Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. It's another show with Levi
Speaker 1: from a Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I am Dan Hansis got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Yes,
Speaker 1: you are in the iconic Levi jacket.
Speaker 2: You're lucky that I, you know, complied from a wardrobe
Speaker 2: straight and I had been here, you know, with more time,
Speaker 2: I was going to switch into a button des What.
Speaker 1: A coincidence it is that you're wearing the jacket when
Speaker 1: that drop hits. Yeah, it's a it's a day that
Speaker 1: ends and why we we've left out and also with
Speaker 1: us listen, it's been a while since he's been on
Speaker 1: at n UH and we're happy to have him. If
Speaker 1: if rich Eisen is the face, then this man is
Speaker 1: the conscience of NFL media. You know who it is, Yes,
Speaker 1: Steve wy wy YoY man. I think it's like wizdorms.
Speaker 1: O man, you guys man, this is awesome. I have
Speaker 1: to say, We've had so many great songs submitted by
Speaker 1: our listeners through the years, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's anything better than the Steve Weisch.
Speaker 3: I mean, I am just so like it sounds very
Speaker 3: it sounds really professional. We have to get to to
Speaker 3: play this song. The Unteason hard knockcause he's a big
Speaker 3: reggae fan there, so here.
Speaker 2: Was great on the Manning cast, he was great some guitar.
Speaker 1: I would roll around town listening to this on loop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing like Tears of Heaven to really bring the
Speaker 4: party going.
Speaker 1: Evan Hornsby with that well done banger. Yeah, it's very good.
Speaker 1: All right, we got Steve here. I love It's for
Speaker 1: having me. I'm excited, big show. A little housekeeping before
Speaker 1: we get going. We got so much you get to
Speaker 1: we're gonna do uh, open up the mail bag. We're
Speaker 1: gonna check in on that TNF banger. What's the over
Speaker 1: under at now? Is in the twenties? I will check.
Speaker 1: I believe it. They kept it at thirty. It keeps sinking. Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: New England. We're gonna play. Oh it's down to thirty.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. We're gonna get some news, but just
Speaker 1: so little palace intrigue for around the NFL. Today Steve
Speaker 1: was picture day for around the NFL. I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Greg and I were here, Mark wasn't and you
Speaker 1: you told us you had a perfectly good reason not
Speaker 1: to be here. Yeah, so do we We're good with that,
Speaker 1: Gregor are we cool in house with Mark?
Speaker 4: I mean, we have to be right, we have to
Speaker 4: be We were here. We took the pictures.
Speaker 1: And we and it was supposed to be headshots and
Speaker 1: then group photos, which I did not know that that
Speaker 1: second part, but I couldn't. It was right there in
Speaker 1: the email. It was all very clear. But we we
Speaker 1: got you. So we asked, uh, what was her name? Maddie, Maddie,
Speaker 1: Maddie who did an awesome job. We did this, We
Speaker 1: got it. We got one of the shots. Check it
Speaker 1: out on YouTube. We made sure to kind of leave
Speaker 1: a spot for Mark, and then I went ahead, thank you,
Speaker 1: and I took care of this and did a little
Speaker 1: photoshop to get you. And I know Camp Happiness is
Speaker 1: your favorite era. So here's the other photo. There we go, Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: This will be the photo and yeah, we'll send it out.
Speaker 1: You don't know you're coming. You're good. We got you,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, we.
Speaker 2: Got your slightly ominous that the first group shot in
Speaker 2: about a decade doesn't include me. I don't know what
Speaker 2: that means for the future, but I will. I took
Speaker 2: a child to the dentist today, so I hope that
Speaker 2: it works as a.
Speaker 1: We got your back. All right, we're good, We're good.
Speaker 1: That was from high school.
Speaker 3: That picture, by the way, that was not from summer camps.
Speaker 1: Not from camp happiness.
Speaker 3: No, all right, I'll get back to a ridiculous field
Speaker 3: near my house.
Speaker 4: You do look like you could you know, use some
Speaker 4: lotion or some sunscreen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no danger your sunburn back. Then all right, Steve,
Speaker 1: you can photoshop.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I mean on the promo, on the on the
Speaker 3: photo for NFL Game Day preview.
Speaker 1: It's photoshop.
Speaker 3: So like Andrew Ciciliana and I are at the same height,
Speaker 3: so they they can get you in there.
Speaker 1: You'll be fine. Say they've got the skills. I was saying,
Speaker 1: we took some photos of Greg and I and we're
Speaker 1: not a good matching photos because it makes me look
Speaker 1: bigger and Greg looks smaller. And of course Greg's like, nah,
Speaker 1: I don't see that. It's like, well, I was like,
Speaker 1: really good, we looked great. I thought you looked stunning,
Speaker 1: the two of you. All right, here we go, Steve. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you have a Derwin James interview. So we can't we
Speaker 1: can't be like pussy footing around here. You know it's
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, yeah, you can wait. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's get We got so much to get to. Let's
Speaker 1: start though with some news. You d said the record
Speaker 1: this year over twenty two miles an hour, still as
Speaker 1: fast as ever. It is fifty in the league, twenty
Speaker 1: two six, Hey, twenty three mile rookie of I probably
Speaker 1: won't never hit again. That is Tyreek Hill from the
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks in season which amazing Dolphins, which is spectacular.
Speaker 1: I had not checked it out, Lata. He's great and
Speaker 1: as I've said many times in the show, Next Gen,
Speaker 1: Big next Gen doesn't want people to know that everyone
Speaker 1: goes twenty one miles per hour. But we're starting to
Speaker 1: see we're starting to see some cracks and movement there.
Speaker 1: Because DK on Thursday Night on that seventy five yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: crack twenty two, and there's Tyreek I believe him, when
Speaker 1: he was a rookie, before he got a little older
Speaker 1: and some injuries, was hitting twenty three. So we're starting
Speaker 1: to move away from twenty one miles per hour. That's good.
Speaker 1: This is a big Dan' spin on this beat. I
Speaker 1: could tell yeah, he's hung up on this. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: about you, Steve, You ever have like a pick six
Speaker 1: or anything in college or in the pros and you
Speaker 1: were able to get the pros? Come on, what are
Speaker 1: we talking about here? You never know? Did you ever
Speaker 1: hit you ever hit twenty? You think?
Speaker 3: Uh no, because back when I was playing, everything was
Speaker 3: kind of being measured by sand dials.
Speaker 1: There was no such thing as next gen sports.
Speaker 3: So maybe you know, if if a shadow move it
Speaker 3: in front, that worked.
Speaker 1: You know, I was.
Speaker 3: I was on the Sophocles timescale. We were definitely a
Speaker 3: Socrates not so but no, all right, good did did
Speaker 3: you have a pick six though? In any time in
Speaker 3: your high school?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty cool in front of all your classmates,
Speaker 2: they're watching you.
Speaker 1: I've had some big house.
Speaker 3: I've had some big quarterback about a sixty five yard
Speaker 3: quarterback sneak to the house.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, Oh no, I've got I've got. If
Speaker 1: they gave Jake Browning a full segment about his high
Speaker 1: school exploits a few weeks ago, why don't we just
Speaker 1: drop it into game day more.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I said ninety one touchdowns in
Speaker 4: a season, but you.
Speaker 3: Know I had ninety one touchdowns in a season. I
Speaker 3: have ninety one touchdowns in a career. And again there's
Speaker 3: probably video of Jake Browning, right, mine was like on tape.
Speaker 1: That has warped. And Steve is one hundred and fourteen
Speaker 1: years old. Based on the development, Yes, all right, let's
Speaker 1: get to it. We'll start with Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars
Speaker 1: quarterback who suffer that high ankle sprain on Monday night. Man,
Speaker 1: it looked bad when it happened, but here is the
Speaker 1: good news. The injury is not one that ends a season.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, there's a report from Jeff
Speaker 1: Howe of the Athletic that he is going to quote
Speaker 1: rehab around the clock this week to give himself a
Speaker 1: chance to play through his high ankle sprain. Per sources,
Speaker 1: too early to know how the ankle will respond and
Speaker 1: whether it'll be available Sunday, but they are not ruling
Speaker 1: it out. Here is Doug Peterson on the situation.
Speaker 3: So starting with Trevor, obviously it's just a right high
Speaker 3: ankle sprain. Everything's stable, everything looks good, and we'll see
Speaker 3: where he is here in a couple of days.
Speaker 4: One of those injuries that you just don't know how
Speaker 4: serious it's going to because there's different high ankle sprains.
Speaker 4: Canny Pickett required the surgery. Trevor Lawrence isn't getting that.
Speaker 4: I even think of Ryan Tanneil. He's had multiple high
Speaker 4: ankle sp some he just played through essentially, some he's missed,
Speaker 4: you know, two three weeks. This week seems like a stretch.
Speaker 4: But they do have a Ravens Sunday Night game in
Speaker 4: week fifteen, so maybe he's pointing towards only missing one game.
Speaker 1: It's still just the way that they were talking today is.
Speaker 4: Definitely not gonna practice clan that would be that would
Speaker 4: be a big surprise, and they could potentially lose their
Speaker 4: lead in the division if they lose two games with them.
Speaker 2: Sin at eight and four, that is a nasty two
Speaker 2: pack of games. The Browns are pretty banged up too,
Speaker 2: but without if you have CJ. Betherdon there who didn't
Speaker 2: look terrible in relief, but that that's a completely different situation.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is very tough to prepare for.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, they're playing Cleveland, which is it's going
Speaker 3: to be either Flacco or dtr and the Jags defense
Speaker 3: can can come up and make a couple of plays
Speaker 3: which they should be able to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, it gives them an opportunity.
Speaker 3: This is one where you say, Okay, we're playing a
Speaker 3: backup quarterback one way, another ones coming out of concussion protocol,
Speaker 3: or one who's playing in a second NFL game, So
Speaker 3: our defense should be able to get us there if
Speaker 3: we're as good as we think we are defensively. If
Speaker 3: you want to win the division, you win these type
Speaker 3: of games and you have your backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would say they probably felt the same way
Speaker 2: about Jake Browning and that was a bit of a
Speaker 2: national surprise.
Speaker 3: But well, yeah, you think, I mean, Bronnie was pretty
Speaker 3: spectacular in that game.
Speaker 1: It was in other news Vikings quarterback Josh Dobbs will
Speaker 1: start on Sunday against the Raiders. This speaking of palace intrigue,
Speaker 1: I think it kind of went on everyone's attendant a
Speaker 1: little bit. After the Monday night loss to the Bears
Speaker 1: before their bye week, O'Connell came out in the postgame
Speaker 1: presser and was like, yeah, you know, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to evaluate everything. Who makes Justin Jefferson the most dynamic
Speaker 1: here is Kevin O'Connell. After making the decisions to stick
Speaker 1: with Dobbs.
