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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong.

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Speaker 2: And Jetty and arm Strong and Jetty.

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Speaker 3: I was really proud to join every single one of

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Speaker 3: my Democratic colleagues on the Homeland Committee in invoking a

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Speaker 3: century old and little known law known as the rule

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Speaker 3: of five, to compel the Department of Justice to release

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Speaker 3: the full and complete Epstein files. Under federal law, when

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Speaker 3: any five Senators on the Homeland Security Committee call on

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Speaker 3: the Executive Branch, the executive branch must comply.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, that's all.

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Speaker 4: The most powerful Democrat in America lean in horror into

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Speaker 4: the Ebstein story.

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Speaker 1: He is incapable of shame. Speaking of shame, it would

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Speaker 1: be a terrible shame if this hour we did not

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Speaker 1: squeeze in two stories. I demand we talk about these

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Speaker 1: two stories this hour. Number one, what happened to one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars raised for the Southern California fire victims?

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Speaker 1: And number two, indonation monk in Goot Take two, Michael,

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Speaker 1: do we have enough tape? Indonesian monkey gangs? Are you

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Speaker 1: at risk?

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Speaker 2: Indonesian monkey gangs?

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned lest you be molested by Indonesian monkey gangs

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Speaker 1: or imges, as they're known in law enforcement.

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Speaker 4: Also, we've been mentioning that Kamala Harris is running for president.

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Speaker 4: She's got a book she's putting out. We got her

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Speaker 4: explaining what's in the book. I guess later this hour.

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Speaker 2: So that's good. So he's begun already. Yes, it's like Christmas.

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Speaker 2: So you got Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 4: He's the biggest deal in all the Democrats, right, He's

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Speaker 4: the leader of the Democrats in the Senate, most powerful

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Speaker 4: Democrat in America, saying, got to get the Epstein files.

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Speaker 4: I've invoked a one hundred year old law to try

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Speaker 4: to get the Epstein stuff to come out.

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Speaker 1: He's not alone. Here's the most powerful Republican short of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Speaker of the House Johnson being asked about

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Speaker 1: the Epstein files.

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Speaker 5: I want everything to come out about the Epstein evils

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Speaker 5: that is possible to be released. We have to do

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Speaker 5: it in a responsible manner. But look, I'm pushing for

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Speaker 5: aggressively for the full release of everything that is possible.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, so is the President. He has

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Speaker 5: said the same thing. We're using every mechanism within our

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Speaker 5: power to do that and to do it as quickly

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Speaker 5: as possible.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what is happening here. It just it's easy,

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Speaker 1: does I think it's fairly easy to understand. Okay, well

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Speaker 1: what you string for people who are into the thing, Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: how's it going to end? What's gonna happen? Oh gosh,

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Speaker 1: I guarantee Johnson is hoping it just peters out.

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Speaker 4: I think he's hoping an event happens something Russia, just

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Speaker 4: just some story bumps it and then we all forget

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 2: And then like nine months from now, you're saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: whatever happened to that whole Epstein thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously Schumer just wants to prolong it for just

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Speaker 1: pathetic will be completely unsuccessful, partisan reasons, desperately trying to

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Speaker 1: have something the Democrats can hang their hat on.

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Speaker 2: But it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Day after day goes by more strong statements and vows

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Speaker 1: and lies and truths, and the situation remains the same.

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Speaker 1: Granduary testimony is sealed and the judge is not going

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Speaker 1: to release sensitive information about victims and witnesses and people

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Speaker 1: who have.

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Speaker 2: Not been charged.

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Speaker 1: Those are like sacred principles of our judicial system. So Posturon,

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Speaker 1: good buddy Posturon.

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Speaker 4: So one of the big stories yesterday was Cash Betel,

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Speaker 4: guy who runs the FBI, said he found a whole

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Speaker 4: bunch of burn bags with Russian hoax documents. I'd never

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Speaker 4: heard that term before. Here's a little report on it

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Speaker 4: from Hannity last night.

