Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I'm heart radio podcast.
Speaker 2: Friend. Holy Matt, You're not supposed to be here, and
Speaker 2: either is this baby? Why am I still pregnant? So
Speaker 2: last Thursday we had an episode and you texted me saying,
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, you're like, bs, I'm really trying to
Speaker 2: have his baby before you head out of town and
Speaker 2: my husband heads out of town. Well you sew this.
Speaker 2: Let's see. So a week ago, a week ago, six
Speaker 2: days ago, I wake up and I'm having contractions every
Speaker 2: three to five minutes, and you thought, did you think
Speaker 2: you're for sure having the baby? Then?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But I was like, well, I'm not not having a baby,
Speaker 2: you know right. It's like a weird feeling because I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: doesn't feel this intense, but it is. And my obi
Speaker 2: was like, you should probably just go into triage have
Speaker 2: him check you out. And she's not a panicker, so
Speaker 2: I was like, hmm, she definitely feels something, you know,
Speaker 2: no dilation. It's like such a defeating feeling. So they
Speaker 2: sent me home, and honestly, I hope somebody can relate
Speaker 2: to this. I feel like a lot of it is
Speaker 2: just the noise and the stress around me and my
Speaker 2: body right now, Like me and my bodies feel really
Speaker 2: good about this baby. The baby and I are like
Speaker 2: in alignment. God loves us. We're ready to rock when
Speaker 2: it's time. There's so many moving pieces around us. Like
Speaker 2: my husband is touring and will he's starting to go
Speaker 2: further away, so he goes to Utah, Denver, New Mexico.
Speaker 2: That feels very far if you're going to have a
Speaker 2: third baby, and it could be quick. Yeah, So just
Speaker 2: gets noisy and I just feel like all of that.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like everyone's like hyper checking in
Speaker 2: on you, tour managers all the things, Like there's like
Speaker 2: three camps of people going. So you feel, how do
Speaker 2: you feel? It's like I've never had such a public
Speaker 2: cervix in all my life, Like can I just publix?
Speaker 2: I just be pregnant and just patiently await a baby.
Speaker 2: But I can't well, I mean, selfishly, it's been I'm like,
Speaker 2: can we like have a sea section? You were like
Speaker 2: you were actually I have to share the selfish moment.
Speaker 2: I was texting you and I was like I just
Speaker 2: don't know what's happening, and like there's no dilation. I'm
Speaker 2: not I haven't been a water breaker before, so I
Speaker 2: don't anticipate that happening this time, but you never know.
Speaker 2: And you're like, you can elect for a sea section,
Speaker 2: we can have a sea section right now. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I love you so much. The artist
Speaker 2: doesn't sneak up much, but when it does, well, No,
Speaker 2: my doctor had always like when I was pregnant with Jolie,
Speaker 2: she was like, or you can have the baby at
Speaker 2: thirty nine weeks and do a sea section. Yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 2: I hit thirty nine weeks like today, so it was
Speaker 2: just a little early in my Yeah, it's just really
Speaker 2: been something. Anyways, I was up all night contracting, So
Speaker 2: that's great news, I hope. So most likely, well, I
Speaker 2: mean I'm not this is all. This is going to
Speaker 2: actually kind of make me sad. This is the last, man.
Speaker 2: I am not emotionally stable enough for all the last
Speaker 2: It's a lot of last I know, the last time
Speaker 2: being in this house, in this room doing wind down,
Speaker 2: the last time you will I mean the baby, the
Speaker 2: night time you have you do wind down, you'll have
Speaker 2: a baby. This is my last with baby podcasts. I
Speaker 2: got emotional on our last wind down two or two. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just love it so much. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be gone long. Well you won't, okay alive from
Speaker 2: Centennial Hospital. Can we do that? I'm just kidding you know, ma'am.
Speaker 2: But we were sad to miss you last Thursday. It's
Speaker 2: always uh, and we will be sad to miss you.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily have to miss too much. No, I
Speaker 2: mean you've known. You were my first call when I
Speaker 2: found out I was pregnant. Love that we get to
Speaker 2: say it out loud. Yeah, this is a really everything
Speaker 2: to me. Oh yeah, if we've really been in it.
Speaker 2: I have FaceTime pictures of you and I both times
Speaker 2: i've been in labor. I really would prefer it if
Speaker 2: it was like in person. Yeah, but we can do
Speaker 2: that again if we have to. When I called you,
Speaker 2: did you what like? What was your first initial when
Speaker 2: I told you that I was pregnant because we never
Speaker 2: got to have like your we got like Catherine's. And
Speaker 2: did you think that I would even though I've told
Speaker 2: I said no to like I wouldn't have another kid?
Speaker 2: Did you think I would have? Yes? I thought you'd
Speaker 2: have another one? Really? Yeah, Alan's handsome and you guys
Speaker 2: just are magic. I mean, and I like it when
Speaker 2: our plans get thrown out the window and God has
Speaker 2: bigger plans, especially for people with our personality type. Do
Speaker 2: you know where I struggle though? And I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to get like no, tell me everything. Yeah. So the
Speaker 2: last so Thursday's episode, this before I went back to
Speaker 2: my guy now and because you know, I had that
Speaker 2: hemorrhage or whatever. Yes, I didn't know how much everyone knows. Well,
Speaker 2: I told that I was bleeding for the first trimester,
Speaker 2: which was scary awful. Yeah, I mean because that was
Speaker 2: the reason why I didn't want to have another one,
Speaker 2: because I just don't want to go through another miscarriage again.
Speaker 2: So I think so many people relate to that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's I even feel it right now,
Speaker 2: Like if I don't feel a baby, right, it's the
Speaker 2: scarcity mentality sticks with you. It's the PTSD, right. So
Speaker 2: the whole like hemorrhage, hemorrhage, hemorrhage thing has been so
Speaker 2: like just like scary, you know. And so what we
Speaker 2: go back and they're like, great news, your hemorrhage is
Speaker 2: down below you know, it's like below two centimeter. She's
Speaker 2: like bad news. And I'm like like why, you know, like,
Speaker 2: can I just have good good news? Can it? Just
Speaker 2: like she's like, you're fibroid. She's like, has like pretty
Speaker 2: much doubled in size. I means that doubled. But she's like,
Speaker 2: it's one of the on the larger ones we've seen.
