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Speaker 5: Dolphins? And welcome to the Draft Time podcast, part of
Speaker 5: the Miami Dolphins podcast network, covering your team, your Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4: How's it going everybody?
Speaker 5: I am your host, Travis Wingfield, And on today's show,
Speaker 5: your initial fifty three man roster emphasis on initial. We'll
Speaker 5: do a recap of how the roster stands today with
Speaker 5: all the flurry of moves, including two trades. We'll also
Speaker 5: hear from head coach Mike McDaniel, safety to Shaun Elliott,
Speaker 5: defensive lineman Christian Wilkins, and Zach Seeler as well as
Speaker 5: wide receiver Jalen Waddle. All of that and more from
Speaker 5: the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 5: This is the Draft Time podcast Maye Gaff two trades,
Speaker 5: maybe not the one you were expecting today, but we
Speaker 5: do see Dan shipped off to the Chicago Bears in
Speaker 5: exchange for a sixth round draft pick. The Dolphins also
Speaker 5: trade Noah Igbinoghni, former first round draft pick here in Miami,
Speaker 5: to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for fellow twenty twenty
Speaker 5: draft pick in the second round of the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 5: Kelvin Sheppard of Kentucky and LSU in college. We'll talk
Speaker 5: about his game a little bit more in just a moment,
Speaker 5: but it is the worst day in the National Football League,
Speaker 5: at least today, and the day that you are eliminated
Speaker 5: from contention, be at the Super Bowl or Thanksgiving for
Speaker 5: a struggling team, whatever it might be. Cutting down this
Speaker 5: many guys is just well, it just sucks. And I
Speaker 5: want to play some sound here from coach from earlier
Speaker 5: today when he talked to the media about how difficult
Speaker 5: the processes of going from ninety guys down to fifty three.
Speaker 3: No, when it's appropriate. I think it does come up
Speaker 3: for sure, just because you know that they get, you know,
Speaker 3: beat over the head with adversity as an opportunity. And
Speaker 3: that's where it comes from from for me is living
Speaker 3: experience of those things and just you know, I don't
Speaker 3: I think to be an effective coach, you you have
Speaker 3: to embark on each individual's player's journey. And when you
Speaker 3: do that, it's very easy to understand. You know, the
Speaker 3: first time that I ever got let go with the
Speaker 3: Houston Texans. Okay, viscerally, I'll never forget. There's the first time.
Speaker 3: Apparently that was an impressive answer. We just had to
Speaker 3: walk out. I'll vis really never forget, like I'd been
Speaker 3: on a team my whole life and then I remember
Speaker 3: walking out of Reliance Stadium and like, wow, who am I?
Speaker 2: And that identity. Although you know, a.
Speaker 3: Player's experience is different than a coach is, I think
Speaker 3: that there's a commonality in that, which is why it's
Speaker 3: you know, very emotional and very very difficult for me
Speaker 3: in the in these times, is because I know exactly
Speaker 3: what that is. And you wake up, I mean, you
Speaker 3: were embarking on an invested journey that your mind is
Speaker 3: goal oriented to be on the fifty three for the
Speaker 3: Miami Dolphins and then boom.
Speaker 2: Now what, I don't wish that on anybody.
Speaker 3: It's as uncharted territory is like one of the the
Speaker 3: unknown is like one of the greatest sources of stress,
Speaker 3: like at science, like it's been studied, and it is
Speaker 3: a a feeling that I don't wish on anyone. However,
Speaker 3: I do feel like there's certain times that it's very
Speaker 3: very appropriate to share that with with guys, because you know,
Speaker 3: you can see it on people's faces when I you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't even see this coming or what do I
Speaker 3: do now, and that that it's brutal, so it comes up.
Speaker 2: I think that's an important part.
Speaker 3: It's not about living exactly in someone's shoes. It's being
Speaker 3: able to connect shared or experiences that might render residual
Speaker 3: feelings that are similar. So again I it, I mean it,
Speaker 3: this is this is brutal. There's more deserving. There's more
Speaker 3: than fifty three deserving people to be on this football team,
Speaker 3: but there's only fifty three spots and and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: IM pressed upon the locker room today like part of
Speaker 3: your grieving of your of your brethren that isn't here
Speaker 3: is doing right.
Speaker 5: By now the process this say, let's go ahead and
Speaker 5: list off your initial fifty three man roster. Of course
Speaker 5: you're going to get changes over the next couple of days,
Speaker 5: as of course, some of these guys go on injured reserve.
Speaker 5: Some of these guys will be signed back to the roster.
Speaker 5: There's just all kinds of activity that happens here, not
Speaker 5: just for your Miami Dolphins, but the entire NFL. The
Speaker 5: roster as it stands right now as of this podcast though.
Speaker 5: Three quarterbacks to a tongue of Bay Loa, Mike White,
Speaker 5: Skylar Thompson. No surprises there obviously running back position, there
Speaker 5: are six of them. That's kind of a surprise. Plenty
Speaker 5: of backs on the roster. Jeff Wilson, Savon Akmeb Devon,
Speaker 5: h Raheem Moster, Chris Brooks, the UDFA out of BYU
Speaker 5: sticks on the roster, and of course fullback alec Ingold.
Speaker 5: Only Miles Gaskin no longer with us here after today.
Speaker 5: What a great preseason he had, What a good run
Speaker 5: he out to Miami Dolphins. Miles Gaskin the class act
Speaker 5: all the way. Good to see him, hopefully laying on
Speaker 5: his feet somewhere. Wide receivers six of them, Braxon Burrios,
Speaker 5: Tyreek Hill, Cedric Wilson Junior, who restructured his contract for
Speaker 5: a pay cut. It's going to be a benefit to
Speaker 5: the Dolphins salary cap seventeen, Jalen Waddle, Eric Azukama, and
Speaker 5: River Craykraft Goo Koog's.
Speaker 4: No surprises there.
Speaker 5: I think that Chosen was one of these guys we
Speaker 5: were talking about potentially sticking on the roster. I talked
Speaker 5: about it on the podcast frequently. I thought this team
Speaker 5: had seven NFL wide receivers and Chosen is the one
Speaker 5: on the outside for now. Tight end position two of
Speaker 5: them Durham Smyth and Julian Hill. That's obviously a surprise.
