1 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Giggle, giggle. We're just over here. 2 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: Just well, I just listened to the podcast and I'm 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: I'm kind of obsessed with him. 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: He's amazing. I mean I literally I sent him my 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: producer and he was like, well, he's passionate. I just 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: love how he's like a doctor. 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: Totally, and I just love that he like is obviously 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: serious but doesn't take himself too seriously. Where he was like, 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: oh my god, you can see fifty you can open 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: my office window and see fifty other plastic surgeons. 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: It's like damn Seattle with Starbucks on every corner. 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but it was just so funny 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: and also like humbly honest, you know. 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I didn't know like all that shit that 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 4: he talked about, Like how you know, if if you're 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 4: any sort of surgeon, you can kind of do whatever 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 4: surgery want. 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: So this is for the listeners. By the way, Hi guys, Hi, Hi. 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 4: Snaggy. 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: He's just like cold again, a Nashville come on spring, like. 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: You know, but you are definitely a vibe right now. 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: He's like it is Snuggy sipping on some coffee talking 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: about plastic surgery. So this Wednesday, I released a podcast 24 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: that had done with doctor Roddy Raban, and he's a 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills plastic surgeon. For me personally, I know this 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: is like so not true, but there's something in my 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: head that goes, if you're a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon, 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: you're probably like a whole nother level above every other 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: plastic surgeon, just because they do so much plastic surgery there. 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: It feels like, you know, like that's the story I 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: make up about them. But he was great. He also 32 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: has a podcast, and I had listened to his podcast 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: before because I feel like he's just a straight shooter. 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: I think it's really tricky sometimes in these like MEDSPA 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: plastic surgery worlds, because you forget their businesses too right, 36 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: and like I don't personally want to get like upsold 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: on something I'm doing on my body or face or whatever. 38 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: I want a straight shooter. And so I really really 39 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: was drawn to him for that reason. But he's so 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: informative and like you're saying, he was giving all these 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: insider kind of tips or like information that they all 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: know but we don't know. And so when you're looking 43 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: for a surgeon you're trying to figure out what procedure 44 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: you want to do, if you even need it. Things 45 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: of that nature, Like I feel like he's gonna shoot 46 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: you straight, and he does that on the podcast as well. 47 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: So what you're talking about is that there's doctors go 48 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: get their board certification or whatever, and like they do 49 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: all their training. It's not board certification. I'm sorry. They 50 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 1: go to med school to be a certain type of doctor, right, 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: so an E and T or something which would be 52 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: like all your sinus cavities and things of that nature. 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: But then later they'll get bored certified to be a 54 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: plastic surgeon. They didn't go to school in the same 55 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: way for that, they didn't specialize in it the same way. 56 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: And so he was saying, like, you've got to be 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: careful with who you go listen to the credentials of 58 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: what he said, because I'm probably just said that wrong, 59 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: but you got to be careful who you go to 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: because everyone now is trying to pretend like they know 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: cosmetic surgery in the same way that other anatomy. 62 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: Were studied cosmetics. 63 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: Yes, like you don't want a heart like a cardiologist 64 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: doing your nose job. 65 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: You like I don't, right, even though legally they can. 66 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: But legally they can, and that's what his point was. 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: And so that he gave a lot of interesting points 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: like that and insights into the industry that I didn't know, 69 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: nor do I know that we would know if we 70 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: didn't hear it from the inside, you know. 71 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean he also and not to. 72 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: Just talk about the whole episode, but we are so 73 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: influenced by what we're saying on social media, and he 74 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 2: pointed out that like followers can be bought, comments can 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: be bought, photos can be manipulated. He's like, you have 76 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: to be really careful and you want to speak to 77 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: people who have actually worked with the surgeon that you're 78 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: going to. Even reviews can be manipulated and faked. So 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: you know, people are doing this because they feel like 80 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: they need it, and the last thing you want is 81 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: to come. 82 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: Out worse because the root cause. 83 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: Of a lot of people wanting it often isn't the 84 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: nose or the belly fat. It's something that's more probably 85 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: better treated in therapy. 86 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 87 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: So, but then there are real things that people just 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: hate about themselves that they want fixed, or maybe it's 89 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: caused by an accident, it's scarring or something like that 90 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: that you want to fix. So I think you just 91 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: have to be wary when you're having any sort of 92 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: elective surgery. 