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Speaker 6: Senator Charles Grassley has been investigating the collusion hoax and

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Speaker 6: those behind it for years, which is why these burn

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Speaker 6: bag documents were turned over to him. So the question becomes,

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Speaker 6: you know who ordered the plan burning, why did they

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Speaker 6: do it? And it doesn't matter if the material was classified,

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Speaker 6: you still cannot destroy it if it relates to an investigation.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's go clear to the top. Trump was

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Speaker 4: asked about the burn bags.

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Speaker 5: Tele burn eys and rushing ee materials, and he said,

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Speaker 5: what rushing eerials.

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Speaker 7: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what you mean by

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Speaker 2: that statement. Full of rushing burn Bank. So you said,

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Speaker 1: So he, like the rest of us, had never heard

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Speaker 1: burn Bag. Oh, he's well known, and Justice Circus says

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Speaker 1: he's doing great work, Edward burn Bag. So Trump, like

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Speaker 1: the rest of us, had never heard of burn Bags

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Speaker 1: had no idea what that hell that story is.

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Speaker 2: Burn Bag has paid his due time for him to

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Speaker 2: think he'd be good on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Next question, So this story is either a hilariously naked

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Speaker 1: attempt to distract and or come up with something for

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy world to chew on, or it's completely legit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you and I've got more good stuff

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Speaker 1: on this, but we'll never find time for it. But

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Speaker 1: the whole Clapper Brennan call me Russia Gate. The fix

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Speaker 1: was in, the evidence was fake, the FISA warrants were inaccurate.

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Speaker 1: Just if you go through all of that and comprehend

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Speaker 1: it and don't think maybe somebody tried to get a

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Speaker 1: bunch of get rid of a bunch of incriminating documents,

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Speaker 1: I think you're a fool.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make it true. But it's worth asking the.

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Speaker 4: Question, Hey, did you take in National Reviews take on

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Speaker 4: this the other day? I thought that was really interesting.

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Speaker 4: Particularly Charles C. W. Cook has written about this a lot.

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Speaker 4: This is a missing element of our politics in the

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Speaker 4: modern times. For some reason, the idea that there are

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Speaker 4: political solutions to these things and they often happen and

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Speaker 4: you should feel like, Okay, it's been taken care of,

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Speaker 4: because there are a number of things like this where

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Speaker 4: you feel like justice wasn't done.

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Speaker 2: There's a political solution.

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Speaker 4: People disliked the Democrats so much in part because of

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Speaker 4: this this sort of crap. They elected Trump instead of

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Speaker 4: Biden or Kamala hachieved them out of office. There was

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Speaker 4: a political solution there. Yeah, that is a good point

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Speaker 4: sometimes in the.

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Speaker 1: In the in the what we're doing, because as anybody

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Speaker 1: who's ever been involved in a lawsuit can tell you,

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Speaker 1: or you know, criminal prosecution for that matter, it's really hard.

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Speaker 1: It takes a really long time, and it's super expensive,

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Speaker 1: and if it's something that anybody has like decent plausible

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Speaker 1: the political solution is the best one you can hope for.

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Speaker 2: It's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's a pretty good solution if you're winning

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Speaker 1: big elections. It might not feel like maybe the same

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Speaker 1: satisfaction as seeing Clapper in jail. I guess Brennan is

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Speaker 1: the villain. Brennan in prison. But they lost and they

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Speaker 1: have the lowest approval rating for their party they've ever had. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because of this sort of stuff in the border and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other things, or Fauci all of that stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: people didn't end up in jail, but that party is

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Speaker 1: dying on the vine. Well, Fauci covered up the murder

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Speaker 1: of millions and probably facilitated it. But I see your point.

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Speaker 1: The point remains, Michael. It's like that on that side

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Speaker 1: was not that there were no repercussions for what they did.

