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Speaker 2: Wazoo though, so at least that's at Camp Randall and

432
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 2: there are decent buffers. Really, there's not a lot of

433
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: meaty middles or back to backs that are scary. I agree.

434
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 2: I just ends tough. It ends tough. It ends tough

435
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 2: at Iowa, at Nebraska and Minnesota. But I don't know,

436
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: Wisconsin is just you can kind of set your watch

437
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: to them showing up against lesser opponents.

438
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Speaker 1: I'm curious about this stretch of games, kind of in

439
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: the middle here at Ohio State next week home against Illinois,

440
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: I could see that being a letdown game. Illinois will

441
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: be plucky. Well you could tell me at Northwestern forget it.

442
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that game. And then at Michigan State,

443
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: I could see that being a rough stretch because I'm

444
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: pretty high on Ohio State, as you know, and I

445
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: also feel like Michigan State's going to be going to

446
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: be in a better spot defensively than they were year ago.

447
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: So that to that stretch is not not super easy either.

448
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: I hear you, but you're including Ryan Helenski and Tommy

449
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: DeVito as key components of that stretch, Like, what are

450
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 2: we talking about? What are in throwing into it? What

451
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: I think is gonna be another and there are new

452
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: faces in the back end. I hear you on the

453
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: Wisconsin defense, but still I don't know. Illinois with a

454
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator and a Syracuse quarterback transfer, I think

455
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: it's fine and he had a good spring and we'll

456
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: get there. And a recent historically awful Northwestern offense, like

457
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, You're gonna have to do more to

458
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 2: convince me that that's an actual stretch rather than not

459
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 2: just like filler between games.

460
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: Fair enough, let's go over to Minnesota.

461
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to talk about Minnesota because I want

462
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: to love Minnesota. I don't, but I want.

463
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Speaker 1: To, Okay, talk me through this because on the show

464
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: a couple months back, I was advertising I like Minnesota

465
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: over seven and a half.

466
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: It's okay, I.

467
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 1: Think a veteran team, right, you would know more than

468
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: me at this point, but I think they've got enough back.

469
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: I like the fact actually that they brought back Kirk

470
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: Shiraka because the Mike Sanford experience was not good. That

471
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: didn't really work at all on offense, and this is

472
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: a program that just seems like they're laying in wait.

473
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: They are going to take out somebody. Is just a

474
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: matter of time before we figure out who. They're going

475
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: to beat most of the teams that they're supposed to do,

476
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: and they're going to finish with eight or nine wins.

477
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: When they made that move to Joe Rossi from I

478
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: think was Rob Smith a few years ago and paid

479
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: immediate dividends. The defense has been largely very good. The

480
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty COVID year it was a nightmare, but otherwise

481
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: the defense, especially last year, and how good they were

482
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: on passing downs. The problem with falling in love with

483
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: Minnesota is the amount that they lost up front on

484
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball, The amount that they lost

485
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: along the offensive line, the mount they lost upfront of

486
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: quality NFL caliber players is a problem now in terms

487
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: of getting the band back together. Ocean's eleven style, Kirk

488
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: Shiaka back compaired with PJ. Flegg. Yeah, they go back

489
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: to Western Michigan. They go back to their time and

490
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: I believe it was twenty nineteen when they were incredible

491
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: with you know, Tyler Anderson, Rashad Bateman, and Tanner Morgan,

492
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: who can now co sign your lease. He's old enough

493
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: if you need a if you're renting in Minneapolis, hit

494
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: up Tanner Morgan. His credit is impeccable. He's mature, he'll

495
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: help you out. No, mo Ibraham's healthy. You know when

496
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: when he was flashing, he looked to be pretty dominant.

497
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: Look like trying to tackle a vending machine or something

498
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: like that, and he just got hurt. And they decided

499
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: last year. And maybe it's additioned by subtraction. Going back

500
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: to Kirksharaka. Mike Sandford is out now. At Colorado, they

501
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: were so porterline predictable and how often they ran, they

502
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: ran more than anybody, and they were pretty bad at it.

503
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 2: They were pretty ineffective at it. I should say they

504
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: weren't bad at it. I think the backs were pretty

505
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: good in mo Ibraham's stead, but they're gone. They lost

506
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: a couple of backs to transfer, and so they're a

507
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: little bit thinner at skill position. Chris Amanbell hopefully he's

508
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: healthy at receiver. I just I think Minnesota is merely good,

509
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure exactly what to be scared of.

510
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: Like you look up and down. They hit the transfer

511
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: portal hard. They lost guys in the transfer portal at

512
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: a significant clip, but I don't they were. They were

513
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: pretty good passing, but they didn't pass a ton last year.

514
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: So the question to me is, like what is their

515
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: actual identity this year is are they going to continue

516
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: to try to hammer Moe Ibrahim? Are they going to

517
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: trust Tanner Morgan a little bit more? Are they gonna

518
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: find because what they were in twenty nineteen was largely

519
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 2: because of the RPO game and the gravity of those receivers,

520
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: and I don't think they're at that level. And I

521
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: always do like a team who I always like a

522
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: position group that the head coach has a background coaching,

523
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: you know, Nick Saban and DBS and stuff like that,

524
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: and PJ flex background is with receivers. But I merely

525
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: like Minnesota, I think they'll have good defense, but I

526
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: think it's gonna fall off. I think they're gonna have

527
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: probably a better offense because I don't think Mike Sanford's

528
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: all that good. So all in all, I think it

529
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: evens out to like a seven eight win season. I

530
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: don't know if you have there over under in front

531
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: of you right now. It's seven and a half. Tough

532
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: road slate, tough roads late. It's a tough road slate at.

533
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: Michigan State, at Penn State, at Nebraska, at Wisconsin. There's

534
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: also an Illinois road game in there the week before

535
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: Penn State. The thing that I like about the schedule though,

536
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: is how easy it starts. It starts out really easily.

537
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: If you're Minnesota, you're probably going three and oho to

538
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: start the year, New Mexico State, Western Illinois, Colorado. Those

539
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: are three wins.

540
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: You ever watch as September Minnesota game, though, Ty.

541
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 1: I've had that unfortunate pleasure.

542
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: Yes, you're just like, oh, well, this safety will was

543
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: Antoine Winfield. Is he gonna bail them out this year?

544
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: Four years into his NFL career? Like that's the question.

545
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 2: Is there's a very weird slow startiness to the Gophers.

546
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean there is a chance on this schedule if

547
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: they run the table, if they knock off Michigan State

548
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: on the road, which I think is entirely plausible, they

549
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: could be Bowl eligible by week seven. We could be

550
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: talking about an undefeated Minnesota going into that road game

551
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: against Penn State, and it's at a bad spot for

552
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: Penn State. It's a sandwich spot between Michigan and Ohio State.

553
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: So if that comes a fruition, even if it doesn't

554
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: come to fruition where Minnesota is undefeated, they catch Penn

555
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: State in a weird spot. I could definitely invent the

556
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: scenario in which they get it together through the early

557
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: part of their schedule, as Michigan State maybe is still

558
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: trying to figure out some stuff of their own on defense,

559
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: and they're able to rattle off six in a row.

560
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: That'd be a really nice start. Now, how likely is that,

561
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I have questions as well.

