten? That's a TV guy all
Speaker 1: the way too, ten pairs of everything. And so here
Speaker 1: we are, day number nine. It's getting close. So ken
Speaker 1: that Carolina Panther look today. Didn't yet you know when
Speaker 1: I was younger and I found a place where they
Speaker 1: would do that. Oh, washing fold, Yeah, the best investment,
Speaker 1: it is. Washingtfold is a tremendous I did it myself yesterday,
Speaker 1: but because I was doing like, say for me and
Speaker 1: been it so I used to just doing my own.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you just want to drop off at
Speaker 1: the end of the day pick up, it is might
Speaker 1: be worth the extra fifteen bucks here because I don't
Speaker 1: even fold after I wash. Yeah, they know, they make
Speaker 1: it nice. They it's all square. Just gonna put it
Speaker 1: in the end, all right. Here's another question for you
Speaker 1: do you have, uh, the maids come in and do
Speaker 1: anything with your room when you're when you are at
Speaker 1: a hotel for a extended steak. What do you mean?
Speaker 1: What do you mean I've cleaned your room? Aside from
Speaker 1: when they just come? Don't they come every day? They
Speaker 1: do come every day. I have my I have my
Speaker 1: do not disturb. I never have a maid come in
Speaker 1: my room. Really, I never. You don't like clean sheets
Speaker 1: because I got stuff all over that room. And if
Speaker 1: hang on, hang on, if someone comes in and disturbs
Speaker 1: your arc starts cleaning up my room, then I won't
Speaker 1: be able to find that fresh fresh towels towel. I
Speaker 1: got fresh towels yesterday. He was away hallway and so
Speaker 1: I just exchanged my towels out. Well, that is like
Speaker 1: OCD man. Okay, let me ask you this. I love
Speaker 1: you get a fresh towel every day at home? No, no,
Speaker 1: not every day. So there you go. But if I
Speaker 1: getting and wash it, if somebody's gonna hand it to
Speaker 1: me and wash it for me, and just yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: take it. I don't want him coming in my room. Wow. Why, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm a bill on this one. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: all about the non snooping around no matter who you
Speaker 1: want snooping. But I've got my stuff all over. It's
Speaker 1: about being organized. I wish we had this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we bill a psycho? Yes, no, maybe all right, twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. We don't have a question about Dak from
Speaker 1: Shannon in Kentucky. We did a moment ago and I
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what the question was about Dad. What
Speaker 1: he what he thought we Dak did good? That was
Speaker 1: the question. Some of the things we thought that last year,
Speaker 1: what Dak did. There's been a lot of negativity about
Speaker 1: Dak and maybe a lot of blame undue blame about
Speaker 1: some of the stuff. He was at fault for some
Speaker 1: of the things, maybe not all of it. But that
Speaker 1: was the question. Is there some positive things that you
Speaker 1: could think about that you saw from Dak from year
Speaker 1: one to year two. I thought he did a much
Speaker 1: better job at the line of scrimmage, recognizing taking command,
Speaker 1: recognizing what the defense was doing, and getting them into
Speaker 1: the right play more so than he did because I
Speaker 1: think his rookie year he was just going to the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and they're running to play. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I remember a little bit more checking on telling
Speaker 1: me that, Like when they were doing all the verbal
Speaker 1: stuff at the line of scrimmage, it was like BSh.
Speaker 1: And this time I think they were actually changing things.
Speaker 1: So I think he had a better command of that,
Speaker 1: you know, and I and I and people forget and
Speaker 1: I see when people want to criticize him. Right away.
Speaker 1: It was thirteen interceptions, you know, four of him went
Speaker 1: off his guy's hands into interceptions. Let's catch the ball.
Speaker 1: And when you're playing from behind in games, you're am
Speaker 1: more interest because you're gonna take chances. And that's what
Speaker 1: he spoke about the other day. He said, I made
Speaker 1: too many mistakes where in a way I tried to
Speaker 1: do too much, and some of it had to do
Speaker 1: with guys around him that were missing, especially that last
Speaker 1: half of the season. Knows, zeke way more pressure in
Speaker 1: his face the last eight games without tiring for most
Speaker 1: of them, ridiculously more and uh and he tried to
Speaker 1: force things down the field and they were playing from
Speaker 1: behind more. The best thing he did in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: was just take what's there, you know, at three interceptions.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really incredible what he did. You
Speaker 1: knew he was going to have more than more than
Speaker 1: that last year. But he felt like he forced some
Speaker 1: things last year. Yeah, I that both of them hit
Speaker 1: some really good points. I think that this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound terrible. The good thing he did that he survived
Speaker 1: the experiences that he had last year, that he you
Speaker 1: know that he knows. I think that sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: we always talk, we talk about, you know, things if
Speaker 1: you have a bad patch of or bad stretch, but
Speaker 1: you live to tell about him. The best thing he
Speaker 1: did was now he's lived to tell about him, and
Speaker 1: he can he can adjust on the trying not to
Speaker 1: force it or hey, I need to be a little
Speaker 1: bit better, you know, when I'm communicating with the team,
Speaker 1: getting us in and out of better plays. So I
Speaker 1: you know, I think out here, I like what I've
Speaker 1: seen from Dak Prescott. I'm not saying he's I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's just one of those things. He's like every
Speaker 1: play has been a wild play. But I have seen
Speaker 1: some touch. I've had seems throwing the ball well on
Speaker 1: the move. I've seen him throwing well from the pocket.
