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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Shock arrest after a local hotel finds a trail of

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Speaker 2: blood leading all the way to the shower. After the

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Speaker 2: brutal murder of Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife

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Speaker 2: Michelle found stabbed in their beds, multiple stab wounds, slices,

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Speaker 2: including slices to the arterial veins across the neck. This

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Speaker 2: as in the last hours, a high profile lawyer strides

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Speaker 2: in insisting his client is innocent. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered.

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Speaker 3: Their daughter came across the street that she was right

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Speaker 3: across the road, and.

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Speaker 2: Then she finds their bodies. They had multiple stab wounds.

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Speaker 4: I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it

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Speaker 4: was coke and something else, and I was up for

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Speaker 4: days on end, and I started punching out different things

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Speaker 4: in my guest.

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Speaker 1: Outs, like a frame, like what like a stuff.

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Speaker 4: Started with the TV, and then I went over to

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Speaker 4: the lamp, and then progressively I just everything in the

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Speaker 4: guest house got wrecked.

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Speaker 6: Our office will be filing charges against Nick Reiner, who

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Speaker 6: was accused of killing his parents, actor director Rob Reiner

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Speaker 6: and photographer producer Michelle Singer Reiner. These charges will be

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Speaker 6: two counts of first degree murder with a special circumstance

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Speaker 6: of multiple murders. He also fast is a special allegation

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Speaker 6: that he personally used a dangerous and deadly weapon, that

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Speaker 6: being a knife.

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Speaker 2: You are hearing the local district attorney, and earlier you

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Speaker 2: were hearing Rob Reiner, Michelle Reiner's son Nick Reiner, describing

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Speaker 2: how he totally got spun out on uppers. I think

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Speaker 2: I was on coke and something else. I was up

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Speaker 2: for days on end and started punching out different things

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Speaker 2: in my guest house. Let me just do a quick

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Speaker 2: little correction right there, Kilo Brantley joining us, a reporter

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Speaker 2: at large dailymail dot com. It wasn't his guest house.

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Speaker 2: He was living on the largesse of his parents, Rob

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Speaker 2: and Michelle Reiner, and this wasn't the first time he

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Speaker 2: totally destroyed the guest house. I mean, the entitlement of

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Speaker 2: this guy. Is it true? From what very different from

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Speaker 2: what we first learned that Rob and Michelle Singer Reiner

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Speaker 2: were found their throats slit in their own bed. Is

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Speaker 2: that true? Kila Brantley.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: It was around Sunday at three point thirty pm when

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Speaker 8: their bodies were discovered. And what we're now learning is

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Speaker 8: Rob and Michelle Reiner had been dead in their bed

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Speaker 8: for some hours. So of course now the police are

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Speaker 8: putting together a timeline of when this could have happened.

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Speaker 8: We know Saturday night there was a fight with Nick

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Speaker 8: and his parents at a party at Conin O'Brien's house

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Speaker 8: at Christmas party, and by Sunday at three thirty pm

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Speaker 8: they were found dead.

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Speaker 2: Guys, in the last hours, video has emerged of the

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Speaker 2: sun Nick Reiner. Now this is after he allegedly murders

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Speaker 2: both his parents in their sleep. Which are going to

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Speaker 2: circle back to Phillip Dubay about I mean, talk about

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Speaker 2: stalking and predating upon someone attacking your parents in the dark,

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Speaker 2: in their sleep when they can't fight back. After that,

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Speaker 2: and after he checks into a local hotel and cleans up,

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Speaker 2: he's spotted here, let's take a look at Nick Reiner.

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Speaker 2: This is the latest happening. Now there he is, Wow,

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Speaker 2: he pet clean clothes, he has on a mat outfit.

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Speaker 2: Check it out. He's got on shoes, without blood, new

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Speaker 2: pants without blood. He's got a backpack, a jacket against

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Speaker 2: the cold, a hat. Let's keep watching this because I

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Speaker 2: see him walk in, fully aware of what's happening, going

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Speaker 2: doesn't he. This is from CBS News. By the way,

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Speaker 2: Philip Dubay joining us a high profile lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: La County, former public defender. There's gonna really be hard

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Speaker 2: for his new high profile lawyer, Alan Jackson, who represented

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Speaker 2: Karen Reid to argue mental defect because he looks completely

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Speaker 2: sane right there. He knew to pack. Could you take

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Speaker 2: him down please? He need to pack new clothes, fresh clothes.

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Speaker 2: What happened to the murder weapon? Has it been hidden?

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Speaker 2: Did he know enough to hide or discard the murder

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Speaker 2: What utensel did he use to stab his parents and

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Speaker 2: slit their throats? He knows how to go into a

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Speaker 2: for his food, his drink. Wow, he looks just like

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Speaker 2: you deby going into a gas station. You don't look

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Speaker 9: If you killed during the throes of psychosis, or if

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Speaker 9: NEF induced situation, like a form of methands psychosis, it

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Speaker 9: cannot form the basis of a lethod fats. The jury

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Speaker 9: can factor it in and deciding whether or not he

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Speaker 9: had the intent to kill, but you're not going to

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Speaker 9: walk away from it. And I think what the evidence

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Speaker 9: will probably show is that at some point he was

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Speaker 9: going through some type of the drug induced euphoria, likely

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Speaker 9: what we call that meth or cocaine crash. And that's

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Speaker 9: why you're seeing him so calm afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, uh huh. Did you interview Nick Reiner and

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Speaker 2: learn all this or you just guessing, You're just projecting

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Speaker 2: he was on meth he was on coke. Now he's

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Speaker 2: in an uphoric downer, and he was a psychosist at

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Speaker 2: the time he murdered his parents. You're just kind of extrapolating,

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Speaker 2: is that right?

