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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday, A little ladies Friday show

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Speaker 2: for everyone. How's it going, Emily, It's going great. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's up with the guys.

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Speaker 4: They'd been working hard.

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Speaker 2: We'll give it that.

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Speaker 3: We'll give them that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Ryan Griffin, we're both in New York.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know a lot going.

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Speaker 5: There's a one hundred degrees.

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Speaker 2: I am seriously, I don't know how you do in

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Speaker 2: that weather. I just am not cut out for it.

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Speaker 2: I will take a delicate flower.

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Speaker 3: Hey, but you're a Virginians, so you should be used

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 2: I know, but I don't. I just can't. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There's something about the way I'm I'm put together that

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't go that well. And I'm really and

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Speaker 2: I'm a really sweaty person, like oh nice, oh I sweat,

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Speaker 2: so it's disgusting. So yeah, I was very glad when

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Speaker 2: I saw that situation because I was tempted to be

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Speaker 2: jealous that they were the Zoran watch Party because that

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Speaker 2: the like the energy seems super fun. But then I

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Speaker 2: remembered it was like one hundred degrees and it was like, no,

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Speaker 2: it's better for me to be here.

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Speaker 3: So now I wish that I had seen you watch party,

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Speaker 3: because you're making it sound like this like freakish, like

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Speaker 3: there's some genetic anomaly in your.

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Speaker 2: It borders it borders on freaquish, freakish. You have to

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Speaker 2: be honest with you. I don't know if there's any

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Speaker 2: other swimmers out there, but the many of the sweatiest

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Speaker 2: women that I know are swimmers, so I don't know

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Speaker 2: if there's something about like all that time in the pool. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: this is way too much too much information for a friend.

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Speaker 3: I know, it is but I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 2: In any case, there's a lot to get to. We've

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Speaker 2: got updates on Iran. We'll do play some clips from

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Speaker 2: the little Pete heag Seth performance yesterday that was kind

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Speaker 2: of interesting. And we've got new potential deal with Iran,

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Speaker 2: new potential deal with Israel. Also some horrifying reporting from

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Speaker 2: Haretz about this won't necessarily come as a surprise, but

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Speaker 2: they actually got soldiers to confess that the AID massacres

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Speaker 2: are intentional, that they know these are innocent people that

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Speaker 2: they're sluttering as a matter of course. So talk about

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Speaker 2: that bunch of stuff going on with Zoran Richie Torrez

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Speaker 2: defending him, some Republican congressman saying he should be denaturalized

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Speaker 2: and deported. You've got a bunch of Democratic leaders who

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Speaker 2: are you know at Krek, Kirsten Gillibrand just like aggressively

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Speaker 2: racistly attacking him, Kathy Hochel sort of I guess, keeping

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Speaker 2: her options open. It's like, y'all, this is the Democratic nominee.

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Speaker 2: Voters chose him, So what happened to the whole vote?

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Speaker 4: Blue?

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Speaker 2: No matter who?

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Speaker 4: Thing?

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Speaker 2: Zoren also was on CNN, so interesting clips there, so

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Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff going on there. Donors are plotting

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Speaker 2: to try to see what they can do to, you know,

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Speaker 2: that they're apparently terrified of. We've also got the Jeff

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Speaker 2: Bezos wedding that you were interested in chatting about, so

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Speaker 2: we got that. We also have Peter Teal getting asked

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Speaker 2: if he's anti christ by Rosstatat of course, and it's

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Speaker 2: sort of like yeah, and him, it's like sort of

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Speaker 2: awkwardly contemplating whether that could be the case for a moment,

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Speaker 2: so that.

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Speaker 3: On the New York Times podcast. I mean, where else

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Speaker 3: should you be contemplating such things? But on the podcast

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Speaker 3: why not?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I have Ross in a certain sense

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Speaker 2: kind of the perfect person to ask this question. Right.

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Speaker 3: You've also neglected to tease that we have a wonderful

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Speaker 3: Eric Adams Club. It's not the best Eric Adams clip,

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Speaker 3: but it's a good Eric Adams clip.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the competition is so it's so stiff that.

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Speaker 3: He's now he's now in competition with Lori Lightfoot for

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Speaker 3: like Greatest Blue Mayor.

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Speaker 2: Like it's oh, he's in terms of the content there

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Speaker 2: he has no, there's no comparison. You know that the

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Speaker 2: searching of the child's room video is legendary, Like, you

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Speaker 2: in one word New York because you can see someone

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Speaker 2: you can't beat this guy in terms of content. You

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Speaker 2: can't beat him.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, you're cooked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean your helal cart video was great, zoron,

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Speaker 2: but I'm sorry. You just you can't compete with that

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Speaker 2: kind of that kind of inspired content creation truly.

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Speaker 3: Can't come for the king.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's right, all right. So let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and jump in with some of what's going on

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Speaker 2: with this Pete Hegseth presser yesterday. Should we start with

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Speaker 2: him raging at his former colleagues or should we start

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Speaker 2: with his uh dictating that the media needs to talk

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Speaker 2: more about how how you know good our fighter pilots are?

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Speaker 2: Which one do you prefer?

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Speaker 3: Both are good? Maybe we shoul start at the fighter

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Speaker 3: pilots because the Jennifer Griffin clip gets us into that

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Speaker 2: Yes, very true, all right, let me get rid of

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Speaker 2: my dms here, let me slow down to one point

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Speaker 2: Here is Pete Hegsath yesterday. And this whole purpose of

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Speaker 2: this briefing was to rebut the idea that the nuclear

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Speaker 2: program in Iran was not completely obliterated and to insist

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Speaker 2: that it was, and mostly to berate the media, I

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Speaker 2: think was the true purpose of it. So let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and take a.

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Speaker 5: Listen to this.

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Speaker 6: How many stories have been written about how hard it

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Speaker 6: is to, I don't know, fly a plane for thirty

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Speaker 5: Has MSNBC done that story? As Fox?

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Speaker 6: Have we done the story how hard that is? Have

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Speaker 6: people understand, How about how difficult it is to shoot

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Speaker 6: to refuel mid air, giving the American people an understanding

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Speaker 6: of how complex.

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Speaker 5: And sophisticated this mission really was.

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Speaker 6: There are so many aspects of what our brave men

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Speaker 5: That because of the hatred of this press, corps.

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Speaker 6: Are undermined, because your people are trying to leak and

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Speaker 6: spin that it wasn't successful.

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Speaker 5: It's irresponsible, and folks in this.

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Speaker 6: Room are privy to that information because of the proximity

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Speaker 6: here in the Pentagon.

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Speaker 5: It's an important responsibility.

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Speaker 6: And time and time again, classified information is leaked.

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Speaker 5: Or pedaled for political purposes to try to make the

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Speaker 5: president look bad.

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Speaker 6: And what's really happening is you're undermining the success of

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Speaker 6: incredible B two pilots and incredible F thirty five pilots,

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Speaker 6: and incredible refuelers and incredible air defenders who accomplish their

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Speaker 6: mission set back a nuclear program in ways that other

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Speaker 6: presidents would have dreamed.

