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Speaker 3: So, Peter, this is your and my first time talking

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Speaker 3: this week? And I asked, was there anything notable in

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't get a new camera. Does it look clearer?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pumped. Jordan Waller is called up, so looking

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Speaker 4: We talked about the wild card and that part of it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing great because Peter and I had a

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Speaker 4: That's actually a great question, And I think the craziest

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Speaker 4: because again Corbin just hits the living crap out of

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Speaker 3: Perdomo at short Heralder Perdomo against left handed pitching, six

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Speaker 3: It's a best of both worlds. It's a great platoon

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Speaker 1: All star Heraldo Perdomo.

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Speaker 3: All star, fever dream all star Herald.

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Speaker 4: Gotti existed honestly over the last double month they've passed.

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Speaker 1: So he literally wrote, if you put up her all

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Speaker 4: He rode April. He just rode April.

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Speaker 3: To an allstile merchant.

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Speaker 4: Real quick.

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Speaker 4: On, yeah, I mean this guy's hitting balls one hundred

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Speaker 4: like Peter said, he's five nine, Like that's that's an

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Speaker 4: it's an average male. It's above acly, above average mail

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Speaker 4: Say?

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Speaker 3: Get that average, get that just generic dude. Yeah, all right, mailbag,

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Speaker 3: what killed the Rangers? Lol? It's a great question. It's

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Speaker 3: as we stand at this very moment. The Texas Rangers

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Speaker 4: It's it's just not gonna play. Like that's worse than

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Speaker 3: I thought, I thought the Hammils delivery comp was awesome.

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Speaker 3: That looked so identical. But yeah, just to like point

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Speaker 1: Lindor is number six. So you're missing you're missing one

431
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Speaker 1: and four. We could do top ten, seven, eight, nine, ten, Judge.

432
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: Judge is number one in Major League Baseball in f

433
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: or since twenty twenty at twenty two point three. Freddy

434
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: is at twenty two. Mookie's at twenty one.

435
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 3: Judge got half that number last year.

436
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing.

437
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 4: That's been hurt.

438
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: He's played one hundred less games than Freddy Freeman since

439
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and he leads all of Major League Baseball

440
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: and war.

441
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 3: That's what defense does. Man and sixty two homes, Yeah,

442
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 3: and sixty two homers, but get like eighteen backs defense

443
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: to compliment, Yeah, you guys.

444
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: Want me to run through the rest of the top ten.

445
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: You want to keep guessing.

446
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, actually have a question before we get to that,

447
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 4: cause it's like we have three seasons now under our

448
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: belt that I mean, that's thirty percent of this question.

449
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 4: So what's already happened is part of it. There's some

450
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 4: guys that are thirty, like I want to go young.

451
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 4: I want to pick young guys. But there's some guys

452
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 4: that are thirty that have been in their prime now

453
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 4: for three years, have three years of work now, you know,

454
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 4: beneath their out and then now they're they're still gonna

455
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 4: be good for another five, six, seven years. So that's

456
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 4: why I like, I've mask you a little bit older, Like,

457
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, what do you guys think?

458
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: Well, just running through the rest of the top ten,

459
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: maybe this gives you an idea. So it's Aaron Judge,

460
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, Jose Ramirez, Trey Turner, Francisco Lindor,

461
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: Juan Soto, Paul Goldschmidt, Manny Machado, then Dansby Swanson. That's

462
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: what that is. I agree with you, arm I lean

463
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: a little bit old, but then at the same time,

464
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: there is a part of my brain that kind of

465
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: wants to lean young. So the three that I thought of,

466
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: you gotta go Otani number one, you just have to.

467
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: I went ron on Acunu Junior. Number two. Number three,

468
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: I went Julio Rodriguez. I think Julio Rodriguez, when you

469
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: compare him to Tatis, I think he's as prolific a hitter,

470
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: and he's gonna steal more bases, and I think he's

471
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Speaker 1: gonn to play better defense in center field than tatist

472
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: will in right field. And Tatis hasn't had that great

473
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: of a year this year. He's been great, obviously, but

474
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: I don't think it really truly compares to what Julio

475
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: Rodriguez has done, especially just getting so hot in the

476
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: second half. But I think Juli Rodriguez is a better

477
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: baseball player than Fernando Tatis Junior. So I think I

478
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: would go those three.