Speaker 5: I want to address the quarterback position. We will be
Speaker 5: starting Josh Dobbs in the football game on Sunday. Feel
Speaker 5: great about kind of our bye week process of really,
Speaker 5: you know, two layers to it, evaluating kind of where
Speaker 5: Josh has been as far as immediately providing a spark
Speaker 5: and helping us win to football games, and then you know,
Speaker 5: transitioning to some tough, you know, tough outcomes where there's
Speaker 5: all kinds of things that we could we could do better,
Speaker 5: we could coach better, Josh's continued comfort in our offense
Speaker 5: and how we play, but also our offense and our
Speaker 5: staff's ability to evolve and and help Josh thrive.
Speaker 1: He added that Nick Mullins, the backup, will be ready
Speaker 1: to go. There's also a rookie in the mixed, Jaron Hall.
Speaker 1: Greg I liked your theory. This is the team around
Speaker 1: the end NFL, by the way, so this is an
Speaker 1: important decision being made by the head coach. I liked
Speaker 1: your theory. Throw it out there. Now, this isn't based
Speaker 1: on any reporting, but I kind of.
Speaker 4: Know because he caught us off guards Kevin O'Connell right
Speaker 4: after that game and then the Monday after saying how
Speaker 4: he's got to have to look at everything, including the
Speaker 4: quarterback position, and changes.
Speaker 1: Could be made.
Speaker 4: And my theory was in that game when Dobbs was
Speaker 4: throwing an interception after interception, maybe at that point, you
Speaker 4: know they're having a conversation, it's like whatever you do,
Speaker 4: just like, just don't turn the ball over anymore, or
Speaker 4: you know, be careful this or that. And Dobbs that
Speaker 4: fourth interception he had in that game, it was one
Speaker 4: of the worst interceptions anyone had all season. He's just
Speaker 4: like falling down Jameis Winston style, throws it to nowhere,
Speaker 4: and I think it kind of blew Kevin O'Connell's mind
Speaker 4: there for a couple of days and he had to
Speaker 4: calm down emotionally. But I'm glad to see Josh Dobbs
Speaker 4: over Darren Hall or Nick Mullins. Nick Mullins leading the
Speaker 4: team of Around the NFL podcast doesn't have the same
Speaker 4: time scro dark at that point.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the Dobbs also, I mean when the
Speaker 3: guy came there, I mean, look, he's moving, he's doing
Speaker 3: all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Gives him the immediate spark.
Speaker 3: But that's one where a coach has to say, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is one where my guy got the yips in
Speaker 3: the game where everything just came the snowball came downhill.
Speaker 1: It was a total collapse. If we start.
Speaker 3: Seeing it in the next game, that we can go
Speaker 3: to Nick Mullins. But right now we're gonna give another.
Speaker 4: Show and build an offense around him. He's a very
Speaker 4: different quarterback and this gives him a week to do that.
Speaker 1: But bye, we came at the ideal. It really did.
Speaker 1: In other quarterback news, more palace intrigue. This one out
Speaker 1: of Flooring Park, New Jersey. Oh boy, The New York
Speaker 1: Jets dealt with a major, major drama around Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: We talked about the backstory with this. That word had
Speaker 1: gotten out and reported by The Athletic that Wilson was
Speaker 1: apprehensive about returning to his starting role two weeks after
Speaker 1: he had been benched by the Jets, citing concerns about
Speaker 1: his health and you know, an uncertain future that likely
Speaker 1: doesn't involve the Jets. Bob Sala, that's poor guy. I
Speaker 1: know I can't. I'm coming down hard and solid and
Speaker 1: the Jets in general on the show lately. But I
Speaker 1: really do like Robert sal He seems like a really
Speaker 1: good and decent man, and he is not in a
Speaker 1: good situation, and it just things are snowballing on him
Speaker 1: and he's the face of it. So it's just kind
Speaker 1: of I can be frustrated as a fan, but also
Speaker 1: I feel badly for Salaz so now here he is
Speaker 1: announcing that indeed, Zach Wilson will be his quarterback on Sunday.
Speaker 6: Zach gives us our best chance to win and giving
Speaker 6: him another opportunity to go prove that.
Speaker 1: How did that conversation go when you told.
Speaker 6: Him he's good?
Speaker 1: He's fired up.
Speaker 6: Like I said on Monday, he came into my office.
Speaker 6: He wants the ball and he's excited about in this
Speaker 6: opportunity to finish the season strong.
Speaker 1: The rest of the year no matter what. God Willing,
Speaker 1: oh Man, Steve god Willing is not where I would
Speaker 1: have gone with that. But Aaron Rodgers on the McAfee
Speaker 1: show on Tuesday, he kind of scolded the whole Jets
Speaker 1: locker room for too many leaks this season, and ESPN
Speaker 1: reported that what likely happened, per source, is that Wilson
Speaker 1: asked the teammate for advice on the risk reward of
Speaker 1: playing a late season game with no playoff implications, and
Speaker 1: from that word got out that he had reservations. So
Speaker 1: someone in that locker room, Steve kind of snitched on Wilson, babe,
Speaker 1: or somebody in the building, right, somebody snitched on Wilson.
Speaker 1: And you know, just an ugly situation. It's terrible. I me,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one thing, you know. Look, I
Speaker 1: love Robert toal.
Speaker 3: I think he's a fantastic man, and he's he hasn't
Speaker 3: putting it in a very bad spot because your organization
Speaker 3: sold out for Aaron Rodgers and he got hurt.
Speaker 1: Like no one, no one's all this coming.
Speaker 3: And so now when this reporting happened that you know,
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson was relucking to play, I'm like, tell me
Speaker 3: a time when a player has really had an option
Speaker 3: to say I really don't want to right back in
Speaker 3: there and not get cut, right, That was what was
Speaker 3: up there that Robert Sawa says, we will cut you
Speaker 3: or suspend you without pay and basically shame you to
Speaker 3: where no other team is going to want to touch
Speaker 3: you to make you look like a quitter, or you're
Speaker 3: going to come back in and start because we need you,
Speaker 3: right now we know we've yo yo you back and
Speaker 3: forth whatever, So it was just multifaceted dysfunction with this.
Speaker 3: Either Zach Wilson just comes off looking as somebody completely ungrateful,
Speaker 3: spoiled and doesn't want to play, or he comes off
Speaker 3: as looking he has every right to feel this way,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, you're getting paid handsomely. You
Speaker 3: have to go out and do your job. Do you think,
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson some of these guys want to be out there.
Speaker 3: We see Jonathan Allen with the with the Commanders be like, geez,
Speaker 3: it sucks going back out there and getting kicked every week.
Speaker 3: But they are in a profession that they're compensated for
Speaker 3: most people very handsomely, and a bunch of people would
Speaker 3: love to have their pain.
Speaker 1: They were dysfunction to go out there and do it.
Speaker 2: It does feel like for you know, the season started
Speaker 2: with such hope. I've never seen Dan kind of feel
Speaker 2: that way about his Jets, and it obviously quickly fell
Speaker 2: off a clip.
Speaker 1: But now the team feels it.
Speaker 2: Feels like last year where there's this fractures and I
Speaker 2: don't like the fact that, Yeah, I don't like what
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson I don't like where he's coming from. Not
Speaker 2: wanting just to go play like anyone should. But if
Speaker 2: you go and tell a teammate or you seek advice
Speaker 2: or counsel, you're a young player.
Speaker 1: Again. I feel like a lot of Zach Wilson said
Speaker 1: that also sounds like spin.
Speaker 4: I feel like for it to be as widespread as
Speaker 4: it was, it's like, well people knew it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, but it's not if it
Speaker 2: was a teammate or something like that and then that
Speaker 2: person went and just told me else right away, it
Speaker 2: just sort of speaks to like the whole thing is
Speaker 2: falling apart in such ugly fat.
Speaker 1: A lot of these players, you know, especially skilled players.
Speaker 1: They've been done with Zach for a year now. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: so you could kind of see why would get out.
Speaker 1: But it's also it's like it does show and you know,
Speaker 1: I was saying, Rogers, what has he actually done for
Speaker 1: my team so far? So frustration with him, but he's right.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you want to actually be an organization
Speaker 1: that has it together, the first thing you got to
Speaker 1: do is stop leaking things to the media and creating
Speaker 1: more of a circus. Clean up everything. There's so much suggested. Well,
Speaker 1: and real quick, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 3: Two teams that were on the same disorganization dysfunctional organization
Speaker 3: track that have tightened it up are the Browns in
Speaker 3: some ways and the Dolphins. These were two absolutely disastrous franchises.
Speaker 3: They've got leadership in there that buttoned up the leaks.
Speaker 3: They parked the clown car away and it can no
Speaker 3: longer be found. That cannot be said about the Jets
Speaker 3: right now. And it's look, no one talks about it,
Speaker 3: but the Giants are actually a more disastrous football team
Speaker 3: talent wise and things like this same record, but the
Speaker 3: Jets just outshine them in absolute absurdities in the same yes,
Speaker 3: the mid absurdity, so that so that the Giants get
Speaker 3: overlooked for all the all the bad stuff that's happening there.
Speaker 1: And we do this, we do this. I do this
Speaker 1: every December. I hit this frustration level and then I
Speaker 1: also have to think to myself, but the Rogers thing
Speaker 1: had so much the injury blew up everything. So just
Speaker 1: kind of I'm trying to like take a step back
Speaker 1: emotional on the show the other day, this is the
Speaker 1: lost season, and let's see what happens this winter. This
Speaker 1: is your place to be emotional.
Speaker 4: Not practicing Wednesday and good doesn't seem like there's.
Speaker 1: Everybody take a deep breath. That probably was never happening,
Speaker 1: to take a step back. It's time to wipe this
Speaker 1: season away and see if they could fix things next year.
Speaker 1: Again and again and again. Finally, in the news, my
Speaker 1: favorite coach, Mike McCarthy, Uh, he had appendix surgery or
Speaker 1: has that coming up after experiencing abdominal pain Wednesday morning.
Speaker 1: As a result, he is going to be you know,
Speaker 1: in a hospital and getting a procedure done. And the
Speaker 1: hope and the hope in the plan is that he
Speaker 1: will be coaching Sunday night against the division rival Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2: M Well, I mean, appendicitis is not going to knock
Speaker 2: Zaddi out of the picture.
Speaker 1: Oh, Zaddi, what's wrong with your insights? I like it? Well, Well,
Speaker 1: if you must know, Frag's it's a it was an
Speaker 1: abdominal pain and it's appendicitis. So there you go, get
Speaker 1: well soon, Saddy. There could be kids listening to this.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news. Do you have anything, Dad?
