1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast presented by by Star Credit 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. All Right, welcome to 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: this week's Ozone podcast. And uh, I'm excited about six weeks, Yes, 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: because I've been looking forward to talking to him. It's 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: sometimes tough to get to know a guy in the 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: locker room. You can't really ask the questions and get 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: really in depth answers. But I know I from listening 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: to Za, he loves in depth answers. I'm talking to 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: Jaguars wide receiver's A Jones and I, first of all, 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: I talked to you a second ago, and you introduce 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: yourself as Isaiah. Tell me how ZA got there? Obviously? Uh? 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: Sound that did somebody specific? I give you that name? 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: How did that start? It was just a childhood nickname 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: my family called ms z's a my mother, my father, 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: And then as I got to college, more people called 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: ms A and um, I guess I gained more notoriety as. 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: And then when it came to my senior season at 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: East Carolina, when they were doing the announcements UM as 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: far as like player introductions, they had asked me what 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to be announced as, and I just said 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: to say I thought it was kind of funny, or 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: at least you know, the fan base knew me as that, 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: but I didn't know what was going to carry on to, 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: like ESPN changing it Tuesday and then the NFL Draft 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: announcing me as a so that that wasn't my intent 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: and kind of just happened. Two and three. This season 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: right now had some ups and downs. I started off 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: talking about the Jags a little bit. Um, you're a 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: veteran and have been through seasons ups and ups and downs. 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: You know it's up and down league. Um. Is that 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: your message to teammates this week that hey, this thing 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: takes a while. These seasons take a while they play out. 33 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: You follow me on that, Yeah, I do. Um, it 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: is a very long season. I think the the best 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: thing that we can do is remain poise, remain confident, 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: and trust what we're still doing. Um. You know, you 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: don't you don't panic just because something may not go 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: right one week. You know it's it's good to make 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: adjustments and solid adjustments and kind of uh reload a 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: little bit, recharge, um, bring things back center. But if 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: you can stay balanced and kind of understand, okay, positive 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: negatives which you can take from both aspects, place it together, 43 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: focus on the task at hand. Um, you'll be fine. 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: I've seen it. Um. By no means how I you know, 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: going on the way the super Bowl like Doug so 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 1: having him as a leader, understanding what it takes him, 47 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: reaffirming that, hey, guys, this is what we need to do. Um. 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: It gives you confidence as a player, gives a team confidence. 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: How hard is that to learn as a young player? 50 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: And I guess you gotta stay on social media to 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: do It's social media is everywhere I think as a 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: young player, I don't think you fully have graphs yet. 53 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: How long the NFL season and what goes all into 54 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: it and and what it means to be able to 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: get to the playoffs and then having your chance there 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: because you used to you know, guy's twelve thirteen games. 57 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: Well that's you know, that's still uh not the full season. 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: So the health aspect of it, staying healthy, um, staying 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: in your playbook, new game plans, playing teams twice a year. 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot that goes in into it. So uh, 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: it's a roller coaster at times. UM. I think that 62 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: that's what makes the NFL so exciting for not only 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: the players competing, but for fans and audiences. Is like 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: it's any given Sunday type league, and um, it's fun 65 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: to be a part of. It's fun to compete in. 66 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: But if you can just stay grounded and play by 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: play week by week as a young player, surround yourself 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: with some great veteran leadership, UM, really open your ears 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: to listening and beginning to find the routine that works 70 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: for you. UM. I truly believe. Um, that's how you 71 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: grasp it from from a younger age. You mentioned Doug Peterson. 72 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: It it strikes me that I don't know why, but 73 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: some of the things you just said about staying calm 74 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: and staying even he probably speaks to you pretty well 75 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: as a coach day in terms of that meaning that's 76 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: sort of his nature. It seems like he sort of 77 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: gets that use NFL coaches get it, but he he 78 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: really seems to walk it. If you will. Yeah, I 79 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: think he's very profound in his message to me because 80 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: I know what he's saying is true. If that makes sense. Um, 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: it's not like he paints all these unique type pictures. 