562
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: Do you like PJ Fleck? By the way, are you

563
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: PJ Fleck guy? I think it's fine. I think if

564
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: he recruited as consistently as he did early on in

565
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: his career, I think i'd like him more because I

566
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: think I'd be able to count on guys popping, and

567
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: you know, the Daniel foul Lele and Rashad Bateman kind

568
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: of mold where it seems like they have fewer and

569
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: fewer of those guys, and I'm a little bit worried

570
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: about the offensive skill that has left recently. So yeah,

571
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: I like him fine. And Minnesota is not in the

572
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: easiest place to win, especially in this division, with how

573
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: good the defenses are in this conference, with how deep

574
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: it seems to be at or near the top. To

575
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: get Minnesota to where he did a couple of years ago,

576
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty special. I think he's a good coach.

577
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: I think he may have a ceiling, that's all. Yeah, Well,

578
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: we'll see. Hopefully they can generate more big plays.

579
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: This year. They were definitely in the bottom tier of

580
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: college football teams it came to explosiveness, and I think

581
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: you alluded to as much. How do they generate some

582
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: of those bigger plays? How do they be less predictable?

583
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: The Mike Sanford thing was not great. No, maybe getting

584
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Kirk Shiraka back in the fold can potentially change that.

585
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: They were good when they had him. Yep, So we'll

586
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: see it's all about him. By the way, the characters

587
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: you need to know, it's Mo, it's Morgan, and MSM.

588
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: It's Mariano. Sorry, Mayan, Mariano, sorry Marin, excuse me at linebacker?

589
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: MSM. Not just a weird controversial business decision that is

590
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: pursued by somebody on your Facebook. I know it's MLM,

591
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: but still.

592
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: I got you.

593
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: Minnesota is in a good place. Just I think they're

594
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: good enough to basically beat everybody they come across, other

595
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: than they don't have Ohio State, right, they don't have Michigan,

596
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: nor do they have Ohio State on their schedule. So

597
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: that's nice in terms of scheduling. But the road stuff

598
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: worries me that I think I would take seven before

599
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: I take eight.

600
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: We covered Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. I presume those are

601
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: the top three. I think I like Nebraska more than Minnesota. Interesting. Okay, yeah,

602
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: so Nebraska last season three and nine, a historic three

603
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: and nine, and that it was nine losses by what

604
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: one score?

605
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: Only frosts at media day say we were in every game.

606
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: They were in every game.

607
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: It's not just the in every game, it's the winning

608
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: every game. It's not just the taking the reservation holding.

609
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: You do get the sense though, that they weren't that

610
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: far off. It wasn't a bad team. We talked to

611
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Nauseam about their defense last year. Could have used more

612
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: consistency for sure at the quarterback position, just on offense

613
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: in general, and they had injuries to deal with. Like

614
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't exactly fair to say that this

615
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: was a bad team. But they were a bad team, right.

616
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: They did bad team thing. They did bad.

617
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: Team things despite having a lot of talent and I

618
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: think having a lot of a lot of promise. So

619
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: as we go into this season, Scott Frost has been

620
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: very active, not only in bringing over Casey Thompson, but

621
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: trying to change up the offense. I think making a

622
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: very public and concerted effort to prove that he is

623
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: going to try and turn this thing around. And a

624
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: lot of folks, I'm assuming yourself included, are are pretty

625
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: high on the Huskers just in terms of get into

626
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: a bowl, right, I would have to assume that that's

627
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: like minimum viable product for twenty twenty two.

628
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I'm a quarterback in defense. What does your

629
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: quarterback look like? What does your defense look like? I

630
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: think Nebraska's defense will be fine, though they're pretty thin

631
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: up front. I think they'll be all right at linebacker.

632
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: We'll see on the secondary. So the thing is with

633
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: Adrian Martinez and now going into the Casey Thompson era,

634
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: is Adria Martinez was a giveth and taketh away quarterback.

635
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what Casey Thompson is giveth thing

636
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: or just giving. That's my issue is what is it

637
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: that Casey Thompson brings to the table with what has

638
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 2: been a pretty shaky offensive line. And when Nebraska finally

639
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: found that winter wonder at receiver in Wandel Robinson, he

640
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: took off. And so every year seems to be when

641
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: you read the previews, when you watch the spring game,

642
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: it's announcers and writers saying, well, Frost is pretty high

643
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: on Omar Manning or whoever, and you get a lot

644
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: of measurables rather than deliverables. If that makes any sense,

645
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: that you're like this guy six' five and you're like,

646
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: cool so was my college. Roommate does he score touchdowns

647
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: against good? Teams because my college roommate didn't because he

648
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: was in the. Band so the problem is there's, sorry

649
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: AM i making you cough while he's drinking.

650
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: WATER i Have i'm drinking water out of my solid

651
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: verbal glass, Continues.

652
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: Okay that there's too much of. That there's too much

653
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: of like he threw the javelin in high, school and,

654
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: like how does that translate to like red zone? Prowess

655
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: it generally. Doesn't so that to me is we're how

656
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: many offensive coordinators and how many? Stateds how many times

657
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: Has Scott frost stated you, know, god they're just buying

658
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: in in a way that the guys haven't. Before it's, like,

659
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: okay all, right well now It's Casey thompson coming off

660
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: of a thumb, injury transferring in new, coordinator new, quarterback

661
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: and on a certain, level you could, say well that's you,

662
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: know it's a it's a fresh, start it's a. Reboot

663
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: but why do they need a fresh? Star why do

664
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: they need a? Reboot what are the the the the

665
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: commonalities every, year like a special team's finally going to

666
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: be at least okay this. YEAR i, HOPE i hope

667
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: because it's been a. Nightmare it's been a nightmare In,

668
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: lincoln and we talk about hidden. Yards nebraska gives them.

669
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: Away nebraska just gives them, Away SO i think they're

670
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 2: going to be pretty. GOOD i think at their best

671
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: they'll be pretty. Good if they make fewer, mistakes if

672
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: special teams is more, competent they'll win a bunch of.

673
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: Games the great thing, is as well tie their schedule is.

674
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: Amazing it's not. BAD i would just out is. Spectacular

675
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: AND i say that knowing they Have oklahoma early on

676
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: on their, schedule but the game is In. Lincoln they

677
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: were competitive last. Year there's if if it's evident that

678
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: they've turned a, corner that they have plans in the red,

679
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: zone that on third down they're finding the right. Guy,

680
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: whatever there's no reason they can't start six and, two

681
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: seven and one By. November whenever eight games are. Up

682
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: It's northwestern In, Ireland oklahoma At, purdue and then IT'S i,

683
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: mean those are like the interesting tough games early and

684
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: then The november Stretches minnesota At, Michigan wisconsin At. Iowa,

685
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: difficult absolutely. Difficult but, again If nebraska has turned a

686
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: corner and they're finishing drives and they're not giving the

687
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: ball away good enough to win seven eight, games absolutely they.

688
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: Are with that, schedule there's a lot of appeal.