Speaker 4: It was you that yeah, you can't that you gotta
Speaker 4: leave it with with frag.
Speaker 3: You don't want to be the next person to speak Yeah,
Speaker 3: play by play terms.
Speaker 1: Just let it breathe exactly all right. Let us take
Speaker 1: a break and then we'll get into everything else. It's
Speaker 1: time for your boy joining some heroes, Steve watch, I
Speaker 1: don't even remember this one.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to around the NFL, Steven.
Speaker 1: Wise, there we go, Steve, wish my wife, my mother.
Speaker 4: Like when they're mad at you, guys will say Steven
Speaker 4: might be even are there?
Speaker 3: It depends in a fluid situation, could be like Steven,
Speaker 3: or could be like Steve.
Speaker 1: Bring frags back in here? All right? So with Steve,
Speaker 1: weisch with us. It's I thought, this is a perfect
Speaker 1: time to bring back one of the war horses uh
Speaker 1: segments for around the NFL. It's been a while. We've
Speaker 1: done it on the live show a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but not it's been a while since been in the studio.
Speaker 1: Hit it Robbie Why from Inglewood, California.
Speaker 7: It's time for everybody's fave game show, What More Likely?
Speaker 1: Right? Yes? What's more Likely? A game where we present
Speaker 1: two realities in the NFL. And it's simple, I mean,
Speaker 1: which one is more likely to be what occurs, and
Speaker 1: I kept minding the regular season, but it's anywhere you
Speaker 1: want to go with it.
Speaker 3: Steve, you are a guest, so I defer to you
Speaker 3: to get us going. Oh, I got no, this is
Speaker 3: this is a twenty twenty four off season. More likely, okay, right?
Speaker 3: More likely the Jets pass on a quarterback with their
Speaker 3: top draft choice, or Robert Sala and Joe Douglas will
Speaker 3: be the ones making that decision whether to pass.
Speaker 1: Or draft what more likely. Oh, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought on our last show that Sala
Speaker 1: it was kind of the end of the road for
Speaker 1: Sala because I thought based on the it was kind
Speaker 1: of the wonky reporting. It's just a sloppy day that
Speaker 1: Wilson had told him he didn't want to play and
Speaker 1: was kind of, you know, putting Sala out directly like that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what happened now that we have
Speaker 1: more clarity, but I still think if they lose out,
Speaker 1: I think I got a feeling that Woody is gonna
Speaker 1: potentially act off that. So that said, if they have
Speaker 1: a top five pick, they got to take a quarterback. Right,
Speaker 1: this is a tough I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think it's the quarterback's form going more likely Salah
Speaker 4: or wait, it's more likely Salar Douglas are making the
Speaker 4: pick or not.
Speaker 1: Making the decision whether to use the pick. Okay, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna go quarterback. Then. I don't think either
Speaker 1: is particularly likely.
Speaker 4: I think either Salah or Douglas or both will be
Speaker 4: gone if I have to guess. But I actually think
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers being there. I guess it depends. I'm thinking
Speaker 4: first round. If Aaron Rodgers is there, he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: They're all in. They're still all in. He answered the
Speaker 4: question about the coaches a little more noncommittal to Pat
Speaker 4: McAfee this week then I maybe would have expected.
Speaker 1: It wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't anything noteworthy, but it wasn't like a full
Speaker 4: throated I'm the boss, they better be here. It was
Speaker 4: kind of like, that's out of my hands, and to me,
Speaker 4: he's there, So you're not taking a first round quarterback.
Speaker 1: Maybe you take a developmental guy later.
Speaker 2: I tend to think the ladder that Slah and Douglas
Speaker 2: will be making the decision. The reason I think they'd
Speaker 2: stick around. They look like a disaster. To all of
Speaker 2: us on the outside. I don't know what what the
Speaker 2: owner thinks on the inside. There's been so much change there.
Speaker 2: It's like the flying the ointment is with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: attached on, Nathaniel Hackett attached to big chunks of the
Speaker 2: like certain wide receivers that are there. It's like, if
Speaker 2: you want to keep Aaron Rodgers happy over the offseason,
Speaker 2: which was a chore for the Packers, do you want
Speaker 2: to it's it looks bad right now.
Speaker 1: But if a.
Speaker 2: Whole new org comes in and blows a lot up
Speaker 2: and says we'll build around erst Rodgers, but forgett Nathaniel Hackett,
Speaker 2: forget all his buddies.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what you do with one
Speaker 1: more year of Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Do you try to say Sala's defense has been good,
Speaker 2: the thing he was brought in to do, he's done
Speaker 2: a pretty good job with do you give it one
Speaker 2: more try?
Speaker 1: Well, he's brought in to be the head coach. That's
Speaker 1: part of the problem, Like he's all right, he needs
Speaker 1: to be more. They need to be more globally successful.
Speaker 1: At this point after three years, I'll say it's more
Speaker 1: likely all they have to do is like fall into
Speaker 1: one or two wins, and I think that will give
Speaker 1: Johnson enough to say, all right, just wipe this path,
Speaker 1: wipe this whole thing. They lose out, I think everyone's gone.
Speaker 1: Here's why I think Salo and Douglas are back.
Speaker 3: Who's going to take that job knowing that you got
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers for one year and you're not taking a
Speaker 3: quarterback to build on?
Speaker 1: Well, he could also spend it. You know, you got
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in a very good defense. Ways to again,
Speaker 1: who's going to take that job for one year? A
Speaker 1: lot of job openings too. We'll get to that a
Speaker 1: little bit later in the show. All right, here's another one.
Speaker 1: What's more likely. The Kansas City Chiefs get the number
Speaker 1: one seed in the AFC and they've gotten how many years.
Speaker 3: In a row?
Speaker 1: Now? Five? Five in a row. Patrick Mahomes has played
Speaker 1: very few road games in his life. Zero postseason games.
Speaker 1: I believe, what about the New England AFC title game?
Speaker 1: I was in Kansas Yeah, I was in Kansas City. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Never played on the road of the playoffs. So the
Speaker 1: Chiefs get the number one seed to keep that streak
Speaker 1: intact for Mahomes or the struggling, struggling Kansas City offense
Speaker 1: does not score more than thirty one points the rest
Speaker 1: of this season.
Speaker 2: What more likely thirty one points in a game versus total.
Speaker 2: That would be a real problem.
Speaker 1: That way, Okay, they would not hurt the playoffs. The
Speaker 1: Patriots would challenge you on that one.
Speaker 4: I'll jump in and say it's it's more likely they
Speaker 4: don't score thirty one points just because they have the
Speaker 4: Bills this week, and maybe I'm projecting too hard. I
Speaker 4: think that's a tough game for them. I've been high
Speaker 4: on the Bills making a stretch run that would get
Speaker 4: them to five losses at that point. The Ravens in
Speaker 4: the Dolphins, but I'm thinking, especially the Ravens are are
Speaker 4: in pretty good shape. I think that I just haven't
Speaker 4: seen a team. And I know they scored thirty one
Speaker 4: against the Raiders. They did it against the Chargers, they
Speaker 4: did it against the Bears, so it's happened three times
Speaker 4: a seas.
Speaker 1: They have some pretty.
Speaker 4: Easy matchups at the end of the season Raiders, Bengals, Chargers,
Speaker 4: and they might be needing to play.
Speaker 1: So those are pretty bad defenses.
Speaker 4: It's close, but I'm gonna go more likely they don't
Speaker 4: get the one seed.
Speaker 1: Okay, hmm, that's tough, though.
Speaker 2: I just believe that they're gonna wind up with the
Speaker 2: one seed somehow. I look at the other games though
Speaker 2: they've scored in the last five, like nine, seventeen, nineteen,
Speaker 2: and twenty one. I don't see their offense like figuring
Speaker 2: this out just because there's five more games like part
Speaker 2: with the part of the year where it's like they
Speaker 2: kind of do what they do well and what they
Speaker 2: don't do well.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you fix it with the personnel
Speaker 3: not changing. Yeah, I mean I think they get to
Speaker 3: thirty one. I think the AFC goes to Florida, either
Speaker 3: Miami or Jacksonville. Whoa, yeah, I mean, look.
Speaker 1: At the Dolphins schedule.
Speaker 3: They should They should click off another three before things
Speaker 3: get really nitty gritty, raven schedules are murderers row.
Speaker 1: And so I think they get to thirty one.
Speaker 3: I think they have a couple of big games, and
Speaker 3: also checking the previous thirty one, I think there were
Speaker 3: some defensive scores in there too. I think the question
Speaker 3: was the Chiefs offense, but I still think the Chiefs
Speaker 3: offense ends up getting a thirty one.
Speaker 1: They will not get the number one.
Speaker 4: Seed, although I am looking at the tie breakers, which
Speaker 4: is a point in the Chiefs favor.
Speaker 1: Yes, they always seem to find a way. Yeah, Nixon
Speaker 1: one on the conference.
Speaker 4: So they've had three losses and they beat Miami the
Speaker 4: NFC North and.
Speaker 1: They beat Miami, and they beating Jackson behead to head.
Speaker 4: Right, and they have the headset wins. So I maybe
Speaker 4: already would change my answer, but too late. Need an
Speaker 4: official answer now. Now I'm going to go over to
Speaker 4: thirty one points.
Speaker 1: All right, Greg, you're up?
Speaker 4: Okay, I will look at the MVP Award and say,
Speaker 4: a non quarterback wins the MVP or the Bengals make
Speaker 4: the playoffs?
Speaker 1: What more likely?
Speaker 2: I think it's more likely that we should cross check
Speaker 2: these before the show because something similar will be coming up.
Speaker 2: But I think it's more likely the Bengals. You have
Speaker 2: to get the playoffs. Pivot now, I will not be pivoted.
Speaker 2: Wrote this the thing on the fly, or you know, performers.
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see, well, Cincinnati six and six, Uh,
Speaker 1: they are obviously in the mix from that standpoint tenth
Speaker 1: right now, tenth right now? They win the tiebreaker over
Speaker 1: Buffalo based on the head to head win percentage right now,
Speaker 1: Denver's ahead of them, Houston's ahead of them, Indies ahead
Speaker 1: of them, Cleveland's ahead of them. They're two and six.
Speaker 1: They get to play a bunch of those teams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again you're you're looking at this rationale versus Yeah,
Speaker 3: what the other more likely scenario?