Speaker 1: You know, it looks like though when he's involved, the
Speaker 1: team does move the football there. It's been some good
Speaker 1: touch down the field. Stuff. Yeah, he had the one
Speaker 1: interception the other day, but I think that that's something
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, I know some of the one on
Speaker 1: one driols that they've been doing. Though, as far as
Speaker 1: with the receivers, he's throwing the ball far enough, he knows, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to short this ball anymore. He's starting
Speaker 1: to throw it out there. So hopefully he'll see some
Speaker 1: more plays for him down the field, more big plays
Speaker 1: in that regard. And to go on what Brian said
Speaker 1: that there was some adversity. Yeah, and he didn't shrink.
Speaker 1: That's that's that he didn't change, That's what I said.
Speaker 1: He didn't change who he was in that loss. He survived.
Speaker 1: And if you remember what Parcels would always say, what
Speaker 1: happens when you have a three interception game. You're getting
Speaker 1: your face beat in? And do you come back the
Speaker 1: next day in practice and and and play like you
Speaker 1: just think about how miserable things were there in November
Speaker 1: when Zeke was out in that I said about to
Speaker 1: say San Diego the church, Yeah, no, Tyrant Smith took
Speaker 1: and he took all the bullets. Well, yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: that's what he was the one that stood up in
Speaker 1: the press by I'm glad you guys said that, because
Speaker 1: I just remember sitting there with Nate and Lindsey Draper
Speaker 1: and and every time I'm like, and he's the one
Speaker 1: guy that has to go up there and say it
Speaker 1: was my fault today it was my No, it wasn't
Speaker 1: your fault that Philip rivers through for five hundred yards today.
Speaker 1: That wasn't your fault, you know. But hey, not not
Speaker 1: all the blame. Some of the blame. I'm not all
Speaker 1: the blame. But like I said, I'm glad he survived
Speaker 1: that to play another day. One day, one day in
Speaker 1: the locker room, after everybody moved, now, I was still
Speaker 1: standing there by him, and he goes, what are you
Speaker 1: doing still here? I said, I'm looking for stab wounds
Speaker 1: and he goes, what do you mean stab wounds? I said,
Speaker 1: you've fallen on your sword so many times. I'm looking
Speaker 1: to where you're bleeding. And I go, I know what
Speaker 1: you're doing just like that, And he just looked at
Speaker 1: me and smiled and walked off. He knew that's what
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. What quarterbacks do. The other thing to keep
Speaker 1: in perspective about season is they with all the troubles
Speaker 1: that they had and thing the cloud hanging over the
Speaker 1: whole season. They still went nine and seven. Right, it's
Speaker 1: not that far away from playoff teams. They were win
Speaker 1: over Atlanta from going to the playoffs. All right, Cameron
Speaker 1: in California, your next up here on Talking Cowboys. Good morning, guys.
Speaker 1: You gotta doing great, very good. First of all, I
Speaker 1: want to say thanks for all the Twitter updates and
Speaker 1: keeping us all informed on camp injuries and what's going
Speaker 1: on practice on us. Thanks for all that's good information.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Um For me, the Earl Thomas thing back
Speaker 1: to Earld thomasing is a no brainer. I mean you're
Speaker 1: talking one of the top safeties in the league when healthy,
Speaker 1: along with Sean Lee back there. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: to me that's a no brainer, along with the DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence being, you know, a top three pasticher in the league.
Speaker 1: Any time is now to do it. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: do with Arrold Thomas, the time is now. He's only
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old. He probably has a good three
Speaker 1: or four years left to him. Twenty nine, I think
Speaker 1: twenty nine, Yeah, I think he has. The time is now.