479
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm because yeah, again looking at it, like, I

480
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 4: think Corbyn Carroll is gonna be five to six win

481
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 4: player pretty much every single year.

482
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: I forgot about. I didn't forget that, I one.

483
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: But but that's the thing. I think Carol will be

484
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 4: a five to six win How much better is Corbyn

485
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 4: Carroll gonna get than this? Like, I don't know, I

486
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 4: don't know. I know it's just his rookie season, but

487
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 4: I feel like this might just be one of those

488
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: cases where this is a guy who just kind of

489
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: like got close to it to what he's gonna be

490
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 4: right away, and I think we'll get better. But again,

491
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 4: how much better is he gonna get than twenty four

492
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 4: home runs and you know, a one thirty seven w

493
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 4: RC plus and forty one bag. I just I just

494
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 4: don't know how much better I get.

495
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: But in that so, if you ask the Diamondbacks booth,

496
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: they think he's just like a little kid that he's

497
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: maxed out in a round. So he's probably gonna grow right here,

498
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: the little boy.

499
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, I mean, I have

500
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: to go, Moki what he's doing right now, and he's thirty,

501
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: it's not like he's thirty five. It keeps me off

502
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 4: a Freeman because while I do think Freeman's gonna be

503
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: good for another three four years, maybe in twenty twenty eight,

504
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: twenty twenty nine, he might he might slow down a

505
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: little bit. So for me, it's it's muki akunya. And

506
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 4: then jay Rod's right there, Like I think in a

507
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 4: war accumulation standpoint, jay Rod could end up accumulating more

508
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 4: than Otani. But I'm still gonna go with Otani just

509
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: because again, like even if he's pitching at a if

510
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: he comes back and doesn't look as good and he's

511
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 4: more like a middle rotation arm or whatever it may be,

512
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 4: like he's still gonna stack war, and you know he's

513
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 4: gonna hit. I mean, this guy's been unbelievable this year.

514
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 4: So that's the way i'd act. But Judge Judges in

515
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: the conversation, I'm just worried about Judge seven years from now,

516
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: or six years from now, or even five years from now, Like,

517
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: I'm just worried about that. I think he's gonna give

518
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 4: us three four more really really solid years, and then

519
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: I wonder what it looks like after that.

520
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: If you had to pick a picture, who would it

521
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: be picture? It is possible, so it's impossible question. It

522
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: is an impossible question. The battle of attrition, I'm gonna

523
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: say Strider. I think he's gonna lead the decade and

524
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 3: punch outs by a wide margin.

525
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

526
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 4: Everyone, everyone's piling on him right now because he's you know,

527
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: giving up home runs and he does have the affinity

528
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 4: for the blow up outing like he absolutely does.

529
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: It's four or five starts where it's six earned in

530
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: like two innings.

531
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: But if you don't think he's gonna, you know, improve

532
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: upon that in terms of not missing his spots and

533
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: commanding and minimizing or slowing the meltdown, Like I mean,

534
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: come on, he's still he's still so young and so

535
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: early in his career. Yeah, I think I think you

536
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 4: gotta go with a Strider. But a sneaky answer would

537
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: be George Kirby, just because I think he's gonna be

538
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 4: so damn consistent every single year and he might keep

539
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: getting better, Like this is a dude that walks less

540
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: than one batter per nine, and I think the k's

541
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 4: will continue to tick up slightly. That's the one thing

542
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 4: that's kind of missing as I'd like to see a

543
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: little bit more swing and miss, but I could see

544
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 4: Kirby just being that inning zeter and being somebody that

545
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 4: just continuously turns out low threes, maybe good really good

546
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: years high twos over the next decade.

547
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: That's the thing, like picture of the decade, though I

548
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: don't know if low threes high twos gets done for

549
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: a decade.

550
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 4: Straight, and might it might.