93 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: And I think it's you know, like. 94 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: That's commendable for someone who makes his mond right on 95 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: elective surgeries to be like be careful. 96 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: Well, I think that goes to the point of and 97 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: maybe this is the Beverly Hills piece of it that 98 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: I was mentioning earlier, but like, he's not hurting for business, 99 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: so he's like, let me help you guys out and 100 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: tell you how this business works and what you should 101 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: and shouldn't be looking for. We talked before the podcast 102 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: and he said to me, he's like, whether people like 103 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: it or not, plastic surgery isn't going away. And for me, 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: that was the whole point of this podcast too, is 105 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: that because of how common it is becoming to speak 106 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: about it on social media, which I like. I like 107 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: that some celebrities are open about that because I do 108 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: think for so long, I know, especially as a woman, 109 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: we've been comparing ourselves to people who are having these 110 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: procedures done and going why can't I look like that? 111 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: And it's like, have you ever seen those memes that 112 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: are like you're not ugly or just broke. That's kind 113 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: of how you know it feels once you start figuring out. 114 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: And I think they're talking about some of the things 115 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: that I don't even think they're being fully honest about 116 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: all the things that are being done, because I know 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: from working in the beauty industry, like you find out 118 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: so much more. Everyone's got fake teeth, fake noses, facelifts, 119 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: like all this stuff, trainers, you know, like people who 120 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: are making their food. Like there's a lot that goes 121 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: into looking great, and so I think it's just important 122 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: to talk about. And because it's becoming so commonly talked about, 123 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: I find myself going, oh, well, now I want a facelift. 124 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Now I want this, and I want you to like 125 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm looking at my face going 126 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: should I get this done? Or like, you know, it's 127 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: becoming so normal that I think we're forgetting that these 128 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: are like major surgeries. Yeah, big decisions and financially expensive, 129 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: but also like health wise, is it the right decision 130 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: for you? And so I just want to have this 131 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: conversation so we're not just blindly walking into things or 132 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: like it's just being talked about without any regulation. So 133 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: that's why I found him doctor Rabond to be so 134 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: wonderful because he's just openly like shooting the shit about it, telling. 135 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 3: You the truth right. 136 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: Well also too is you know I think, like I 137 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: know I'm guilty of it. I'm not brave enough to 138 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: have any elective surgeries, like just knives scare me. But 139 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: I look at my face and I think, oh, should 140 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: I need this? But I don't know what I need, 141 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: Like I'm not a plastic surgery. So I would like 142 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: to think that if I had the balls to do it, 143 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: I would walk into his office and say, this is 144 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: what bothers me. 145 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 3: What procedure do I like? What would fix this? 146 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: But I feel like a lot of people, because of 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: social media, and then, you know, thinking that they know 148 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: what everyone's been getting, they walk in and say this 149 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: is what I want, and they don't even want the 150 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: advice of the doctor. 151 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Well he was saying that, did you hear that part 152 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: of me saying a lot of doctors, you know, because 153 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: obviously they're gonna get the check. 154 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 155 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: So it's like you go in and you say, oh, 156 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: I want a ponytail lift, which is a type of facelift. Well, 157 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: maybe that's not the right procedure for you. You know, there's 158 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: different types of facelifts, or there's different maybe you don't 159 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: even need a facelift yet, or you know, like things 160 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: like that. And he said, it's so driven sometimes by 161 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: the patient that it's if it's not this collaborative thing, 162 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of doctors who don't feel the 163 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: ethical responsibility to say no, and so they'll just take 164 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, but that's not what I would want 165 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: in a surgery, Like, no, it's not just like getting 166 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: your makeup done or buying a pair of jeans, Like 167 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: these are permanent things, you know. 168 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like. 169 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: Having pneumonia and going to your doctor and being like 170 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: I can't stand this call remove my lung and the 171 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: doctor being like, okay. 172 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: Right, okay, I have this cough, give me this medicine, 173 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: like instead of asking the doctor what you should do? 174 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: Right right? 