689
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: There i've got this schedule highlighted and labeled as having

690
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: A december To remember, yep dating back to Our Secret

691
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: Cake schedule episode which you can go back and listen To. November,

692
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: yes is very, difficult but it starts off AND i

693
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: think in a really advantageous. Way The Casey thompson, thing

694
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: to me is really interesting because you, KNOW i didn't

695
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: do the deep dive On nebraska quite the way you,

696
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: did But i've been reading about, them and there's certainly

697
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: a lot of excitement About Casey. Thompson and What i'm

698
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: struggling a little bit with Is Casey thompson was on

699
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: a good offense last. Year, granted really soft up, front

700
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: not a great, line and there were challenges year, one new,

701
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: coach the whole nine yards, there but it wasn't like

702
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: that was an offense without. Weapons and So i'm just

703
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: curious IF i, mean, obviously a change of scenery is

704
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: good for. Him he's going to get the playing, time

705
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: AND i do Believe Casey thompson is, better certainly a

706
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: different kind of quarterback Than Adrian. Martinez but What i'm

707
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: struggling to really figure out is how much better and

708
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: what does he give them above and beyond what we've

709
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: grown accustomed to seeing over the last couple of. YEARS

710
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: i don't think it's a slam dunk That Casey thompson

711
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: goes To, Lincoln nebraska and suddenly this is like a

712
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: seven win. TEAM i think the schedule makes it such

713
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: that as long as they don't screw up and shoot

714
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: themselves in the, foot as they, do the fundamentals fairly well,

715
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: enough they'll be in a. Bowl But Casey thompson has

716
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: like this huge difference. Maker i've seen some previews that

717
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: are really talking to like best quarterback in The Big Ten,

718
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: west definitely in the conversation in The Big ten as a.

719
00:36:59,280 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: WHOLE i.

720
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Hope, so but let's pump the brakes a little bit

721
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: because he was on a pretty good offense last.

722
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: Year AND i know that there has been attention given

723
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: To Mark whipple and how he was able to be

724
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: a part of the development Of Kenny, Pickett Jordan, Addison,

725
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: like there aren't those guys For Casey thompson to throw.

726
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: To so let's, say best case. Scenario best case, Scenario

727
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: Casey thompson is a, bee, okay and his receivers are,

728
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: bees and his beat up tight end group is a

729
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: bee and his offensive line is A b minus or

730
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: something like. THAT i don't know what their ceiling is

731
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: as a. Group these are the defenses that they face

732
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: to start the. Season Northwestern North, Dakota, Georgia Southern, Oklahoma, Indiana,

733
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: Rutgers Purdue. Illinois that's up Until. November so if we're just, talking,

734
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: fine not. Exceptional who's putting the fear of? Life If

735
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: Mark whipple's calling a better game than whoever has been

736
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator For, nebraska you know he wants to

737
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: throw it a ton if you're to believe Paton ardozy and.

738
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: So If Ksey thompson is, healthy and there are two

739
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: receivers who are not game, changers but, fine which one

740
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: of those defenses makes you sit back in your chair

741
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: and bite your. NAILS i don't see, it none of.

742
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: Them they could go you, know four and four, still

743
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: but at least on. Paper right, Now i'm not exceptionally

744
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: terrified For Casey thompson and the players around him on this.

745
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: Offense If Scott frost goes seven and, five is he

746
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: returning in twenty twenty?

747
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: THREE i guess it depends how he goes seven and

748
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: five and the margin by which he goes seven And

749
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: nebraska go seven and. Five he shouldn't go seven and

750
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: five with the.

751
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: Schedule he should get to eight. Wins with, THIS i.

752
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: AGREE i agree with where Ruckers. Indiana you know the

753
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: steps Back purdue will probably take at. Times illinois has

754
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: a lot still. Like the problem is their final four

755
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: games are. Losable so if you start the season seven to,

756
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: one if my math is, correct and everybody says to,

757
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: Themselves Scott frost figured it, out they trued, hires he

758
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: hit the portal in all of the right, ways seven to,

759
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: one they're going to a. Bowl they're ranked, ninth thirteenth

760
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: in the. Country there's a tension On nebraska that has been.

761
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: Different and then they just lose by double digits to

762
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: end the. Year and that's the taste that's left in

763
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: Trev alberts's. MOUTH i didn't anticipate using the Phrase Trev

764
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: alberts's mouth when one said of.

765
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: This, show that's WHY i, snorted, continue.

766
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: That's the issue that you Beat, oklahoma or maybe you Lose,

767
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: oklahoma but you win the other. Seven let's say The

768
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: oklahoma loss is thirty to twenty, eight and it's just

769
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: back and forth and it's impressive. Whatever but then you

770
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: lose To minnesota by fourteen In, Iowa, wisconsin, whatever you

771
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: lose a bowl game, comfortably and there's just not a

772
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: lot of feel goods in the back room In. Lincoln

773
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 2: THEN i don't. KNOW i think it could be enough

774
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: to still see him.

775
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: GO i want to Like. NEBRASKA i want to Like.

776
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: NEBRASKA i want to root For. NEBRASKA i want to

777
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: root For Scott. Frost i'd like to see them turn it, around, because,

778
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: look we've said a time and again, here it's not

779
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: fun to be down for a long.

780
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: Time that's not.

781
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Fun maybe if you're a, rival you, know if you're

782
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: A colorado fan Like Dan, carlin you're reveling in the

783
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: fact That nebraska's having a hard. Time BUT i don't

784
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: think that makes anything more. Fun So i'm legitimately rooting for.

785
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: It i'm pulling for, them BUT i.

786
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: Do have questions about That Casey thompson. THING i like.

787
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: THEM i Just i'm.

788
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: Having a hard time getting as excited AS i know

789
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: some others, are that's.

790
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: ALL i. Mean the good thing For nebraska's they've Seen

791
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: Casey thompson Shred, colorado which they haven't been able to.

792
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: Do so there's that they had a couple shots a

793
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: couple of years ago weren't able to get it. Done but,

794
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: yeah and, look they have a good shot of Upsetting,

795
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: oklahoma and the games that they're likely going to be dogs,

796
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: against they have a good shot. Against you, know they

797
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: played well until they gave it away Against. Iowa they

798
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: Play they've played well against good, teams and so it's

799
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: just turning a. Corner it's not can we get, close

800
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 2: can we get? Competitive they're already at a competitive. Place

801
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: so that's the good.

802
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: News speaking of teams that are On nebraska's early, schedule

803
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: week at, zero it is it is the day that

804
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: you AND i are going to be In chicago actually

805
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: doing our fantasy things live. Draft we would encourage everybody

806
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: to go to celiburbolive dot, com as you heard at

807
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: the top of the, show and buy your tickets while supplies.

808
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: Last it Is. Nebraska it Is northwestern traveling To, Dublin

809
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: ireland to play a week zero. Game northwestern was bad last. Year,

810
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah northwestern was three and, Nine they were one and

811
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: eight in. Conference there was a lot to dislike about

812
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: This northwestern team and the biggest step back was on.

813
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: Defense this is a program down Under Pat. Fitzgerald under

814
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: their old regime with their old defensive, coordinator was really

815
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: good on that side of the. Ball maybe slipped off

816
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: a little bit in recent, years but not nearly to

817
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: the extent that we saw in twenty twenty. One offense

818
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: has always been an. Issue without that defense to really

819
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: prop up the, offense the whole thing. Collapsed is there

820
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: any hope That northwestern is turning this? Around are there

821
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: any obvious solutions on your?