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Speaker 2: How about so Emily, there's a lot going on here,

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Speaker 2: but it reminds me so much of the attacks that

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Speaker 2: those of us who were against the Iraq war received

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Speaker 2: back in the days, in the day of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: if you don't support this war, then you hate the troops,

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Speaker 2: You hate the troops, you hate America, you're unpatriotic. And

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Speaker 2: so here he is saying, like, you know, what the

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Speaker 2: media really needs to cover is how difficult these missions are.

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Speaker 2: I don't doubt that's the case. But it also gets

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Speaker 2: of many things that are driven me crazy about the

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Speaker 2: way that the administration is talking about this is they

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Speaker 2: act like it's something special for an American president to

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Speaker 2: be able to drop bombs on a place, and that's

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Speaker 2: actually the easiest thing in the world to do. The

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Speaker 2: our lifetimes is to not drop bombs and to get

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Speaker 2: us out of conflicts rather than get us into conflicts.

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Speaker 2: So what did you make of Pete Haggs's little performance here?

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Speaker 3: He sort of reminded me of like my basketball coach, like,

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Speaker 3: how many of you have thanked the point guard for.

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Speaker 5: All these rebounds?

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Speaker 3: How many of you have done that two times, three times?

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Speaker 3: It was just like, you know, from their perspective, to

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Speaker 3: a TV performer like Pete hegseth absolutely laying into the

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Speaker 3: media over something. The kernel here is legitimate. Someone leaked

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Speaker 3: part of an intelligence report and we're about to get

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Speaker 3: it was something that said the administration strike was not successful.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm curious whether these reporters, these Pentagon reporters, allow

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Speaker 3: because that's basically what they were. That's it.

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Speaker 2: But Emily, you also have to say, like, I think

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Speaker 2: there's two things going on here. Number One, I don't

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Speaker 2: doubt that whoever leaks this information wants us to get

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Speaker 2: But I also don't doubt that the information was accurate

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Speaker 2: because we now have corroborating information from other sources that say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the enricheranium is probably removed, Yeah, it was not really

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Speaker 2: completely obliterated. In fact, even the things this administration has

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Speaker 2: been completely obliterated. So, yes, you have a motivated actor

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Speaker 2: So if you're a journalist, oh, you have a response,

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Speaker 2: you have a response. It's not the journalists fault, Like

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Speaker 2: you have a responsibility to put out information that is

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Speaker 2: accurate and will help people understand the fact that the

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Speaker 2: truth of the matter is. Trump wants to claim a

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Speaker 2: victory and Okay, if that's going to let him not

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Speaker 2: go back to this war, which by the way, I'm

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Speaker 2: still skeptical about whatever, but it is probably a lie.

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Speaker 2: And you know, so they want to attack the media

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Speaker 2: over presenting what is in all likelihood accurate but yes,

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Speaker 2: motivated information. But almost every leak, whether it's from within

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Speaker 2: common that it will be a motivated leak to try

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Speaker 2: to achieve some information, and you know, one way or another.

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Speaker 2: So if you're as a journalist not going to publish that,

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Speaker 2: then you're picking and choosing what information the American public

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Speaker 5: Oh totally.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting to see Pete Hegseth in this situation

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Speaker 3: because to your point, and any Trump administration official in

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Speaker 7: It's about highly enriched uranium. Do you have certainty that

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Speaker 6: But Jennifer, you've been about the worst, the one who

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Speaker 2: have this hardline zero enrichment policy. It shows you that

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Speaker 2: again in terms of their stated goals, the military action

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Speaker 2: set them back from being able to achieve some sort

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Speaker 2: of diplomatic and may have made such a thing completely impossible.

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Speaker 3: And that gets again to the question of what the

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Speaker 3: intelligence actually is, because if Iran is coming to the

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Speaker 3: table with no nuclear weapons or well not weapons but

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Speaker 3: no nuclear capacity and no highly enriched uranium or no

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Speaker 3: ability to quickly enrich uranium, then they're in a different

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Speaker 3: spot at the negotiating table. So it's just we don't

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Speaker 3: know right now, and I don't know that the Trump

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Speaker 3: administration knows right now because they don't have full intelligence yet.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's go ahead and jump to Zoron.

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Speaker 2: Since we've got Weigel waiting, let me go ahead and

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Speaker 2: welcome him in. Hey, Dave, Weigel. How's it going.

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Speaker 4: That's good, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, you hear, It's okay, and all that

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Speaker 2: good stuff I do. Yeah, excellent. So curious to get

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Speaker 2: your thoughts first of all, before I planning elements or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what is just your sort of takeaway of

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Speaker 2: the significance of Zoran's win and decisive victory over Andrew

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Speaker 2: Cuomo in this week's Democrat A primary for New York

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Speaker 2: City mayor.

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Speaker 4: I don't you want to argue with the hyperbole. Often

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Speaker 4: people overrate. I think there's an overrating of what this

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Speaker 4: means for every Democrat everywhere. For what it means in

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Speaker 4: New York, this city has been Democrats have been voting

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Speaker 4: for progressive candidates people they thought for progressive candidates for

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Speaker 4: a while, since twenty thirteen, build a Blasio. But the

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Speaker 4: amount of things Zorn did and said that the media

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Speaker 4: establishment said we're disqualifying, and the voters didn't care about

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Speaker 4: that was fascinating. So the idea that New York Democrats say,

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Speaker 4: we're tired of austerity and we don't need it right now.

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Speaker 7: And we.

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Speaker 4: That I think was intensified because Trump was president and

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Speaker 4: Zorn's strategy was always see where the puck is moving.

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Speaker 4: Don't just run a twenty twenty two campaign where you're

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Speaker 4: going to apologize for their being crime. Run on affordability,

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Speaker 4: run on housing. That made sense, But the degree to

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Speaker 4: which he got more votes than Eric Adams did in

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Speaker 4: the final round of voting last time, he got more

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Speaker 4: votes than I think anyone who's won this primary since

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Speaker 4: David Dinkins in eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: This Yeah, And you know New York's population has grown

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Speaker 4: a bit, but the Democratic Democratic electorates has dipped. Sometimes.

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Speaker 4: They just didn't the idea that he was going to

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Speaker 4: be disqualified by being a socialist or criticizing Israel in

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Speaker 4: the ways that he was happy to do, or having

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Speaker 4: tweeted about defunding the police. That was significant, just that

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Speaker 4: he was not disqualified, That Guomo was disqualified. There are

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Speaker 4: so many elements to this, but just the reason he

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Speaker 4: was covered to somebody who was interesting but probably not

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Speaker 4: going to win those merits and re examination. A lot

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Speaker 4: of New Yorkers said, no, I'm fine with it. I'm

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Speaker 4: fine with everything else he's saying, because I went to

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Speaker 4: my city to be more affordable.

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Speaker 3: Right, And the question now is whether that extends beyond

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Speaker 3: the Democratic primary, we have this video. Ken Clippenstein posted

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Speaker 3: that we'll get your reaction to Dave of Zoran going

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Speaker 3: on CNN with Burnette. Much more of this to come, surely,

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Speaker 3: but let me go ahead and play this video and

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Speaker 3: get your reactions of capitalism.

