1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 3: Welcome to and That's what you real miss podcast. Kevin, 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 3: we have an angel of a person today. We have 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: Shyanne Jackson. I just like was a huge man. This 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 3: was he was like in the generation of like me 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: when I was coming up in musical theater, in training 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: in the school, going to see Broadway shows every night. 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: I had a chance to like student rush a show 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: or on the weekend, like Cheyenne was in those shows. 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: Like he was just a household Broadway name at that point. 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 3: So to hear that he was coming on Glee, I 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: was just thrilled. 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Thrill. I feel like so many of the guest stars 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: we had were of that same era, Broadway era, and 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: like fame and success level that it must have just 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: been a field day, Yes, like every other week for you. 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean starting with Kristen, I mean you even 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 3: had Matt who you obviously became a friend very quickly, 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: and then you have the Cheyennes and the ms and 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: I just grof and I just was like, I can't, 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: I just can't do it anymore. I can't do it anymore. 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: I would have never known so exciting. But there's just 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: like they were they they were so formative for me 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: in my you know, training, and in my dreams, in 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: following my dreams. 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: So and it's so nice to know that they're also 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: because we spent so much time with them, that they're 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 2: good people, all of them. Yeah, it's a really a 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: testament to you know, people always say like, oh, the 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: good guy finishes last, not always, not always. 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: No, but our good people and our good crew of 33 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: people and our Glee family enjoyed this conversation with Cheyenne. 34 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: Oh oh, Chyenne Jackson, voice of an Angel, Face of 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: an Angel of an Angel, Kevin, thank you. 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: Shows up whenever we ask. I'm like, heyshi, and can 37 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: you come see it this thing? 38 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: Can you go to a podcast? Yeah? 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, just the nicest And I'll never forget the moment 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: of hearing you sing live for the first time. I 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: was just like, okay, yeah, so if that's what people 43 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: are doing, I'm gonna go home. And no, it wasn't 44 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: you have If people have not heard you sing, I 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: don't know who they are, but you are just one 46 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: of the best singers I've ever heard my entire life, 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: my goodness. Yes, it's true though we talked about it 48 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: all the time, like you're a freak. 49 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 3: We were so thrilled when you came on the show, 50 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: very early on. You were one of the first like 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: guest stars. And I have to say I had seen 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: you in Xana Do Right, and I was like, you, guys, 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,839 Speaker 3: you don't understand you can roller skate and he can zing. 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: I'm super stoked. I was so excited. We were so 55 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: so happy to have you. What can do you remember? 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: Did you have to audition? Was this a call from Ryan? 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: How did you get involved with the show. 58 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: I was trying to wrack my brain before this, but 59 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that I auditioned for mister Shue. I 60 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: think I think I just sent in a tape, like 61 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: a tape from New York. And I had been friends 62 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: with Matt for oh my god, our whole Broadway careers. 63 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: We would we would watch work together and I would 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: go to like my and then he would go to 65 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: like South Pacific or whatever, and so I was super 66 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: thrilled for him, honestly when he got it. And then Ryan, Yeah, 67 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: it was a call from Ryan. Ryan saw Xana Do 68 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: and UH said, oh, I want you to be on 69 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Lee and I have this great idea. He was trying 70 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: to figure out what it was going to be or 71 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: how he was in and then his initial pitch changed, 72 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: as we all know that happens, and so he and 73 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: then it morphed, and then I was he was like, 74 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: I have this, I have this other part. It's it's 75 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: now going to be. You're going to be like this choreographer, 76 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: the special choreographer that gets brought on to like, you know, 77 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: give everybody this, this this great new stuff. That's great. 78 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: And then I came out there and I got sick. 79 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: I had oh my god, yeah, I was in my 80 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: fitting with uh uh I rick. Yeah, I was so 81 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: sick and I'm like, thank I don't usually get it 82 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: and and I was so sick, and I was like, 83 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: get it together, You're fine. 