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: They're they're just they're just facts and they seem like 83 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: cliches in a sense. They seem so like, oh, yeah, 84 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: well we know that, but do you actually know it 85 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: and do you actually believe in it? At least an 86 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: act for me, when when Doug says it's about us, 87 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, that's not like groundbreaking or anybody's like, oh, 88 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: this is the greatest quote. But if you sincerely think 89 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: about it, it's about what you can control. Um, you 90 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: can't control the elements. Um, if it's gonna rain, you 91 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: can't control whether you're gonna play in a dome or outside, 92 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: or you know those sorts of sorts of things, or 93 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: even who's gonna be up on your own team. Right, 94 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: So that's why you prepare the way that you're supposed 95 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: to prepare. That's why you approach the days with a 96 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: great and laser like focus, UM, taking your reps seriously, 97 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: being able to make mistakes and rebound from mistakes. And 98 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: that's what it means to be about us. So that's 99 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: just one example of what Doug speaks to us as 100 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: a team that I really grasp hold onto and I 101 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: try not to forget those things. I remind myself daily 102 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: something I should have known. I guess I didn't know 103 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: and have forgotten catches in college that is. I mean, 104 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: it's a record. So but that's a lot of balls 105 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: to catch. M and when you catch that many, you 106 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: get good at it, you gain confidence you can do it. 107 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: You know I'm getting I mean production, and you've had 108 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: big time production. Uh, it's got to help you going forward. Well, 109 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: I never I never entered college saying that I was 110 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: going to break this record, this record. This record, by 111 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: the way, you also owned a single season. I mean 112 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: for the end of the receivers on the team. Yeah, 113 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: there were actually and you know what, uh, John, I 114 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: think the main thing that was is justin Hardy cat 115 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: came before me, which is one of my teammates who 116 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: played in the league, and you know, he had actually 117 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: broken the record. So it was around my sophomore year 118 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: that I saw it could be done. Um, and when 119 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: I saw that, I began to visualize myself doing something 120 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: to that magnitude and doing something that great. And I 121 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: think that's when that that quest or vision so to speak, 122 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: kind of panned out. But from the beginning, I just 123 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: wanted to help my team. I just wanted to be 124 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: on the field. I just wanted to be a part 125 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: of it and and literally get the ball rolling. And 126 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: as I went on and on, I didn't. I didn't 127 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: think I was gonna have a hundred and fifty eight 128 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: catches for yards or whatever it was. And in a 129 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: single season. That was just the work I was putting in, 130 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: and the works never finished. So leading into the NFL, 131 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: my production for what I did in college was great, um, 132 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: literally record breaking, But that work has never done for me. 133 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: There's mistakes and and things that I still make today 134 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: at seven that I'm trying to improve upon, and I 135 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: feel like I'm never a finished product. You know. I 136 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: consistently just want to work and be the best that 137 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: I can. And you know, I'm gonna be able to 138 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: look back later on in my professional career and possibly 139 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: look at some of the great things I did like 140 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: I did in college. This on that front is it's 141 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: a big opportunity. You've been productive in the NFL, probably 142 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: not as productive as you want to be, yet, Um, 143 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: what kind of opportunity is this in terms of your career? 144 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: I think it's huge. Yeah, I mean I think every 145 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: season presents its own challenges and they're supposed to be 146 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: a new level or i'd like to think there's a 147 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: new level that you can that you can reach as 148 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: as years go on. So I think I'm myself's biggest critic, 149 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: harshest critic, so to speak. Um, No one evaluates or 150 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: critiques my game harder than I do. And the things 151 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: that I want to do UM in this league are astronomical. Um. 152 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm just one man, So 153 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: I can't I can't think it's all gonna be about me, 154 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: or that I'm gonna solely do this by myself. And 155 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: so now you have to separate what's the most important thing. 156 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: The most important thing is this team winning football games, 157 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: which ultimately helps me also in the end. So when 158 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: you place those team goals ahead and you find how 159 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: your role can carve out and you can execute that 160 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: role within there, naturally guy's production comes along. And sometimes 161 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: when you're just playing the game, the ball finds you, 162 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: things finds you, things happen for you. If you have 163 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: the right mindset and the right attitude approaching uh the 164 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: game in season. How much better receiver are you now 165 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: when you came into the league. Maybe it's a professionalism, preparation, maturity, 166 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: I mean, all those things go into it, I assume 167 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: you prepare better two. Yeah, I think it's just very 168 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: much refined. I think I had all the attributes and tools, 169 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: but I wasn't. I wasn't as sharp and as refined 170 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: as I am now, and just naturally that experience of 171 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: seeing the game through a different lens of understanding where 172 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: I need to be, how I need to be, how 173 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: does my quarterback see it? What is the defense actually 174 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: showing me where they're going to end up, and like 175 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: those sorts of details like that. I was very very 176 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: clueless my rookie season. I didn't really have a whole 177 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: lot of true guidance since understanding. You know, it's just 178 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: the way it flows. So, um, I'm proud of myself 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: for how far I've come in this league. I'm proud 180 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: to be a part of this organization with these guys. 181 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: But I know for myself, I still have a very 182 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: very long road to go to get to where I 183 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: ultimately see myself. Now, who's