Speaker 1: Right? So the other one? All these teams I'm mentioning,
Speaker 1: don't they don't frighten me? And like how they gonna
Speaker 1: hop scotch past them? I think this is more likely.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to, you know, sniff too much
Speaker 1: of the Jake Brown and glue right now, but that
Speaker 1: was a fun watch and I'd like to see where
Speaker 1: that goes. And uh yeah, Tyreek CMC. Probably those two guys,
Speaker 1: those are the two guys. I just think a quarterback
Speaker 1: is gonna take that, whether it's Brock or two or whomever.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's more likely Cincinnati finds away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, more likely the Bengals get and they're not going
Speaker 3: to give the MVP to a non quarterback.
Speaker 4: But do you keep people keep saying that as if
Speaker 4: they are not the people that are deciding. So it's
Speaker 4: not let's decide it we're the people, Rick, Why.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's an offensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: to give it to the non quarterback?
Speaker 4: I get it, but I keep hearing that. But it's
Speaker 4: from the people that, like, essentially that decide it because
Speaker 4: all these are like if we and by I mean
Speaker 4: the media, like they kind of we kind of decide
Speaker 4: on some level, it becomes consensus. If if people are
Speaker 4: just stumping for it, then.
Speaker 1: It because Bob Glaber wouldn't let us into their pro
Speaker 1: football right.
Speaker 4: Well, I get it, though, but I think it's the
Speaker 4: people that have microphones, people on on shows as influential
Speaker 4: as this one, and people as influential as you.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, if Tyreek killgoes were two thousands,
Speaker 3: like wow, that's never happened before, But he wouldn't got
Speaker 3: two thousands without TUA.
Speaker 1: So two is the m v P.
Speaker 3: That's just how it's just it's just how it goes
Speaker 3: because there are definitely people non quarterbacks. You should have
Speaker 3: been MVPs before because some people were arguing, how can
Speaker 3: you be an m VP if you're not.
Speaker 1: The best player on your team? I think that's legit?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, is it? Though? I mean, who are some
Speaker 1: of the people who have won it.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you right now is if Dak Prescott wins
Speaker 3: m VP, is he the best player on their team
Speaker 3: this year?
Speaker 2: But that's I think he's the most Now you're throwing
Speaker 2: the most valuable person on the Cowboys though, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: That which every quarterback is Tyreek Hill this year.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the argument that no like non quarterback
Speaker 2: is going to win it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then that's why. Then that's why the quarterback is
Speaker 3: going to win the award. Even if the Bengals finished tenth.
Speaker 4: It is a unique year that there aren't any totally
Speaker 4: crazy quarterback seasons that you know are are which I'm
Speaker 4: loving people away, but maybe it ends up being Dak.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: I think that's more he's like fourth or fifth right now,
Speaker 4: and McCaffrey's like seventh.
Speaker 1: I think they're not waiting to get the people. By
Speaker 1: the way, good one.
Speaker 4: Yards per route run, which is kind of a weird step,
Speaker 4: but yards per route run, yes, Like how many yards
Speaker 4: do you get every time you just go out for
Speaker 4: a route?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill this year is about four and a quarter
Speaker 4: yards per route run. That is more than a yard,
Speaker 4: So that's like twenty five. It's more than a yard
Speaker 4: better than any wide receiver in the last decade, and
Speaker 4: basically more than a yard better than any wide receiver ever.
Speaker 1: Holy I mean like in the last like.
Speaker 4: Twenty years in the next closest people, by the way,
Speaker 4: our Tyreek Hill like last year, like, but still like
Speaker 4: he's this year of his season. Is that far ahead
Speaker 4: in terms of like efficiency of him on the field
Speaker 4: than like it does?
Speaker 2: I feel like every time I'm watching Tyreek Hill catch
Speaker 2: the ball, he's twenty five to thirty yards downfield frying
Speaker 2: a secondary personnel.
Speaker 1: One of the smartest personnel moves that any player made
Speaker 1: in the last decade is Tyreek saying I'm not going
Speaker 1: to the Jets. I want to go to the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Mike McDaniel is there yet.
Speaker 1: It might have been maybe, but that couldn't have worked
Speaker 1: out better for him in all ways.
Speaker 2: All right, this will be a study in relativism because
Speaker 2: there is a similar concept here.
Speaker 1: But let's just go with it.
Speaker 2: Jake Browning, what's more likely Jake Browning goes Brock Purdy
Speaker 2: on our ass and in nothing short of a visual
Speaker 2: feast on the gridiron, unfurls four wins down the stretch,
Speaker 2: falling in a thriller to the Chiefs they don't get
Speaker 2: that one, but executing backup on backup crime and wins
Speaker 2: over Minshew's Colts, Josh D's Vikings, Trubisky Steelers, and Flacco's Browns.
Speaker 2: It goes ten and seven and prance into the wild
Speaker 2: card or before he is named Coach of the Year.
Speaker 2: DeMeco Ryans and his star pupil C J. Stroud take
Speaker 2: out the Ravens and Dolphins in January before facing the
Speaker 2: Chiefs in the AFC title tilt TBD on that result,
Speaker 2: but the world becomes attuned to the unusual skill set
Speaker 2: of former PFF numbers bod turnplay calling wizard Bobby Slowick,
Speaker 2: who arm in arm with Ryan's wins Assistant Coach of
Speaker 2: the Year, Stroud no shocker, wins Offensive Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 2: and the three immediately by a string of Houston by
Speaker 2: four dealerships to funnel passive income into their checking accounts
Speaker 2: for years to come. Stroud also becomes the new face
Speaker 2: of a Dell computer ad campaign, attempting to tell the nation, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: desktop computers are cool again. Clear off that oak desk
Speaker 2: and plant one of our three foot by two foot
Speaker 2: hulking technology centers where that quick book used to be.
Speaker 2: In the ad, Stroud comes across as a capable and
Speaker 2: easy to believe thespian.
Speaker 1: M think you what I'm going to just because C J.
Speaker 3: Shroud, you can't go to Dell because it's a Microsoft league.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Steve just knows these things. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Nail.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, you know, you put a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of of you know, addendums on there, which which nicks
Speaker 3: out the latter scenario.
Speaker 4: Right, if it was just Texans making the conference title game, uh,
Speaker 4: compared to the Bengals winning four straight and then making
Speaker 4: the playoffs at ten and seven.
Speaker 1: I mean you could base it there if you they
Speaker 1: were very well.
Speaker 4: I mean I can't because you read a lot of
Speaker 4: specific things that I I personally don't think.
Speaker 1: I mean, even if the desk is.
Speaker 4: Not oak, right, it all falls apart, Yeah, it all
Speaker 4: falls problem.
Speaker 2: I would say this though, like Coach of the Year,
Speaker 2: Assistant Coach of the Year for what he's done with
Speaker 2: Stroud and Bobby Slog and Stroud winning what he should win,
Speaker 2: like if not MVP at some un some level, he
Speaker 2: keeps going.
Speaker 1: But offensive Rookie of the Year or player this does.
Speaker 1: This is my principle that all segments with Cessler all
Speaker 1: end up in the same exact place. There's like everything
Speaker 1: kind of just funnels to the same spot every time
Speaker 1: I I do, like, this is your new thing. You're
Speaker 1: the Texans of your team. They're not gonna win the division,
Speaker 1: They're gonna win a playoff game. Good luck to you.
Speaker 1: I hope it works out.
Speaker 4: I think that's more likely that at Bengals, Yeah, winning
Speaker 4: four out of five, which which also could happen.
Speaker 1: But the Texans, we take it two, sucked in by
Speaker 1: the Browning thing. It was one game.
Speaker 4: This is a weak year. I'm It's reminded me more
Speaker 4: and more. I keep thinking of twenty eleven, which I
Speaker 4: always think about that there were no good teams twenty eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 4: by the time you got to the playoffs. And I
Speaker 4: don't think we're there because the forty nine ers are great,
Speaker 4: Cowboys are great. But in the AFC, we'll see how
Speaker 4: it all shakes out. Like you could see a surprising
Speaker 4: team in the AFC Championship game would not be crazy.
Speaker 1: I see you trying to minimize that second Giants title.
Speaker 1: I see what you do. I multiple shows in a row.
Speaker 4: My point, it's not the Giants. When I said it
Speaker 4: off game, I believe you've said it many times. I've
Speaker 4: let it pass each time. No, now that you've said
Speaker 4: it for the third time. That was one of the
Speaker 4: worst Patriots teams of the Belichick era, and they were
Speaker 4: like a driveway from winning the Super Bowl. It was
Speaker 4: a huge disappointment. But that was a bad, bad Patriots team.
Speaker 4: One of the worst defenses in the league, and they
Speaker 4: were like a drive away from winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Some years just seven teams. Oh, there were no good teams.
Speaker 1: So that must mean the team that won the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl actually wasn't that good that year. He got that point,
Speaker 1: you got him. He did go like nine and.
Speaker 2: So it became better and better though as their pass
Speaker 2: rush by the Super you know, but they were the
Speaker 2: worst rushing team I think in the league too.
Speaker 1: Steve, they were.
Speaker 4: They were outscored that season. I think it's fair to
Speaker 4: say they weren't like a dominant team.
Speaker 1: I mean what they weren't. They weren't an all time
Speaker 1: great team. But that was a great run it was
Speaker 1: a fun Super Bowl. I enjoyed the playoffs a lot
Speaker 1: of good games, well save for the twenty eleven podcast
Speaker 1: with me thirty second.
Speaker 4: I think in Dvoa defensively the Patriots that year.
Speaker 1: Were we even using that metric back then?
Speaker 4: I was, hey, now I think they go they go
Speaker 4: back to time with the two day All right, Steve,
Speaker 4: next one.
Speaker 1: Well, this dovetails beautifully into my life.
Speaker 3: More likely Bill Belichick retires because so few teams pursue him.
Speaker 1: Oh wow in the offseason to be their head coach.
Speaker 1: Whoa or.
Speaker 3: Mac Jones remains in New England in twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: as their quarterback?
Speaker 1: Oh man, geez.
Speaker 4: I mean see that was a good one. Does he
Speaker 4: have to start Mac Jones?
Speaker 1: Or easy? That the team? You know, there's no starter,
Speaker 1: he's on the team. I go back Jones? Then, yeah,
Speaker 1: I find it. I would find it almost impossible to think.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you know, fans and analysts and people on
Speaker 1: the outside aren't seeing what's really going on inside the
Speaker 1: league that maybe there wouldn't be a big market for Belichick,
Speaker 1: But the idea that he would almost be blackballed out
Speaker 1: of the league.
Speaker 3: No, no, I do blackball honest to god, do you think
Speaker 3: there are gonna be teams lining up?
Speaker 1: Do you think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I think absolutely
Speaker 1: there's an owner out there or six that would say, wait,
Speaker 1: I would love to have Bill Belichick runing my team.
