1 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Fish Unfiltered, Episode seventy nine. 2 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: My name is Aazaca Zoot, joined as always by the 3 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: great Kevin Brawl. We were recording this on September two, 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and we have just finished recording with 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: the manager of the Miami Marlins, Clayton McCullough. We're extremely 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: excited to bring that to you. But first a few 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: minutes of some analysis bait on the recent Marlins play. 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: Kevin. Marlins are coming up a. 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: Frustrating loss in Washington and lost to nothing, but that 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: was not the highlight of the ballgame. We saw our 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: guest for today's podcast, Clayton mccull as animated as we 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: have ever seen him. 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: What did you? What were you thinking when when you 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: sell them? 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: Martins manager really show out and really yell at the 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: homely umpire for ejecting his second basement so early in 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 2: the game. 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: I'm surprised he didn't get ejected, to be honest with you. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: I mean the way that he was going at it 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: and the hot MIC's got him too. I thought he 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: was getting ejected, and I thought he did. I think 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: everyone did too. The research tool, which is what we 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 3: used to kind of follow the game a little bit too. 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: Clayton McCall has been exjected from the game. No one 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: thought he was x so once obviously, our gracious boss 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 3: Eli Sussman put out the hot mic. We ended up 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: finding out it was Xavier Edwards. And yeah, he gives 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: thirty awesome minutes. A lot of stuff we dove into, 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: especially some of the moves he's made recently. So for 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: those who want to hear his thoughts on it a 31 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: little bit more in depth, right, rather than just a 32 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: quick pre game postgame Scott scrum, I mean, now's you're 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 3: time to listen to it. But yeah, good stuff. And 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: it was a rough day overall too. I mean, Cabera 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 3: goes on the al, we'll see what happens with him. 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: But then obviously the good news with Thomas going to 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: Triple A, A couple of guys rehabing that shouldn't coming 38 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: back as soon as next week, so you're gonna have 39 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: a pretty full strength rotation for the most part going 40 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: into going to the end of twenty twenty five, hope, 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: going into twenty twenty six. 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of my favorite parts of that interview 43 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: with Clayton was his thoughts on that. 44 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: Really, I guess that as animateds we've ever seen him. 45 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: The hot mic caught some swear words, so he's got 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: to do some explain to the family and to the kids. 47 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: And I thought he had the hot mic until we 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: told him. 49 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: So. 50 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was honest and throughout the like you said, Kevin, 51 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: everything we asked him about some potential moves, why did 52 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: he do those, why didn't he make those? Who's involved 53 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: in the pregame meetings? He was really honest about pretty 54 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: much everything. So really excited for you guys to. 55 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: Get to that. 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: But first I'll talking about Edward Cabrera lands on the 57 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: IL with a right elbow sprain. It doesn't sound promising 58 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: for Miami's biggest breakout star. Unfortunately does not look like 59 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: he'll be returning this year or anytime soon. What does 60 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: this do for not only this season and maybe potentially 61 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: next season, what does this do for just the asset 62 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: that was Edward Cabrera. 63 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, you talked about it. I mean, first of all, 64 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: what a season for Edward, right, I mean, goes out there, 65 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: starts off a little bit slow, but really got it 66 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: going after that and finished the season with a three 67 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: to five RA over one hundred and twenty eight innings pitch, 68 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: one hundred twenty eight and two thirds innings pitch. First 69 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: time he crosses the one hundred inning marker in his career, 70 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: was very close the last two years actually, but crossed 71 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: this season and just you know, finally took that step 72 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: that everyone was waiting, you know, like finally getting that consistency, 73 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: looking like the Edward Cabrera that was hyped up since 74 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: twenty nineteenth, you know, like since around that time the 75 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: number one prospect Indie organization at one point. So it 76 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: was good to see that. Obviously a tough break. You're 77 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: hoping to that point, you know in twenty twenty six, 78 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: we'll see if he's there. But if he's not. You 79 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: do have a lot of guys, I mean, Augusto, juhnk Meyer, 80 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: Weather's Sandy. We'll see what the what it's looking like 81 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: for Brax. But overall, I mean, you got you have 82 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: to feel good with your your depth and I'm missing 83 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: major smelling Thomas White, which we'll talk about later. Like 84 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: there's a lot of depth and I think that's the 85 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: one great thing. And uh, the one thing that sucks 86 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: is at Caberra won't be up that you know, and uh, 87 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: it does open an opportunity for for another picture to 88 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: go out there and potentially make that opening day rotation, 89 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: and we'll see what they do. They have so many 90 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: guys that are Major League ready already, so you want 91 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: to see what you have in certain guys. Is a 92 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: good time for you know, major to see what he's got. 93 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: I think him more than anyone, right, I mean, that's 94 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: that's the main guy you're looking at. Gusta Lands unfortunately 95 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: on the on the I l as well, So you're 96 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: looking at a really beat up rotation right now. Maybe 97 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: the week it'll look a little bit different. Only healthy 98 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: guys are Eurie, Sandy and Maser in that rotation, So 99 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: we'll see what the rest of it looks like. You're 100 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: gonna get probably a couple of Antebayos or Freddy Tarnik 101 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: starts until junk who who's supposed to pitch the day 102 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 3: were recording, I believe, and then the weather's pitching on Thursday. 