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Speaker 8: And I think ultimately the definition for me of why

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Speaker 8: I call myself a democratic socialist is the words of

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Speaker 8: doctor King decades ago. He said, call it democracy or

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Speaker 8: call it democratic socialism. There must be a better distribution

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Speaker 8: of wealth for all of God's children in this country.

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Speaker 8: And that's what I'm focused on, is dignity and taking

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Speaker 8: on income inequality.

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Speaker 4: Do you like capitalism?

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Speaker 8: No, I have many critiques of capitalism, and I think

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Speaker 8: ultimately the definition Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's going to get this NonStop from now until November. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And also but look at LOOKU won the financial district.

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Speaker 4: It's not that everyone who works in financially they live,

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Speaker 4: they live, they live in fancier places people who work

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Speaker 4: in financial districts. But yeah, this was not an athema,

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Speaker 4: This was not just qualifying for people. And I mean

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Speaker 4: trying not to just recapitulate the last fifteen years of

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Speaker 4: politics Plicans. No, Republicans who are now attacking him. They

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Speaker 4: know that there's just a collapse of faith in every institution,

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Speaker 4: uh even even theirs, even the even even the ones

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Speaker 4: that they control right now. But being the party side

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Speaker 4: of Donald Trump win and down Trump win by saying

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Speaker 4: I'm going to protect Wall Street. I love capitalism, he didn't.

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Speaker 4: It's assumed he loves capitalism and say he hates it

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Speaker 4: is he's a critic. But the idea of a rig

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Speaker 4: of a rig system, there have been different ways to

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Speaker 4: talk about that. We've had ten years now at Bernie

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Speaker 4: Sanders talking about it his way. We've had ten years

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Speaker 4: of polls. Now, Bernie has never been a general election

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Speaker 4: where he could beat him up with a billion dollars

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Speaker 4: of ads. But but Poles saying, yeah, the guy who

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Speaker 4: says as a socialist need and he thinks banks are

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Speaker 4: destroyed or screwing us, and healthcare companies screwing us, I

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Speaker 4: agree with that guy. There's just so much overlap. Joe

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Speaker 4: Rogan's very helpful here, but shows like this personify this.

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Speaker 4: And so when I hear the Bill Lackman's of the World,

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Speaker 4: you shudder at that and say, well, this is going

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Speaker 4: to make capital flee from from the city. Look, there

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Speaker 4: are other externalities there but you but there are there

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Speaker 4: are Trump voters. There are people who vote who voted

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Speaker 4: against Harris for Trump, I should say, in New York

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Speaker 4: who voted for Mom Donnie. And it's in that delta

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Speaker 4: is those people who say, yeah, all the systems are rigged.

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Speaker 4: And Eric Adams, who a lot of them probably also

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Speaker 4: voted for, seemed like he was bowing down to donors,

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Speaker 4: cutting services, reversing promises he made when people gave him money.

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Speaker 4: If you say you're against that, even if you say

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Speaker 4: you don't love capitalism, again, I'm pretty easy for a

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Speaker 4: lot of people to swallow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about some of the scrambling you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Bill Ackman that's happening right now behind the scenes to

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Speaker 2: try to you know, for anyone but zoron effort for

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Speaker 2: this fall. And let's also keep in mind Eric Adams

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Speaker 2: has a twenty percent approval rating in New York City.

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Speaker 2: That is the lowest for any New York City mayor

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Speaker 2: as long as they've been doing polling, and well earned

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Speaker 2: because he is a sort of cartoonishly corrupt, likely criminal mayor.

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Speaker 2: The number of people who were like indicted or resigned

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Speaker 2: from his administration in shame. I've completely lost track of

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Speaker 2: at this point, he only is able to get out

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Speaker 2: of his charges by appearing to make some directly corrupt

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Speaker 2: deal with the Trump administration. Not exactly beloved within New

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Speaker 2: York City. And yet now you have business leaders who

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Speaker 2: are like, uh, maybe we've got to just stick with

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Speaker 2: Eric Adams. Cuomo was also now said he's sort of

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Speaker 2: waiting to see he's going to keep his ballot line

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Speaker 2: and wait to see whether he actively competes in the fall.

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Speaker 2: But you've got this New York Times report about Eric

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Speaker 2: Adams meeting with business leaders who are desperate to stop

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Speaker 2: mom Donnie's rise. Mentioned in here is you've got the

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Speaker 2: Polymarket CEO in here, among others. Uh so, what do

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Speaker 2: you know, Dave, about the sort of efforts that are

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Speaker 2: going on with these business leaders to try to figure

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Speaker 2: out some anyone but Zoron kind of a strategy.

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Speaker 4: You summed it up pretty well. They're they're flopping around,

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Speaker 4: They're not they're not quite sure what to do. They're

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Speaker 4: they're looking for some diotix mac gonna that that will

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Speaker 4: prevent him. You even have Andy Ogle's the trollish congressman

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Speaker 4: from Nashville. I wonder if there's some way to board him.

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Speaker 4: There was a panic because they know that, Yes, it.

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Speaker 2: Was so aggressive that it caused even Richie Torres to

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Speaker 2: defend Zoron.

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Speaker 4: No totally tell him how out there that was. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: absolutely absolutely, and I do I wonder for them that's

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Speaker 4: going to backfire. But what they're what they're doing right

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Speaker 4: now is honestly, again, people forget that a Blasio reaction

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Speaker 4: a different, different climate. But if you go back and

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Speaker 4: read the coverage whin to Blasio won the primary in

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Speaker 4: twenty thirteen because he won a large part running and

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Speaker 4: stopping frisk, there was a lot of the same editorializing

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Speaker 4: it was New York is going to implode, crime is

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Speaker 4: going to surge, the wealthy are going to leave the city,

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Speaker 4: and Mom Donnie other parts of that scene and interview

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Speaker 4: which I watched yesterday, he says, one, there's data that

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Speaker 4: says most people who are leaving New York are actually

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Speaker 4: working class people who can't afford it. And two they

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Speaker 4: say this all the time, and the other just to say,

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Speaker 4: Mom Donnie's premise and this is the thing that to

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Speaker 4: be fair to actman if I want to. He just

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Speaker 4: doesn't believe Mondanni's premise. And I interviewed him a few

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Speaker 4: weeks ago about this is you need to prove that

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Speaker 4: you vote for progressive you pay taxes and things get better,

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Speaker 4: and people have not been doing that. Every Democrat agrees

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Speaker 4: like there's has been this overlap between the as reclined

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Speaker 4: abundance people and this are on people, whether I've like

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Speaker 4: it or not, because that's where they agree. They want

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Speaker 4: Republicans to not win elections, and they worry when Democrats

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Speaker 4: win and screw up their Republicans win. So this is

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Speaker 4: where the Adams theory is not very compelling. He's saying

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Speaker 4: that the city has improved since he got elected, and

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Speaker 4: it has in some ways. Crime is down, but it

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Speaker 4: got more expensive. He has no answer for how it

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Speaker 4: got more expensive. It's is the same position Kamala Harris

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Speaker 4: is in last year and the Mandanni. It's very well

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Speaker 4: put up put by him. I have to I praised

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Speaker 4: him too much, but I interviewed him. He says it everywhere.