175 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I found it very interesting, but he 176 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: so anyway, if you haven't listened to the episode with him, 177 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: that would be a great place to start. The conversation 178 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: is mostly about different parts of plastic surgery business and 179 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: the industry in itself. The way we're looking at it 180 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: in society and also the psychological stuff behind it, like 181 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: he did talk about and he talks about this on 182 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: his podcast. There are times where people come in requesting 183 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: things and he says no, because you can tell, like 184 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: you were saying, you don't need plastic surgery, you might 185 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: need therapy because you're chasing something that isn't even there, 186 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, And so what's the deeper thing behind it? 187 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: What's the deeper insecurity we're not dealing with. Even if 188 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: you've got that nose job, it's not going to fix 189 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: that probably, you know, there's different cases. So he talks 190 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: a lot about that stuff. He did also mention to 191 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: me and I'm going to put this out there now 192 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: and I'll remind you guys again at the end of 193 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: this podcast. But if y'all have a lot of questions, 194 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: he said he would come back and do a question 195 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: and answer podcast with me Love that I think would 196 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: be really interesting. Yeah, So if you guys do have questions, 197 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: send them to my DMS. I'll also post something on 198 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: social media to do, like a question box or whatever. 199 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: But slide into my DMS at Velvet's Edge or you 200 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: can email us at the Edge at velvetsedge dot com 201 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: and I'll do a question and answer with him so 202 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: we can really get to the bottom of what y'all's 203 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: questions are. I'm glad you listen, Chip, and I wanted 204 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about like your take 205 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: on what's happening with us as a society right now, 206 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: because I do think the rise of social media, editing, 207 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: all these things, open conversation about plastic surgery, it's shifting 208 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: the way we're looking at aging. And you know, there's 209 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: also all these people out there that are like focusing 210 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: on longevity and like the Brian Johnson's of the world 211 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: that we've talked about, where it's like they're just they're 212 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: trying to not die ever. And so I'm wondering, like, 213 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: do you feel this sense that we are like becoming 214 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: intolerant of aging and like we're just trying to pretend 215 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: like it could not happen. 216 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: I mean, in a sense, yes, but I also think 217 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: there's some warriors out there that are like trying to 218 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: buck that system too, like the Pam Anderson's of the 219 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: world and Meryl Streep and and I don't know, some 220 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: of them may have had work and just aren't admitting it. 221 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: Alicia Keys did the whole like no makeup thing for 222 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: a while, but you know, I feel like those voices, 223 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: although celebrated when they're like being vocal about it, they're 224 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: like drowned out by all of the other stuff that 225 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: we're seeing in beauty magazines and online, and which I 226 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: think is just consumerism, Like everyone's got a product that 227 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: they're trying to sell to try and keep you younger 228 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: and more beautiful. 229 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: And all of the things. 230 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the long answer is yeah, I 231 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: think as a society we are trying. 232 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 3: To defy aging. 233 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: And I look at someone like Helen Mirren who has 234 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: aged so gorgeously, and I don't think she's touched her face, 235 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: and I wonder why, Like why I loved when my 236 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: grandmother was around, I loved and granted she was my grandmother, 237 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: so I wasn't looking at her as like a beauty queen, 238 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: but like I loved her wrinkles, I loved the thin 239 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: skin and like how I could see her. I would 240 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: press her veins and stuff, and like there was something 241 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: so wise about all of that that I wonder, like 242 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: why why are we so afraid to age? And historically 243 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: it's been very female led, so it's really interesting to 244 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: see it popping up more and more with male celebrities now. 245 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: And it's funny too because I feel like women who 246 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: are getting facelifts, like Lindsay Lohan just had her face 247 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: done and she. 248 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: Looks fucking amazing. 249 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: See, she's amazing. And I think that because women have 250 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: been doing it so much longer, it has been perfected 251 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: in a way, whereas men now, I think, looks so 252 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: strange when they get I. 253 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: Don't know, have you seen Brad Pitt, because he looks 254 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: amazing too. 255 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: Well, Bradley Cooper doesn't. 256 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: He does not see. 257 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: I think there's. 258 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: Something more extreme when we see it with a man, 259 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: I think, and I think it's just that we're not 260 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: used to it. You know, we're used to seeing a 261 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: man age and weather and that being accepting and then 262 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: you know, it's the patriarchy at work. But like all 263 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: things that you know or advertised us, it's coming for 264 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: the men now too. We all have our own insecurities 265 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: and want to look great all the time, and that's 266 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: a shortcut to feeling great. 