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: But I had a. 85 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: Fever and I was lying on the ground of costume 86 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: shop and I was just like, oh, this is not 87 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: going to happen. It's not gonna happen. And so they 88 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: had to scrap it. And then as somebody else quickly 89 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: you know, okay, well there's my glue experience. And then 90 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: I guess maybe it was the same season. I think 91 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: it was season two. Then I got another call from 92 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Ryan and he's like, Okay, I have a different idea 93 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: and you're going to be this like evil coach of 94 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: vocal adrenaline. You're going to be like you're gonna go 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: head to head with Matt. And I was like, this 96 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: is this is quite fun. 97 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do fun. 98 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: I loved it. And then yeah, and so yeah, I 99 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: did an audition. But I came in and I remember 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: it was the second you guys it was. It had 101 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: just become a juggernaut and it was like the world 102 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: was on fire. And I remember coming to set for 103 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: the first time and like, and Leah, who I just 104 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: knew a little bit from you guys in Spring Wakening, 105 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: she like ran across the parking lot a flying leap, 106 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: like a monkey around me, and I was very sweet, 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: and we're so excited you're here. But I had never 108 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: been on a set with that much energy. There was 109 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: so much energy around all of you guys that was 110 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: like wild wild to just be like a fly on 111 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: the wall and watch like all of your little orbits 112 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: and the you know. 113 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: The. 114 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: Excitement and the drama and the politics and all the 115 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: things that come with like with New fame. 116 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: It was. 117 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 1: It was wild. Yeah, I had a great I remember 118 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: my first big thing. I had this long monologue with 119 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow, Yes, and it was like one of those 120 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: long like you know Jane Lynch monologues, rapid fire it 121 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: out and camera moves, and I remember like Gwyneth was 122 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: completely off book, perfect, perfect, hit every mark, and I 123 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: was like, I need to nail this. But I'm an 124 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: over preparer, so I knew that no matter what happened, 125 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: I would be fine. 126 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 5: But I was. 127 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: It was really exciting and she was so good and yeah, 128 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: so that was Remember that was my first kind of 129 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: big thing. 130 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: Crazy like coming to the show that has now just 131 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: like reached its peak of popularity and do the scene 132 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: with Gwinne Pucho. 133 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: It was total shitting my pants, it was. But you 134 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: guys were, Yeah, I couldn't believe how how long the 135 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: days were and the musical component, and you guys were 136 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: all having to record and then rehearse and then come back. 137 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: I remember one night it was one of the times, 138 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: one of the times where you all went to regionals 139 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: like every every. 140 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: Year, every couple of months. It was a competition and 141 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: we were. 142 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: I remember where we were. It was like I want 143 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: to say, like Long Beach or something. It was far yeah, 144 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: and there's like this auditorium and like half the audience 145 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: was was background, but then the other half were like 146 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: blow up dolls terrifying. 147 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 5: It was. 148 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: It was so incredible to see you all like do 149 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: these numbers over and over and over and over again. 150 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: Because you know, I know from my years on Horror Story, 151 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: you say, just when you think they have the coverage, 152 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: then they're like, now we're going to do a fish 153 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: eye lens down right, SU's ear coverage. 154 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: Yes, but then every. 155 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: Time you had to still give a full performance, and 156 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: it was like four in the morning, and I was saying, like, 157 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: how is this going to happen? You guys did it. 158 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: Over and over and over and over, but watching it back, 159 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm dead behind the eyes doing this. 160 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: Did you know that you like, weren't going to be 161 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: a performer on the show, Like, was you were you 162 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,599 Speaker 3: prepared for that? Did you think you were going to 163 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: sing and do all these things? 164 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: Yes? I did think I was going to sing, right 165 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: of course. Of course, the whole I think the initial 166 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: idea was he said, you and aDNA are going to 167 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: be together romantically and then you're going to sing. And 168 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: I was just like wow because I knew a Dina 169 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: from New York and I just it was so and 170 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: then it just kind of veered and there were too 171 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: many there were so many storylines, and then things kept 172 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: getting trimmed, and it was really my first experience of 173 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: like a meditation in just like going with the flow, yes, 174 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: letting it be. And I remember like some of my 175 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: big chunky stuff was cut before we even shot it 176 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: one day and I went to and went to Matt 177 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: in his trailer and I was like, man, I'm so 178 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: bummed because I all this stuff and I worked so 179 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: hard on it, and and he was like, it just happens. 