1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to a conversation with coach Tom Coughlin, the newest 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: inductee into the Pride of the Jaguars. Here's your host, 3 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: Ryan Sexton. 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: I try to describe to people what this place was 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: like when you first started coach. You were the captain, 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: You were the navigator, you were the helmsman. You were 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: also the north star. I mean, you knew you had 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: a vision for where this thing was going. As you 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: look back at that, did you know it was going 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: to be as big a job when you first walked 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: into Jacksonville in February of nineteen ninety four, did you understand? 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think you kind of did, but was 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: it bigger at some moments? 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: No, I you know I did. 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 4: I took a Division three job at a school that 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: had club football. When I first when I got my master's. 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: Degree Rochester Institute Technology, I was twenty two. 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 4: I think I was twenty two, and you know I 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 4: did everything. I did everything. I mean I I coached 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 4: the team, I recruited the players, I made the schedule, 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: I made the transportation trip, I ordered the food. I 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 4: took care of preseason. You know, we stayed in the 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 4: fraternity house in preseason used their chefs and all. That's 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: a I lined the fields, you know, you name it, 25 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: We did it, and I often wondered, okay, so this 26 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: has been a great experience. But what and lo and behold. 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: You know, the. 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 4: Organizational part was exactly the same, the idea that I 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: would take the job in February of ninety four and 30 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 4: not play till ninety five, which may have been a 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 4: detriment to you know, at one point there were a 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 4: lot of people interested in this job. But the way 33 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 4: that I set it up, the way we hired, of course, 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: you needed personnel because you had to get going on 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 4: that right away. 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: So that was there. 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: I brought five coaches with me, as you know, and 38 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 4: we conducted ourselves as if we were playing in ninety four. 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 4: We even did in the fall. You remember, we did 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: game plans. We had a schedule, We made up a schedule, 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 4: and we had game plans. So organizationally, I knew what 42 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 4: we had to do, when we had to do it, 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: and how we would point toward that first. But I 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: mean the ability to communicate, and I thought about this 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 4: a lot when we were going to get together. The 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 4: ability to communicate to the people that came with us 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 4: as to what was in front of them was very 48 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: very important because I often think for a minute this way, 49 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: you know, I lost my quarterback, so I don't have 50 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: herd The one that really should be honored is Judy. 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 4: So she's married to a football coach who he's over 52 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 4: here for two years over here, for two years over here. 53 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 4: But in those times, you you you moved and you 54 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 4: went to work because that you had your team or 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 4: your formula leading your team or whatever. But but you 56 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 4: were doing that, well, you've got to multiply that by 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 4: a little bit, maybe by as many as three in 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 4: terms of the amount of time that I had to 59 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 4: devote to the job. Yeah, you know, and you know, 60 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 4: God bless her. You know, we had to We rented 61 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: a place while the the marsh Landing House was being built, 62 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: and uh, Brian and Katie were of course, and Kate 63 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 4: were the were the two kids. 64 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: Still at home. 65 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 4: So I mean she navigated it, you know, incredibly well, 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: because she's just she was. She's a great person. She's 67 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 4: a great friend to everybody to name it. But but 68 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: the point I'm making is people who came here had 69 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: to know what was coming, Yeah, because I mean you 70 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: start from scratch, and every once in a while, I 71 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: do have to slap myself. This is the this is 72 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: the greatest expansion franchise in the history of the NFL 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 4: in terms of success and uh. And there's probably two 74 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: hundred people who directly can take credit for that. And 75 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 4: when I'm receiving the award, it will be recognized that 76 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 4: that name might be up there, but it represents two 77 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 4: hundred people. 