822
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: Radar, yeah it's an even year twenty, twenty twenty, eighteen

823
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 2: really nice seasons From. Northwestern IF i remember, quarkly we've

824
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: got a twenty twenty two. Situation so there's your immediate

825
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: glimmer of. Hope for just nonsense. Reasons, uh, yeah they

826
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: could find a. Quarterback if It's Brendan, SULLIVAN i guess

827
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: would be the. Answer that Isn't Ryan. Halensky we have

828
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: a good amount of data From Ryan. Halensky if, look

829
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: they might have the best left tackle in the sport,

830
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: randomly because that's Who northwestern. Is they're a weird team

831
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: who will have bouts of success but always develop like,

832
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: yeah round, linebacker a first round, corner and they have

833
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: a good left. Tackle they got a couple good running.

834
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: Backs my hope isn't That northwestern is going to mount

835
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: an average. Offense my hope is That northwestern is going

836
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: to mount an offense that just doesn't lose them, games

837
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: that isn't. Embarrassing so If northwestern has the eighty seventh

838
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: best offense in the country by whatever metric you, choose

839
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: it's a. Success that is a, big, nice impressive. Move

840
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: now doesn't mean they're gonna win more. Games probably not

841
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: Because i'm not a big believer in this. Defense i've

842
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: got a good, rush and the linebackers and the secondary

843
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: should be. Fine the problem is just weak to, Weak

844
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: like how much Does northwestern need to put? Together you,

845
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: know it's the what is it called the, oh you're

846
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: gonna know what it's called when the ball goes from

847
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: the pulley and then it rolls down a, ladder you,

848
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: know The Rube? Goldberg is that what that's. Called there's

849
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: just that everything needs to click just so with How

850
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: northwestern is built. Before defense is good enough to keep

851
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: most teams to seventeen points or. Less nice way to

852
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: win games where you don't need to climb a giant

853
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: mountain to win. Games now it has to be you

854
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: have to force, turnovers you have to get lucky and special.

855
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: Teams you're gonna have to get a couple of broken

856
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: tackles on an end around on. Offense there's just so

857
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: much that needs to happen For northwestern to get to

858
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: six seven eight wins again that it seems unlikely they

859
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: lose arguably their best defensive, player The Portal Notre dame

860
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: And Brandon. Joseph it's just it's more difficult the way

861
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: they're going about, things the way that you, know because

862
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: of some you, know the academic limitations that they have

863
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: to go about. Things so that's the problem to me

864
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: That Pat, fitzgerald who across the, board people associated With

865
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: northwestern love the, guy and probably for good. REASON i

866
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: think he just got an, extension he's getting paid six

867
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: seven million, dollars but that he hasn't dipped into THE

868
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: fcs ranks or THE g five ranks to find a,

869
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: coordinator an up and coming coordinator who will say this

870
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: is HOW i this is my vision to reboot this.

871
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: Offense and then it's sort of going after kind of

872
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: like also rans and like just Serving Pat fitzgerald's desires

873
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: for an, offense you're just gonna peak around ninetieth in the,

874
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: country seventy eighth in the. Country like the Chances northwestern's

875
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: recent offenses have taken in terms of, scheme in terms of,

876
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: transfers in terms of just pivots in, general it leaves

877
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: everything to be.

878
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: Desired one of the other things that jumped out to,

879
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: me just at a cursory, glance this was quite, literally

880
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: in all of college, football all OF, fbs the second

881
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: worst special teams unit.

882
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: Yep which we don't talk enough about that, here.

883
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: Right we focus on the big names and the offense

884
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: and the defense and the bigger picture. Stuff but at the,

885
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: margins that's the kind of stuff that costs you. Games

886
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: that's not to say That northwestern was fractionally away from

887
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: being a bowl. Team they. Weren't but all these things

888
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: working kind of in tandem do not, help especially when

889
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: your special team are. Bad we talk a lot about

890
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: the defense and how that bottomed, out key metrics you

891
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: could look at across the. Board this is a team

892
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: that was really bad in that havoc stat, right the

893
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: measure That Bill connolly uses to measure difference makers on,

894
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: defense tackles behind the line of, scriviage, sacks things like.

895
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: That they just weren't a playmaking, defense and so over

896
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: the course of a season that built. Up and when

897
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: you've got a bad, offense the offense is still way

898
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: worse than the. Defense by the, way even though the

899
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: defense took a step, back but those two things working

900
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: together absolutely worked against this.

901
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: TEAM i mean you mentioned special. Teams they need special.

902
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: Teams they need to be able to pin. Teams they

903
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: need to make their field goals because they're going to

904
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: be playing in even at their, best they're gonna be

905
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: playing in close games if they're able to get the

906
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: most out of you, Know, camporter Healthy Evan, hall who

907
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: had a quietly decent season as a bright spot on

908
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: that offense last. Year there are seven winnable, games like

909
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: why can't they go toe To ireland and Beat nebraska

910
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: who started the season the way that they did last

911
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: year In, CHAMPAGNE i can tell you why they. Can't

912
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: but at the same, time everybody's flying. Overseas things are. Weird.

913
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: Whatever so let's say they win that. Game who they

914
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 2: Have miami Of Ohio duke coming up the Like Southern.

915
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: ILLINOIS i can be spoken. INTO i CAN i can

916
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: have you speak into existence four and Oh northwestern to

917
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: start the season and then losing one, too you, know

918
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: three of their next four to four of their next,

919
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: five five of their next. Six but they finished With

920
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: purdue In, illinois so they could go bowling if they're

921
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: simply well coached and do all the little things right

922
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: on defense and special, teams and they run the ball well,

923
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: enough they make some field, goals but again A Rube goldberg.

924
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: Apparatus SO i don't. KNOW i have them at five

925
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: and seven at. Best that's. Aggressive, yeah what's there over?

926
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: UNDER i don't have the and a half four and a, Half,

927
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: OKAY i. CAN'T i can't believe it'd be higher than

928
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: four four and a, half, Right so that's what it,

929
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: needs that's what that's what it. Needs. Health it needs

930
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: better attention to detail and means grabbing every single hidden

931
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: because look At Penn. State, fine if the defense is,

932
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: INCREDIBLE i don't see. It, Wisconsin no At, iowa well

933
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: they always Beat iowa or always are close to Beating.

934
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: Iowa so, Sure Ohio, state no At minnesota After Ohio,

935
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: state probably not At purdue the week after, That AND

936
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: i don't think. So so it's JUST i don't. Know

937
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 2: five and seven seems like the best.

938
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: Case northwestern's over under by the, Way, Northwestern, yeah even,

939
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: four what is?

940
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: It and even for and even For, yeah, okay SO

941
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: i GUESS i HAVE i have a right around the same.

942
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: Point let's stay in the great state Of.

943
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: Illinois you love.

944
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: That let's go To.

945
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: Illinois let's go To Brett. Bilima we like talking About.

946
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: Illinois last. Year, Actually illinois was an interesting. Case they

947
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: were definitely one of the teams on my pluck. Radar

948
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: they seemed to play. Hard they didn't have all the

949
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: pieces in. Place Brett bilima acknowledged as much when he

950
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: basically SAID i didn't even want these offensive lineen whatever

951
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: that comment was about his. Line we know he's a

952
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: guy who likes to base everything around having that beef up.