551
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: Another guy who I think is sneaky, Logan Webb. He's

552
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: to pump out years where he's like two eight to

553
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: two nine, and I feel like he's just gonna age

554
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: like a fine wine, just ground balls a couple of pitches.

555
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: Same thing with Framberg. I know par Amber has had

556
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: like tough kind of you know, blow up starts, but

557
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: it's just so simple. It's it's ninety seven min hour

558
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: sinkers and it's a hammer curveball. Like both of those

559
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: guys have not run into injury yet and please don't,

560
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: but it's like they've been super healthy. Just that ground

561
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: ball type pitcher seems to just kind of whatever new

562
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: offensive adjustments guys make, maybe they're going back to the

563
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: high fastball, all that kind of stuff. Just seems like

564
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: those guys are going to age well, so Sneaky Answers,

565
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: Web and Framber.

566
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: One more for me, he's three years late to the party.

567
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: But Yury Perez back half of the twenty twenties Cole

568
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: Reagan's Cole Reagan's but I would say Yury Perez like

569
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: could be that guy that just breaks out. It's like

570
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: we're already talking about his Hall of Fame case by

571
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: the time we hit twenty thirty and he's twenty six

572
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: years old.

573
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: I like that one.

574
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: Who do you think leads and who do you think leads?

575
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: An four among pitchers. Since the start of the twenty

576
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: twenty season, Cole.

577
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: He's constantly on the mount Gossip gosbree fit Merchant fit merchant,

578
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: Gosman's three.

579
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: I bet Nola's up there, isn't he four?

580
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: Yeah? This merchant number two? Yeah, maybe number one Wheeler

581
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: one wow, and then two you should you should don't

582
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: overturn two Burns Yang good job. Sures were at six,

583
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: Sandy at seven, Luis Castillode, Logan Web and nine, which

584
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: is pretty crazy. You Darvish at ten.

585
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Before before we move on, who do you guys

586
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: think are the five worst players? By four?

587
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: Since twenty you just clicked you clicked the war button

588
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: and switched it over.

589
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: Hilarious. Uh Hanter Alberto, No, he's not qualified, Darren, Oh,

590
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: they have to qualify.

591
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the qualification of plate appearances? Austin Nola.

592
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: Austin Nola's qualified for sure.

593
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't see Austin Nola on here might. Yeah, he's

594
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: definitely just not qualified.

595
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 4: How many plate appearances is this are the I'm the

596
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: Last Guy fangrafs.

597
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: It looks like the lowest is about sixteen hundred, so wow.

598
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: The minimum is about four hundred games, So like these

599
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: are these are guys who have been playing basically kind

600
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: of every day. I'll give you a hint. I'll give

601
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: you a hint. Number one is the guy's been put

602
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: on waivers twice now by.

603
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: The age of.

604
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: D J.

605
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: Crown on there.

606
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: No, he's not. Number two is Jerkson profar. Oh Yeah,

607
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: that's not surprising. O the Rocky Charlie Blackman Ooh nasty,

608
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: he just can't put He's at four.

609
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: It's defensive metrics. Defensive metrics murder guys in Colorado. I

610
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: think they kind of get an unfair shake out there.

611
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can murder this guy though.

612
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: Juli Guriel is number four.

613
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: I mean singles hit her with no speed.

614
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: I can't watch this guy anymore.

615
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: On the Marlins, I can't.

616
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: I can't do it.

617
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: Where's aviousayu? He probably doesn't qualify because he doesn't qualify.

618
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Of them might not qualify. But number five is Carlos Santana.

619
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Speaker 1: Six is Andrew McCutcheon, seven Robbie Grossman, eight Tommy fam

620
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: nine is Nick Costillanos.

621
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's back. He's back, baby.

622
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: And number ten is Alec bohone.

623
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean bad like we're talking about guys that

624
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: went through contact oriented third baseman who can't play defense

625
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: like okay, got feet.

626
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: It's been better though this year he has been better.

627
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: Jumping to number three here and our last question from X.

628
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys go through these in the coming months,

629
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: but just wondered whether you guys could identify some big

630
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: trade candidates, maybe a hitter and a pitcher each that

631
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: are likely to move this offseason and wear two cheers

632
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: at Calvin underscore medcalf on X our friend across the pond.