180 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: It's not personal. It happens to all of us on here. 181 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: We all have these great arcs and then they're suddenly like, no, 182 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: we're adding a song for whoever, and it just is 183 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: not enough time. And it was really good because I 184 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: was really I was really butt hurt at first and 185 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: I was like, this is just not what I imagined. 186 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: But then once I just changed my perspective on it, 187 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: it has helped me in every other job since because 188 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: because as you know, you have to just kind of 189 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: like roll with it and yeah, yeah, I had a 190 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: great time on it. And then I can I can 191 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: say I'm one of the only you know, singing guest stars. 192 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: They didn't sing on Glee. 193 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 3: It's actually maddening and sad, and I was starting to justice. 194 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: Neil Patrick, Harris, John Stamos, Matt Boehmer, like. 195 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: All of my peers, like. 196 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm the only the bitch here. 197 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: That's why it was, like I think it was at 198 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: a Tremor Project thing when I got to hear you 199 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: sing yes, I was just like, wait, this is who 200 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: we've had. I remember like running back stage to see 201 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: you or something afterwards. My mind was because I had 202 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: heard from Jenna and everybody, because I was not a 203 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: Broadway person, like I didn't know idiot, I had no idea, 204 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: And then I just remember looking around being like what 205 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: are we doing. 206 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 3: I remember it as a soundtrack. 207 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: This is the best voice ever on the show that 208 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: it's not on the show. Furious, very good. I'm also 209 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: just mad at the missed opportunity of you and Aadana 210 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: and like Matt doing something together. 211 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: Yes, So I think that's the embarrassment of Riches with 212 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: that show. There were so many people that could come 213 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: on and do so many things, and sure, I've let 214 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: Ryan have it about that over the years. 215 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: We were so lucky that to have you like you were, 216 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: I mean, you're just the nicest person, but getting you 217 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: terrifying as a local generally coach, which is so funny 218 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: because when I didn't know you as well at first, 219 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: I was like, he's scary. Yeah, it's like, actually scary you. 220 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: I love to play the bad guy and I never 221 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: think of bad guys as bad. And one of the 222 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: favorite things that came out of that show is my 223 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: friendship with Jane and such a such a delicious person, 224 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: and you know, we've done concerts together and kind of 225 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. I just love to find the 226 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: joy in the badness and and really dig deep and 227 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: with the little protege that I brought on. 228 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: Oh yes, Jake Sunshine HoriZone Sunshine Horizon. 229 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 230 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: But I remember seeing them on like, uh a vocal 231 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: show before it, and I was just how serendipitous that 232 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: they were able to get them and then come on 233 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: and be this. 234 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: Righte and for totally. 235 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: I remember they hadn't ever really acted before and that 236 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: was that was fun part about that show. It's just 237 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: like you never knew who's going to pop up. 238 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: It's still a very controversial thing because Rachel in the show, 239 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: Rachel takes Sunshine to a crack dad. Yeah, Rachel directs 240 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: them too for the audition. 241 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 5: Ye. 242 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: And then you guys got to work. You worked with 243 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 3: like Jane and Steven and Jescelyn is like the League 244 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: of Doom. That's so much fun that it's it's just 245 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: so funch fun to watch you guys. 246 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: Anytime there was stuff with Jane, it was always amazing. 247 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: She just think never misses, no, never misses, positive, grateful 248 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: to be there. 249 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right as a human and then as an actor, 250 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: and like if Jane has these men massive tongue twister lines, monologues, 251 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: you show up to work and she has it down 252 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 3: and she doesn't bat an eye. You're like, don't laugh 253 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: and mess up her take. And also, don't mess up 254 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: your one line because it's not nearly as hard. 255 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: As that's harder. Don't you think that's harder when you 256 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: if you have a big but your focus the interjections 257 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: where you're like, I think. 258 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: You're like nightmare, nightmare of screwing up somebody's monologue and 259 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: what you're saying makes no sense. 