103 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: Back in the in the swing of things, and uh yeah, 104 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: I think you were looking going into the off season 105 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: thinking like, hey, like maybe you could trade a start her, 106 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: right like what they did when they traded Pablo. They 107 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: felt like they had enough depth, but that was the 108 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: case that ended up not being the case, and you know, 109 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: didn't go well in terms of depth. They have to 110 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: have certain guys to go career highs. But I think 111 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: you're in a better position than you were, you know 112 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: that twenty twenty three, going into the twenty twenty three season, 113 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: you know, with so many guys. So we'll see what happens. 114 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: But definitely tough with Cabrera. I mean, you were hoping 115 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: he would really build up more value than you already 116 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: had going into the trade deadline. To see what you 117 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: can do during the offseason. 118 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, a frustrating injury. 119 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: Nevertheless, mine, we decided to hold on to this young 120 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: man who really showed he has it in him to 121 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: be this successful at the major league level. And now 122 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: this really has some serious repercussions to the marls. If 123 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: this is a significant injury, we don't know yet. He 124 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: is probably set to make a nice have a nice 125 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 2: salary increase next year, maybe close to five million dollars. 126 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: And let's say who knows that he doesn't pitch for 127 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: a while, that's five million dollars for him sitting on 128 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: his ass and just unavailable to the Marls, so this 129 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: should have some some negative effects. Hopefully we hope for 130 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: the best year with Edward Cabrera, because a rotation or 131 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: a twenty twenty six staff of Sandy Cabrera, Urie Weather's, 132 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: Thomas White, Robbie Snelling is really alluring. So hopefully the 133 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: worst does not come for mister Carberra. And then I 134 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: guess the last thing we can really quickly touch on 135 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: is some potential returns in mister Griffin CO nine. 136 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: We mentioned him with Clayton McCullough. 137 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: What would that do to the lineup full of that 138 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: would sort of bring out more left handed outfielders for Miami. 139 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: I would be curious what they do, right, I mean, 140 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: you have so many outfielders already, three outfielders just sitting 141 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: on the bench and Hill Weimer VMJ, and then obviously 142 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: have the three starters. So I'm curious what that does. 143 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: I feel like I would be pretty happy, looking like 144 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: at an opening date twenty twenty six line like outfield 145 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: of Stours and left Marsion center, Conan and Wright. I 146 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: feel like it'd be pretty great. A lot of power 147 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: there between the three and at quite a bit of speed, 148 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 3: I would say, I mean griff is a guy who 149 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 3: quietly actually steals a good amount of basis, good base runner, 150 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: a great defense for him out in the outfield, part 151 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: of his game that I think many would say is underrated. 152 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: Good arm, all three of them. So yeah, I think 153 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: it would add a guy who got off to a 154 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: great start to this season too. I think people forget 155 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: what he did. I mean, had the home run during 156 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: the Jeff Conine induction day. He had the over the 157 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: wall catch sealing the home run. He was the first 158 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: to do it of the many Marlins outfielders who had 159 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: great catches. So yeah, it's it's certainly a spark plug, 160 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: another power guy who for a lot of power going 161 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: back into your lineup, especially with We'll see what happens 162 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 3: to stars, but right now, I mean you're really limited 163 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: on power in that lineup outside of Augustine really and 164 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: maybe Herberto, Like, there's not many that really provide a 165 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: lot of power. So Conine would definitely be one that 166 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: that helps that out. I'm curious to see how many 167 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: games he does play in Triple A. He hadn't faced 168 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: live hitting in a very long time. I mean he's 169 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: been out since that Phillies that early Philly Series. So 170 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: it's been a while. I'm curious to see if he 171 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: just finishes out the season in the minor leagues or 172 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: he plays maybe one or two weeks similar to what 173 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: Daan Myers did last season to finish out the year. 174 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, with the technology they have with the traject machine, 175 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: I think they do have a way to sort of, 176 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: you know, fake it a little bit and maybe not 177 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: require as many rehab games as the needed previously previous years. 178 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: But last thing, we'll touch on a couple of news 179 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: on the down on the farm. Thomas White promoted to 180 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: Triple A Jacksonville, just one step closer to the major leagues. 181 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: Arguably the best pitching prospect in all of Major League Baseball, 182 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: as well as Kemp Alderman to triple A homering in 183 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: his first game, and he seems a promotion for him seems. 184 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Imminent as well. 185 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: Really, we talk about power in the outfield, right handed 186 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: hitting power guy who could really help this Marl's lineup. 187 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: Just talk about those two guys. Where they rank on 188 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: our fish on first top thirty list. 189 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Olderman got the big boost in the top thirty. 190 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: Not exactly sure where he is on it, but I 191 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: know he is pretty high, and I think we all 192 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: owe Kemp Alderman an apology, except the ELI who is 193 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: producing this for doubting him, for thinking wasn't a top prospect, 194 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: for saying he wasn't very good. He went out there 195 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: and he proved this all wrong. So good for Kemp. 196 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what they'll do with him because 197 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: it's again another outfielder, so who knows. I mean, he 198 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: definitely provides the power. He has a good arm. Don't 199 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: think you want to waste that, So yeah, I'll be curious. 