633
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: I met Calvin in London. He's the man. They had

634
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: a good time Leaven. We grabbed a pint after the

635
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: London games. He's one of the one of the good

636
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: dudes out there, big Reds fan as well, so excited

637
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: for him. He's watching some exciting ball. But great question.

638
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: I'll leave it to you guys first.

639
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yo, go ahead, Jack, you got a picture? I

640
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: got a hit her on the top of my head.

641
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, pictures easy for me. Cease. I think Cease is

642
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: on a move.

643
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

644
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: I think Mike Trout is on the move. I really do.

645
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: I think he will be traded and another guy I

646
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: think is going to be traded. And I floated this

647
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of before the trade deadline, more of a galaxy

648
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: brain play, didn't really have any evidence, but then it

649
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: ended up coming to fruition almost for not sure yet.

650
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: I think Pete Alonzo was going to get traded. I

651
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: don't think the Mets are going to end up giving

652
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: him this enormous contract. I could see him in one

653
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: of these deals for prospects too. So if we're talking

654
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: about big ass names, Mike Trumpt and Pete Alans are

655
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: on the top of my list.

656
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, those are way bigger names than I was thinking.

657
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: I was thinking, like Tommy Edmund type. I'm like, I

658
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: could see Tommy Edmund moved, but no, I think Trout.

659
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 4: I think we could either see it go one to

660
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: two ways. Want to think it absolutely could happen. Two.

661
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: I think it could be one of those things where

662
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 4: they squash it immediately and I think there's no one between.

663
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: But he should consider it. I think the Angel should

664
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: consider it. So I could see that. I think Alonso

665
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: and kind of the rumblings that we've already seen and

666
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: iterations of trades that were already discussed we mentioned on

667
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: the show at some point, you don't do that with

668
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: a guy that you're very very keen on extending. Like

669
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: clearly they don't see the value in paying a first

670
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 4: baseman of his type. I guess, I don't know. I

671
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: find it surprising. He's the heart and soul of that

672
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: fan base at least, even if he's not a leader

673
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 4: in the clubous. I don't know if he is or not,

674
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 4: But clearly they haven't made him the captain. They haven't

675
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: done any of those things that you know procedurally. I

676
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: know some Mets fans have pushed for I don't know, Jack,

677
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 4: who do you have?

678
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: I mean, Cease was the name that immediately jumped to mind.

679
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: I've got another picture jumping in mind for some reason,

680
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: like Alonso is the hitter that I think, But the

681
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: other picture is Corbyn Burns. And I feel like we

682
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: forget that he lost his arbitration case this past offseason

683
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: and he was publicly pissed off about that, And if

684
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: we know anything about the Milwaukee Brewers, winning doesn't mean

685
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: much to them retaining stars. Look at Hater last year

686
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: when they were in a divisional hunt, and like they

687
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: had a pissed off clubhouse. Like Devin Williams, who got

688
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: promoted when Hater got traded, was pissed that his superior

689
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: in the bullpen pecking order got pissed. So I think

690
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: that Burns, if the price is right, Corbyn Burns could

691
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: be on the move, especially because you've got one less

692
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: year of control. So the two guys that immediately jumped

693
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: to mind for me are Dylan Ceese and Corbyn Burns.

694
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: One other name I guess I wouldn't totally rule out,

695
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: but you know, I just think it would be crazy

696
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: given what they gave up for him already. It's like

697
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 4: we could see something maybe happen with Soto and see

698
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 4: how they approached that or Hassan Kim, because they're not

699
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 4: going to be able to pay everybody. They're going to

700
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 4: need to convert into some sort of assets. You know,

701
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 4: I know that the farm system's regenerated, but we've seen

702
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: more big leaguer for big leaguer trades. Kim's gonna be

703
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: a free agent after next year, and they've spent so

704
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: much money around the infield. They're not gonna be able

705
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: to move Croninworth's deal. Maybe if you can turn has

706
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: Sung Kim into into more pitching, especially if you Darvish

707
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 4: is gonna miss more time, I could see them potentially

708
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 4: doing that, because if you're gonna succeed in San Diego,

