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Speaker 1: So obviously the trade is historically significant. I do remember

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Speaker 1: where I was when Powell Gasol was traded from Memphis

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Speaker 1: to the Lakers, a window seat flying to Mexico on

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Speaker 1: a plane and thinking, this almost doesn't sound real. How

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Speaker 1: do you get Powell Gasol for what the Lakers surrendered?

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Speaker 1: This has even greater significance, But I was trying to

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Speaker 1: make sense of it this morning. Obviously Dallas initiated the

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Speaker 1: like if the Lakers initiated it, Dallas would have gotten

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Speaker 1: do it? Well, the Addison family, Miriam Addison is the

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Speaker 1: new owner. They may see the world differently. You have

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Speaker 1: an NBA with stars load management, You know, like the

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Speaker 1: that's old school. I mean Lebron's dropping one of his

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Speaker 1: a lot of current stars what you look for. Am

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Speaker 1: I going to get seventy seventy two games a year?

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Speaker 1: And you look at Luca who missed all of training

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Speaker 1: hasn't played since Christmas. And the new owners are staring

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Speaker 1: dollar max extension, which is minimum four years, and they're

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Speaker 1: looking at it thinking, you know, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much NBA knowledge the Adamsons have, but the people in

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Speaker 1: years ago, and this was said regularly. You know, Embiid

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Speaker 1: the Shack comp And there were some injuries but nothing

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Speaker 1: now won't play back to backs, and so you look

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Speaker 1: at Lukadanvic, I wouldn't have made the trade. But if

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Speaker 1: it makes more sense to me. He's playing about sixty

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Speaker 1: his prime. Hasn't played since Christmas, been out of the

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Speaker 1: you know, last two years, Anthony Davis arguably best defender

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Speaker 1: Dallas can compete now to me for an NBA championship.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean, they're a five hundred team.

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Speaker 1: Now you get eighty percent of Luca's offense when he's playing,

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Speaker 1: but you get much better defense, a remp protective and

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Speaker 1: they just got tired of it. Obviously, this is something

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Speaker 1: Mark Cuban sold a big percentage of this. They set

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Speaker 1: was for a state planning, but in real estate, in

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Speaker 1: terms of the Lakers, you have to make this move.

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Speaker 1: Haven't we talked about this for years? Is that you know,

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Speaker 1: and according to multiple sources this morning, Brian Windhorst, I

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Speaker 1: But it does feel like a clear shift. JJ Reddick

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Speaker 1: two years. I think Luca Lebron and a mediocre rim

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Speaker 1: And boy, the last couple of years being around Lebron,

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Speaker 1: the LA lifestyle is different. You know, I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 1: It can change how Luca views his brand. It's just different.

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Speaker 1: There's so many potential finishes, there's so many potential results.

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Speaker 1: It's just in year one, so I'm fired up for

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