200 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: I think the big thing for Ken this season compared 201 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: to last is is lowering the k right, something that 202 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 3: we saw Conine do last year for example, seeing other 203 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: guys do that. I mean, Kemp Alderman went from striking 204 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: out you know, twenty four seventy seven games, who struck 205 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: out twenty four point four percent of the time, lowered 206 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: that to twenty two, which is pretty great when you 207 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 3: think about it for someone like Kemp. He's also you know, 208 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: and even when he's in a year where he's not 209 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: walking as much, but he is putting the ball in 210 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: play quite a bit more so it's impressive. He has 211 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: a sixteen homers twenty stolen basis, So he's close to 212 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: a twenty twenty season if he gets that in Jacksonville, 213 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: which for those that know that ballpark is pretty hre friendly, 214 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: so he should have a good opportunity to do that. 215 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: So that's one thing you mentioned too. Like he he 216 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: didn't want he wanted to be a better like he 217 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: wanted to have better plate discipline, and he also wanted 218 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: there it is Thomas White number one, Camp sixteen. He 219 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: wanted to have better plate discipline and he wanted to 220 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: be a little bit better on the base stats. And 221 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: those are two things he went into the season saying, 222 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: and he did it. So good for him, man, And yeah, 223 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: you said it, Isaac. He is as close as it 224 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 3: gets and he will definitely be a guy who I'm 225 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: sure will have a camp invite once the season once that, 226 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 3: once the full squad is underway in twenty twenty six. 227 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: And for Thomas, you got to think he's an option 228 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: for the rotation as early as opening day. We'll see 229 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: what happens. I think this guy is as advanced as 230 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: anyone in the system. He has moved as quickly as 231 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: anyone I think we've ever seen. And you know like this. 232 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 3: This is the quickest movement I've seen since maybe Uri. Honestly, 233 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: I mean Uri skipped Triple A altogether, which is completely 234 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: different from Thomas's situation. But I'm excited. You know, Thomas 235 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: is a guy who now in the same rotation as 236 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: Robbie Snelling. You're in with Dax Fulton and you're gonna 237 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: have He comes in a pretty good time with two 238 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 3: guys that are rehabbing in junk and Weathers who will 239 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 3: be there for who knows, advice or whatever it may be. 240 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 3: Like it definitely helps. He's going up there at the 241 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: right time, I think, and that Triple A team getting 242 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: a lot of help for their playoff push. 243 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: Well, without further ado, here is Clayton McCullough. 244 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: We are indeed joined by the manager of the Miami Marlins, 245 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: Clayton mccullaugh. Clayton, thank you soone for taking the time. 246 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Man. 247 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 4: How's it going ed going great? Thank you? I appreciate 248 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 4: you you having me on fish On first. 249 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, hope the first time, hoping not the last. 250 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: And let's just get right into We're recording this on 251 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: September two, twenty twenty five. Marls is coming off a 252 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: frustrating loss at the Washington Nationals, and we can start 253 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: right there a little bit of Labor Day fireworks happening 254 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: in the first inning of yesterday's ballgame. 255 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: Clayton sort of take us what through what. 256 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: Happened with Xavier Edwards getting tossed from the dugout your 257 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: second basement getting ejected from the dog pretty interesting situation. 258 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: Just walk us through that. 259 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 5: X was upset with a second strike call the game 260 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 5: and he thought it was above the zone curveball that 261 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 5: that clipped. 262 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 4: And I think. 263 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 5: After he grounded out, he's running back in had something 264 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 5: to say the home plate umpire, and you know, Britnan 265 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 5: gave his piece, you know, let him say something there, 266 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 5: and then he continued on in the dugout. 267 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: So x was unfortunately ejected. 268 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 5: I didn't you know, you hate to lose one of 269 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 5: your better players and someone who's going to help contributing 270 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 5: to win that early in the game. So that part 271 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 5: was frustrating for all of us and ended up the 272 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 5: entire day kind of became one of, you know, a 273 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 5: frustrating one, especially how the weekend had had finished up 274 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 5: in New York. 275 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: I have to follow up really quickly. That is as 276 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: animated as we have seen you in a Marlin's uniform. 277 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: In the world of twenty twenty five. Technology is so great. 278 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: The hot MIC's called almost every word of that exchange 279 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: between you and homeplayed Empire as curious. Is any explanation 280 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: you have to do with the family or the kids 281 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: afterwards that are watching, Maybe and maybe not use those words, 282 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: because it was. 283 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: It was a really great exchange. It was cool to 284 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: see them. How did you really stick up for a second. 285 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 5: Basement, Yeah, Isaac momb not not great for my kids, 286 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 5: you know, Surnaria, I'll be kind of more like, Dad, 287 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 5: why are you Why are you so angry? 288 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 4: Why are you running out on the field like that? 289 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 4: And so. 290 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 5: The unfortunate part is that will be that will last forever, 291 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 5: and at some point they're gonna I'm gonna watch it 292 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 5: and and and hear those words. So yeah, Dad, I 293 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 5: just tell them Dad got frustrated. I had too much 294 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 5: coffee there with the quick turnaround from the uh from 295 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 5: the road trip to the day game. 296 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: Well, I'll talk about that serious in New York line. 297 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: I mean, your team looked great, taking three out of 298 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: four against the match, but the first time in city 299 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: field since twenty twenty, Sandy had an awesome start. Just 300 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: what went right for you guys in that series? 301 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 4: It was Kevin, It was it had a little bit 302 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: of everything. 303 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 5: I think, how what I was things that really stuck 304 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 5: to me is offensively, really felt like, you know, going 305 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 5: against four good starters that the Mets had, that we 306 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 5: really dine an awesome job offensively of creating innings, stressing them, 307 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 5: ran their pitch counts up. You know, we're able to 308 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 5: get Peterson out after a couple of innings. Sanga was short. 