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Speaker 4: It's he looks at Bernie Sanders and Burlington or progressive

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Speaker 4: mayors in other cities.

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Speaker 3: They have it.

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Speaker 4: All the successes who raise some taxes and then suddenly

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Speaker 4: you're seeing more public transit, you're seeing better services. Is

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Speaker 4: if you gave an actman the chance to pay her

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Speaker 4: taxes and he never had to be not that he

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Speaker 4: takes a subway, but see homeless people sleeping on the subway,

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Speaker 4: would he take it. It's a quality of life thing

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Speaker 4: that mont Donnie's running on. These folks were talking about,

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Speaker 4: don't believe because they have a vision that socialists are

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Speaker 4: just going to direct the economy and everyone's gonna be

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Speaker 4: on the streets. This is their view of what happened

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Speaker 4: in San Francisco. I get that, but the Mount Donnie

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Speaker 4: premise is, you know, we're going to raise taxes and

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Speaker 4: improve things to everybody. When congestion pricing, I'm not trying

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Speaker 4: to swerve too much, but talking to people when I

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Speaker 4: was in New York covering this race, they're saying, that's

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Speaker 4: an example. It's a tax. It has made more people

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Speaker 4: go in public transit. That's been fine. There have not

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Speaker 4: been a crisis. It's not really been working class people

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Speaker 4: use who are changing their habits. That's been well. For

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Speaker 4: people who are no longer driving into the city. They progressive.

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Speaker 4: If there are anything, but please vote for us because

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Speaker 4: Republicans screwed up. They need to be the party that

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Speaker 4: can win and govern well and will include raising taxes

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Speaker 4: on people. That that is the premise. They just don't

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Speaker 4: buy it because every in their mind, every liberal city

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Speaker 4: is San Francisco, but some liberal cities are Boston. Some

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Speaker 4: cities are able to do this a lot better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Mayor Wilhelm does also loom large over

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Speaker 3: this because and I but I also sense that mom

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Speaker 3: Donnie is aware of that because as he has his

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Speaker 3: communications director told us on election night that it's really

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Speaker 3: important for them to talk about tangibles and deliverables instead

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Speaker 3: of values are actually Mom Donnie told us instead of

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Speaker 3: values and ideas, And that juxtaposition that like it has

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Speaker 3: to be about it sort of reminds me what you're

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Speaker 3: saying on the abundance front. It's like about putting things

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Speaker 3: in front of people and making the social compact like

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Speaker 3: more obvious so that it doesn't look like somebody's just

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Speaker 3: talking about the police being racist and then crime goes up.

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Speaker 3: You want people talking about the city being too expensive

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Speaker 3: and having the rent go down or their rent be

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Speaker 3: frozen or something like that. It just seems that he's

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Speaker 3: actually sort of very aware of that dynamic too.

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Speaker 6: He is.

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Speaker 4: And there are people we have been talking about who

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Speaker 4: view this a different way because the left is pretty

665
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Speaker 4: global and it's thinking, as you guys know, the right,

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Speaker 4: here's socialism, it thinks pulpot and the left says, here's socialism,

667
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Speaker 4: it thinks like Oslo or Stockholm or Copenhagen or something.

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Speaker 4: And what you've seen in the last forty eight hours

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Speaker 4: is other elements of the right not even going beyond

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Speaker 4: what Ackman's saying and saying. This is Charlie Kirsch, this

671
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Speaker 4: is Matt Walsh, this is Ogels to an extent, saying well,

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Speaker 4: this is what happens when you let in immigrants and

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Speaker 4: they turned the city into a Third world hellhole. And

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Speaker 4: their premise is that is going beyond the economic argument

675
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Speaker 4: and saying that, well, pluralism and mass immigration doesn't work,

676
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Speaker 4: and he's going to be the mayor of mass immigration

677
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Speaker 4: that'll wreck the city. He wants to bring his anti

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Speaker 4: colonial values from Uganda and India and wreck the cunt tree.

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Speaker 4: I've noticed. I bring that up not because Acman's saying that,

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Speaker 4: it's because there really is this cacophony of reasons not

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Speaker 4: to trust Mom Dannie. And you've seen also this comparison

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Speaker 4: to London, which is very popular JD Vans who made

683
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Speaker 4: this joke, I think just once, but you've seen the

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Speaker 4: clip a bunch of times saying you know, what's what's

685
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Speaker 4: the first Islamist nuclear power going to be? It might

686
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Speaker 4: be the UK because there are all these Muslims living

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Speaker 4: living in the UK living, and there's a Muslim mare

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Speaker 4: of London. But again I've I've been London fairly recently.

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Speaker 4: There are things that could improve, but people pay a

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Speaker 4: lot to live there. It has congestion pricing, it has

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Speaker 4: some homelessness, it has a lot of things where if

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Speaker 4: you copied them in American City, you'd say that's working

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Speaker 4: really well and it's worth paying for all that. So

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Speaker 4: that is that is the challenge is part of you're right,

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Speaker 4: the Deblaso experience looms. But the first term in Deblasio

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Speaker 4: people were pretty happy with it was the criminal defist

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Speaker 4: perform movement and the other big topics that you put

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Speaker 4: into it. But the intersection of crimindust reform happening just

699
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Speaker 4: when COVID happened, how much of the rising crime was

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Speaker 4: people shutting down and social cohesion breaking down? How much

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Speaker 4: of it with bail reform and things like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Tom Dundee, and I did not run on his twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty positions about defunding the police. He said that he's

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Speaker 4: just going to hire more people to make the city

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Speaker 4: safer without fighting with the end of NYPD, without shrinking it.

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Speaker 4: That is important too. I want to see how that

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Speaker 4: is litigated because right now there is Democrats who's like

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Speaker 4: Cursey jail Brand, who have not endorsed him yet are

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Speaker 4: saying they want to talk to him, and I, honestly

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Speaker 4: I have an open mind about that. I want to

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Speaker 4: see as he does these interviews. He's very accessible. What

712
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Speaker 4: he says he might tack in if he no longer says, hey,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to I'm going to be there and we're

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Speaker 4: actually not going to touch the NYPD, We're just going

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Speaker 4: to hire more public safety officials. Is that offensive to

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Speaker 4: Bill Ackman? Do they not trust it? Because that's actually

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Speaker 4: what's been happening in places like Philadelphia and Boston Standy

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Speaker 4: eggobs obviously places where Democrats run things, but you don't

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Speaker 4: care nightmare stories about how scary they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bill Ackman and the CNBC crew. There's

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Speaker 2: nothing that Zoron is going to say that's going to

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Speaker 2: satisfy you know. I mean Akman has the twin concerns

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Speaker 2: of like, oh my god, he's an anti Semiti and

724
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Speaker 2: it's going to be sure Rea law and also that

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Speaker 2: you know, God forbid that people get taxed a little

726
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Speaker 2: bit more and buses are free, you know, like he has.

