WEBVTT - Vocal Adrenaline with Cheyenne Jackson 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.440 And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.080 And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.680 Welcome to and That's what you real miss podcast. Kevin, 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.439 we have an angel of a person today. We have 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.640 Shyanne Jackson. I just like was a huge man. This 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.759 was he was like in the generation of like me 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.520 when I was coming up in musical theater, in training 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.040 in the school, going to see Broadway shows every night. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.760 I had a chance to like student rush a show 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.440 or on the weekend, like Cheyenne was in those shows. 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.800 Like he was just a household Broadway name at that point. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.559 So to hear that he was coming on Glee, I 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.440 was just thrilled. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.080 Thrill. I feel like so many of the guest stars 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.000 we had were of that same era, Broadway era, and 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:59.160 like fame and success level that it must have just 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.640 been a field day, Yes, like every other week for you. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.319 Yes, I mean starting with Kristen, I mean you even 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.319 had Matt who you obviously became a friend very quickly, 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.160 and then you have the Cheyennes and the ms and 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.679 I just grof and I just was like, I can't, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.920 I just can't do it anymore. I can't do it anymore. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.360 I would have never known so exciting. But there's just 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.200 like they were they they were so formative for me 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.560 in my you know, training, and in my dreams, in 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:33.480 following my dreams. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.360 So and it's so nice to know that they're also 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.840 because we spent so much time with them, that they're 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:43.320 good people, all of them. Yeah, it's a really a 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.080 testament to you know, people always say like, oh, the 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.360 good guy finishes last, not always, not always. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:55.120 No, but our good people and our good crew of 0:01:55.160 --> 0:02:00.480 people and our Glee family enjoyed this conversation with Cheyenne. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.600 Oh oh, Chyenne Jackson, voice of an Angel, Face of 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.960 an Angel of an Angel, Kevin, thank you. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.760 Shows up whenever we ask. I'm like, heyshi, and can 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:12.600 you come see it this thing? 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:13.200 Yeah? 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.600 Can you go to a podcast? Yeah? 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.800 Yeah, just the nicest And I'll never forget the moment 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:24.000 of hearing you sing live for the first time. I 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:28.560 was just like, okay, yeah, so if that's what people 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:35.000 are doing, I'm gonna go home. And no, it wasn't 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.680 you have If people have not heard you sing, I 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.240 don't know who they are, but you are just one 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.320 of the best singers I've ever heard my entire life, 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.560 my goodness. Yes, it's true though we talked about it 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:50.800 all the time, like you're a freak. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.079 We were so thrilled when you came on the show, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.080 very early on. You were one of the first like 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:03.000 guest stars. And I have to say I had seen 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:07.520 you in Xana Do Right, and I was like, you, guys, 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.839 you don't understand you can roller skate and he can zing. 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.520 I'm super stoked. I was so excited. We were so 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.440 so happy to have you. What can do you remember? 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.040 Did you have to audition? Was this a call from Ryan? 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.560 How did you get involved with the show. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.560 I was trying to wrack my brain before this, but 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:33.560 I'm pretty sure that I auditioned for mister Shue. I 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.280 think I think I just sent in a tape, like 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.200 a tape from New York. And I had been friends 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.520 with Matt for oh my god, our whole Broadway careers. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.960 We would we would watch work together and I would 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.360 go to like my and then he would go to 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.880 like South Pacific or whatever, and so I was super 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:56.600 thrilled for him, honestly when he got it. And then Ryan, Yeah, 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.040 it was a call from Ryan. Ryan saw Xana Do 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.800 and UH said, oh, I want you to be on 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:07.000 Lee and I have this great idea. He was trying 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.320 to figure out what it was going to be or 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:13.840 how he was in and then his initial pitch changed, 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.479 as we all know that happens, and so he and 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:22.080 then it morphed, and then I was he was like, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.960 I have this, I have this other part. It's it's 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.200 now going to be. You're going to be like this choreographer, 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.000 the special choreographer that gets brought on to like, you know, 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.040 give everybody this, this this great new stuff. That's great. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.279 And then I came out there and I got sick. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.000 I had oh my god, yeah, I was in my 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:50.960 fitting with uh uh I rick. Yeah, I was so 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.440 sick and I'm like, thank I don't usually get it 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.320 and and I was so sick, and I was like, 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:56.760 get it together, You're fine. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:57.720 But I had a. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.719 Fever and I was lying on the ground of costume 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.599 shop and I was just like, oh, this is not 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.520 going to happen. It's not gonna happen. And so they 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.520 had to scrap it. And then as somebody else quickly 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:16.599 you know, okay, well there's my glue experience. And then 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.200 I guess maybe it was the same season. I think 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.080 it was season two. Then I got another call from 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.680 Ryan and he's like, Okay, I have a different idea 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.120 and you're going to be this like evil coach of 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.400 vocal adrenaline. You're going to be like you're gonna go 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.840 head to head with Matt. And I was like, this 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.080 is this is quite fun. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.200 Yeah, I do fun. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.680 I loved it. And then yeah, and so yeah, I 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.000 did an audition. But I came in and I remember 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.800 it was the second you guys it was. It had 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:50.080 just become a juggernaut and it was like the world 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.040 was on fire. And I remember coming to set for 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.360 the first time and like, and Leah, who I just 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.800 knew a little bit from you guys in Spring Wakening, 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.719 she like ran across the parking lot a flying leap, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.040 like a monkey around me, and I was very sweet, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.440 and we're so excited you're here. But I had never 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:16.039 been on a set with that much energy. There was 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.920 so much energy around all of you guys that was 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.159 like wild wild to just be like a fly on 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.760 the wall and watch like all of your little orbits 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.000 and the you know. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:29.080 The. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.640 Excitement and the drama and the politics and all the 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.080 things that come with like with New fame. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:37.039 It was. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.559 It was wild. Yeah, I had a great I remember 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:47.080 my first big thing. I had this long monologue with 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.520 Gwyneth Paltrow, Yes, and it was like one of those 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.800 long like you know Jane Lynch monologues, rapid fire it 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.760 out and camera moves, and I remember like Gwyneth was 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.839 completely off book, perfect, perfect, hit every mark, and I 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.279 was like, I need to nail this. But I'm an 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:13.760 over preparer, so I knew that no matter what happened, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:14.360 I would be fine. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:14.960 But I was. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.600 It was really exciting and she was so good and yeah, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.360 so that was Remember that was my first kind of 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:21.920 big thing. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.080 Crazy like coming to the show that has now just 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.040 like reached its peak of popularity and do the scene 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:28.840 with Gwinne Pucho. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:33.560 It was total shitting my pants, it was. But you 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.520 guys were, Yeah, I couldn't believe how how long the 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.160 days were and the musical component, and you guys were 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.640 all having to record and then rehearse and then come back. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.080 I remember one night it was one of the times, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.480 one of the times where you all went to regionals 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:51.520 like every every. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.520 Year, every couple of months. It was a competition and 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:56.160 we were. 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.960 I remember where we were. It was like I want 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.040 to say, like Long Beach or something. It was far yeah, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.560 and there's like this auditorium and like half the audience 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.080 was was background, but then the other half were like 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.560 blow up dolls terrifying. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:13.520 It was. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.240 It was so incredible to see you all like do 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.760 these numbers over and over and over and over again. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.880 Because you know, I know from my years on Horror Story, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.080 you say, just when you think they have the coverage, 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.000 then they're like, now we're going to do a fish 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.880 eye lens down right, SU's ear coverage. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.120 Yes, but then every. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.920 Time you had to still give a full performance, and 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.120 it was like four in the morning, and I was saying, like, 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.720 how is this going to happen? You guys did it. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.600 Over and over and over and over, but watching it back, 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.440 I'm like, oh, I'm dead behind the eyes doing this. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.560 Did you know that you like, weren't going to be 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.280 a performer on the show, Like, was you were you 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.599 prepared for that? Did you think you were going to 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.760 sing and do all these things? 