309 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 5: We did a really good job against homes See the 310 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 5: second game of the series. Tom did a good job 311 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 5: and held us down. But for the most part, like 312 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 5: we really did a fantastic job offensively of stressing their 313 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 5: starters and also being able to tack on in some 314 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 5: games late against some of their bullpen editions. 315 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: So. 316 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 4: That part was great. 317 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 5: We made some really good plays defensively on the bases, 318 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 5: I thought was a big part of it as well. 319 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 5: I think when the times that we put the ball 320 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 5: in play and put some pressure on New York, our 321 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 5: ability to be aggressive, whether that was going first to third, 322 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 5: couple contact plays, you know, was great. 323 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: To see and kind of winning. 324 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 5: You know, the back and forth somewhat kind of slug 325 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 5: fest that we had maybe like in game three. You know, 326 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 5: you have to kind of win all those games. And 327 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 5: for us to have as bad as the second day went, 328 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 5: to come out the next day and build a lead 329 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 5: and have them come back and tie the game at eight, 330 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 5: I think it had been very easy for our guys 331 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 5: to you know, tense up a little bit, become frustrated 332 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 5: with that. But you know what, we hung in there 333 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 5: and found a way to push some runs across late 334 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 5: and Calvin Fauchet was amazing in that game. And then 335 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 5: the last days you mentioned, Sandy was what we needed 336 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 5: that day after kind of a crazy three games, to 337 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 5: have have your ace go out there and pitch like 338 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 5: that and you know, really hold them down for seven 339 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 5: innings with what we had used in the bullpen those 340 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 5: previous three games. Just to get to that point where 341 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 5: he could shorten the game and we could hand it 342 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 5: over was a big deal and also set us up 343 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 5: well yesterday to have a lot of options going into 344 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 5: the to the game here. So our offensive approach was great. 345 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 5: We made some nice plays defensively and ran the base 346 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 5: as well. 347 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: Almost a year into this job, Clayton, Just what's it 348 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: been like for you? Obviously, going from a first base 349 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: coach to being the manager of a major league baseball 350 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: team obviously a big, big jump to make. 351 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: Just what's it been like? 352 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: You know, A lot more responsibility, I'm sure, and you're 353 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: you're you know, you have the mantle of this team. 354 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot more exhausting, Kevin I will say, I 355 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 5: mean that the Kevin I sak The days are certainly 356 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 5: much fuller with just some of the responsibilities that I 357 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 5: you know, wasn't has to take on as much. There's 358 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 5: more conversations with you know, our various you know departments 359 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 5: within our group, with you know, the training staff and 360 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 5: SNC and you know our hitting and pitching coaches, and 361 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 5: you know, certainly then the conversations with the players and 362 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 5: you know, trying to keep guys be as communicated as 363 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 5: we can with you know, what the landscape is looking like, 364 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 5: what's in store for us. Carson Vitale does a great 365 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 5: job with that, helping me out with that, and he's 366 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 5: you know really you know, takes a lot of things 367 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 5: and ensures that the players are very well informed about 368 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 5: you know, what we're thinking about that night in the 369 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 5: game and how things might go, and then you have 370 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 5: the family dynamic as well. It's you know, there's it's 371 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 5: a big time commitment and not just for me our 372 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 5: you know, our entire coaches and everyone you know. Day 373 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 5: to day it's a it's a big investment time wise, 374 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 5: you know, to get through a major league day in 375 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 5: a season, and then you also want to have and 376 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 5: leave something there for those loved ones that you miss 377 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 5: out on a lot. So trying to balance both of 378 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 5: that and and also you know, try to be as 379 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 5: consistent as I can, guys with how I approach each 380 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 5: day with our group and not ride the waves, you know, 381 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 5: with some of the results day to day and how 382 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 5: stretches go, and just try to keep us as focused 383 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 5: as I can on the process that we believe are 384 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 5: going to lead to, you know, sustainable consistent success. 385 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the consistency claim. They're after a really 386 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 2: great stretch leading up into Logus. 387 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: You guys sweep the Yankees. 388 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: A few series losses consecutive back to back really hindered 389 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 2: Miami's playoff chances, and I would say after maybe that 390 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: really disastrous five game series in Atlanta, maybe that loss 391 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: in Cleveland bullpen usage seems to have changed a bit 392 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: pretty dramatically, almost overnight. 393 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: Is that fair to say. 394 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 5: I don't think it's really fair to say. I think 395 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 5: you look back and you look at we really we 396 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 5: have we did not. We're not identifying a closer. I 397 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 5: think we've tried to use guys when we feel like, 398 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 5: at times the highest leverage moment of a game, and 399 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 5: being mindful with guys that are overall workload, how much 400 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 5: we're going to, you know, look to get out of 401 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 5: individuals and also, you know, needing to find out about 402 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 5: a number of players on our roster. And the only 403 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 5: way to find out about people that you believe in 404 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 5: the talent is you They need to get opportunity to 405 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 5: go out there and be able to do that. 406 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 4: And the reliever world is such a tough one. 407 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 5: I mean they go out there and they get everybody 408 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 5: out and it's great, Like that's what you're supposed to do. 409 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: You should never go up a hit and never give 410 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 4: up a run. 411 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 5: And you go out there one night and you walk 412 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 5: a guy give up a homer, or you come in 413 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 5: with people on and give up a homer, and you 414 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 5: know what's wrong with with so and so, so they 415 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 5: live a tough existence. I think the overall outlook and 416 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 5: how I view the pen is to I mean, when 417 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 5: every day you're checking the availability of what you have 418 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 5: down there as well as you know, where's maybe the 419 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 5: best spot in a particular lineup to try to go 420 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 5: get three outs from someone. And then also you know 421 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 5: during a game, you know, who do you like to 422 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 5: come in if things get hot during an inning, you know, 423 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 5: and try to extinguish that and and collect high quality 424 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 5: outs at high leverage moments. 