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Speaker 1: Good mornings, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by Fan Duel. It's Wednesday, July first, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: five star ratings and reviews. On today's show, the NBA

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Speaker 1: Cup groups have been announced. Yes, the weirdest timing ever

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Speaker 1: with these, but we'll get into them. We'll play a

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Speaker 1: little is this news as well? But first we got

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Speaker 1: more NBA free agency moves to address here. Since we

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Speaker 1: logged off from our special last night, a number of

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Speaker 1: things have happened in no particular order. Okay, I want

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Speaker 1: to hit you with a few. And then we got

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Speaker 1: some free agency questions to address. Norman Powell Storm and

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Speaker 1: Norman go into your Chicago bulls tray. That's right, two years,

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Speaker 1: forty five million dollar deal. Zach Collins also agreeing to

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Speaker 1: a two year seventeen million dollar contract extension with Chicago.

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Speaker 1: John Collins the Baptist. He agreed to a three year

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Speaker 1: fifty one million dollar deal with the Pistons.

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Speaker 2: Don't like that one.

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Speaker 1: We got Marcus Smart agreeing to a two year thirteen

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Speaker 1: million dollar deal with the Rockets. Bogdan Bogdanovich is going

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Speaker 1: to also join him there in Houston on a one

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Speaker 1: year deal. Dean Wade he agreed to a four year

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Speaker 1: thirty nine million dollar deal with the Sixers, and we

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Speaker 1: just learned Ariel hock Party will join him on a

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Speaker 1: one year, three point four million dollar deal in Philly.

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Speaker 1: What else? Kean Ellis going to the Nets two years

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Speaker 1: eighteen million funny deal that we'll get into it. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Luke Kennard going to the Suns two year thirteen million,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Carlson going to the Blazers on a cheap deal.

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Speaker 1: Kobe Sanders agreeing to a four year, eleven point two

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Speaker 1: million dollar deal with the Clippers. I think that's about it.

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Speaker 3: I saw Brandon Carlson. So we're pretty deep here. There

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Speaker 3: was a lot of.

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Speaker 1: White guys getting paid. Last night we had like a

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Speaker 1: white guy run. It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: They knew it was Canada Day coming up.

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Speaker 1: So I want you to tell me from all of those,

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Speaker 1: what's the most interesting signing again since we logged off

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Speaker 1: of our NBA free agency special.

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Speaker 2: I'll start with John Collins going to the Detroit Pistons,

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Speaker 2: because this means he's their starting power forward, as Sham's reported,

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Speaker 2: taking the role of Tobias Harris, who was their second

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Speaker 2: best scorer in the playoffs. They needed him, They needed

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Speaker 2: Tobias in the mid range. Just give it to him

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Speaker 2: and score. John Collins is not a score, of course,

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Speaker 2: he's a really good rim runner. But I do find

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Speaker 2: this odd and I find this not positive for the

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Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons. Again, they need a second score. And so

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Speaker 2: you can look at John Collins number and say, oh,

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Speaker 2: he shoots the three, but really he's a corner three shooter.

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Speaker 2: About two thirds of his threes come from the corners.

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Speaker 2: And when you saw the Pistons play, they needed to

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Speaker 2: space it out and so they gave it to Tobias above

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Speaker 2: the break for a threes that didn't always work out.

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Speaker 2: It's not really going to work out with John Collins.

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Speaker 2: They need more space down there. You look at this team, now,

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Speaker 2: what are they They don't have their two centers currently.

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Speaker 2: They traded away Isaiah Stewart, who's kind of their heart

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Speaker 2: and soul. They don't know what's going on with Jalen Duran.

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Speaker 2: Really their team is Kid, then Duncan Robinson beside him.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to bring us our Thompson back

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Speaker 2: on a new deal, and then John Collins. And who's

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Speaker 2: their center? I mean, they got totally Smith coming back.

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Speaker 2: And then their bench is Carroslvert, Dannis Jenkins, Kevin Hurder,

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Speaker 2: Paul Reid. So I think this is bad news for

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Speaker 2: the Detroit Pistons, good news for John Collins getting a

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Speaker 2: big contract. Good news probably for the Toronto Raptors who

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Speaker 2: are looking up at the Eastern Conference standings and seeing

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Speaker 2: the sixty win team looked totally different than last year

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Speaker 2: in the Detroit Pistons don't like it? Oh really for

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Speaker 2: spacing out there a lot on Kid's shoulders.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I'm with you. I actually like the fit,

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Speaker 3: okay with John Collins, Like you're saying he can make

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Speaker 3: a wide open three, he can play small ball five

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Speaker 3: and rim run if they need. But the lack of

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Speaker 3: self creation compared to Tobias Harris is an absolute downgrade

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Speaker 3: for Detroit, And like Tobias Harris, isn't that greatest shakes.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about a guy who's never been an All

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Speaker 3: Star getting replaced by another guy who's never been an

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Speaker 3: All Star, never will be an All Star. So I

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Speaker 3: think that the Pistons have just kind of moved sideways

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Speaker 3: so far. Yeah, I mean, there were the one seed

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Speaker 3: last year. They did win a playoff series for the

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Speaker 3: first time in more than a decade, so you're still

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Speaker 3: at least on the right trajectory. But this seemed like

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Speaker 3: a season or the way the playoffs went, we all

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Speaker 3: talked at the trade deadline like you didn't make a move, Fine,

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Speaker 3: you figured out what you needed after losing in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: And thus far they haven't addressed it at all, and

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Speaker 3: at the very least, it feels like a lateral move

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Speaker 3: to me. So I thought John Collins was going to

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Speaker 3: be in demand this offseason because there are a bunch

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Speaker 3: of teams that need a like Detroit obviously did. But

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Speaker 3: the Lakers could have used John Collins, the Spurs, the Timberwolves,

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of teams out there. I guess

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Speaker 3: this is the best he could do. Seventeen million dollars

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Speaker 3: average annual value, which is pretty solid for a guy

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Speaker 3: that's still somehow not even thirty years old. Like we've

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Speaker 3: talked about John Collins every transaction period for at least

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Speaker 3: six seasons straight. Yeah, and he's not even thirty yet.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me. But this is just

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Speaker 3: kind of a sideways move and a little disappointing for Detroit.

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Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, still big TVD on the jail enduring

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Speaker 1: contract and whether you know they're gonna be matching what

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Speaker 1: that looks like. But I'm looking ahead here, either too

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Speaker 1: Fridays Drop podcast or next week when everybody starts doing

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Speaker 1: winners and losers from free agency or grades for all

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Speaker 1: the teams in free agency. It's not looking good for

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Speaker 1: the Pistons right now. They're gonna be on a lot

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Speaker 1: of losers list. They're gonna get a lot of C

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Speaker 1: minuses in DEDs as currently constructed to get waiting on Durham.

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Speaker 1: But this, I'm with you, guys. He's just not another

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Speaker 1: creator really, I mean, yeah, he can hit us three,

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Speaker 1: but and maybe the rim run. But they need more

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Speaker 1: than that what we saw in the playoffs. They need

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Speaker 1: way more alongside Kayan Countyham and so far not great here.

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Speaker 2: Even if they resigned Duran, it's a step back. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Tobias Harris is a better score as a secondary option.

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Speaker 2: And so yes, no matter what happens, even getting as

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Speaker 2: I mentioned, getting rid of Isaiah Stewart, maybe that move

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Speaker 2: other huge name, but that has not happened. And so yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is this is negative for the Pistons overall.

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Speaker 1: All right, what else was interesting to you? Do you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about your.

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Speaker 3: Chicago bull About the Bulls. Yeah, the only team that's

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Speaker 3: going to sign an all star very free agency.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, that is true, actually true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Norm Powell the.

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Speaker 2: Best player that's going to change going to sign Lebron.

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Speaker 3: Via free agency. Somebody is going to sign I forgot

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Speaker 3: about that. But he's not signed yet.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll go to the Bulls down, maybe he will.