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: You're one of them. 79 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: So it's funny you say that because and there's a 80 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: couple of us who are still here involved in the franchise, 81 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: and as we four of us, as we walk the halls, 82 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: we still feel your presence you because because the way 83 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: that you had to go about it, you were so 84 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: intently focused. I always marveled at your ability to be 85 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: wor where your feet were at, because clearly, with everything 86 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: else you had to do, you could have been in 87 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: seventeen different places. That sense of purpose, Coach, is the thing. 88 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: I think the residual that you left here when you 89 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: left in two thousand and two. 90 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 4: Well hopefully, I think one of the good things that 91 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 4: I heard and refers to what you're talking about, is 92 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: when I came back in seventeen Yeah, and Logoman said, 93 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 4: there's a little peppin people's step now that this guy's 94 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 4: back around. Oh yeah, which was really an interesting comment 95 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 4: because I've been gone a long time. 96 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: But because people need really I believe this in all 97 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: walks of life. And you're also a leadership expert because 98 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: you have done this your whole life. People need someone 99 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: to set the course, which you did from the very 100 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: early days here. And you know football's complicated, right you 101 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: were here, you started this, You left in O two, 102 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: you came back in seventeen, you left a couple years later. 103 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: This place clearly means so much to you. And by 104 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: the way, your high school fields named after you, You're in 105 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: the Giants Ring of Honor, You've got Super Bowl rings. 106 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: Someday the Hall of Fame will put you in. And 107 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: yet this place seems to be just as much a 108 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 2: part of you as New York Am I right on that. 109 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 4: The reason is and it's and I've always conducted myself 110 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: this way, Brian. To a fault, okay, to a fault, 111 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: and that is that I really believed in my heart 112 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 4: and soul that this was my team. Yeah, I really did. 113 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 4: When mister Weaver gave me the responsibility that he did. 114 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 4: And you remember the story. It's a great story. I'm 115 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: sitting with David Selden and Way Weaver in Providence and 116 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 4: we've been talking for probably two hours, and mister Weaver goes, uh, 117 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: by the way, we'd like to fashion ourselves the way 118 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: they're doing it in Dallas. You want personnel too, don't you. 119 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: I thought, who, Well, you're a poorcels guy, right, Well 120 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: he didn't have it in New York. Yeah, nobody, or 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 4: nobody has it in or because mister Merrow was a 122 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: personnel guy, right. 123 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: The the pride of the Jaguars are the most significant people. 124 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot of other people. So but let me 125 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: let me let me ask you to give me a 126 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: thought on on the people you're joining up on the wall, 127 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: and we'll start with Wayne Delors Weaver and and your 128 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: your thought on them and what they mean to this 129 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: city into this franchise. 130 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 4: Well, if you remember what Wayne said, and not directly 131 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: to me that I can remember, but he'd liked to 132 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 4: be in the super Bowl in five years. Yeah, yeah, 133 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: that's what he said. That's what the man said. And 134 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 4: he went about it, you know, and he was upfront. 135 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: Wayne was an upfront guy with me. Everything was you know, 136 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: like you and I are talking right right now. There 137 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: were some other circumstances that weren't quite that way, but 138 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: Wayne was that way. So you knew when you were 139 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: talking to Wayne and he was asking questions and you know, 140 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: wanted to know about direction. And you know this our drafts. 141 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: You know, all of a sudden, everybody's interested in durt 142 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: and drafts. So uh but you know, the upmust respect 143 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: for a guy that you know didn't exactly come from 144 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 4: great tidings and made himself, you know, as is mister Connor. 145 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: You know, incredible story, incredible stories if you really stop 146 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: and think about it. Only in America, Only in America, America. 147 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 4: But yeah, so that relationship and Dolores was she was 148 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: great to work with. You talk about somebody that was 149 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 4: to the point, you know. 150 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she was the female version of you. 151 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: She was unreal, you get in. 152 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: Her way when she had her mindset on something. 153 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 4: And I really really enjoyed the little times when she 154 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 4: would you know, get friendly, like for example, her her charity. 155 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 4: Remember she had a charity golf, yes she did, and 156 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 4: and and she would have some fun then, you know, 157 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 4: and that was great. 