953
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: Front Beat penn stayed in the crazy eighteen million overtime,

954
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: game AND i feel like there was some optimism at

955
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: the end of last. Season it just felt like definitely

956
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: a changing of the guard was a good thing For

957
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: then is there like a step forward coming For Brett

958
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: beelima the season or is it still just a case

959
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: of they got to get the. Guys it's going to

960
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: take a while till they get all those guys in.

961
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: Place people seem reasonably high On Tommy, DeVito who might

962
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: just be in a better situation In champagne than he

963
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: was than he was in At. Syracuse they have two

964
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 2: good running, backs it, Seems Chase brown And josh. McCrae

965
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: they are worthy of earning a benefit of the doubt

966
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: along the offensive, line Which Brett bieloma talked about early

967
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: on in his tenure as being kind of a nightmare

968
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 2: and putting out an open listing On craig's list for

969
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: offensive linemen, essentially which was taken out of context for,

970
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: Sure but he his history has earned him and his

971
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: programs a benefit of the doubt in terms of what

972
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: he wants out of, them what's he, wants what he

973
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: wants at an offensive line, coach how they get, developed

974
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: how they get, id'd et, cetera et, cetera et. Cetera excuse,

975
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: me they don't Have Winter wonders at. Receiver have a

976
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: guy Named Isaiah, williams which is. Cool so they have

977
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: a non Juice Isaiah. Williams that's. Good the defense last

978
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: year was impressively stout led by, linebackers especially considering the,

979
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: turnover but from going coach to, coach but the defense

980
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: was pretty good last. YEAR i Think Ryan walters and

981
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: if you remember this, Name Kevin kine was AT, smu

982
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: he was The Northern ILLINOIS, dc and So Andy boo

983
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: is on this. Staff so like it's the well built

984
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: defensive staff to, me SO i expect decent things from this.

985
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: DEFENSE i don't think they're star power on the defense,

986
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: necessarily BUT i think they're. GONNA i think they're gonna

987
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: be coached well and be in the right place more

988
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: often than. Not they make a change in offensive, coordinator

989
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: going To Barry lunney who was AT, utsa but he

990
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: has a history with With Brett bielama going back To,

991
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: arkansas and So illinois seems to be one of the

992
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: more aggressive teams committing to the, pivot saying it didn't

993
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: work out last year with our. Coordinator we didn't see

994
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: the quarterback development we wanted to see From Brandon. Peters

995
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: we're going this new. Direction we're going with a familiar new.

996
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: Direction utsa's offense developed nicely last, Year SO i think

997
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: there's hope That illinois in the short term can be

998
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: the old man at, pickup just backing teams down in

999
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: the low post that you're, like he's, sweaty he's got

1000
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: the up and under and he doesn't miss from eight

1001
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: feet that, yeah you're gonna you're gonna take him to

1002
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: the rack of course on a fast break and it's

1003
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: there's nothing that he's going to be able to. Do

1004
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: but if you get matched up against him on the low,

1005
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: block Like Phillip Seymour hoffman but making shots from along came,

1006
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: poly it's just not going to be fun to play.

1007
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: Them and so that to me is a step. Forward

1008
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: they beat flawed teams last. Year they didn't beat a

1009
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: lot of. Them but If Penn state's quarterback is hurt

1010
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: and the offense is all all over the place and not,

1011
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: Blocking illinois is good enough to pick up that win

1012
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: off the opportunity. Truck AND i think they're going to

1013
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: continue to do. So when they can find those, receivers

1014
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: when they get better along the, line when they can

1015
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: hit the portal hard for guys on defense who can

1016
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: come in and make an immediate, impact they're going to

1017
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: be a Consistent bowl team to me Under Brett. Bilama

1018
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: so right, Now they're just a hard out right. Now,

1019
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: there you like the word, Frisky they're just going to

1020
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: be a pain in the ass every. Week and if

1021
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: you are overlooking, them if you are not taking them,

1022
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: seriously if you think you can coast on a simple game,

1023
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: plan there's a good shot That illinois will beat. You

1024
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: that's a good place to, be not a great place to.

1025
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: Be but considering the young point In Brett bilama's tenure right,

1026
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 2: now it's respectable, well.

1027
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: And it feels like there's a. Plan, yes you, know

1028
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: it feels like it's going. Somewhere oftentimes coaches get to

1029
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: the stage and the same is true For. Rutgers we

1030
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: talked About rutgers on the last. Show say you wont About,

1031
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: rutgers but it feels Like Greg ciano's trying to build

1032
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: something like you can see very. Logically Even Michigan State Mel,

1033
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: tucker who's had a lot more recent, success it makes.

1034
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: Sense you can see where they're going with, things AND

1035
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: i Think Illinois sun extent falls into that same. Category

1036
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: the over, under by the, way is four and a,

1037
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: half WHICH i think is a good.

1038
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: Number it's a decent. Number here's the. Issue they start

1039
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: At indiana and they Have virginia early on which that'll.

1040
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: TEST i, mean their secondary should probably be the strength

1041
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: of this. Defense they arguably have the Mediast big ten

1042
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: middle schedule, wise the meat Of illinois schedule At, Wisconsin,

1043
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: Iowa minnesota than A bie At, Nebraska, Michigan, State perdue At.

1044
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: Michigan that's the string. Ties so if everybody Takes illinois

1045
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: seriously and they go four and, eight it's not the.

1046
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 2: Worst it's not the. Worst if they can get to

1047
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: five wins this. Year if they can get if The

1048
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 2: drive for six is roll and they get to six,

1049
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: wins that's super crazy impressive from THE ali AND i, well.

1050
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: We will advertise The drive for six on this show

1051
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: for all who, celebrate because it's just the thing that

1052
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: we've done ever since the infancy of the solid, verbal

1053
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: to drive for.

1054
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: Six absolutely voting for.

1055
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: YOU i respect the. Direction let's go to the final.

1056
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: Team then let's in The big Ten. West we've talked

1057
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: about all the. Others It's perdue, time Baby perdue nine and.

1058
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: Four last, year, maybe, YEAH i had some, Standouts David,

1059
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: Bell George, carloftis both of whom are now. Gone an

1060
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: O'Connell still. Back this was a very plucky, team a

1061
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: dangerous team last year that pulled some. Upsets fun to

1062
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: follow one of the best stories all of last season

1063
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: in college. Football the question that immediately goes to can

1064
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: they do it? Again can they build on what we

1065
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: saw last? SEASON i find it hard to. BELIEVE i

1066
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: know it's not my. PREVIEW i find it hard to. Believe.

1067
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: THEN i talked about this a little bit with The

1068
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: Penn State perdue opening. Line it's like two and a

1069
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: half or, three three and a, half depending on where you.

1070
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: LOOK i find it hard to believe That purdue is

1071
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: going to come out of the gate, hot knowing that

1072
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: they lose those two gravitational, players one on, offense one on. Defense,

1073
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: yeah are you with? Me are you more? Optimistic? Like

1074
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: where do you stand on these?