Speaker 1: If you want to win dal now, I mean why wait,
Speaker 1: you know. And my second question is for you guys,
Speaker 1: is uh, who looks the best as far as undrafted
Speaker 1: free agents out there, rookies? Who do he has the
Speaker 1: best chance to make the team? A good question because
Speaker 1: every year it's somebody makes it. Oh, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a guy, but it's harder to die decipher this year,
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. But does Donovan Olumba? Yeah? I wrote
Speaker 1: about him as one of my camp players the other
Speaker 1: day and I you know what I like. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a cornerback and he is a long rangee and I
Speaker 1: always stay long and range together, but he is and
Speaker 1: he had a really he's had some practices where it
Speaker 1: felt like though that they're throwing him out there more,
Speaker 1: letting him do some things. He's like, say, his length
Speaker 1: helps him in the way he can cover. The movement
Speaker 1: skills has been pretty good. They played him on the
Speaker 1: right side, they played him on the left side. So
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a young guy that's gonna be
Speaker 1: out there a ton, I guarantee you Bill Jones is
Speaker 1: gonna say his name hopefully six two one. He looks
Speaker 1: a lot. If the old thirty two looked like that,
Speaker 1: he'd probably still be here. But he's a Christopher Shark
Speaker 1: kind of corn. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Though he's
Speaker 1: the old thirty two. Looked like that he would have
Speaker 1: been in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, exactly that. I just
Speaker 1: if you talk about guys, I think that he's done.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit easier to see guys like that
Speaker 1: than is. I'll tell you another one. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a guy, Bryce Johnson, and he's number sixty one. He's
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. He's a rookie Saint Cloud State. Okay,
Speaker 1: he on the offensive side. He doesn't look like the
Speaker 1: game's too big for him. I mean, I've seen him
Speaker 1: when they put him in there. If some of the
Speaker 1: one on one stuff that he's been able to do him.
Speaker 1: Also Jacob Campos sixty three. I wasn't very high on
Speaker 1: Jacob Campos coming out of Iowa, stated I thought he
Speaker 1: was slow footed, you know, you know, kind of cumbersome
Speaker 1: the way he played. But those guys are looking pretty
Speaker 1: good moving around. If you want to talk about some
Speaker 1: young offensive lineman, probably practice squad type guys. But if
Speaker 1: you want my guy, my potential fifty third guy, that
Speaker 1: Alumbo is a guy that I think could maybe sneak
Speaker 1: in there if you don't like much like what Duke
Speaker 1: Thomas did last year until he got hurt, you know,
Speaker 1: and he had a chance to make the team. He'd
Speaker 1: made the team and then he gets hurt. But keep
Speaker 1: an eye on a six two one ninety pound corner
Speaker 1: that's got some coverability to him. You know. The other
Speaker 1: thing keep in mind as we go through the preseason is, Okay,
Speaker 1: we focus on who's gonna make the fifty three man
Speaker 1: roster and then a practice squad or whatever. But how
Speaker 1: many players does an NFL team use in a given season.
Speaker 1: So many of these guys who get cut on September second,
Speaker 1: or whatever date it is, they're gonna be playing in
Speaker 1: an NFL game this season, or they will be on
Speaker 1: the on the fifty three man roster at a certain
Speaker 1: point this season, maybe in November or whatever. And so
Speaker 1: the first opportunity that we'll have to see somebody else
Speaker 1: other than our other guy in our guys is in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. You'll sit down and like, you know, like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: San Francisco's gonna oh they cut that guy. Well, remember
Speaker 1: how he played against you know, you know, so not
Speaker 1: only Donamond Olumbo might if he doesn't make it here,
Speaker 1: someone might say waiting Portland State film was good. We
Speaker 1: saw him in preseason. He was a guy well Dallas
Speaker 1: somehow parted with him. That's why we say keep an
Speaker 1: eye on teams with new coaches because they'll make mistakes.
Speaker 1: That's why we say when we get to September first,
Speaker 1: it's not the final roster because there will always be
Speaker 1: a change. There'll be a guy that's claimed, or a
Speaker 1: trade or something will happen. Does lance Lenarc qualify I
Speaker 1: think lance Lenor would be. But if you said him
Speaker 1: last year at this time, I think that's a qualify.
Speaker 1: But he has a good you're not wrong about that.
Speaker 1: And the quarterback likes him a lot, which is important
Speaker 1: that carry some weight, right quarterbacks. Those receivers just haven't
Speaker 1: been terrible. I thought there was gonna be some struggle,
Speaker 1: but we've seen them. We've seen them fight against George
Speaker 1: Lewis and fight against a Woozier you know, and makes
Speaker 1: some play. Alan Hearns making some plays that Mickey mentioned
Speaker 1: lancelor had. I thought Lanceor's practice on Sunday was the
Speaker 1: best practice he's had since he's been here. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a hard time cutting. Say that, I
Speaker 1: would say, somebody hurt. No, just it's it's never true.