267 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 3: I would imagine. 268 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a fine line for me because I 269 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: literally go back and forth battling with myself. Obviously work 270 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: in the beauty industry, so like esthetics are important to me. 271 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: I want things to look beautiful. That has always been 272 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: a part of the way my whole mind works, things 273 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: that I'm drawn to and things like that. I also, 274 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, I'm aging, and that's been an interesting process 275 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: with myself of accepting certain things, like they aren't going 276 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: to be how they were in my twenties, and you know, 277 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: might not just bounce back in the same way, or 278 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: you might look a little more tired after staying up 279 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: too late, and your wrinkles are more prominent, and things 280 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: like that, and really having to like battle with myself 281 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: between wanting to fight those things and do things to 282 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: get rid of them, like I were saying, like get 283 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: a face lift or even botox and all that stuff, 284 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: and going these are like lines of living, you know, 285 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: And I like the person that I am at this 286 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: age so much more than the person that I was 287 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: when I was younger. So there's this weird part of 288 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: like why does my brain do that like that I 289 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: would fight a natural process that's actually like internally it's 290 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: so beautiful, and so then it's just this weird kind 291 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: of juxtaposition to be like, oh, but I want to 292 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: erase those lines. And I mean, I don't know if 293 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: you remember this. I did that interview with the guy 294 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: who was like a face analysis, and he he told me, 295 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: never fill these like it's the nasy laugh yeah, the 296 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: laugh lines. That's the easiest way to say. He calls 297 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: them the following lines as like the Chinese a sin 298 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: word for it. But he said, never fill those. And 299 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: that's such a procedure that so many people do. They 300 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: try to get rid of those lines, you know, but 301 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: he said that is truly in our soul. It registers 302 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: to us in another person, that's their wisdom lines. And 303 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: so the more someone has typically the more wise they are, 304 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: the more they've been through in their life, probably the 305 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: more empathy they'll have, you know, things like that. Yet 306 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: we sit here and cosmetically want to get rid of 307 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: them because they're ugly, But then like what they communicate 308 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: on a soul level is something beautiful. So it's just 309 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: a really interesting question to like ponder what is beauty 310 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: to you, you know, and like how do you find 311 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: the balance. I have absolutely no judgment for anyone who 312 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: does plastic surgery. Try not to judge myself forever desiring 313 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: certain things, you know, but I do battle with myself 314 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: about it, like is that necessary? No, it's not necessary. 315 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: So why I don't know. But I want to feel 316 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: good in my skin too, And he made such a 317 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: good point on the Way podcast of like beauty is 318 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: really the balance of both it's inside and it's outside. 319 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: And that's totally what I talk about on this podcast, 320 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: Like that is my life, the balance of external beauty 321 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: and internal beauty, and so this conversation feels very in 322 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: line with that, and just I'm always kind of debating 323 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: with myself or asking the questions and trying to stay 324 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: curious of like what is driving me and what do 325 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: I truly think? And so that's really what this conversation 326 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: was kind of about. 327 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's it's interesting because you know, I 328 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: think about the main thing that I would ever want. 329 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: Done is to have like this. I don't even know 330 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: what this is called. 331 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: It would be a necklift, a necklift, and. 332 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: It's an hereditary thing, like my face is shaped like 333 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: my mother's and it's just it is what it is. 334 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's possible, because I don't 335 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: know what's in here that would need. 336 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: To move over. 337 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I've watched way too many Instagram videos on this. 338 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: It's amazing what they can do these. 339 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it is amazing. 340 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: But because I have certain things about me, I don't 341 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: love being photographed. It's just one of those things, like 342 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: I've never loved being photographed. Some people love being photographed. 343 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 2: And I wonder, like, if I got this fixed, what 344 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: I love being photographed or is it something that's so 345 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: deeply seated inside of me that it literally has nothing 346 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: to do with what the camera is seeing. And I 347 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: remember he told a story about he did all. 348 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: Of his niece's noses. 349 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like he was like, you know, you think 350 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: you're gonna have this like revelation, but like it didn't 351 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: change She just hated her nose. Like it had nothing 352 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: to do with anything internal. 