Speaker 2: And then don't go to Google because I'm goovering you know,
Speaker 2: large fibroid, you know, with the size of mine, and
Speaker 2: because right now it's at eleven centimeters okay, and like
Speaker 2: a large is like ten to fifteen. And she's like,
Speaker 2: if it keeps growing, we're gonna have She's like, and
Speaker 2: we could already have. She's like, we can have issues.
Speaker 2: We can not have issues. And I'm like, okay, what
Speaker 2: are like because I like to be in the no right,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, what are the issues? Like what could happen?
Speaker 2: And She's like explaining all the stuff to me and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh my god. And then you know,
Speaker 2: but then but then the flip side's like or it
Speaker 2: could be fine. So there's nothing they can do, right, No,
Speaker 2: they can't. They can't go in and get it. Now
Speaker 2: what I didn't think and this is what's so great
Speaker 2: that will shrink it? No, I've done like I've looked
Speaker 2: and Google, so like, which so crazy is that I
Speaker 2: I had like stomach pain before I was pregnant and
Speaker 2: I was a little bloated, and so everyone was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's your gut, your gut, your gut. So I was
Speaker 2: like doing gut stuff. Well, now, come to find out,
Speaker 2: it's because I have this massive fibroid. Yeah, like huge, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I should have it would have you should take
Speaker 2: those out before, But I didn't know, Like how would
Speaker 2: I know that I had a fibroid. It's not like
Speaker 2: I'm going to get like ultra sounds on my stomach
Speaker 2: or whatever. So but long story short, I'm just kind
Speaker 2: of like, so now when I go do the movie,
Speaker 2: she's making me, not making me, but she's like, you,
Speaker 2: we need to see what this fibroid's doing because it's
Speaker 2: like a blood sucking it'll try to take the placenta.
Speaker 2: And I'm like if I well, I want I know.
Speaker 2: And that's where I was like starting to struggle. Was
Speaker 2: just like I won't be able to make sense of
Speaker 2: God blessing and then God taking you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't think that this is like I'm this
Speaker 2: is such a miracle, baby anyways, like, how in the
Speaker 2: world did I get pregnant so easy? So it isn't
Speaker 2: on any medicine easy, and like that never happened before.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, having to do the IVFS
Speaker 2: and then this and then that and the like having
Speaker 2: to have the progesterone in my body for the other two.
Speaker 2: I think that's why that worked. But I'm like every
Speaker 2: other time i'd lose I'm like, how So it's just
Speaker 2: like it's a lot. So we just need to like
Speaker 2: if anyone has because I'm like a Googling like fiend
Speaker 2: right now, be like, okay, massive fibroids, you know, like
Speaker 2: healthy pregnancies, and I just like I don't see any
Speaker 2: forms or anything. So if there's anyone that had a
Speaker 2: very large vibroid right next to your baby when you're pregnant,
Speaker 2: can you please DM me? Because I just want someone.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to someone about it. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: also liked scary Yeah, and I'd like good story, but
Speaker 2: I mean I want to hear all of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also I think there's probably more good stories than
Speaker 2: Google likes to share too. Google sucks Google well for
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons. Where would you like to start
Speaker 2: it is tricky though, Like I do feel like it's
Speaker 2: the noise, Like that's where I got to last week,
Speaker 2: Like I got home from the hospital and I just
Speaker 2: got in a bathtub and I was like, I need
Speaker 2: to shut the door in present's like got it. I
Speaker 2: just feel like we don't even get a chance to
Speaker 2: like listen to our own heart beats because everything is
Speaker 2: like so noisy and so catastrophic, and it can be
Speaker 2: those things. I'm not living in a false reality, but
Speaker 2: I'm also like, okay, but also can I just have
Speaker 2: a minute to like remember whose I am? Who gifted
Speaker 2: me this baby, Who's gonna walk me through this baby?
Speaker 2: Because God and I have done a lot of ear
Speaker 2: bending with each other. But that's where I have a
Speaker 2: hard time, because I'm like the babies that like this
Speaker 2: still bursts and the like the myth I'm just like,
Speaker 2: and I can look at it now now having my
Speaker 2: children going Okay, these were I understand, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I hope I will never have to make sense of
Speaker 2: right that I will say this. Do you remember Okay,
Speaker 2: so you know a year It's been over a year
Speaker 2: since I walked the still birth with my friend Ashley
Speaker 2: Micah James. We talked about him on Windown. Little baby
Speaker 2: born at six months in utero, one pound, one ounce,
Speaker 2: precious little man. She had her baby last week. Oh
Speaker 2: I love that, I know, and I have to share
Speaker 2: this because this is really hopeful too. So she and
Speaker 2: I were the only two women in that room that
Speaker 2: walked that together, and we both were due within like
Speaker 2: a day of each other with these babies.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: And she had her sweet little boy, Knox Isaiah, six
Speaker 2: pounds three ounces, like three days before Hermiicah James anniversary.
Speaker 2: I love that. See that's like and those stories are amazing.
Speaker 2: I love that. And what I said last week is
Speaker 2: I was like, I like, I'm done after this. So
Speaker 2: it's like, oh please, this is where I've been. So
Speaker 2: the four of us can't be together on a podcast.
Speaker 2: So that's where I'm like, please work. No, it's gonna work.