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Speaker 1: There were great repercussions that you.

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Speaker 4: Would have thought was unelectable, like Donald Trump beat them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not entirely satisfying. But again it's a good point, Michael.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any sort of eerie music like scenes

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Speaker 1: setting me? I should have asked earlier, because I've got

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Speaker 1: my my eerie voice ready to go, my vaguely threatening

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Speaker 1: voiceover voice. But at a cliff side temple on the

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Speaker 1: tropical island of Bali, an unexpected group of criminals is

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Speaker 1: running one of the world's most sophisticated scam operations. Apparently

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Speaker 1: we don't have music that fits. I should have asked

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Speaker 1: for it earlier. An incompetent talk show host blames as

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Speaker 1: co workers when we all know where the blame lies.

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Speaker 2: For lots of planning.

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Speaker 1: Because he's got the attention span of a moth and

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Speaker 1: forgot to tell poor Michael this is this is perfect

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Speaker 1: by the way, Michael job, this is stunning.

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Speaker 2: Was worth taking the time to find the music? Where

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Speaker 2: were we all? That's right? In Bally.

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Speaker 1: Each week they steal dozens of phones, whilets and other

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Speaker 1: valuables from tourists in broad daylight and exchange.

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Speaker 2: Them for handsome rewards.

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Speaker 1: It's been going on for decades and nobody can stop it.

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Speaker 1: Who are the culprits? Read read read.

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Speaker 2: Long tailed my cacks.

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Speaker 1: Set a tourist from London whose sunglasses were stolen by

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Speaker 1: a monkey during a visit last year. The monkeys have

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Speaker 1: taken over the temples. They're running a scam. So running

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Speaker 1: a scam. The monkeys are running a scam. It's a

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Speaker 1: monkey scams. Where a monkey's taking my phone? It's a

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Speaker 1: Bali is at the southern tip of Indonesia, super popular

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Speaker 1: for tourists, and you got everything from parentesay.

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Speaker 2: In my life, will never be the same. And I thought, whatever,

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Speaker 1: The beaches and traditional fire dance shows, panoramic views, and

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Speaker 1: the Balinese Hindu temple sites that date back at least

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Speaker 1: to the eleventh century. Wow, so fascinating place in a

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Speaker 1: the temple in Bali. The sacred cows are actually monkeys.

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Speaker 1: So the primate researchers have found that these macaque monkeys steal.

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Speaker 2: We can't say that on the air, I think I can.

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Speaker 2: I'm cringing it. I know I love macaques.

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Speaker 1: These macaques steel belongings to you is this currency to

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Speaker 1: trade with humans for food and monkeys to be trained

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Speaker 1: to differentiate between high value stuff like smartphones, prescription glasses

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Speaker 1: an iPhone from me, they might get a peach.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's an interesting story about tourism and monkey

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Speaker 1: crime certainly tells me.

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Speaker 2: No, I will not yield to this monkey cord or

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Speaker 2: whatever this thing. This is not a monkey cord, it

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Speaker 2: is this is a monkey temple.

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Speaker 1: There should be a monkey cord. They should all be prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: Where are you going to try the monkeys if not

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Speaker 1: a monkey cord? Anyway, according to this university team that's

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Speaker 1: spent years filming them with cacks and outlining analyzing hundreds

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Speaker 1: of hours of footage, Katie shakes your head sadly, you

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Speaker 1: are five other fours.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what my inner child keeps me saying.

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Speaker 1: In other words, the monkeys quote have unprecedented economic decision

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Speaker 1: making processes, they wrote in an academic.

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Speaker 4: Paper, differentiate an iPhone from like some other item, as

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Speaker 4: being more valuable.

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Speaker 1: Now interestingly, many cases require the help of.

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Speaker 2: The monkeys' handlers. The temple.