425 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: So I guess a quick follow would be how do 426 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: you balance sort of you know, wanting to give guys 427 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: the opportunity in those high leverage spots when also you know, 428 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: trying your hearts and putting the best guys out there 429 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: to win the Major League Baseball. 430 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: Game right in front of you. 431 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we looked at we're trying to win 432 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 5: every game we go out there that night. That I mean, 433 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 5: our goal is when the game starts is to win 434 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 5: the game. And you know, you go into it someday 435 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 5: we make decisions before the game that you know so 436 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 5: and so is not available tonight, We're just we're not 437 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 5: going to use them. Whether that's been recent workload or 438 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 5: that's a particular point in the season and what we're 439 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 5: forecasting for potential innings with an individual, So that goes 440 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 5: into it as well. And so when we go into 441 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 5: the game that night, having a good idea of what 442 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 5: we have available, what our starter can go go do, 443 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 5: how far we think we want to try to take 444 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 5: that initially and those those guys that you want, you know, 445 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 5: you're like coming into innings where there's people on you know, 446 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 5: you're looking for, you know, how much miss can we 447 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 5: get try to limit slugs. So I think we see 448 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 5: see a picture of Ronnie and Riquez right here, and 449 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 5: I think when we started the season, Ronnie was, you know, 450 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 5: someone we love the stuff and we believe there was 451 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 5: a lot of ability there. And Ronnie pitched himself and 452 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 5: he has deservedly so into different moments as the season 453 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 5: has gone along and really been you know, probably one of, 454 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 5: if not the most you know, impactful reliever that that 455 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 5: we've had. 456 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess going in to Rannie you had mentioned it, 457 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: just what did you guys see from him during spring 458 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 3: training that he thought like this guy could could really 459 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: be here long term piece. He's been used quite a 460 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: bit this year at two sixty two winnings, I want 461 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 3: to say, currently, which is the second most amongst your relievers? 462 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: Just that, and do is there some certain thing he's 463 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: limit on Ronnie? It definitely felt like during the road 464 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: trip he wasn't used quite as bit, you know, quite 465 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 3: as you know a lot. I think it was only 466 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: like two outing seventy things pitched something like that between 467 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: that you know, Atlanta Boston road trip. 468 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 4: We love the arm talent. I think you've seen that 469 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: he has. 470 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 5: He's got a big fastball with good characteristics, so he 471 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 5: can We felt like we could help him with some 472 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 5: of his breaking stuff, and I think he has he's 473 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 5: got now he's got the sweeper he can throw for 474 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 5: a strike, He's got the harder, more gyro type breaking ball. 475 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 4: And Alsoie had a good change up. 476 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 5: I mean, Ronnie had a really full mix, and it 477 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 5: felt like it's high quality stuff and the ability to 478 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 5: get out right and left with how his his mix profiled. 479 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 5: And so someone like got get Ronnie to throw more 480 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 5: strikes and get Ronnie to you know, utilize his secondary 481 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 5: pitches in a more appropriate way, and felt that we 482 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 5: could help enhance and deepen his Arsenal and our pitching 483 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 5: crew did a great job and Ronnie too. Ronnie, to 484 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 5: credit to him, was very open minded. Not easy sometimes 485 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 5: you come in to new organization and you know, you 486 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 5: just want to go out there and get out and 487 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 5: make the team and stay on the team. But Ronnie 488 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 5: was incredibly open minded to you know, improving and felt 489 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 5: like and believe that what we were talking about was 490 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 5: going to help. And as the season, you know, went along, 491 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 5: Ronnie just continued to go get out, so the stuff 492 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 5: was premium. He started throwing more strikes and so we've 493 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 5: seen Ronnie develop into a really important, high leverage. 494 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 4: Piece for us. 495 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 5: And as far as the usage goes, I mean, certainly, 496 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 5: I think we you know, we look at all of 497 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 5: our you know, all of our guys, and that's the 498 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: starting pitchers, the relief pitchers. And not to say we 499 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 5: went into the season with cap a certain number of 500 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 5: appearances or innings, but you know, as the season went along, 501 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 5: early in the year, we were using Ronnie in two 502 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 5: and three inning stints and there were it was just 503 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 5: a little different, and then things got shortened and we 504 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 5: got on a good run. You know, Ronnie was pitching 505 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 5: in a lot of games, and so we did want 506 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: to at least be mindful of while Ronnie has felt 507 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 5: great the entire time, having some perspective on the amount 508 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 5: of workload this year in comparison to years past as 509 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 5: well as you know, also looking into twenty six and 510 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 5: you know, expected Ronnie to be an important piece for us. 511 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: Another guy I wanted to ask you about, because he's 512 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: been coming up pretty recently in the news, is Tyler Phillips. 