158 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: I enjoyed that a lot. 159 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: So let's go backwards with the players, because we'll end 160 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: with your first ever draft, pick Uh. I love the 161 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: story about how Jimmy Smith arrived in Jacksonville. Pete Carmichael 162 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: met him at the plane, I guess. And there was 163 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: the book that his mom made, the brag book because 164 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: Jimmy's confidence wasn't high. Tell me how you found him 165 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: and when you knew that he was going to be a. 166 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 4: Special Ron Hill was coming off of that one. You know, 167 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 4: Ron was pro personnel and Frank Foley, but the two 168 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: of them, and so you watched the wire. You know 169 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 4: how that works. And first Dallas, then Philly just and 170 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 4: Philly was real quick, a couple, a couple of workouts. 171 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: That's right. 172 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: We haven't got time for this guy. But I will 173 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 4: say this, okay. And I used to gosh, I used 174 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: to have not always fun, but Pete, Pete and I 175 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: would go back and forth. 176 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 3: But it was Pete. 177 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 4: Carmichael, Pete Carmichael when Jimmy would have those days like. 178 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you know, is he going to get it? 179 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 3: Is he? 180 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: You know, you're right, he was, he has his personality 181 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 4: had been beat up. You know, and he didn't know 182 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 4: how good he could be, all right, But when you 183 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: started it coming, it was like Holy smokes, the talent 184 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 4: that the guy had. Remember, But we had to you 185 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 4: had to get Jimmy up to where you know, he 186 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 4: wasn't wagging his tail, and he was he believed in 187 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: himself as a competitor. Pete saw it. Pete saw it. 188 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 4: Probably Round Hill did, although I don't remember talking around 189 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 4: about it, But you know, we had so many personnelity 190 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 4: discussions when I was when I was here, I have 191 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: a lot of fun talking about the first ten. You know, 192 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 4: there were street guys we were having. We're gonna have 193 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: a parade for those guys. Page of the newspaper. 194 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and a couple of guys are still kind of 195 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: hanging around there. 196 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: He's there all the time. But Jimmy, Jimmy was a 197 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 4: great story. And then once Jimmy started rolling, there was 198 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: nobody better than Jimmy. 199 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 2: The three touchdowns three different ways in Denver at the 200 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: end of ninety five, right the blocked punt, the kickoff return, 201 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: the touchdown reception, he was. 202 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 3: Like, okay. 203 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: And then Andre Leaves Andre Rising Leaves in ninety six 204 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: and Jimmy just exploded and at that point became one 205 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: of the best receivers in the game. 206 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 4: So in walks Andre, Okay, yeah, and Andre said to me, 207 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 4: and what he did, he did it without speaking, and 208 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: Andre had his problem. Yeah, he made those guys believe 209 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 4: a little bit in themselves, you know that before they 210 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 4: were and they can get that way the receivers can 211 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 4: get they get pounded and they disappear and all that. 212 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 3: I thought. 213 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 4: He made them realize that they were pretty special. Now 214 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: he unfortunately, you know, we had to part ways, but 215 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: he did it. Jimmy, Jimmy, if you can imagine what 216 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: Jimmy was doing as the third receiver. And then of 217 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: course the year, what was it when he caught one 218 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 4: hundred and twelve and caught ninety eight or ninety. 219 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: Six, unstoppable was totally unstopped. 220 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 4: We prayed, okay, come on, press him, just get up 221 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 4: on him, because if you got on him, there's no way. 222 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 4: He just take you and throw you aside. 223 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: Which leads me to the quarterback. The first time I 224 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: met you, I walked into your office in the trailers 225 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: and there were three tapes on your desk, and it 226 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: took you a little while. 227 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: There were some Peter King. 228 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: You guys are all the same little memory, see what. 229 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: You're looking at? 230 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: And I wasn't. I wasn't even with the organization yet. 231 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: I was still at the radio station and I saw 232 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: the name Mark Brunell, and I didn't know much about 233 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: Mark Brunell, and the Internet wasn't there, so I couldn't 234 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: google him, and all of a sudden, see highlights. So 235 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: I remembered the name. And then you made the trade 236 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: for him the night before the draft. Tell me about 237 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: what you saw on Mark Brunell and what you thought 238 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: you would have in him. 239 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: Feet, yeah, feet, athleticism. You're gonna have a expansion team 240 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: offensive line. Your quarterback has got to be able to move. 241 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: If he can't move to defend himself, a real problem protection. Well, no, 242 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 4: we'll likely have some issues. 