WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Hypothetical Trade Deadline 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.360 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:17.759 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.599 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:32.800 Star in Frisco, SAT. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:38.440 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. It is seventy one degrees 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:43.640 on a sun splash Tuesday morning here in Oxnard, California, 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.159 with a high of seventy nine this afternoon when the 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.919 Dallas Cowboys hit the practice field for their third padded 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.840 practice of this twenty eighteen Dallas Cowboys training camp. And 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:59.320 welcome to Talking Cowboys. Mickey, you were in Thousand Oaks. 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.960 This kind of feels like a Thousand Oaks kind of morning, 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.480 sure does. And Bills after my own heart giving a 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.360 little weather update right at the top of Talking Cowboys. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.480 You notice I'm giving him a lot of leeway the 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.440 fact that he was one of the founding members of 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.000 the show, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.160 on him like I do for you for the weather report. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.240 I would hope that people can look and see behind us. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.720 It is a beautiful day. It's sunny, Yes, it's there. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:29.319 Are some, there are some who are not watching. That's right. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.200 I hope you watch mighte on the treadmill like Brian 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.119 brought us was at six am this morning. You were there. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.080 You give me by a few minutes, just the thing 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.840 that you guys get on every morning and shame me 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.000 for not getting up and working out like I need 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.920 do I need to join you at some point just 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.960 to feel better. I saw you walking into the workout room. Yes, 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:55.080 the restrooms in there. You know what I remember? Uh 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.720 In Thousand Oaks, it got so hot one day in 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.400 the afternoon watching practice, bunch of people start taking their 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:07.080 shirts off, watching the media. People right, and had all 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:12.639 of a sudden, Tom Landry stops practice and he's got 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:18.400 his bullhard and he goes shirts on at practice. And 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.880 the one person I saw Scrabbley put her shirt on 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:27.640 was Tech Shram. Tech said his shirt off. That was 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.600 Those were the days when I can say that that's 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.520 kind of the time when you always laugh about the 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.360 You know, if you watch movies like eight Men Out 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.040 and stuff like that, when they have these to travel 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.399 with the team on the train and you know they're 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.680 like drinking and smoking and hanging out with the players 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.240 and stuff I meted. That was a lot of fun 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.760 to cover the teams when you had that relationship with 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.200 the general manager, the general manager standing on the sideline 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.320 with you with his shirt off, and then you know 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.120 later on in the day he's going to have a 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.640 cocktail with you and kind of talk about his team, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.720 and you know that this have been a lot of 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.040 fun covering teams of five o'clock club. Yeah. Yeah, I 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.200 used to have a little truck for the alcohol clip. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.960 They had a little room there um in the coach's 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.600 dorm and uh they would set up the bar. Yeah 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.440 and ever and the media people everybody was invited to 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.760 go in and have a drink at five o'clock. Seriously, yes, God. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.120 The story real quick is if I can. I worked 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.960 with Tech Shram really his last professional football I was 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:34.480 with NFL europe World League of Yeah, that's my first 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:39.600 real professional job. And and uh, mister Shram was he 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.400 was part of the he ran the ran the league. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.800 And he came by my office my flight first day, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.240 knocked on where it says, Sun, we got a meeting 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:48.960 at five o'clock. You need to be there for it. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.320 I'm like, yes, sir, so you know, and I just 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.800 kind of make it through my day. So four fifty five, 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.240 I start start for the media for the room, and uh, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.480 I walk in and there's all these liquor bottles on 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.200 the table. There's beer ice down over here and all that, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.520 and people start walking in. They're like, get your drink, 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.640 and I'm like, get your drink, and he's like, yeah, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.840 we're about to talk about our day. So that was 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.600 Tex Schram's way of doing things. You had to have 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.320 a cocktail and then talk about what you did for 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.960 the day. You know, well, I met with the Sacramental 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.880 Surge people there their training camp. You know. So you're 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.680 but that was his way of getting everybody together instead 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:29.360 of the emails or text messages or whatever. Nineteen ninety Yeah, 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.640 you had to talk about what you did that day 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.000 to everybody to get everybody on the same page. Man, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.000 you did it with a cocktail. It's pretty interesting. You know. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:41.040 It's amazing how many people in this league got we're 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.280 part of that world like football, including the head coach 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:48.040 of this football, San Antonio writers. Absolutely, yeah, Jason Garrett 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.120 was that. It was a It was a great experience 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.800 though for a lot of guys, there's the guys that 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.000 are all a lot of general managers that were scouts, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.800 young scouts. We were all really, you know, twenty three, 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.160 twenty four years old, and now we're all. Some of 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.640 these guys are general managers. Like say Tom de Mitroff 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.240 from the Falcons, was in an NFL Europe with me. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.320 He slept on my couch for a month. Now he's 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.719 a general yeah, with great hair. You know. The funny 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.520 thing about the it wasn't for the media, it was 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.400 for their front office people. The same as what Brian saying. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.680 Scouts come in just in coaching, the scouts command and 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.760 they just kind of beat It's an awesome way. That's 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.840 an awesome way to operational and it's basically starting up 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.239 again now. In fact, Daryl Johnston is part of the 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.080 the American Alliance of Football or whatever Bill Poland. Bill 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:35.120 Poland got their group and Daryl Johnston San Antonio, Santonio 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.320 absolutely yeah, which is going to start this coming sprawl 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.720 the way that we've seen players John Lynch. I never 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.479 believe that John Lynch would go into San Francisco, and hey, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.960 he's turned that team around, made some trades, had some 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.360 good drafts. So that's what it is former players kind 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.960 of getting involved getting an opportunity out for Daryl Johnston, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.880 by the way, sneaky guys, sneaky personnel t he'sing he 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.600 likes to hang out scouts, he got aspirations for that. Well, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.680 I'm I'm assuming he does now that his opportunity San 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.640 Antonio franchise. You know, he's got a son who just 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.960 got a college scholarship, a lacrosse scholarship to Michigan. So 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.640 the kids are growing up and they're getting out of 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.480 the house, and you know, he has is such a 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:20.840 sharp mind for football. And you know, from a TV standpoint, yeah, 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:25.680 it can satisfy what you staying in the game for 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.479 a while. But I wouldn't at all be surprised to 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.119 see Darryl Johnston follow the lead of a John Lynch 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:37.200 and unfl front office maybe as a GM someday head 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:42.040 coach come out of the one. You know. Jason Garrett 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.640 told us a story a couple days ago about how 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.480 he did Arena football games before he got into coaching. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.920 He also did games for Fox. He did yeah, kind 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.120 of Tampa Bay he was and he got a call 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.880 in the broadcast booth when and I can't remember the 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.200 specifics of it, but he had he had been in 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.240 camp with Tampa Bay got cut and then I guess 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.479 Troy got in the opportunity, probably um with Fox there. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:12.240 It was their F game or whatever game he f 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.720 games F game you're doing broadcast. Nothing wrong with that. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.680 And uh, Chris Simms was involved in this somehow. And 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.600 maybe Chris Simms went down with an injury I don't remember. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.119 And so he gets a call at halftime he checks 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:27.920 his phone at halftime of the game he was doing 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.600 and they wanted to see if he come back. Yeah. Wow, right, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:35.640 So anyway, you know, you never know little known stories 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.280 like that. By the way, this is the baseball trade 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:43.440 deadline today, baseball. You talked about baseball in the last 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:48.320 two days. Yeah, you've stopped the show now had Harry 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.880 Carry yesterday, Tony Klaninger. But you hate baseball. I hate 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:57.240 it's part of it. They trade off assets. A bad 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.640 team has just a couple of assets, can they trade 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.760 him off and you get worse. This is the earliest 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:08.480 version of Vicky's been in White Sox. Yeah, the Rangers 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.160 traded color the White Sox giving everybody away. Today that's happening. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.640 So now you get some starters, but then you gotta 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:19.080 find it. You gotta go find out right now. And 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.240 they had him through twenty twenty. They just gave up 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.360 on the next couple of season close. This guy from 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.280 the Pirates can pitch a little bit though supposely the 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.560 guy that he's like class A ball though he's from 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.960 Royce City, Texas. Like they got they got a player 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.360 to be named later too. But the reason I brought 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.920 that that's like a bat to be named later. The 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.240 reason I brought this up is I'm going to throw 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:45.719 out a football. Oh good. Trade deadline version of the 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.440 baseball trade deadline a little bit later in the show. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:53.640 All right in the meantime, four nine seven forty four 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.160 hundred is the number to call Mickey. We're not taking 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:01.800 a break yet, Bill. Whatever you just did, it was 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:08.640 brilliant offside to throw down his head set. Jerry, Jerry 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.680 wouldn't been mad at me. I had my bad You're fine, man, Jerry, 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.440 Jerry Madaline's always mad at me about my badge. There's 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.520 a guy that watches a Bill. You'll get get ready, Yeah, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.960 you'll get You need to take them, Okay, Bill, don't worry. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.960 You're apologizing you see him. That's what I do. Okay, 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.319 all right, all right? So we enter week two of 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.800 Cowboys training camp. What what shall we look forward to 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.480 in a week two to kick things off? I'll tell 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.400 you what it would have noticed. It doesn't look like 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.800 there's been a lot of correction as far as guys 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.439 asked Jason Garrett and the walk off about the mental capable, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.640 not the mental capabilities, but the way his team has 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.640 handled things mentally. They're throwing a lot of stuff at 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.240 these players. It looks like for the most part, they're 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:52.840 hand I think there's only been a couple of times 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.960 where I had a little bit questions about what players 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.320 were doing. If you got a team that's not making 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.720 a bunch of mistakes and you're running a lot of plays, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.280 you're you're you're doing things the right way. I think 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.160 that's the best thing about it. If they were having 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.720 to stop practice and say do it again, do it again, 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.360 all that and then that kind of bogs things down. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.720 But these practices have been flowing pretty well. The young 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.800 guys have been stepping up. The veteran guys have you know, 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.280 have have kind of taken the young guys. And we 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.520 talked about Tavon Austin a little bit and his jumping 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.679 in there and encouraging the young guys he's working at. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.280 So week two, I you know you're gonna add on, 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.240 we got a game next week. You know, we've got 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.760 a preseason, so, you know, coaches are it's kind of 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.720 running out of time a little bit in a way 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.920 of the coaches saying, you know, okay, we're just we 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.200 you know, get guys ready, you know, but when when 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.760 the games start, man, those things come fast and there's 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.400 not a lot of time. And if you're practicing well, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.520 that means you're gonna get reps during the game. And 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.040 that's where I think that a lot of this is. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.080 I mean, if you're having good reps, keep going on, 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.839 keep going on, keep going That's what I'm looking for. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.080 Who's having the good reps to get a lot of 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.560 action next Thursday night when we're all there to by 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:02.200 stating first season right, Amory this week and then they're 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.199 off on Friday and then Saturday through Tuesday. Because that's 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:06.760 how you're gonna make the team. I don't think it's 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.120 gonna be making a practice. I mean practice part of 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.720 it's good, but who the guys that are preparing, they're 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.360 getting good reps in practice. All of sudden, now coaches 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.440 are throwing them out there, you know, in the game 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.760 situation because they want to see. Okay, good practice means 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.920 potentially good games, especially at key spots like wide receiver 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.280 and tight end where there are jobs certainly up for grabs. Um, 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.800 who's more consistent? Two things I'm looking for. Some veterans 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.000 have talked about, Look, the first couple of days in pads, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.480 you got you gotta show the young guys how to 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.720 practice with intensity. And I think I think we'll see 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.040 some more spirited practices, maybe some more intensity this week 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.359 coming off the day off, where the young guys understand 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.760 the level you have to play at in pads in 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.120 training camp. They've just got an introduction the last couple 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.480 of days. Introduction, last couple of days. The other thing 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.439 is as oh bless you, mickey, all right there, God, 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.320 those sneeze button off sides. There's two offsides or row 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.920 for you. The other thing is can the defensive line 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.319 match and respond to what the offensive line has done 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.120 the first couple of days? And that's easier said than 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:13.800 done when you've got three all pros Lyle Collins. Connor 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.200 Williams's played as well as anybody has. He had a 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.120 bad rep. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, he's been outstanding 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.200 so far. And when you've got de Marcus Lawrence and 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:26.440 Bubble Rap like he was right, But it's time for 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.840 some of those guys to step up. If if you're 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.240 if you're sitting there going we're gonna have this rotation 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.840 up front, right, I need to see start seeing something 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.080 from the defense and and and that that you know, 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.360 the defensive tackles, let's go. You're getting an opportunity now, Yeah, 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.640 that's good. David Irving. There's no MALIEK Collins and there's 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.320 no David Irving for sure the first four games of 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.400 the season. So need to need to start seeing something. Uh, 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.000 it's kind of hard to judge the linebackers when you're 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.120 not tackling, like all out tackle. That's their game, right, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.520 I can see if they're in the right spot, and 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.240 a lot of times what they've been doing what the 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.080 linebackers is kind of rushing them, right, If you guys 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:08.520 have noticed that quite a bit. Jones star of talking 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.800 to him the other night. He's excited about the prospects 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.800 of Jaylen Smith Rush. Yeah, that's that's that to Mickey's point, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.160 they're they're bringing a lot more of those guys. Could 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.000 this be the week we see Randy Gregory? You know, 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.240 could we could this be the time? At one point? 