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Speaker 1: Monkeys' handlers called powang, which is only slightly better than macaque.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, I think not a bit of it.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, These powangs negotiate with the furry hostage takers. They

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Speaker 1: Where'd that one hundred million dollars for the Southern California

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Speaker 4: that so too will be the tide of post literacy.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I got to look up that word

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Speaker 4: obesogenetic tending to cause obesity. Okay, you could have just

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Speaker 4: town that obesa genetic, obesa genetic. Okay, But first of all,

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Speaker 4: I've never even bought the food one. Really, the idea

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Speaker 4: that if you're on the poor end where people tend

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Speaker 4: to be more overweight, it's because you're forced into it.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, there's been studies on that.

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Speaker 4: There's all kinds of healthy food you can buy that's

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Speaker 4: not super expensive. There's healthy food that is expensive, but.

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Speaker 1: You can get bananas and vegetables and lettuce and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that for the same price as oreos.

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Speaker 4: And you know, ice cream or crap. And I tend

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Speaker 4: toward the ladder of eating. I eat more crap than

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Speaker 4: I should. But it's not a cost thing that has

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Speaker 4: been debunked, the food desert, that whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But this person is.

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Speaker 4: Now trying to apply that to screen time, which seems

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Speaker 4: nuts to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an incredible stretch.

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Speaker 4: What a dangerous way though, to look at the world,

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Speaker 4: and for that to be you know, a New York

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Speaker 4: Times worthy.

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Speaker 2: Essay. Oh, you're right, the poor too much green? Whose

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Speaker 2: fault is that well?

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Speaker 1: And the fact that they tied themselves into knots and

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Speaker 1: made an enormous reach to an incredibly questionable conclusion when

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Speaker 1: the problem that they kind of tip their cap to

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Speaker 1: that all of us, regardless.

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Speaker 8: Of social status, economic status, all of us are are

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Speaker 8: getting the whole foods of learning shoved out of our

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Speaker 8: diet by the doom scrolling video watching crap that mark

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Speaker 8: Zuckerberg and the greatest minds of our generation have put

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Speaker 8: in front of us.

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Speaker 1: That's so much bigger problem than that ridiculous New York

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Speaker 1: Times the effort to be enlightened.

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Speaker 2: Shut up.

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Speaker 4: Well, the assumption there is that the downtrodden even have that.

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Speaker 4: You have the screen, So you've got the screens and

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Speaker 4: apparently the Wi Fi and the ability to access this stuff.

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Speaker 2: So we're just assuming everybody's got that.

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Speaker 4: So at that point, if you've got that, I was

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Speaker 4: just talking about the Gutenberg Project. All the greatest things

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Speaker 4: ever written are available to you for free. You could

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Speaker 4: look at those, your kids could look at those. If

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Speaker 4: you're choosing not to, that's on you. I don't know

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Speaker 4: where you come up with this whole class warfare thing around.

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Speaker 2: It as really interesting.

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Speaker 1: But society has conspired to keep that knowledge away from

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Speaker 1: those people. I refer to it as a Gutenberg desert, right,

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Speaker 1: So what is that thing?

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Speaker 4: This was about the food the gulf between those with

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Speaker 4: the social and economic resources. What are the social resources

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Speaker 4: to eat better or worse?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Education. Who hates to repeat myself, but

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Speaker 2: shut up, who doesn't know? Let us is better for

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Speaker 2: you than oreos need education for that not much.

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Speaker 4: Okay, where did all that money go that was supposed

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Speaker 4: to help out the fire victims?

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Speaker 2: Joe's got that next, among other things. Stay here.

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Speaker 4: Ask me later about cultural differences in.

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Speaker 2: Deadlines that I learned about in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 4: Fits in with the whole tariff thing, like tomorrow's the

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Speaker 4: tariff deadline for a bunch of countries and Trump got

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Speaker 4: one done with South Korea late last night.

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Speaker 2: Interesting O.