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Speaker 2: And there's no amount of assuaging of those types that

728
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Speaker 2: is going to ultimately satisfy them. And I don't even

729
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Speaker 2: know that that would benefit Zoron because the fact of

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Speaker 2: their freak count, in my opinion, benefits him. It proves

731
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Speaker 2: that he's uncomfortable for them. But you brought up Kirston Jilbrand.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your reacting. I'm sure you listen

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Speaker 2: to her on this radio show. I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: play a piece of it because it's like six minutes long,

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Speaker 2: but you'll get a sense. So a caller calls into

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Speaker 2: Brian Lair's radio show and is asking about, you know,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, isn't Zoron antisemitic? And what's your response

738
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Speaker 2: to this? And Center Kirsten Gillibrand is on the show,

739
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Speaker 2: and interestingly, Larr is actually trying to someone defends. Zoron,

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Speaker 2: who he spoke with, had asked some of these questions too,

741
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Speaker 2: and the specific thing they start getting hung up on

742
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Speaker 2: was Zorn's explanation of why he won't condemn the phrase

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Speaker 2: globalize the into fada, and I'm going to pick up

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Speaker 2: here you can hear. I think this part that I'm

745
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Speaker 2: about to press play on is where Lair is trying

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Speaker 2: to say, you know, I uh, I understand, this is

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Speaker 2: why people are concerned, but this is also something that

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Speaker 2: he hasn't himself personally said. So let me go ahead

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Speaker 2: and see if we can start this here.

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Speaker 9: Then he has supported or has supported violenceihawk, As that

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Speaker 9: caller was asserted, can you.

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Speaker 10: Again, Brian, I don't have all the data information, and

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Speaker 10: I've never sat down with mister mom Donnie, so I've

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Speaker 10: asked to have that meeting. I'm going to have that meeting.

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Speaker 10: We will talk through all these things. He can tell

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Speaker 10: me his views of the world and I can learn

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Speaker 10: them firsthand. I think the reference that I had read

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Speaker 10: with global intofada specifically, which is has very serious meetings

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Speaker 10: that are violent and destructive.

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Speaker 9: So it's which he says, and I pressed him on

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Speaker 9: this on the show on Monday, but which he says

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Speaker 9: are not calls for violence because into fada is a

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Speaker 9: much broader term involved in all kinds of uprisings and

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Speaker 9: resistance and things like that. So I just want to

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Speaker 9: be clear about how, at least he defines it, and

766
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Speaker 9: maybe he needs to be more clear. I don't mean this.

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Speaker 9: I don't mean that. He did say here that he

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Speaker 9: didn't want to be the word police, even as the

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Speaker 9: mayor of New York if he's elected. But I do

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Speaker 9: also want to be clear, and he said he does

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Speaker 9: not support violent into fada. Is that there?

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Speaker 10: So, Brian, I didn't hear your exchange with him, but

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Speaker 10: if I was speaking to him directly, I would simply

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Speaker 10: say that is not how the words are received. And

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Speaker 10: it doesn't matter what meaning you have in your brain,

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Speaker 10: it is not how the word is received. And when

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Speaker 10: you use a word like intofada to many Jewish Americans

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Speaker 10: and Jewish New Yorkers, that means you are permissive for

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Speaker 10: violence against Jews. It is a serious word. It is

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Speaker 10: a word that has deep meaning. It has been used

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Speaker 10: for wars across time and violent and destruction and slaughter

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Speaker 10: and murder against the Jews. It is a harmful, hurtful,

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Speaker 10: inappropriate word for anyone who wants to represent a city

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Speaker 10: as diverse as New York City with eight million people.

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Speaker 10: And I would be very specific in these words, and

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Speaker 10: I would say you may not use them again if

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Speaker 10: you expect to represent everyone ever again, because they are

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Speaker 10: received as hateful and divisive and harmful.

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Speaker 2: And that's it.

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Speaker 10: So I appreciate that he told you he didn't mean that,

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Speaker 10: and that's great.

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Speaker 9: That's also clarify or he was clarifying that he never

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Speaker 9: said globalized the antifader. He was asked in an interview

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Speaker 9: if he would denounce the phrase globalize the Intifada, and

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Speaker 9: then that led to this kind of conversation. You know

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Speaker 9: that you were just referring to, but that he was

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Speaker 9: never out there saying globalized the antifighter. He was asked

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Speaker 9: about other people who used it. So just just to

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Speaker 9: be precise about about what happened there.

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Speaker 10: Yes, well, as a leader of the city of diverses,

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Speaker 10: New York City with eight million people, as the largest

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Speaker 10: Jewish population in the country, he should denounce it. And

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Speaker 10: that's it, period, and you can't celebrate it. You can't

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Speaker 10: value it, you can't lift it up. And that is

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Speaker 10: what That is the challenge that Jewish New Yorkers have had,

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Speaker 10: certainly since October next it is assuming October seventh. It

807
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Speaker 10: is exactly what they have felt. It is why Jewish

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Speaker 10: students in our universities have felt unsafe. It is why

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Speaker 10: Jewish students have felt that their schools did not have

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Speaker 10: their backs and cared about them or their learning. Because

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Speaker 10: the people doing these protests use words that have meetings

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Speaker 10: that are far more violent and horrific than they may

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Speaker 10: have intended.

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Speaker 2: So anyway we get the sense of what a Delibrand

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Speaker 2: is up to there, David, what is your reaction to

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Speaker 2: Kirsten Gilibrand, you know, picking up on this is one

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Speaker 2: of the things that Cuomo and Whitney Tilson and all

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Speaker 2: sorts of others in the primary tried to, you know,

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Speaker 2: to corners or on on and to make him unacceptable

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Speaker 2: because he's supposedly anti Semite, who you know, supports violence

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Speaker 2: against Jewish people. And clearly in the primary context this

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Speaker 2: did not work. And in fact, I think it's possible

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Speaker 2: actually inord to his benefit, because while on the debate stage,

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Speaker 2: all the other candidates were clamoring for saying how quickly

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Speaker 2: they would run to this or that foreign country, most

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Speaker 2: prominently Israel. He says, I'm going to be the mayor

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Speaker 2: who stays here in New York and delivers for people,

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Speaker 2: including Jewish people here in the city.

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Speaker 4: A couple of things about that interview, I think a

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Speaker 4: different part she says she doesn't want to be the

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Speaker 4: word police, but being mayor sometimes you got to be

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Speaker 4: the word police. That's not crazy. So when I heard

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Speaker 4: that Bulwark interview, which is where this answer came from,

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Speaker 4: I remind me a little bit of Bernie Sanders winning

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Speaker 4: the Vada caucuses and then Anderson Cooper Asenholm that Cuba

836
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Speaker 4: not a top voting issue for Democrats and standers is

837
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Speaker 4: not backing down, and you do have that choice right

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Speaker 4: as politicians to not back down. And generally Mom, Donnie

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Speaker 4: has never has not backed down. This is a answer

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Speaker 4: on should Israel exist as a Jewish state has been

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Speaker 4: it should exist as a democratic state with rights for everybody.

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Speaker 5: I E know, I E.

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Speaker 4: It shouldn't be what it is right now, which should

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Speaker 4: it should change its constitution basically, and that shocked people

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Speaker 4: because you're usually not you know, can't say that in

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Speaker 4: New York can win election. An he won an election.

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Speaker 4: So you're right that Democratic voters did not see this

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Speaker 4: as a litless test worth voting against him on. That

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Speaker 4: is that is a factor in this race that has

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Speaker 4: huge applications for.