Speaker 2: It's gonna work. But there's just there's so many like
Speaker 2: and you don't know, there's just never stressors. But I'm
Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, Like it's like like because
Speaker 2: I just I wouldn't this was this is it? This
Speaker 2: was a one and done. Yeah, you know, it's so
Speaker 2: crazy because I have tried to keep myself in such
Speaker 2: a positive place, but the what ifs are so real. Well,
Speaker 2: and it's the thing is like, you know, we have
Speaker 2: a name for this, babes, and it's like it's so
Speaker 2: you know what it is too, it all matters. And
Speaker 2: it's like I just can't imagine people that, like, I know,
Speaker 2: but I like that, I just could not imagine because
Speaker 2: I've like seen like people like my friends just had
Speaker 2: a still birth, and I'm like, I can't, like I
Speaker 2: can't imagine. I know, but God does walk you not
Speaker 2: trying to be like all niggies, you know what I mean. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I mean I just I walked it with her so
Speaker 2: intimately that I'm just I've just never seen. That was
Speaker 2: the most sacred anointed space I've ever been a part
Speaker 2: of in my entire life. I can't describe how that
Speaker 2: was probably the most the closest to God in the
Speaker 2: thinnest place I've ever been in my life. Hmm. And
Speaker 2: there and that baby didn't cry. Oh it's gonna be
Speaker 2: I'm just I know, but it does. Matt. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like He will just never bring us somewhere he
Speaker 2: can't get us through. Yeah, he just won't look at us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: holy shit, look at us right, Yeah, for sure, And
Speaker 2: I know everything always like I think it's just like,
Speaker 2: well also early, you know, second try master, it's just scary.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a I well, also, you love you're
Speaker 2: a good moms. If you were like, yeah, give or take,
Speaker 2: I mean I'd be really questioning, you know, like this
Speaker 2: is a you love your people so well, yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's fair to be scared. We just have to go
Speaker 2: one day at a time. I know, I text this
Speaker 2: to you the other day, but I was like, I
Speaker 2: think for our people specifically, we love like a plan,
Speaker 2: we love. We just love to know a lot of
Speaker 2: people do. But like the things that make us stay
Speaker 2: inside of a minute before it pushes us to another
Speaker 2: minute are really a gift to our type are a
Speaker 2: type personalities. Yeah, so this baby's making you do that, right,
Speaker 2: It's just would be nice to not have to like yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, but you know again, I know abid fight, right,
Speaker 2: but I also know how fortunate I am to be
Speaker 2: able to be pregnant and how people you know are
Speaker 2: not are struggling and going. So it's like I also
Speaker 2: see that side too, So I feel very fortunate. You
Speaker 2: can hold both. Yeah, I can be grateful and have
Speaker 2: a little grief, yeah and the yeah. So yeah, but
Speaker 2: I mean, so far everything's great. It's just hopefully fibroid
Speaker 2: gets it doesn't grow anymore. So if it stays the same,
Speaker 2: I'll probably have pre term labor, is what she said. Okay,
Speaker 2: so they would just but you'd see section anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but the thing is like, you want to catch it
Speaker 2: before that promption. So okay, staying inside the minute, staying
Speaker 2: inside the minute and stay and so I lets talk
Speaker 2: to a supermodel today.
Speaker 1: I walked in.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm dressed like a gangster wrapper
Speaker 2: because that's the portion of the program. I can't even
Speaker 2: wear any tight fitting cute maternity col But I'm trying
Speaker 2: to find was was she the one we talked about?
Speaker 2: So it's Olivia Colpo's sister, But was this the one
Speaker 2: that was married that hap yeah? Or is this was
Speaker 2: she the one that gave the hall pass? But then wait,
Speaker 2: oh it is her? Okay, great. Hannah's like, yes, I
Speaker 2: wonder do you think it's something where we can talk
Speaker 2: about that. I don't want to be like rude, but
Speaker 2: it's also she put it out there. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: how many people ask you you put out there? I
Speaker 2: know she know what podcast she's coming up. Listen, Aurora, listen.
Speaker 2: But no, I'm excited to she's got any podcast coming out,
Speaker 2: so that'll be I'm interested to hear all about it.
Speaker 2: Let's take a break and get her on. I'm jan
Speaker 2: I'm Kristen him. All right, girl, So I have to
Speaker 2: start with and if it's okay, So we actually covered
Speaker 2: something that was on y'all show because with this podcast,
Speaker 2: you know, we've talked a lot about infidelity and marriages obviously,
Speaker 2: like we talked about like my divorce and because he
Speaker 2: had some affairs, and and then we talked about how
Speaker 2: on your show you basically said you gave your now
Speaker 2: ex husband right a hall pass, And so we discussed
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, listen, like for me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I could never do it all pass. I
Speaker 2: mean just because for me that trust is so important
Speaker 2: in a relationship. And so when doing a little bit
Speaker 2: of research now seeing that you are divorced, do you
Speaker 2: think that trust peace was the kind of nail that
Speaker 2: just killed it all? Welcome to wind Down? Yeah, sorry, welcome,
Speaker 2: Welcome were jump right into it.
Speaker 1: No, I was excited actually to be on your podcast
Speaker 1: because I feel like you and I kind of have
Speaker 1: that in common where it's like I really have no
Speaker 1: shame in my game in terms of like I'm not
Speaker 1: embarrassed to talk about the things that have happened that
Speaker 1: I tried to work through that you know, some of
Speaker 1: it didn't work, some of it did work, and hopefully,
Speaker 1: if nothing else, like people can learn from it. So
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you phrase it like that. It's a
Speaker 1: trust thing because the whole reason why I gave him
Speaker 1: that like hall paths, which we called it a one
Speaker 1: a year. So when I met him, I had come
Speaker 1: out of this relationship, well I thought it was a relationship.
Speaker 1: It turns out I was like the side piece who
Speaker 1: thought she was the girlfriend and this guy was an
Speaker 1: MLB player and was basically having a girlfriend in a
Speaker 1: different city. And I think when I came out of that,
Speaker 1: I kind of had this. And to be quite honest,
Speaker 1: I don't know if if if I don't know if
Speaker 1: I still don't believe this, but I felt like men
Speaker 1: are wired evolutionarily to want to spread their seed far
Speaker 1: and wide, and so for them to be in a
Speaker 1: monogamous relationship. I wasn't really sure if it's if it
Speaker 1: was possible, and if it was possible, are they are
Speaker 1: they happy? Are they living in their in their like
Speaker 1: true self? So I felt like what we had was
Speaker 1: so special and that if a man needs some kind
Speaker 1: of sexual escapade, you know, or the freedom to feel
Speaker 1: like he is allowed to do that, then that wouldn't
Speaker 1: interfere with what we had because it's just sex. So
Speaker 1: and for me, I felt like I didn't need that,
Speaker 1: But if he did, who want to tell him not
Speaker 1: to explore that as long as I'm the one who
Speaker 1: he wants to be life partners with. So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: you're allowed once a year to have sex with somebody else.
Speaker 1: They don't roll over, You can't. It can't be anybody
Speaker 1: we know. You can't keep in contact with them. You
Speaker 1: have to use protection. If there's any kind of emotional feeling,
Speaker 1: do you have to be upfront about it. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to know about it because I had a
Speaker 1: feeling that I, you know, I would have feelings about it.