Speaker 5: You're not going to go into the here with just
Speaker 5: two tight ends. Julian Hill makes the roster as a
Speaker 5: UDFA from Campbell the Fighting Campbell's it's pretty great mascot
Speaker 5: and team name.
Speaker 4: But I think we'll probably see some activity there as well.
Speaker 5: Was pretty surprised no Tanner Connor after the week he had.
Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna stick here despite just one
Speaker 5: week of work back in his second season. Offensive line
Speaker 5: ten guys here Connor Williams, Robert Jones, who will see
Speaker 5: what his availability is going forward, but we saw he
Speaker 5: had that injury back.
Speaker 4: In the Houston game.
Speaker 5: Lester Cotton with the good preseason sticks on the roster,
Speaker 5: Robert Hunt, Kendall Lamb, Keon Smith I think made the
Speaker 5: biggest jump from last season to this year in terms
Speaker 5: of his development.
Speaker 4: We'll talk more about that in a moment to Ron.
Speaker 5: Armstead obviously, Austin Jackson, Liam Eichenberg, and Isaiah Wain for
Speaker 5: your ten offensive lineman on the defensive side for interior
Speaker 5: down lineman. Big surprise here to me was Deshan Hand
Speaker 5: being released, but again activity.
Speaker 4: Happens over the next couple of days.
Speaker 5: So you get Zach Steeler, Christian Wilkins, Brandon Peeley, and
Speaker 5: ray Kwan Davis. We'll talk about Zach Sio's contract extension
Speaker 5: and here from he Christian Wilkins, Mike McDaniel, and Deshaun Elliott.
Speaker 5: In just a moment off the edge, Bradley Chubb, Jalen Phillips,
Speaker 5: Andrew Van Ginkel and Emmanuel Ogbaugh. Think the surprise there
Speaker 5: is Malik Reid, but again keep your peel from the
Speaker 5: next couple of days there off ball linebackers four of
Speaker 5: them Channing Tyndall, Duke Riley, David Long Junior, and Jerome Baker.
Speaker 5: Think that was pretty obvious from the first day of
Speaker 5: training camp till now. And that's your four linebackers with
Speaker 5: Andrew Van kickle Cross training six cornerbacks. We talked about
Speaker 5: the addition of Kelvin Joseph. We'll break down his game
Speaker 5: here in a moment, Cater Kohu, Jalen Ramsey, who of
Speaker 5: course will have to flip over to ird start.
Speaker 4: Of the season.
Speaker 5: Cam Smith, Xavien Howard, and Eli Apple round out your
Speaker 5: cornerback room.
Speaker 4: Thought maybe Justin Bethel might have a chance.
Speaker 5: Noah Ignog gonna get shipped out to Dallas as well,
Speaker 5: So a couple of moves and changes there at the
Speaker 5: last minute at the safety position. Five of them Javon Holland,
Speaker 5: Deshaun Elliott, Elijah Campbell.
Speaker 4: I hope that we get a chance to see him
Speaker 4: this year. He was out there.
Speaker 5: Getting some work on the bike at practice as he
Speaker 5: recovers from that injury he suffered in Jacksonville. Brandon Jones
Speaker 5: and Veron McKinley round out your defense there and then
Speaker 5: the three specialists no surprises here, Blake Ferguson, Jake Bailey,
Speaker 5: and Jason Sanders, with Nick Needham going to the physically
Speaker 5: unable to perform list. On cross and Eric Sobert were
Speaker 5: both put on injury reserve ahead of the seasons Lebel
Speaker 5: missed the entire year. Let's go ahead and hear from
Speaker 5: coach McDaniel on that decision and how that kind of
Speaker 5: process works.
Speaker 4: Things have changed the last couple of years.
Speaker 5: I feel like the NFL really did a good job
Speaker 5: of looking at their rules and practices and procedures and
Speaker 5: putting some changes in place to antiquated ways of doing things.
Speaker 5: And one of those big changes was just how the
Speaker 5: injury reserve works and bringing guys back. But there's all
Speaker 5: kinds of different language that makes things pretty confusing, and,
Speaker 5: to be perfectly frank to someone who studies this stuff
Speaker 5: like full time, even confuses me sometimes. So here's coach
Speaker 5: talking about the decision to put Sobert and Crossing on
Speaker 5: injured reserve and some of the decisions that have to
Speaker 5: be made this week with regards to guys boomeranging back
Speaker 5: on designation to return off IR.
Speaker 3: I figure out as as the week progresses because of
Speaker 3: the multiple implications within the roster, but it was in
Speaker 3: both of those players' interest with regards to their injury
Speaker 3: to go ahead and do that which you know, the
Speaker 3: later in the week, I think it's Wednesday night or Thursday,
Speaker 3: we settle the designated for return players with the accompanied movements.
Speaker 5: And also in the roster run down there I mentioned
Speaker 5: a couple of those position groups were pretty short of
Speaker 5: the requisite number of players. Two tight ends and really
Speaker 5: only three active safeties. It was kind of funny to
Speaker 5: watch them work today in their position groups because it
Speaker 5: was just so like compared to.
Speaker 4: What we're used to. Here's coach.
Speaker 5: He was asked about adding numbers at the safety position,
Speaker 5: but really the answer covered more than just that group.
Speaker 4: Here's Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3: I think it would be safe to say that you
Speaker 3: don't feel completely safe with two little safeties. Okay, there,
Speaker 3: I would anticipate something. You know that there's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of ways now that your your roster can be.
Speaker 2: Set up with regard to.
Speaker 3: The you know, since COVID year, the sixteen player practice
Speaker 3: squad and the flexibility and things of that nature. So
Speaker 3: there's there's some depth issues that will be solidified.
Speaker 2: By some.
Speaker 3: Practice squad members, maybe some active activity, I mean, shoot,
Speaker 3: tune in for the Chris Career Show tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Who knows what you'll find out.