513 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: Not just because he slaps his face every time he 514 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 3: goes on the mountain, but just he's been really good 515 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 3: for you guys. He got off to a little bit 516 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: of a slow start and then now being using a 517 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: lot more high leverage situations, was literally traded for the 518 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: day before opening day I got here, really didn't have 519 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 3: a spring training with you guys at all, but just 520 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: talk about his development, you know, going from starter to 521 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 3: reliever as well, but still you know, with the option 522 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: to go multiple innings and he already has three saves 523 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: under his blot and everything. 524 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, Tyler's been great, as you mentioned. I think that's 525 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 5: an important part. You mentioned the multiple innings that we've 526 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 5: viewed hoping to have a number of pitchers in our 527 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 5: pen that can do that, and the importance of being 528 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 5: able to go multiple innings, either coming in and clean up, 529 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 5: go back out. You know, we're start an inning, go 530 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 5: into another inning, So getting multiple ops is important. Tyler 531 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 5: with the starting background, had that. And one thing he's 532 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 5: done all year long is he throws a ton of strikes. 533 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 5: You know, it's he has efficient outings, you know, the sinker, curveball, 534 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 5: His breaking stuff has improved. And there was a time 535 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 5: during this year we were, you know, talking some about 536 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 5: stretching Tyler back out. You know, had some outings there 537 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 5: leading up to the deadline where we were, you know, 538 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 5: trying to push him more into the three and in 539 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 5: Mark believing that he had the pitches and weapons to 540 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 5: to start again. And you know, as things turned out, 541 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 5: you know, we believe he can do that. And also 542 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 5: so he's you know, done nothing but fill up the 543 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: zone and collect outs. And so it's nice to be 544 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 5: able to Tyler gives me a lot of flexibility to 545 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 5: use him in various spots in the game, and whether 546 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 5: that's for one inning burst or for multiple innings. 547 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of fans would like to 548 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: know sort of the dynamic between the front office and 549 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: the coaching staff. You guys have pregame meetings every single 550 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: day for every single game. I'm curious just sort of 551 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: what the dynamic is, how many front office members are 552 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: in those meetings and sort of what do they add, 553 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: you know, when you guys are discussing the upcoming opponent. 554 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, Isaac, that's a good question. I think that's Peter 555 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 5: has been incredibly supportive. I mean from day one, and 556 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 5: that's not only the onboarding coming in this position. That's 557 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 5: been you know, throughout the season with you know, us 558 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 5: as a group, coaching staff, front office wanting to build 559 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 5: a relationship that we. 560 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: Are you know, we're working in unison. I mean they are. 561 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 4: It's Peter's putting together the roster. 562 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 5: Peter's going out and you know along with his group 563 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 5: and what players will be going to acquire and and 564 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 5: our job is to try to get those players better 565 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 5: and try to you know, get the most out of 566 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 5: what our group is seen in them and try to 567 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 5: put them in places we believe that they can go succeed. 568 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 4: And we do. We discuss. 569 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 5: Pitching that day as a group before the game, trying 570 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 5: to I mean, like you can't map out every single 571 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 5: scenario but you know, you do going into the game, 572 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 5: which is an idea of again who's available on how 573 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 5: we potentially would like to utilize people, what's their recent 574 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 5: usage been, what do we think from a pinch hit standpoint, 575 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 5: potentially some things that might come up, and how we 576 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 5: might be viewing those. And and then after the game 577 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 5: we get back and we discuss a lot of things 578 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 5: that happen in the game. You know, it's more it's 579 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 5: never I can't believe you guys did this, Peter, It's 580 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 5: always all right, let's talk about it, like, hey, what 581 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 5: was what were you thinking there with the infilly in 582 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 5: or what were we thinking about with that pinch hitter 583 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 5: or not doing it this time or you know, going 584 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 5: to this particular pitcher at this time. And so, I mean, look, 585 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 5: we're just trying to as this year's going on, to 586 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 5: continue to build a really strong process at which how 587 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 5: we view getting through game series and the entire season. 588 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 5: And there's generally at home, four to five front office 589 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 5: members that are in there, depending on their schedules and 590 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 5: if they're in Miami or not. 591 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 4: And on the road, it's. 592 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 5: Typically a smaller crew that travels with us, you know, 593 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 5: two to three so, uh, they're very involved. And I 594 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 5: say that positively because I think we're When I've come 595 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 5: where I've come from as well, the. 596 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 4: Front office was very much involved. 597 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 5: And I don't mean, you know, the phone doesn't ring 598 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 5: during the sixth inning, Isaac and I pick it up 599 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 5: and say, okay, Peter, you know, what do you think 600 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 5: should I bring in so and so? 601 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 4: So it's uh, I do. 602 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 5: Actually I do get to make decisions, and so the 603 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 5: ones that do happen in the game, uh, those are mine. 604 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 5: And to think that modern front offices coaching staffs aren't 605 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 5: working together, I think is you know, look, you can 606 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 5: agree or how much you think it is, but I do. 607 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 5: I welcome it because they're looking at it so much 608 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 5: from a different lens, and we're called about you know, 609 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 5: when you're in there in the game, and uh, if 610 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 5: feels a little different in the dugout. But also it's 611 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 5: nice afterwards to get some perspective on more of the 612 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 5: rationale and the thought process behind what went down, so 613 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 5: that you know, the hope is that next time those 614 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 5: same decisions continue to come, and that we're making as 615 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 5: process driven decisions in a moment that's best for our 616 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 5: team as I can a. 617 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 3: Lot of moments this season throughout, you know, a lot 618 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: of highs, a lot of lows, Clayton, But when you 619 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 3: look back, are there any moments that I wish you 620 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: could have back? You know, maybe a decision you made, 621 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: or a moment in a game. Obviously a lot of 622 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: big wins, but also a lot of big moments that 623 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 3: may have resulted in the losh or whatever may have been. 624 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, Kevin, that's a good question. I wouldn't even know 625 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 4: where to start. 