Speaker 1: And I thought that by giving him and he our
Speaker 1: agreement was that well, what he had said to me
Speaker 1: is like just having that freedom, knowing that, like if
Speaker 1: I go on a trip or if I'm out, just
Speaker 1: knowing that I have the freedom to possibly connect with
Speaker 1: somebody else in this way, you know, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to have to use it. And he didn't use it.
Speaker 1: He didn't use it for like eight years, and they
Speaker 1: ended up using it when I was pregnant with our
Speaker 1: second child after COVID, when our relationship was already like
Speaker 1: on the rocks for so many other reasons, and of
Speaker 1: course somebody DMed me and they were like, just so
Speaker 1: you know, like your husband slept with blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and they gave me the full rundown on like everything
Speaker 1: they did. And I'm like, you know, when somebody describes
Speaker 1: sex with your husband, like you know that that's I
Speaker 1: knew it was true, and I confronted him about it
Speaker 1: and he lied any gas lit me and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, if you keep if you keep digging, if
Speaker 1: you keep X, Y and Z, then like it's over.
Speaker 1: And this we had already been in therapy at this point,
Speaker 1: just for other reasons that we had grown apart, and
Speaker 1: so people think that our divorce was because he, you know,
Speaker 1: took advantage of this freedom that I gave him, but
Speaker 1: actually it's not at all like the I didn't like
Speaker 1: that he lied to me after, and of course he
Speaker 1: said like, oh, well, you weren't supposed to know. He
Speaker 1: told me not to tell you. You know, when somebody
Speaker 1: wants you to be honest and they're asking for honesty
Speaker 1: and you're not giving it, and then you're making kind
Speaker 1: of an excuse that's very convenient for you to not
Speaker 1: be honest that you know that, that definitely was did
Speaker 1: not make me feel good. So when I ended up
Speaker 1: finding out, and you know you always do, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like being serious, like a detective, and I
Speaker 1: ended up putting out in some like encrypted message system.
Speaker 1: I never looked through his phone our entire li relationship,
Speaker 1: but I did this one time and I ended up
Speaker 1: finding out about it, and he and so he admitted it,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, well, I thought i'd be okay
Speaker 1: with it when I made the agreement with our relationship
Speaker 1: was so strong. I don't know if I would have
Speaker 1: been okay with it then, but like at this point
Speaker 1: in time, I'm not okay with it anymore. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't a freedom he was willing to give up, and
Speaker 1: he mostly was upset that I had changed my mind
Speaker 1: about everything, and then we ended up, and then we
Speaker 1: went therapy for a year, and we ended up calling
Speaker 1: it quits with our marriage, not because of the one year,
Speaker 1: but basically just because of like I was no longer
Speaker 1: the kind of person that would that, well, I no
Speaker 1: longer yeah yeah, and he and he was upset that
Speaker 1: I had changed my mind because honestly, he had been this.
Speaker 1: He's the same person he was when I met him,
Speaker 1: and I'm not so I really don't hold any resentment
Speaker 1: towards him about that, and if anything, he's resembled towards
Speaker 1: me for changing my mind, and then also now kind
Speaker 1: of sharing our story in a way that I think
Speaker 1: he was a little surprised that people didn't look kindly
Speaker 1: on that. And people call it cheating, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you told everybody I cheated on you, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know, I actually never did. I sent me in
Speaker 1: an agreement with you. You took advantage of it, and
Speaker 1: I'm not okay with it anymore.
Speaker 2: And it is interesting though, that like, you can change
Speaker 2: your mind, but he is not allowed to change, like
Speaker 2: he didn't use it for so long. So he also
Speaker 2: changed his mind actually, and it's okay that it didn't
Speaker 2: like it's very that's very gas lady.
Speaker 1: Well, I also he said he started using it because, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I had one baby breasted him for fifteen months.
Speaker 1: He didn't sleep for the whole freaking year. I was
Speaker 1: like up and down with my moods from my hormones,
Speaker 1: and I had got pregnant with another baby was covid.
Speaker 1: I was breastfeeding her and like he was like, well,
Speaker 1: you're not giving me sex. You know, that's like always
Speaker 1: the thing. You're not giving me enough sex. He's like,
Speaker 1: and sorry, I was once a week, but it was
Speaker 1: like the like it wasn't like passionate love sex. It
Speaker 1: was like we got in this cycle of like me
Speaker 1: feeling guilt tripped into having sex and it's just not
Speaker 1: it wasn't working.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I also want to affirm you too
Speaker 2: and just say, like, I hope his gas lighting of
Speaker 2: making you feel like it's your fault, that it's not
Speaker 2: your fault. I hope you can like let that like
Speaker 2: that you know that it's first of all, it's one
Speaker 2: million percent okay that you're not comfortable with your husband
Speaker 2: sleeping with somebody else and that you know you ended
Speaker 2: up not wanting that in your marriage. That is one
Speaker 2: million percent okay. So I hope his gas lighting of well,
Speaker 2: you've changed you you you you you doesn't think in well,
Speaker 2: if I would have only done this, like we would
Speaker 2: be happy and I'd be married, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: I hope you don't carry his gaslighting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I feel okay about it. Like I take
Speaker 1: full responsibility for my part in that. You know, I
Speaker 1: did give him the impression that this was something I
Speaker 1: was going to be okay with, and I did. I
Speaker 1: think I felt bad for a while about like changing
Speaker 1: my mind. But now that we're you know, we're like
Speaker 1: almost two years into this divorce. That's like the never
Speaker 1: ending divorce. I actually, on June ninth, I have to
Speaker 1: move out of this house. Every day after I stay,
Speaker 1: I owe him a thousand dollars or I like really
Speaker 1: need to move out. Like after this, I'm gonna like
Speaker 1: start moving stuff into my storage unit. I'm like living
Speaker 1: in the most tellish limbo right now. But I feel
Speaker 1: very good about I just know that we're I feel
Speaker 1: I believe in soul contracts. I believe we've meant to
Speaker 1: have our children together. He's a great father. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to do like this partnership with him. It would really
Speaker 1: suck if I had to speak to somebody every day
Speaker 1: who I can't stand. I have a lot of love
Speaker 1: for him, but I don't don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: be in a partnership with him. He's just not my person.
Speaker 1: Nuts damn sure.