353 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: She just hated her nose. 354 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: So it didn't change her in any way, but she 355 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: was happy with how she looked. And I think that's 356 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: really interesting because I do think that, like at the 357 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: root of it, most people, it's not just about the 358 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 2: physicality of it. It is something that's much deeper. So 359 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: I wonder if there needs to be some sort of 360 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: in the same way that like, if you were going 361 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: to get gender affirming care, you have to see a 362 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: therapist that makes sure that what you're choosing to do 363 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: is really what you want or what you need. And 364 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 2: so I wonder if, like it would make sense to 365 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: have some sort of therapy requirement before you go in 366 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: like change something that is so fundamentally you to make 367 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: sure that, like you're prepared for the outcome. Because he 368 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: did say, like you know, and I know he made 369 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: the numbers up because it wasn't true statistics. He was 370 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: just making a point. He was like, if ninety percent 371 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: of things go good, that means ten percent of them 372 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: are bad. And if you're only having ten thousand surgeries 373 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: a year, that's only a thousand people. But if you 374 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: have a million, now you have one hundred thousand people 375 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: that aren't happy with what they did. 376 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: That's a lot of people, you know. 377 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: So I do think, like the preparation of it all, 378 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: Like I wonder if there just needs to be a 379 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: few more guidelines in place before you do these major things. 380 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: You know, Like it's one thing, if you've been in 381 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: a car accident and you've got a scar on your 382 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: face or something you're like I just want to get 383 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: back to me, or if you've been burned, or those 384 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: sorts of things, but just completely elective, like I want 385 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: cat eyes or I want you know, like I don't know, 386 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: like and no judgment. I just you know, I just 387 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: worry that people will have regrets. And then what do 388 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: you do when you wake up in the morning and 389 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: you're like, who is this person in the mirror? Like 390 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: there's no going back. 391 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean that definitely happens. Yeah, I think I hear 392 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: what you're saying. I think it's a little idealistic, like 393 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: that just will never. 394 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: Happen and will never happen. 395 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: No, to your point, I think it's the same as 396 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: when we were talking about the ozimpic thing, and I 397 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: had that doctor on to talk about ozimpic and she said, literally, 398 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: it can't be just that you take ozimpic. It has 399 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: to be a lifestyle change too, And I think that's 400 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: similar here is most of us probably don't ask us 401 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: the harder questions about the motivation behind why we want 402 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: to do it, and so it does seem just like 403 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: this surface thing, and for a lot of people, truthfully, 404 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: it probably is like I don't know that it's that deep, 405 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: you know. It's just like you said about the niece, 406 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: just hate my nose or something like that. Right, But 407 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: on some of these bigger cases, or maybe when there's 408 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: like multiple surgeries that we see over and over and over, 409 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: of course, there's definitely the call for some people needing 410 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: to work on the psychology or the body dysmorphia behind 411 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: why they want to change so drastically, you know. I think, 412 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: like on a bigger scale, it's just these questions that 413 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: I always ask about when we get so wrapped up 414 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: in something as a society, like okay, let's use the 415 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: BBL for instance. That was the biggest craze and I 416 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: knew this when this was happening. I'm like, what's going 417 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: to happen when being wave skinny comes back in again? 418 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: And that's the trends like it was in the nineties, 419 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, and it is, that's what's happening. And now 420 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: all these he said this on the podcast, all these 421 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: people are having their bbls removed or however you do 422 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: that like fix, I don't even know what you do, reversed, 423 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: whatever it is. And it's like, right, so is it? 424 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: I think it's better to focus on maybe like what's 425 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: right for you, not your body. Things are like I 426 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: know there's been certain things that I've done, like microblading 427 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: my eyebrows or whatever, and I'm like, wish I had 428 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: never done that stuff now, you know, or like botox 429 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: starting as early as I did because I was told 430 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: it was preventative. Like if any young person asked me 431 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: that now, I'd be like, do not do it because 432 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: there's so many risks that they don't tell you about, 433 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: or you know, like if you do it so long term, 434 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: your muscles can atrophy, and that's what started happening in 435 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: my brows. So I just think there's like warnings that 436 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 1: aren't being given to us, and so we're not fully 437 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: understanding the risk or what it is we're doing. And 438 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: because it's so openly talked about and so trendy right now, 439 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: then it becomes like we become desensitized to the actual 440 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: reality of like this is a major surgery and yeah, 441 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: there can be things that go wrong too, So making 442 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: sure you're just how you have all your information and 443 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: that you're doing the balance of the inside and the outside. 