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.400 Yes? I did think I was going to sing, right 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:19.280 of course. Of course, the whole I think the initial 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.400 idea was he said, you and aDNA are going to 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.120 be together romantically and then you're going to sing. And 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.800 I was just like wow because I knew a Dina 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.000 from New York and I just it was so and 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.520 then it just kind of veered and there were too 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.000 many there were so many storylines, and then things kept 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:42.360 getting trimmed, and it was really my first experience of 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:46.760 like a meditation in just like going with the flow, yes, 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.920 letting it be. And I remember like some of my 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.000 big chunky stuff was cut before we even shot it 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.960 one day and I went to and went to Matt 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.120 in his trailer and I was like, man, I'm so 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.280 bummed because I all this stuff and I worked so 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.680 hard on it, and and he was like, it just happens. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.040 It's not personal. It happens to all of us on here. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.680 We all have these great arcs and then they're suddenly like, no, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.160 we're adding a song for whoever, and it just is 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.440 not enough time. And it was really good because I 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.080 was really I was really butt hurt at first and 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.720 I was like, this is just not what I imagined. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.520 But then once I just changed my perspective on it, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.160 it has helped me in every other job since because 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.880 because as you know, you have to just kind of 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.720 like roll with it and yeah, yeah, I had a 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.240 great time on it. And then I can I can 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.880 say I'm one of the only you know, singing guest stars. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:41.760 They didn't sing on Glee. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:48.319 It's actually maddening and sad, and I was starting to justice. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:56.000 Neil Patrick, Harris, John Stamos, Matt Boehmer, like. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.640 All of my peers, like. 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:00.680 I'm the only the bitch here. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.120 That's why it was, like I think it was at 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.280 a Tremor Project thing when I got to hear you 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:10.800 sing yes, I was just like, wait, this is who 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:16.920 we've had. I remember like running back stage to see 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.240 you or something afterwards. My mind was because I had 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.679 heard from Jenna and everybody, because I was not a 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:26.520 Broadway person, like I didn't know idiot, I had no idea, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.840 And then I just remember looking around being like what 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:29.480 are we doing. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.319 I remember it as a soundtrack. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.920 This is the best voice ever on the show that 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.960 it's not on the show. Furious, very good. I'm also 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.360 just mad at the missed opportunity of you and Aadana 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:43.600 and like Matt doing something together. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.240 Yes, So I think that's the embarrassment of Riches with 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.160 that show. There were so many people that could come 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.679 on and do so many things, and sure, I've let 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.600 Ryan have it about that over the years. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.400 We were so lucky that to have you like you were, 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.640 I mean, you're just the nicest person, but getting you 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.480 terrifying as a local generally coach, which is so funny 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.360 because when I didn't know you as well at first, 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:16.760 I was like, he's scary. Yeah, it's like, actually scary you. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.280 I love to play the bad guy and I never 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.720 think of bad guys as bad. And one of the 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:25.960 favorite things that came out of that show is my 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:32.800 friendship with Jane and such a such a delicious person, 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.160 and you know, we've done concerts together and kind of 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.920 I love that. Yeah. I just love to find the 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:47.000 joy in the badness and and really dig deep and 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.439 with the little protege that I brought on. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.280 Oh yes, Jake Sunshine HoriZone Sunshine Horizon. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:55.640 Yeah. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:13:00.439 But I remember seeing them on like, uh a vocal 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.200 show before it, and I was just how serendipitous that 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.640 they were able to get them and then come on 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:07.199 and be this. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.120 Righte and for totally. 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.679 I remember they hadn't ever really acted before and that 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.480 was that was fun part about that show. It's just 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.240 like you never knew who's going to pop up. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.480 It's still a very controversial thing because Rachel in the show, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:27.400 Rachel takes Sunshine to a crack dad. Yeah, Rachel directs 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.720 them too for the audition. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:31.760 Ye. 