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Speaker 2: Many Jewish voters, including well, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look a the neighborhoods he won.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And so the idea that and this is very very

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Speaker 4: prominent story is you go to the neighborhood, you ask

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Speaker 4: me what they're They're scared. They say they're scared. What's

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Speaker 4: the context though? Six months of don Trump being president

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Speaker 4: and Columbia University having money pulled away from it, people

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Speaker 4: being deported because they criticize this role and they have visus. Uh,

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Speaker 4: the context changed in the last six months. It went

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Speaker 4: from who I feel unsafe because of this rhetoric to

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Speaker 4: it looks like I'm not allowed to criticize this country anymore.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying these are different people we're talking

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Speaker 4: about who had these reactions. But I think, one, mom,

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Speaker 4: Donny benefit from that, but two he has what is

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Speaker 4: he going to choose just to not say some things that,

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Speaker 4: beyond losing votes, would make people worry? And he said that.

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Speaker 4: Another point says victory speech, he sort of needs to

869
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Speaker 4: he needs to speak for everybody, even if he didn't

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Speaker 4: vote for him. How was he going to interpret that?

871
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Speaker 4: Does that mean he's gonna he's going to piss off

872
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Speaker 4: some people who vote over him by not renouncing bds,

873
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Speaker 4: which he has not renounced these sports bds, but not

874
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Speaker 4: using some of these phrases. You don't want to be

875
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Speaker 4: in an announcement with Olympics, which which sometimes happens in

876
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Speaker 4: campaigns where you're asking to anounce this statement, that statement,

877
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Speaker 4: this Endorsemer saysn't crazy to do denounce it. But again

878
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Speaker 4: he said in November twenty twenty on Twitter, queer liberation

879
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Speaker 4: means defund the police. And he's not running around every

880
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Speaker 4: TV show is saying yes, I still mean the queer

881
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Speaker 4: liberation means to the police. So I think he's going

882
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Speaker 4: to be consistent as a progressive who thinks that Israel's

883
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Speaker 4: one committing a genocide to should have its government changed constitutionally,

884
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Speaker 4: three in the meantime should be boycotted. He believes those things.

885
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Speaker 4: There might be a mayor of New York who believes

886
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Speaker 4: those things, which is unprecedented. But how do you express it,

887
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Speaker 4: that's the question. The only thing I'd say is that

888
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Speaker 4: the interview is not very long, the bull arg interview.

889
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Speaker 4: And if Democrats, i think, are risking a backlash that

890
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Speaker 4: will help Mandanni if they Russian and repeat what somebody

891
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Speaker 4: else said about him and don't look at what he's

892
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Speaker 4: what he said. Adams has already been doing this. Adams

893
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Speaker 4: just accused him of saying things he never said, supporting

894
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Speaker 4: hamas being an anti anti semi and Adams Adams is

895
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Speaker 4: not just generally not very honest. But there is a well, yeah,

896
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Speaker 4: there is a risk. There is a risk though if

897
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Speaker 4: if Mount Donnie is called out for something he said,

898
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Speaker 4: that's a problem. But if he's slandered you've already seen

899
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Speaker 4: Democrats are pretty sympathetic to that, and they're a little

900
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: bit tired. Not all of them, but let's say forty

901
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 4: four percent of New York are a little bit tired

902
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Speaker 4: of being told you might lose your job. Well, the

903
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Speaker 4: port you will shame you if you criticize what is

904
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Speaker 4: Reel's doing. That is that doesn't feel very American to people,

905
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Speaker 4: even if they even if they agree with with with

906
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Speaker 4: like eighty percent of what is Reel's doing.

907
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Speaker 2: Oh, Emily, we lost you. We're not hidding you.

908
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Speaker 5: Here.

909
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Speaker 2: Let me pull up for you, David. I wanted to

910
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Speaker 2: get your reaction to Kathy Hochel getting asked about Zorn,

911
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: so you can talk about some of you know how

912
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Speaker 2: the the powers that be in New York are responding,

913
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Speaker 2: and they don't seem to be responding with a vote blue,

914
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Speaker 2: no matter who message here. They seem very much to

915
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Speaker 2: be weighing their options, which again is it's extraordinary. I mean,

916
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Speaker 2: this guy won, he didn't. It wasn't a squeaker. He

917
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Speaker 2: went overwhelmingly Democratic voter said this is the person who

918
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Speaker 2: we would like to see normally, that's the end of

919
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Speaker 2: the story in terms of the Democratic Party supports the nominee.

920
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Speaker 2: And that does not seem to be the end of

921
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Speaker 2: the story here. So let's take a listen to this.

922
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Speaker 2: Will you support his candidacy and will you back him?

923
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Speaker 3: The election is just completed.

924
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Speaker 11: I get a chance to call and congratulate him on

925
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Speaker 11: the Tuesday's primary and look forward to having a conversation. Honestly,

926
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Speaker 11: there's areas of difference in our positions, but I also

927
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Speaker 11: thinking have those conversations in the meantime. I really am

928
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Speaker 11: not focused on the politics for six months away from

929
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Speaker 11: the inauguration date, and that will determine who I'm working

930
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Speaker 11: with for the next four years. And that's important that

931
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Speaker 11: I'm doing on affordability and making New York City state and.

932
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Speaker 7: Making the state. So that's my primary objective right now.

933
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Speaker 4: So are you skeptical then of him?

934
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Speaker 11: And then also the will of New York City voters

935
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Speaker 11: new York Democratic primary voters.

936
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Speaker 4: Do you think that their choice is not valid?

937
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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 11: I don't see how you can possibly include that from

939
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Speaker 11: what I just said. I said that I'm going to

940
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Speaker 11: be having conversations. I want to find out your positions

941
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Speaker 11: on specific issues. But in the meantime, I'm working closer

942
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Speaker 11: with Eric Adams, who is the mayor who we have

943
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Speaker 11: a lot of work to do to get through a

944
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Speaker 11: crisis right now. We just have a lot of people

945
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Speaker 11: in our city under siege with expressive temperatures. We have

946
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Speaker 11: to making sure our subways are safe, building more housing

947
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Speaker 11: on the city of yes, which were the finish line.

948
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Speaker 11: So as much as there's a lot of people, perhaps

949
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Speaker 11: even in this room, who are very focused on the politics,

950
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Speaker 11: I don't have the luck. I focus on governing and

951
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Speaker 11: delivering for New Yorkers and working with the people that

952
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Speaker 11: are in government today.

953
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Speaker 2: What do you make of this, Dave? And how do

954
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Speaker 2: you think Democrats ultimately, I mean you have seen so

955
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Speaker 2: like came Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer said basically congratulations, will

956
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Speaker 2: meet with you, but noncommittal. You saw Jerry Nadler come

957
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Speaker 2: out and you know, directly support zora On. You actually

958
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Speaker 2: saw Bill Clinton come out and basically say good luck

959
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: in November, which you know seems to be a direct

960
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Speaker 2: support even though Clinton was behind Cuomo in the primary.