Speaker 4: Explain this facial expression Steve is making on Oh.
Speaker 1: No, there was. There's definitely an ulterior motive behind this
Speaker 1: one one.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to have as many openings from
Speaker 2: the coaching angles we've had in a long time.
Speaker 1: It just feels like we're heading there.
Speaker 2: But I do wonder because like every like belichick biography
Speaker 2: talks about how it was drilled into his mind and
Speaker 2: heart and Cleveland, the ownership matters so so much so
Speaker 2: like some of these teams that are out there that
Speaker 2: might want him, he may not want and reverse. The
Speaker 2: only thing is there is that Don Schulla record sitting
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, and I know people say he wants
Speaker 3: it like this, but does he want it that bad
Speaker 3: to kind of go through? Because first off, if you've
Speaker 3: seen how great he's developed quarterbacks in the past couple
Speaker 3: of years, why would a team like Carolina want You're
Speaker 3: stuck with Bryce Young, right, Okay, So then all right, Tampa,
Speaker 3: they're gonna go through a cap cleansing. They're gonna have
Speaker 3: to get a quar like, are you gonna bring up
Speaker 3: maybe like that's.
Speaker 1: One of the few teams.
Speaker 3: But of all of these other things, I think the
Speaker 3: fact that you said mark ownership is huge to him.
Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna want the Chargers job. And that's where like
Speaker 3: Ben jons or someone's gonna come coach this quarterback again.
Speaker 1: That's what I think.
Speaker 3: Guys like Ben Johnson, believe it or not, dan Quinn,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some defensive coaches, guys like Dan Quinn.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be on shorter list than Bill Belichick. So
Speaker 3: that's why I think this, to me is the bigger story,
Speaker 3: not how the partying is going to happen, but how
Speaker 3: many teams actually are gonna give him a call?
Speaker 1: Do you want to come be our coach?
Speaker 3: I think there'd be more teams saying come be our
Speaker 3: director of football operations. And I could see a team
Speaker 3: like the Giants doing that, especially since they take his
Speaker 3: advice so much.
Speaker 1: Some of their coach hirings and other hirings, come come
Speaker 1: run our overall operation. That's his roots, right, instead of
Speaker 1: being the head coach.
Speaker 4: Well, and he has a longtime assistant is coaching the team. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they always sort of forget about what the Belichick tree.
Speaker 1: That Davo was there for like fourteen years. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think he Belichick and Parcells' careers are
Speaker 1: so intertwined. That's what Parcels did at the end. He
Speaker 1: was off the sideline and running from upstairs as well.
Speaker 1: I could see that. But he else, he's such a
Speaker 1: like Belichick's such a student and a lover of the sport,
Speaker 1: like having the opportunity to have that number one. So
Speaker 1: was Don Schull, Like how many people came after Don Schule? Right,
Speaker 1: so is Tom Lantry.
Speaker 4: Belichick will require an ownership, humbling himself a little bit,
Speaker 4: which is not always easy for ownership to do, and
Speaker 4: possibly clearing out the entire higher front office structure that exists.
Speaker 4: And that's hard, that's a pain in the butt. Maybe
Speaker 4: people don't want to do that just and I can't
Speaker 4: quite imagine Belichick's like, oh yeah, I'll go work for
Speaker 4: you know, Scott Fitter.
Speaker 1: It's like that's that's not happening. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: all right, here we go. What's more likely? I don't
Speaker 1: know this one. We'll see, We'll see what you guys
Speaker 1: say about this one. What's more likely the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: Mark's ears perked up steal the NFC North, where the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills steal the AFC East? WHOA what more likely Bills? Why?
Speaker 2: I just believe that we haven't seen what have we
Speaker 2: just moved on because I don't. I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of self explanatory the answers, like they've been doing this
Speaker 2: for years, and like you'd need the Dolphins to kind
Speaker 2: of collapse obviously.
Speaker 1: Play week eighteen. They played eighteen. The Bills beat the
Speaker 1: Dolphins forty eight twenty, so they would clinch the head
Speaker 1: to head if they beat them a week eighteen.
Speaker 4: So that's got a TI. They got to get to
Speaker 4: within one.
Speaker 1: They just have to tie him in the standings that
Speaker 1: the free up is rich.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like we're gonna get another version
Speaker 2: of the Bills. So I've been buried down out of
Speaker 2: this buy.
Speaker 1: In the Detroit. They may be a little more vulnerable
Speaker 1: than we could have thought a month ago. And the
Speaker 1: Packer is heating up.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all getting They're also separated by three games,
Speaker 2: so you.
Speaker 1: Know, I I would see.
Speaker 3: I would see the Packers making the run because they're
Speaker 3: starting to play in all facets, especially defensively. Great situation
Speaker 3: of football, Jordan Love looks real. I don't think the
Speaker 3: Lions will collapse. I think they're getting ready to regather.
Speaker 3: But I think Miami's is gonna go away to click off,
Speaker 3: you know, the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: They may lose once, it'd be a pretty huge collapse.
Speaker 4: Well, they have Titans Jets the next two weeks, which
Speaker 4: you know you they're going to be heavy favorites, but
Speaker 4: then they have Cowboys Ravens. Their Bills in this scenario
Speaker 4: would have to run the table. They would have to
Speaker 4: win every game. I think they're capable of it. But
Speaker 4: at Dallas home for Cowboys, that's that's tough.
Speaker 1: What if they split those games?
Speaker 3: They play four out of five at home, and you
Speaker 3: better believe they are gonna they are going to be
Speaker 3: playing for home field advances.
Speaker 1: Right the Dolphins anywhere else.
Speaker 4: Unless the Bills went out, the Dolphins would have to
Speaker 4: stub their toe against the Jets or the Titans and
Speaker 4: lose their hard games. They'd have to lose three out
Speaker 4: of four before even facing the Bills. There, I think
Speaker 4: the likelihood of one of these things happening is is
Speaker 4: probably greater than people think. I don't have a hot
Speaker 4: take on either, but to me, the Lions are a
Speaker 4: little more crickety, uh a word, So I'm gonna go down.
Speaker 4: It's more like a rickety yeah, just like the Foundation
Speaker 4: is a little rickety defense. Their defense is not yeah
Speaker 4: like they were quite like, you know, when was the
Speaker 4: last time they played a good defensive game.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's been a week. It's like it's it's
Speaker 1: like a fortress that's on like wooden planks, like you know,
Speaker 1: rickey at the base. Yeah, it's like, I know, I
Speaker 1: know what rickey is, but like, is that the I
Speaker 1: don't know is that the Lions? I mean, I know
Speaker 1: you were you went crickety, So it's yeah, that doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense whatsoever. From too many Mighty.
Speaker 4: You get, you get blown out, you get the doors
Speaker 4: blown off you by the Ravens. You have to win
Speaker 4: on the last possession against the Chargers, you know, you
Speaker 4: have to win on the last second against the Bears,
Speaker 4: same thing against the Saints. I mean, these are not
Speaker 4: great teams. So just a little ricky ye rickety Greg,
Speaker 4: This one's pretty simple. Kyler Murray is the Cardinals quarterback
Speaker 4: next year, or a rookie quarterback is the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Quarter what more likely?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that these you know, it's they're they're
Speaker 2: genuinely looking at Kyler Murray's like from with new fresh eyes.
Speaker 2: You've got all new people there, and they they've done
Speaker 2: it quietly, like the tank beyond the tanking thing. This
Speaker 2: year they already like accrued a bunch of draft picks
Speaker 2: in the previous draft. I always thought they were like,
Speaker 2: no matter what happened with this season, they were in
Speaker 2: good position to leverage those to get the quarterback that
Speaker 2: they want. I think new coach, new quarterback buys you,
Speaker 2: time buys you years. Like new coach attached to a
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray experience that's always been kind of up and
Speaker 2: down and weird, is a little more paeriless. You could
Speaker 2: get assets for him. I think he's very tradable, and
Speaker 2: I think they're going to go rookie. I think it's like,
Speaker 2: let's we're starting this experience over.
Speaker 1: I put Kyler in the same category Steve as justin
Speaker 1: fields where they have maybe some control of their faith,
Speaker 1: but they are going to have to ball out to
Speaker 1: end the season and change some minds in that building.
Speaker 1: I think it's more likely he does, though, get traded
Speaker 1: and they start over.
Speaker 3: I think more likely Kyler's back. I mean everything I've
Speaker 3: heard is had him and the OC really get along.
Speaker 3: They've kind of designed some things. And look at Kyler
Speaker 3: Murray's win loss record when he's on the field. He
Speaker 3: wins ball games given two this year. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: he wins ball games. So I think it could be
Speaker 3: a situation to buy the more time to say, let's
Speaker 3: get other pieces around him. We've got one more full
Speaker 3: year to evaluate Kyler. But if we've got to move off,
Speaker 3: move off of him after twenty twenty four, we at
Speaker 3: least have pieces around him where we can go out
Speaker 3: into free agency or something, or trade up and get
Speaker 3: a quarterback because now we've got all the other pieces
Speaker 3: we need, or more of the pieces that we need
Speaker 3: to be competitive.
Speaker 2: It's like it's telling that they, you know, with very
Speaker 2: clear eyes and common said he's going to come back
Speaker 2: and play this season. We're going to get a look
Speaker 2: at him, versus you know, some sort of phony thing
Speaker 2: where oh, we're not sure he's ready, and he's quietly
Speaker 2: never appeared.
Speaker 4: The contract makes it trickier to trades. I think it's
Speaker 4: I'll be talking about him a little on NFL Plus
Speaker 4: this Thursday, and yeah check it out. I think the
Speaker 4: way he's playing, he's cementing his spot. I agree, because
Speaker 4: he's just playing too well that they're not gonna want
Speaker 4: to deal with what's behind do or not? Two and no,
Speaker 4: by the way, it's a great receiver draft. Maybe you
Speaker 4: have the third pick. Maybe Marvin Airs like you could
Speaker 4: give him a nice weapon.
Speaker 2: All right, Last one, Mark, Okay, uh, all right, A
Speaker 2: this is a three parter and it's not as long
Speaker 2: as the other one.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make you see it for four minutes. A.
Speaker 2: The Super Bowl features a backup quarterback, okay, not a
Speaker 2: not a person you went anythink wit your starter?
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a lot of that going on.
Speaker 2: Or either one of two people, Dan or Mark pass
Speaker 2: away from what the NFL reports as natural causes while
Speaker 2: sitting through Steelers Patriots on Thursday night or Dan Mark
Speaker 2: okay yeah, or pros pro reporter and noted wine connoisseur
Speaker 2: Steve Why this offseason announces the unveiling of his own
Speaker 2: handcrafted pino noir it's coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a zesty, rich blend of northern Californian grapes. Wine
Speaker 3: shrinkers go utterly bonkers for this new offering entitled First
Speaker 3: and Drunk.