260 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: Might shid a lot of those too, because there's like 261 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: eighteen of us in a room, and sometimes you just 262 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: have one line and you don't know what it comes 263 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: before or after, and you don't remember what it's about, 264 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: and you just your train of thought is not there 265 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: because it's not there's no stream of consciousness. 266 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: It's the worst. Those are my favorite ones. And you 267 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: literally are like, do I even know English? 268 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: Right? 269 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: I think I know what? And then it's almost just 270 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: like a timing thing. I guess I'm going to just 271 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: say after that guy says that thing. 272 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes. 273 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: It's the equivalent of like entering White Roman. It's an 274 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: existential crisis of like why why am I somebody an actor? 275 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: And I don't think this is for me? I can't 276 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: even say two words. You got to do some of 277 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: those crazy, like any villain on the show. Yeah, got 278 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: to say the most insane shit. And it was always 279 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: so impressive when any like n I had to do 280 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: it a lot, Jane, you Becca had to do it a. 281 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: Lot, Yes, but I never really had to do that. 282 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: Is it also just like delicious, you know, delicating to 283 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: say these evil because also like Ian would write these rants, yes, 284 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: and they were so funny and seemingly disconnected, but because 285 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: you're such a good writer, there was some sort of 286 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: like flow to it, like how was it learning that? 287 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: Performing that? 288 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: I think because I had done thirty Rock and thirty 289 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: Rock was similar in that it was it was me 290 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: yes with diald and Alec would have these long, long, 291 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: long things where he's like lemon your wit and everything 292 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: is just like rolling out. But I remember watching him 293 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: and learning from him, and so in anytime I would 294 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: get a long chunk, I would just learn it so 295 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: much to where you you it's not even it's not 296 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: even a question if you know your line right. But yeah, 297 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: it was Also I think Ian wrote a lot of 298 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: my stuff, and I remember one of my lines was like, 299 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: oh oh, my hairline is eighty five percent my own, 300 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: and I was off the charts. I watched Drida Hamburg 301 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: like everything is just like it's. 302 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: T it's forward, but it's also. 303 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 5: Like what I didn't mean to say that, but it's true, so. 304 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: So so fun I think pretty wrong. Yeah, prepared me 305 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: for that. 306 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: But did you You mentioned your friendship with Matt Did 307 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: you love getting to be sort of you know, the 308 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: villain against Matt. Yes, like that must have been such 309 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: a joy to work together. 310 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: It was such a joy and we loved The last 311 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: time I was on it was I can't remember the season, 312 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: maybe it was just one season. I can't even remember. 313 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: But the last episode I did was at like a 314 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: state championship, and then that was another one where we 315 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: had a big, huge scene that was cut but then 316 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: they just truncated it to this little scene at the bar. 317 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: But it was right because we got to we just 318 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: got to use a lot of our our own real 319 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: life rivalry. And we all hate about it because in 320 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: real life it was like, you know, him and I 321 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: for a lot of different things, and so we just 322 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: like leaned into that and everything was just very open 323 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: and like, god, we can you know, I can't really 324 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: do That's not really my vibe to just go play 325 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: the dark. 326 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: Side of Yes. Yes, yeah, you guys are similar in 327 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: ways in that leading man type way, but you very fork. 328 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays very and then positive. 329 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: Chip chipper yeah, uplift. 330 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 331 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: Now you've worked on multiple Ryan Murphy sets. Now after 332 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: your experience with Lee, which was the first one, correct, Yeah, 333 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: what was it like walking on to another Ryan set. 334 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: Did they run the same way. Did you feel like 335 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 3: you had an understanding of how his shows are run 336 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 3: since you had been on one before. 337 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: Were you more impressed by us than Lady Gaga? 338 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: There will be never anything as exciting as that walking 339 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: onto that Glease set, I'm telling you how well it 340 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: was electricity. It really was fascinating. 341 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: I wish we knew what the hell was going on. 342 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: That's the thing you never know. 343 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 344 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: Actually the next thing after that was I was casting. 