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Speaker 9: I am telling you. He is a statistic He is

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Speaker 9: the mirror image of that homeless drug addicted population out

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Speaker 9: there that goes through that meth or cocai. It dissipates

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Speaker 9: and then they crash and during that crash stage they

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Speaker 9: are cool.

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Speaker 2: You're saying the same thing again? Or am I caught

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Speaker 2: in a demonic echo chamber? Are you making this all up?

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Speaker 2: Did anybody tell you this? Are you co cal with

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Speaker 2: a high profile lawyer and you know this by some

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Speaker 2: interview with a diffendant? Or are you just spinning it out?

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Speaker 9: That's the yes, I am enriching you as to what

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Speaker 9: the likelihood is.

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Speaker 3: That's really what's being okay.

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Speaker 2: So where did you get your information? If you could

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Speaker 2: reveal that.

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you what tipped me off that that's what

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Speaker 9: happened when he was arrested. They booked him into the

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Speaker 9: Twin Towers Correctional Facility rather than the Men's County jail.

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Speaker 9: So what that and that is the largest psych hospital

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Speaker 9: in the United States within a jail system. It tells

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Speaker 9: me that at the point of the step.

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Speaker 2: To stop, you must cut his mic because for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 2: Paris Hilton was booked in the Twin towers. That means

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Speaker 2: nothing to me. The fact that he's in the twins town.

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Speaker 2: You are spinning out like ru rubble still skin. You're

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Speaker 2: taking mangy looking with hay and you're turning it into gold.

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Speaker 2: But guess what that doesn't work with a venoin try lawyer.

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Speaker 2: That would be me the live stop right here. You

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Speaker 2: know nothing about his mental state. You know nothing about

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Speaker 2: whether he was on speed, whether it's on meth, whether

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Speaker 2: he's on coke, much less a euphick downer after bottom line.

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 2: Why am I asking a JD like myself mental health

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Speaker 2: questions when I've got doctor Bethany Marshall with me, renowned

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Speaker 2: psycho analyst joining us of this jurisdiction along with Dubay,

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Speaker 2: author of deal Breakers. You can see her on Peacock

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Speaker 2: now and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Philip Dubay is talking about statistics, and all

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Speaker 2: trial lawyers know, if they've ever tried a case and

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Speaker 2: they're not just a talking head, that statistics are overwhelmingly

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Speaker 2: disallowed as evidence at court. So that's not happening now.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if Rainer as in the son Nick

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Speaker 2: Reiner had been on meth. It doesn't matter if he's

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Speaker 2: on coke. It doesn't matter what he's on. Voluntary use

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Speaker 2: of drugs or alcohol not a defense, Bethany, I would

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Speaker 2: like you to look at your screen. We're gonna look

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Speaker 2: at this gas station video again. A lot of you

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Speaker 2: may be wondering why is this important? Because Alan Jackson

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Speaker 2: has swooped in the Karen Reid lawyer. This is from

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Speaker 2: CBS News, by the way, and I already see, as

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Speaker 2: Dubay said rightfully, that they're gonna try a metal defense argument. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but look at this guy. This is a couple of

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Speaker 2: hours after he allegedly slits the throats of both of

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Speaker 2: his parents. You know why, because he just couldn't take

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Speaker 2: living in that multimillionaire home, that lifestyle he was given

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Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, I see somebody walking casually around in

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Speaker 10: Mini March getting a drink. He show signs of drug

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Speaker 10: quite calm to me. So instead of putting this in

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Speaker 10: the drug addiction category where somebody's on mess and there's overkill,

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Speaker 10: which I speculated to yesterday. What I'm going to say

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Speaker 10: now is that often with domestic homicide, when somebody successfully

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Speaker 10: kills a family member, there's an extraordinary relief phase afterwards.

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Speaker 10: So they will be quite calm. They will like go shopping,

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Speaker 11: They will go out.

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Speaker 10: And enjoy their lives. Now, in terms of drug abuse,

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Speaker 10: I've been looking at all the interviews last night, Nancy,

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Speaker 10: Rob Reiner's son is he does a lot of what

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Speaker 10: which means that he has tart of dyskenesia, which is

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Speaker 10: a signed of antipsychotic medication. Meaning this guy was in

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Speaker 2: I want to go to Rob Shooter joining us, a

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Speaker 2: star of Naughty but Nice podcast, author of a brand

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Speaker 2: new book, It Started with a Whisper, which is a

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Speaker 2: big hit on Amazon. Now. You can find him at

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Speaker 2: Robsheeter dot substact dot com publicist to the stars, you know,

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Speaker 2: Rob Sheheeter. I'm going to put you under the microscope

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Speaker 2: right now and do a lightning round. Isn't it true?