Speaker 1: Oh what you know what, I think Steve and his
Speaker 1: wife are a little bit too classy to have drunk
Speaker 1: in the title.
Speaker 2: I thought about that, but I think it's a marketplace.
Speaker 2: I mean, you when you go look for wine and
Speaker 2: you're with like some friends, you kind of it's the label,
Speaker 2: it's the name, and you're like, you try that.
Speaker 1: At least it's Steve, you know, holding a football on
Speaker 1: the cover, were drunk.
Speaker 3: We could tell it in you know, your your corner
Speaker 3: market story and bodega's around, you know, if we're putting
Speaker 3: drunk on there. And by the way, I've been getting
Speaker 3: the grapes in the Central Valley, that's where the pino
Speaker 3: grapes grow.
Speaker 1: My seeless guy there we go, you know, challenged the
Speaker 1: concept and he came drunk with Steve. And in the
Speaker 1: past we've all been there, so I'm not saying there,
Speaker 1: you know, getting loose and having a good time. I
Speaker 1: I think that's the most likely that Steve has some
Speaker 1: type of wine operation in the future. I hope you
Speaker 1: and I survived Thursday night football.
Speaker 3: I am concerned, but I think that's the least likely,
Speaker 3: and I think it is.
Speaker 1: Certainly possible we get a backup in the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but I'm holding out hope we're going to get a
Speaker 1: super power matchup healthy stars.
Speaker 4: I guess i'd go back up just because you could
Speaker 4: also get it have him injured, like in the playoffs
Speaker 4: or conference championship. And I just think Steve's at a
Speaker 4: point in his career. Hm, he doesn't need to be
Speaker 4: adding jobs right now, do you. I'm and you've got
Speaker 4: a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's too much horticulture and arming that have
Speaker 1: to just like, I just feel like that's too mud.
Speaker 1: But did you put a time on this. This could
Speaker 1: be the you know, I said this.
Speaker 2: Offseason, and I think it'd be a situation where you're not,
Speaker 2: you know, stomping grapes like that news person the felting.
Speaker 1: You're like you you're old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'd outsource the operation, but it would be
Speaker 2: like your name and your powerful brain.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I mean that might be possible. I'm
Speaker 3: still gonna go back up quarterback. As you have visions
Speaker 3: of nick Foles in my head, so it could possibly happen.
Speaker 4: How about Teddy Bridgewater for the Lions there in the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Teddy off this year? Well, a lot of teams could
Speaker 1: use it, Teddy right about now? The Lions they draft,
Speaker 1: they have it. They haven't needed one draft. Good to everybody,
Speaker 1: super Bowl week? All right, good stuff good? What's more likely?
Speaker 1: Do we have the grapes? Lady? By the way I
Speaker 1: stole on the board, I don't think you had grapes late?
Speaker 1: What do you mean, I don't think so? Do you
Speaker 1: mean so long? Isn't that like seven years? It wasn't
Speaker 1: actually that long ago? Really we used it for a segment.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 3: It's a grizzly say. It wasn't that long ago. Actually,
Speaker 3: I feel like it was just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: No, it was this year. It All right, Let's get
Speaker 1: to that Thursday night football game that Mark and I
Speaker 1: will be co helming on around the NFL tomorrow evening.
Speaker 1: It is the New England Patriots two and ten traveling
Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh to face the Steelers. Steelers. Gotta have it, Steelers,
Speaker 1: you know, Steve as Tomlins want to do after a
Speaker 1: really bad game. He comes after the team hard, he
Speaker 1: puts himself in front of the line. I need to
Speaker 1: be better, but we were JV and I just wonder,
Speaker 1: here's my curates because I almost want the game to
Speaker 1: be really bad. Now, me too. Yeah, so it's like,
Speaker 1: do the Pittsburgh Steelers play down to the level of
Speaker 1: their opponent with a backup quarterback themselves? Now, Mitch Trubisky,
Speaker 1: I could see this one getting real grizzly, low scoring,
Speaker 1: going down to the wire.
Speaker 3: Maybe let's give me the Pets too much credit? Yes,
Speaker 3: it is okay. You know, so we were talking about
Speaker 3: stomping grapes. So let's let's pretend that uh Tomlin and
Speaker 3: the Steelers defense is the winemaker. They are going to
Speaker 3: be dialing it up to stomp some grapes. Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: Bailey's happy. You can see a lot of Alex Highsmith T. J.
Speaker 1: Watt.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be kind because the Patriots can't move
Speaker 3: the ball. There it is, Bailey's happy. Bailey's see you
Speaker 3: got to outsource the grape and outsource.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, there will be there will be two defensive scores
Speaker 3: by Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Two to fire up here, fantasy ds.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know Mark those at the Browns week two
Speaker 3: what happened, so so it will it will turn out
Speaker 3: to be something sloppy like that.
Speaker 1: But defensively, I think the Steelers, no, this is one
Speaker 1: and no Remondre Stevenson. That was the only thing they
Speaker 1: could do him. He's got a high brain. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're going to see them again. Here it
Speaker 1: is the last five weeks, Patriots scoring seventeen seventeen. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if there's a defensive score here, seventeen
Speaker 1: seventeen six seven zero.
Speaker 4: Right, you mentioned the over at loss was thirty. The
Speaker 4: games that they've played the last three weeks haven't gone
Speaker 4: over seventeen because their defense is playing pretty well. They
Speaker 4: actually have the number one rush defense in the league
Speaker 4: in terms of yards per carry allowed. So that is
Speaker 4: what Pittsburgh's best at is running the ball, but offensive
Speaker 4: and Zappie was an upgrade even they It shows you
Speaker 4: how bad they are that they didn't They literally didn't
Speaker 4: score point and Zappi was unquestionably a little better than
Speaker 4: mac Jones had been. They had two drives, which really
Speaker 4: just to me typified where the Patriots are at a
Speaker 4: thirteen play drive that didn't past thirty and then an
Speaker 4: eleven play drive that ended at the forty three.
Speaker 1: That's that is where they are.
Speaker 4: Whoa, it is just yeah, I'm gonna go Steelers sixteen
Speaker 4: Patriots eleven.
Speaker 1: They covered the to get on the board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean I think that's how it projects.
Speaker 2: That's why probably will be like thirty one or nothing
Speaker 2: is like I would even, that's that's under that's under even.
Speaker 2: But when it's like that, I mean, the Patriots just
Speaker 2: are so inept and hard to watch on offense, Like
Speaker 2: they've gone forty one straight possessions without a passing touchdown.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get twenty five carries from Ezekiel Elliott. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 2: Ye. Yeah, I mean it's I need a lot of
Speaker 2: Alex Heismith too. I mean they've given him twelve sacks
Speaker 2: the Patriots the last three weeks, and like right, he's
Speaker 2: been their more numbers wise productive to ass Rusher. The
Speaker 2: one thing he doesn't is get rid of the ball.
Speaker 1: He just sort of hold he holds it. It's it's
Speaker 1: not gonna it's not gonna go here. Here's here's the
Speaker 1: good news, everybody. And again I said it on Monday,
Speaker 1: and I'll say it again. You're thinking yourself. I listen
Speaker 1: to ATN every week. I listen to every episode. But
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna clear my Thursday night played
Speaker 1: my Friday morning, but I'm not gonna listen to that
Speaker 1: the recap of that game. No, no, no mistake, because
Speaker 1: me and they are going to cook something up as
Speaker 1: an auxiliary seg as long as you survive. Well, that's true,
Speaker 1: but that would.
Speaker 2: Be just sharing memories of what such a flexible operation.
Speaker 2: That early in the week we had come up with
Speaker 2: what would have been a killer seg, but then the
Speaker 2: news cycle forced us to talk about some of that
Speaker 2: in real time when we bring the news to them
Speaker 2: very quickly.
Speaker 1: So we're just pitching.
Speaker 2: We're coming up with new ideas now and we're you know,
Speaker 2: we're stomping, we're drinking the first and drunk.
Speaker 1: We're doing all right. Don't don't blow Cunningham in the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's been taking some snap.
Speaker 4: Don't blow this Belichick because I want that top two
Speaker 4: pick and he has you know, it would be a
Speaker 4: callback performance. Does some very big like owning of Mike
Speaker 4: Tomlin and this Steelers operation moments which dotted much of
Speaker 4: the two thousands.
Speaker 3: Belichick's go on, love smith Man, He's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: making this pick man, I am not giving them.
Speaker 1: He is trying to get this win, all right. So
Speaker 1: check out Thursday night football on Amazon Prime and of
Speaker 1: course game coverage anchored by Colleen Wolfe not with us
Speaker 1: today on NFL Network. Okay, here we go, before we
Speaker 1: say goodbye, always fun. Steve's here, it's special. Let's open
Speaker 1: up the mail bag, and uh, you know this is
Speaker 1: right all right? Uh? Producer Eric who, by the way,
Speaker 1: producer Eric is more likely to start for the Patriots
Speaker 1: next season than Mac Jones. I feel confident saying that
Speaker 1: yes or no, well not more, I know.
Speaker 3: I mean he's missing a large part of one of
Speaker 3: his fingers.
Speaker 1: But not his throwing finger. You just got to spin
Speaker 1: it with the right hand. It's an is it No,
Speaker 1: it is your right hand. It is my right hand.
Speaker 7: But don't they say it's the the index finger that
Speaker 7: is the impourant one.
Speaker 1: Did you know that our producer lost part of his
Speaker 1: thumb in a slicing accident in the kitchen. I didn't
Speaker 1: and yeah, it has a growth on that. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's dude. I was actually having to talk to my
Speaker 1: wife about it yesterday.
Speaker 7: It's it's looks pretty normal, Like it looks like has
Speaker 7: a little gumby, little bit misshapen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but did you know.
Speaker 2: That body parts grow back if they're cut off. I
Speaker 2: didn't know that. I baffled me from the start.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't. I know, like, you know your
Speaker 1: liver can regenerate.
Speaker 7: I didn't if I took it to the nub, like
Speaker 7: the knuckle that I'm presuming I wouldn't be like in
Speaker 7: the same situation. But you know, I took off a
Speaker 7: slice and it is the I looked at the picture
Speaker 7: the other day of the actual incident and based off
Speaker 7: that to this it's night and day.
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy, to be honest. Any chance you
Speaker 1: could grow a second thumbnail? That would be something We'll
Speaker 1: check back in a couple of months. I'm holding out, hope,
Speaker 1: I'm holding out. Yeah, we could charge for that side.