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:26.319 I mean, I don't think you can go too many practices, kisskin. 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.640 I thought it was. I was worried about them before. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.640 I was worried about the league holding him out of 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.880 the Oxnard part of practices. So I'm thinking, okay, kind 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.199 of a week to kind of get him acclimated, get 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.800 him going. Yeah, I was just counting the days. I know, 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.320 how about you. You were counting my left ear and 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.120 I was like, I was like, I know he's counting 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:45.760 over here. I get here him. I can't see him, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:52.319 but whisper. Yeah, how about how about Thursday? I was 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.200 kind of thinking of a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday with the 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.800 Friday off to kind of see now, so go ahead 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.400 and like, yeah, I'd like to see him there today. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.439 We're all gonna be a part of that. I love 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.280 to call it the Blue White Scrimmage. I still call 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.040 it Jack Murphy Stadium, and you know, San Diego, we're 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:08.880 gonna call it the Blue White scrimmage that the Blue 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:10.840 White scrimmage that we're all a part of. I'd like 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.480 to see Randy Gregory gets some get some work. I 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.080 know it's a practice, but I mean there's gonna be 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:17.800 some one on one period and there's gonna be a 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.600 period where the like the blue practice, where they're gonna 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.960 throw Cooper Rush and Mike White, those guys out there, 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.880 the receivers, the backup lineman. I'd like to see Randy 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.000 Gregory get a little bit of the opportunity to get 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.880 some of those live rushes where they're gonna maybe have 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.360 you know, they'll have some tackling and and it's a 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.400 little bit quick so for us to see that. When 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.040 does he need to get out here on the field. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.600 Nicky was doing the maths in my left ear, and 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:46.000 you're thinking Thursday him a practice and then a day 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.680 days a day off when he comes back. Do you 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.920 expect him to piecemeal him individual the first day or 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.600 two and then work him into team or do you 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.480 think they throw him right back in. I don't think 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.520 he gets into team right away, but I think you 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.400 can start doing some of the you know, individ dual drills. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.200 something I can't carry your pads. Yeah, put the helmet. 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.360 I wished it. I wish this morning when we have 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.000 this walk through that's actually they go through, I'd like 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.080 to see him get in there. If he gets in 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.320 there a little bit at right defensive end this morning, 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.520 that we're getting pretty close, right, We're getting pretty the 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.280 minute they start minute all of a sudden that that 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.040 he's taken reps with with Charles Tapper and with Dorian's 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.400 Armstrong and those guys, then we'll know, okay, they were 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.760 closer to we are. But I just don't want him 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.280 to keep I don't want to miss in padded practices. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.680 I really don't. I want him out there, and I 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.760 know they're trying to protect him. I get that he 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.480 hadn't played football well, but man, he looks like he's 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.680 in good shape. I mean physically, he looks like he's 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.880 watching him work out. He doesn't labor when he's running 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.600 and all that. I mean, even if it means him 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.720 even if he's uh, you know, doing all the individual 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.600 stuff and then getting in there one out of every 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.680 four plays, you know, getting an opportunity that would that 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.720 would do me some good, right, I think we need 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.920 to see him with the pads on and and maybe 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.360 maybe they will see here when they do the walkthrough, 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.120 you know, in a little while. And then you know. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.000 The other thing is though I don't I don't know 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.280 that he needs a jump right into the one on 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.640 one pass for us churls and have Tyrn Smith put 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.800 the big clamps on him. And what do you think 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.240 the master plan is on getting him into a preseason game? 