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Speaker 2: You know Nick Reiner? Isn't that true?

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Speaker 3: I've met Nick Rider?

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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Speaker 2: So then simple answer, yes, And you have actually sat

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Speaker 2: That's not a yes, no, but whatever. When you were

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Speaker 2: with him, did he seem psychotic or just a spoiled brad.

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Speaker 3: A spoiled brat.

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Speaker 13: He felt entitled, explained he turned up late from meeting

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Speaker 13: So he wanted to meet with me in La and

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Speaker 13: When he turned up, he was rude to the staff,

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Speaker 13: you're rude to people. I remember at one point they

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Speaker 13: really shockingly shockingly quick, and then came back down and

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Speaker 13: He was struggling. He wanted to be a really successful screenwriter.

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Speaker 3: My experience is zero. I have never written a screenplay.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there was no craft there. He didn't come to

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Speaker 13: And this is not that uncommoney, It very rarely happens.

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Speaker 2: Okay, does that change your opinion? Dr Bethany Marshall, what

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Speaker 10: Changes a lot for me too. I was fascinated by

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Speaker 10: Entitlement is the expectation of reward without achievement. You want

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Speaker 10: They have to surround themselves with a community that will

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Speaker 2: To air tonight, we are learning the district attorney there

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Speaker 2: Court the murtyrs of Rob Reiner and wife Michelle Singer

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Speaker 2: And in the last hours, Nick Reiner, suspect number one

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Speaker 12: What happened Nancy? Essentially nothing? Alan Jackson tells the judge

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Speaker 2: said very little in court. He appeared behind glass, he

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Speaker 2: Nick Rhyner's arrayment originally scheduled for this week, but once

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Speaker 2: They arrest Rob Reiner and Michelle Singer, Reiner's son, goes

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Speaker 15: He was arrested in in a public area in the

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Speaker 15: He was approached by the officers and he was arrested

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Speaker 2: what happened? Tell me about how the arrest went down.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, as you can see from those pictures and as

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Speaker 8: He didn't put up a fight, and you can see

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Speaker 7: Away very easily.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about what was found at the hotel.

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Speaker 7: It was a horrific scene.

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Speaker 8: Now, what we've learned is that there was blood everywhere.

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Speaker 8: He's obviously changed his clothes. There was no blood on

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Speaker 2: You're right, Calebrantley, dailymail dot com. Take a listen to

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Speaker 2: the LA district's attorney.

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Speaker 6: One of these special allegations is that the murder was

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Speaker 2: The local district attorney seemingly correcting himself, pausing there about

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Speaker 2: the weapon well, it will be located. It was located,

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Speaker 2: That tells me that the weapon has been discarded. Much

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Speaker 2: like in the Brian Coburger case. We found the knife

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Speaker 2: Interesting joining me Scott Iiker, digital forensics expert, founding member

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Speaker 2: of the FBI Cellular Analysis serve A Team FBI twenty

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Speaker 2: two years and former homicide detective in Norfolk. Scott, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. I want to find that weapon,

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Speaker 2: and after much analysis, I think the best way to

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Speaker 2: find the weapon is to track Nick Reiner's sell phone.

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Speaker 16: How do we do it, Well, there are several different

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Speaker 16: ways to do that. You've got all the different applications

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Speaker 16: on the cell phone and the cellular connections that the

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Speaker 16: cell phone makes all the time when it's on, so

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Speaker 16: you can track the towers. You can get more detailed

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Speaker 16: information from distance from the towers, and you might be

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Speaker 16: able to get some information from the applications like Google,

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Speaker 16: of Facebook, Instagram. All those provide some locational information so

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Speaker 16: you can track him historically from the house to the

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Speaker 16: hotel and maybe or to where he was arrested, which

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Speaker 16: was about, you know, twelve thirteen miles away, so there's

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Speaker 16: a good amount of distance between those locations. So they

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Speaker 16: got their work cut out to try to figure it out.

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Speaker 16: But obviously they've got this video. They've gotten to a

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Speaker 16: point they're putting a timeline together and they're just going

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Speaker 16: to chronologically go through each little step to see where

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Speaker 16: they could figure out where he might have.

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Speaker 2: Put that night, that gas station video from our friends

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Speaker 2: at CBS. So I'm going to go out on a

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Speaker 2: limb here and go back to Phillip d Bay. He

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Speaker 2: is actually a veteran trial lawyer. He's a defense attorney,

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Speaker 2: and he has been with the La County Public Defender's Office.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? They're on trial all the time,

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Speaker 2: just like assistant district attorneys. There are thousands of cases

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Speaker 2: to be handled, and you've got to go to trial

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Speaker 2: or else you get fired. Very simply put, Philip Dubay,

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Speaker 2: this guy may have been in the movie Maylleu. He's

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Speaker 2: been around screenwriters, he's been around stars, he's been around

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Speaker 2: plenty of who Done It movies. But do you really

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Speaker 2: think that he thought too. He's only alleged to communities crimes.