444 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's the social media of. 445 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: It all too, like has to I mean, this is 446 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: Captain Obvious speaking over here. But like when we were 447 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: younger and there wasn't social media, there wasn't as much 448 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: pressure unless you were a celebrity or trying to be 449 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: an actor or whatever, to design how you looked to 450 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: look like everybody else. Yeah, I think people put a 451 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: lot of thought into how they looked. They wanted to 452 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: look like themselves, or look like an original person, or 453 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: have their own style or whatever it was. But I 454 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: think it was less about looking like other people. And now, 455 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: because we see so many more faces every day, because 456 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: the access our phones give us and our computers give us, I. 457 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: Think it's sort of driven it up, not. 458 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: Necessarily just because of the advertising and the reach, but 459 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: because we're it's so influenced by everything that we're seeing now, 460 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 2: And so I'm curious to, you know, if social media 461 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: sort of takes a nose dive, because I feel like 462 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: everyone's exhausted by it, Like if we'll see things like 463 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: plastic surgery. Interesting place is closing rather than opening. 464 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean I did bring this 465 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: up with him because what I find happens to me, 466 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: And I don't know if any of the listeners relate 467 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: to this, but like, you know, I follow all these 468 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: beauty professionals or whatever, and I follow a ton of 469 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: plastic surgeons. Honestly, I think it is amazing to watch transformations. 470 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by it. I love when people are super 471 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: happy with their results and you can tell it's like 472 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: brought giving them a whole new life. Like this is 473 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: where I go back and forth because I'm like, look 474 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: at this woman. She is in her fifties, you know, 475 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: newly single, after a divorce, she got a facelift, and 476 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you can see her confidence, just joy, yes, 477 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: and like that is my favorite part of my job 478 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: when I get someone ready, and I told you this, 479 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: like helping them find their own swag, their inner swag, 480 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: Like because when they walk out after I've gotten them 481 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: dressed or done their grooming or something, and they feel good. 482 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: I know it. I can tell by the way they move, 483 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, And I think that that is such a 484 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: beautiful experience for to witness within anybody. But when I'm 485 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: looking at social media so much, with all that stuff, 486 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: it's like my brain has almost been trained to be like, Okay, well, 487 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: noses look this way now, Like they're a little bit upturned. 488 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: They're perfectly symmetrical, they're perfectly straight. And I do think 489 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: to your point, back in the day, beauty used to 490 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: be a little more wide ranging. And it's almost like, 491 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: in my brain, it feels like beauty has gotten programmed 492 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: to look this one way now instead of being this 493 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: all encompassing like no, beauty can be so many different things, 494 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: like I don't know if you've watched Love Story yet, 495 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: the JFK Junior and no, I know, And it's it's like, 496 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: I hate I talked about this on my social media 497 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: their day. I hate when I get so obsessed with 498 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: like things that are trendy because I'm like, oh, it's 499 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: so basic, But here I am because I'm obsessed, and 500 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the Kennedy's. I did run my astrology, 501 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: by the way, and I have past lives with both 502 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: of them, so it makes a little more sense as 503 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: to why I'm so obsessed with them. I know them, y'all. 504 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: You just missed them, Yeah, I just miss them anyway. 505 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: But Carolyn Bassett is the perfect example of someone who 506 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: is very unique looking, but she is beautiful. Carolyn Bassett 507 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: is the perfect example of someone who is very unique looking, 508 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: but she is beautiful, like absolutely gorgeous. She's inspired my 509 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: new red lip wearing or getting back to it, I 510 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: used to do this all the time, but she just 511 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: has this very natural beauty. But it's amazing to me 512 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: that everyone is talking about how beautiful she is because 513 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: like she has a kind of bigger nose and her 514 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: eyes are these like big kind of alien looking eyes 515 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: almost if you really want to analyze it like that, 516 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: but as like all over whatever, Like she's literally so 517 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: striking and awe inspiring, so beautiful. 518 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: So I'm going her uniqueness that really makes. 