1075
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: GUYS i stand WHERE i normally stand that if you

1076
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: are a specific good matchup for the Boiler, makers Like

1077
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: Michigan state was with their past, defense and how Accurate

1078
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: aidan O'Connell was and, is and how Well purdue seems

1079
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: to develop wide. RECEIVERS i, mean so that Coach JaMarcus

1080
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: shepherd is now At, washington so they had to make

1081
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: a change. There they made a lot of coaching, changes

1082
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: which makes me a little bit uncomfortable sometimes for good.

1083
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: Reasons Brad lambert's now the defensive coordinator At Wake. FOREST

1084
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: i Think aidan O'Connell will be. Good they were one

1085
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: of the absolute worst rushing teams last, year and thus

1086
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: they were one of the worst teams in the red.

1087
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: Zone if you can't run the ball at, all it

1088
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: makes it pretty difficult on shorter fields to keeps. Defenses,

1089
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: honest that's the worrisome thing to. Me that there's a

1090
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: very specific way in which they can, win and that's

1091
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: being accurate and finding that bigger play eventually because they

1092
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: don't generate them. Organically, DEFENSIVELY i think they should be

1093
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: okay up, front even Without Big. GEORGE i think the

1094
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: secondary is much Like illinois probably the strength of this.

1095
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: DEFENSE i just think they need to win in a

1096
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: very specific, way and the context is different Because Jeff

1097
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: brahm has been In West lafaette a lot longer than

1098
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: Reb bieloma has been In, Champagne SO i don't. KNOW

1099
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: i think they're a Flirty bowl, team, Yesh like it's

1100
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: one of those things where things have to break. Correctly

1101
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: and you mentioned Having Penn state earlier on their. Schedule

1102
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: their schedule is not. Amazing their.

1103
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: Schedule their schedule's, weird it's. Lumpy it's one of Those

1104
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: it's like an ink blot test in a. Sense you

1105
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: could look at it on one day and feel good about.

1106
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: It you can look at it on another day and be, like,

1107
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: ooh this is tougher than meets The let me read

1108
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: through it. Quick week One Penn state at, home which we've.

1109
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: Referenced week Two Indiana, state followed by a road game

1110
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: At syracuse home Against. Fau they should win that. Game

1111
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: back to back road games At minnesota At, maryland come

1112
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: back home Against nebraska a week before going back on

1113
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: the road To. Wisconsin that's a tough. Stretch by week

1114
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: they close out the year home Against, iowa on the

1115
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: road Against, illinois the Aforementioned DELIONE I northwestern at, home

1116
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: close out the season rivalry game Against indiana on the.

1117
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: Road SO i could definitely see some spots in there

1118
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: where it feels like they're easier. Teams but because it's

1119
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: like almost buffered so, well it also seems like the

1120
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of schedule where it's difficult to get on any.

1121
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: Runs you're not going to see pretty ripping off like

1122
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: five straight wins because of the way the schedule is.

1123
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: Organized here's the, thing, though that the wild card here

1124
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: is at his, Best aidan O'Connell is the best quarterback

1125
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: in the. Division, yeah so what does that afford? You

1126
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: what does that the way that he finished last, year

1127
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: the way that he played Against. Tennessee what does it

1128
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: afford you when your quarterback at his best can win many.

1129
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: Weeks that's the interesting thing to me About purdue is

1130
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: that you mentioned the stretches being difficult and the specific

1131
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: back to backs starting the season With Penn. STATE i

1132
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: didn't even realize by the Way Penn state has started

1133
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: nine Straight Big ten seasons on the, road, yep that

1134
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: you look at their schedule and you're totally. Correct it's

1135
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,479
Speaker 2: the winnable games on, here maybe get up to. Nine

1136
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: the realistic winnable, games you're, like, well. Four so the

1137
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: truth lies in the. Middle and so if you're a

1138
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: big believer In Jeff brahm's in game coaching ability for

1139
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: the defense to get key, stops for the offense to

1140
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: make smart third down, calls their bowl, Team SO i

1141
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: have him at six and.

1142
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: Six this here to further illustrate the, Point i'm looking

1143
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: at our schedule matrix that we put together when we

1144
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: did That Secret cake. Episode we did the schedule breakdowns

1145
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: way back WHEN i Had purdue scheduled labeled As, cake

1146
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: and in looking at it, NOW i feel completely. Different,

1147
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: honestly it feels a lot different to me listening to

1148
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: you talk about the team and then seeing this again

1149
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: after a couple. Months it's. Interesting perdue definitely has a

1150
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of. VARIABILITY i think in that middle and we'll

1151
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: see they're over unders seven and a.

1152
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: Half, YEAH i may take the. Under so here are

1153
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: the losable games For purdue right now as it. Stands

1154
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: Penn state At, syracuse At, Minnesota i'll, say At maryland

1155
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: if the defense isn't up to, Snuff, Nebraska, Wisconsin iowa At,

1156
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: illinois And i'll probably end it right. There how many games, one, two, three, four, five, six,

1157
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: seven eight losable? Games realistically losable games to go four and.

1158
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: Eight that's the issue with. Me we're, like, YEH i

1159
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: can see it absolutely all.

1160
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Right who's your pick in The west, again it's or

1161
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: for the first, Time i'm Going.

1162
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: Iowa you, know my mind's don, know but what they

1163
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: are able to do in terms of turning over teams

1164
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 2: more often than they. Should once again circling back to,

1165
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: that the continuity that's in. PLACE i don't. KNOW i

1166
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: think just them playing defense better than anybody does anything

1167
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: consistently in this in this conference or this. Division excuse,

1168
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: Me i'll Go iowa.

1169
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: Again, yeah. BEGRUDGINGLY i can. Sense.

1170
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: Begrudgingly my heart Says. Nebraska that's If i'm going to

1171
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: be seduced by, anything It's. NEBRASKA i don't want to

1172
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: be aligned With Graham. HERTZ i don't want to be

1173
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: aligned With, purdue the worst Of. PURDUE i don't want

1174
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: to be aligned With. NORTHWESTERN i don't want to be

1175
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: aligned with who AM i missing here right? Now in

1176
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: terms of competitive, TEAMS.

1177
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: I think you got them.

1178
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: All, Yeah like the alignment is is very. Difficult LIKE

1179
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: i don't want to be aligned With Tommy. DeVito SO

1180
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: i don't love being allied With Spencer Paige, Petris Betris.

1181
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: Spetris but give Me Jack, campbell you give Me Riley. Moss,

1182
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: yeah it's try going to do something. Stupid BUT i

1183
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: can't do The grammarts thing. AGAIN i just. CAN'T i

1184
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: can't bring myself to.

1185
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: It All, right That Stan's big Ten west previsoliverble at

1186
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: gmail dot. Com it's how you can write in let

1187
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: us know what we, miss what we got, wrong we got.

1188
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: Right also overballers dot, com as we, said is The

1189
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: patreon where you can go and become a certified premium

1190
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: for ball or you can chat about all these. Episodes

1191
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: you can get them. Early then you can chat about

1192
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: the episodes in our, discord which all throughout the preseason

1193
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: here has been going. Off been a great place to

1194
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: hang if you're a college football fan and just enjoy

1195
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: other like minded. Fans, uh you.

1196
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: Want me to do the mac. Weest? Yeah do you

1197
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: have a team that's Not? Iowa do you Like wisconsin?