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Speaker 3: The Bulls needed three point shooting, they needed veteranship. Norm

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Speaker 3: Powell apparently has to play for a team that whereas

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Speaker 3: Red and Black, he will now chuck off all four

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Speaker 3: in the NBA Toronto, Portland, Miami, Chicago. That's all red

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Speaker 3: and black teams right now. Well done, Norm, Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: never has to change his shoe color ever. Just send

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Speaker 3: him all down from the Raptors days and look, he

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Speaker 3: fills a hole for the team. They gave him the

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Speaker 3: Bruce Brown balloon payment with a one plus one so

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Speaker 3: they maintain flexibility going into next offseason. Not to mention

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Speaker 3: it the trade deadline if somebody's interested in Norm Powell,

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Speaker 3: Who's not going to be a long term piece for

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Speaker 3: this Bulls team at thirty three years old. So I

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Speaker 3: think the Bulls are doing a weird job. Like I

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Speaker 3: wasn't super impressed with bringing back Zach Collins, but he's

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Speaker 3: a tradable salary as well. He's on this same one

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Speaker 3: plus one deal that Norman Powell is. And I think

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Speaker 3: the Bulls are looking good to be one of the

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Speaker 3: worst teams in the league while not being the absolute

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Speaker 3: worst team in the league. And that's where you want

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Speaker 3: to be. You want to be the fifth worst team

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Speaker 3: in the league. I think the Bulls could definitely do

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Speaker 3: that as a fun fast, bad team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you hope for that and then hope you

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Speaker 2: get the number one pick because of that. The Bruce

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Speaker 2: in twenty three is the perfect comparison. It's the exact

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Speaker 2: same money, two years and forty five million dollars, and

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Speaker 2: I think the Bulls are expecting and hoping for the

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Speaker 2: exact same thing. Bruce Brown was traded that season in

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Speaker 2: part for Pascal Siakam to the Pacer or to the Raptors.

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Speaker 2: It was Bruce Brown and picks, and I'm sure the

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Speaker 2: Bulls are going to try and sweeten the pot with

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Speaker 2: some picks to get another star like Pascal Siakim wants

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Speaker 2: to come back. That's exactly what this this move is for.

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Speaker 3: Well, I help they don't. I hope they don't trade

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Speaker 3: picks along Norm Powell. They're not close. I mean, we'll

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Speaker 3: see what the player would be. But unless it's like

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Speaker 3: Aunt deciding who wants out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is bringing This is bringing a pro here

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Speaker 1: to you know, who's obviously well established and has blossomed

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Speaker 1: out the young guys and to see who is the

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Speaker 1: building blocks of the future here because their lineup and

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Speaker 1: their depth chart. It is Josh Giddy, it's Norman Powell,

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Speaker 1: it's Bouzellis, Caleb Wilson, obviously they're high draft pick here,

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Speaker 1: Nick Claxton, who they acquired here over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. And then my guy, Leonard Miller of course

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Speaker 1: on the bench. Patrick Williams is still there. Their other

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Speaker 1: pick and swayin, I guess it's a Jalen Smith. How

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Speaker 1: do you look.

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Speaker 3: The same? I like I saw. I saw him from

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Speaker 3: a distance. I said, oh, that's an NBA player, and

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Speaker 3: then I saw his glasses and I got a little closer.

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Speaker 3: I said, A definitely Jones. I guess he's gonna come.

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Speaker 1: Back, Okay, yeah, uh and then uh, well, anthrety Simon's right,

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Speaker 1: I guess he is still on the well, not technically

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Speaker 1: still in the chruggle Bulls, but they could. They will

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Speaker 1: a bad team, like not a great team in the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference, but again, they had the space. This is

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Speaker 1: not a long term deal. He's going to obviously score

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Speaker 1: twenty plus points per game. I wouldn't see why you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do it here on this team. You know, they

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Speaker 1: needed a guard that could score alongside some of these

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Speaker 1: guys because they're they're they're guys that are hoping that

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Speaker 1: pop offer forwards here in bozellis growing. And then then

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Speaker 1: of Caleb Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little surprising he doesn't go back to

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Speaker 2: Miami because they're shallow and they could use his scoring.

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Speaker 1: They just didn't have the money.

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Speaker 1: Again, we talked about that on last night's show. It's

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Speaker 2: You know, he'll be replaced by Tim Hardaway, who they

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Speaker 1: Dad said, he's not wearing his jersey.

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Speaker 3: It is crazy, though, because Tim Hardaway Senior played for

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I guess that's the reason I can

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Speaker 1: What about any of these other moves that interest you either.

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Speaker 3: we know Fred's coming back, Red should still be somewhat

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Speaker 3: They're gonna lose Lebron, They're probably gonna lose Ruey Hachimura.

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Speaker 3: They have been linked to Mamu, Kelly Ubray, Quentin Grimes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Quentin Grimes is hot on the rumors from Mark

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Speaker 1: This is a good thing for the Rockets. The contract

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Speaker 1: Just a funny deal contract situation, two years, eighteen million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Like whoever claims it first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, he gets an opportunity here. You love

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Speaker 3: Was going to be on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 4: He didn't announce his contract, but what he announced was

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Speaker 2: He said he didn't take it, and now he's going

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Speaker 2: like to He said, I'm negotiating now for double. That

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Speaker 2: So so fun. I think yesterday we announced Robert Williams

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Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, you'll love Tom Dundon.

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Speaker 2: I love talking about him. You talk about him all

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Speaker 2: it's a surprise. But year two not guaranteed. Five million

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Speaker 3: They gave him, Mike and Norri, we got you for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not guaranteed. My friend. So Jake Fisher shout out

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Speaker 3: About Dunnan is going to love that key On Ellis contract.

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Speaker 3: He's like, look at all the ways you can get

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Speaker 2: The Dean Wade one sounds like a lot, right, four

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Speaker 2: and it looks like Quentin Grimes could be going to

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Speaker 3: Kelly Ubrace older than Dean Waight.

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Speaker 3: I would rather have.

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Speaker 2: Dean Wade is he steadier, Like you know he's going

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Speaker 1: Well, but he's actually been not bad. Yeah, last little

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Speaker 2: I think later in his career. Higher ceiling. I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the MBID one. As we talk about the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and nobody's gonna get money from somewhere.

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Speaker 1: big what to do? Baby, Let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about this.

433
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Speaker 3: Uh.

434
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Speaker 1: We now have all the details about yesterday's fun guy trade, right,

435
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 1: the Clippers traded all NBA forward Kawhi Leonard to the

436
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 1: Raptors for brandon Ingram Grady Dick, and then we have

437
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 1: the specifics when it comes to the picks. Two unprotected

438
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 1: first round picks in twenty thirty one and thirty three,

439
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 1: so future unprotected first round picks, a twenty seven first

440
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 1: round swap, and then two second round picks also sort

441
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 1: of down the line.

442
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 2: Task.

443
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Speaker 1: Has this changed your opinion at all about the Kawhi trade,

444
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: because I think you were thinking a lot of people

445
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,199
Speaker 1: were maybe thinking they were more immediate draft picks, but

446
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 1: instead I think good job by the Clippers here to

447
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 1: push them way down the line.

448
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 2: Absolutely good job by the Clippers. I was wrong. I

449
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 2: thought they'd be coming up very very soon. Thought they'd

450
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 2: be at twenty seven and twenty nine. Although you know,

451
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: along with a thirty one and thirty three, it's cauld

452
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 2: move for the Clippers. Maybe they'll be bad by then.

453
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 2: Kawai probably won't be playing by then. But the twenty

454
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: seven pick swap, yeah, you're not using that. The Raptors

455
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: aren't gonna have a worse record than the Los Angeles

456
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 2: Clippers this next year, come on. But either way, I

457
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 2: don't think it changes anything. You know what changes things

458
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 2: is that there was a video unearthed of Scotty Barnes

459
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 2: when he was in high school. He was asked, Hey, Scottie,

460
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: if you had to pick one NBA player that you

461
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: could be the teammate or be a teammate with, who

462
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: would it be and why? And he said in high school,

463
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: he said, Kawhi Leonard, so we could play defense together

464
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: so long ago. Now they're going to be playing defense together.

465
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Speaker 2: I don't care about these draft picks. I just care

466
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 2: about these two guys playing hard.

467
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Speaker 3: Famous last words.

468
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: That was on Earth from your boy, Brian, our boy

469
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 2: Brian and.

470
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Speaker 3: He immediately cut to another high school clip of a

471
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Speaker 3: different player.

472
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty cool. You get a guy talking

473
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Speaker 2: about Kawhi Leonard and then he ends up being his teammate.

474
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Speaker 3: It just means Kawi Leonard was really good and when Scotty, yeah,

475
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 3: he's been in the NBA for years. At this point,

476
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 3: this is risky for the Raptors. The unprotected picks literally

477
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 3: change everything here. Kawhi will be gone by the time

478
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Speaker 3: thirty one and thirty three come around. You also have

479
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 3: to pay him this gigantic extension. If this I wasn't

480
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 3: a franchise hero, people would be like, you traded two

481
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: unprotected picks and you're gonna pay a thirty five year old.

482
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 3: It would be looked back as a crazy move. Scotty,

483
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 3: you also have to add him will be thirty years

484
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: old by the time twenty thirty one comes around. So

485
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: to me, this is like potential expiration date for the

486
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: Scotty Barnes era in Toronto. Still, I think it's worth it.