243 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: Okay. 244 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 4: So when I went to visit Green Bay, and Andy 245 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: Reid tells his story, he was the quarterback coach. He 246 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 4: sees me watching practice and he tells me now and 247 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: he didn't tell me then, but he said that that 248 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: takes care of Brunell. But but Ron Wolfe, remember Ron, 249 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 4: Ron had the deal in Philadelphia, and something came up, 250 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: and I picked up on it the night before the draft. 251 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: You shouldn't have it to clar you didn't have it 252 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: done until I. 253 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: Pick up the phone. I called Ron. I said, Ron, look, 254 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 4: I know there's a problem with Philadelphia and you, and 255 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 4: it has to do is you know time you you 256 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 4: want to get it done. They want to answer, I'll 257 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: tell you right now. Okay, you and I can get 258 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: this done now, right now. 259 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: And it was for a third at that time. 260 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 4: So Ron says to me after we were wheeling and deis, 261 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 4: can you make me look a little better, you know, 262 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 4: can you give me a fifth or something? I said, okay, 263 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 4: I'll give you a fifth, third and the fifth for Brunell. 264 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 4: All right, now, listen to this in today's game. Okay, 265 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 4: and what you see Burline expansion draft right, Mark Brunell trade. 266 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: The night before the draft. The next day, looking forward 267 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: into the fourth round, I got a call from Minnesota. 268 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 4: They would have given us the rest of the draft 269 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: for Rob Rob Johnson, Rob Johnson. When we when we 270 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 4: when we took Rob, I said, no, we'll take we 271 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: take Robin the top of the fourth. Right, we got 272 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: three guys. We can go play, Yeah, I mean we 273 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: can go play. 274 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: You had a real quarterback room for an expansion team, which. 275 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: Was was right off the bat. 276 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: You know, I want to I want to talk about 277 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: Rob as to the next guy, but I have to 278 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: of all the pieces that you brought, Jimmy, and we're 279 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: gonna talk about Tony Mark. Brunell really opened the door 280 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: for you to become the most successful franchise expansion franchise 281 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: in the history of the league, didn't he because of 282 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: his combination. He led the League of passing in year 283 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: two in nineteen ninety six because you put pieces around him, 284 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: and now he's a quarterbacks coach himself up in Detroit. 285 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: Just can you just give us a sense of that 286 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: of how you got him to that level, because you're 287 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: a quarterback guru. Tell us how he got that together. 288 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: Just time and study and you know, spending time together 289 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: and him buying in completely marked to what he had 290 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: and what his opportunity was. And you know, I didn't 291 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: wait too long before Berlin started the very first game, 292 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 4: recall in the history of the franchise. Wasn't too long 293 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 4: And I made the change for the reason I just 294 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: told you, right, But you had athleticism, you had, you know, 295 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 4: a guy who could pull it down and run. He 296 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: was fast, he was athletic, he had a very strong arm. 297 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: He could make all the throws. I mean, you name it, 298 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: he can make all the throws. And he was a 299 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 4: very good human being, which you know, does it matters 300 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: matter to those around you? 301 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: Because the quarterbacks the leader. You didn't have to be 302 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: a row round guy. 303 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: They're not, right, mart I watched Phil Simms. 304 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: They're not. 305 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 4: They have too much on their plate. They're gonna The 306 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: way they lead is by doing their job to the 307 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 4: best of their ability and hoping, hopefully the rest of 308 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: them figure that out. And that's how they make a 309 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 4: name for themselves. This stuff doesn't do it, okay, And 310 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 4: if you're not there when you're needed, it doesn't happen 311 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 4: for you either. So you can blame all the people 312 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 4: in the world as as an individual, as a player, 313 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 4: but it's right in front of you and you got 314 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 4: to go do it. 315 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: I'm trying to pin down my favorite Mark Renow moment. 316 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: There were some really big ones. The twenty nine yard 317 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: run in Denver on third down. 318 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: Jumped over, yeah, jumped over where he made. 319 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: Bill Romanowski spin around and then Romanowski was the biggest 320 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: badest guy on that defense Foix. Can the Jaguars make 321 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: something happen. 