Speaker 1: It's never true. It's never It all takes care of itself.
Speaker 1: It takes care of itself. No, say it always does.
Speaker 1: They've got like eight guys. I think that they could
Speaker 1: thank you. That's better with people say, oh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a hard cut. No, it isn't, because guys
Speaker 1: play themselves on and off the roster and guys get hurt. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson's a guy that he's kind of behind the
Speaker 1: eight ball. Now. We don't know how much time he's
Speaker 1: gonna miss. He's a guy that might have had a shot.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his chances are. You would hope,
Speaker 1: you would hope he was Yeah Noah Brown, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. That's you can't have that if you're Noah Brown.
Speaker 1: And they could talk about Noah Brown and special teams
Speaker 1: and this that and the other man. I need to
Speaker 1: know a Brown plan. I need him, Randy Gregor, I
Speaker 1: need all these guys playing. I just that's I don't
Speaker 1: you know. I don't want to see these guys not
Speaker 1: be able to have the opportunity to have success on
Speaker 1: this football team. The other thing that I like about
Speaker 1: the fact that you have cited two college pre agents
Speaker 1: of the offensive line as as guys who have caught
Speaker 1: your eye here early in camp, is maybe that offensive
Speaker 1: line will be good enough to where we can make
Speaker 1: an observation about the backup quarterbacks. That's always my hope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I determine what they can do. I need This is
Speaker 1: where I need though, with this offensive line. I need
Speaker 1: Joe Looney to be at his absolute best. I need uh.
Speaker 1: I also need Cam Flemming to be at his absolute best.
Speaker 1: Marcus Martin could Deem Edwards. If Chaz Green gets an opportunity,
Speaker 1: I need him to be Chads Green in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: I need those guys to be able to hold up
Speaker 1: against some you know, if if proponents the Arizonas and
Speaker 1: and Cincinnatis and those guys, I need them to hold
Speaker 1: up so I can, like you said, Bill, evaluate my quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: evaluate my running game, but also evaluate some of my
Speaker 1: wide receiver Right right now, who's the backup guard, Joe Looney,
Speaker 1: I think backup center and guard, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go light at offensive line. Myself
Speaker 1: light being I don't I think they're going that's my guest,
Speaker 1: my guests. Would you don't think Marcus Martin is a
Speaker 1: backup guard? I think he is. I think he's a
Speaker 1: backup guard. But I'm worried about step. Yeah, if Marcus
Speaker 1: Martin makes his team, he'll be the ninth guy. That's
Speaker 1: just my opinion. But wouldn't you You've got guy to
Speaker 1: be a young guy like you just two guys, well,
Speaker 1: Marcus Martin, Marcus Martin is not a Yeah, I see
Speaker 1: where you're going this. Yeah, Marcus Martin, I didn't know
Speaker 1: he was a five year guy. Well you got you're
Speaker 1: starting five You've got said, I know, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: He's a young guy though he like started as a
Speaker 1: seventeen year old at US. Well, yeah, came out early.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was a five year guy though.
Speaker 1: That that's kind of kind of one of those things.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if if if one of those young guys,
Speaker 1: I can said, if one of those guys does develop,
Speaker 1: if a Bryce Johnson or or even Dustin Stanton number
Speaker 1: sixty seven, you know, I mean those guys you'd love
Speaker 1: position the guys that you cided to to me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, Bryce Johnson's a tackle. Compost is a tackle,
Speaker 1: and Stanton's really a true a true guard. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, but maybe you could. I know he did
Speaker 1: some stuff with the OTAs they tried to snap him
Speaker 1: in the ball. They couldn't get the snap right, So
Speaker 1: probably looking at it, just just strictly a guard, right,
Speaker 1: But to keep one, you'd have to go nine, right,
Speaker 1: you'd have to go ahead if you want to keep nine.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's maybe there's a guy at the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a guy the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that they're
Speaker 1: gonna try and sneak through. That's better than one of
Speaker 1: these guys. We tend to fall in love with our
Speaker 1: own guys. I hate that. I hate falling in love.
Speaker 1: And maybe haybe they'll they'll tell Chaz Green to start
Speaker 1: drinking some gatorade. He's right about how can a guy
Speaker 1: that's right? Probably University of Florida, that is, there's never
Speaker 1: been a true statement made than that were they discovered
Speaker 1: gatorade and he keeps getting dehydrant. All right? That does
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