the fastest Jaguar? Who's the 184 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: fastest Jaguar? Yeah? I like this because most guys automatically 185 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: save themselves. Yeah, I know. Um, Me and Jamal Agnew 186 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: have talked some some playful back and forth. I'm fast, 187 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: pretty fast. He is very very fast. He's very electric. Um, 188 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: I would say thirty nine probably is. I mean, he's 189 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: a he's a fast dude. I got a lot of 190 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: respect for him too. It's rare most guys won't say. 191 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, I've had guys who are 192 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: clearly not the fastest guy on the team tell me that. 193 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: I've never had a I didn't have like a hundred 194 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: plus yard touchdown. So you gotta be well, you gotta 195 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: be pretty quick. You gotta be moving to get that. Yeah, 196 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: that's fair. What you know? People don't know. Father Robert 197 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: Jones played. I think it was eleven years in the league. 198 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Um, what you know? Such a cliche question. 199 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: But how did that help you? What did you learn 200 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: from him? I know you were only about four or 201 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: five when he stopped playing, or six, But anything there 202 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: that he taught you told you about the league, surviving 203 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: in it, thriving in it. Yeah for sure. Um, you know, 204 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 1: as you said, my dad played for ten years. Um, 205 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: got a lot of rings to show for. He shows 206 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: off though something. He's got three of them. He's got three, 207 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: got two with Dallas and one with St. Louis Rams. No, 208 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: he's got They're all three with Dallas Das. I'm sorry, 209 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: I thought he was on the Rams. Yeah, he was 210 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: on the Rams, but he got three with Dallas got. Um. 211 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: Just the mentality, the approach that you need to have. Um, 212 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: it's this game is not just rolling the ball out 213 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: and is going out there and doing whatever they want 214 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: to do. But truly the mental aspect of it and 215 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: the mental fortitude that it takes to play this game. 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean, day in and day out, week after week, 217 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: season after season. Um, I'm at year six and he 218 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: did tent and you know, the body begins to hurt 219 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, the continuous crime and 220 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: you know back in the nineties there are two days 221 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: and stuff that they're doing was was, you know, perfectly different. Yea. 222 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: So just the mental he says he can cover me, 223 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't think he can at all. I'm pretty sure 224 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: he would blow both hamstrings. Quality could. No, he couldn't. 225 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: Now if I was trying to run through the box, 226 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: it's different. He could play. It's very very different. But no, 227 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: I don't think he could cover me. But yeah, Pops 228 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: has uh definitely been He's one of the main reasons 229 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm here. He is. He is the reason I'm here. Um, 230 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: you played with Josh, I mean he was a rookie. Yeah, 231 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: you're playing with Trevor Lawrence. Josh was not perfect as 232 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: a kie. He struggled. He's now elite. Any comparisons any 233 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: uh do you ever share that with Trevor any thoughts 234 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: in that direction, because Trevor is still developing. Yeah, you follow, 235 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: they are. They are very there, eerily similar from if 236 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: you're comparing the years they're at, you know, a lot 237 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: of credits to Josh and what he's done and in 238 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: the organization. But um, Trevor is, he's a very very 239 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: special talent. He's a very special talent and some of 240 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: the same things that obviously we're seeing and Josh. I 241 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: don't like comparing people because I think that even though 242 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: I just said they are similar, they're they're different, so 243 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: their growth track could be completely different. But um size, speed, um, 244 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: armed talent, um, just intelligence. I mean, Trevor has all 245 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: the intangibles, and I really feel like he's gonna put 246 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: it together and he's gonna he's gonna be phenomenal for 247 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: this organization for a long time down the road. A 248 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: silly question, but I'm fascinated by its best receiver. Uh, 249 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: your favorite receiver? Do you have a guy my favorite 250 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: receiver in the league or ever that you watched. I mean, 251 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: I know you study the game. Yeah, I got tons 252 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: of receivers. Um. I actually didn't play receiver at first 253 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: in football. I was a running back guy. Um, but 254 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: when I transitioned to receiver, one of the first ones 255 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: that I really really admired was Calvin Johnson. I thought 256 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: he was absolutely phenomenal just the way he did Andre 257 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: Johnson as well. Um, I'm kind of old school, I 258 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: guess because of my dad. So I know, like yeah, 259 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: like Marvin Harrison, like very very o j McDuffie, Uh, 260 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: very old school. I just respected those guys and the 261 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: likes of obviously Jerry Rice, Randy Moss. But recently in league, 262 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a fan of a lot of guys just 263 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: like just naturally respect a lot of guys I've played 264 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: with in this league. Um, you know, I could name 265 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot, but Hunter Renfro is one of my guys 266 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: that like, I just love his game. Cooper Cup um digs. 267 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that I respect to Um, 268 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: go down the list of the people that I like 269 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: to watch. Got you. It sounds like you like where 270 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: this team is and where it's going right now, even 271 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: though two and three I you still like the direction, 272 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: You still like what's going on. I assume I'm reading 273 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: that right. Yeah. What gives you confidence? Just a group 274 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: of guys and the what we've been through already. Right, 275 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: so if if you go back, none of us knew 276 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: each other really and and o ta training camp. We 277 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: all came in essentially like coaches included. Nobody was here, 278 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: and um, we build a rapport. We learn each other, 279 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: getting on the same page, how people talk, you know, 280 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: getting cell phone numbers, things like that, texting, trying to 281 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: hang out, just learn about each other, bonding, and then 282 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: we go through you know tis then we go to 283 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: the training camp. Training camp is not easy. I don't 284 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: care who you are, like, it's it's a grueling process. 