322 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 5: Brunell under center sends Keenan in motion from the near 323 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 5: to the far side. He'll take the snap and drop 324 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 5: back to throw pressure coming. He's jumping out to the 325 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 5: near side, pump backs, it cuts across the fifty, breaks 326 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 5: it tackle at the forty five. 327 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: He's at the forty. 328 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 5: Mark Brunell running to the far side like turch the 329 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 5: corner thirty five, thirty down to the twenty five and 330 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 5: inside move leaping for the twenty one. 331 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: Mark Brunell with a masterful. 332 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 6: Run of twenty nine yards and the clock continues to run. 333 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 6: On the Monday night game in ninety seven, right, you 334 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 6: didn't know whether he was gonna play because of the 335 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 6: preseason knee injury. And I'll never forget the roar of 336 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 6: the crowd when they introduced him. 337 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 5: I hope you can appreciate that through the sound of 338 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 5: your car radio, your scario at home, wherever you may be. 339 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 5: The sevening along our network. Mark Brunell, number eight is 340 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: on the field. The Jaguars are on Monday Night football, 341 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 5: and the energy is unbelievable here at all tells stadium. 342 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: You guys had something special in that offensive room. They 343 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: knew when Mark Brunell was on the field with Jimmy 344 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: and Keenan, that was pre Fred, that that there was 345 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: there was the possibility of something special. 346 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt. 347 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 4: And and it came to fruition because I mean you 348 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: just named four three or four really good people. Yeah, 349 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 4: you know, And I mean it took a bunch of years, 350 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: but Fred the story about me and Indianapolis, you know, 351 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 4: And Fred said, coach, I get it. 352 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it now, Yeah, I get it. That's 353 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: what you do. By the way I hear, you're not 354 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: just I mean, you're judged on what wins and losses, 355 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: but you always took it to the kind of people. 356 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: You wanted to see more from these guys. You wanted 357 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: them to leave here, not just great football players, but 358 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: great men. 359 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. 360 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: And I didn't hear that from a lot of coaches 361 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: in my thirty years. I haven't heard them elaborating. 362 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 4: You want because if there's, if there is, and even 363 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: Kevin Gilbright has I've heard him say, it's a little 364 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 4: different here. You know, it's a little different. It's not 365 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 4: all it's not just exce and O's right, because where 366 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: I come from, I'm a teacher. That's my degrees are there, 367 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: all right. So I'm always interested in, you know, the 368 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 4: whole individual and what he can contribute, not only as 369 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 4: a football player, but as a guy in his team, 370 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 4: a guy working in his franchise. What example does he set? 371 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: Then in his community, then his family, all those things 372 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 4: that's important to me. 373 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: You set a standard and asked people to live to 374 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: the standard. And I think we could go off on 375 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: a long tangent about how society could use more of 376 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: a standard. But I want to talk about Fred. You 377 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 2: mentioned Rob Johnson, who the first pick of Day two 378 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: of the draft, because back then it was a Saturday Sunday. 379 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: I remember walking out that night and asking you, what 380 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: are you gonna do with the first pick of the 381 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: fourth round? You're gonna trade it? And you just smiled 382 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: and looked at me like I know what I'm gonna do, 383 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna tell you. And it became Rob Johnson, 384 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: who became Fred Taylor. Because Rob started one game opening 385 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: Day in Baltimore nineteen ninety seven, had the high ankle spring, 386 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: we didn't see him again. 387 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: All he would do he would somehow get to the sideline. Yeah, 388 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 4: that's it. You're not going in again. And I would 389 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: turn to the field and we'd be He'd be in 390 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: my ear. 391 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: Rob was Rob. He wanted to go back. 392 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 3: Out and play. He went out and it was. 393 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: Just amazing game for him too, by the way, incredible, incredible. 394 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: Do we win? 395 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we win the game opening day, August thirtieth, nineteen 396 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: ninety seven. Never forget that game for a lot of reasons. 