1198
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: More who do you have coming? Out guess It's.

1199
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: IO i feel the same About iowa as. YOU i

1200
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: am intrigued By, nebraska AND i am hopeful that we're

1201
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: going to see a little bit more offensively From, wisconsin

1202
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: something outside the. NORM i want to believe In Bobby.

1203
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: Ingram remember that fleeting moment this, summer OR i guess

1204
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: in the spring when we thought Maybe Caleb williams would

1205
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: Join Bobby angram At wisconsin. Negotiation, YEAH i want to

1206
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: believe In wisconsin doing something. Different it's Just i've tried

1207
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: believing the last couple of years and it hasn't been.

1208
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: Different So i'm a bit.

1209
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: Scarred what about breakthrough Sky yuma finally getting to the championship.

1210
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: GAME i don't know about the.

1211
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: Championship, game But i'm in on the over seven and a.

1212
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: HALF i took that bet many moons. Ago i'm where

1213
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: Does i'm in On minnesota getting to eight?

1214
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: Wins So minnesota Has iowa at home And wisconsin on the.

1215
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 2: Road if those are the two big threats in the

1216
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: division to finish the, season mind you. Yep so if

1217
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: we Think iowa is the, Favorite minnesota getting them at

1218
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: home is at least a decent reason to believe in

1219
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: The gophers more than. Usual and if you're going to

1220
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: talk yourself into a more ballots team Than, Iowa minnesota

1221
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: because of recent, history because of portal movement on, defense

1222
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: because of you, know or returns to health from O,

1223
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: ibraham if he's able to you, know approximate where he,

1224
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: was they at least present.

1225
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: Balance they present balance to some. Extent the limitter for

1226
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: me With minnesota is the line. Play and you, know

1227
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: you could talk about the philosophies of different conferences and

1228
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: different teams and divisions within The Big ten is going

1229
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: to have pretty good line, play especially on the defensive.

1230
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: SIDE i, think mostly across the, board and so maybe

1231
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: not as much the case in The Big Ten, west

1232
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: but certainly in The, east and that worries. Me on

1233
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: The minnesota, SIDE i don't know what to. EXPECT i

1234
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: don't know to what extent they'll be able to open

1235
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: up leans in that running game and then Keep Tanner morgan.

1236
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: Upright one of the best blitzing teams last year In

1237
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: america number two and blitz down success, rate but their

1238
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: overall pass rush when they weren't blitzing was not especially

1239
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: impressive go in the red zone situationally decent on third,

1240
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: down the number one passing down defense In america last

1241
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: year In. Minnesota, now a lot of defense is. TALENTED

1242
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: a lot of it is you, know personnel and depth

1243
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: and the ability to rotate in and. Out so the

1244
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: upside Of, minnesota if they're able to develop and get

1245
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: the most out of the portal, guys is. Interesting, yeah that's.

1246
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: All should we Talk Mac. West let's Talk.

1247
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: Mac let's let's talk about The Big Mac. West we Got,

1248
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: Toledo Central, Michigan Western, Michigan Eastern, Michigan Ball, state And Northern.

1249
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 2: Illinois seduce, ME.

1250
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: I feel good About. Toledo, OKAY i feel good About.

1251
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: Toledo toledo went seven and six last. Year on, paper

1252
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: there's actually a lot to like about this. Team they

1253
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: are again led by a defense that brings most of

1254
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: its guys back from a unit last year that was

1255
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: like twenty first in plus defensive sp. Plus the defense

1256
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,439
Speaker 1: alone makes THEM i think the favorite to win THE Mac.

1257
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: West the offense last year was, average like sixty fifth

1258
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: overall in the sp. Plus if you told me that

1259
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: they jumped just ten spots that they're the fifty fifth

1260
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: best offense this, Year i'd say they're a lock for The.

1261
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: WEST i can't guarantee that that's going to, happen but,

1262
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: again so much of what we talk about here is

1263
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: marginal improvement from year to year or just week to,

1264
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: week month to. Month if they can jump ten, spots their.

1265
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: Lock The Kwan finn was excellent at quarterback last year

1266
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: as a, freshman eighteen touchdowns to just two. Interceptions they

1267
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: can do so much with him because he's really a gifted.

1268
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: Runner Jason kandell has to replace production at running. Back

1269
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: Bryan kobak has. Gone he mass close to eighteen hundred

1270
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: yards fifteen touchdowns on the ground last, season so there

1271
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: are some questions about offensively what that's going to look.

1272
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: Like BUT i think there's enough returning there That toledo's

1273
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: probably my pick in The. West SO i feel good

1274
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: about The rockets to that. Extent.

1275
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: YEAH i lost lost close games To Northern, Illinois Central

1276
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: michigan And Eastern, michigan so winnable games to say the,

1277
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: Least so they could you, know if The kokie crumbles

1278
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: in a slightly different, way they're flirting with double digit. Wins.

1279
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah and to some, extent last year was a

1280
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: disappointment For Jason. Kandell you, know he's another name has

1281
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: been around. FOREVER i would have thought that for sure

1282
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: he'd be coaching elsewhere right in college football by. Now

1283
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. Yet if he continues building this thing,

1284
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: OUT i think he'll eventually get. There BUT i Like

1285
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: toledo a. LOT i also Like Central. Michigan Central MICHIGAN

1286
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: i think is interesting on a couple different. Levels if

1287
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: you look back at what we saw last, season gave

1288
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: up a ton of big plays and now they have

1289
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: to rebuild basically their entire, defense which is not good

1290
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: but also makes them interesting right like they'll feel, IT i,

1291
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: think especially along the, line since both of their starting

1292
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: defensive ends are. Gone there really. Good THE s AND

1293
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: p plus did not like this defense last year at.

1294
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: Don't include The. Ampers don't include The, ampers JUST S

1295
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: p plus THE sp.

1296
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: Plus excuse. Me the production along the line truly is

1297
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: what stopped THE sp plus from hating them. More they

1298
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: were good enough up front that it sort of worked

1299
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: together and it it kind of served as a limiter.

1300
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: THERE i like the pieces on Offense, DIRECTIONALLY i Think

1301
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: jim McElwain is building this thing in a good. Way

1302
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: but the defense again is going to be the issue

1303
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: and they're losing like seven guys, there so that that

1304
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: to me is a. Problem, OFFENSIVELY i Love Daniel, richardson

1305
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: sure quarterback shorter, dude but a baller at. Quarterback Lou

1306
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: nichols L. E. W nichols in the backfield next to,

1307
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: him huge focal point for the, offense got a ton

1308
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: of touches last. Year hopefully he gets some help this

1309
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: year that would be. Nice but either, way that, tandem

1310
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: The Dan richardson And Lou nichols combo will at least

1311
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: Make Central michigan fun to watch on, offense even if defense.

1312
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: Stinks, yeah and shout Out jim mcawayan who HAS i

1313
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: think had a seizure yeasically and is recovering from an

1314
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 2: episode there but seems to the prognosi it seems to

1315
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: be all. Right so hopefully mcaway is healthy and able

1316
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: to coach out the.