Speaker 1: Side All right, let's get to it. Eric, first question up.
Speaker 1: All right, this is from a death metal Minivan. Niners
Speaker 1: are clearly the best team, but the universe refuses to
Speaker 1: let Kyle Shannan have nice things. So how are they
Speaker 1: eventually going to lose? I do think the Niners are
Speaker 1: the best team, but is it it's a little bit
Speaker 1: too much to say, like, oh, what could possibly get
Speaker 1: in the way? You know, there are some really good
Speaker 1: teams in the NFC alone atop that conference.
Speaker 4: I think for maximum pain it's of Ravens forty nine
Speaker 4: Ers super Bowl rematch. Oh yes, so that you can
Speaker 4: just like relive, because that to me seemed it wouldn't
Speaker 4: be painful necessarily for Shanahan related to the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 4: but for the fan base to have the same team
Speaker 4: kind of beat you. Maybe it's in the exact same way,
Speaker 4: you know, where they get down inside the ten yard
Speaker 4: line late and they throw.
Speaker 2: F we'd be fresh pain to lose to the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: which just happened under Shanahan.
Speaker 1: That's true too, so I think, yeah, you get you
Speaker 1: get there all the way. That's how I see. That'd
Speaker 1: be tough to I can't deal with it, can you?
Speaker 1: Just pictures like stone faced Mike Shanahan with that shock
Speaker 1: of white hair and the luxury suite on the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl just looking down at the sun, like do not
Speaker 1: disappoint me again. I have multiple titles. Do one on
Speaker 1: your own, like one of those things. Yeah, I could
Speaker 1: see that, I mean based on yeah, if that were this,
Speaker 1: you see that, Steve, Yeah, I could absolutely see it.
Speaker 3: The Most Painful Ways or rock Party you get hurt
Speaker 3: again the NFC cham two.
Speaker 4: Don't put that energy in the air, Steve, all right.
Speaker 4: Next up, then we get Sam Darnold starting to.
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy asks who will be the vaunted team no
Speaker 1: one wants to meet in the playoffs from the NFC
Speaker 1: and a FC this season. So this is a team
Speaker 1: that is I guess to make this work is right
Speaker 1: now on the outside looking in right.
Speaker 4: Well, it's just sort of the to me, the Bills
Speaker 4: pop up as like you don't want.
Speaker 3: A team that has to get hot, and like really
Speaker 3: not the number one seed right now?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, I I've already I think it's Texans personally.
Speaker 2: I think during the keep just going one playoff when
Speaker 2: you said maybe more, I said two in that in
Speaker 2: that scenario that they went to the a FC title game,
Speaker 2: maybe they didn't say what would happen though?
Speaker 1: And Green I guess green Bay would work as the
Speaker 1: backers have high level quarterback play. Yeah, a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I would have been, you know, super into
Speaker 1: the Vikings in this case, now we got to see
Speaker 1: what Dobbs looks like. But think about this though, don't
Speaker 1: get down two down on the Vikings. I know it's
Speaker 1: been rough couple weeks. The team around the NFL is
Speaker 1: getting Justin Jefferson back and that is going, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: maybe be a difference maker and they get hot again,
Speaker 1: and yeah, the d's so much better with Flores this year.
Speaker 1: All right, what's next? Alright? This is from White Hans
Speaker 1: Vender Morrow. Can I nominate Tua to be considered for
Speaker 1: the Superstar Club debate next summer? At current time, which
Speaker 1: QB would be considered to take off the list? All Right, Steve,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I know you have a connection to Tua,
Speaker 1: so I want to tee you up on this one.
Speaker 1: The Superstar Club, Steve, is an article I put out
Speaker 1: every summer on NFL dot Com where it's a zero
Speaker 1: sum game. If I put someone into the Superstar Club,
Speaker 1: I have to take someone out. So here's who's currently
Speaker 1: in the Superstar Club. If you are going to consider
Speaker 1: taking putting two in Josh Allen Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers? Is this
Speaker 1: based on just like whatever the upcoming season?
Speaker 3: Kind of like how we choose the one hundred for
Speaker 3: the upcoming year, but we reflected back on what they've
Speaker 3: done the previous year. So I'll take Aaron Rodgers off, right?
Speaker 3: Yeahs off, But.
Speaker 1: It's kind of easy in a way.
Speaker 4: But he is such a superstar as he's you know,
Speaker 4: made sure to remain throughout.
Speaker 3: Hey after seeing two on the Man cast Rock the Guitar, right,
Speaker 3: he's very versatile. Was there surprising person?
Speaker 1: Oh? I took out Dak last year? Frank Okay, I
Speaker 1: gotta put Dak in too, So I gotta take somebody else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, if I don't know if I can't Dawphins.
Speaker 4: Fans hate it, but I feel like I still need
Speaker 4: a little more from it here down.
Speaker 1: I think the rest of his season will tell.
Speaker 4: Her superstar because his his wide receivers kind of the
Speaker 4: superstar and his coach.
Speaker 1: You put him in the rock party category? No, no,
Speaker 1: but which name am I taking out? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Rogers would be a good one, but I would maybe
Speaker 4: put dak if dak and when he.
Speaker 1: Takes no shame in that one, no shame in that one.
Speaker 1: And I don't throw it out there. I know nobody
Speaker 1: wants to even talk about this.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Herbert, I mean he's yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 2: been a the we're super I.
Speaker 4: Mean, he's the one in the he's got commercials, he's
Speaker 4: got TV commercials, that magnetic subway.
Speaker 1: It's left.
Speaker 2: Not his personal skills that have like changed this year though.
Speaker 2: I think it's just he's in a mess.
Speaker 1: It's almost show. It's time to show. And I think
Speaker 1: this twelve inch foot long is gonna be delicious. They
Speaker 1: know where you're going with that? All right? Next up?
Speaker 1: All right, Eric Blazell, I think I got that right.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Mark Blasil Blasil Eric, let us
Speaker 1: know who is the most under the radar week Elite
Speaker 1: off season free agency signing. I like this one a lot. Greg,
Speaker 1: This is your world because you do the top one
Speaker 1: oh one. Who is the one that kind of maybe
Speaker 1: you had lower in the list and then ended up
Speaker 1: being a star this year? Who is it?
Speaker 4: I went back to look at the list in that
Speaker 4: top twenty is terrible compared to like twenty through fifty.
Speaker 1: About Bobby Okerke, I don't know Hurricane Kaoke.
Speaker 4: We haven't said his name much on this program, but
Speaker 4: he has been dynamite.
Speaker 1: We mentioned maybe epcom. Yeah, the Colts has been great.
Speaker 1: They all have to be very difficult.
Speaker 4: Also, Zach Allen for the Bronco although I had I
Speaker 4: had him right high, but he doesn't get a lot
Speaker 4: of pop and he's been fantastic.
Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair, Travalta didn't know how to
Speaker 2: say that women's name so that it fits.
Speaker 1: With the first All right, what's next? Jesse Bates, by the.
Speaker 4: Way, that's Kaiser Way TG Edwards Key.
Speaker 1: Parker Stewart asks, Hey, Dan new dad. Here thoughts on
Speaker 1: kids growing up as fans of their parents team. I'm
Speaker 1: a Packer fan, but I live around d C. Is
Speaker 1: a cool slash fair slash acceptable to make the kid
Speaker 1: follow suit with no other connection? Thanks? Uh? Is he
Speaker 1: like the Orioles or the Nationals or Yeah? So I
Speaker 1: can only tell you what I did because I'm obviously
Speaker 1: a New York transplant here in LA and I did
Speaker 1: not push the Jets on them at all because I
Speaker 1: knew first of all, the Jets are a very difficult
Speaker 1: fan experience. And two, if all their friends or fans
Speaker 1: of you know, a local team, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: take that away from them. So my eldest son, and
Speaker 1: you know, the dad juice is still powerful. So it's
Speaker 1: like they're going to be what his dad. Like my
Speaker 1: eldest son, I would say, he's kind of a Jets fan.
Speaker 1: My youngest son is gravitated toward the Chargers, another paying franchise,
Speaker 1: and they're also building a facility near nearby to where
Speaker 1: I live. So like I'm like okay with that. And
Speaker 1: they have a franchise quarterback maybe he's a superstar, maybe
Speaker 1: he's not. So let them do their own thing. And
Speaker 1: that's how I've played this because if you try to
Speaker 1: force it, bad news. Right.
Speaker 4: My initial thought reading this question is kids are have
Speaker 4: their own minds. Like, you can't make the children necessarily
Speaker 4: do anything.
Speaker 1: You can try to mold them you wish, it's not
Speaker 1: the healthy move to do.
Speaker 4: You can try, but it might not be successful. And
Speaker 4: more importantly, like every kid is different, Like some kids,
Speaker 4: yeah they there, they might be down with that. Some
Speaker 4: they're gonna have their own thoughts and then it also
Speaker 4: could change, like what they like at eight might be
Speaker 4: very different from what they like at twelve because of
Speaker 4: because of a lot of things like that, they're gonna
Speaker 4: have their own opinion. My daughter is diehard Rams and
Speaker 4: my son is more with the Patriots with me and
Speaker 4: kind of like it comes and goes or whatever. But
Speaker 4: they're kind of gonna do what they want to do.
Speaker 4: I feel like my.
Speaker 2: Dad, let he didn't never put he was a Giants fan,
Speaker 2: but he never pushed the Giants on me. We watched
Speaker 2: a lot of Giants games together, and it was just
Speaker 2: kind of like the doing that with your dad was awesome.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be here if I hadn't gone and
Speaker 2: picked the Browns back then. A lot of what happened
Speaker 2: there turned me into turn me onto like writing and
Speaker 2: journalism and the story of those teams and everything else.
Speaker 2: It's like, so I think you've got to not get
Speaker 2: in the way of the destiny of your child, whatever
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 4: You know, Like Walker is a fan of Scott Hansen
Speaker 4: in Red Zone. That's and his fantasy team that like
Speaker 4: we just like a lot of kids, that's that's his
Speaker 4: biggest them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my oldest son, you know, I told him, Hey,
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, I love the Vikings, and
Speaker 3: I lived in Minnesota, and so he's decided like the Vikings.
Speaker 3: But my other two kids, since most of their lives
Speaker 3: are in Atlanta, they love the Falcons. They love the
Speaker 3: Atlanta Hawks. But the one thing I do not allow,
Speaker 3: I do not allow Greg, pardon me, any Celtics frandom
Speaker 3: in the house.
Speaker 1: It is not allowed.
Speaker 3: I think that here for the Celtics you can go outside,
Speaker 3: but in the crib not have I like that.