519 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: Exactly So that's one of the things I want to 520 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: talk about when in these plastic surgery conversations too, is 521 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: like do what you need to do to feel good 522 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: about you, like no judgment at all, but don't I 523 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: don't want us all or I can't speak for anyone, sorry, 524 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: I personally want to remember how beautiful being unique is 525 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: and how having your own characteristics and your own features 526 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: is very striking and very beautiful, and we don't all 527 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: need to look the same to be considered beautiful. That's 528 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: like one of the big things problems I have with it. 529 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean even plastic surgery aside. You know, I'll 530 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 2: get served these like toothless women that look like they 531 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: live in a trailer park and then they do like 532 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: this makeup transformation and they look like a Kardashian. Yeah, 533 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: it blows my mind every time. But it also reminds 534 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 2: me that, like they are painting over everything that makes 535 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: them their face unique. So it's like the plastic surgery 536 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: of it aside. And I know that we're talking about 537 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: plastic surgery today, but the fact that like we've even 538 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: figured out how to paint our faces to not look 539 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: like ourselves. 540 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: Well, he brought that up to me because he was like, 541 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: don't get on some high horse because you haven't done 542 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: botox in a year. And I was like, well, okay, 543 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: first of all, I am putting myself a little bit 544 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: on a high horse because it's hard in this society 545 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: to not do that shit. But to his point was 546 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: one is not worse than the other. He's like, if 547 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: you're wearing makeup, if you do your hair, you're doing 548 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: the same thing essentially, like you're trying to change, You're 549 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: altering the way you look in some way to look better. 550 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: And he's like, it's of the same thing. And he's right, 551 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: that is true. Like he's like, unless you just wake 552 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: up every day and do nothing. 553 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: Nobody does that. He didn't even do that well. 554 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: Right, But that's his point. It's like this is maybe 555 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: the highest level of that getting plastic surgery, but it's 556 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: not any different mentality wise. And I think that's right. 557 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: I do really yeah, yeah. 558 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: I mean the plastic surgery of it all. Like I think, 559 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: if you're doing it to look like the best version 560 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: of yourself, I find comfort in that, you know, Like 561 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: I can understand that, Yeah, if you're doing it like 562 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: that woman Jocelyn Wildenstein who like wanted to look like 563 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: a cat, oh, you know, or like people that like 564 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: want to look like Madonna, you know, and like that 565 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 2: is weird to me. 566 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's a psychological issue. That woman that you're 567 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: talking about, the Jocelyn lady was the beautiful did you 568 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: see before pictures of her, like so insanely gorgeous, and 569 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: then she started having all these plastic surgeries. I think 570 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: she was in from my deep dives, it seems like 571 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: a narcissistic relationship and was trying to like her guy 572 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: loved cats, Yeah, and so she was trying to get 573 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: his attention, and so she literally starts having plastic surgery 574 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: to look like a cat. Then they got divorced. Anyway, 575 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: she did get billions of dollars from home, So I 576 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: don't know, So there's a lot going on there. But anyway, 577 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: I hear you like that. Those are different situations to me. 578 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 579 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think with like, as with anything, you're 580 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: gonna have good and bad, Like you're gonna have people 581 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: who use it in a very conscious way and then 582 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: people who are a little off with it. And so 583 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: that's where what doctor Rabon was saying is like, that's 584 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: where it really matters the doctor and the ethics of 585 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: the doctor and the integrity of the doctor, because are 586 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: they going to tell you the truth or they're just 587 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: going to take your money and keep doing surgeries you 588 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: don't need. 589 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that the ethics of it 590 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: is really what needs to be called into question. 591 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of benefits. 592 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: Right. I was gonna ask if you would ever get 593 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: plastic surgery. 594 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: I mean if I could, if I if I could 595 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: afford like someone like doctor Rabon or that other doctor 596 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: Ben whatever who I follow on Instagram, then maybe I 597 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: would get this thing done on my neck because it's 598 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: really the only thing. And I like I've thought about 599 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: like LiPo, But to me, I'd probably just gain the 600 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: weight back, you know, like I had to. I just 601 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: don't think the LiPo and the idea of like having 602 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: fat sucked out of me, it just like it makes 603 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: me want to die. 604 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: Okay, but that see, but the way you just said 605 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: that to me is a very conscious thing because you're like, 606 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: I'd probably just gain the way back because you understand 607 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: your relationship there and like that's something internal you want 608 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: to work on it. 609 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: Right, Like I can fix the I can do the 610 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 2: weight loss in a different way and then maybe get 611 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: a tummy tuck or something. 