345 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: He cast me in his pilot, this HBO pilot called Open. 346 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh. Because of course, like anytime Ryan started 347 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: doing anything else, we would all talk about it, and 348 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: we would see people coming with meetings for meetings and things, and. 349 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like throttles and it was like the 350 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: beginning of you know, his kind of the exploration into 351 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: that world. So that didn't end up happening. But then 352 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: I saw him at I saw Ryan at Equinox and 353 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm going to take a spin class. 354 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to take a spin class with me? 355 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, sure, so I took it. It 356 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: wasn't really my vibe. 357 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: But what is Ryan like in a spin class. 358 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: He he hunkers down and he just like gets it done. 359 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: He's like, he's really good at it. He likes to 360 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: sit in the back. Yeah, So like he sat in 361 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: the back of the spin class and he was We're 362 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: huffing and puffing and kind of like, you know, the 363 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: spin instructors, they're kind of like giving you life advice, 364 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: but they're all like beautiful models. And I remember the. 365 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: Guy I done there and he was like, you know, 366 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: if life gets you. 367 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 4: Down, and we're like, oh god, and over the music 368 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 4: shouts to me, I want you to be on American 369 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 4: Horror Story and you're going to be married to Lady Goga. 370 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: What can you say a little louder. I couldn't believe 371 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: my ears, and just because I had seen four times 372 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: in New York and small before, she'd kind of exploded. Yeah, yeah, 373 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: it was. It was just one of those things where 374 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is lucky. 375 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: That is the craziest job offer story I've ever heard. 376 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: It was awesome. And then so I I hadn't really 377 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: watched the first few seasons because actually, honestly, I'm not 378 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: a huge fan of Gore. Yeah, like horror sometimes Horror 379 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: Story was a little too rough for me to watch, 380 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: but I was like, let's just get into this. And 381 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: my first season I really got into it was the 382 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: Freak Show season. 383 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 384 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 5: I was like, okay, this is I just read the 385 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 5: music and the swampy look. Yeah, I was like, this 386 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 5: is insane. And I was friends with Sarah Paulson from 387 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 5: New York. 388 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: Right. 389 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: So the next season after that was a hotel that 390 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: they you know, be with Gaga, and I remember my 391 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: first day on set. It was so intimidating. It was 392 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: the most because he built a real hotel with the 393 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: real you know, elevator, and you didn't even like you 394 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: were in the elevator, you were in the hotel. And 395 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: I was so nervous about meeting Gaga because I just 396 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: wanted to you know, I was really prepared. I knew 397 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do, but I just wanted to 398 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: impress her. And I didn't want to come off to eager, 399 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: but I didn't come off to aloof but just you know, 400 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: the first day of school where I away like I'm 401 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: going to be that cool guy in the corner that 402 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: that goes out the way. My husband, I was like, Jason, 403 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: what do I do? And he's like, just be yourself. 404 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: She's gonna she's gonna love you. So I remember somebody said, 405 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, Gaga wants to meet you. So I was like, Okay, 406 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: I got myself together and I walked in the soundstage 407 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: and she was kind of behind the scrim so go 408 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: around the corner and she's like fully in costume, lit 409 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: cigarette like full, and she was like, will Drake, I 410 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: was wondering when we were going to meet you to 411 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: kiss it? And I was like, oh, is this pitch 412 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: and character right now? Like, am I gonna? Is this 413 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: what I have to? Oh my god, this is not 414 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: what I planned. So in my mind I was like 415 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: and so I like started to do like a weird 416 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: bow and like kind of kiss her hand and she's like, 417 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm just with you. My name is Stephanie. 418 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: It was like, thank god, thank god. 419 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: It was and continues to be just an incredible see 420 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: at her chick. She's just cool. Yeah, And I think 421 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: my favorite thing about working with her was her openness. 422 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: She told everybody like she was always with Kathy Bates. 423 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: She's I remember her saying, and everybody was starstruck because 424 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: when you're that kind of famous, you know, and she 425 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: goes you, guys, I just I want to do my 426 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: best and I'm on the wrong spot. We just move me. 427 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: I just want to learn. Yeah, she learned. 