961
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Speaker 2: Where do you think that this is going? Are they

962
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Speaker 2: going to try to pull basically another India Walton, who

963
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Speaker 2: was the lefty candidate in Buffalo who knocked down a

964
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Speaker 2: long time corrupt incumbent and then he came back and

965
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Speaker 2: was able to defeat her in the fall with the

966
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Speaker 2: coalition of establishment Democrats or like corporate Democrats and Republicans.

967
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I covered that race and honestly that was

968
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Speaker 4: that was no offense to Buffalo, but it's Buffalo is

969
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Speaker 4: not the media center of the world. And also Walton.

970
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Speaker 4: The way that they went after Walton and beat the

971
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Speaker 4: Democrat who ended up beating her was just going after

972
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Speaker 4: her poverty, basically just unpaid taxes. Then she later paid

973
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Speaker 4: stuff like that, and it was a lower profile race

974
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Speaker 4: that they could do it with Doron. We just talked

975
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Speaker 4: about all the flailing they're doing, and Adam's just done

976
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Speaker 4: some of this, all the truss On baby did not

977
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Speaker 4: figured out an effective line. But if you're a national Democrat,

978
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Speaker 4: what is the risk of something this sign profile ending

979
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Speaker 4: with Democrats betraying the Democratic nominee? How does that play

980
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Speaker 4: out in two years? Four years? Look at how much

981
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Speaker 4: anger Bernie Sanders engendered just for saying he was recruiting

982
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Speaker 4: candidates to run for office Democrats or independents. And he

983
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Speaker 4: would tell anybody he told me, but anybody who asked

984
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Speaker 4: him he meant independence in like a place where Democrats

985
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 4: can't win. He did not mean I'm a recruiting be

986
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: able to run against them. But you saw the knee jerk.

987
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: How dare he do this? He's not a real Democrat reaction.

988
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: The party has very little credibility left, and I might

989
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 4: be overstating it by saying very little. If it looks

990
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 4: like it is undermining a duly nominated Democratic candidate, then

991
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: it will be hurt in ways that we can't even

992
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: predict right now. And I think that's where clets to

993
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: me from what we're Hope's doing, because Hopel if I

994
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Speaker 4: were calling, correctly endorsed Walton but didn't do anything for

995
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 4: if she does that in this race, well, the complication

996
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 4: is that she's got a challenger at Tendo Dogatu who

997
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 4: is very pro Zorn and endorsed him already and says

998
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Speaker 4: she should what she's doing right now. I was giving

999
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Speaker 4: some giving space, I suppose for the Gila brands and

1000
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Speaker 4: vocals if they do want to have conversations with him

1001
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Speaker 4: and say, look, this is what happened with Trump in

1002
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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. Trump wins the nomination and there are a

1003
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Speaker 4: lot of people who didn't support Trump who get meetings

1004
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 4: with him and say, hey, I represent ten million pro

1005
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 4: life voters. You should really be doing this and say

1006
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Speaker 4: this now, and you should can't this interview answer you

1007
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 4: gave and he did. Like this is the thing that

1008
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Speaker 4: actually Zorn learned a lot from having talked to him

1009
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Speaker 4: in the campaign that it's not like Trump got away

1010
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Speaker 4: with everything. Trump actually did change some of his rhetoric,

1011
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Speaker 4: change some of his answers moderate and so if they're

1012
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Speaker 4: doing that, I feel like they can get away with

1013
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: that if they if they undercut him, it will hurt

1014
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 4: the party long term. What would Democrats prefer? Would they

1015
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: prefer this situation or one where they can ever winn'

1016
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 4: the Senate ever again? Because there's a fifty to third

1017
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Speaker 4: party left wing organization that gets fifteen percent of the vote,

1018
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 4: Like that is that is the risk right now they

1019
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 4: have progressives in the tent and the best situation, I

1020
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 4: might sound what to do. It's the best situation for

1021
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 4: them clearly is Zoran Mom Dannie winning the election, being

1022
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 4: successful and in four years people saying that wasn't so bad.

1023
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 4: That is for the party. That's what makes sense. For

1024
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Speaker 4: some donors in the party, they don't want that, and

1025
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 4: that's complicated. But if you're elected Democrat and you want

1026
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 4: Democrats to want elections, your your choices are sabotage him

1027
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 4: and sabotage yourself, or try to just get him to

1028
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: move in your direction so you're both successful.

1029
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Speaker 3: It's been interesting to see the pod bros. I shouldn't

1030
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Speaker 3: use that as kind of derogatory, but like.

1031
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Speaker 2: We've decided bros as a slur now that yeah, I

1032
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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know, I don't know.

1033
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Speaker 3: Dan Feiffer and others being like, well, I just think

1034
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Speaker 3: it diminishes podcasting. Actually not not bros to be, to

1035
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Speaker 3: be honest.

1036
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Speaker 6: But.

1037
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Speaker 3: They have sort of started saying, what the hell is

1038
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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party doing in its reaction to Zoron? And

1039
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: that's been I guess I'm just curious if you think

1040
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: that's indicative of where other sort of younger establishment Democrats

1041
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: are going.

1042
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Speaker 4: I've been careful with this. I was joking with an

1043
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Speaker 4: editor that I probably popped myself traffic because I I

1044
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Speaker 4: think I my headline said that Democrats are keeping a

1045
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 4: respectful distance, and then some people said Democrats are in

1046
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 4: disarray and pointing fingers, and if we quoted the same people,

1047
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: there are some there are some suburban Democratic congress who

1048
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 4: are not endorsing Mom Donnie. I don't think Tom Swasey

1049
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: ever will. For example, even I just said that Swazi

1050
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Speaker 4: has to win a seat that's a tiny bit of

1051
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: Queen's and mostly in Nassau County. Pat Ryan in Westchester

1052
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 4: County hasn't said something the Mom Donnie. My understanding of

1053
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 4: Mom Donnie, I haven't talked to I talked to him

1054
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 4: last night. But about this is yes, he's going to

1055
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: give some people some room to not get on board

1056
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 4: with everything, which is what again Donald Trump did in

1057
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. He is not demanding every Democrat anywhere around

1058
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 4: the country. He says, I love Zora Mandanni. He's the

1059
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: future of the party. I agree with him on everything

1060
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: that he's not doing that. It's actually us in the

1061
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 4: media who were asking Democrats if they agree and the

1062
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 4: answer we're getting are I guess they're this in the

1063
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 4: two camps. One is or three one is just pure excitement,

1064
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: like AOC Yes, this is the way the party should go,

1065
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 4: or Bernie one is. Alyssa Slockin did this. I was

1066
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Speaker 4: talking to Abigas Banger span Burgerk yesterday and she did

1067
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Speaker 4: this is well, voters want things be affordable. We learn

1068
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Speaker 4: it in November. We're learning that now, which is a

1069
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 4: very diplomatic way. I think that's where most Democrats will

1070
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 4: end up. Is I don't agree with on everything, but

1071
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 4: if somebody like him can win. This is what they

1072
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 4: say about Trump, right, Like Trump's victory proves that people

1073
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 4: are worried about some of these issues and we need

1074
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 4: to we need to figure that out. That is the

1075
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Speaker 4: diplomatic way to do it. The least diplomatic is the

1076
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Speaker 4: Swazi way of I can't support this guy, and that

1077
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 4: camp is pretty small. So right now they're still on

1078
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Speaker 4: the hill. They're gonna be chased around, asked if they

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Speaker 4: endorse them or not. I think that'll last for two

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Speaker 4: or three more days. It might pop up again, because look,

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Speaker 4: I have mentioned New York as the media capital the world,

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Speaker 4: so specifically New York Post is there, and Fox News

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00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 4: is there, and the New York Post can make anything famous.