397 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: But it became Fred. And we were sitting in what 398 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: was the radio studio, and I was getting ready to 399 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: do a show, and you walked by. You had just 400 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 2: been in Gainesville, and I said, how is Fred? And 401 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: you stopped and you went four two and you kept 402 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: on walking. And I'll never forget you just went four 403 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: two Because he ran a four two forty that day. 404 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: Tell me what you six. 405 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 4: On the practice field, not the game field. The game 406 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 4: field is the fastest field I've ever been on. Okay, 407 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 4: if I was gonna run, I'm not running until we 408 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 4: go on that field. 409 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 3: Right, this is Steve Spurriers. Maybe we'll cut the grass, maybe. 410 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 4: We won't practice field, right, and we all know they 411 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 4: get beat up. He runs a forty. We argue about 412 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 4: what he ran, but he always corrects me, you know. 413 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: But six thirty six and run and the minute James 414 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: Stewart goes down. In Week two against the Baltimore Ravens, 415 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: here Fred runs out and I remember saying, here's the 416 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 2: rookie from Florida. And he took a handoff and went 417 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: fifty two yards for touchdown. Brunell surveys the four to 418 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: three defense of the Ravens, takes the snap toss sweep left. 419 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: There goes Fred Taylor. He's across the fifty, coming back 420 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: breaking tackles forty five. There go Taylor forty. He's free 421 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: at the thirty. He's at the twenty. Fret Taylor ten 422 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: five touchdown. 423 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 5: Jacksonville fifty two yards and Fret Taylor makes a statement 424 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 5: in his first. 425 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: Major run and that led to a season as good 426 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: as Randy Moss, who was the Rookie of the year. 427 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: Seventeen touchdowns, some of the most dramatic, some of the 428 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 2: most memorable plays in Jaguars history. 429 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: Incredible. 430 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 2: You saw that in him early on. 431 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: I did, and I you know the way this thing works, right. 432 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 4: Fred's coming of age, if you will, at Florida was 433 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 4: in like the last four games of his senior year 434 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 4: right all the time, what a four or five games 435 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 4: they were, And that's where the attraction to me was. 436 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 4: And you know, I have to get him over here. 437 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 4: And he was sitting in my office. I'm trying to 438 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 4: figure out what kind of what kind of guy he is, 439 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 4: and so on and so forth, And in truth, he 440 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: wasn't quite ready for this, for this thing when he came. 441 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 2: He was so the motorcycle and the gold teeth and. 442 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 4: We have. 443 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: We're going to work against. 444 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 4: I think it's New Orleans was the very first drill 445 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 4: is nine on seven. And of course they're all cranked. 446 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 4: And no matter how you how you how you do it, 447 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: how you stage it, there's always one more guy that's 448 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 4: not black. You know, that's defensive people. Well, we go 449 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 4: to build blue, so they got the safety down there too, 450 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 4: and it is hot, I mean it's they're bay and 451 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 4: then there and Fred is like, WHOA, what is this 452 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 4: all about? And then that great story about when we're 453 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 4: when when I see him in the elevator and he 454 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 4: tells me he loves me. I never I never heard 455 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: him say that. 456 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: That was at the combine and Andy a couple of 457 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: years ago was. 458 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 4: How I'm supposed to react to this. And he gets 459 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 4: and he said, Coach, I gotta go, I gotta speak 460 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 4: to a running back group, and I gotta get ready 461 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 4: and get my stuff up. 462 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 3: Say yes, brother with them. 463 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 4: They jump in the elevator and he said, and I 464 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 4: do love you, but you were trying to kill me. 465 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, a lot of those guys thought that at 466 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: the time, but now now they appreciate the standard and 467 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: and and we will talk about that, but we got 468 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: to talk about Tony because the stories that you tell 469 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 2: about Tony are the ones that you have the second 470 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: pick in nineteen ninety five and you're gonna make the 471 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: first pick in franchise history. That was a talented group. 472 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: There were some really good players at the top of 473 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: that drafts. There were what did you see in Tony? 474 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: And it was more than just football with Tony, wasn't it? 475 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 4: Well it was, but I'm telling you right now. You 476 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 4: know he did things on tape that were unreal. If 477 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: you remember, he used to he'd get a guy and 478 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 4: he'd take him like ten yards downfield and then he 479 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: would plan them he'd drop him and he was doing that. 480 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I'd see that maybe once a game on 481 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 4: this guy. But his feet were amazing. He had great size, 482 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 4: big long arms, you know, the whole, the whole deal. 483 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 4: Went out to work him out, you know that story. 