487
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: They had zero championship window as constructed. Now they got

488
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 3: a tiny, little one and the East sends a different

489
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: team to the finals every single year, So I think

490
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Speaker 3: this is still a worthy gamble for the Raptors, but

491
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 3: it became a lot riskier once they said it's going

492
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Speaker 3: to be far away picks that are unprotected.

493
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Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Look, okay, the Raptors stopped

494
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Speaker 1: trading away first round picks for just above average or

495
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: average players, which they've done a lot over the last

496
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Speaker 1: couple of years. Perl comes to mind, brandon Ingram, of course,

497
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: Daddius Young, Kelly olynyk A Baji. They actually cashed in

498
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: some of these first round picks for elite talent. Now

499
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: he's older. There's the injury risk and all that with

500
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Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, but when he played last year, he's like,

501
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Speaker 1: I don't know where you put him. Probably he looked

502
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: like a top five player for a stretch, but more

503
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: likely like a top ten as he finished second all MBA.

504
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: The Raptors had seven of their first round picks right,

505
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: and now they have well basically half, with three sort

506
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: of going out at least control of first round picks.

507
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: It's a gamble man, and they're gonna pay him, and

508
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: that's a huge part of the reason he's even there,

509
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: because he's like, I'll go there, I'll sign there. Weird

510
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: why didn't you stick around when we won the championship?

511
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: But okay, you wanted to go to LA But he's

512
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: back seven or eight years later, and he's going to

513
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: get one hundred and twenty million dollars after the fifty

514
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: million dollars deal. He'll play on next year. But it's

515
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: it's like, I think you're right. Trade just gives you

516
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: the smallest chance to actually win playoff series and maybe

517
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: flirt with a conference finals finals championship. It's small, but

518
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: you had no chance without him. And yeah, also probably

519
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: one of those picks was getting off of brandon Ingram's deal. Absolutely,

520
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: So if you look at it that way, then it's

521
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: a little more manageable or easier to stomach. I guess

522
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 1: if you're a Raps fan.

523
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't in the postseason. We've seen him brandon

524
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: Ingram in the playoffs before he gets bodied, and he's

525
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 2: just not the same player as good as he was

526
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: in the regular season. He wasn't in the postseason. And

527
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: he's a guy who played seventy seven games last year.

528
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: Maybe Kawhi will hook up with Alex mckeckne again and

529
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: play a lot of games. I mean, Brandon Ingram playing

530
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Speaker 2: seventy seven games. He hadn't played more than sixty four

531
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: in the eight seasons before that, so things were going well.

532
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: Things were going well for Emmanuel quickly until the playoffs.

533
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see how much pressure that takes

534
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: off Emmanuel quickly and RJ. Barrett just having Kawhi Leonard

535
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: out there to see how they fly around him, because

536
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 2: you know, we all worry that maybe they're too much

537
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: of a mid range team. But Kawhi solves all that.

538
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: He picked the Raptors. He picked us. Somebody else would

539
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: have given him money. The Pistons probably would have given

540
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: him a couple of years. Look at them now. I

541
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Speaker 2: would rather look at this Raptors team right now. Obviously

542
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: you gotta think are they going to be healthy? Then

543
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: the Detroit is right now.

544
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: He definitely picked the Raptors by all reporting, because I

545
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: think Piston's interested enough, maybe the Timberwolves interested enough. And

546
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: again Reporting says He's like, well, I'm not signing a

547
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: contract extension there. I actually want to go to Toronto and

548
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: from Again, by the way, Sean's is saying it retire

549
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: as a Toronto Raptor like sort of play out. These

550
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: final three years. I guess let's call it as he

551
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: gets up into thirty seven and thirty years old. Over

552
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: the past four seasons, Quies played in fifty two, sixty eight,

553
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: thirty seven and sixty five games. He's played in approximately

554
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: two thirds of the Clippers games here, and he missed

555
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: numerous playoffs.

556
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: Hasn't won a series because twenty one exactly.

557
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: So that's the risk here that, especially as he gets older,

558
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: that the injury history catches up to him. But you know,

559
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: they're just rolling the dice. How's it much different than now,

560
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: I know he's older, but hear me out. All these

561
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: other big trades that have happened over the last couple

562
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: of weeks are guys that have been injured, and there's

563
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: a huge part of the equation of why they're being moved,

564
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: the honest, the lame, the jahn morant. Now add Kawhi here,

565
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: it's like these are why these superstars are being moved

566
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: because teams get a little bit tired of like, we

567
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: can't depend on you, so let's switch it up here.

568
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: And then the team says, Okay, well we'll take the risk.

569
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: It's just a risk, but it's a fun ass risk

570
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: because guess what. The Raptors are relevant again, that's the

571
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: biggest thing they are. Yeah, they weren't for a long time.

572
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: When Kawhi left, they sort over. Nobody talked about him

573
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: down here.

574
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And I think in part he picks

575
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: Scottie Barnes being beside him. He knows that Scottie Barnes

576
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: is going to play in every single playoff game. And

577
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: in part why he didn't have success in the playoffs

578
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: for our years, as you said, since twenty one, was

579
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: because other guys are injured too. Paul George was injured.

580
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: And so I think he looks at Scotty Barnes and

581
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: he knows that he's going to be playing every single game.

582
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: Will Scottie Barnes still be playing in twenty thirty one

583
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: when that first round pick comes around. That's year ten

584
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: for Scottie Barnes in his career. Man, it feels like

585
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: that's a long career that we're talking about ten years.

586
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: Nothing I do well. So that's why I think the

587
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: thirty one and thirty three pick are fine.

588
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but to me, to me, this means the Raptors

589
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: adding Kawhi now have a three year window next season.

590
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: The two seasons. They're going to pay him for the

591
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 3: extension to make the conference finals and honestly, to make

592
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 3: the finals, like that's going to be the ceiling and

593
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: the goal for this team. Unfortunately for them, the unprotected

594
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: picks come after the three year window.

595
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

596
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the counter to that is, I mean, it's

597
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: almost like doubling down on this risk because they still

598
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: have draft capital, immediate draft capital ye to use to

599
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: make the team better around Kawhi, Scottie and whoever's there.

600
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: So I mean that's probably what they'll do, right, whether

601
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: it's upgrade the center position, whether it's a point guard,

602
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: like I assume, I would think there'll be one more

603
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: big ish move here. If you're really going all in,

604
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: you're pushing the chips all in, yeah, which it feels

605
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: like they're doing here when you make this move.

606
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: When they traded for Kawhi and eighteen, it was that

607
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: season that they were able to trade for Mark Gasol.

608
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: Months later they were able to get a center.

609
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Instrumental in the championship of course. Yeah.

610
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot of vets on that team

611
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: that they don't have right now.

612
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: And we talked about it yesterday and you can go check

613
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: our you know again, our special out when the news broke.

614
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: But this was a really good defensive team last year,

615
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: fifth in the league, behind the two top two regular

616
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: season teams in both conferences. It's okay, see Detroit, San

617
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Antonio and Boston. Those were your defensive teams. Raptors were fifth.

618
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: So that's not nothing here. And you add Kawai. Now,

619
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: Kawhi is not the lock down, scary ass defender he

620
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: was in his prime, but he's still eighty percent Kahir

621
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: or thirty five year old Kwai is still better than

622
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, a lot of guys, definitely better than

623
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram and better than a lot of guys still

624
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: in this league. And now you put him in this

625
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: great defensive unit here, and he's the go to scorer,

626
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: which they desperately need in half court sets when you

627
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. So maybe it works out. I

628
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: can't believe he's back, Still can't. Still seems fake to me. Nostalgia, baby, Yes,

629
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Speaker 1: this is this is partially a nostalgia move, I believe. Okay,

630
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: Well let me read it. Let me read this from

631
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: Kelly Dwyer because I want your opinion on it. He wrote,

632
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Pretend Kawhi Leonard never played in Toronto, never won a chip.

633
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: Pretend he's new to the Raptors. He's Kawhi Leonard wrote

634
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: Kelly Dwyer. Yeah, he's thirty five, But wouldn't Raptors fans

635
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: understandably go gaga over dealing for a thirty five year

636
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: old Kevin Durant in twenty three or a thirty five

637
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: year old Lebron in twenty nineteen. You think that's fair?

638
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: So pretend he never played. Yes, he's thirty five, but

639
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: he was elite last year. Raptors fans would still be

640
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: going now it's up another level because he brought him

641
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: a championship. It'd still be going nuts again because it

642
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: makes this franchise relevant, I think more than anything.