Speaker 2: I think there are things that you would say that
Speaker 2: won't be part of our family.
Speaker 1: You can't be a fan in my house, Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 4: I pretty much cut put the kebash on Lakers. That
Speaker 4: was the only thing I really put.
Speaker 1: But it's funny like that kind of is in opposition
Speaker 1: of everything we were just saying. But there's not.
Speaker 3: No it's off limits, off limits. You cannot have it.
Speaker 3: It does not work, all right?
Speaker 1: What else, Brandon Laurie, if the NFL started a franchise
Speaker 1: overseas next season, who would he who would he think
Speaker 1: would make the best head coach for an international audience?
Speaker 1: Steve take this one.
Speaker 3: Come on, there's only one answer to this, and he's
Speaker 3: not coaching in the NFL. Right now, there you go.
Speaker 3: He's coaching at old miss Lane Kiffin. What how much
Speaker 3: of a superstar. I'm going ted Lasso here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Super handsome guy who doesn't care what he says or tweets.
Speaker 3: He's overseas so he can stick shots and everybody. He
Speaker 3: would completely engage with the international audience. We know he's
Speaker 3: you know, he will up and leave whatever. Lane Kiffin,
Speaker 3: that is a wild one.
Speaker 4: That would spectacular, which I think with Papa is he's
Speaker 4: like uber American. He is the best and the worst
Speaker 4: of what our country has to offer.
Speaker 1: Like he would he would represent uh no longer with us.
Speaker 1: Mike Leach would be a good guy.
Speaker 2: I think I'd go uber American in the sense of
Speaker 2: like ship Dan Campbell over there and he'd.
Speaker 4: Be out Scones and you know, you know, the hooganism
Speaker 4: would come back. Yeah, I thought of which, Who knows,
Speaker 4: maybe he will get a coordinator and a head coaching
Speaker 4: job someday. Henry's friend Aiden Dirty, the defensive line coach
Speaker 4: of the Cowboys, who's from London, that's right and is legit.
Speaker 4: You know, grew up there, played an NFL europe.
Speaker 1: And hometown hero Angle I like having.
Speaker 4: A very successful run here as a position coach, right now,
Speaker 4: and move.
Speaker 1: Up the ladder. Here we go. It's a good one.
Speaker 1: Had some hard knocks pop back in the day. All right,
Speaker 1: a couple more what we got? Oh, Steve, this is
Speaker 1: another one I picked for you. You you're still working
Speaker 1: with the Falcons. I'm not. I have ay, so now
Speaker 1: you you could be completely absolutely objective. Here we go,
Speaker 1: Tom Marshall, is it the scheme in Atlanta? Or is
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitch just not lived up to that? He both?
Speaker 3: Because look at man, we can sit there and say, hell, Falcons,
Speaker 3: you don't know what to do with Kyle Pitch. Well,
Speaker 3: he's been targeted sixty eight times. He has forty one catches, right,
Speaker 3: that's twenty seven non catches.
Speaker 1: Now that could be bad throws part of it.
Speaker 3: They still haven't figured out how to fully incorporate him,
Speaker 3: whereas oh, you know, Allions gets ham Laporte and as
Speaker 3: a rookie and he's like an anchor of their offense.
Speaker 1: Right, they figured that part out.
Speaker 3: And meanwhile Johnny Smith has twenty fewer targets and only
Speaker 3: four fewer catches and one more touchdown than Kyle Pitch.
Speaker 3: Part of that's is on Kyle Pitch, right, He's got
Speaker 3: to do something better to make himself more of an
Speaker 3: attractive option and make plays when they come his way.
Speaker 3: So I think that's a dual issue when it comes
Speaker 3: to Kyle Pitch in the.
Speaker 1: Fount and he's years into his career.
Speaker 4: I wish I could remember who said it. And he's
Speaker 4: still only twenty three, which is great. I'd love to
Speaker 4: see him with a fresh start. He's one of those
Speaker 4: guys he's going to be the next Sammy Watkins that
Speaker 4: you're like, he's still twenty seven. We always joked that
Speaker 4: Sam Hawkins was twenty seven years old for like seven
Speaker 4: straight years ago, And I wish I remember who had
Speaker 4: said this, but I looked out for it when they
Speaker 4: said it that in this last game, Pits is showing
Speaker 4: some frustrat at times, and the thought was me, he's
Speaker 4: frustrated about himself, that he is not as explosive.
Speaker 1: Coming out.
Speaker 4: And I do think if you watch, like he still
Speaker 4: looks like a great athlete, but is he next level
Speaker 4: crazy athlete that we sort of thought.
Speaker 1: He I don't know. I don't know, all right, last one,
Speaker 1: last one? Here we go, And it comes from Fox
Speaker 1: Real so FO so real on X, could you update
Speaker 1: the current hot butt rankings? Please? All right, So and Greg,
Speaker 1: Just to qualifier here, I'm not celebrating the job lack
Speaker 1: of job security for these men, and I know their
Speaker 1: staff and the family is involved. This is just the
Speaker 1: reality of the sport. Okay. This is the this is
Speaker 1: the coaches under fire. Not actually yes, it's more the
Speaker 1: sound effects.
Speaker 4: Uh well that really I think does It doesn't underscore
Speaker 4: you the point you made.
Speaker 1: That's show business, all right. So, like I said weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and I've been proven correct, and I think even Schefter
Speaker 1: reported on it a couple of weeks back, this could
Speaker 1: be unprecedented in terms of how many dismissals we have
Speaker 1: come black Monday and around that, we've already lost two
Speaker 1: coaches I have. I have a list of ten here,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put in an order of hottest butt
Speaker 1: to pretty hot butt. Ron Rivera won Yeah, stop me
Speaker 1: whenever you disagree. Steve Brandon Staley two, Dennis Allen three,
Speaker 1: Belichick at four, Ebra Flues five, Sola six, Artie Smith seven.
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah he's not He's not gonna get fired, okay,
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles eight Rable at nine and he's not gonna
Speaker 1: get a different situations and John McDermott at ten and the.
Speaker 3: McDermott one's gonna be real and a real interesting one
Speaker 3: to watch.
Speaker 4: Well, this this doesn't feel like now there are always
Speaker 4: surprises like Vrabel, you know, fulfilling Patriots fans dreams and
Speaker 4: like somehow going there and getting traded or something would
Speaker 4: would would be a.
Speaker 1: Young quarterback man, I don't know if you want to leave.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's gonna happen, like so maybe there
Speaker 4: is surprise. But then now I look at this list
Speaker 4: and it's like, actually the over unders round eight, which
Speaker 4: is normal, right, Uh? I would put Dennis Allen slightly
Speaker 4: lower than than who are the ones right below?
Speaker 1: And Belichick and Eberflus, they feel like they're.
Speaker 4: Almost certainly I think I think he's whereas Dennis Allen.
Speaker 1: No, I think he's about the final hundred meters of
Speaker 1: the green miles.
Speaker 4: I tend to agree because I don't think they'll win
Speaker 4: the division. But if they won the division. But here's
Speaker 4: the thing, maybe.
Speaker 1: If if you guys are all in that so Rivera's daily,
Speaker 1: Alan Belichick, ebraflu that's five plus two already give me
Speaker 1: I forgot about the tour guys. I think he's well,
Speaker 1: I think he's done a good job.
Speaker 2: But like, is Todd Bowles like a rock solid like
Speaker 2: sticking around guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just think it's like it depends who helps becomes available.
Speaker 3: Sometimes with these situations you have that many openings, how
Speaker 3: deep are you going into the well?
Speaker 4: And also where do they view their development if they
Speaker 4: view next year as a little bit of a well
Speaker 4: they've got do we just want balls to get another
Speaker 4: chance for that year and then then see.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of years.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, how like teams don't spend two
Speaker 2: years just sitting around doing I mean, there wasn't a
Speaker 2: lot of like a purpose to this Bucks season so far.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think they felt they had enough
Speaker 3: veterans and their their cap was in such a way
Speaker 3: like Okay, let's give this a shot. But they've got
Speaker 3: to them and the Saints have got to have their
Speaker 3: final salary cap older player reckoning hung up in the
Speaker 3: next year or two, and I think that's when you
Speaker 3: clean everybody out.
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna say, Arthur Smith, do you think
Speaker 1: he's got enough rope there to survive three straight seasons
Speaker 1: without the playoffs, potentially.
Speaker 3: If they go seven to ten, I think for a
Speaker 3: third straight year, I think he's in trouble. But I
Speaker 3: think they'll win enough games this year to contend. I
Speaker 3: think they'll give him an opportunity to get a quarterback.
Speaker 3: You know, they stifled the process by flirting with the
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson stuff one year, and I think, kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, they didn't, they didn't and then end up
Speaker 3: not getting him. Yeah, but I think he will get
Speaker 3: one more year because I think he can coach. I
Speaker 3: think or you know, organizing the overall team has taken
Speaker 3: some time, but they get a quarterback, they're going to
Speaker 3: be They're gonna be a dangerous for.
Speaker 4: Their schedule is quite easy too, It's very but there's
Speaker 4: a there is a hunger games feel to this the
Speaker 4: end of this NFC South season because it's Tampa, Atlanta,
Speaker 4: New Orleans all playing each other and feeling like maybe
Speaker 4: only one coach you gotta win the division.
Speaker 1: Feel safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still think Arthur Blank could be patient with him.
Speaker 3: He's been He's been patient with most of his head coaches.
Speaker 4: Well luckily for him, I think he's there the most
Speaker 4: likely they got a game up and they got the
Speaker 4: most talent Hunger games.
Speaker 1: I would have went with what's that the Japanese Death
Speaker 1: Show on Netflix? The a little more currents good games,
Speaker 1: good games. I would have squid games. Is the pop
Speaker 1: culture refer there? Oh wow? Or we can go classic
Speaker 1: Lord of the Flies. All right? Uh, Steve, you've said
Speaker 1: it all. Please plug Steve? Where can people see you?
Speaker 1: Hear you?
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Speaker 1: Good guess your stuff? You a good guest, good show.
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Speaker 4: And then as a podcast yes.
Speaker 3: And then on Sunday's Game Day preview with Andrew Ceciliano's
Speaker 3: Cynthia Freeland. I don't know who our fantasy guests will
Speaker 3: be this week. I think it's Adam Rank, not quite sure,
Speaker 3: but that's a very good show. Great reporters up to
Speaker 3: kick off, getting good information there, so good stuff there
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having you guys, always a great time. Really
Speaker 1: fun and we'll be back Thursday with our Thursday triple header. Uh,
Speaker 1: stay tuned for that until next time. Heed the call.
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Speaker 1: That guy I know you're talking about.