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Speaker 4: Their cultures have a completely different way of looking at

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Speaker 4: deadlines than we do in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, Okay, intriguing. We'll get to that hour four

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Speaker 1: of the show. If you don't get out of the four,

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Speaker 1: subscribe our four of the show subscribed to the podcast

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty on demand. So I had heard earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week that zero dollars of the one hundred

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Speaker 1: million that were raised for the La Area fire victims

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Speaker 1: had been distributed to those victims. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: fire aid benefit concert that made a big deal organized

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Speaker 1: by former ticketmaster and music mogul Irving Azoff and his

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Speaker 1: wife blah blah blah, one hundred million dollars. Billie Eilish,

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Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, Alanis Morris said, Joni Mitchell and others blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that it was a big deal, including

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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of people who had lost their own

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Speaker 4: homes stars, because.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot of the wealthy and famous

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Speaker 2: who lost stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well right, And I found that the idea that no

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Speaker 1: money had gotten to the victims both horrible and hard

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Speaker 1: to believe, given you know how important the entertainment industry

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Speaker 1: too is to l A and how it's all local

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Speaker 1: and all.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised at zero, but it's not. That's not true,

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Speaker 2: is one of the points that about to make. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we'll let you make your point first.

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Speaker 1: Well so, and and in the Free Press they quote

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Speaker 1: a couple of folks who say, who are residents of

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Speaker 1: the area of victims, We haven't seen any Palisades organizations

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Speaker 1: benefit from the fire aid funds.

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Speaker 2: And he points out the area is often.

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Speaker 1: Misperceived as this very exclusive, affluent enclave.

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Speaker 2: Not always the case.

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Speaker 1: You got rent control departments, people inherited homes they never

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Speaker 1: could have bought or were under ensured. Let's see, here's

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Speaker 1: another gal who runs a local news blog. She found

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Speaker 1: out the money was being distributed into various nonprofit groups

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Speaker 1: instead of directly to fire victims. Even though the verbiage

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Speaker 1: around the fund raiser had said it would be quote

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Speaker 1: direct relief to victims and communities, the reality is a

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Speaker 1: little complicated. Fire Aid has distributed half of the hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars to more than one hundred and twenty nonprofits

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Speaker 1: and community groups in a first round of disbursements. They

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Speaker 1: also chose sixty eight recipients for twenty five million dollars

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Speaker 1: in a second round. Applications for the last twenty five

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Speaker 1: million dollars are being accepted through a Google form on

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Speaker 1: fire Aid's website.

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Speaker 4: How careful were they, I hope with what organizations they

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Speaker 4: gave money to?

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Speaker 1: Well, A spokesperson told the Free Press and answer that

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Speaker 1: very question that because fire Aid was a newly formed

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Speaker 1: five oh one C three organization, it was never the

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Speaker 1: plan to distribute funds directly to wildfire victims. An advisory

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Speaker 1: committee made recommendations to fire Aid's board, so I would

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Speaker 1: guess it is a very very mixed bag. It gave

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Speaker 1: out five hundred in cash to outdoor workers like street vendors, landscapers,

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Speaker 1: and recyclers who are in trouble cause of the fire.

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Speaker 1: The Filipino Workers Center received an undisclosed sum for supporting

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Speaker 1: workers displaced by the fires. Money went to the California

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Speaker 1: Native Vote Project.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty cynical about these kind of fundraisers, just you know,

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Speaker 4: from life experience of seeing this happen a whole bunch

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Speaker 4: of times. We've been involved with the number of really

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Speaker 4: really good charities, but man, it's it's they're few and

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Speaker 4: far between, the ones that are really good. And you

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Speaker 4: need like an infrastructure and and honest people, I mean

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Speaker 4: you need. It takes a lot to pull it off right.

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Speaker 1: And as you mentioned the other day, something we've we've

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Speaker 1: touched on through the years is that the phrase nonprofit

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Speaker 1: might be the most misleading phrase in the English language.