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Speaker 2: But would he have thought so deeply to think, Oh,

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Speaker 2: let me turn my phone off before I get rid

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Speaker 2: of the murder weapon, let me put it on airplane mode.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Remember one of our last suspects

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Speaker 2: that put the phone on airplane mode?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that would be very more few whose phone went

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Speaker 2: on airplane mode around the time his wife was killed

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Speaker 2: or went missing. So, Philip Dbay, do you really think

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Speaker 2: he thought that deeply when he got rid of the weapon.

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Speaker 9: No, and I'll tell you why. I can tell by

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Speaker 9: the charges. The prosecution is not a legend that this

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Speaker 9: was a planned, premeditated murder. The only reason why he's

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Speaker 9: rising to the level of it being a special circumstance

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Speaker 9: is because there were multiple victims. They're not even a

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Speaker 9: legend that he did it for financial gain, which certainly

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Speaker 9: is the classic motive, particularly in the Hollywood. So what

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Speaker 9: you really have here is somebody who is out of

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Speaker 9: his mind, again likely due to psychosis, drugs, or maybe

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Speaker 9: even an untreated personality disorder, who flew off the handle

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Speaker 9: in a fit of rage for whatever reason, and fled

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Speaker 9: while still in that Either drug induce psychosis or some

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Speaker 9: type of mental health crisis. Does it excuse the behavior?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, City Sumner, that was all my

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Speaker 2: fault because you never on the stand anyway, ask a

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Speaker 2: witness a question that you don't already know the answer to.

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Speaker 2: So I ask him, do they about the weapon and

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Speaker 2: where it would have been discarded? And was the cell

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Speaker 2: phone turned on or off at the time the weapon

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Speaker 2: was discarded? And he goes back to his pretend drug

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Speaker 2: psychosis theory. Sidney Sumner, let's get some facts. Joining me

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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner along with Kila Brandley, Daily Mail Sidney Sumner,

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter. What exactly are the charges against

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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner? We just heard the district attorney speaking. What

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Speaker 2: are the charges?

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Speaker 11: Well, Nick Reiner is charged with two counts of murder

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Speaker 11: with the special circumstances of multiple murders because he killed

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Speaker 11: two people at the same time and that special circumstance

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Speaker 11: of using a deadly weapon.

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Speaker 2: Sidney, Aren't those murder charges first degree murder? Isn't that true?

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Speaker 11: You're right, Nancy, they are first degree murder.

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Speaker 2: And in this jurisdiction of California, murder one is murder

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Speaker 2: with malice of forethought. That's what murder one is in California, Sidney.

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Speaker 11: Exactly, So there is some assumption that this was premeditated

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Speaker 11: in some degree.

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Speaker 2: So when we hear Philip Dubay state that this is

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Speaker 2: not uh, these are not charges that include intent, that's

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Speaker 2: diametrically opposed to what the charges actually are. The charge

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Speaker 2: is murder one. Again out on a limb, Debay. Under

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Speaker 2: the law, there is no specific time required to prove

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Speaker 2: malice of forethought, or as we call it, premeditation. Premeditation

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Speaker 2: to commit an act can be formed in the blink

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Speaker 2: of an eye, the twinkling of the moment. Isn't that true? Debay?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is, okay, So when you say.

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Speaker 2: The charges do not include uh intent, that's actually not correct.

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Speaker 2: This is a murder one charge.

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Speaker 10: Is it.

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 9: No, I didn't say that it was not intentional. What

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Speaker 9: I'm saying is it wasn't planned in pre media this

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Speaker 9: you did?

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Speaker 2: Didn't he say that? Control room? Didn't he just say

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Speaker 2: that they're saying, yes, you did, just say that.

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Speaker 9: Well, then I retract.

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Speaker 2: We've got it on tape. Do I have to play

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Speaker 2: it back for you? For Pete's say, like the gas

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Speaker 2: station video.

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Speaker 9: Is absolutely an intentional act, but it was not planned

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Speaker 9: and premeditated.

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Speaker 3: In other words, it was for the moment.

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Speaker 9: There's a difference.

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Speaker 11: Murder.

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Speaker 2: One is premeditated murder. I feel like I'm screaming at

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Speaker 2: a lamppost. Yes it is murder. One is with malice

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Speaker 2: a forethought.

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Speaker 9: Malice of four thought standing alone does not necessarily mean premeditated.

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Speaker 9: It's a separate element.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Okay, what do you think malice of

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Speaker 2: four thought is? Because I'm looking up black slaw dictionary

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Speaker 2: right now, go ahead. I can't wait to hear this.

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Speaker 2: What do you think malice of four thought is?

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Speaker 9: Malis of four thought? Is intentional killing? That's the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: Either, yes, that's right.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 9: However, yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: It's intentional killing in you form intent, you have a plan.

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Speaker 9: Not necessarily absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: I'm wasting very valuable time arguing with you about what

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Speaker 2: you just admitted these charges and correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: Killer Brantley h joining us from dallymail dot com on

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Speaker 2: this from the very very beginning, Kila Brantley, he Nick

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Speaker 2: Reiner is charged with premeditated malice murder. That is what

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Speaker 2: first degree murder is. He is also charged with felony murder.

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Speaker 2: That's an alternative count, which means you don't have intent.

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Speaker 2: The state doesn't have to prove you had intent. But

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Speaker 2: a death occurred very simply during the commission of a felony.

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Speaker 2: In this case, that felony would clearly be aggravated assault

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Speaker 2: with a NiFe. You don't have to have intent to

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Speaker 2: prove felony murder, just that a death occurred during the

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Speaker 2: commission of a felony. And a sentence for felony murder

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Speaker 2: can be life without parole or death penalty. Again, tell

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Speaker 2: me the charge is Keila Brantley.

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Speaker 7: It's two first degree murder charges.

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Speaker 8: There's the special circumstance and the special weapon charge right there,

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Speaker 8: and like you said, either life in prison without the

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Speaker 8: possibility of parole or the death penalty.

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Speaker 6: Nick Reiner will be then brought to court. He is

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Speaker 6: going through medical clearance, something that everybody who goes who

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Speaker 6: gets arrested and gets held in a Los Angeles County

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Speaker 6: Sheriff's Department jail goes through. Once he is medically cleared,

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Speaker 6: he will be brought to court to be arraigned on

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Speaker 6: these charges. At that point he will enter a plea

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Speaker 6: of guilty or not guilty.

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Speaker 2: Kila Brantley joining us deallymail dot com. Why was he

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Speaker 2: a no show in court?

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Speaker 8: According to Reiner's lawyer Alan Jackson, he wasn't medically cleared

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Speaker 8: to appear in court.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 8: We don't know exactly what that means, but as you

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Speaker 8: heard there, that's something that's very standard. Everyone needs to

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Speaker 8: get medically cleared. Now, this could be a psych evaluation,

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Speaker 8: it could be a regular medical evaluation.

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Speaker 7: We're still finding that out.

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Speaker 2: It could be him refusing to put his clothes on.

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Speaker 2: It could be him clinging to his bunk and refusing

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Speaker 2: to go. We don't know what it is. Dbay, what

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Speaker 2: is the reason that he was not quote medically cleared?

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Speaker 2: Don't make something up? Okay, he missed court?

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Speaker 9: Why I'm telling you. When he got booked, they brought

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Speaker 9: him to the Twin Towers Correctional Facility and they put

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Speaker 9: him in the medical unit. My hunches and it's just

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Speaker 9: based on my years of doing this stuff that when

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Speaker 9: they arrested him, they felt he was a danger to

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Speaker 9: himself or to others still, so they put him under

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Speaker 9: what's my guess is they put him under what's called

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Speaker 9: a fifty one to fifty status where It's basically an

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Speaker 9: involuntary hold for a minimum of seventy two hours unless

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Speaker 9: and until he is cleared by a doctor, and that

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Speaker 9: includes going to court. If he is still psychotic, he

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Speaker 9: cannot be brought to court. So my hunch is that

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Speaker 9: they needed to medicate him to therapeutic levels, at least

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Speaker 9: in the short term, so he could be brought to

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Speaker 9: court for the arraignment. If they need to extend the hold,

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Speaker 9: they can do it, I believe up to two weeks.

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Speaker 9: Anything beyond that they have to go into court, the

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Speaker 9: Mental Health Court for an order extending the involuntary hold

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Speaker 9: pending arraignment.

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Speaker 2: To Quila Brantley, have you heard anything at all about

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Speaker 2: him being in psychosis suicide watch? What do you know

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Speaker 2: if anything about that?

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Speaker 8: Not yet, we haven't heard anything about his current status.

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Speaker 8: But what we have found out from family friends of

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Speaker 8: the Reiners, people who knew him his entire life, is

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Speaker 8: that from an early age he appeared to be a

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Speaker 8: difficult child through tantrums. One of the sources is quoted

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Speaker 8: as saying he had anger in his eyes and at

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Speaker 8: some point his father, Rob Reiner, would have to restrain

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Speaker 8: him during these tantrums, and that those tantrums really progressed

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Speaker 8: into adulthood.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Just because Nick Reiner has been booked

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Speaker 2: into Twin Towers, that means nothing to me. Other people,

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Speaker 2: other celebrities have been there Cosby, Bill Cosby, OJ Simpson,

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Speaker 2: Al Capone, Ted Bundy, Birdman of Alcatraz, Bernie Madoff who

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Speaker 2: worked the world's largest Ponzi scheme. He certainly wasn't crazy.

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Speaker 2: He was brilliant, evil, but brilliant, and many many others.

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Speaker 2: How Debey is extrapolating because he went to Twin Towers

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Speaker 2: must mean he's on a psychiatric hold. That doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is happening, Doctor Bethany?

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Speaker 10: Another tantrum, another tantrum out of an abundance of caution.

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Speaker 10: They're going to make sure he doesn't want to harden

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Speaker 10: himself or other people. But he's not a risk there.

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Speaker 10: What I'm going to say is when you diagnose people,

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Speaker 10: you can diagnose them on five axes. Access one is

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Speaker 10: mental disorders. Access to is personality disorders. They're treating him

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Speaker 10: like he has a mental disorder, but this, Nancy, this

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Speaker 10: is personality driven. He had tantrums from the time he

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Speaker 10: was very little. According to one report, when he was

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Speaker 10: eleven years old, he had such a huge tantrum that

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Speaker 10: his father had to put him in a big bear

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Speaker 10: hug and hold him to help him regulate down into

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Speaker 10: a normal state. Could it be that.

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Speaker 2: Nick Bethany is Bethany? Can I tell you something pleased

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Speaker 2: before you say one more word before we hear any more?

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Speaker 2: Made up theories from Philip Dubay, and he wins a

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Speaker 2: lot of cases on arguments just like this, the way

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Speaker 2: Paris Hilton, who has since become quite the hero on

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Speaker 2: various fronts and now is a married mom. Paris Hilton

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Speaker 2: was put in the Twin Towers after violating probation from

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Speaker 2: a dui. She was put there because she was quote claustrophobic,

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Speaker 2: all right, So all of Dubay spinning out his theories

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Speaker 2: that's not supported by the facts we know tonight. He

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Speaker 2: just happened to be booked into Twin Towers. It's in

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Speaker 2: that jurisdiction, So that really means nothing to me probatively

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Speaker 2: at this juncture. But I do know he's hired a

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Speaker 2: very high profile lawyer, Alan Jackson.

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Speaker 14: We'll be back day to day.

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Speaker 3: The bailiff has indicated that the Sheriff's.

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Speaker 13: Department will take it on a day, day by day basis,

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Speaker 13: and so hopefully we'll be kid tomorrow that you can.

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Speaker 2: Get a pear from our friends at Fox News Digital

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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner. Who is paying for him?

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Speaker 11: That is the million dollar question. I don't think his

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Speaker 11: siblings are footing the bill, and I don't know what

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Speaker 11: kind of funds he has access to that don't belong

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Speaker 11: to his parents. So it's very unclear where Alan Jackson

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Speaker 11: is going to get his paycheck from.

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Speaker 2: Two special guests joining us now Doctor Kendall Crown's renowned

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Speaker 2: chief medical examiner of Terrant County. That's fort Worth. He

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Speaker 2: is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine

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Speaker 2: at TCU, and he's the star of a hit view podcast,

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Speaker 2: Mayhem and the Morgue. But don't be filled by his

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Speaker 2: joviality on his podcast. He has conducted thousands and thousands

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Speaker 2: of autopsies, Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Crowns. There's a big difference in stab wounds and

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Speaker 2: the slicing of his parents' throats. What would the stab

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Speaker 2: wounds to the body, not the slicing of the throats

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Speaker 2: indicate to you.

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Speaker 14: So stab wound is a wound that is actually long

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Speaker 14: longer than it or the wound itself is shorter than

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Speaker 14: it is deep. So as the knife enters into the skin,

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Speaker 14: it leaves a wound that is very small, but the

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Speaker 14: actual wound course is very deep. The wounds they're describing

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Speaker 14: on the rhiners is a slashing wound or in sized

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Speaker 14: wound that is longer than it is deep. So it's

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Speaker 14: kind of a shallow wound that hits multiple organs or

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Speaker 14: multiple vessels, but doesn't go very deep into the tissues.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me understand something, doctor Kendal Crowns. Even though

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Speaker 2: the slicing mess you just made doesn't have to be deep,

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Speaker 2: in fact, it can be quite shallow. That would likely

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Speaker 2: be the mortal wound. And why.

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Speaker 14: So the vessels are the structures in your neck prouded

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Speaker 14: a jugular vein, you're trachea. They're all very close to

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Speaker 14: the surface, like millimeters or less than a quarter inch

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Speaker 14: below your skin. You have these vital structures. You hit

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Speaker 14: the crotted argery, it's going to start spurting blood out,

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Speaker 14: and it's going to be lots of blood coming out

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Speaker 14: in a very short period of time. You'll be dead

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Speaker 14: in minutes. If you just hit the jugular vein, it'll

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Speaker 14: start oozing heavily, and again you'll be dead in minutes.

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Speaker 14: You cut the cut the trachia, you're going to have

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Speaker 14: trouble breathing. And when you cut the trachia, you'll also

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Speaker 14: cut blood vessels. You'll get blood into your trachea. So

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Speaker 14: when you're dying, you're sucking in blood and you're basically

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Speaker 14: drowning in your own blood as you're bleeding to death.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kennel Crowns, we know that when their daughter Roamy

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Speaker 2: arrived and called authorities. The fire department arrived and they

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Speaker 2: stated that the rhiners were already in full rigor. That

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Speaker 2: tells me at approximate time of death. Could you explain so?

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Speaker 14: Rigor mortis is the stiffening of the joints that occurs

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Speaker 14: after you die. And what happened is your muscles continue

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Speaker 14: to use these the things they use fro metabolism even

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Speaker 14: after you die, and when they run out of these substances,

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Speaker 14: they go into full contraction. And this can start occurring

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Speaker 14: in about a half hour to an hour after death

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Speaker 14: and gets to a maximum about twelve hours, so it

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Speaker 14: starts in the small muscles first and then goes to

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Speaker 14: the larger muscles throughout your body. So if you see

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Speaker 14: full rigor, it could be about twelve hours, but it

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Speaker 14: can be affected by activity, drug use, how much blood

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Speaker 14: loss you've had, a number of other factors, how warm

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Speaker 14: it is in the house, So using it as an

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Speaker 14: exact time frame for the post wornum interval is difficult.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 12: Round.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that after a period of hours when

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Speaker 2: someone is in rigor, the rigor breaks and their the

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Speaker 2: deceased limbs become limber again.

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Speaker 14: Yes, after the twelve hour interval. After the twelve hour

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Speaker 14: interval of its setting up, you'll stay in full rigor

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Speaker 14: for about ten to twelve hours, and after that it

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Speaker 14: starts to subside and disappears over another twelve hours unless

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Speaker 14: someone moves it and breaks the rigor up manually, and

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Speaker 14: then it goes away completely. So you have about a

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Speaker 14: twenty four hour window of full rigor before it disappears.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is it twelve hours or twenty four hours?

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Speaker 14: So twelve hours is set up ten to twelve hours

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Speaker 14: after it sets up, where it stays in place, and

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Speaker 14: then after that it begins to subside over another twelve hours.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Dodger Kendall Crowns, what type of defensive wounds would

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Speaker 2: you have expected to be found on the shell and

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Speaker 2: Rob Reiner's bodies. We've heard nothing about defensive wounds such

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Speaker 2: as blocking with the hands, the arms, even curling up

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Speaker 2: in a fatal position and getting defensive wounds on the

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Speaker 2: knees or the legs. I've heard nothing about that. I've

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Speaker 2: only heard about stabs we believe to the torso.

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Speaker 14: So since they were in bed and may have been

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Speaker 14: in sleep, they could have not even seen this coming

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Speaker 14: and not had an opportunity to react. Since there's two individuals,

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Speaker 14: at least one individual probably was awoken by the other

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Speaker 14: individual being killed and may have had a chance to

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Speaker 14: defend themselves. They usually defensive wounds is what you see

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Speaker 14: as the individual trying to grab the knife and trying

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Speaker 14: not to be stabbed, and you'll see slices or in

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Speaker 14: sized wounds across the fingers, across the palm of the hand,

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Speaker 14: and then you'll see also in size wounds or stab

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Speaker 14: wounds of the forearms as they're trying to block the

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Speaker 14: block the knife of themselves. And again, like you said,

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Speaker 14: you may pull up your legs even and you'll see

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Speaker 14: stab wounds or in size wounds on the legs and feet.

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Speaker 10: Do we all just.

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Speaker 16: Forget that Rob Rider was on this list?

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Speaker 3: Or what now he's dead?

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Speaker 2: What the zany conspiracy theories have already started? Sidney Summer,

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Speaker 2: a Crime Stories investigative reporter, I don't recall Rob Reiner's

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Speaker 2: name being on the Epstein list, by the way. That's

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Speaker 2: from at Hunter Montross on TikTok.

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Speaker 11: Said, Well, the list that that user is standing in

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Speaker 11: front of is not real. That is a faith list

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Speaker 11: that has been circulating on social media, and Rob Reiner's

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Speaker 11: name is on that faith list and circled. But there's

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Speaker 11: no actual evidence supporting that he had any types to

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Speaker 11: Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: So sorry, Hunter, your zany conspiracy theory doesn't hold water.

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Speaker 2: Rob Reiner was not on the Epstein list for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 2: but there's no lack of theories. Maybe Philip Dubay can

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Speaker 2: use these as the defense listen.

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Speaker 5: Rob had been working on a series called The Spy

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Speaker 5: and the Asset. The series was going to be about

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Speaker 5: Putin and Donald Trump their upbringings, different ways they intersected,

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Speaker 5: and in Rob's words, what happens to democracy as a

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Speaker 5: result of this convergence, that relationship of Trump and Putin

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Speaker 5: being explored and extrapolated and navigated is going to bring

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of corruption up to the surface.

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Speaker 2: Right that? From at Studio A eight on TikTok to

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Speaker 2: Scott Iiker joining us, who was a founding member of

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Speaker 2: the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, Scott, I think I'd

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Speaker 2: rather rely not on zany conspiracy theories. I will leave

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Speaker 2: that to our veterman trial lawyer, Phillip Dbay. Scott, I'd

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Speaker 2: rather deal with hard facts. How difficult is it going

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Speaker 2: to be for me to trace Nick Reiner's cell phone,

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Speaker 2: where he went that night, any credit card or atm

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Speaker 2: use and what was it for? I need to track

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Speaker 2: not only his phone, but where there was a delay.

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Speaker 2: Even in the Alex Murdog case where Murdoch murdered his

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Speaker 2: wife Maggie and son Paul as he left the scene,

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Speaker 2: I got from his well. Prosecutor Waters got from his

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Speaker 2: nav system where he slowed down and the nav system

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Speaker 2: showed Scott Iiker him lowering the passenger side window electronically

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Speaker 2: that's where he threw out Maggie's cell phone. Then he

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Speaker 2: let the window up, sped up and went and hit

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Speaker 2: out at his mother's house, who had dementia and really

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Speaker 2: could not say what time he got there. That said,

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm looking for. You know, this guy didn't

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Speaker 2: think deeply enough to turn his phone on airplane mode

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Speaker 2: or turn it off when he discarded of the knife.

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Speaker 2: So how am I going to find the knife?