626 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 5: I mean, there's there is a lot now, and which 627 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 5: ones you know sting the most? It's easy when things 628 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 5: don't work out, Oh man, what you know? Should I 629 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 5: have done that? 630 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 4: Would I have? Yeah? 631 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 5: I mean I think about those a lot, you know, 632 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 5: and sometimes the decisions you don't make that end up 633 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 5: being really good ones as well. So I know, well, 634 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 5: I know with this Isaac and Kevin and all those 635 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: watching fish on first and I have a lot of 636 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 5: improving to do. And I think that is, you know, 637 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 5: part of this, and that's not ever going to stop. 638 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 5: I think right now, as I sit here one hundred 639 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 5: and thirty some games in. 640 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: I. 641 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 5: Feel like our group, the conversations we have, the decisions 642 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 5: the process we're going to making decisions is much more 643 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 5: buttoned up than it was as the season started. 644 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 4: As we've all gone through this a little bit. And 645 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 4: that doesn't mean that. 646 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 5: The decision I make is certainly ever going to be 647 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 5: very popular, especially doesn't work out. Those are never right decisions. 648 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 5: I know that, you know it's got to always work out. 649 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 5: But if something doesn't, we bring the infield in. I 650 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 5: bring in this particular picture, I pull this starter at 651 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 5: a certain point, and then the guy who comes in 652 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 5: gives up a ground ball hit and you know, the 653 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 5: internet goes on fire. That is also, you know, part 654 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 5: of what I've signed up for. And you know, we'll 655 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 5: just go back and think when I made that decision, 656 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 5: what was driving the decision to be made knowing that 657 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 5: the outcome is gonna be what it is, so. 658 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: Not not the harp on it. But is there one 659 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: move that you can pinpoint that you'd. 660 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: Be like, shit, that one really got away from me? 661 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 4: How about this? 662 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 5: Why don't I obviously you guys have something on the 663 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 5: front of your mind. Isaac and Kevin you both have 664 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 5: at least one. Why don't you bring that up and 665 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 5: we can we can talk through it. 666 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple. Well, there's a few, but I. 667 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 6: Think launch we don't have much time, so maybe I think, 668 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 6: for example, a guy is pitching really well through five, 669 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 6: he's dominating the Dodgers lineup, like Beyoza was, take him 670 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 6: out home run instantly. 671 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: You guys, you you say you know Ronnie, obviously you're 672 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: taking care of him. So I don't want too much 673 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: harp on that. 674 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: Josh Simpson in the tie game of the ninth inning 675 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: and Zuber and the ninth inning really unproving commodities in 676 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 2: those late game situations. 677 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Just how do those decisions come to fruition for you? 678 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 4: All Right, that was a few. 679 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 5: I'll uh, okay, let's go Josh in Boston, right, I 680 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 5: think I think this one kind of you've seen during 681 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 5: the year that sometime is the sixth, seventh, eighth inning, 682 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 5: how we got to the ninth inning and who pitches 683 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 5: the ninth becomes the big thing With Josh in Boston, 684 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 5: it was I believe Josh Simpson. I still believe it's 685 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 5: going to be a good contributor for us. He's got 686 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 5: premium stuff from the left side, and it was a 687 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 5: string of left handed hitters at the top of the 688 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 5: lineup and felt like, right then, Josh getting the chance 689 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 5: to go out there and go against the hitters that 690 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 5: he has the best chance to get out was our 691 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 5: best chance of keeping that game tied to where it 692 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 5: was and then having someone behind him. And unfortunately you 693 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 5: did not go well that night. But that is how 694 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 5: I saw that one with the starters. Yeah, there is 695 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 5: a there is a third time through viewpoint, and you 696 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 5: do believe does it always hold true? 697 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: No? 698 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 4: Is in one game. 699 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 5: If you ran it over the course of one hundred games, 700 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 5: the third time three would probably went out right and 701 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 5: understand that, But we're talking about one game every night. 702 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 5: You know, He's aren't these numbers that we get, you know, 703 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 5: in in a short one day sample, maybe don't always 704 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 5: hold true, right, But don't go go in and looking 705 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 5: at it and it's like, this is what we have 706 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 5: available tonight in this game, and that Beozo for example, 707 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 5: dealing that night against La and giving us, you know, 708 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 5: getting us through a couple of times and going five innings, 709 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 5: felt like that was where the cutoff point. 710 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 4: That's where it was going to be. And if we 711 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 4: had the. 712 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 5: Lead or we were tied, then we were going to 713 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 5: hand it off there, you know to someone else, And 714 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 5: so yeah, getting burned by it, Isaac doesn't mean that 715 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 5: I won't ever do it again. And I think, you know, 716 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 5: each day in time, the you know, I took Mazer 717 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 5: out the other day after eighteen batters and like, Maser 718 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 5: looked great, he was throwing the ball very well, and 719 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 5: Barker come out and Barker gave next you knows tied 720 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 5: and sees, well, what would Mazer have done? Like, I 721 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 5: don't know what Maser would have done. Okay, I know 722 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 5: he did a great job at that point, and I 723 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 5: knew what we had left. And just because Barker gave 724 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 5: up a home run there, I can't look at that 725 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 5: and go well, next time, I sure can't do it 726 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 5: because of that. 727 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 4: That's just how things, you know go. 728 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: That's the something. 