428 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 3: She was. 429 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: She was so good right off the bat. But even 430 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: the trajectory from her first episode to the end, I 431 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: was like giving you in her life, She's given you nuance. 432 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 4: It was. 433 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: It was nice. 434 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: Damn. 435 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: So in yeah, Ryan sets are you know, they are adventures. 436 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: They are they are three act plays. They are they 437 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: are dramatic and beautiful and frightening, and it's kind of 438 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: like that's just the vibe and you just kind of 439 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: have to roll with it. And yes, four seasons on 440 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: that show and wow, yeah I was wow, wild wild. 441 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah that's crazy. 442 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: But Matt taught you early on don't take a person. 443 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: And that just served me well truly in every every job. 444 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, horror story. I I really had to 445 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: just get into the the make believe of it all 446 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: because I'm a very sensitive person. I'm a cancer. Things 447 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: stick to me. At the end of the day. I'm like, 448 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: oh my god. I was going home my little babies 449 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: at the time, and I was like, ugh, I just 450 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: know it's like a massacre and like it's just it's 451 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: just make believe. 452 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: Leave it there, you tiny, tiny baby. 453 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: I had to go visit some of the sets so 454 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: it could be desensitized to I could watch the show believe. 455 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: Oh look there's the rubber suit. All right, it's all just. 456 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. You're now going back into well, not back into 457 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: where you're in music you're doing. You're touring around a 458 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 3: bit performing. Tell us about your tour, your performances. 459 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, really this last ever since? So the last 460 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: show I was on I was on a sitcom called 461 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: Call Me Kat on Fox. Yes, And when that got canceled, 462 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: it was the same day my husband left his company 463 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: of a long time. It started something new. So it's 464 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: definitely a very scary time for us. And this is 465 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: the time where I want to really do the things 466 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: that I want to do. I'll always act, I'll always 467 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: people will have me, i will always be in great projects. 468 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: But my secret and singing will always be there. I 469 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: love singing first and foremost. But my dream was to 470 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: always be a writer, and I'd always written on my own. 471 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: I'd always just written for you know, for therapy. But 472 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: I started to really get into it and I started 473 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: taking classes and workshops and got into some writing groups. 474 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: I've had some great mentors and that's what I've spent 475 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: the last year and a half doing. And I got 476 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: based on my writing. I got a great lit agent 477 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: and I'm pitching stuff now and I think that's going 478 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: to be my next frontier. Incredible, and it's so exciting 479 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: in a different way because it's very vulnerable because at 480 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: all from your gut and your head. But it's also 481 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: really exciting because it doesn't have anything to do with 482 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: your face or your rod totally how you are on 483 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: the day and right whole different practice, but it like 484 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: scratches a completely different itch of creativity. It's so fun 485 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm really really loving it. And then yeah, 486 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: music wise, I wanted to kind of bump up that 487 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: side as well, and so I with a new a 488 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: new agent for concerts called Opus and they they're mostly 489 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: a classical company and they but they have some they 490 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: have like Patty the Pone and Jessica v Osk and 491 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: some some of my contemporaries. But yeah, and that's I'm 492 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: hitting the ground running. I'm doing some big stuff writing. 493 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: My pieces for concerts are not just like a list 494 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: of songs I've done. I've been doing kind of long 495 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: form cabaret the beginning, middle, and end, and. 496 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: Wow, just much more satisfying, right for yourself and your 497 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 3: soul and artistic self. 498 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's also I love the feeling of having 499 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: it be all on me m hm, be like going 500 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: out there and knowing like for ninety minutes you bitch 501 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: so like, yeah, that is daunting every single time, and 502 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: I love it. Slash loathe it. And you talk about 503 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: in the white room sometimes she visits and you like 504 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: take a little step in the white room and you're like, 505 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: I don't even know my name right now. I started, 506 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: I started. 507 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: That makes you feel so much better? 508 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I started a. 509 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: Wrong song the other day. Something started and I went 510 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: into like a weird old timey version of don't get 511 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: around much anymore. But I hadn't sung in a decade. 