Speaker 2: So next relationship, what do you want? And do you
Speaker 2: still think that men have to have because I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just like I mean, I've obviously been through
Speaker 2: the ringer with the x is, but I still believe,
Speaker 2: like I believe my fiance when he says he's never
Speaker 2: going to be with another I do. I believe him
Speaker 2: he's never going to be inappropriate with another woman. And
Speaker 2: like I get people to say, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people that have that same thing, like men are not
Speaker 2: supposed to just be with one woman like that, you know,
Speaker 2: monogamy is not normal and whatever they say, But I
Speaker 2: just I don't know, Like I know it's hard, I
Speaker 2: know it's stale and stuff, but I still just think
Speaker 2: like there's they're not that someone can be faithful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And I have a lot of respect for
Speaker 1: you with your story and your and you're with your ex,
Speaker 1: because I think it is a lot of there's this
Speaker 1: there's kind of this CULTU now of just like oh
Speaker 1: it's hard, let's move on, like let's give up. And
Speaker 1: I do believe in trying, but I also believe in
Speaker 1: really like listening to your gut and your body. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I do think when we know it's time to
Speaker 1: move on, we have a responsibility to do so. And
Speaker 1: like I said, like I believe in soul contracts, and
Speaker 1: I think sometimes those contracts can totally be for a
Speaker 1: lifetime and sometimes not. And if you're with a partner
Speaker 1: who is growing with you, and you guys are are
Speaker 1: committed to checking in with each other and being on
Speaker 1: the same page and really trying to build a life
Speaker 1: where you are mutually helping each other's evolution, then for
Speaker 1: sure that can last a lifetime. It's not easy, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that most people can do it well.
Speaker 1: But I have faith that you will because I feel
Speaker 1: like you've done a lot of work and you've you know,
Speaker 1: you've been through the trials.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. But for you, though, like what is
Speaker 2: going to be like do you want to get married again?
Speaker 2: Like do you what would you tell your new husband?
Speaker 2: Like what what? What's your stance? Now?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm on hingin Ryah right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: I started. Oh, it's like literally and.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Rya because I feel like
Speaker 2: it's just like model boy, model boy, model boy, and
Speaker 2: they all like no, I mean the area is like
Speaker 2: whatever I mean I met I didn't meet my fans
Speaker 2: on Riya, but I mean like he lived in England
Speaker 2: when I met him. But it was like all these
Speaker 2: people on RYA are like not from anywhere close.
Speaker 1: I feel like I know, they're like just they're like
Speaker 1: I'll be in La for like twenty days, like want
Speaker 1: to meet up for coffee. I'm like why, and then
Speaker 1: back to Brazil. I'm not having luck. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I started talking to one guy, funny enough, he was
Speaker 1: from England too, and I ended up like finding out
Speaker 1: that he lied about his age and by like three
Speaker 1: years and my ex was fifteen years older than me.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not afraid of an older person. So just
Speaker 1: to start off with a lie, and to be able
Speaker 1: to lie so effortlessly and about something so trivial, like
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is not a foundation I
Speaker 1: need to start with The other guy started talking to me,
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I've been in polygamist relationships. I've been
Speaker 1: in blah blah blah. And I told him about my situation.
Speaker 1: She's like, it sounds like you were in a polygamoust
Speaker 1: relationship too, and I'm like maybe I was, but like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would love to get married again. I
Speaker 1: would love to have like some kind of a blend
Speaker 1: family that that's like a dream of mine. Right now,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in such a I just know
Speaker 1: that what I'm attracting is instability in another person, or
Speaker 1: like I'm seeking a person to try to make my
Speaker 1: life more stable because it has been just so okay.
Speaker 1: We've been nesting in one house, like he's been at
Speaker 1: our other house in Palm Springs while I'm here so
Speaker 1: that we don't have to uproove with the kids. And
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna be renting when I keep like losing
Speaker 1: the It's like if my life is just very chaotic
Speaker 1: where I just don't see me attracting anything functional at
Speaker 1: the moment, I would love to get to a place
Speaker 1: where I feel so grounded in myself and like just
Speaker 1: really like in love with myself and so I can
Speaker 1: attract I just know that I'm not going to attract
Speaker 1: that until I get there myself. So do I want
Speaker 1: it to happen Dune, Yes, I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: make some serious changes because I don't know. The wine
Speaker 1: every night is not doing it for me.
Speaker 2: But there's a season, Like, don't be hard on yourself either,
Speaker 2: because there is a season, and space matters, like you're
Speaker 2: not even you don't even have your own home home
Speaker 2: right now, All of that matters. You can't settle a
Speaker 2: soul when you can't even you know, you have to
Speaker 2: settle inside some walls too. Yeah, And I think for
Speaker 2: sure the awareness that you have too is great because
Speaker 2: I remember when I got divorced, I just thought it
Speaker 2: was like his issues and like not mine. So I
Speaker 2: just was like straight into a relationship and like the
Speaker 2: first person that like told me, I was pretty like
Speaker 2: fell you know, fell into and then you realize, like
Speaker 2: there is work to do. But also like I always
Speaker 2: equated happiness like in a relationship. So if I was
Speaker 2: in a relationship, that means I'm happy. If I wasn't,
Speaker 2: then if I wasn't a relationship, that means that I'm
Speaker 2: you know, not lovable or I wasn't happy, so like
Speaker 2: I had to get to a place where I loved myself,
Speaker 2: happy with myself, and then that's when it found. But
Speaker 2: it took, you know a little over a year to
Speaker 2: I love myself and like you know, and that's sitting
Speaker 2: with yourself and doing some hard work, you know. But
Speaker 2: I mean you'll you will find like that person that
Speaker 2: will love you and that will not I know it's
Speaker 2: out there because I've found it. I know I did.
Speaker 1: Sweet whenever, like you find something that really works and
Speaker 1: you just like want to convince the other person. It's
Speaker 1: like I promise it's it's there. It's there. It's like
Speaker 1: you can you can you can lead a horse to water,
Speaker 1: but you can't make it drink. Like I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we all need to like get there when when we're ready,
Speaker 1: and and I do. I don't know if you found
Speaker 1: it a little different, but like since I do have
Speaker 1: two kids, I have a two and a four year old,
Speaker 1: I'm not like I remember my old self always being
Speaker 1: like I need the guy. I want to have the kids.