729 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: About being a manager, because you know, the same decision 730 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: could have worked out. It could have not worked out, 731 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: and you'll be burned or you'll be you know, given 732 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: a lot of credit for it, but it was still 733 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: the same decision. 734 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: So that's what makes it so. 735 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: The last thing for me claim just really quick is 736 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: the lineup construction versus lefties. For for example, a lot of 737 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 2: your best hitters are left handed hitters. You know in 738 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: Star Wars Hicks Marcy in the future. How do you 739 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: how do you balance sort of keeping your best players 740 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: in the lineup while also giving yourself the most favorable 741 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: matchup based on handedness. 742 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, good question. 743 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 5: I think the lineup looking at the line construction. This 744 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 5: is one of those that's like a real fun topic 745 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 5: I think to talk about. And there's not really as 746 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 5: much maybe juice to squeeze as you think, right, Honestly, 747 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 5: it comes down to wanting probably what you think on 748 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 5: that particular day, are your five best hitters hitting in 749 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 5: the top five spots, right, and you know that the 750 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 5: guy who close you hit to the top, the more 751 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 5: at bats you're going to get, not only that game, 752 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 5: but over the course of the season. So you know, 753 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 5: when Kyle was hitting fourth or Kyle was hitting fifth, 754 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 5: you know, as he went along, it's like, okay, how 755 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 5: many at bats now with how he's how he's performing 756 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 5: or potentially costing Kyle over the course of the season 757 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 5: and us you know, if he gets fifth all season long, 758 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 5: it's probably forty or fifty at bats less than he 759 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 5: gets hitting two. 760 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: Okay, does this really make sense? You know? 761 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 5: There is kind of a dynamic with not so much 762 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 5: where guys fit best, but also with the left right. 763 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 5: You know, at the time, a lot of it was like, 764 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 5: how do I somewhat protect Sanchez and Stours from just 765 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 5: having to get stuck on left handed relievers, you know, 766 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 5: every day? And if they bring him in on Sanchi, 767 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 5: well at least then the two riding's behind him. You 768 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 5: hope at some point those guys have to pay a 769 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 5: tax on bringing in the lefty every time there, you know, 770 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 5: before it gets to Stours. And if I stack him together, 771 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 5: I know what I'm going to get. And I know 772 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 5: I'd prefer to have Jesus Stanchiez take as many at 773 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 5: bats first right as I can't. Okay, and that's fine, 774 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 5: That's why he was hitting there. Okay, time you're gonna 775 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 5: take the starter, how far are you gonna take the 776 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 5: starter before you go to a reliever? And with Marci 777 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 5: and now I believe Marcy has a chance to hit 778 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 5: verse both sides, he's gonna perform better verse right. I 779 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 5: mean to have to think to hit to hit left 780 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 5: on left at the major league level, you've got to. 781 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 4: Be some kind of good. 782 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 5: I mean, you go around look the guys who hit 783 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 5: verse left. Everyone takes a hit every left in a 784 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,479 Speaker 5: hitter except me to be Kyle Tucker. There's very few 785 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 5: that have similar performance versus both sides. It just it 786 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 5: doesn't happen. So mars now hit him like three against 787 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 5: left two verse right, like you know leave. You know, 788 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 5: Marcy's good, He's a back quality is so good. You know, 789 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 5: when Kyle comes back into the picture, I don't know 790 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 5: where I'll hit Kyle and how I'm gonna juggle, you know, 791 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 5: him and Marci and now Hicks. You know, you'd ideally 792 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 5: you'd love to have, you know, be a left right, 793 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 5: left right, left, right, left right, and you just it's 794 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 5: really hard on the other side than when you're gonna 795 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 5: insert some of these pictures because most pictures have you know, 796 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 5: some type of tune split amongst him as well. So 797 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 5: verse the lefties do. The right handed hitters we have 798 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 5: on our roster, I need to give them the opportunity 799 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 5: to go play verse left. I mean that's feel like 800 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 5: that's there. That's their best opportunity to do this right 801 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 5: and to then force someone when you want to bring 802 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 5: in a righty like we have guys that come off 803 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 5: the bench and hit. There's a defensive component to some 804 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 5: of this as well. How much value are they bring 805 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 5: it on that side of the ball based running? So 806 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 5: if I had to pick what days I was going 807 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 5: to give off to a stours, it's going to be 808 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 5: verse left. 809 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 4: If I have to give them a day, you know, 810 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 4: it's going to be verse left. 811 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 5: And I think as we move forward, Kyle has shown 812 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 5: and prove that he should be in the lineup against 813 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 5: left on most days. I think Marcy is going to 814 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 5: get the chancer down the stretch to play most days 815 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 5: verse left, and we see how that comes out, and 816 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 5: that'll give us a better indicator moving forward on you 817 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 5: know what that looks like, clay And we. 818 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: Really appreciate the time. We know that the game day 819 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: are extremely busy. 820 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: Thank you again for your honesty and for your time, 821 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 2: and hopefully we can do this again sometimes soon. 822 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 4: Isaac Kevin, thank you guys for having me on 823 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 2: For Clayton, for Kevin, for myself, thank you for listening, 824 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 2: and as always, go Fish