Speaker 5: He really weave that theme in and out of the
Speaker 5: press conference all day discussing the uh Chris Greer Show,
Speaker 5: which we'll have Chris Greer at the podium for a
Speaker 5: press conference on Wednesday afternoon, and we'll have that covered
Speaker 5: for you all here on the Draft Time Podcast as
Speaker 5: soon as it concludes, and we have the entire show
Speaker 5: ready for you guys, let's go ahead and take a
Speaker 5: look at the entire roster and just kind of give
Speaker 5: you some thoughts about each position group. But first, before that,
Speaker 5: we call that a t's in the industry. Our first
Speaker 5: break Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to.
Speaker 4: You by I don't nation.
Speaker 5: Busy day in Miami gardens at the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 4: Cutting the roster down to fifty three players.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a busy week and then we've got
Speaker 5: game week next week. We'll get you guys updated on
Speaker 5: the podcast schedule sometime next week. I have a couple
Speaker 5: of guests I'm welcoming on the show Jordan Rodrieg will
Speaker 5: join us to talk about the Great Play Callers podcast
Speaker 5: she did this summer. Brett and EJ from the Bootleg
Speaker 5: Football podcast. Brett Coleman e J. Snyder, two very knowledgeable
Speaker 5: football savants. We're gonna have them on the show here
Speaker 5: and maybe some others. We'll see what happens here as
Speaker 5: we go into Charge a week. Also gonna welcome on
Speaker 5: a member of the Chargers beat to break down that game.
Speaker 5: And of course the return of the in depth game previews.
Speaker 5: I promise you you're not gonna find more information on
Speaker 5: an opposition for the Dolphins this year than you do
Speaker 5: on this podcast each and every week. That's gonna be
Speaker 5: Wednesdays this year, the Game Preview Podcast. Let's take a
Speaker 5: look at the roster we're gonna take into Los Angeles,
Speaker 5: at least at the time being. Again, it's gonna change,
Speaker 5: but for the sake of topic coolness is that a word,
Speaker 5: We're gonna talk about it right now. So quarterbacks, three
Speaker 5: of them, number one, Tongue by Loa fourteen, Mike White nineteen,
Speaker 5: Scalar Thompson. No changes or surprises here. I think there
Speaker 5: was some moments where you thought maybe they could keep
Speaker 5: two quarterbacks, but going back to March when Mike White signed,
Speaker 5: I think it was pretty apparent you're going to have
Speaker 5: three quarterbacks, especially given Tua's injury history. Tua went through
Speaker 5: some ups and downs in camp this year, but I
Speaker 5: think that's only going to be a benefit to his growth.
Speaker 5: Seeing challenging looks and working your way through solutions with
Speaker 5: the better grasp and ownership of the offense you're playing within.
Speaker 5: I think that with his upgraded physical skill sets we
Speaker 5: heard we've seen and heard coach talk about the best
Speaker 5: version we've seen of two a tongue by loa right,
Speaker 5: I think that puts him in position to continue his
Speaker 5: trajectory that he's shown in his NFL career, where each
Speaker 5: year he's gotten better than the previous one. I think
Speaker 5: that two of skills are a perfect compliment to what
Speaker 5: this offense wants to be with the running the football,
Speaker 5: firing off the ball for the offensive line, which sets
Speaker 5: everything up to Ron Armstead told us that back in
Speaker 5: Houston that if you don't fire off the ball, then
Speaker 5: nothing else in this offense works. The quick game, taking
Speaker 5: vertical shots, displacement at the second level. The fact that
Speaker 5: Tua does everything so fast, from the footwork to the release,
Speaker 5: to the processing to the pre snap determination. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's beating a dead horse. But our head coach literally
Speaker 5: told the story about going over Tua's tape and showing
Speaker 5: his cut up to the entire organization as a way
Speaker 5: to say, these are the traits that we can and
Speaker 5: should and did build around. And it pairs perfectly with
Speaker 5: the offensive line, the receivers, the entire operation. Then with
Speaker 5: Mike and Skyler, I love the makeup, or I should say,
Speaker 5: the approach you take there in the room. Get your
Speaker 5: proven starter, get your veteran backup who's shown he can
Speaker 5: be a sparkplug off the bench with the jets, and
Speaker 5: then get your developmental prospect in there, which Skyler has
Speaker 5: shown a penchant for some playmaking at times, and I
Speaker 5: think that you can only expect things to slow down
Speaker 5: for him at this stage of his career because this
Speaker 5: offense is vastly different than the one he ran at
Speaker 5: Kansas State. So hopefully that processing stuff speeds up and
Speaker 5: he can become basically your QB two of the future.
Speaker 5: I think if he does that, those two and you know,
Speaker 5: whoever wins the number two job, you've got the vet
Speaker 5: who's been around and seen the league. You've got the
Speaker 5: guy that you figure still developing, and they're all intelligent,
Speaker 5: tough minded people who can support quarterback one.
Speaker 4: It's a good QB room at running back, six of them.
Speaker 5: You know what, we already listened to guys Off Wilson,
Speaker 5: aucmed a Chain, Moster Brooks and ingled I had the
Speaker 5: bootleg guys in the podcast and you'll hear that down
Speaker 5: the road here in a moment. But Brett made a
Speaker 5: comment about the seemingly requirement of four to three speed
Speaker 5: to play running back here, and I got quite the
Speaker 5: kick out of that, because the speed this room offers
Speaker 5: allows the Dolphins offense to really maximize its ultimate goal.
Speaker 5: And it's the goal of every offense, but this one
Speaker 5: really adheres to it. Attacking open patches of grass sounds simple,
Speaker 5: but sometimes it can be difficult to actually create in
Speaker 5: the interim. You create displacement with play action, with vertical game,
Speaker 5: with outside zone, and.
Speaker 4: There's multiple ways to achieve it.
Speaker 5: When you have a couple of four to two guys
Speaker 5: out wide and then a stable of four to three
Speaker 5: backs in the backfield, gosh, that creates a lot.
Speaker 4: Of conflict for defenses.