612 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: Like that to get rid of excess skin. 613 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: I just don't believe that me going in and getting 614 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: LiPo is the answer and. 615 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: The end all be all fixed. 616 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 617 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: I think that there are people that can do that 618 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: and have done that and been really successful with it. 619 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: I just know myself because I've lost I've done it 620 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: the hard way plenty of time and then like gotten 621 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: really complacent and gain the weight back. 622 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: So I just know me, Like I. 623 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: Think the only way for me to fix my weight 624 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: struggle is to do it right and stay committed the 625 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: next thing that is beyond my control. In fact, it'll 626 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: probably get worse as I age. So that's the one 627 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: thing that I think that I would truly consider. 628 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: But I just I also have a hard time, like 629 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: thinking about the price tag. 630 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: Well's, yeah, it's not to I mean, it's not cheap, 631 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: and it's not something definitely not something I would want 632 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: to pinch pennies on, Like you want you. 633 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: Want to do the right doctor you, I mean, it's 634 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: you want quality, you want to pay for quality and 635 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: education and all of the things. I'm definitely not like 636 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: going to a strip mall to have this. 637 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Done, absolutely not. Or a lot of people are going 638 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: to different countries and all that stuff, and he was 639 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: he definitely pointed out too, if you can find someone local, 640 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: it's always going to be better because for your checkups, 641 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: for monitoring, like if anything goes wrong and you need 642 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: your doctor there, like it's just better to be in 643 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: the same place, which makes a lot of sense to me. 644 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, I don't know what my 645 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: future will look like with this, but I just want 646 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: to have the conversations and also just really have clarity 647 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: on like what's driving it. If I was ever to 648 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: do it, I would want to be like is this 649 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: are you looking? Are you just wanting to feel good? 650 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: Or is it like is this a deeper issue or 651 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: is this just completely you just want to feel like 652 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: yourself again and whatever? And like I said, I may 653 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: do something like that one day. I don't know. 654 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 3: No judgment, no judgment. 655 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no judgment. 656 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: I'm too big a pussy. 657 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: Like if I like scrape my knee and it leads 658 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: I like want to die like. 659 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: I did this morning. Yeah, like I just can't. I 660 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 3: can't like look at it. 661 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: So the I like I get in my head thinking 662 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: about them like cutting me open and peeling skin bag 663 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: and sewing skin and I'm. 664 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: Just like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't. 665 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: I can't. 666 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to know what you guys think. And 667 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: like I said, if you guys want me to have 668 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: doctor Rabond back on and answer y'all's questions, please send 669 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: them in and I will definitely do that. He's very 670 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: willing and I love talking to him, so we both 671 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: love to do that. So email me at the edge 672 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: at velvetsedge dot com or you can slide into my 673 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: DMS I'm at Velvet's Edge chip. 674 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: I'm at Chip door should chip d O R. 675 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: S C H. And you can also slide into the 676 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: DMS of at Velvet's Edge podcast on Instagram. We have 677 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: a podcast specific page there, so check it all out 678 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: and send me your questions and yeah, let me know 679 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: your thoughts on plastic surgery. 680 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: I might need to start doing some lipstick because your 681 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: lips look really. 682 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 3: Alive and I am monotoned. 683 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: It's like the one pop of color on this whole screen. 684 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 3: Rate the whole thing. It's weird. And my house is 685 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 3: kind of colorful too, but all I see is your lip. 686 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: No, it's because I'm in a like basically all white 687 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: area and then right pop in thanks Carolymbusat. Yeah, leg. 688 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 3: Kind that like doesn't wash off too. 689 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: No, it's not a stain. It's a lipstick. I've been 690 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: doing this like blurred version of it, so I'll put 691 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: a little bit on and then just kind of rub 692 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: it in so it's not like this like precise red 693 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: lip because in the day that just feels aggressive, you know, 694 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: So just a little funny thing something. 695 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: Look at mine, My lips look white. 696 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: Some chapsticks I know all right. Well, as you guys 697 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: go into the weekend and you're living on the edge, 698 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: I hope you always remember 699 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: Too, a casual bye.