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Speaker 16: It sure does look like a crime of passion in

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Speaker 16: those instances. A lot of times the suspects do not

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Speaker 16: turn off the phones, don't think ahead like that. Once

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Speaker 16: you get the identified, identifying information about the suspect, phone records,

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Speaker 16: vehicle records, credit cards. Is really interesting how you can

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Speaker 16: put a timeline together and kind of piece together all

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Speaker 16: the things that happened before and after the crime.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Scott Iiker, you and I have both marveled at

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Speaker 2: the video montage put together by l E law enforcement

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Speaker 2: in the Photusdulo's case. They got him every which way

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Speaker 2: but loose on video from ring doorbell cams to stop

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Speaker 2: like cam. This is after his wife, Jennifer, the mother

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Speaker 2: of his five children, was murdered. I'm thinking that this

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Speaker 2: neighborhood is blanketed in ring doorbell and stop like cam

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Speaker 2: you name it. I bet they can follow him almost

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Speaker 2: everywhere he went. And if he took an uber or

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Speaker 2: share a right share, there may be video in there

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Speaker 2: that can help me track him and find the knife.

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Speaker 2: That said, here's another zany theory.

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Speaker 5: Listen up, do bay Nick Reiner, who is allegedly the

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Speaker 5: murderer in this case, the son of Robin Michelle, who

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Speaker 5: killed both of his parents. Allegedly, his name did not

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Speaker 5: appear on Google trends really at all. Here's it in

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Speaker 5: the United States, the United States, Nick Reiner. Nothing nothing.

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Speaker 5: This is showing starting yesterday fourteenth, So that was the

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Speaker 5: United States. This is what happens when you look up

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Speaker 5: the exact same query and only changed the geolocation to

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Speaker 5: be tel Aviv instead of the United States. Nick Reiner,

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Speaker 5: tel Aviv nothing nothing nothing. Oh, look at that two

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Speaker 5: bumps a couple months ago, last month. Interesting, all of

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Speaker 5: a sudden bumps, I can from.

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Speaker 2: S Studio A eight on TikTok so dobay. I guess

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Speaker 2: she's arguing you might want to take notes to put

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Speaker 2: this in with your drugs. Like hoastist theory that he

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Speaker 2: what is actually a spy. She's mentioning tel Aviv. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what that has to do with. Maybe he's

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Speaker 2: an avatar, maybe he's a good Maybe he doesn't even exist.

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Speaker 2: Then who's that sitting in the twin towers?

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Speaker 9: I gotta tell you, I think it's genius because if

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Speaker 9: we're all honest, it forms the basis of the not

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Speaker 9: guilty by reason of insanity defense. If he truly thinks

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Speaker 9: that he's going to be beamed up by the Starship

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Speaker 9: Enterprise and he's got all kinds of wild imagining.

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Speaker 2: Nobody said that. You said that, What else would it?

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Speaker 2: He just didn't have a Google profile, he had no

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Speaker 2: social media profile. The fact that we haven't, and now

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Speaker 2: you're claiming you've got another psychosis defense because he's not

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Speaker 2: a social media.

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Speaker 9: No, not because of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm happy you said that. I couldn't be

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Speaker 2: more happy. I hope you used that at trial, hey,

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Speaker 2: just to throw this into your crazy pot to Steve Listen.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump got on True Social and said this, which

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Speaker 5: is horrific and tonally and timeline wise to me, does

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Speaker 5: seem like a confession.

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Speaker 7: He's listed motive right there.

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Speaker 5: Means doesn't even need to be explained. And the funny

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Speaker 5: thing is he got on camera today and doubled down

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Speaker 5: on it again, specifically the part with Russia. He was like,

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Speaker 5: he's trying to look into this and dig all this

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Speaker 5: stuff up, and as you know, it's always the opposite

880
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Speaker 5: where like there's nothing weird there.

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Speaker 7: It's just so blatantly obvious.

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Speaker 2: At Studio eight on TikTok so dtor Bethany Marshall, I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's going to help Alan Jackson at this

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Speaker 2: juncture that Trump confess to a motive.

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Speaker 10: No, it is not. I mean, conspiracy theorists take something

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Speaker 10: that is sort of benign. I hate to call domestic

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Speaker 10: combicide benign, but it does happen, and they try to

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Speaker 10: spin a whole theory out of it, to try to

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Speaker 10: make it a part of a predictable universe.

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Speaker 11: But it's not.

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Speaker 10: You know, people love to form patterns, and so conspiracy

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Speaker 10: theorists will try to form a pattern out of an

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Speaker 10: outlier like domestic homicide, and that's all this is that

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Speaker 10: they're just trying to form a pattern, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: The investigation is ongoing right now. We are waiting for

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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner to appear in court. If you know anything

897
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Speaker 2: or think you know anything about the case, whether you

898
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Speaker 2: observed Reiner, observed him in the gas station, observed him

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Speaker 2: in a ride chair, anything, please help The LAPD dial

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Speaker 2: eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven repeat

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Speaker 2: eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven. Tonight

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Speaker 2: we remember an American hero investigator, Lewis Roller, Oklahoma District

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Speaker 2: Attorney's Office, killed in the line of duty after thirty

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Speaker 2: five years, leaving behind a wife turned widow in two children.

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Speaker 2: American hero investigator Lewis Roller. Nancy Gray signing off good

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Speaker 2: by friend,