512 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: I was like, it's just sad, like I don't even know. 513 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 3: It's okay though, because you know you're by yourself, so 514 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: you're in control. Nobody else is looking at you, and. 515 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that you And Adam Lambert told 516 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: me last year he wore me up pride and I 517 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: saw my outterwards. He's like I started the last song 518 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: and the wrong key. He was like, whoops. It's like, 519 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: oh god, it's good to know you're human, both of you. 520 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, exactly, so human. 521 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: I get scared every time. And I had a mentor 522 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: told me, uh, shy if you if you're not scared, 523 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: I means you need to get the out. 524 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: But it seems like you chase that though. You're you 525 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: just writing classes and teaching yourself how to write, and 526 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: you're going into that, which is frightening, I'm sure, and 527 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: so like the constant search for like what scares me next? Yes, 528 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: maybe because the feeling of getting through that is incredible, right, 529 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: like if you overcome you step out of the white 530 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: room and get through that show, you're like, damn, I 531 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: just did that. 532 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels so powerful. And I keep it really lean. 533 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: It's just it's just me and a small little band, 534 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: sometimes just me and a piano. I don't travel with. 535 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: Wow, and even scarier. 536 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: I just love it. I love me in a suitcase 537 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: and like my brain and my voice. I'm like, here 538 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: we go. That's really it just makes me feel powerful 539 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: and as a kid, not feeling powerful and feeling scared, 540 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, A big queer kid from northern Idaho. I 541 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: was constantly just like, oh, I don't belong now I'm wrong. 542 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: Now I just feel all of my big gay power. 543 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fear. Like feels your power. It's like go 544 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: through the fear, yep to it. Amazing. 545 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: It's so strange the end way the industry is shifting, 546 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: and the way the world has shifted. What we've all 547 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 3: been through in the last ten fifteen years, what we've accomplished, 548 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: what we've seen, and now like hearing you these new 549 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 3: ventures of just doing exactly what you want, how you 550 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 3: want to do it, and like you know, you get 551 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: you have your family, You're like, that's priority, right, So 552 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: then how am I spending my time when I'm away 553 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: from them? How do I choose that time? 554 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: That's right? I think it's so I always just to 555 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: get vulnerable for a second. I it's very difficult for 556 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: me to connect to people. I've always been very introverted 557 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: and very shy. I married somebody who is not. Just say, 558 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: we'll be in the checkout of Gelson's and he's like 559 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: talking to the lady about her like fibroids and how 560 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: much she pays for Jesus chick. But he's taught me. 561 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: I say, I want to connect more, and he's like, 562 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: then you have to go first, go first, and then people. 563 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: And so that's what I do on stage. I allow 564 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: myself to be vulnerable, like here's a vulnerable story I 565 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: haven't said. Last year, for the first time in eighteen 566 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: years as a professional actor, I didn't make enough. I 567 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: wasn't on enough TV shows to get my SAG insurance. 568 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: I did two indies and I did a guest spot yep, 569 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: but it wasn't enough. And so I was like one 570 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: gig short yep, it's never happened. And I have two 571 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: kids and you know I mean. So I was like, okay, 572 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: I need to I need to do something crazy here. 573 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: So I was just calling all my friends in power positions, 574 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: like is there anything you can do? I called Kathy Bates, 575 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: who on Horror Story I had the pleasure being murdered 576 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: by her three times rest and with Matt Locke and stuff. 577 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: I was like, is there do you have anything for me? 578 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: I have sidebar real quick. I love Peloton and I 579 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: take all the Peloton classes. 580 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 2: And class it's got good places. 581 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: Yes, but one of the one of the instructors her 582 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: favorite motto is no ego amigo. Yeah, I love it, 583 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: and that's how I like to be. And so keeping 584 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: that in mind, when I said, Kathy, is there anything 585 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: on Mattlock, She's like, it's all we are all Katy, 586 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, we're full, but I will check. And she 587 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: called me back in fifteen minutes, She's like, Okay, there's 588 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: there's a part on our final season. You only have 589 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: three lines and you don't have a name. You're a detective. 