709
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: it's with Machado playing like a Hall of Famer, It's

710
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: with Xander Bogart's playing like a three hundred million dollar player,

711
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: and it's I mean, that's what you need, and it's

712
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 4: Tatists playing like a superstar. It just hasn't come together

713
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 4: for them this year, of course, but I think they

714
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 4: need to shake it up. You're not gonna be able

715
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: to move those big money guys. I know Hawsung Kim

716
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: has been unbelievably good, but this might be an opportunity

717
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 4: for them to sell at a pretty high price to

718
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 4: softseason if they feel like they're not gonna be able

719
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 4: to extend him, because again, I don't know how they'd

720
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 4: find the money for him at this point, especially when

721
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 4: they need to address pitching, and that's something that they

722
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: really need to focus on this offseason. So I could

723
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 4: see has Sung Kim being dangled a little bit, but.

724
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: Armed they can't trade their best player, Kim. Hilarious literally

725
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: is the Sodo might be on the block, but not

726
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: Hussy Young Kim god.

727
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 4: Untradeable, untouchable.

728
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: They call about players that they're like, yeah, we could

729
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: potentially give you Sodo, but.

730
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: Kim Kim's untouchable.

731
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Kim's untouchable. Another name. I still think the Guardians could

732
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: end up trading Shane Bieber, especially Yeah, Gavin Williams of

733
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: Logan Allen of Tanner Biby, you got Cal, you got

734
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: Trasa McKenzie, So you got five there, and then they're

735
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna probably continue to bring guys up. Bieber could end

736
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: up being expendable. I am so fascinated with what a

737
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 1: package for him would look like, because I bet you

738
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: ask contending teams who rely on stuff plus models like

739
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: we were talking about with Lance. Bieber is not one

740
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: of those guys. But he's been extremely durable sometimes, if

741
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: that makes sense, because he has these two hundred inning

742
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: type seasons and then this season he's been injured. So

743
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: it's like, when he's healthy, he's gonna give you a

744
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: full two hundred, where some other guys, when they're fully healthy,

745
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna give you one seven D. But if Bieber

746
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: gets hurt, it's, uh, yeah.

747
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 4: It's weird. But I feel like he's like injury prone,

748
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: but but also not like his stuff is like diminished

749
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: and he's heading out and he gets out there and

750
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 4: he pitches with diminished stuff and gets out, so it's like, yeah,

751
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: we'll see how he comes back. I'm worried if he's

752
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: down another tick, it could be could be really hard

753
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 4: to to be able to get anything for him, And

754
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 4: I think teams might be a little bit nervous right now,

755
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: given that he has the history. He's been out you know,

756
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 4: for the whole second half pretty much, and I wouldn't

757
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 4: give up much for him, honestly, it's just too much

758
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: of a question mark.

759
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: It's Orioles. A couple of Orioles, Austin Hayes, Anthony Santander.

760
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: I just have so so much prospect capital. Maybe do

761
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: they get a picture for any one of those? Just

762
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: a couple more names, just to just to kind of

763
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: put it on your brain, just to put it on

764
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: your brain. I like it.

765
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: Also, I saw a note I think last week or

766
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: two weeks ago at this very point, has Sung Kim

767
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 3: is a four point four win player, Xander Bogart's three

768
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: point three Guess which one is playing shortstop? Like Kim

769
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: would have more war if he was playing short as

770
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: opposed to second base. Like this just kind of stinks. Yeah,

771
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: Kim's the best player on the San Diego padres him

772
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: two hundred and ninety mils, So you got to live

773
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: with it.

774
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: Yep.

775
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,120
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Speaker 3: Instagram questions Instagram questions. Okay, so this is from b

804
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Speaker 3: b Rod Bwitbrd on Instagram on Instagram. With pitchers like

805
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: Otani and de Gram getting their second Tommy John surgeries,

806
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: we don't know that Otani is getting TJ or not

807
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: just yet. Is a move to the bullpen for them

808
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: a possibility? I can see Otani starting again because he's

809
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 3: been mostly healthy, but Degram has had injuries to his elbow,

810
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: four arm, wrist, shoulder, and back over the last three seasons.