484 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 4: There's four or five offensive line coaches there. Mike masers 485 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 4: with me, and he brings out this kid's playing guard 486 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 4: next to him. So there's two of them to work out, 487 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 4: which was fine. We were okay with that, and but 488 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 4: we get there and he go he is six seven 489 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 4: three twenty seven. We go on the field and it's 490 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: like watching a dancing bear, you know. And Jim Hannafan 491 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 4: looks at me after he said, coach, what do you 492 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 4: think you're gonna do with your second pick? 493 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: Probably receiver? 494 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, you're gonna take a receiver, all right, 495 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 4: But it was the workout was great, and then of 496 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 4: course we had dinner that night with Angie. 497 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: And that did it. 498 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 4: That's what I tell That's what I tell Tony. I said, well, 499 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 4: we decided we'd take you because you know, we had 500 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 4: dinner with Angie. 501 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: How satisfying is it to you that you make your 502 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: first pick in nineteen ninety five and in twenty twenty 503 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: two that pick Tony Boselli becomes the franchise's first hall. 504 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: About that, Listen, I burst with pride. I can only 505 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: imagine what it was like for you to learn that 506 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: he was going in the hall of that. 507 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 4: It was so special because you know, and listen, we 508 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 4: go through life and we don't have it, you know, 509 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 4: ups and downs and you know how it works. And 510 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 4: the poor guy, I'm the one because we're in big 511 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: cat problems. I got to walk down the street, knock 512 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 4: on Tony's door and sit out there on the stoop 513 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 4: with him and tell him that, you know, I've got 514 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 4: a trade you. I've got to try to you know, 515 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 4: here's the guy with the first pick in the in 516 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: the franchise history. 517 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: And it was the heartbeat of the franchise. 518 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we had we had to do it. I had. 519 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 3: I had to do it with Keenan. 520 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 2: You couldn't fielded a team the way that the cap 521 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: worked back then. 522 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 4: Well, we wouldn't have had fifty three. We'd have played 523 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 4: with about forty seven. 524 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: Right now, How interesting is it then, ironic? If that's 525 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 2: the way life works, that you had to walk down 526 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: and knock on his door and then he came and 527 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: knocked on your door to tell you were going into 528 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: the crime of the Jaguars. That's I thought about that 529 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: as I left your home the other day, and I thought, wow, 530 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: what what a turn of events, the way that God 531 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: plans things. Yeah, and Bisselli tells anyone who will listen 532 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: that you're next to go into the Hall of Fame. 533 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: He was the one who complained about you. 534 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 4: Oh. 535 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 2: He tells a story about about Angie and about how 536 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: Angie said, don't you dare complain about that man? Right, 537 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: He's the nicest man I know. And he's like that 538 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: almost started a divorce and we've just been married a year. 539 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: He loves to tell that story. The bond I mean 540 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: as men, as friends, which is what you've become. But 541 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: just to have that that sort of a relationship, not 542 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 2: not everyone gets that, not every coach, not every player 543 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 2: gets that. 544 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 3: Coach, No, no, they don't. 545 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 4: And uh, you know, I mean you talk about pride. 546 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 4: I'm so extremely proud of this guy. You know what 547 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: he's done his family, you know what he's done in 548 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 4: the community, and the fact that, I guess one of 549 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 4: the biggest things for me, and just reiterated by Mark Brunell. 550 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: I was up there watching Detroit work against the Giants, 551 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 4: and I said, Mark, you're still living in We'll never 552 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 4: We'll never leave Jacksonville. The fact that these guys make 553 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 4: this their home says a lot about this community too. 554 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 4: And Tony who was in Houston, and Tom took him 555 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: because he wanted Tony to help him build a football team, 556 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 4: build the coach, build the winning culture in Houston. And 557 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: but when when Tony's playing days were over, where is 558 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 4: he right back here? 559 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: Tell me and they're gonna come listen. Talking is never 560 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: our problem. Stopping will be. Tell me what it will 561 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: mean to you because you're this franchise is still so 562 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: important to you. When this franchise finally turns this thing 563 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 2: into a championship, when they finally have a Lombardi Trophy here, 564 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 2: what will that mean to you? Is the founder of 565 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: this franchise? 566 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 4: Well that that that to me is what every fan 567 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 4: and you know, I want to say something about the fans. 568 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 4: Jaguar fans are tough. They're tough, they're resilient, you know, 569 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: and you gotta be that way. You got it. You 570 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 4: got to be that way. And you can never lose hope. 571 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 4: You never lose hope. But the goal is obviously to 572 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 4: get that Lombardi Trophy. That's what every franchise when when 573 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 4: the gun goes off, thirty two of them are in 574 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 4: that race to get that trophy. And when it does happen, 575 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: and it will happen, okay, then we'll all take great pride. 576 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 4: And I don't know if I can be any more 577 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 4: proud of it because because again we started this thing 578 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 4: with Look, nobody cares who gets the credit. Let's get 579 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 4: it right. Let's just get it right. But let's have 580 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 4: the standards so high that we're not willing to accept 581 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 4: those that you know you miss on players. 582 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: Sure it just happens, right. 583 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: Ron Wolf told me one time, if you're bat two fifty, 584 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 4: you're doing okay. But if you can, you know, if 585 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 4: you can believe, and if you can, you know, go 586 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 4: and get that trophy. That trophy really would stand up 587 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 4: for all the years and all the battles and all 588 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 4: we had to sacrifice to get there. 589 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: Just the final thought, you're going to stand out on 590 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: that field and wear a teal coat and see your 591 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: name and hear the roar of the crowd. Will it 592 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: feel full circle to you at that point? Will it feel? 593 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: Will it? I'm not because it's not close the book. 594 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: The book will always be open. But to feel like 595 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: what you started and it's in a good place, coach. 596 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you got a brand new stadium, the Miller 597 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: Electric Centers. There's mister cons got it in a pretty 598 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: good place where this franchise feels secure, which you didn't 599 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: always feel, you know, there were times where it didn't 600 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: feel that way. Will it feel to you like you've. 601 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 4: I hope I've helped to create that feeling, Oh that 602 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 4: this is home. This is what we're all about, you know. 603 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: But but remember Brian that my name might be up there, 604 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 4: but that represents all the people who rolled up their 605 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 4: sleeves and you remember me. We're playing volleyball over at 606 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 4: the YMCA, you know, as a team building thing, you know. 607 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 4: And I used to look at Selden like what we're 608 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: gonna what you want to do? What? And but you 609 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 4: know what, we were a tight group. We were a 610 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: tight group and when we won, everybody won. Yes, that 611 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: was the thrill. The thrill was to look at the 612 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 4: young people that we had around with a big smile 613 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: on their face. After Denver, after Buffalo, what is that 614 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 4: all about? 615 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: You know? 616 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 4: And so yeah, yeah, what it will mean is that 617 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 4: I don't know what full circle means, but I do 618 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 4: know that everybody that had a part in that beginning 619 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 4: can be very proud because we're up there just like 620 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 4: we were in the very beginning. But we're making a statement, okay, 621 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 4: in addition to that, that we believe and we want 622 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 4: this franchise to succeed. 623 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: I've always said that, Yeah, you're a big fan of 624 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: the franchise, You always will be. 625 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 4: Always want the best for this franchise, and I want 626 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 4: them to succeed. 627 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: And I speak on behalf of them, all of the 628 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: people who work here. Then, a lot of my colleagues 629 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: that were in the broadcast department that knew that I 630 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: was going to sit down with you, They a lot 631 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: of the former players. When you wear that jacket and 632 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: when you stand out there on that field, we're so 633 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: proud of you and the places that you took us 634 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: and the journey that we went on with you will 635 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: forever be written into our lives and the lives of 636 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: all the people that witnessed it with you. 637 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 3: So thank you, Thank you, Brian