Speaker 5: I also think the second year with this and how
Speaker 5: it will create some synergy within the back pages of
Speaker 5: the offense and general better understanding of tracks when to bend,
Speaker 5: bang and bounce for a running back. I find that
Speaker 5: to all be reason for optimism for even more production
Speaker 5: here this season. You know, individually, I just love the
Speaker 5: way Raheem glides into the gap after he presses or
Speaker 5: stretches the offensive line and defensive lineout. I thought he
Speaker 5: showed you his tenacity down the stretch last year. And
Speaker 5: speaking of tenacity, who has more of it than Jeff Wilson,
Speaker 5: absolute tone setter, absolute beast out there. And then the
Speaker 5: long times of the podcast know how much I freaking
Speaker 5: love Savon Achmed's game. Exceptional pass receiver out of the backfield,
Speaker 5: balance and strength to make that forced defender miss like
Speaker 5: we saw in Jacksonville on those wide runs, and then
Speaker 5: the acceleration to not just make them a fifteen yard run,
Speaker 5: make it a forty five yard run, the changes of
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 4: And then of course Devon Acham.
Speaker 5: Probably the fastest of all these guys, home run speed,
Speaker 5: who will keep the perimeter of the defense honest and
Speaker 5: whenever it fully clicks for him. We'll see what that
Speaker 5: happens to be, because most where he's don't have it
Speaker 5: happen right away. He's going to be able to stress
Speaker 5: the defense in a way that no one else can
Speaker 5: quite frankly. Then there's Chris Brooks, who you all got
Speaker 5: to know in these games. That power he displayed was
Speaker 5: prominent both in practices. This month, we're also going back.
Speaker 4: To his college tape at BYU.
Speaker 5: Five running backs plus alec Ingold. You guys know how
Speaker 5: I feel about him. He is kind of a straw
Speaker 5: that serves a drink in that backfield. Let's go ahead
Speaker 5: and go to Mike McDaniel now, who touched on the
Speaker 5: udfas who made this team really good? Kind of dissertation
Speaker 5: here from coach. But since Chris Brooks is on the
Speaker 5: list here so far of guys we've talked about, I
Speaker 5: thought it was a good place to plug this in.
Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel on Chris Brooks, Julian Hill, and Brandon Peely
Speaker 5: making the initial fifty three man roster.
Speaker 3: That is the journey that is the hardest, most difficult
Speaker 3: to navigate, that really exists. You go zero to sixty
Speaker 3: from college to professional and then you get here and
Speaker 3: you are stacked underneath guys that have been doing it
Speaker 3: professional in the scheme or on the stage for an
Speaker 3: extended period of time, and it can be it can
Speaker 3: look insurmountable, especially you know, you have your first your
Speaker 3: rookie mini camp and you're like, man, I'm pretty good.
Speaker 3: And then you get to a practice with all your
Speaker 3: with your whole team, you're like, WHOA, so undrafted free
Speaker 3: agents that are able to make a fifty three man
Speaker 3: roster they.
Speaker 2: That in it In it of itself, I.
Speaker 3: Think I crushed that. That by itself really is such
Speaker 3: a monumental task that so few people can undertake promise nothing,
Speaker 3: and and and really just behind the eight ball. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like if I if I went to a foreign country,
Speaker 3: could I speak fluent fluently and a month and a
Speaker 3: half or however long? That's tough to do. But you know,
Speaker 3: every year there's there's certain guys that you're you're really
Speaker 3: trying to find that have that mental fortitude to really
Speaker 3: accomplish something like that very huge accomplishment that you know,
Speaker 3: the the that really all the teammates really appreciate. You
Speaker 3: want to see an excited locker room. It's seeing an
Speaker 3: undrafted rookie free agent on the fifty three because they
Speaker 3: most of the time they're they're breathing a sigh of
Speaker 3: relief because they're hope they've if they're even in consideration,
Speaker 3: they've made waves in practice in preseason games.
Speaker 2: And to see.
Speaker 3: That that goal, you know, all of their five or
Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars signing bonus, you know, and just really
Speaker 3: doing stuff for the right reasons and learning fast. It's
Speaker 3: it's a cool process for everybody involved in them. A
Speaker 3: lot of respect given to those.
Speaker 2: Three and many other rookies that hopefully will join us.
Speaker 5: As my guy, OJ McDuffie always says wide out six
Speaker 5: wide receivers Brax and Burials, Tyreek Hill, Hedrick Wilson, Jalen Wattle,
Speaker 5: Eric Azukama, and River Craykraft. It's well documented how excited
Speaker 5: I am about this group. Tyreek and Jalen the best
Speaker 5: one two punch in the game, maybe of all time.
Speaker 5: I don't know, speed, detail, competitiveness, the total package those
Speaker 5: guys are. But then we've got a nice mix of
Speaker 5: really everything else. I think certain guys satisfy certain roles here.
Speaker 5: You've got special teams aces in there. You've got guys
Speaker 5: who can run all the positions. Should we be without
Speaker 5: any of the top two guys, You've got good run
Speaker 5: blockers to figure into the mix to give Tyreek and
Speaker 5: Jalen their breathers, and they need them. I think Barrios
Speaker 5: was even more than advertised all camp long in terms
Speaker 5: of what he can do. From a skill set standpoint,
Speaker 5: I think Azukama moves in a way that is different
Speaker 5: than the rest of the guys outside of Tyreek and Jalen,
Speaker 5: But I would say the way he transitions out of
Speaker 5: breaks and takes off with the football in his hands,
Speaker 5: Ee is next in that group.
Speaker 4: With how sudden he is and how smooth he is
Speaker 4: just moving on the football field.
Speaker 5: We've seen him carry the rock, you know, it's been
Speaker 5: impressive with that too. I think that Cedric Wilson's camp
Speaker 5: or summer was kind of what I thought we were
Speaker 5: getting last year when he had a pretty slow camp
Speaker 5: last season. And he's been good with the routes, his suddenness,
Speaker 5: his vertical threats. He's beat one on ones all preseason,
Speaker 5: and then of course River Craycraft just so detailed an
Speaker 5: absolute coach's dream. We heard from Jalen Wild today, who
Speaker 5: was wearing a beautiful John Daily shirt at his press conference.