1317
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: Year Absolutely Northern. Illinois we talked a lot Of illinois

1318
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: football in this, show did we? Not of, course the

1319
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: Heart Attack huskies went nine to five last. Year they

1320
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: won six games by a combined twenty five points and

1321
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: they lost two games by a combined twenty six. Points

1322
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: this is a team that had a dreadful, defense but

1323
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: the offense was pretty good and they played a really

1324
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: physical brand of. Football Rocky lombardi remember. Him he's back at.

1325
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: Quarterback so Is Tom hammick at. Coach really just a

1326
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: year removed from a lot of folks writing him off

1327
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: because twenty twenty campaign was pretty. Bad this is a

1328
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: team that brings back a lot from last. SEASON i

1329
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: don't think the success in close games is going to

1330
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: be a repeat. Act they should get, Better, yeah but

1331
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,839
Speaker 1: it's just so hard to win like that when everything

1332
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: is on the. Margins everything else has to go right

1333
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: in order to yield more. Fruits So i'm mixed On

1334
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: Northern illinois this. Year they did well enough in.

1335
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: Those close game.

1336
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: Spots hopefully they've improved in the, offseason developed as a

1337
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: unit that they're not going to be in so many nail.

1338
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: Biers you, know it's tough for the, fans have nothing.

1339
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: More it sucks to be.

1340
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: There, yeah to the defense letting them down like, that that's.

1341
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: Tough that's a tough way to the tight rope. Act but,

1342
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: yeah they were really fun and that was What Rocky.

1343
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: Lombardi they're.

1344
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: Good Western michigan's interesting as. Well they have to Replace Caleb. Ellabi,

1345
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: yeah who was their big deal. Quarterback he's. Gone he

1346
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: was a big part of the reason Why western had

1347
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: a top forty offense last. Season they were pretty good on,

1348
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: offense so now they're looking for a new. Quarterback their

1349
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: receiver room has been gutted as. Well figures to be

1350
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: a more run oriented offense this, season so we'll see

1351
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: if that takes flight or. NOT i think the defense

1352
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: will take a step. Forward but in my, opinion this

1353
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: is really just a question of. Offense they're they're so

1354
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 1: gutted on that side of the ball and essentially starting

1355
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: over and rebuilding this thing that when they go eight

1356
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: and five last ye eight and five last, SEASON i

1357
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: don't know if they're getting back to eight and. Five all.

1358
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean it's a quality, program So i'm okay with.

1359
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: It they had a recent kind of and his name

1360
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 2: now escapes me At Western michigan a really good running

1361
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 2: back recently and Now i'm totally. Lost but, YEAH i

1362
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: mean they're a serious, program So i'm good To Western.

1363
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: Michigan they won THE acc last.

1364
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: Year they basically won to see last year and Beating

1365
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: Streat yeah, yeah, yeah they'd be pitt which was a

1366
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: really big deal for. Them but Losing Caleb, ALLIBIE i

1367
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: think is really going to. Hurt so we'll See Eastern

1368
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: michigan stay in the state Of. Michigan seven and six last.

1369
01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: Year eastern is set up for half team mid miss, definitely.

1370
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: Not because the.

1371
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: Offense is that, good but because the defense is that

1372
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: bad and we'll probably stay. Bad it was bad last.

1373
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: Year one hundred and twenty second in the Sp plus

1374
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 1: the defense has some, experience there just aren't any proven

1375
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: pieces and so again it's gonna be one of those

1376
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: deals where the offense will pick up the. Slack though

1377
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: they're going to be doing it with a new, Quarterback

1378
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: Ben bryant transferred back To, cincinnati and it looks like

1379
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: it's going to Be Taylor powell who transfers in From.

1380
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: Troy so you know the deal with these, things, right

1381
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: it's hit or miss on the. Transfers when you're moving

1382
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: guys in and, out shuffling some of these key, pieces

1383
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's anyone's guess as to how that's going

1384
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: to come together and materialize or not. Materialize we'll. See

1385
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: i'm not super optimistic. THERE i do think we'll see

1386
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: that half team. Inness we will see the defense again

1387
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: being a really low.

1388
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: Spot i'm on their team profile, page are behind the

1389
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: scenes team profile. Page they are a postgame win expected

1390
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:05,520
Speaker 2: See All star. Team yeah just, yeah. Exactly the jaws

1391
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: of victory With Eastern michigan winning exceedingly losable games is

1392
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: their special. Power let's close it out with Ball. State.

1393
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: YEAH i am out fully out on Ball state's, okay

1394
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: fully out on Ball. State this is a year after

1395
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: declaring Ball state the ultimate super mega trap game For Penn.

1396
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: State you remember, that oh, right, right remember that game last?

1397
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 1: Year we're talking about it all off. SEASON i watch

1398
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: out for Ball. State watched they were good in THE

1399
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: mac in twenty. Twenty they stink They last year was

1400
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: a big sad. FART i mean it was just after

1401
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: a really good twenty twenty to go six and seven

1402
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: the way they did it was so. Disappointing now a

1403
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: lot's gone from that team and it just seems like

1404
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: it's too much to replace in one. Offseason this could

1405
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: be like a three win. Team, okay So i'm. Out

1406
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: i'm out on Ball state completely this. Year let me

1407
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: down last, year And i'm never looking. Back but If

1408
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,799
Speaker 1: i'm picking among these, TEAMS i THINK i Picked. TOLEDO

1409
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: i think the defense will be, solid defense will be

1410
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: really really. Good there are points of interest throughout The,

1411
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: macwest and, LOOK i mean we talk about mactionin right

1412
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: all the. Time there are plenty of points of interest

1413
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: across the, conference but certainly in The. Macwest just with

1414
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: a lot of turnover key names that are going to

1415
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: be missing this year and coaches having to try and

1416
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: find a replacement.

1417
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 2: Solution fair, enough all, right last year's champ Was Northern.

1418
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: Illinois is that? Correct?

1419
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1420
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah AND i THINK i MEAN i Have, miami O

1421
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: ohio And toledo coming out for THE Mac championship. GAME

1422
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 2: i THINK i feel. BETTER i THINK i feel better About.

1423
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 2: Miami the quarterback, Continuity, YEAH i Like Brek, avert but.

1424
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: Okay, YEAH i like the quarterback situation At. Toledo Dakwan,

1425
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: finn LIKE i, said was really. Good.

1426
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh he's really. FUN i like. Him he's a

1427
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: ton of.

1428
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: Fun he's really good with the, ball and definitely wise

1429
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: beyond his, years didn't make a lot of dumb, mistakes

1430
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: WHICH i think is something that you see typically with,

1431
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: freshman first year starting. Quarterbacks having that defense as a

1432
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: backstop helps. Losing Bryant kobak's a big one. Though, yeah

1433
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: he was truly a focal. Point maybe more of that

1434
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: responsibility falls to The Kwan finn now that he's had

1435
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: a year in the system and has proven that he's

1436
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: not going to do anything stupid with the. Ball that

1437
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: would be my. SUSPICION i Think Jason kandall knows how

1438
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: to coach and win like.

1439
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: That but, yeah it never. Helps by the, way when

1440
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 2: you're surprised That Jason kandall hasn't gotten a bigger job

1441
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: when the last guy got that bigger, JOB i, know

1442
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 2: and was, atrocious a big, mistake so that. Hurts all.

1443
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: Right, well there you have, It big Ten, West Mac.

1444
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