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Speaker 4: So there will be news cycles or Zoran does something

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Speaker 4: where something is revealed and Democrats are asked about it.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that there'll be other stories that happen.

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Speaker 4: I think the Democrats were safest will be the ones

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Speaker 4: who have some yeuristic that says, yeah, I see why

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Speaker 4: he's winning and people are angry, but I don't agree

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Speaker 4: with him on X y Z. That's where I think

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Speaker 4: most of them are ending up, because that's my conversation

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Speaker 4: so far, and that's what makes the most sense.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha all right, Dave Weigel, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your reporting and for jumping on with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to see you.

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Speaker 4: Sir, thank you, no gree to do it.

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Speaker 2: Interesting perspective from him about where the Democrats are right now,

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Speaker 2: basically like most of them are going to get to

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Speaker 2: the Slotkin answer of like, well, he ran on affordability,

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Speaker 2: and that's what we need to focus on. So at

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Speaker 2: the same time, you've got you know, you do have

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Speaker 2: these Concerner, you still have Cuomo hanging out there, You've

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00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 2: got Eric Adams obviously on the ballot line. Apparently there

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00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: was some effort to try to pressure Curtis Leewa, who's

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00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: the Republican nominee, to take some Trump administration job. He

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00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: has ruled that out quite definitively, in a very Curtis

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00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: Leewa kind of a way, with rhetorical flourish, and you're

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00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: not gonna. But I think I think probably the most

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00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: important point is that if Democrats really do try to

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Speaker 2: rat fuck him, or even appear to try to rat

1111
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: fuck him, then it is devastating for them because here

1112
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: you have them having just lost this election, and they're

1113
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: all running oud, oh, we need someone who's younger and

1114
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: has ideas and that the bros Are into, and you know,

1115
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 2: can we back young people? And you know, create new

1116
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: energy in the party. And then he shows up and

1117
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: they're like, nope, we want Andrew Cuomo over the sky.

1118
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and it comes at a time when democratic

1119
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: leadership is already deeply unpopular with their own base. And

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00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: this is what's so different this that's what makes this

1121
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: moment so different, even from the burning moments, from the

1122
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: AOC moment, is at that time, most of the Democratic

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00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: base was still enamored with democratic leadership. That is not

1124
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: the case anymore, so, you know that, which is part

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00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: of why Zorn's able to succeed. Even though you had

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00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: all of the establishment lining up behind Cuomo and saying

1127
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: you can't possibly elect this guy. He's an anti Semite,

1128
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: he's a radical, et cetera. People didn't listen and they

1129
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: didn't care because those leaders are now not only failed

1130
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 2: in the eyes of the broader public, but they're failed

1131
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: specifically in the eyes of the Democratic base.

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Speaker 3: And into all of this chaos, a hero emerges.

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00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 5: We utilize the letter F.

1134
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 9: We utilize the letter F for faith.

1135
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, our opponents usually lettter F for profanity.

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00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 11: Wa. We need to stay focused, no distractions and gry,

1137
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 11: no distracting and grad.

1138
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 8: And Rah we're straight ahead.

1139
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: Because.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when he won all the ezra klines

1141
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: and all the like, all the centrists who were like,

1142
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: this guy's going to be a national figure, and now

1143
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: he literally has the lowest approval rating in New York

1144
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: City mayoral history. That's that's what's happened with him.

1145
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: And yet Focus, No Distractions and Grind would push him

1146
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: to re election seriousness, No, but but actually it could

1147
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: because it depends on how freaked out they're able to

1148
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 3: make people about their own mom, Donnie, and they're going

1149
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: to try able to get Bill Ackman into the race.

1150
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: It's just like many like, if you don't like zoon mom,

1151
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 3: Donnie in the city right now, you are absolutely cooked

1152
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: because you have Eric Abdams out there chanting Focus, No

1153
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: Distractions and Grind in front of a crowd of boomers

1154
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: seemingly like it's.

1155
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: Well, and it's just wild. The mask off with the

1156
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: oligarchs because Ackman is literally tweeting out things like I'm

1157
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: in group chats where we could raise one hundred million,

1158
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, hundreds of millions of dollars for anyone who's

1159
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: willing to get in this race. It's like, Wow, they

1160
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: truly think they can just buy any seat in the

1161
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: country up to and including the presidency, by the way,

1162
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: with Elon Musk, and they're not ashamed of it. Like

1163
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: he has no subvlts. Just put that out into the

1164
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: world of like this guy wants to make the buses

1165
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: free and make it, you know, your rent cheaper. God,

1166
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: we can't have that, God forbid. So we're willing to

1167
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: spend one hundreds of millions of dollars. And I'm in

1168
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: the group text where we're trying to control everything behind

1169
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: the scenes, you know. Again, like that is part of

1170
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: the reason why so many people voted for Zoran because

1171
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: he represents a repudiation of that type of politics that

1172
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: Ackman is just openly professing to, you know, to believe

1173
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: in and be a part of.

1174
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've painted themselves into a corner, and it's a

1175
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: catch twenty two for them. You know, you're damned if

1176
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: you're doing You're damned if you don't. You're damned if

1177
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: you from their perspective, if you embrace Zoron, because they

1178
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 3: don't believe in a lot of the things that he believes.

1179
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: And so that's just even the like ideological component, not

1180
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: even the political component, but if you don't, then you

1181
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: look like you are trying to thwart like as establishment democrats,

1182
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: you're trying to thwart the will of the voters. And

1183
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: so you really don't have any good options, Like if

1184
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: you organize an alternative candidate, it looks completely astroturfed. It

1185
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: looks like what they did to Bernie and Zora not

1186
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: benefits from this interesting scenario that the establishment has found

1187
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: itself in where they know if they if they try

1188
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 3: to beat him with some other mechanism, whether that's a

1189
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: third party candidate pouring tons of money behind like Eric

1190
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: Adams or Curtis Leewa, it has the effect of proving

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01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 3: his point.

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01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hot Commedy Summer, that's what their Bloomberg's headline is. Well,

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Speaker 2: Street's freaking out of her Hot Commedy Summer. Incredible stuff.

1194
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: Incredible stuff. Well, this is a good Well, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about Teal getting asked if

1201
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Speaker 2: he's Antichrist and the anti Christ. I'm very interested. Emily's

1202
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Speaker 2: done a deep dive on this one, so I'm super

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Speaker 2: excited to get her take on that. And we got

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Speaker 2: a few other clips that I wanted us to react

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Speaker 2: to as well, including we didn't get to Joyreid on CNN.

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Speaker 2: Sager and I are supposed to talk to it, yes,

1207
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Speaker 2: talk about it yesterday. We didn't get to that, so

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Speaker 2: I want to try to get to that as well.

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