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.320 And then you guys got to work. You worked with 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.760 like Jane and Steven and Jescelyn is like the League 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.640 of Doom. That's so much fun that it's it's just 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:41.920 so funch fun to watch you guys. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.120 Anytime there was stuff with Jane, it was always amazing. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:53.200 She just think never misses, no, never misses, positive, grateful 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:53.720 to be there. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.800 Yes, that's right as a human and then as an actor, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:04.480 and like if Jane has these men massive tongue twister lines, monologues, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.920 you show up to work and she has it down 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.199 and she doesn't bat an eye. You're like, don't laugh 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.760 and mess up her take. And also, don't mess up 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.920 your one line because it's not nearly as hard. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.680 As that's harder. Don't you think that's harder when you 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.520 if you have a big but your focus the interjections 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:27.920 where you're like, I think. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:33.440 You're like nightmare, nightmare of screwing up somebody's monologue and 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.320 what you're saying makes no sense. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.080 Might shid a lot of those too, because there's like 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.400 eighteen of us in a room, and sometimes you just 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.400 have one line and you don't know what it comes 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.120 before or after, and you don't remember what it's about, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.680 and you just your train of thought is not there 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.840 because it's not there's no stream of consciousness. 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.160 It's the worst. Those are my favorite ones. And you 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.520 literally are like, do I even know English? 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:56.160 Right? 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.760 I think I know what? And then it's almost just 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.800 like a timing thing. I guess I'm going to just 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.320 say after that guy says that thing. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:03.880 Yes, Yes. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.600 It's the equivalent of like entering White Roman. It's an 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.360 existential crisis of like why why am I somebody an actor? 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.880 And I don't think this is for me? I can't 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.080 even say two words. You got to do some of 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.760 those crazy, like any villain on the show. Yeah, got 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.200 to say the most insane shit. And it was always 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:24.960 so impressive when any like n I had to do 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.040 it a lot, Jane, you Becca had to do it a. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.600 Lot, Yes, but I never really had to do that. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.720 Is it also just like delicious, you know, delicating to 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.080 say these evil because also like Ian would write these rants, yes, 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.320 and they were so funny and seemingly disconnected, but because 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.480 you're such a good writer, there was some sort of 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.240 like flow to it, like how was it learning that? 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:51.200 Performing that? 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.080 I think because I had done thirty Rock and thirty 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.800 Rock was similar in that it was it was me 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:02.000 yes with diald and Alec would have these long, long, 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.600 long things where he's like lemon your wit and everything 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.520 is just like rolling out. But I remember watching him 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.480 and learning from him, and so in anytime I would 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.080 get a long chunk, I would just learn it so 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.120 much to where you you it's not even it's not 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.920 even a question if you know your line right. But yeah, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.680 it was Also I think Ian wrote a lot of 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.400 my stuff, and I remember one of my lines was like, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.560 oh oh, my hairline is eighty five percent my own, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.040 and I was off the charts. I watched Drida Hamburg 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.120 like everything is just like it's. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.680 T it's forward, but it's also. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.440 Like what I didn't mean to say that, but it's true, so. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.920 So so fun I think pretty wrong. Yeah, prepared me 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:49.200 for that. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.040 But did you You mentioned your friendship with Matt Did 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.360 you love getting to be sort of you know, the 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.720 villain against Matt. Yes, like that must have been such 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:00.720 a joy to work together. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.520 It was such a joy and we loved The last 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.640 time I was on it was I can't remember the season, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.560 maybe it was just one season. I can't even remember. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.119 But the last episode I did was at like a 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.600 state championship, and then that was another one where we 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.719 had a big, huge scene that was cut but then 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.840 they just truncated it to this little scene at the bar. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:27.040 But it was right because we got to we just 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.520 got to use a lot of our our own real 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.840 life rivalry. And we all hate about it because in 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.800 real life it was like, you know, him and I 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.159 for a lot of different things, and so we just 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:44.240 like leaned into that and everything was just very open 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.880 and like, god, we can you know, I can't really 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.840 do That's not really my vibe to just go play 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:52.520 the dark. 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.840 Side of Yes. Yes, yeah, you guys are similar in 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:01.080 ways in that leading man type way, but you very fork. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.760 Yeah, he plays very and then positive. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.160 Chip chipper yeah, uplift. 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:07.280 Yeah. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:12.320 Now you've worked on multiple Ryan Murphy sets. Now after 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.399 your experience with Lee, which was the first one, correct, Yeah, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.160 what was it like walking on to another Ryan set. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.760 Did they run the same way. Did you feel like 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:25.680 you had an understanding of how his shows are run 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.119 since you had been on one before. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.880 Were you more impressed by us than Lady Gaga? 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.560 There will be never anything as exciting as that walking 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.679 onto that Glease set, I'm telling you how well it 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.720 was electricity. It really was fascinating. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.680 I wish we knew what the hell was going on. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:44.520 That's the thing you never know. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.320 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.439 Actually the next thing after that was I was casting. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.920 He cast me in his pilot, this HBO pilot called Open. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.280 Oh yeah, oh. Because of course, like anytime Ryan started 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:58.879 doing anything else, we would all talk about it, and 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.920 we would see people coming with meetings for meetings and things, and. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.480 Yeah, there was like throttles and it was like the 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.120 beginning of you know, his kind of the exploration into 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.520 that world. So that didn't end up happening. But then 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.119 I saw him at I saw Ryan at Equinox and 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:18.680 he was like, I'm going to take a spin class. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.080 Do you want to take a spin class with me? 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.960 I was like, okay, sure, so I took it. It 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:23.960 wasn't really my vibe. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.920 But what is Ryan like in a spin class. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.720 He he hunkers down and he just like gets it done. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.520 He's like, he's really good at it. He likes to 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.080 sit in the back. Yeah, So like he sat in 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.439 the back of the spin class and he was We're 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.520 huffing and puffing and kind of like, you know, the 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.640 spin instructors, they're kind of like giving you life advice, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.080 but they're all like beautiful models. And I remember the. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:48.879 Guy I done there and he was like, you know, 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:49.760 if life gets you. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:55.240 Down, and we're like, oh god, and over the music 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.080 shouts to me, I want you to be on American 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.439 Horror Story and you're going to be married to Lady Goga. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:08.560 What can you say a little louder. I couldn't believe 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:16.280 my ears, and just because I had seen four times 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:21.520 in New York and small before, she'd kind of exploded. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.120 it was. It was just one of those things where 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.720 I was like, Wow, this is lucky. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.160 That is the craziest job offer story I've ever heard. 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:36.040 It was awesome. And then so I I hadn't really 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.040 watched the first few seasons because actually, honestly, I'm not 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:44.720 a huge fan of Gore. Yeah, like horror sometimes Horror 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.399 Story was a little too rough for me to watch, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.920 but I was like, let's just get into this. And 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.000 my first season I really got into it was the 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:52.959 Freak Show season. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:53.960 Yeah. 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.280 I was like, okay, this is I just read the 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.880 music and the swampy look. Yeah, I was like, this 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.120 is insane. And I was friends with Sarah Paulson from 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:05.560 New York. 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:06.280 Right. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:12.080 So the next season after that was a hotel that 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.480 they you know, be with Gaga, and I remember my 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:20.879 first day on set. It was so intimidating. It was 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.240 the most because he built a real hotel with the 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:28.600 real you know, elevator, and you didn't even like you 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.480 were in the elevator, you were in the hotel. And 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:37.159 I was so nervous about meeting Gaga because I just 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.440 wanted to you know, I was really prepared. I knew 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.439 what I wanted to do, but I just wanted to 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.439 impress her. And I didn't want to come off to eager, 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.159 but I didn't come off to aloof but just you know, 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.080 the first day of school where I away like I'm 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.320