Speaker 5: I asked, maybe plays golf? I said, now, I suck
Speaker 5: and to was trying to get him out there, but
Speaker 5: he doesn't want to do it. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 5: hear from g on learning from Wes Welker and Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, you learned each and every day with a
Speaker 6: coach like Wes and a guy like Reek. If it's
Speaker 6: not them telling me something, it's them you know, you know,
Speaker 6: doing it themselves and going out there with guy like Reek.
Speaker 6: You learned so much just from him going out there
Speaker 6: and doing it for so many years and being consistent
Speaker 6: and just being the leader on his team. And Wes
Speaker 6: actually did it too, So it's kind of easy when
Speaker 6: you got a coach that did it and really, you know,
Speaker 6: can tell you what to expect out there and what
Speaker 6: to like really do.
Speaker 5: Just two tight ends, Durham Smith and Julian Hill. I
Speaker 5: think you've seen a level of comfort established in Durham
Speaker 5: in the system. He's playing fast. I think he's hitting
Speaker 5: some really difficult blocks in the games and really just
Speaker 5: kind of sticking that role. Can be one of the
Speaker 5: more undervalued aspects of this offense taking even another step.
Speaker 5: Those key blocks that he hits off the edge man,
Speaker 5: those those can change the outcome of plays, and not
Speaker 5: just like by a small margin, by a significant one.
Speaker 5: Julian Hill, I thought came the furthest of all the
Speaker 5: tight ends in regards to his blocking game. And he's
Speaker 5: a little bit thicker and he has probably more of
Speaker 5: a frame to execute it. But obviously just two tight
Speaker 5: ends is gonna change as we get into the regular season.
Speaker 5: Offensive line ten of them Williams, Jones, Cotton, Hunt, Lamb Smith,
Speaker 5: Keon Smith, Armstead, Jackson, Eikenberg, and Win. We really saw
Speaker 5: the Dan Feenie trade shake some things up, and I
Speaker 5: think it's more of a sign of the progress we've
Speaker 5: seen from some of the young guys. You know, we'll
Speaker 5: hear from coaching in a moment, but Liam Eichenberg getting
Speaker 5: those center reps back in the spring that uh, you know,
Speaker 5: he and coach have both touchdown. Lester Cotton playing really
Speaker 5: well this preseason, I thought, and Robert Jones having a
Speaker 5: damn good camp. Let's go ahead and hear from coach
Speaker 5: on the Dan Feenie trade.
Speaker 3: You guys always sit here and tell me you know,
Speaker 3: what's what's the big deal about OTAs?
Speaker 2: Right? Huh huh?
Speaker 3: Do you remember there was some there was a center
Speaker 3: every play and uh, you know, collect the first guys
Speaker 3: up to be working on that and who've been training
Speaker 3: since OTAs and got invaluable reps throughout will be Liam
Speaker 3: Eikenberg and Lester Cotton. So we have a good core
Speaker 3: of players in the interior. And you know, adversity is
Speaker 3: an opportunity.
Speaker 5: I remember when people were freaking out about Connor Williams
Speaker 5: plants in our last summer or last OTAs, and look
Speaker 5: how that turned out. Not Sands canna be the same,
Speaker 5: But I think we should trust this guy and kind
Speaker 5: of how he views things. You know, the offensive line
Speaker 5: had really good continuity all camp. You know, sans t
Speaker 5: Stead going through his typical ramp up period. But I
Speaker 5: think that Winn has played really damn well at left guard.
Speaker 5: I think Williams and Hunt is one of the best
Speaker 5: center right guard combinations in all of football. I continue
Speaker 5: to be impressed by how Austin Jackson looks like he's
Speaker 5: getting better incrementally each day out there, and if he
Speaker 5: stays on that track, then we're going to be in
Speaker 5: a great spot going forward with the offensive line. I
Speaker 5: think highly of Kendall Lamb. I think he's one of
Speaker 5: the best swing tackles in the NFL. Talk to a
Speaker 5: wall if you disagree, because I know the there's some
Speaker 5: accounts out there who come after me and only want
Speaker 5: to talk about how bad the offensive line is. And
Speaker 5: it's like, guys can get better, guys can develop, guys
Speaker 5: can stick in certain years. And what I've seen from
Speaker 5: Kendall Lamb this year is a pretty damn good player
Speaker 5: at either tackle position, and he would start for some teams.
Speaker 5: That's just the bottom line. Keon Smith, full transparency. I
Speaker 5: didn't think I was gonna be watching him this preseason
Speaker 5: because last year was rough in training camp, but he'd
Speaker 5: made a huge jump. The tape was good in the
Speaker 5: preseason and it puts him on the active roster for now.
Speaker 5: Interior defensive line act. Let's go ahead and take a
Speaker 5: break right there and come back and talk about the defense.
Speaker 5: Plenty of audio for you guys on Zach Sealer and
Speaker 5: a really cool moment between he and Christian Wilkins at
Speaker 5: the podium on Tuesday. All That's Next Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 5: Your host Travis Wingfield brought to you by Auto Nation.
Speaker 4: Interior Defensive Line.
Speaker 5: Here on the third and final segment, Zach Sealer, Christian Wilkins,
Speaker 5: Brandon Peeley and Raekwon Davis. I think you look at
Speaker 5: this group and you have the same two thoughts, like
Speaker 5: you're as happy as any team in the NFL with
Speaker 5: the starters, but there's zero proven depth and it makes
Speaker 5: me a little bit anxious about it.
Speaker 4: Peelee look, I talked about his.
Speaker 5: Tape and thought it was very inconsistent, very up and
Speaker 5: down this training camp, in this preseason. And we'll see
Speaker 5: how the roster shakes out in the next week plus,
Speaker 5: especially with all that cap space cleared up with the
Speaker 5: Cedric Wilson restructure, with the Dan Feenie trade and trading
Speaker 5: no egnogny as well. But I think you look at
Speaker 5: this group regardless of what happens, and if you get
Speaker 5: the same workload from Christian and Zach and Rakwan, you know,
Speaker 5: for all purposes, who is slimmer and quicker has better hands.
Speaker 5: Right now, I think we're in great shape with those
Speaker 5: three guys. If you get that workload, it's not gonna matter,
Speaker 5: but you got you do have to have depth in
Speaker 5: the instance that these guys miss some time, and that's
Speaker 5: obviously the concern.
Speaker 4: Let's make this the Zach Sealer out.
Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and first hear from coach McDaniel on
Speaker 5: Zach Sealer and the example that he creates for all
Speaker 5: the guys who got cut today and just how important
Speaker 5: that can be for a football team to have that
Speaker 5: example and just know that your journey because you got
Speaker 5: cut not necessarily over. Sometimes you can sign for ten
Speaker 5: million dollars a year like Zach Seler.
Speaker 3: The absolute you know, climax of the coaching experience, it
Speaker 3: is everything because you to watch someone go to sustain
Speaker 3: what that's what that is, that that body blow that
Speaker 3: is to be released from a team two, to battle
Speaker 3: against the human nature that is, am I good enough?
Speaker 3: The fortitude to keep pressing forward for the right reasons,
Speaker 3: the belief it takes in oneself, all of that, and
Speaker 3: and to to see.
Speaker 2: Someone come out the other side.
Speaker 3: We're so fortunate to have Zach and we were so
Speaker 3: fortunate to be able to to to be able to
Speaker 3: uh extend him for three years.
Speaker 2: And there's one thing you know.
Speaker 3: With guys like that, every every piece of the pie
Speaker 3: was earned, and that that is a testament, a living
Speaker 3: testament that you know we have in house now, a
Speaker 3: great example of perseverance that you can always resource and
Speaker 3: point out. You know, I I brought it up the
Speaker 3: other day, I think my last team meeting with the
Speaker 3: ninety man roster.
Speaker 2: As before you go into a world.
Speaker 3: Where this is all or nothing, I asked, you know, Raheemoster,
Speaker 3: how many times have you been cut? Zach Seiler? How
Speaker 3: many times you've been cut? And that's that's everything, because
Speaker 3: that you don't go through this, this world of NFL
Speaker 3: football unscathed, and you know there's not It's not a
Speaker 3: coincidence that I say adversity is an opportunity every two minutes,
Speaker 3: because it's always there. But if you can control what
Speaker 3: you can control, you have a chance to be the
Speaker 3: best version of yourself and live after football with no regrets.
Speaker 5: Let's hear from Christian Wilkins on Zach Seeler. And yes,
Speaker 5: that is him getting choked up talking about his best
Speaker 5: friend in the whole wide world.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I couldn't be more proud, more happy, more excited
Speaker 1: for someone than zax Hiller. Honestly, you know he called
Speaker 1: me the morning of and you know he wanted to
Speaker 1: be the first to tell me. And that's been my
Speaker 1: brother since day one. When he got here with like
Speaker 1: three games left in the season, and I couldn't be
Speaker 1: more happy. I'm more proud of someone, and you know,
Speaker 1: all the work he's put in and just we were
Speaker 1: able to ride this thing out together. You know, since
Speaker 1: he came here, it was just salt and pepper. You know,
Speaker 1: we're just you know, me and him, we always had
Speaker 1: a type bond since day won.
Speaker 2: And you know.
Speaker 1: That that was a great feeling. I was in his
Speaker 1: ear yelling on the phone when he called me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he didn't expect anything less, but I could
Speaker 1: not be more proud or more excited. And for someone
Speaker 1: to have that moment and to get what they've been
Speaker 1: working so hard for all their life. I mean someone
Speaker 1: you know, he's someone who started out really living that
Speaker 1: life in a trailer when he first got here, and
Speaker 1: you know, now he's on his second you know, extension
Speaker 1: with the team, and I can be more proud of him.
Speaker 1: Just everything he's worked for. You know, now he has
Speaker 1: enough money to finally buy that you know, platinum grill.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's always wanted or whatever the heck
Speaker 1: some some more of those tools or whatever they heck
Speaker 1: could probably get. But you know, we just really had
Speaker 1: each other's back throughout this whole process, and I'm so
Speaker 1: glad he was able to get what he wanted ultimately,
Speaker 1: because you know, that's you know, I couldn't be more
Speaker 1: happy for someone in a lot of ways, more happy
Speaker 1: for my than myself. I'll challenge his wife, Hannah. I'm
Speaker 1: more happy for him than she could ever be. So,
Speaker 1: you know, really excited about that.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say, if you thought that Christian was
Speaker 5: going to be upset about that contract, you have no
Speaker 5: freaking idea who Christian Wilkins is. Let's hear from Christian
Speaker 5: on his own contract, and this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Talk about a better human being in this and a
Speaker 5: guy that handles up with a better class and a
Speaker 5: responsiveness than this.
Speaker 4: Here's Christian Wilkins with all that.
Speaker 1: You know, at this point, I'm just focused on, you know,
Speaker 1: just back to being my you know, being the best
Speaker 1: team that I can be and being there for my
Speaker 1: guys and getting ready to play a game and getting
Speaker 1: focused on the season. You know, as far as all
Speaker 1: that goes, whether something whether or not something gets done.
Speaker 1: You know, my focus is on the season. We got
Speaker 1: a game to play in two weeks and ultimately, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm just here to be the best teammate
Speaker 1: I can be and be there for my guy the
Speaker 1: same way I've been all off season, all training camp.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: If you ever thought that Christian Wilkins is gonna ass
Speaker 5: football games again, you have no idea about that guy.
Speaker 5: Let's flip this now over to zach' seiler, who talked
Speaker 5: about his relationship with Christian Wilkins. I wanted to know, like,
Speaker 5: where'd this begin? Because for me, like relationships always start
Speaker 5: the same way. You kind of put on your best,
Speaker 5: you know, fake face almost and then as you get
Speaker 5: more and more comfortable someone, you become your real, authentic self,
Speaker 5: and that's when friendships flourish, at least for me. I
Speaker 5: wanted to know when it kind of happened for Christian
Speaker 5: and Zach. Here's Zach on that great buddy cop relationship
Speaker 5: that I.
Speaker 7: Say that first off season here, I got here with
Speaker 7: like three three and a half weeks left, so I
Speaker 7: was just kind of trying to just my head was spinning,
Speaker 7: just trying to learn Miami's defense at that point, and
Speaker 7: then that first off season we kind of slowly kind
Speaker 7: of grow together, learn each other kind of how he plays,
Speaker 7: how I play, and then just from there it's kind
Speaker 7: of built to where we're at now.
Speaker 5: As you see, let's go ahead and finish up here
Speaker 5: with Zach on his contract and how happy he is
Speaker 5: and what he thinks about when he thinks back to
Speaker 5: getting the big extension and spend more time here with
Speaker 5: the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 7: Plus it was it's you know, it's one of those
Speaker 7: things you just dream about it and you work every
Speaker 7: day towards it, and it's one of those things I'm
Speaker 7: kind of like, just don't talk about and just work.
Speaker 7: Just things will come and just go from there. And
Speaker 7: then to really get to this point and in Miami
Speaker 7: and just to stay here and just be with the team,
Speaker 7: the guys, I love, staff, the coaches, everybody. It's been
Speaker 7: it's really it's really something special.
Speaker 4: That was the phone call to mom and dad after
Speaker 4: the contract.
Speaker 7: It was pretty good. Yeah, Almos tearing up and Dad
Speaker 7: really was just speech So it was It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: Deshaun Elliott played in Baltimore with Zach Seedler. He was
Speaker 5: asked about his former and current teammate on the extension,
Speaker 5: here's DeShawn who is just the best at the podium
Speaker 5: and pretty good.
Speaker 7: Field knows.
Speaker 8: Me and Zach started together in Baltimore, same year everything,
Speaker 8: So I've seen Zach's growth. Uh, he was robed around
Speaker 8: the edges of the rookie year, but he worked hard,
Speaker 8: and I think the best thing for him was getting cut.
Speaker 8: What's that being said? Like, say's the grim reaper day,
Speaker 8: So tell those guys around the league who's getting cut? Like,
Speaker 8: don't make that be the end of it, you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. The way Zach hand, he's a very
Speaker 8: strong minded guy, so he was able to uh make
Speaker 8: that into a positive.
Speaker 2: Came here.
Speaker 8: Dude had to do work its butt off. He was
Speaker 8: Him and Bradley Boseman were living in a trailer when
Speaker 8: they were in Baltimore. So like, just like how humble
Speaker 8: that guy is and everyone knows how homble he is
Speaker 8: and how hard he works. Uh, it was more deserved
Speaker 8: and I'm proud of him to see where he came.
Speaker 4: For sure, off the edge.
Speaker 5: Four players imagine this changes as well. Bradley Chubb, Jalen Phillips,
Speaker 5: Andrew Van Ginkle, Emanuel Ogba. Similar to what I say
Speaker 5: about Wilkins and Sealer, Chubb and Phillips are another part
Speaker 5: of this Dolphins roster where I would put our one
Speaker 5: to two up against anybody else's in the National Football League.
Speaker 5: Chubb's ability to dent the edge in the run game
Speaker 5: has been awesome to watch all camp, and we saw
Speaker 5: it on Saturday. He's also got the ability to run
Speaker 5: through and around blocks as a pass rusher. You guys
Speaker 5: know how I feel about Jalen Phillips. He has that
Speaker 5: three way go ability. He can redirect inside, he can
Speaker 5: run over you with the speed to power, and he
Speaker 5: can win outside with his speed and dip and flexibility ability.
Speaker 5: Just a phenomenal football player. But then from there you've
Speaker 5: got some depth as well. I think that I have
Speaker 5: a hard time, you know, categorizing these groups because Agba
Speaker 5: obviously is a d lineman, but he's a little bit
Speaker 5: different than Phillips and Chubb aar. He's long, he sets
Speaker 5: a hard edge, He's got a penchant for beating one
Speaker 5: on ones. He opens up various fronts that you can call.
Speaker 5: You know it's him. Wilkins, Sealer and Coach Clark have
Speaker 5: been here for now four years, which is kind of
Speaker 5: cool to see them all stay together. Just really valuable
Speaker 5: guy that I don't think it's enough appreciation here. Andrew
Speaker 5: Van Ginkle is similar with the varied usage we've seen
Speaker 5: from him and plus cross training this year. He's just
Speaker 5: good at everything he does at the off ball linebacker spot. Tindall, Riley,
Speaker 5: Long and Baker. Is there a faster linebacker room in
Speaker 5: the NFL? I don't think there is. We know about Baker, Tough,
Speaker 5: durable as hell, fast as hell, cover, blitz, run and
Speaker 5: chase all that stuff. I think David Long is one
Speaker 5: of the best off ball linebackers in the league, with
Speaker 5: the very best diagnosed and go get it skills in
Speaker 5: the damn league. I'm so excited to watch them work
Speaker 5: behind ninety four and ninety two up front. I think
Speaker 5: Tyndall made one of the biggest jumps all camp from
Speaker 5: a year ago. The processing is beginning to catch up
Speaker 5: with the physical traits. Duke obviously a core special teams
Speaker 5: guy who allows you to move someone like Baker around
Speaker 5: when you need to. I always think back to that
Speaker 5: two thousand and one game or twenty twenty one game
Speaker 5: against the Ravens when Duke played Mike and Jerome came
Speaker 5: down and played off the edge at cornerback. Six of
Speaker 5: them Kohu, Ramsey, Smith, Howard Apple, Joseph, newcomer, Kelvin, Joseph
Speaker 5: in as we swapped him for Noah at Guinogany rooting
Speaker 5: for Noah and Dallas. Great dude with a great mindset,
Speaker 5: just not ever click here. Finding the football was a
Speaker 5: challenge for him, but he operated Jeloseiff did. He's a
Speaker 5: good scheme fit, operated in both man and zone match
Speaker 5: systems in college and difficult defenses to learn. I think
Speaker 5: you'll see that carry over here in Miami. Very fluid
Speaker 5: hips and the thing that stands out the most is
Speaker 5: his length. Kyle Krabs had a scouting report on him
Speaker 5: and kind of gave him the skin. He said that
Speaker 5: he posted that he's a cover three quarters type of
Speaker 5: defender in college when he was coming out, didn't have
Speaker 5: a ton of snaps. Got some work in Dallas, but
Speaker 5: not a ton, So looking forward to getting to know
Speaker 5: his game a little bit more. The rest of the
Speaker 5: room love seeing Jalen around the team and staying involved
Speaker 5: with everybody. He's obviously very excited to be here. I
Speaker 5: just cannot wait to watch him make his debut whenever
Speaker 5: that might be Cater Kohu. I think is going to
Speaker 5: be one of the better corners in the league for
Speaker 5: a long time.