643
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: I don't disagree. Yeah, I'm starting to think Lebron, you know,

644
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: is going to be playing at thirty five. With that comparison,

645
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: Lebron's going to be healthy. True, Yeah, there's a difference

646
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: there and Kevin Durant. You know, he didn't bring a

647
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: title on his own to a new team, So yeah,

648
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: I guess.

649
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: I would you get that out to make a move

650
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: for him?

651
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: No?

652
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: I would it be what as a Raptors fan, would

653
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 1: you have been excited, Oh of course, yeah, yes, just

654
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: like you would have been pumped with Giannis was going

655
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: to the Raptors. Sure, and then you know that's why

656
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: I think their name was linked. All these are always

657
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: like kicking the tires, like, hey, what can we get

658
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: with some of this draft capital that we've saved up

659
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: now and one or two of these bad picks or

660
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: excuse me contracts that we've signed because we have a

661
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: couple of album tross contracts.

662
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: It's a great question. Now I'm starting to think would

663
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: I rather have Kawhi or Yannis on the Toronto Raptors,

664
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: As in, would I rather have every fan walk into

665
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: the arenal be handed a gyro or uh or just

666
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: be a ka it's a hero. But anyway, this is

667
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: exciting times, especially with the Pistons and what they are.

668
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: I don't start to look at the Eastern Conference standings.

669
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: We'll see what the Celtics are. But I mean you

670
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: mentioned the defense. It's it's odd because the Pistons now

671
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: without Isaiah Stewart. We'll see what happens with Jalen Duran.

672
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: Like this, I feel like they're vaulting up the standings

673
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: right now, just because they are going to be a

674
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: good defensive team. I know they don't have the Vets,

675
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: but they do have the Jamal Sheds and the Jakobe

676
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: Walters to fill in and play hard defense even when

677
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: Kawhi does sit some games.

678
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: What's an ideal season here for the Toronto Raptors, then

679
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: realistic don't not winning the champion.

680
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: Kawhi plays sixty plus games in the Maker Conference finals.

681
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: There you go, I think that's right. And then that

682
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: sets up maybe the one more big move that they

683
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: try and like to catapul.

684
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, paying to get off quickly or perdl and

685
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: bringing in somebody who can help on a shorter deal

686
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: so you can actually make some moves further down the line,

687
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: because if they end up having to do these deals

688
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: for pearle and quickly, it's going to cost them picks

689
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: to get off it. And then you're talking about having

690
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: a paucity of assets to make any sort of improvements.

691
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: And then you are looking like the Bucks with a

692
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: player who's at the end of his contract without any

693
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: way to add to him except for he's you know,

694
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: much older than Yannis was. But uh, yeah, I don't

695
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: know it feels like the Raptors are in the second

696
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: tier in the Eastern Conference. It feels like the top

697
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: tier of the Eastern Conference is just the Knicks and

698
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: everybody else trying to get on their level and scrambling

699
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: to see what their team looks like. We'll see how

700
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: it all plays out by the end of the off season,

701
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: but the Raptors to me, are definitely in the mix

702
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: now when they weren't in the mix prior.

703
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: I would say, you're doing the tiers as far as

704
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: the Raptors go. I think there's tiers for the players

705
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: you mentioned too. I think Yaka Purdle is definitely not

706
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: on the same type of tier as a manual quickly

707
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: to me, Pearl, you definitely need to check that attach

708
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: a pick too, what quickly? Three years left on his contract.

709
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: He played pretty well, not excellent basketball, but three years

710
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: left I think is a little bit more palatable for teams,

711
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: and we'll see how he works with the number one

712
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: beside him. So TVD on that. But excited for this roster, baby,

713
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: you gotta be excited.

714
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely, it's way more exciting.

715
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: Because I believe same team except for now Kawhi Leonard

716
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: has taken the game winning shots exactly.

717
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: It's just called belief. It's like, oh, we actually could. Yeah,

718
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: so there's a lot more hope for sure, But you know,

719
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: hell of a gamble, hell of a risk. It's what

720
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: Bobby's doing here. He's like, all right, my turn as

721
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: the GM here. Let's try it worked once before, let's

722
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: do it again.

723
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: I think it's a great trade with the Clippers, though,

724
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: I like, if I'm talking about winners of the trade,

725
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: it's probably the Clippers. I think they've done a great

726
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: job of pivoting once they realized they weren't going anywhere

727
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: specifically with the James Harden trade, but they're going to

728
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: basically have to eat two years of brandon Ingram's salary,

729
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: and they're getting two great picks out of it. So

730
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: between Harden, Zubots and the Kawhi trade, they got Darius Garland,

731
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: Keaton Woggler, six first round picks, four seconds and then

732
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: whatever happens with these role players. They could even potentially

733
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: flip Ingram, though I don't really think that that's likely,

734
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: but maybe they get a player in on a shorter

735
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: contract or something like that. But the Clippers are making

736
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: some future forward moves and I think that's pretty smart. Yeah,

737
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: they've also got Grady Dick. I haven't heard a single

738
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: word about Grady Dick was Yeah, because he's young, I know,

739
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: I think he sucks.

740
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was extremely disappointing. Yeah, and they tell you you're

741
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: a shooter, but you can't shoot. That's an issue and

742
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: you're not out there for any other reason. So he's

743
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: just a you know, watch you know, maybe real rehabilitates

744
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: his career here and there'll be not like there as

745
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: much attention as it was, but definitely none. Now the Clippers, man,

746
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: they did a good job. I'm with you, but also

747
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: they were just like this was embarrassing. The Kawhi Leonard experiment.

748
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like brutal didn't work at all.

749
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: They were like what I guess in Clippers history, it

750
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: was maybe one of their better runs. But overall, you

751
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: said they hadn't won a playoff series since twenty twenty one, right,

752
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: you know a lot of time Kauai was injured and

753
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: all that. They're just stuck in the middle. They're always

754
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: like a good team, winning record, but having to go

755
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: in through the play in or get in the first round,

756
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: just get bounced, and it's like feels like there's a

757
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: waste of seven years. But they've rechanged their team now

758
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: and went young and now it's all picks and young guys. Yeah,

759
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: of course, I mean better than just being on the

760
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: treadmill of mediocrity, which they were. But they took a

761
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: stab at it way back in the day too.

762
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Kawhi probably is like a top five

763
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: Clipper of all time, and they had more success during

764
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: the period than they had at any other period in

765
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: Clippers history. They were relevant, a huge thing for a

766
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: Clippers team that's always in the spotlight or always in

767
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: the shadow of the Los Angeles Lakers.

768
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: We never even saw the Lakers play the Clippers. Huh,

769
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: that's crazy. With the Lebron versus Kawhy surprising, that is weird. Yeah,

770
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: let's go to the Lakers. Let's talk Lebron. He informed

771
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: the Lakers that he would not be returning yesterday. Already

772
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: rampant speculation. Where this guy's gonna land and how long

773
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: is he going to take to decide what's next for

774
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: Lebron James.

775
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: It's gott to meet with the Clippers. Stay in La.

776
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: Sure you don't want to do that although you know

777
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: there's some talk to Peyton Watson's going to the Clippers

778
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: from mark Stein, then they get become a better team.

779
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, just go meet with every single team, as

780
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: Rich Paul said, that's gonna happen. Go hang with Yannis.

781
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: I think the heat is a possibility. Really Yeah, it

782
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: comes down to Cleveland, Miami, or Golden State. So it's

783
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: whatever he picks me, it's whatever he's got high.

784
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any dark horse team that could

785
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: get in the mix here. You think it's on school

786
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: to State Cleveland or Miami.

787
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: The Timberwolves have registered interest.

788
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah they're trying.

789
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I find that one hard to believe.

790
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all.

791
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yess, he's got a lot of meetings. He's got

792
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: a ton of meetings. The Calves can offer him four

793
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: million dollars right now, that's the veteran minimum. But they

794
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: let Dean Wade walk if they move off of Max Struce,

795
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 3: if they're closing in on fifteen million dollars, which is

796
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: apparently the competitive range for Lebron right now. So to me,

797
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: Struce is the tell. If he gets traded in the

798
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: next couple hours, maybe Cleveland is the place the Warriors

799
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 3: offer golf wine friends in business, They've already had Draymond

800
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: Green a franchise Cornerstone, opt out of his contract, and

801
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: he shares an agent with Lebron James. So what does

802
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: he know. I think the Timberwolves, the Spurs, and the

803
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: Nuggets give Lebron a better chance of competing for a championship.

804
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: And if that's what he wants, he would choose one

805
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: of those teams, but they don't seem to be in

806
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 3: the mix at all.

807
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't push back on any of that. It's

808
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: really what he wants is that you talked about this

809
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: fifth ring idea. If he wants a fifth ring, then

810
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: you go to the Spurs, the Thunder of the Knicks,

811
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: basically maybe even the Wolves, like you said, I mean,

812
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: he's flirted with the Knicks before, way back twenty ten

813
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: before deciding on the Heat. I don't think it's likely. Obviously,

814
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: the Wolves are put making a push here because they're like,

815
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: we traded our power forwards. There's a slot for you, man,

816
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: nas reed Julius Randall, they're gone. Also, we put you

817
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: in there and we can hide you on the defensive end.

818
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: Don't worry we got Rudy Gobert and then we got McDaniels,

819
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: so you'd be good man, you could chill.

820
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: On that end.

821
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: We got the young guys and LaMelo and Aunt pushing

822
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: it on paper. I mean it does make a lot

823
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: of sense, But I can't see him in Minnesota. I

824
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: really really can't. It does feel like it's one of

825
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: those three teams, either the homecoming to Cleveland, Golden State,

826
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: or Miami. Now I hadn't thought about this. I guess

827
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: I was looking at like this as like Lebron's final season.

828
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: You're twenty four. Does it have to be like could

829
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: he go? Could he do the old one year song

830
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: and dance, golf trip, wine trip with Golden State? Try it,

831
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: pair up with Steph, you know, give it a go,

832
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: and then go home to Cleveland for the retirement tour

833
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: in your twenty five I guess it could. Sure. I

834
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: thought he was going to retire after this year, and

835
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: sort of in the mid season, I was like, I

836
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: don't know, he might be done, but I guess that's

837
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: a possibility.

838
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: I think, so, hey, Tom Brady, did it? I mean,

839
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: keep playing until you want to end it. I could

840
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: see multiple years with Cleveland and I know they're an

841
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: outsider right now, but beside Donovan Mitchell and Evin Mobley

842
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: mainly you know, and you get to play with Dennis

843
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: Ruder again. I'm sure he loved that. Again. I think

844
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: Cleveland they have an outside chance.

845
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: Do you want to play with Steph again? Or do

846
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: you want to play with Dennis Struder again?

847
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: Is that how it's going the team around Cleveland, that

848
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: it's got a higher ceiling? So mm hmm, that's yeah,

849
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: that's all it's always.

850
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think the Calves they play in the East.

851
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: Playing in the East, Yeah, and the group around they're

852
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: deeper than the Warriors. What are the Warriors banged up?

853
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: Porzingis Dreamond Green? Yeah, he is. They got the greatest beards.

854
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: I mean him and Draymond Green got the greatest beards.

855
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: Like Draymond Green's not getting better. Uh So it's a

856
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: question of who's around them. With the Calves at least

857
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, you know you're you're deeper. I know they're old,

858
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: too hard and old, but there's some young parts.

859
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: How do you think this gets announced? Well, like will

860
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: it just be a Sham's tweet or will it be

861
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: uh a Lebron decision? Another decision. Yea decision. Yeah, I

862
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: mean I can't like we mocked the decision, but this

863
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: we could have had some fun with or could still

864
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: like this is like you can make.

865
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: A show out of this, like the decision.

866
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but more fun because every team show up and

867
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: pitch their case to Lebron like that, you can exactly.

868
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: It would be amazing.

869
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: He just Rich and Max Kellerman on their podcast.

870
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Or like team up with the Golf Network and have

871
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: like the executive from each team battle it out eighteen

872
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: holes Lebron watches their golf game. Okay, I'll go there.

873
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: You can get creative with this.

874
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 3: Barks are gonna regret firing Doc Rivers.

875
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: Like that's why I put in that ninety thousand dollars

876
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: golf simulator. I was I was playing forty chess man.

877
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, who's Vince Schellini can do the broadcasting

878
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: on the Golf Channel. He's from Cleveland, is not? Okay? Okay,

879
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: it's the Vince Chillini. Yeah all right.

880
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: Besides Lebron and now Norman Powell off the.

881
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 3: List here too, and Voooch signed Oh did he Yeah

882
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: he's going the back to the magic Okay, yep, really

883
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: voochs back to the Magic Baby, I.

884
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: Guess Movagner is gone for that, right then? All right?

885
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: And Jonathan Isaac, I guess they're saying might re sign

886
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: with the Magic too. Well, who's the top remaining free agent?

887
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: Then?

888
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Who's left?

889
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: You mean other than d Anthony Melton. Peyton Watson is

890
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: the guy, very high ceiling, super young player, ready to

891
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: jump into a bigger role. Apparently the Clippers apparently are

892
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: in on it, Corn and Mark Stein, and so are

893
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: the Lakers, so to LA teams. But I think Denver

894
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: is wanting him to come back, but depending you know,

895
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: he's there is a little clog there with Cam Johnson

896
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: and Christian Brown if this guy's going to take a

897
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: bigger role. So Peyton Watson to me is the the

898
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: highest ceiling of all the guys.

899
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: Lest name Yeah, and they let a hardaway walk to Miami,

900
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: So clearly they're trying to at least get their books

901
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 3: a little bit in order to be able to match

902
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: Peyton Watson. Because the Nuggets absolutely cannot lose that guy

903
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: or nothing. That would be a terrible result, I think

904
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: for Denver. So I understand that Peyton Watson is linked

905
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: to both LA teams. He's an LA guy as well,

906
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: played at UCLA if I'm not mistaken, and somebody's got

907
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 3: to give this guy money. He had that nice fifteen

908
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: twenty games when the Nuggets needed him be the leading scorer,

909
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: and he was able to do it efficiently while still

910
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: given the defensive side. So he's a guy that's gonna

911
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: get paid. But I really hope the Nuggets are willing

912
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: to pony up for him. So I wonder if they'll

913
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: be trying to move off of Christian Brown, move off

914
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: of Cam Johnson in the next couple of days. We

915
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 3: shall see in the non restricted free agency realm best

916
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: remaining guys are not that interesting. I guess it's Tobias Harris.

917
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: He was pretty solid in the playoffs.

918
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: He was.

919
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, other than that, it's like treminga Ruey Hotcha Mura

920
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: bet mathroom. We haven't heard hardly anything about it. Seems

921
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: like he's going to get a squeezed like Quentin Grimes

922
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: did last year and then Mitchell Robinson. I guess kind

923
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: of curious where he ends up.

924
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there's rumors if he leaves that Kevon Looney

925
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: could be going to New York to be their backup guard.

926
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: But other than that center sixties me. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,

927
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: there's you know, the mamou kelshpeey hot rumor out there,

928
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: just to see where he ends up. Tory Easton, is

929
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: he going back to Houston? Not Bradley Beal. That's not

930
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: a hot rumor. It's shouldn't be a hot free agent

931
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: at this point of his career.

932
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: I keep thinking Bradley Beal's retired.

933
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: Right, he's opted out of guaranteed money this year. Weird.

934
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's still getting part of his giant deal

935
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: with the Suns. Right, he can take any sort of

936
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: deal and still make twenty million dollars.

937
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: He can still make money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's.

938
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: Got passive income right now.

939
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: He pretty does very smart.

940
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think every NBA player has got passive income.

941
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: I mean in a different way. Lebron's making bucks.

942
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 3: Indeed, he is another guy who's making bucks. Free agent

943
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: guard Mike Conley Junior has agreed to sign a one

944
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 3: year deal with the Boston Celtics.

945
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Michael Conley O human and Jessica yea, he

946
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: got this one done.

947
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: Conley becomes only the fourteenth player in NBA history to

948
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 3: reach twenty season.

949
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: I said that the other day when we were talking

950
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Al Horford, I don't think you were here, tks like

951
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: once Conley signs, he'll be joining that list of guys

952
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: to play twenty years. All right, no Conley to the heat.

953
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: M hmm.

954
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: That's probably good news for maybe your Bells and your Middleton's.

955
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, oh yeah, speech now might be a

956
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: spot for me.

957
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: Good luck to Michael Conley. Well, that.

958
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: News there spins nicely into my final question really with

959
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: free agency, and maybe you're tired of me asking this,

960
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: but what's gonna happen here with Jayleen Brown and the Celtics?

961
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: What do you think? Because if the Celtics can't find

962
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: a deal that they like enough on the market, are

963
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: both sides going to be able to let bygones be

964
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: bygones and get Jayleen Brown back to camp and iron

965
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: things out and move forward with the two j's and

966
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: this squad or has all this noise just gotten too

967
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: loud for everyone to quiet down? And now the Celtics

968
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: may be thinking, oh, we make it known that Jillen

969
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: Brown was available in the honest trade that falls through,

970
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: but we're going to have the entire league reaching out

971
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: to us for Jillen Brown deals and maybe that didn't happen,

972
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: and now they have to be the ones to be like, whoa,

973
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: oh boy, well are we trading them? Now we're the

974
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: ones that have to actively call teams. But what do

975
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: you think?

976
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Brown is totally comfortable with what's going

977
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: on within the Boston Celtics and that organization, and outside

978
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: we hear the noise, and we hear him hit the

979
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: streams and talk about his scenario and talk about mainly

980
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: referees and talk about analytics and guys putting him down

981
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: on the list of good players because there's analytics aren't good.

982
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: I think it's more so that that bothers him and

983
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: more so all of that becomes what we hear about.

984
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: So I think he can make it happen. I believe

985
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: in these two parties, he's getting together, you know, meeting

986
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: across the aisle, even though they're in the same aisle.

987
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 2: Really it's the same team, same organization. I think they're fine. Yeah,

988
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: the couple rumors over the years, yeah, I know maybe

989
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: that irked him a bit, but I think they can

990
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: work through it. And I don't think the Celtics have

991
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: a good enough package where they say, oh, we're gonna

992
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: be better without Jalen Brown if we decide for that. So,

993
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I'm wrong, but I think they go

994
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: back and play again.

995
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you nail that. The Celtics aren't getting a package

996
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: that they like for Jalen Brown. The rumors mill has

997
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: basically stopped running, like we're here, no buzz about Jalen Brown.

998
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: Sam Amck reported over at The Athletic that the Celtics

999
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: will have to significantly lower their asking price if they

1000
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: plan on trading him anytime soon. That is not how

1001
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: the Celtics have operated since Danny Ainge was there and

1002
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: then after Brad Stevens took over. If you don't meet

1003
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 3: their price, they don't do the trade. How many times

1004
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: have we heard them trying to split up Brown and Tatum?

1005
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: Amek and the guys ran through a bunch of the

1006
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: teams that are potentially interested in Jalen Brown. Portland has

1007
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: moderate intro seems like less interest from the Boston side

1008
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: of things, No surprise, Denver has no picks to throw

1009
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: in Brooklyn doesn't make sense to me. They don't really

1010
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: have much interest. Houston is out I have to wonder

1011
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: are the Hawks gonna get in the mix here. I know,

1012
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: I know we've been talking about their like flexibility type

1013
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: moves that they've been doing, the ability to save their

1014
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: picks and throw them in the mix here. So I

1015
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: wonder if they're like the surprise team. But seeing the

1016
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: way this has gone down with Jalen Brown and the

1017
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: Celtics and it looking like the relationship may be frayed,

1018
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 3: but they don't have a way to replace them the

1019
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: way they wanted. They really should have done that. Yeah,

1020
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 3: honest deal, you're gonna tell me that you're gonna jeopardize

1021
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: the relationship with Jalen Brown, miss out on the trade

1022
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: because of Baylor Shireman Hugo Gonzales. You blew it. But

1023
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: these big time trades for a player with a contract

1024
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: like Jalen Brown, like the dude's a top five salary

1025
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: and probably like a top ten to fifteen player, you know,

1026
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: it's a little bit out of whack. They can take

1027
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: a little bit more time. Carl Anthony Towns was in

1028
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: the same situation with the Timberwolves. He didn't get traded

1029
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: until September. The Donovan Mitchell trade was pretty late in

1030
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: the offseason as well, So maybe a team gets desperate

1031
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 3: in a couple of months and wants Jalen Brown, but

1032
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: I kind of think he's the Celtics though.

1033
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, how desperate the teams get, I think is a

1034
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: good way to put it here, especially with all these

1035
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: moves being made and all these other big trades like

1036
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Kauai obviously going on the raps. That's you know, that's

1037
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: competition to the Celtics here and maybe to another team

1038
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference. Maybe it is like the Hawks

1039
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: or something like whoa, well, we got to keep up

1040
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: here too and go get the hometown boy and him.

1041
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: I was like been playing around on the old trade

1042
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: machine with the Hawks as maybe more back interested in

1043
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: Jillen Brown and what it would take.

1044
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: To who's the part. Who is it all about the

1045
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: picks with the Hawks or are they actually giving it.

1046
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of picks here with the

1047
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: with the Celtics. So I believe those reports because it's

1048
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: like you guys have already said it, basically, whoever you're going

1049
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: to trade, I mean, maybe outside of the honest factor,

1050
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: but whoever you're going to trade and get back is

1051
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: not going to be as good as Jalen Brown. But

1052
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: it's going to set you up maybe for the next

1053
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: play with Taitu as you as your cornerstone, because you'll

1054
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: have picks and obviously much much more draft cap or

1055
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: contracts to work with and stuff like that. So that's

1056
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: how I think they'll be looking at it if they're

1057
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: moving off a gel in Brown. So the Hawks could

1058
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: get there and it makes you go like, oh, that's

1059
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: why they're picking up Buddy hial It's ten million, and

1060
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know Receche obviously look a number one

1061
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: pick recently. Still they have pieces and players. They could

1062
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: be aggressive and get jelling Brown, I think, or at

1063
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: least put an enticing offer together. We'll just see. It'll

1064
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: take all summer, won't it. Yes, probably, yes, will probably.

1065
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break when we come back.

1066
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Is this news.

1067
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 3: All right?

1068
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: Feels a little sacrilegious to do this on Canada Day,

1069
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: but you say, you say, you say, let's go big

1070
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Speaker 1: looking good yesterday. Yeah, I looked at the favorites for

1080
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: sure right now. Three to zero on Sweden. If Canada

1081
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: or excuse me, once Canada beats Morocco shocks the world

1082
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: once again, they'll be taken on France.

1083
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

1084
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 3: And Boppe.

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00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: They they look goss.

1086
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: If they lose, it'll be a shock.

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00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. But USA feeling good tonight, of.

1088
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: Course, of course Bosnia. I don't know anything about Bosnia,

1089
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 3: but Bosnia is in trouble flow ball again scoring a

1090
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: goal the night. That's a plus one hundred on Fandel.

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Speaker 1: Wow, see's it going in the back of the net.

1092
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: You can picture it, that's right.

1093
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: Hopefully he's not. Rusty sat that last game at Dusty

1094
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: Rush for the new Norway team last night. I guess

1095
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: that was the afternoon. I don't know. Even the announcers

1096
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 3: were confused about what time it was. They were calling again.

1097
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: They're like, it's noon here in Dallas.

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00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: I will say every day the start time is different

1099
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: for never games. It's not like a set schedule. It's

1100
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: like bouncing around. But three more on today. There's one

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00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta.

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00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: The early one.

1103
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: It's uh, England Congo. It's England Congo's right, yeah, it's

1104
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: tweve o'clock starts soon here. Let's get off.

1105
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: Oh that Mexico game was prettywee.

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00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, Hey, USA better not blow this tonight.

1107
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. North American teams are through. That's right, Canada, Mexico,

1108
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: and now America's got to complete the trifecta here. All right?

1109
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: Is this news, JD. Let's do it. Headlines for the boys,

1110
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: not really related to free agency. Something different. Now. We

1111
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: did slip the sin on last night's show, but let's

1112
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit more because the Indie

1113
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: Star has the headline. NBA Cup Final to be held

1114
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: at butt Hinkle Field House, Trey Kirby. Is this news?

1115
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: Yes, this is news. They told us they were maybe

1116
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: gonna be moving the Cup finals, and they moved the

1117
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: Cup finals.

1118
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: How about that?

1119
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: I think it's worth a shot. Vegas didn't work the

1120
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 3: way the NBA was hoping it was gonna work. But

1121
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's more so a function of this

1122
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: being a mid season tournament than it is where it's located. Right, Like,

1123
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: I mean, people travel for the Super Bowl despite it

1124
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 3: being in a different city every year. That's for the championship.

1125
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 3: This is for the second championship that doesn't have nearly

1126
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: the respect that the super Bowl or the NBA Championship has.

1127
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, cool, go to places where it's gonna be

1128
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 3: something unusual, history or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does Indiana

1129
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: and Indianapolis have an NBA team, Yeah, they do, So

1130
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 3: I would prefer like Louisville Cameron In or Stadium something

1131
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: like that, a team or a place that doesn't actually

1132
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 3: have an end a team. I'm sure they'll get there,

1133
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: that's eventually, but sure.

1134
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going to be a part of the

1135
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: NBA's like multi year vision here to move this around.

1136
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: And I think this makes a ton of sense. I

1137
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: like this whole too.

1138
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's emulating like what Major League Baseball

1139
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: does with the Field of Dreams game or the Outdoor

1140
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: Classic for the NHL, Like you know, something bigger that

1141
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: celebrates the game in the middle of the season. Simple

1142
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: as that. And so we'll see the finals in Indiana

1143
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: exciting stuff. If the Pacers get there. I mean that's

1144
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: a home court advantage, yeah, for sure. I think Gordon

1145
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: Hayward will be there. Butler, you know, they're just gonna

1146
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: hire him do stuff. I mean, Braden Smith is now

1147
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: on the Indiana Pacers from local Lafayette.

1148
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: That'll be fun for story rights itself. Yeah, but it's

1149
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: a good point that the semi finals are not, of

1150
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: course in Vegas like they were these last couple of

1151
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: years as well. It's they are in the the NBA

1152
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: team home markets, Yeah exactly, whoever has that home court advantage.

1153
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: So that's that'll be more exciting too, for sure. I

1154
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: think those semi final games and then we have this

1155
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: final here at least at the hinkle Field House. Do

1156
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: we have a photo in the hinkle Field House? JD.

1157
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean it looks cool. Oh oh, lights on there.

1158
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: You go, oh turn the lights on.

1159
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it's gonna look great on TV. That's

1160
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: the thing. And that's like the move here, even if

1161
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: like I don't know how were ticket sales anyway in Vegas,

1162
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: they didn't seem all that amazing, and it's just a

1163
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: generic T Mobile arena. It's like whatever, who cares do

1164
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: cool things like this? Especially with the NBA Cup. This

1165
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: is exactly what you use to try things like this and.

1166
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: Move around and you announce it during NBA free agencies

1167
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: when people still care about basketball.

1168
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: Okay, this was weird.

1169
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: Instead of doing it in August or September when no

1170
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: one's watching, like, get get prepared for next season. If

1171
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna go, like Trey mentioned, you know people go

1172
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl, get your tickets now. I think

1173
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: that's the idea, instead of in the off season when

1174
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: no one cares about basketball, fewer people care about basketball,

1175
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: or in October November it's too late.

1176
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: Okay. The news of where they're gonna have the NBA

1177
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: Cup championship is one thing. I still think that's a

1178
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: little strange to drop it right when free agency started,

1179
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: but then we got the group draw results last night, too,

1180
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: very weird, just timing, Just like, why are we dropping

1181
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: this right now? Anyway, here they are. I'm not going

1182
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: to read it for all the podcast listeners. Just know

1183
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: that everybody call is calling the Group of Death East

1184
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: b Oh. Yeah, Nick's Calves, Sixers, Heat, and Pacers, and

1185
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: that's a pretty stacked group there.

1186
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 3: Ja Sixers got screwed six pretty hard. Yeah.

1187
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, you think that is the group of death.

1188
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you squint, that could be the

1189
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: top five teams in the Eastern Conference. I mean, no

1190
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 3: disrespect to the Celtics or the Raptors or the Pistons

1191
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: who are also going to be in the mix, but

1192
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: it could happen that the Knicks, Calves, Sixers, Pacers, and

1193
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: Heat somehow formulate the top five. I think West Group

1194
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: A is also pretty interesting. I assume the Jazz will

1195
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 3: be better this year. Hard to tell what the Mavericks

1196
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 3: are going to be. But year two for Cooper Flagg,

1197
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: Kyrieer allegedly coming back, and when we know the Suns

1198
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: are at least trying to win now, and then the

1199
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: Nuggets and the Rockets are kind of on par with

1200
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 3: each other. I think the Nuggets are better, but you

1201
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 3: know they're in the same contention. Tire.

1202
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: It should be interesting.

1203
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we ever care about the groups.

1204
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: That's the thing. They can reveal the groups right now.

1205
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 3: Everybody will forget by the time this season comes around

1206
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: and then they put out the same graphic. I'm like,

1207
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: what this is awesome?

1208
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: Is this news?

1209
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: No?

1210
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: We talked about it in June.

1211
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: I can't wait to do it again though, Yeah me neither.

1212
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: JD just saved that graphic Okay, so I don't have

1213
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: to grab it again.

1214
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Speaker 3: To the nets. Huge official two years, nineteen million mutual option.

1215
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: That's the DOUBLET.

1216
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: I love it.

1217
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 2: Sean Marx reinventing the wheel. That's new.

1218
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: Not since Darryl Morey invented the poison pill contract for

1219
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: omer Ashik have we seen innovation like this. This is

1220
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: a team and player of muhame deal mutual, yes or no?

1221
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: Fascinating fascinating stuff. All right, I got some other news here. Oh,

1222
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear your thoughts on this one.

1223
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: Headline from ESPN, but you've seen it around everywhere. It's

1224
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: actually from a men's health magazine. I guess Ben Simmons

1225
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: training for comeback after season on the sidelines. Tass Is

1226
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: this news?

1227
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: Nah?

1228
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: So much? I wouldn't call this news. Listen Ben Simmons.

1229
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Cool to hear him say he needed to find himself again,

1230
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: take some time off, do the fishing thing. Yep. But

1231
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: I think the most important thing is it's not where

1232
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: he chooses to play, it's what team chooses him. So

1233
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: when he says, maybe I'll go back to Philly, Miami

1234
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: would be nice, it ain't about that. It's about the

1235
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: team that wants him. And so that almost makes it

1236
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: seem like I gotta pick where I want. That's not

1237
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: how it works at this point in your career.

1238
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: Right, the last time we saw you play, you were

1239
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: averaging three, three and four something whatever.

1240
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: He was averaging numbers when he put it through three

1241
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 2: or four triple double.

1242
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: Actually they were. I have him in front of me

1243
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: two point nine points per game, three point eight rebounds,

1244
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: and three point one assist in eighteen games with the

1245
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: Clippers in twenty four five.

1246
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: He was the backup center Go hit Yo Kitchen that

1247
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: playoff series essentially.

1248
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben Simmons, Uh, you know you're the big fisherman

1249
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: here of the group. Are you sad to see him

1250
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: leave the fishing world? I guess it's the better way

1251
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: to spin this.

1252
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: He'd really found his place.

1253
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: He didn't. Wasn't he on a championship team?

1254
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1255
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: That he owned That's awesome.

1256
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

1257
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he bought the team, put himself on the team,

1258
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 3: and then won the championship. It's like, imagine he did

1259
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 3: that in the NBA, But I don't know. I read

1260
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: this whole Men's Health magazine piece. One of our best

1261
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: news breakers out there, Men's Health. Remember we got the

1262
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: Luca Dontis feature last year. Yeah, it was a Men's

1263
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: Health that was a lie. He was in the exact

1264
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: same shape that he was, So I assume this is

1265
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: a little bit of a lot as well. But he

1266
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: seems happy. Yeah, Ben Simmons does. He seems optimistic. He

1267
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: seems like he's kind of found himself a little bit.

1268
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: I would say it didn't seem to me like he

1269
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: was taking a ton of accountability of the way things

1270
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: went down at the end of his Philadelphia tenure. He's

1271
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: blaming everything on the injuries. What's is certainly a part

1272
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: of it, but he won't admit to any sort of

1273
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: shortcomings on the mental side of things, which you know

1274
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 3: is probably a defense mechanism that he has to keep

1275
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: in his mind to try and make some sort of

1276
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 3: a comeback here. But I just wonder if he has

1277
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: anything to offer a team like I assume they'll still

1278
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: be a physical presence, being six' ten and. Fast it'll

1279
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 3: be a good, defender like he can pass the, ball

1280
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: he can. REBOUND i don't think he's gonna have a

1281
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: ton of confidence on. Offense seems like a bench player to.

1282
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 3: Me so if he's willing to accept eight minutes a

1283
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: game and a veteran minimum, CONTRACT i could see Ben

1284
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: zimmon's playing in THE nba.

1285
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: Again he did go a little further on him Liking

1286
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: miami that he Likes Eric. Spoltra he just likes the heat.

1287
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: Culture so does that mean he likes to play hard

1288
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: all of a, Sudden that's that's where he. Applies that's

1289
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: ALL i.

1290
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: NEED i just need to be in the heat.

1291
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: CULTURE i get that you need a coach that really rails. You,

1292
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: Essentially i'll tell you where he's not.

1293
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: GOING i don't think he's going back to The philadelphia

1294
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: seventy six. Ers. UNLIKELY i think that's smart for all.

1295
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: PARTIES i don't think that should. Happen whether there's a

1296
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: spot form and they need them and they, know just

1297
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: let's not do That. Miami, yeah maybe another, team, Sure

1298
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: AND i might to see him back in the league.

1299
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: AGAIN i wouldn't be expecting a whole, lot but like you,

1300
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: said his physical attributes, Alone, yeah there's a spot for.

1301
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: YOU i guess you were good when you started your.

1302
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: Career you were actually, very very.

1303
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: Good and it wasn't that article where he talks about

1304
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: the pass when he was With philadelphia right in THE

1305
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty one playoffs where he passed it to

1306
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: Miss tastible and he essentially blames him for missing free. Throws, right, yes, yeah, yeah, no.

1307
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: Cool he's basically, SAID i passed him at thee. Stible

1308
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: he's a better free throw shooter than, me so that's

1309
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 2: WHY i passed it to. Him it's too bad he.

1310
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: DIDN'T i always joked with, him why didn't you make

1311
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: those free? Throws he, Said i'm, like come, on, man,

1312
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: yeah dunk.

1313
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: IT i mean it was crazy to, See, uh at

1314
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: Least Ben simmons not in a basketball Old jim taking

1315
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: three point shots without his shirt, on but instead of

1316
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: men's health on a fishing boat without a shirt. On hate,

1317
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: shirts he hates. Shirts, yeah, yeah he looked.

1318
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: Ripped and he was catching some funky looking. Fish, Yeah

1319
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 3: i'm not like even you didn't, know well they put

1320
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: stripes on fish like.

1321
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: That, oh, YEAH i did see that. ONE i guess

1322
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: it's got.

1323
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: One that looked like a pair Of Ja morant's.

1324
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: Shoes that's, cool.

1325
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: Man where are you getting.

1326
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: Is the video of him chucking it back like he

1327
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: did the bubble.

1328
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 4: For?

1329
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: Him was he a fisherman before the? Bubble they just

1330
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 3: caught the?

1331
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 1: BUG i don't. Know, YEAH i don't.

1332
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: Know i'll have to read the In fishermen next.

1333
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: Season.

1334
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah final headline here from The athletic hand of OG

1335
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: Nba finals game ball pulled from auction to remain with The.

1336
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: Knicks let me explain this for those that are, like

1337
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? Headline, so the ball That

1338
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: Ojiana noobi tipped in to seal the biggest comeback in

1339
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: THE Nba finals history and Win game four against The

1340
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: spurs was actually returned to The knicks shortly before was

1341
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: scheduled to hit the auction block On. Tuesday Darren ravel

1342
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: was all over this because it was gonna go up,

1343
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: there and there's a bunch of OTHER Nba finals related.

1344
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: Items but then it was pulled and THE nba, said

1345
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: through a spokesman in a, statement the game ball From

1346
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: game four The finals holds significant importance to The, knicks their,

1347
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: fans the. City it will remain with the team as

1348
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: a lasting piece of franchise. History, trey is this newsworthy at?

1349
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: All?

1350
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 3: HERE i don't know if it's, newsworthy BUT i think

1351
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: it's good that it, happened because WHEN i read the,

1352
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 3: HEADLINE i was, Like Indiana jones. Mode that belongs in a.

1353
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 3: Museum some rich guy should not be buying the hand

1354
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: of og, ball which should belong with The. Knicks AND

1355
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 3: i think that that's kind of like a weird thing

1356
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: that's happened as collectibles have really, boomed is that everything

1357
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: becomes a. Collectible it's like every ball from every, game

1358
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 3: it's a fight over who gets to keep it and

1359
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 3: who gets to sell it and who gets to display. It,

1360
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 3: yeah every single. Jersey, like it's weird that THE nba

1361
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 3: has this partnership where they're like instantly shipping out stuff

1362
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 3: that should be staying with. Teams SO i think it's

1363
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: really good that THE nixt went and got the ball

1364
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: from their historic, win their first championship in fifty three.

1365
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 3: Years that was the pinnacle of their. Comebacks, yeah being

1366
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 3: able to pull that. Off so the ball belongs with,

1367
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: Them And i'm glad they got it.

1368
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: Back trace that. Perfectly that's who values. IT i didn't

1369
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: like the idea Of James dolan or The knicks making

1370
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: some extra money off some auction or whoever ends up

1371
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: keeping that. Money, yeah we.

1372
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: Heard about this deck bro In Silicon valley having that

1373
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: ball in his.

1374
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: House we heard enough about folding chairs At cavs games

1375
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: and who was buying. Those Taylor swift was sitting on,

1376
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: one and who Was who are the other? Ones i'm

1377
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: literally looking up the rapper's. Name who was Machine Gun?

1378
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: Kelly Machine Gun? Kelly nobody wanted.

1379
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: Machine anybody buy that?

1380
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: ONE i guess not check my.

1381
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: Auctions there's a bunch of still, Items like you, Said.

1382
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: Trey they quickly turned this stuff around because they have

1383
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: this deal With. Sothby's BUT i guess the standout piece

1384
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: maybe now Is Jellen brunson's jersey From game. One it's

1385
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: one of the pieces that you can bid. On i'm

1386
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: sure that would go for a lot of. Money m

1387
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: hm in a good game one he came. On he

1388
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: caught on fire in the fourth. Quarter it's got the

1389
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: cool little finals logo on the, back like you're a next.

1390
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: Fan you're gonna be and you got a lot of.

1391
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: Money you're gonna be trying for, THAT i. Assume but

1392
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: not the ball, baby not the ball, baby like how

1393
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: they call it the hand of og. Ball just so?

1394
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: Good all, right that's ALL i got for. You it's

1395
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: all the, news so we'll call it. There we'll see

1396
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: what else comes in over the next couple dayscause we're

1397
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: gonn take a break You.

1398
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 3: No, No i'm. Refreshing I'm wagner the last time you

1399
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 3: get one last little bit of slop for.

1400
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 2: You.

1401
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no that's.

1402
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: Okay But Steve human's busy right. NOW i mean we

1403
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 3: had new agents in The Norman. Powell oh, YEAH i was,

1404
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 3: like who the hell are these? People twitter? Account, yeah

1405
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: link into the Agent's twitter.

1406
01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: Account, okay not that anybody really, cares BUT i guess

1407
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: with these two sided opt, Ins schamps makes it clear

1408
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: if either opts. In, okay SO i was, Right you're.

1409
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: Good, yeah it doesn't have to be both team says.

1410
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: Hey we want your, Back, Mo, wagner you're coming.

1411
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: Back that's HOW i thought it. Was wasn't one hundred?

1412
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: Percent so good to.

1413
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 3: Nothing but even if the team is like we don't

1414
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 3: want you, back And wagner, Says i'm. Common, yeah they

1415
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: got clear a.

1416
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: Spot, yeah that is a funny. Option, yeah that is very.

1417
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: Interesting now two, guys you, said And ellis And.

1418
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 2: Wagner, well this is How shams put. It the deal

1419
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: contains a mutual option guaranteed the nineteen million dollars For

1420
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: wagner while allowing either side to opt in bracket not

1421
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: not opt, out along with having a conversation about doing

1422
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: a new contract next.

1423
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: Summer so What, yeah leave it To schams to make it.

1424
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: Clear you've just made it more.

1425
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: Confused, yeah, YEAH i.

1426
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 3: Can't wait to. Play who says?

1427
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.

1428
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: Just says, Yes, Kean, Ellis Mo. Wagner hopefully they do another.

1429
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: One most, Yes i'll guaranteed. THAT i Think kean might.

1430
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: Not he might go get some more. Money Javon.

1431
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: Carter but then the team Came Javon.

1432
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 3: Carter it's not a double deal for.

1433
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: Sure John carter's sticking With orlando three point five million.

1434
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: DOLLARS i did forget about. That it's a it's A

1435
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: bartle way to go market Market wepton. Tonight, yeah it

1436
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: was a late night last. Night all, Right we'll wait

1437
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: to see the biggest thing here is really the restricted

1438
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: free agency Of Jayalen duran and like you, said The

1439
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: Peyton watson maybe the targets and there are things. Here

1440
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: the plan is for us to take a break just.

1441
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: Tomorrow we're gonna be back here On Friday The Drop

1442
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: podcast ten Am eastern live on. YouTube so hit the

1443
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: light button. Subscribe you know you can hit the little

1444
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: notify thing there when we're going. Live so, yeah we'll

1445
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: be back On, friday unless there's an emergency newsworthy items,

1446
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: dropping so otherwise we'll see it. Then Clton, rose you

1447
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: heard it here.

1448
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: First have a great time turn. Up love you guys.

1449
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: Awesome thanks for joining. Us and remember the ONLY nba

1450
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 2: free agency that is actually free is watching or listening

1451
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: To No.

1452
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: Dunks brace the, day, people