Speaker 1: I want to have the white picket fence. Like I
Speaker 1: kind of been there, done that, and like I have
Speaker 1: my kids. I always wanted to be a mother. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to be a mother. But I don't really
Speaker 1: feel that timeline pressure anymore of like finding somebody to
Speaker 1: be the guy to have the perfect life with. So
Speaker 1: it's almost like, I don't I feel kind of content
Speaker 1: in just if you're not, if you're not making my
Speaker 1: life more magical in some way, then then I'm really
Speaker 1: I'm not going to force it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a thing like one thousand percent. I was
Speaker 2: the same way. I'm like, I have two kids, I
Speaker 2: don't need any more kids. And it was not because
Speaker 2: I'm like, why would I settle to be in something
Speaker 2: I don't want to be. I will not be miserable
Speaker 2: again in relationships and like why would I settle? Like
Speaker 2: I got me and my kids, like I'm good, I
Speaker 2: got my friends like happy. So yeah, if the settling
Speaker 2: aspect is like I was, like, I will never go
Speaker 2: back to that because I don't have that like ticking
Speaker 2: right time I'm like, oh my god, I need to
Speaker 2: have kids or you know.
Speaker 1: And you know what I feel. It makes me feel
Speaker 1: so so sad because I'm like I'm able to afford
Speaker 1: a single life and a lot of women just aren't
Speaker 1: like they like, especially if they have kids and if
Speaker 1: their ex like doesn't make any money to pay child
Speaker 1: support and they're not making enough on their own. Like
Speaker 1: I'm looking for rentals right now, like within a ten
Speaker 1: mile radius of where my ex lives, like court ordered,
Speaker 1: and it is so expensive to live here. I live
Speaker 1: in LA I mean, I don't know how anybody who
Speaker 1: isn't making good money can afford to not be in
Speaker 1: a partnership like they would. Probably that's probably like half
Speaker 1: the reason why these women are staying with men that
Speaker 1: they don't love, because they can't live without that half
Speaker 1: the income.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's so true. I remember, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll dm with a few girls that have you know,
Speaker 2: reached out, and that's like the number one thing they say.
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't have like the resources or the
Speaker 2: money to get out, And I'm just like, oh, like that,
Speaker 2: Like it breaks my heart for them, because I never
Speaker 2: want anyone to like be in a situation where they
Speaker 2: they feel stuck and trapped and they can't get out
Speaker 2: because they can't afford it or And that's just like
Speaker 2: I was trying to do something like with Krista and
Speaker 2: we actually just talked about the other day, like something
Speaker 2: some kind of like single moms like charity where it's
Speaker 2: like we can help like a mom, like here's rental
Speaker 2: rent for so many months or whatever the anpony is, Like.
Speaker 1: It is a really good idea actually, Like they say
Speaker 1: in I think it's like the Scandinavian countries. There it's
Speaker 1: very common for them to live in communes and they
Speaker 1: actually report like happier lifestyles. And we had something like that,
Speaker 1: like it's just like, you know, have a bunch of
Speaker 1: rich people donate and then buy some kind of a
Speaker 1: commune and it's like a place for moms and kids
Speaker 1: to go and live to when they're like in a
Speaker 1: transitional period and they afford, you know, to live on
Speaker 1: their own, but they're there, and I mean some of
Speaker 1: these situations are abusive, you know. It's not just like
Speaker 1: oh I'm not happy in my marriage, which I feel
Speaker 1: like is reason enough to not stick around.
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, throws in Scaniz and I'm Eric Winter and
Speaker 3: together we host that, he said Aadijo podcast. Yes, after
Speaker 3: eighteen years together fifteen married, we still disagree about a
Speaker 3: lot of things, but we do it with much more
Speaker 3: right Eric, Yes, dear, whatever you say. I mean, sometimes
Speaker 3: we're gonna be a dream pupper.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go again.
Speaker 3: But I love the way we can be open and
Speaker 3: honest with each other. Yeah, maybe a little too much,
Speaker 3: but that's what people like, a real couple going through
Speaker 3: real things. Well, when we're not disagreeing slash arguing, we
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Speaker 2: Oh God.
Speaker 3: Anyways, we love our listeners and they've been so supportive
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Speaker 2: So you have a podcast now, I do, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: tell us everything about it.
Speaker 1: One of my good friends. Yeah, it's called Barely Filter.
Speaker 1: It's with my good friend Kristin, and she she looks
Speaker 1: kind of like that, Kristin.
Speaker 2: I mean we're copy paste. Yeah, she just had a baby.
Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to have a baby on this episode.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask because you never asked that question.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, she looks round in these.
Speaker 2: Macrol This is the most round one can look in
Speaker 2: the sense like we're literally thirty nine weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and having a boy or girl.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: We're not find She didn't know either, And do you
Speaker 1: have other kids? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I have a boy and a girl. So this is
Speaker 2: the type breaker.
Speaker 1: Okay, she had two boys and she didn't. I think
Speaker 1: they didn't want to find out because it's to be
Speaker 1: so disappointed if they had another boy and it ended
Speaker 1: up being a girl.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Statistically, that's like not like normal, Like right,
Speaker 2: isn't it hired to have, Like like Nicole's kid is
Speaker 2: like a third boy? Isn't that usually how it works?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know families with five girls. I
Speaker 1: know families with five boys.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I feel like I lucked out with one beach.
Speaker 2: But okay, so your podcast is with her barely filtered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and we talk about we talk about pretty
Speaker 1: much everything. It's everything's very unfiltered. Talk a lot about
Speaker 1: relationship stuff. She's happily married. She's kind of like one
Speaker 1: of those She's in one of those marriages where you
Speaker 1: just want to like geg because they're so like she
Speaker 1: like meet dangles him all over the internet, he's super hot,
Speaker 1: and we joke because she's like, she's like his six
Speaker 1: packs rubbing up against my pregnant belly, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever slept with a guy with
Speaker 1: a six pack, Like I need to be the hotter one.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want anybody who's like
Speaker 1: making me feel like I need to go to the gym.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we talk about every thing. We talk about health.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of guests on who are specialists
Speaker 1: around like fertility moones, like diet stuff, glucose, a lot
Speaker 1: of kind of like spirituality aspects. We have some people
Speaker 1: who went through big traumas and talk about dealing with grief. Uh.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's sad. We laugh, we cry.
Speaker 2: We were crying right before you came on.