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Speaker 1: This simple illustration being Jack and I come up with

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Speaker 1: the fun for human beings, and we raise a bunch

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Speaker 1: of money. We raise a million dollars a year. My

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Speaker 1: sell he is four hundred and seventy five grand a year.

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Speaker 1: Jack salaries four hundred and seventy five grand a year,

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Speaker 1: and we give away fifty thousand dollars a year of

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Speaker 1: what's left. We show no profit though our our balance

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Speaker 1: sheet shows zero profit.

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Speaker 4: No yeah, or we or our salaries list. But we

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Speaker 4: each have a car. I mean we have to drive

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Speaker 4: as part of our job. And what you know, we

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Speaker 4: don't get to drive, and you know, we have to

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Speaker 4: travel around and talk to smart people so we raise money.

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Speaker 2: I needed to go to New York and talk to

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Speaker 2: some man.

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Speaker 4: And what am I supposed to stay in a Super eight?

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Speaker 4: I stayed in a decent hotel.

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Speaker 1: I have to go to simposia several times a year.

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Speaker 1: Notice my use of the term symposia has a little much,

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Speaker 1: but the point is made.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish everybody understood the whole nonprofit scam. So

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Speaker 4: final note on this top and it's not necessarily scam.

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Speaker 4: I think if and when a serious audit of those

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Speaker 4: funds is done, you'll find some very well spent dollars.

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Speaker 4: You'll find some it's a pretty good idea, but dollars.

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Speaker 4: Then you'll find some dollars that were stolen or given

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Speaker 4: a crony's or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's a mixed bag.

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Speaker 4: My first lesson in this got how many years ago

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Speaker 4: did I read the book about JD. Rockefeller? Wow, giant

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Speaker 4: biography of JD. Rockefeller, who was maybe the richest man

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Speaker 4: who's ever lived, in America a justed for inflation. But

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Speaker 4: he retired very very early as the richest man in

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Speaker 4: the world at the time, and dedicated his life to philanthropy.

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Speaker 4: And it was a harder job than his job a

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Speaker 4: running standard oil to make all his money in the

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Speaker 4: first place, to try to stay on top of that

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Speaker 4: money and make sure it was spent well. He realized

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Speaker 4: how difficult it is to be involved in charities and

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Speaker 4: give out money without it being wasted or stolen.

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Speaker 2: Very very very hard. Yeah, that's what.

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Speaker 1: Most rich people or company foundations are. There companies that

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Speaker 1: spend all their time figuring out who to give money to,

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Speaker 1: and in due course they make some money. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that's wrong, but it's you know, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: big business. Speaking of which, my final note on this topic,

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Speaker 1: then you might find it helpful. Slash slash troubling. There's

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Speaker 1: a Twitter account and I just retweeted this. If you

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Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter, you'll see it. If you don't,

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Speaker 1: you probably should. I still call X Twitter because X

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Speaker 1: is a letter of the alphabet. Anyway, it is an infographic.

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Speaker 1: It's a chart of the five oh one C three

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Speaker 1: grant network for the Barack Obama Foundation, and he writes,

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Speaker 1: but it could be almost any major nonprofit. They all

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Speaker 1: look like this, and it is the main foundation, and

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Speaker 1: then then organizations they deal with, and organizations they deal with,

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Speaker 1: and then the endpoint of the money and the lines

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Speaker 1: between illustrating the cash flows between those organizations. It reminds

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Speaker 1: me a little bit of the Biden family twenty four LLCs.

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Speaker 2: Or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: It is a a graphic full of absolutely incomprehensible intercrossing

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Speaker 1: lines of money flowing back and forth. It is completely

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Speaker 1: incomprehensible who is getting that money and why, And as

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Speaker 1: he said, it could be any major nonprofit.

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Speaker 2: They all look like this.

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Speaker 1: If the LA thing qualifies as a scandal, then the

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Speaker 1: entire nonprofit sector is a scandal.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty