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Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Today we want to welcome man some When I was

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Speaker 2: in college, just he was younger than me, but he

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was admiring from Afar where you and

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Speaker 2: Q kind of started in that early two thousands in

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Speaker 2: the LA scene.

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Speaker 4: Talk to us about your start.

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Speaker 1: Eat.

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Speaker 2: Saint Louis's has has created some very talented basketball players,

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Speaker 2: but you were one of the early ones. Talk to

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Speaker 2: us about your upbringing, what that looked like, East Saint

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Speaker 1: I came up in a city whereas eighty nine blocks

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Speaker 1: like three different ways. We uh, East St. Louis is Illois.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know Saint Louis is Missouri,

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Speaker 1: so we'll hold another state. But I rapped both sides

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Speaker 1: because I went all around hooping with everybody. But when

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Speaker 1: I came up, one of the motivating things for me,

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Speaker 1: especially in basketball, my mom made me play basketball because

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Speaker 1: I was always big. But she I thought she was

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Speaker 1: Like after basketball practice the street lights on I can

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Speaker 1: So that was like a struggle at first, but then

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Speaker 1: I started playing, and then she drove school buses. So

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Speaker 1: it's this famous coach in East Saint Louis named Benny Lewis.

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Speaker 1: He was the high school coach. He was the first

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Speaker 1: black coach to win a state title in Illinois. He

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Speaker 1: was the first coach to win three state titles in

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Speaker 1: the row in Illinois. My mom always drove the bus,

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Speaker 1: the field trip bus for their games. So I used to,

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Speaker 1: and I used to see them and I always wanted

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Speaker 1: to play for him. So as I got older and older,

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Speaker 1: when I finally got a chance to go to high school,

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Speaker 1: I went to Lincoln Senior High School went to play

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Speaker 1: with him. They closed down our school after my sophomore year.

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Speaker 1: When I'm from seventh through nights was junior high and ten.

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Speaker 4: Through twelfth high grade was junior high.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I only played three years of high school.

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Speaker 1: So when I got to tenth grade, I went to

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Speaker 1: it all came about.

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Speaker 4: When did you realize that, like shit, I might be

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Speaker 4: able to do this for a living.

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Speaker 1: Probably after my ninth grade year, because I was in

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Speaker 1: junior high. So ninth grade I didn't play against high

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Speaker 1: school guy. I au coach where I met Q. He

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Speaker 1: came from Chicago. He came down and he went to

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Speaker 1: all the high schools, and the high schools was telling

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Speaker 1: him like, yeah, it's this kid in junior high. He

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Speaker 1: I was playing program though, like I won. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: even playing with kids my age for real. I was

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Speaker 1: playing programs. So when he came down, you know, got

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Speaker 1: I ain't messing with you, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And your high school was ten eleven twelve. Huh your

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Speaker 1: high school eleven tw Yeah, So when he came to

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I ain't really mess with you.

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Speaker 1: He gave me his number and stuff, so I did'n't

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Speaker 1: But my teacher went to school with my mom and

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Speaker 1: and them and the restless history. I started playing with him,

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Speaker 4: What was your first impression to Q? Because Q was

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Speaker 1: It really wasn't just Q. It was like their whole

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Speaker 1: Like they played like ten tournaments, peace Jam, all them

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Speaker 1: They was on his high school team.

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Speaker 4: He went to what Whitney Young?

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Speaker 1: He went to Whitney Young. That's why I almost went

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Speaker 1: more of his team. But Q stuck out more to

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Speaker 1: me because he was the one that was the McDonald

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Speaker 4: Like is he two years older than you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was about to be a senior when I.

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Speaker 4: Was about to be a sophomore.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I was watching him a lot, so watching

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Speaker 1: his journey from when he decided to go to the pall,

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Speaker 1: when he decided when he uh, when he made All State,

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Speaker 1: go to McDonald's, So you know, that was just like

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Speaker 1: that was the level I was playing, and I was

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Speaker 1: I was already playing with adults and stuff high school.

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Speaker 2: As you kind of start progressing through high school, and

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Speaker 4: Was it college?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 2: Was college ever coming the picture? Or you wanted to

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Speaker 2: make that jump? And if you wanted to make that jump,

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Speaker 2: what was the reason why? No, I ain't think about

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Speaker 2: making a joint. I committed early. I committed before my

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Speaker 2: committed with Mike Jarvis. I Odmar Cook for real. I

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Speaker 1: He wanted to go to North Carolina, but North Carolina

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Speaker 1: he decided to go to Saint John's. I went on

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Speaker 1: the visit. That was the first time I met jay Z.

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Speaker 1: On the visit, I went to Midnight Madness. You know

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I went with Mike Jarvis. My dream school

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Speaker 4: So what made you decide to d commit and put

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Speaker 1: Mike Jarvis and my AAU coach came to me and

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Speaker 1: was like saying that you top five, top ten because

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Speaker 1: I told him they they was mentioning it to me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm from the hood. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: So when they was telling me this, I told him,

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, the only way I jumped if

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Speaker 1: I go lottery, which lottery was top twelve because I

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Speaker 1: just seen Rashard Lewis slip in the draft and how

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Speaker 1: I ain't even gonna play with that. So when they

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Speaker 1: was keeping it real with me, like, yeah, they talking

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Speaker 1: like two workouts and they was like, yeah, you top

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Speaker 1: top three, top five, Time to go. Yeah, it was out.

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Speaker 3: I've been to East Saint Louis with you, and I

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Speaker 3: know how hard it is come from there.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: It ain't too much positive stuff going on from there.

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Speaker 3: the grind, the grind of everything. Like me and my mom.

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Speaker 1: My mom is the youngest child out of all my

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Speaker 1: It was like, that's like four million dollars that you

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Speaker 1: passing up on just to go to college. They kind

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Speaker 1: of just put in me, which I was very patient.

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Speaker 1: My mom was very stern. She was like, man, we

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Speaker 1: ain't taking nothing from nobody. You don't want to owe

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Speaker 1: that I was getting and I was killing everything, Like

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Speaker 1: I killed the McDonald's game, I killed the USA game.

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Speaker 1: Like I was one kind of that hybrid from KG.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. KG was doing more of

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Speaker 1: the power forward thing, but I was the hybrid that

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Speaker 1: was dribbling and playing all the positions, guarding all the positions.

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Speaker 1: So I felt like how people was talking to me

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Speaker 1: like I was a unique player. And Mike even told

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Speaker 1: Mike even said like, yeah, if I was drafting somebody

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Speaker 1: number one, I draft him, which I was going to night.

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Speaker 1: I was going to Jordan Camp every summer like for

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Speaker 1: two weeks. Kind of getting that from him. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So it was just like a no

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Speaker 1: I was being patient with it. I wasn't trying to like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm going out of high school. I never mentioned, never said.

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Speaker 1: I just let everybody else say it, and it just

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Speaker 1: kind of came in for us.

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Speaker 3: You ended up going number three, behind Keny Martin and

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Speaker 3: stroke My Swift. I think that was in two thousand draft.

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Speaker 3: That was actually my first year in the league because

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Speaker 3: we played the Rookie Allstar Game together. Yeah, coming into

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Speaker 1: I think we I think we became stars because we

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Speaker 2: Y'all used to practice us south By Southwest with no

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Speaker 1: we kept cuting him man for like two weeks. That

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00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: was my introduction to him, Like I know, I remember

439
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: my scene and he looked like he was just glowing,

440
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 1: like he had you know what I'm saying, like Bruce

441
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 1: Lee Roy going I'm talking about he just glowing. I

442
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: remember I remember calling my mom and she was like, yeah,

443
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: so how was Michael Jordan. I was like, man, he

444
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 1: cussed like us And she was like what. I was like, Yeah,

445
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: he cussed like us. He'd be saying ship fuck all

446
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 1: that ship I'm talking about. He just cussed. She said,

447
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: boy for real? I said, yeah, I couldn't believe he

448
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: cussed because it was it's him Jay, like he talked

449
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: like us. But after that, I started going to the

450
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 1: camp every summer, and even when we got drafted, we

451
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 1: went to the camp, but me and Q showed up.

452
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 1: After we got drafted, we showed up to Santa Barbara.

453
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: We had nothing but a one girl. Remember, a one

454
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: was just trying to get any guys to get so

455
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: we had nothing but a one girl. So we came

456
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: out there the first day with the one.

457
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 3: Mike wasn't having that, and Mike looked he was like.

458
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: He was like, he was like what y'all got on?

459
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: I was like, he was like, I thought y'all was

460
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: a Nike guy, and we was like, yeah, we reached

461
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: out to Nike. Nike really weren't fucking with us like that.

462
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: So he was like, all right, I'm gonna make a

463
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: few calls for y'all. So, you know, went through the day.

464
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: Everything's good. We woke up that morning. Our age of

465
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: car was like, man, what happened? Like, what you're talking about?

466
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: I just got two contracts from y'all to be signed

467
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: with Jordan and Nike gonna damn like, Nike gonna pay y'all,

468
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: but y'all under Jordan were like what nah, that can't

469
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: be too next thing, you know, we get a knock

470
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: on the door, it's like four boxes, damn. And after

471
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: that we was in rest is history.

472
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: What was your favorite part? I mean, you still Jordan

473
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: to this day. What was your favorite part about kind

474
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: of being into that fraternity.

475
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: Man, just growing up watching Mike and you know, being

476
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: an Illinois kid and always dreamed of playing with the

477
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: Bulls and doing all that stuff and just coming up

478
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: under Mike. Like we watched Mike eighty two games on WGEN.

479
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: You know I'm saying, we watched every single game. It

480
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: wasn't the regional thing for us, you know what I'm saying.

481
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: So just being in his presence to be a part

482
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: of get some of him, to rub some of that

483
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: stuff off on us. Man, it's always been a blessing,

484
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: and you know, we really appreciate it. What's better, like

485
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: folksing died where I'm from over Jordan's growing up, you

486
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like a lot of stuff happens

487
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: over Jordan. Jordan Is in the black community is a

488
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: shoe that's just golden to us, you know what I'm saying.

489
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: So to be representing that, it kind of just added

490
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: the flavor the culture to us, you know what I'm saying.

491
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: That's now guys wearing Jordan's you know what I'm saying,

492
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: wearing the Jordan they start wearing our jerseys. It just

493
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: helped us kind of moved into that that that iconic

494
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: era where you know, we up there with the guys

495
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: who who's selling the jersey? Like my jersey was top

496
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: five the first two years in the league, you know

497
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like stuff like that, you start seeing

498
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: your jersey all on on videos and stuff like that.

499
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: So just I feel like Jordan had something to do

500
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: with that, because Jordan is like our culture.

501
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: What was the outside feeling. Obviously on the court, you

502
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 2: guys are starting to come together as a very young team.

503
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: But off the court, y'all are popping. Y'all on the

504
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: cover of Slam. You guys are in movies. You guys

505
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: are at every premiere. There's so much to do. Because

506
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: I'm in Collin, I'm at UCLA at this time, and

507
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 2: you were all the same agent. I'm seeing you guys

508
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: everywhere movies, covers, billboards.

509
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 4: I mean, what was that like for you?

510
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: I mean, a kid from you know, East Saint Louis

511
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: and now you're on the biggest stage in Hollywood.

512
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: It was real different. Like we started getting folks that

513
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: really rock with us that we didn't know. We started

514
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: getting the streets, like you know, the Lakers kind of

515
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 1: run the land. You know what I'm saying, but we

516
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: started really getting the street, the grassroot guys. The folks,

517
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: even they know they was a Laker fan. They appreciate

518
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: how hard and how we played like we was exciting

519
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: a whole lot of dunking and celebrating. I remember when

520
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: we really start celebrating a lot after everything we do,

521
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: you folksing wasn't wasn't too happy about that. Like, you know,

522
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: the league was so old school that they didn't really

523
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: appreciate guys celebrating or or you know, they felt like

524
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: it was show bolting and all that stuff. I mean,

525
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: Jerry Sloan, the shun. Stevens used to always tell us

526
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: about Jerry Sloan, how he used to talk about us, like,

527
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: we don't want them to be out there doing that

528
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: because most of the time, if we're doing that, I mean,

529
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: we're kicking our lass, you know what I'm saying, That

530
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: were bumping our heads and stuff. So it was just

531
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: a blessing to just see how the culture kind of

532
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: embraced us. Not only the culture, but you know, Slam magazine.

533
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We did the first reality

534
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: show on ESPN. You know what I'm saying, The La

535
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: Hoops just all that is. Like I was just saying,

536
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: the videos, the rap videos, our name in the rap songs,

537
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: like that was all a blessing. And like I said,

538
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: none of us is All Stars, like even Lamar, you

539
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: know which he should have probably made an All Star

540
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: Game before, but none of us was ever All Star

541
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: or none of us probably would never be a Hall

542
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: of Famer. But you know, we embraced in the culture

543
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: so deep respected by Twitter peers too. Yeah. Yeah, if

544
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: you can't get all the accolades and the individual awards,

545
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: like that's one of the biggest awards you can get

546
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: by your prayers, respecting what you're doing. I mean that's

547
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: even for me.

548
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: That's even with Jordan, you know what I'm saying, Like

549
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 3: for him to want us to wear his brand for

550
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: the rest of our life, and we didn't get the

551
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: props and you know, accolades that we thought we should

552
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 3: deserve from playing basketball. I think that's like a trophy

553
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: to me too, you know what I'm saying, That's like

554
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: a trophy to us to be able to get boxes

555
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: from the best player that ever played the game.

556
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like.

557
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 4: You get free shoes from you sometimes yeah.

558
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: But it's at the point now if I go any

559
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: place and I don't got Jordan or anything on, like,

560
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: they be disappointed. Yeah, yeah, yez to Milwaukee. I had

561
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: to get them red ye And I went to Milwaukee

562
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: and I was at the little Celebrity game and I

563
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: had my red yeezz on and he was like, man,

564
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: I came here strictly to see you put MIC's on,

565
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: have some mics on. So now they'd be disappointed if

566
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't work Jordans. They kicked me out. It's like, man,

567
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: y'all gonna make me work Jordan.

568
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 3: You have to get permission for the Officer game? Remember, Yeah, Yeah,

569
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: I think you think you put did you put him

570
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: on put the Officer game?

571
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: No? You didn't put him up an Iicon game? No? Yeah.

572
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: Loyal to the Soil Lebron's rookie year. Yeah, on the

573
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: Caps from lebron rookie season. He was part of the

574
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: infamous video This and Braun.

575
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 1: Yeah that was. I don't think you can really just

576
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: bring a high school player in and really just think

577
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: your team gonna really turn around like that. If he come,

578
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, he can just hop on

579
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: our bandwagon. And hopefully we can do something.

580
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he was ready Loki hate. It was Loki hat,

581
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: it wasn't okay works, let's talk about it.

582
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: Well, uh, you know, Lebron is a straight out of

583
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: high school guy. You know, if you take you know,

584
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: if you know anything about these cameras and interviews, you

585
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: can take certain clips or certain answers and you can

586
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: clip it and make it look like something, of course,

587
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: but what really happened was I was defending Lebron, right,

588
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm a country boy

589
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't have the proper teaching of how to talk.

590
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: So probably the words that I use probably sound that way,

591
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: but the all actuality is I was really defending him,

592
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We were on a team

593
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: where the owner was a blind man. You know what

594
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Gordon Gunn He he couldn't do nothing but

595
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: here a game, so he couldn't really see what really

596
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: was going on until the next year where we had

597
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: a new owner. So when they asking these questions, they

598
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: don't purposely trying to lose this season to get Lebron.

599
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: So the rest of the guys was, you know, they

600
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: felt some kind of way. But I knew Lebron. Lebron

601
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: used to come over my house. I'm I'm at Thanksgiving

602
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: dinner that year with Lebron, Like I'm hooping with Lebron.

603
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: This this is my guy. You know what I'm saying.

604
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: His locker specifically got put next to mine because we

605
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: have that relationship. And mind you, that interview was the

606
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: year before he got there, so we had If he

607
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: felt that kind of way that I was talking about

608
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: him like that, we would never have been as close

609
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: as what we is. But you know how they edited

610
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: and how they said it is what it is. I

611
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: don't really get into all that, but I know I

612
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: was defending him.

613
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: You were speaking from the experiences of being ahidesking draft out.

614
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Of the high school. To be real with you, it's

615
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: never been a guy like that, especially out of high school.

616
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: It's never been a guy that you put that that

617
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: much expectations on to just give a franchise to and

618
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: just say he finished turning a immediately like that. So

619
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, Nah, you ain't finna do my guy like that.

620
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: You ain't finna put that pressure on him like that.

621
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: So I was really defending him. But like I say,

622
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, country boy didn't get the proper media training,

623
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: so you know, words might have sound different to y'all

624
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: than it did to me. If you read the quote,

625
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: it ain't really hate because shit, I thought it was finish.

626
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: The same shit was finna happened the year before, so

627
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: like it was crazy to get you know what I'm saying.

628
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: I never lost this much a day in my life.

629
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: I just got drafted to the team that was the

630
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: worst team in the NBA. Didn't get traded to the

631
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: worst team in the NBA, So you know what's going

632
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: on right there? This year. I'm like, nah, y'all, ain't

633
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: finna put all these expectations on my boy. And I'm

634
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: looking at us getting our ass kicked every day. We

635
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: want seventeen games out of eighty two. That's crazy, you

636
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Nah, y'all, ain't finna do my

637
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: guy like that. He straight out of high school. I

638
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: see him and his mama on the regular basis. I'm

639
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: at Lebron games holding the fat head up. Yeah, you

640
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, or the fan signs with his

641
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: face like I went to. His game was more packed

642
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: than I Yeah, like so, and I was the only

643
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Cavalier that was at his games or had that relationship

644
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: with him, Like even with Rich Paul. Rich Paul was

645
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: was dwine Wagoner homeboy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

646
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: But Rich introduced me to Lebron. Yeah, and ever since

647
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: then we was cool. I played summer league. I'm four

648
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: years in the league. I played summer league strictly because

649
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Lebron came and played because we had a relationship like that.

650
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, four years in the league and

651
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: you've been playing I shouldn't have been that summer league, right,

652
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: But I played summer league. I went to Orlando and

653
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: Boston with them to play summer league because it was

654
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: me and him Boozer, Big Sagana job, dwine Wagoner. It

655
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: was like, shit, I need to be a part of

656
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: this y'all to kill or something.

657
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: And I'm four years in. Yeah, but you know it

658
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: is with it. Let's switch gears. Talk about mental health.

659
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: You struggled with depression and privately after his retirement or

660
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: losses fortune through bad business deals. A lot of this

661
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: stuff I know about. It's just we all go through

662
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: stuff after retire, trying to figure our identity. A lot

663
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: of stuff that people say that you went through a

664
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: lot of it wasn't true. I know you personally, and

665
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff we went through together, just going

666
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: through the ups and downs man of losing, losing moms,

667
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: trying to figure out where we're going, you know, after basketball,

668
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: the alcohol stuff. Just talk about you know, dealing with

669
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: mental health and the struggles of trying to figure things

670
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: out along with dealing with loss.

671
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, coming out of high school playing basketball

672
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: since fifth grade, I never really had no problem. Everything

673
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: has been, you know, great, Everything has been right. So

674
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: at the end of my career knee injury, I started

675
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: seeing what the other guys see, trying to come on

676
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: the team and try to make a team, because remember

677
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: I came to Bobcats, try to make a team and

678
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: you're not the favorite on the team. I never really

679
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: been in that position, but after it was kind of

680
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of felt in me that I can't really move

681
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: my knees or move the way that I really want

682
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: to move. I knew I had to retire after I

683
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: had to retire. Soon as I retired, my grand my

684
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: grandfather passed away, then my grandmother passed away, then my

685
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: mama passed away. So these are the three people in

686
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: the house that I grew up with my whole life.

687
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I don't got no brothers and sisters. You know, my homeboys.

688
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: Shoot my homeboys or my brothers. So I'm the only child.

689
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: So everybody that I grew up in the house with

690
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: passed away. So losing my careers are something that that's

691
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: the only thing I know is basketball. Then losing the

692
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: three most important people in my life. Because like when

693
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: I lost my granddaddy, it didn't hurt as bad because

694
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: I still had my grandmama and my mom. Then I

695
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: lost my grandmama, I felt it a little bit more,

696
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: but I still had my mom. So then when I

697
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: lost my mom, it was like you shut down. I

698
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: was worried about you. It's just like I tried to

699
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: keep myself away from good people because I didn't want

700
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: to rub I didn't want to treat good people in

701
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: my life the wrong way of how I felt. You

702
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was like mad at the world.

703
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: But then I didn't know about depression or anxiety or

704
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: so forth on like that because I never been through

705
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: nothing like that. I never thought that was real. Like

706
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: when somebody say they have an anxiety attack or they

707
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: have anxiety. I'm like, man, you bullshit smoke one that

708
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: ain't real until I start experiencing it myself. So you

709
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: know that, it was like eight years that I just

710
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: kind of shut down on the world, like completely, friends, family, everybody,

711
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: because I was so angry at the world. You know

712
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like my mom died of cancer. I

713
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: couldn't blame it on the person. I didn't say this

714
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: person shot my mom or or did something to my mama.

715
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: It was like an invisible thing I was mad at.

716
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: And then you know, you getting that mode, you start

717
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: seeing red, you can start getting in trouble every which

718
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: a way. So that's when I went through everything, and

719
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: then my kids made me kind of like get out

720
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: of them. Seven eight years I was just thinking about, man,

721
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: I gotta get back out here and do something for

722
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: my kids, to leave my kids something, because how hard

723
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: the world is. You know what I'm saying, Like it's

724
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: hard to live in this world and accomplish something by yourself,

725
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: let alone. You know what I'm saying with somebody, So

726
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: just try to get back out here and just try

727
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: to give them something, To give them something, I can

728
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: leave them kind of give them the knowledge that I

729
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: know the ups and downs and you know, kind of

730
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: keep it real with them and they kind of thinking

731
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: about them as as I was going through depression and

732
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: all that stuff kind of made me get up out.

733
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: Of what happy You found that that median and were

734
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: able to pull yourself out, because a lot of people

735
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: don't pull especially when you lost your career ends short

736
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: and then you lose the three most important people. A

737
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: lot of people don't make it out of the situation

738
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: you made it out of. And that ain't even have

739
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: man like, it's the last stuff we can't talk about.

740
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying That ain't even half bro. Yeah,

741
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: I want to backped a little bit because you two

742
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: thousand and five, you think you're getting a simple knee

743
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: procedure and you wake up and find out it's a

744
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: micro fracture surgery you had, And at that time, a

745
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: micro fractior surgery took the careers of Chris Webber, Penny Hardaway,

746
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: Jamal Mashburn, Alan Houston. It's a surgery that they don't

747
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: even do anymore, and you didn't necessarily know that was

748
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: the type of surgery you were putting yourself into.

749
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you get in there and they see

750
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: that it's hold in your college that they got to feel.

751
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: And the only at the time, the only thing that's

752
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: kind of that they kind of do it on older folks,

753
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's where it really came

754
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: from older folks. But at the time, micro fax a surgery,

755
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: so it extended the months, is extending everything, and I

756
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: just never was the same after that.

757
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: Two year recovery.

758
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: Once you kind of get back to trying to be

759
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: who you were, because your game was, like you said,

760
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: you were more of that new.

761
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: Age of.

762
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: You're big, but your guard and you're a high flyer.

763
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: You can handle the ball, you're coming off, picking rolls,

764
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: you're making decisions. But if you got a need that

765
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: doesn't agree with what your mind is doing, what was

766
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 2: that life?

767
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's different. Like my mind had a mentality

768
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: that my body couldn't live live up to. And it

769
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: was starting to come into that age in the NBA

770
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: where you're not keeping the veteran guys who got an

771
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: IQ or who can steal play but it might not

772
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: be the athletic person version of themself, but they still

773
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: can play the game that transition was kind of going.

774
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: It was starting to get super young, so it was

775
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: just hard. And you know, I probably fought maybe two

776
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: years longer than I should have fought, trying to play

777
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: waste a lot of a lot of time and money.

778
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: If I go back on it, I would have I

779
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: would have been done when I left Poland and kind

780
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: of got my mind right to somebody to do something else.

781
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just nothing you can really do

782
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: when when your body kind of shut down. You know,

783
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: I didn't lift weights or do weights until I was

784
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: my third year in the league. Like Cleveland made me

785
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: start going to the weight room every day. Like I

786
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: put in the work, Trust me, I was in the

787
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: gym all the time, putting into work. But I didn't

788
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: know that the weight room go hand.

789
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,479
Speaker 4: In hand with But shit, there wasn't no more fucking

790
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 4: weight room in La.

791
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.

792
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: There wasn't a weight room, No, it really was. Yeah,

793
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 4: there wasn't bro there wasn't no. There wasn't no training

794
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 4: training area. There was. There was a fucked up junior

795
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: college gym.

796
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm from East Saint Louis, so they didn't

797
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: they really let you go in the weight rooms. Something bad.

798
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: It happened, you know what I'm saying, Like it wasn't

799
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: we never. I never grew up in a program in

800
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: high school where he had a program which started you

801
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: on waits and all that stuff kind of teach you

802
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: how to go. Just maybe if I went to college,

803
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: I probably got you know what I'm saying. Definitely would

804
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: have got to it. But you know I went straight

805
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: to Lee. Can I get a thank you for what?

806
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: You know? I just I've recently seen the rook yarll

807
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: Star game. You know how many points you got off

808
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: me that game? Don't? Yeah? You worked for me.

809
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: I didn't know I was working for you that day,

810
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: but it showed looked like it. It show looked like

811
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: I was employed by Daris Miles that game because I

812
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 3: was past you the ball every time all the time,

813
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: finished myself in the position.

814
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm surprised didn't win MVP. Nah, we lost, I know,

815
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: but that's why Steve Francis. Everybody who lose.

816
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: He was on the sophomore team.

817
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, sophomore. Everybody who lose. The winners the winner team

818
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: get the MVP. Was killing highlights. Yeah, I had about

819
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: ten donks by six game for me. I mean, I

820
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: don't think you guys get the credit. Obviously, the team

821
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: I played for later in the two thousands, then we

822
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: were phrased your coin lob city. Y'all motherfuckers is really

823
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: throwing lobs though, Yeah, we was. We was. I think

824
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I think, like I said, I think the fans kind

825
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: of love the way we played. We played, we competed,

826
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: We weren't scared, you know what I'm saying. We was

827
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: all out there trying to prove ourselves from our best

828
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: player all the way to our worst player. So you know,

829
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: I think that was just the big, the big key

830
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: to everything of how we rock. And I think that's

831
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: how we got a fan base to get to the

832
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: point of this, because you know, a lot of these

833
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: fans it's twenty five years from now, but a lot

834
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: of these fans was just started being fans twenty five

835
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: years we got drafted in the two thousand.

836
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: I credit you guys for kind of starting that real

837
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: Clipper fan base because there wasn't no Clipper fan base

838
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: because I came right after you left. Right after you left,

839
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: I went to the and we went back to winning

840
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: seventeen games. We was dog shit, you know what. I mean,

841
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: but we still had a loyal You guys had built

842
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: a loyal fan base, and year by year there started

843
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: becoming more fans. And then when I went back in

844
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and thirteen twelve, we took the NBA over

845
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: with CP and.

846
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 4: Blake and DJ and JJ and me and Jamal.

847
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: But I credit you guys in that two thousands for

848
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 2: kind of building that foundation, because the Clipper fan base

849
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: wasn't shipped.

850
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: Before you begin the beginning of our rookie year. Nasty.

851
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: It was nobody.

852
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: I was like, what was the semi pro the Flint

853
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: the Flint Tropics.

854
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: Hey, I hate my fucking staff. Who did this? I didn't.

855
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: It was nobody in that motherfucker. But we started feeling

856
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: up to by the end of the year, we started

857
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: feeling up the Lord. Yeah, and you know it went

858
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: from there.

859
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: They was like the Flint Tropics at first, about eighteen

860
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: people in the stands.

861
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: Like but but people like Kadem Hardison, Penny.

862
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 4: Penny Marshall, Yeah, you had to.

863
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: Like there was like old faithfuls that we seen every

864
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: game they was in their rapping for I just guaranteed

865
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: to get the kids from Penny Marshall on their lips.

866
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: Remember the one thing I did love though, is just

867
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: La loved y'all. Yeah, La loved you and Q and

868
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: that whole team, but particularly you and Q kind of

869
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: stood to the front of what the Clippers stood for.

870
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: At that time. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's just like,

871
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, us celebrating. They kind of put the label

872
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: on kind of put the label on us. That's why

873
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: folks kind of rock with it.

874
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: In two thousand and four, you started the Purpose Score

875
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: with Chris Evans aka Captain American Scott Johansson.

876
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

877
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: The movies about kids that find out the way to

878
00:42:53,520 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: cheat on the sat is based on Young Stack. Can

879
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: you talking about it?

880
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't even really want to do that movie,

881
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: like to be real, but you I ain't want to because,

882
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: like I said, country boy, La is so busy and

883
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: it's such a different world. Like soon as the seasons though,

884
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: with I was on the first thing, smoking back home

885
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: home to kind of get that that normal sit in

886
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: the yard, play some spades, you know what I'm saying,

887
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: Just chill. So I had to go back to La

888
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: to do the audition, you know what I'm saying. So

889
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: my agent trying to get me to go back. He

890
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: was like yes for this amount of money and so forth.

891
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I'm cool. I don't really want

892
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: to do it. He was like, nah, you need to

893
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: do it. He's a big producer, is a big fan

894
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: of yours. He needs you to do it. So I

895
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: flew back to La I came and I just bullshit

896
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: at the audition like yeah, what you want? We read

897
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: about this by They all right, and I'm out. He

898
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: called you back a few hates later, like yeah, you

899
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: got the part. He was like, but you gotta go

900
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: to Vancouver for like a month and a half and

901
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: shoot your part. So it's like it's gonna take my

902
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: sum away. So I flew to Vancouver and stayed in

903
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: Vancouver for about about a month and a half and

904
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: I did the movie. Like when I was out there,

905
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Holly Berry was doing the movie. They was doing. That

906
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: was the first Jason Versus Freddy. They was doing that

907
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: out there. A lot of production was out there, especially

908
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: with Paramount, and yeah I pulled it off. Yeah it

909
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: gotta be the right role. Yeah, it gotta make sense,

910
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: the right production, like you know, like that was Paramount.

911
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: It was first, like the Red Carpet was laid all

912
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: the way out. They very professional, had a ball, you

913
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. With them with the scarlet was

914
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: like the youngest one she was like she was like

915
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: seventeen or sixteen or something like that. But Chris, everybody

916
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: else they was it was cool, you know what I'm saying.

917
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: And I was a I was big on what was

918
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: it the Superman shows? Mar No, it wasn't Marvel. It

919
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: was a small Ville. So the producer of Smallville was

920
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: the producer of the movie, So you know, I was

921
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: watching small Ville, so you know we related on that end.

922
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: So it was it was real dope. You know, I'm

923
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: glad I did it now because you know, my kids

924
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: get to get a big kick out of it. Uh,

925
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: other people get a kick out of it. We did

926
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: Van Wilder dope, right, Yeah, Yeah, we did Van Wilder too.

927
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: That was dope. We did art lists. Uh, we did

928
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: one on one with Kyle Pratt. You know what I'm

929
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: saying that just being out here in l A, like,

930
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: everybody who picked us was like, yeah, I'm a big

931
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: Clipper fan, so they asked us to come and do it.

932
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 2: I just remember every time I went to Fox Hills

933
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: sometimes somehow I saw this nigga every time I went

934
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: to Fox.

935
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 4: Hills just he was just happen to be in fox

936
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: heals himy q Uh.

937
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: We used to mess with the shoe store because you

938
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: know they and are selling joints and me and q

939
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: A being there with some Jeordans that they don't got.

940
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: Rook was in Fox Hills Moms too, for Rooke was

941
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: in Fox Hills Mall. Roof was in Fox Hills too,

942
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: So you know you're definitely gonna get that good Walker,

943
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Walker and them pro Club Walker,

944
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: Pro Club, that good Walker and they had a spot

945
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: up there. We used to eat it all the time,

946
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: the little noodles. Oh in the food court. Yeah. They

947
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: scrave it up the fire. Yeah yeah, yeah.

948
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 4: They used to fry it and put it all stick

949
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 4: all around the fire. Then they straight your plate.

950
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah that might still be there, all right, Quick hitters

951
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: man first team to come to mind. Let us know

952
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: top five big man dunkers of all time? Big man

953
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: dunkers or you were a big man though he was sixteen,

954
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: so you was in the big man category.

955
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: Two. Uh well, Kemp, Yeah, I would say Blake Griff,

956
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon special pick.

957
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 4: What about the dude that was drafted right in front

958
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 4: of you?

959
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: Stro Miles Miles Stro? Who else?

960
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 4: What about you with me? And I mean I don't

961
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 4: see why not?

962
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm didn't you leave the league in dunks? Now?

963
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: I was behind shot close shack, Yeah, you was right

964
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: up there. Well, I put me in as you should,

965
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: as you should. One album on repeat Right now, I've

966
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: been listening to the Kendrick gn X.

967
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: Shout out g X, Shout out the boy too though,

968
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: shout out Drake Wings Them niggas ain't paying us for nothing,

969
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: shout out.

970
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Both of them. Guilty I got. I had a future

971
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: little mixed little playlist that I made my future future, my.

972
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: Guy Pluto, guilty pleasure.

973
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I got old man.

974
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 4: That's really you don't feel guilty about it no more?

975
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: Oh childhood crush? Who was your childhood crush coming up?

976
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: Man?

977
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: The Longe Holly Berry, uh, the short hair chicking total

978
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: Jada Picket. You know there's a lot of it's long Listen.

979
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: We had a good era coming up.

980
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: We had to look at it coming We had a

981
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: lot to look at. What was it like meeting? Because again,

982
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 4: I know your personality.

983
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: You're not.

984
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: You don't really fan out. But what was it like

985
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: meeting the stars in La that you kind of seen

986
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: growing up?

987
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Neil Longe actually stayed right down the

988
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: street from me when I moved up Marina Dale, right

989
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: seeing her walk by, like, man, that's near. Long couldn't be.

990
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, everybody was. You got some sugar. Everybody was cool.

991
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: You know, I really ain't a big starstruck person like

992
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: it gotta be certain people like Mike Jordan's Mike Jack

993
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: five dinner.

994
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: Guess that are you plus five having a nice dinner

995
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: with some cannabis and some cocktails.

996
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: I love to have dinner with Tupac. I love to

997
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: have dinner with Biggie. I love to sit down with Obama.

998
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: I love to sit down with Mike Jack and Muhammad Ali.

999
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: So I just knew he was gonna throw moms at

1000
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: the table. I just knew he was gonna throw moms

1001
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: at that table.

1002
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 3: Sir, if you could see one person on this show,

1003
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: who would it be? But you have to help us

1004
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 3: get your answer on the show. I got to help

1005
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: to Yeah, you just said.

1006
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm working for you, Now you work for me, Nigga,

1007
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: I love to see on y'all show. That'll be dope.

1008
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: It's two people I think. I think Mike Jordan would

1009
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: be be a dope. I'm gonna keep text us. I'm

1010
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: gonna keep texting on your show. I think jay Z

1011
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: will be a dope person. Will We'll be hon it. Man.

1012
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: We appreciate your time and definitely just wanted to give

1013
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: you your flowers again. I saw your journey. You're younger

1014
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: than me, but you were ahead of me and be

1015
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: able to see what you did for the game and

1016
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: unfortunately how it had to end. But the way you

1017
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: hit rock bottom where we were able to reinvent yourself

1018
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: and like you said, for your kids, for your family,

1019
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: what you and Q were doing. Now, you guys are

1020
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: the real ojs of this ship. You know, you guys

1021
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: came before us and kind of showed us what to do,

1022
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: and then we kind of came in and you know,

1023
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: inspired a lot of other people. But we owe you

1024
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: guys a lot for kind of laying that blueprint and

1025
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: just really proud of you.

1026
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 4: Man.

1027
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's a lot of people don't make

1028
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: it out of the shit you went through. I mean,

1029
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: these people got the kind of the PG version of

1030
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: what you had to bring yourself out of. But knowing

1031
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: you for a long time and knowing where your heart

1032
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: is and what kind of man you are, man, it

1033
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: just makes me proud to say that, you know, you're

1034
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: a brother, man and we appreciate you.

1035
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: Man. Also, also let me let me touch on that too.

1036
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 3: You know, people always give us our props on the

1037
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: podcast space and being creatives, but y'all was one of

1038
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: the first to do.

1039
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all somebody who inspired us for you.

1040
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: So I said, so, we want to give your props

1041
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: up that space because a lot of people tend to

1042
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: give us our problems.

1043
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 4: Did be in this space, didn't. I just say that.

1044
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying a lot of people, a lot of

1045
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: people this, This is what I'm saying.

1046
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh to me, a lot of people give us our

1047
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: problems everywhere we go and to try to give us

1048
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: a popase like we started it. But we gave it

1049
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 3: to y'all. Yeah, we we know where we've seen it first.

1050
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So I just wanted to

1051
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: clarify that on our podcast while you're here.

1052
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: I just say, man, everything been great for me ever

1053
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: since I stopped hanging around Jackson. Been all uphill since then.

1054
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. House hold up, bro, we gotta give you,

1055
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: We gotta give you. It's a parting gifts man should

1056
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: that's a rad man. Give it up for Darius Miles, Sir.

1057
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: My brother black attack. Nobody I hate more than him.

1058
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: He said.

1059
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: My life, my life has been so much better since

1060
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 2: I was worst friend.

1061
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: It's the worst friend I've ever had in my life.

1062
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: His name is Darius Miles. He's the only person that

1063
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: calls me with insults and hangs up.