Speaker 1: Literally really yeah, yeah, you never know. You have to
Speaker 1: wear your water to proof mascara to recordings just in case.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love the title too, because I
Speaker 2: love that you're open. But I'm curious, are you How
Speaker 2: are you with the headlines of things and comments and
Speaker 2: people because you have a public family. You're like one
Speaker 2: of five siblings.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like I've dealt
Speaker 1: with it naturally. I've dealt with it a little better
Speaker 1: than some of my sisters have, just in terms of
Speaker 1: different backlash of things that go on in our lives.
Speaker 1: I honestly, I think I probably just engaged too much.
Speaker 1: Like I'm that person who's like fighting with Joshmo and
Speaker 1: Minnesota because like that, and especially when when there was
Speaker 1: a lot of like hot politic topics, I feel like
Speaker 1: I was always kind of on the verge of being
Speaker 1: canceled because like, I'm pretty open about my beliefs about things,
Speaker 1: and they don't always align with a lot of like
Speaker 1: the the culture in.
Speaker 2: LA Like give us one, what's what's an example of that?
Speaker 2: Because I want to get into it.
Speaker 1: Well, the most recent thing that I got that I
Speaker 1: that turned into a huge thing was I I don't
Speaker 1: believe it is ethically or morally sound to to give
Speaker 1: a child any kind of drug that's going to change
Speaker 1: their body or when they're young. Like I'm all towards
Speaker 1: I'm all about like transitioning as an adult, but I
Speaker 1: actually think it's criminal that parents are are giving their
Speaker 1: kids things that are helping them transit when their brains
Speaker 1: aren't even fully developed and people kind of I think
Speaker 1: people a lot of times are like they're hearing what
Speaker 1: they want to hear, and they're hearing me basically say, oh,
Speaker 1: she's anti trans and she's not supporting people who want
Speaker 1: to change their gender or their sexuality, which is not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But like, I'm entitled to my opinion,
Speaker 1: especially with regard to children, and also just like having
Speaker 1: the kids wear masks and schools. I was very much
Speaker 1: against that, and that was people did not like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have my I.
Speaker 1: Have my views on birth control. I would think birth
Speaker 1: control is fine. I think I think and Kristen's very
Speaker 1: anti birth control. Like our our views are very different
Speaker 1: in most things. Actually, like she's pretty extreme and I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit more middle of the road.
Speaker 2: But wait, what's review on birth control? In what's hers?
Speaker 1: She's very anti birth control, she thinks, and we actually
Speaker 1: have a guest coming on too, and who's going to
Speaker 1: talk more about birth and and basically she says that
Speaker 1: it's like it changes women more than we know, and
Speaker 1: that it's just really bad for you, that it messes
Speaker 1: with your like potential fertility and and your brain.
Speaker 2: Were you on it? Were you on birth control, No, ma'am,
Speaker 2: so I never. I never took birth control either, even
Speaker 2: though I have, oh you have, Oh yes, I was
Speaker 2: never on birth control. Oh I was on birth control.
Speaker 2: I was just like a.
Speaker 1: Big fan of it, Like it made my skin clear. Crazy.
Speaker 2: So the pill made me crazy.
Speaker 1: I U D.
Speaker 2: I did do IUD for a while. Yeah, it made
Speaker 2: me nuts. In between, I'm not saying don't go on
Speaker 2: you know people out there, but I'm just yeah, it
Speaker 2: made me nuts. Yeah, I went crazy, and we don't
Speaker 2: need to be any more crazy, so no, I.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, for me, I think it actually made me
Speaker 1: less crazy. I don't know if it had any long
Speaker 1: term effects, like maybe I'd be a better version of
Speaker 1: myself now had I never been on it. But my
Speaker 1: thing is like she also like muckerdoses mushrooms and she
Speaker 1: smokes weed, and I'm like, okay, how are you okay
Speaker 1: with that stuff? Because it's like, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: fringe medicine, but you're not okay with like like sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm just like you're just you're just picking a side
Speaker 1: to pick a side, like you just want to be contrary.
Speaker 2: But I think that's like America right now though, like
Speaker 2: everyone just like picks aside and digs their heels in.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it doesn't even have to be this polarizing.
Speaker 2: We could just actually listen to each other and like
Speaker 2: hear what we have to say, and that would be
Speaker 2: okay too. Remember those days when we used to all
Speaker 2: do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What was it? I said?
Speaker 2: Do you remember the days when we all used to do that,
Speaker 2: like actually hear each other and have a conversation instead
Speaker 2: of it being like like listen.
Speaker 1: With the intent to understand, not to respond, and also
Speaker 1: like not just yes, I totally I'm one thousand percent
Speaker 1: This girl, Africa Brooks. I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 1: of her, but that's her whole shick that like everybody
Speaker 1: is afraid to speak or to be curious about something
Speaker 1: without with the fear of offending somebody. Like I was
Speaker 1: just on a trip and there were two there were
Speaker 1: a couple, two dads and they have three kids, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, Okay, this is probably
Speaker 1: the stupidest question, and I hope it's not not offensive,
Speaker 1: but I'm just so curious. I'm like, how do you
Speaker 1: know what which kid the dad's calling? Like if they
Speaker 1: call you both dad and they're like, there are no
Speaker 1: stupid questions, and I applaud you for for like asking me.
Speaker 1: I feel like people sometimes just like don't say anything,
Speaker 1: which is more awkward. It's like we should feel free
Speaker 1: to ask our silly questions because we haven't all had
Speaker 1: the same life experience.
Speaker 2: Right, what did they say? Because now I'm curious.
Speaker 1: He said ones called daddy and one's called dad, but
Speaker 1: sometimes they call them both dad. But that they could
Speaker 1: tell just by like the tone of the voice. Ah, right,
Speaker 1: which makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean I personally, and I even tell
Speaker 2: the girls because we haven't usually another host with us, Catherine,
Speaker 2: and she's our opposer. Usually. Well that's I'm like, don't
Speaker 2: agree with me because I'm like I don't want to
Speaker 2: listen to something where everyone's like yeah I agree, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: let's you know, I'm like, have a debate with me,
Speaker 2: like I you know, we have very different opinions, so
Speaker 2: let's like, let's voice that I think in this day
Speaker 2: and age, like you're saying, it's people. Don't people just
Speaker 2: want to go straight to like, oh, you must be
Speaker 2: anti this, Like no, I'm not. I'm just these are
Speaker 2: just my views. You don't have to agree with me,
Speaker 2: and you also don't have to be mean and hateful
Speaker 2: towards it too. We're all afraid of being canceled too.