285 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: And to go through the preseason games to work out, 286 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, the kinks in the offense and obviously for 287 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: our defense and special teams as well too. To drop 288 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: the first game, to come back and to respond, to 289 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: come back and respond again in a major way. To 290 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: dropping a game, to struggling again. Um, that's what builds 291 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: the story, That's what builds the adversity, that's what builds 292 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: why we're doing this. So I feel like it's opportunity 293 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: to find out who we are individually as men and 294 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: women inside of this building and how we're going to 295 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: two carry on and finish. Story hadn't been written yet. 296 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: Come on, five games. You know what I'm saying. Don't 297 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: pay it the last thing we do yet. I call 298 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: it the A zone. Five Just five quick questions. Have 299 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: a little fun with it. Um A Jones? What your 300 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: last binge watch? If you or a TV guy? Pinky 301 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: Peaky Blinders, how did you watch it? I My wife 302 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: loves it, and I have not sat down start to finish, 303 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: but I've watched enough. Yeah it's even never. Yeah, you 304 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: gotta tune in with her. Yeah, well she's sort of 305 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: halfway through it now, so I've got to go back 306 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: and really just a merchanty. But it's, uh, it looks incredible, dude. 307 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: It was really good. My friend Chris had asked me 308 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: to watch it for a long time. I just I 309 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: never did. I don't know. And then I kind of 310 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: circled around back to it, and then I couldn't stop. 311 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: You got the best one of all the time. Free, 312 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: what's your favor? You don't have to give it more 313 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: time because it's still very fresh and so like I'm 314 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: off the high of the peak. Breaking Bad was good. 315 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: Terminal List was good. Chris Pratt did a phenomenal job. 316 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: You've never seen Terminal List writing it down. Please, okay, 317 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: go watch that good Alright, I'm a wire guy, but 318 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: that's okay, that's old school. That your classic. They had 319 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: pay funds inhow oh yeah? Last song you listened to 320 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: on the way in this morn? Last song I didn't 321 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: listen to music in the car I was. I was 322 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: listening to a podcast. You go to song right now? 323 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: Oh okay, So my cousin Tory Blake has a song out. 324 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: It's called so Glad. Just get a little promo for 325 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: their but like that, yea, so Glad Tory Blake? All right, 326 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: check it out? Definitely there you go. What sport were 327 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: you playing? Gammon? Football? I trod baseball. I didn't think 328 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: I was too good at it. People say I would 329 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: be to be a good outfielder now, but I don't know. Um, 330 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: probably basketball, but I'm not like super super tall I'm 331 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: only six to um so you're different there too, because 332 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: most guys can here and say they could play in 333 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: the NBA. No, I'm not one of those. Like, dude, 334 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: if I practice shooting, maybe i'd be good. I could hustle, 335 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: play good defense. Um, I can dunk if no one's there, 336 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I don't think I 337 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: could dunk going like shock or nothing like that. I guess. 338 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: So three college catches. What was the best one? Uh, 339 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: probably my first touchdown. I remember it. It was in 340 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: like a five wide set. I was in the slot 341 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: to the left. We were in the red zone. Shane 342 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: Cardon threw it to me. It was like a quick 343 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: out with the m O R outside release go and 344 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: I ran like a two step kind of solid defender, 345 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: stuck him straight to the pylon. They kind of dove 346 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: and it was a cool time. Man. It was Yeah, 347 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: that's exactly That's exactly what it was. It was just 348 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: like a very groundbreaking moment for me. And because I 349 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: wasn't really highly recruited in high school at all, I 350 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't have like all the offers, like East 351 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: Carolina was my only offer. So final question and I 352 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: you alluded to it already. Uh. Person most responsible for 353 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: you being in the NFL, Yeah, take you down. Yeah, 354 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: it'll probably be my father. I mean, glory to God too. 355 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here without God. But my my father. Um, 356 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: just the what he's overcome in his own personal life 357 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: and the triumphs that he's overcome. And then but both 358 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: of my parents actually, like my mom and dad like 359 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: just being so active and and and present in my life, 360 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: you know, from my parents. Shout out Minisha, shout out 361 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: Robert Dave Jones. Fantastic stuff. I knew it would be. 362 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: And I can't thank you enough for joining the Other 363 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: Zone Podcasts week. Appreciate it man, Thank you for having me. 364 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: This has been awesome.