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.680 Which one I think for the first first one, that's 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:24.800 what I think. Yes, yes, okay, yes I do. If well, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.840 it depends on how quickly they get him right, which 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.480 work you get him, he got to get him somewhere. Well, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.000 if he gets in the blue white on Sunday, then 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.160 he's playing third. That's why. That's why I want him 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.160 to practice three days, take a day off, and then 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.040 now you've kind of been able by Friday, you're like, okay, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.160 he's good to go. We can evaluate him even if 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:46.040 he practices one day and say to the next three days, 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.440 say they practice back to back and then the third 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.240 day or the he practices today, skips tomorrow, practices the 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.040 following day, and then gets the off day. If he 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.840 just goes every other day, then you could probably get 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.840 him into that blue white scrimmage where it's the world, yeah, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.440 where we're evaluating that last twenty minutes of practice, where 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.359 and Bill goes, oh, here's Randy greg Oh nice move 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.879 against Cam Fleming. There put Fleming in a bad spot. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.160 You know that. I want to see that a little bit. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.800 That's and that's that's the selfish side of me. But 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.239 I think Randy Gregory wants to see that. I think 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.280 Randy Gregor wants to get out there, and I think 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.879 the front office wants to see it, and the coaching staff. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.520 I mean, think about after he sat out that whole 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.240 season twenty sixteen, yeah, and then played in those last 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.160 two games. Go look at his number the second game. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.840 I mean he had like five tackles, a couple pressures, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:40.800 I think one sack. Yeah, I mean it was eye opening. Uh. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.040 And then you find out, well, he's not gonna be 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.640 able to play in the playoff playoffs, which they could 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.600 have used him. Maybe absolutely, Oh yeah, most definitely. Maybe 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.560 on the last play from scrimmy wouldn't be talking about 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.719 and we wouldn't be talking Rob. Rob's about to give 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.520 us a dose of reality. No, no, I just he 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.920 brought up something interesting that I think people forget about it. Okay, 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.720 he's missed eighteen months, he missed fourteen games before that. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.600 There's so much football that he's missed. And I'm with you, Brian. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.280 He wants to get back out there. The team needs 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.800 to evaluate him. Yeah. Uh. My question is how quickly 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:18.720 do you get in in there and how quickly do 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.680 you say okay, he's ready to go full live tackle contact. Oh. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.040 These guys are really smart about that. I mean, they're 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.240 they're they're a lot smarter than me. I'm sitting here 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.440 doing radio with you guys talking about wanting to see 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.159 him play. But you've been around it, you know how. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.320 I just but if they slow play this, Brian, I 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.280 don't like it if they know it. But if they 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.200 slow play it, then he's on the roster. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.040 you see what I'm saying. Oh, no, I and I 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.920 I've been all the point that I felt like play 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.520 and then you want to evaluate. I want somebody to say, 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.520 okay that you know what. He's clearly better than Charles Tapper. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:57.439 He's clearly better than Dorance Armstrong. He's clearly better than I. 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.440 That's what I want. I want to I don't want him. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.320 I want him going into the season with the feeling 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.480 that he came back and he earned his way onto 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.560 this roster and that now now the story for him 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.080 going into Carolina is I'm back playing football, you know, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.199 instead of being him's mind right now. Yeah, he is 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.439 on the roster. Oh sure he is. Brian, this is 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.280 the scout in Brian. You don't want a guy name 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.880 one of these backup defensive ends that might be looking 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.919 good so far to not have a job. Yeah, because okay, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.880 they want to spot for him, but maybe they haven't 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.520 seen enough at this point. Con Cony Ealy in the 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:37.000 first week of practice didn't really fire me up. You know, 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.159 I'm watching, I'm thinking, Okay, I know Cony Eily is 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.159 a better player. Now let's see what week two brings 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.800 from Cony Eally. But I felt like there's been some 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:48.920 better rushes from Dorian's Armstrong on you know Tapper and Tapper, 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.120 Tapper playing the left side. So I want Randy Gregory. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.240 I want to feel good. I'm feeling good about Tapper, 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.119 I'm feeling good about arms Trunk first week, first week, 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:58.800 and I want to I want to be able to 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.600 throw Randy Agree in that mix. Because then if it says, okay, 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.840 I don't see consistency from from Coney, ealy, I'm okay 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.439 with these three young guys, let's go that kind of 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.400 that's what that's what I want to see. I don't 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.000 think his spot taco and there, I'll throw Taco and there. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.880 I know there was some back and forth there. Yeah, 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.840 I don't think his spot on the roster depends on 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.560 the other defensive ends. You know, you may go short 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.399 in a different position and you just say, you know what, 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.440 three three weeks, he's got a red shirt, but I'm 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.399 carrying him on my fifty three. He might be inactive 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.959 in the first couple of games. He's right, Bill's right. 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.560