Speaker 4: He just gets it.
Speaker 5: He wins in the margins, he knows how to work,
Speaker 5: he's got sweet feet, competitive as hell. He reminds me
Speaker 5: a Wattle kind of on the defensive side. A real
Speaker 5: coach and fan favorite camp Smith. I think has the
Speaker 5: potential to really be a long term stalwart on the defense.
Speaker 5: Outrageous instincts we saw all Camp long. I love how
Speaker 5: Eli Apple fits in the system and just makes smart
Speaker 5: play on the regular Of course, X the perimeter lockdown guy.
Speaker 5: A lot of times in this defense you need the
Speaker 5: boundary receiver to match up with the X and not
Speaker 5: boundaries not outside.
Speaker 4: It means the short side of the field.
Speaker 5: You have to have a guy that can lock that
Speaker 5: down one on one X as that guy. Let's go
Speaker 5: ahead and hear from Mike McDaniel on the no.
Speaker 3: You know, that was something that we we definitely weren't chasing.
Speaker 2: We were approached with.
Speaker 3: There was some interest there and you know, really regardless,
Speaker 3: you know that it wasn't planned. It wasn't a situation
Speaker 3: where we were really exploring and the idea of not
Speaker 3: having him on the roster, but when given the opportunity
Speaker 3: and our specific team, with our specific needs, we thought it.
Speaker 2: Was both a win for us.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm I'm so happy for and really
Speaker 3: proud of Noah because you know, everybody wants to be
Speaker 3: a first round draft pick and as a twenty year
Speaker 3: old that sounds cool, but there's there's a burden with that.
Speaker 3: And what you've seen is a guy grow as a
Speaker 3: player and as a person.
Speaker 2: And I think it, you know.
Speaker 3: Being able to be twenty three years old and go
Speaker 3: to a go to a place with a fresh start,
Speaker 3: specifically with a you know, a guy that I've worked
Speaker 3: with in dan Quinn and just knowing his his coaching mentality,
Speaker 3: I think it's a good fit for them.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good fit for us. So that's
Speaker 2: how deals are done.
Speaker 5: And five safeties Holland, Elliott, Campbell, Jones, McKinley. Just three
Speaker 5: guys with Campbell being down and McKinley was not at
Speaker 5: practice today, but he is going to make the roster
Speaker 5: here at least for now, and there will be you know,
Speaker 5: more to happen in this room. I think it's a
Speaker 5: great sign that we're getting a look at Brandon Jones
Speaker 5: outside of a red Jersey as he has a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks to get ramped up here. I feel confident
Speaker 5: in his ability to do that because of the way
Speaker 5: that he works and how seriously he took his conditioning
Speaker 5: while he was not practice seeing remember him bringing the
Speaker 5: bike out into the sunshine and Houston to ride the
Speaker 5: bike and you know, drop some some water weight there
Speaker 5: in Houston. Javan is a player we know can take
Speaker 5: this defense to another level with his football IQ and
Speaker 5: playmaking we saw in the final preseason game. And then
Speaker 5: Deshaun Elliott is an absolute tone center. He also has
Speaker 5: great range, whether it's you know, coming from depth or
Speaker 5: highline the sideline.
Speaker 4: Love his game. He talked about his goals he has
Speaker 4: this year. I thought this was really good from Deshaun Elliott.
Speaker 8: I want to win, man, I want to win, not
Speaker 8: just ten plus games. I want to win and go
Speaker 8: deep into the playoffs and get my teammates paid who
Speaker 8: deserve to get paid.
Speaker 2: And what they said, what's the saying. I want to say.
Speaker 8: Rise and Toye raises all ships. So I think it's
Speaker 8: just the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 5: We also saw tons of Deshaun in the preseason. How
Speaker 5: did those reps help you get ready for the season.
Speaker 4: Here's to Shawn.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 8: Great just because just knocked the rust off before the
Speaker 8: first game. I haven't played that much in the third
Speaker 8: person game since my rookie year, but I think I
Speaker 8: really needed it just to get out there and get
Speaker 8: the calls out there. And also just so far, I
Speaker 8: need to run the show for the younger guys, So
Speaker 8: I think that's gonna help us in among run. I
Speaker 8: felt good, honestly. So it's going to play some ball.
Speaker 5: And then finally, what is it about the Vic Fangio defense.
Speaker 5: It stands out to you last time from the Dolphins safety.
Speaker 8: You have a set of tools that he gives you
Speaker 8: and it's up to you to use him. You can't
Speaker 8: be a robot in his defense about what you think
Speaker 8: is the best for our defense. And I think he's
Speaker 8: done a great job of making sure we understand that
Speaker 8: you can't be a robot, that you got to go
Speaker 8: out there and think and say everybody else to make
Speaker 8: their place.
Speaker 2: So that's one of the biggest things for me.
Speaker 5: And last but not least, the specialist Jason Sanders, Jake Bailey,
Speaker 5: and Blake Ferguson pretty core battery there with Sanders and Ferguson.
Speaker 4: Back for.
Speaker 5: See a fourth year consecutively here now and then Jake
Speaker 5: Bailey the newcomer.
Speaker 4: But there you go.
Speaker 5: That's your Dolphins fifty three man roster, twenty seven on offense,
Speaker 5: twenty three on defense, three on special and Nick Needham
Speaker 5: starts the year on pup.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go ahead and get out of here for now.
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