590 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 5: And I was like, yes, no ego amigo, yeah, yes, 591 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 5: I will do that. 592 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: And I had so much fun. 593 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: Yes, and I was. 594 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 5: A detective and I was like, well, I think there's 595 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 5: a look over here and. 596 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: I and I took it just as seriously as when 597 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: I was doing a monologue with Gwyneth Paltrow. Yes, I 598 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: love that, and that bumped me up over and that 599 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: got me insurance for the next year. I think, like, 600 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: you got us. That's how life is. I'm a actor 601 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: and I you know, will be. But you know, in April, 602 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: if you check out Matt Locke, I'm going to walk 603 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: on fort five. 604 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 3: I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to 605 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: see that. 606 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 2: What a good lesson, though, I love that. I love 607 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 2: that there's good people out there that's helped somebody out. 608 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: That's great. 609 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 3: Go we go. We don't want to take up any 610 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 3: more of your busy, busy life. You're so you're so kind, 611 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 3: always showing up for good causes and things, to lend 612 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 3: your voice and lend your instrument and your kind human person. 613 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 3: And we just adore you. I really just think the 614 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 3: world of you, so thank you so so much. And 615 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: it's an injustice. Bickley didn't get to hear you say, yeah. 616 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 2: I'll never get over it. 617 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 3: Please, I'm sorry. We have We have a question that 618 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 3: we ask everybody that I forgot to ask you. What 619 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 3: is the feeling that Glee leaves you with? 620 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: Nostalgia? 621 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Nobody said that one yet. That's a good one. 622 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: Just it is nostalgia because, as you said, Kevin, like 623 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: you didn't when you were on it, you didn't kind 624 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: of even know because it was you were all just 625 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: in it. But now looking back that meant so much 626 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: to the world, all of you and and what you 627 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: all created. Yeah, it's very nostalgic. When I think for 628 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: my kid, my kids are going to see it soon. 629 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking, like how old. Are they there'll be 630 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: nine Ober. 631 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, definitely they're going to be like 632 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 6: this didn't age well, you guys, it was the two 633 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 6: different time capsule, time capsule different times that we look at. 634 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you so so much to 635 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 2: see and whatever you write, that's right. 636 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: Can't wait to see it. 637 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, sweet man, Thank you so much for 638 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: taking the time. So good to see you. 639 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: So welcome by guys. 640 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 3: Bye bye. I really I really love him. I remember 641 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: being such a big fan of his and then he 642 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 3: came on the show and you know, our time like 643 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 3: working with him was kind of brief. He did a 644 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 3: ton of other you know, he had a bunch of 645 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 3: different storylines that didn't really include us, And I remember 646 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 3: he reached out to me and he was promoting his 647 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 3: singing album at the time, and he's like, hey, I 648 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 3: wouldn't like, would you mind like promote him? Like would 649 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: I mind Chyenne Jackson d m me. 650 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like all my info about Hyanne was from 651 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: you because you were so excited and so mind you 652 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: that if you were excited, like okay, I need to 653 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: really potentially. 654 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 3: God, he's so wildly talented and he's so and he 655 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 3: is not what is this saying? 656 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: No ego ego, no. 657 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 3: No. I was going to say, he's not a sore 658 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 3: to the eye. 659 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: He's a beautiful man. Yes, he's. 660 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 3: And just like the nicest person, like a good soul 661 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 3: who was like, where, you're. 662 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 2: So beautiful as a kind as they are talented, And 663 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: it's infuriating. 664 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 3: It really is. They're just so great. 665 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: And they're like that all the time. It's like graf 666 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 2: like you think you're going to like catch them when 667 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 2: they're not. 668 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 3: So certainly something has to be off here, right, we're 669 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 3: not getting the whole story, and then you get the 670 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 3: whole st. 671 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: The whole story. They're good at everything and being a 672 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: good person. 673 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 3: That's Glee and that's all of our wonderful guest stars. 674 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 3: So thank you shann for taking the time. 675 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 2: And also just taught us so many life lessons. 676 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 3: Just now I feel, yeah, I feel like a better 677 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 3: person just because I like, he just came on. 678 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 2: Wow, what a man. Thank you, Sanne. 679 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 3: Thank you san that's what you really missed. 680 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and 681 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: that's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write 682 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 2: us a review and leave us five stars, see you 683 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 2: next time.