811
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: So we must what's more valuable a starter who plays

812
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: fifteen to or ten to fifteen games or an elite

813
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: closer who can pitch in seventy Here's my really short answer. Yeah,

814
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: de Gram starter, Otani probably starter, but he looked really

815
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 3: good in the WBC as a closer, like that could

816
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: be the next phase of his career.

817
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

818
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: I really want to ask Walker about this, like, because

819
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: I think the mentality of a pitcher like a big

820
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: time starter like a mcclenahan or a de Gram or

821
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: even an Otani, like they want to start, so just

822
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: because they're shelved with Tommy John, like, I don't think

823
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: they'd appreciate or even buy in to being a closer

824
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: and that's no disrespect to being a closer. They make

825
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: their money as big time starting pitchers, right, and you

826
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: it's a business.

827
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: They can make.

828
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: Forty million dollars a year as a starting pitcher and

829
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna make eleven to fifteen as a closer. Or

830
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: if you're the boss of Red Sox, you signed Kenley

831
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: Jansen to twenty million per that's a high move. Ii'm

832
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: blue move. You know, sometimes things work, sometimes things don't.

833
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: But if I'm a starting pitcher and I go down

834
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: with Tommy John and my manager or the front office

835
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: comes up to me and they say, hey, we might

836
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: think that a transition to the bullpen might be good

837
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: for you, Fuck that, dude.

838
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: Fuck that.

839
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: No way am I going to the bullpen, especially when

840
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: you're a top flight starting pitcher. So like, yeah, we

841
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: could come up with names that maybe could make sense

842
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: and their stuff would tick up in the bullpen, But

843
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, no shot unless they

844
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: are absolutely forced too. And if they're being forced to,

845
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: their arm probably isn't good enough or healthy enough to

846
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: even manage being a closer. So I think there's no

847
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: shot any of these guys transition to the bullpen unless

848
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: something crazy happens.

849
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 4: I could see. I could see Otani at the end,

850
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: you know, just like a also hits yeah yeah, like

851
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: and that's a super unique one off. So that has

852
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: nothing to do with anything you said, Like Otani's a

853
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: super unique one off where it's like if he still

854
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: wants to throw and he's just not exactly who he

855
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 4: used to be, Like you could still be really good

856
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 4: out of the pen and just maintain your body at

857
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: your later thirties. That makes sense. But to your point,

858
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 4: these guys don't, especially nowadays, like they just you make

859
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: so much more to be a starter. And I'm looking

860
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 4: at like de Gram for example, his contract, He's making

861
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 4: forty million year. You're not paying a guy forty million

862
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: to go to the bullpen. And I understand this question.

863
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: I think it was a good question because.

864
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: A lot of people ask it, butper interesting.

865
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: I think I think from the outside, like I didn't

866
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: even really realize how averse some pitchers are. Most aces

867
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: or frontline guys are to you know, the idea of

868
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 4: relieving because of what they've done their whole life until recently.

869
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: But you look at the contract for deGrom, I mean

870
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: he has incentives built around pitch it so like built

871
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 4: around throwing innings. If he throws one hundred and sixty innings,

872
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: a twenty twenty eight option turns into thirty seven million dollars,

873
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: and then that would be a player option instead of

874
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 4: a twenty million dollar club option. So there's things like that.

875
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: He has incentives for the cy Young, he has incentives

876
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 4: for innings pitched. He is like he can make twenty

877
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 4: to thirty to forty to fifty more million dollars based

878
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: on how how he performs and more importantly, how often

879
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: he's out there. So somebody liked Grom. I don't see

880
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 4: it happening. You know, you can go highlight the John

881
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: Smoltz precedent when you know, after winning the cy Young

882
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: in ninety six he had a couple banged up years

883
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: than in two thousand, makes the move to the bullpen

884
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: and turns into a phenomenal closer. But Smoltz is a

885
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: unique guy. He's a guy that I think may have

886
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: also kind of saw the writing on the wall at

887
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 4: thirty one, And at that point, I don't know, he

888
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: wasn't the same level of dominant as de Grom. He

889
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 4: was really freaking good, But I don't know, maybe it's

890
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 4: a little bit different. It's also twenty something years ago,

891
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: so I don't know if the money was that different

892
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 4: between starters and relievers at that time. I don't know.