Speaker 2: Like I'm afraid of getting two people canceled because I
Speaker 2: have this is my best friend and my husband's in
Speaker 2: country music. So I'm like, I have to be extra care,
Speaker 2: I know, because I could get both of them canceled fast.
Speaker 1: I know. That's like my sister. My sister's like like
Speaker 1: my mom has very she has very strong views, and
Speaker 1: she's one of those people who just like put it
Speaker 1: all on Facebook, and my sister like made her delete
Speaker 1: all of it because it's like what we say is
Speaker 1: a reflection of each other in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: And so sometimes my sisters will text me and be like,
Speaker 1: we take your story down right now, like we're not
Speaker 1: going the.
Speaker 2: Wild card I to do.
Speaker 1: I love you, Thank you guys.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for coming on Wine Down. I love you.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that we were able to connect. And
Speaker 2: We're going to listen to your podcast and yeah when
Speaker 2: I'm in La this week.
Speaker 1: Let's oh you're coming this week?
Speaker 2: Yeah for a week.
Speaker 1: Oh amazing. If you have to have three like forty
Speaker 1: five minutes and you're in West Hollywood, please stop by,
Speaker 1: dear media, because we would love to have you on.
Speaker 2: It would be so fun. Yeah, that'd be so fun.
Speaker 1: I would love to.
Speaker 2: Help her pack a box because she's got to get
Speaker 2: out quick.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: We got to get you out, girl, We've got to
Speaker 2: get you out of your place.
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. Then we'll go on like speed dating
Speaker 1: or something fun. Oh yeah, I'll swipe have any friends.
Speaker 2: He's got a brother and he's got uh they're all married.
Speaker 2: I think the ones in English married. He's not married.
Speaker 2: He's got an older son. He's Scottish. Okay, the accents enough.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, the accents really get our little
Speaker 2: American hearts. They knock them out.
Speaker 1: Best is your is your husband Scottish shoe or English
Speaker 1: or something?
Speaker 2: No, mine's just super Southern. Oh yeah, Southern accents. How
Speaker 2: I get myself in this position?
Speaker 1: So, oh my god. Yeah, maybe that's what I need.
Speaker 1: I just needed an accent. My ACX was from Boston
Speaker 1: and that accents, that's not it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of birth control, that'll do it for me. And
Speaker 2: I hate to be offensive. That's a birth control for me.
Speaker 2: All right, girl, Well, we will chat with you soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks so much guys.
Speaker 2: Ye what a fun a. I love Wildcard Aurora. She's fun.
Speaker 2: I just like how like, I don't know, there's just
Speaker 2: something really free. But it's not a challenge. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say free. Yeah, it's not like you know how sometimes
Speaker 2: people that are free I'm putting in air quotes like
Speaker 2: that free speech are like a like liveing a fence.
Speaker 2: She doesn't. She's just like, yeah here I am. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: once a year would never work for me. I just
Speaker 2: want to be really clear. I would never Oh yeah's
Speaker 2: a bigger woman than I am. I again, I this
Speaker 2: is my have to stay politically correct and things. I
Speaker 2: gave mine seven but not because I said so. No.
Speaker 2: But if it works for you, that's great. I just
Speaker 2: know for me that ain't gonna fly. No. Same And
Speaker 2: I'm a little territorial Cramer, I mean you and I
Speaker 2: both Yeah, I'm but no, that's mine. Yeah, I set
Speaker 2: like it gets a little like that geo like animal kingdom.
Speaker 2: For me, I just well and I have and again
Speaker 2: I believe in the you know, the respect and the
Speaker 2: love and that it will be hard. But that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean to go sleep with someone else, no, and personally
Speaker 2: for me in my relationships. And that's what I think
Speaker 2: is so cool though it is about these conversations is
Speaker 2: like it is. I felt like for a long long
Speaker 2: time everyone was quiet. It was like the minute someone
Speaker 2: made a mistake in a marriage, no one was working
Speaker 2: on it. Like my Dallas mom Pam was the first
Speaker 2: person to sit down with me and be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: she was on her third husband when she was open
Speaker 2: about loved it, and she was like, listen, it's not
Speaker 2: always incredible. You really have to work well. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing too, Like we've both been a cheater in
Speaker 2: past relationships, and it's like I don't want that for that,
Speaker 2: Like that's not who I wasn't wanting to be or
Speaker 2: intending to be or any of those things, you know.
Speaker 2: So like, and I think some people just don't work
Speaker 2: well together too. Yes, I just talked to someone the
Speaker 2: other day who's going through divorce and she was like,
Speaker 2: I mean he's a good person, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's okay that you don't mesh together either, right, Like,
Speaker 2: no matter the work. Wow, Craamer, we really went all
Speaker 2: over today. How's the contractions? I mean, I had a
Speaker 2: strong one. While I was talking to her, I hope
Speaker 2: it's today. I feel ready. It's funny to feel ready
Speaker 2: because I've been so like hopeless romantic because I know
Speaker 2: this is my last time. That's the emotional part. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I here we go. Oh, I know, nobod, it's good.
Speaker 2: Why you crying because that's what I do. No, it's
Speaker 2: just hot when it's your last. Like, I didn't think
Speaker 2: i'd even get to do this again. So I've just hear. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I acted like legend was our last anyways,
Speaker 2: and I soaked it up, and you know me, I'm
Speaker 2: just such a feeling creature anyways. But yeah, I'm like
Speaker 2: really ready to know who this person is. And then
Speaker 2: I just also am like, oh, like every kick, I'm
Speaker 2: like taking videos. It's like I can't bottle it up
Speaker 2: fast enough. It's a lot. When more week, maybe less,
Speaker 2: maybe another hour? Well, my last baby, why don't you
Speaker 2: send us off? Oh creamer, goodbye house, Goodbye pregnant belly.
Speaker 2: Next time we are on Windown, we'll be out of
Speaker 2: a different location and down one lass heartbeat on the couch.
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you too. This is a
Speaker 2: good end of the chapter. Front I'm proud of you.
Speaker 2: Proud of you baby. Let's pack a box and have
Speaker 2: a baby. Okay, yours not mine. Mine's too soon. Go
Speaker 2: bye and bye. Mhm