893
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: I have no idea. But that's the only instance where

894
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 4: we have a cy young, winning starter that has injuries

895
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: and then makes the move to the bullpen. And again,

896
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: like I just I think guys would retire before they

897
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: do that.

898
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

899
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 3: The other thing is, you know, and I don't think

900
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: guys are going to make their decision on this. They're

901
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: going to make their decision on what they can bring

902
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: in financially on an annual basis and also what they're

903
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: comfortable doing over the course of their career. And there

904
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: are so many guys that have done both.

905
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: In their life.

906
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: Check out their career starter reliever splits. They're typically drastically

907
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: different like a starter. If you've got a guy that

908
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: comes up as a starter, his splits out of the

909
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: bullpen a miserable because this guy can't gear up for

910
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: a ballgame at.

911
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: Five o'clock with a seven h five first pitch.

912
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys have their day scripted. On start days, they

913
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: have it scripted from the moment they get out of bed.

914
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 3: In the morning, and if you have to throw that off,

915
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: things get out of whack. The other thing that I

916
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: just want to look at from like a historical perspective,

917
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: how many relievers are in the Hall of Fame. There's

918
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: eight of them.

919
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: Billy Wagner are even in the Hall of Fame?

920
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: Yet it's bullshit, I know, so Ad Billy nine, Mariano Rivera,

921
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 3: Lee Smith, Trevor Hoffman, Goose Goasage, Bruce Souter, Dennis Ackersley, Rally,

922
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: fingers Hoitt, Wilhelm. In terms of one inning relievers, Moe Hoffman,

923
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: eckers Lee started doing it, and I guess Lee Smith too.

924
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, and nobody.

925
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 4: The last thing I'll say on Smoltz is like he

926
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: went back to starting. Yeah, he relieved for a few years,

927
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: then he went back to starting because his body said that.

928
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, went back then again.

929
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And And that could have been a myriad of things,

930
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 4: like just trying to get to those ten years of

931
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 4: service time. I don't know if he was quite there yet,

932
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: like just trying to stay healthy, or maybe he knew

933
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 4: it was gonna be temporary, get you know, get your

934
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 4: body right and go back. Who knows. There's probably a

935
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 4: lot more things at hand there, But yeah, these guys,

936
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 4: it's a pride thing, it's a money thing. It's what

937
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 4: you're used to cause. Again, Yeah, to the point of Jack,

938
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys that move to the pen

939
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: or have to come out of the pen and the

940
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 4: playoffs or whatever it is. Like, I know Walker talked

941
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: about it in one of the episodes. He's like, I

942
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: was so uncomfortable doing that. I wanted to try to

943
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 4: help the Dodgers win as a rookie and came out

944
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 4: of the pen and it was just really uncomfortable and

945
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: he struggled, Like it's it's a different beast for guys.

946
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: One instance, I could see it happening, but I still

947
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: think it's unlikely. So I'm thinking about pictures with good

948
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: stuff who have flash potential as a starter, but overall

949
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: have not had that greade of a career who are

950
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: dealing with this type of injury, whether it's Tommy John

951
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: or shoulder or anything like that. R Mon Marquez is

952
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: like the one name that comes to my mind where

953
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, he can touch one hundred miles

954
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: an hour on the mound when he's right. As a starter,

955
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: doesn't maintain it all that well, he hasn't had this

956
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: great career as a starter. Could he potentially move back

957
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: towards the bullpen and be a lockdown closer and potentially

958
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: end up making more money because this stuff is so good.

959
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: That's one instance I could see. But at the same time,

960
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. But if it were to happen,

961
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: he'd be the number one guy who I'd say.

962
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: He's also not a star, you know, Like that's the thing.

963
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: It's like, once you're a star, once you're established as

964
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 4: a star, it's like I feel like at that point,

965
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: you die on that hill and you just try to

966
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 4: start until you can anymore.

967
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I do think o Tani is the exception of

968
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: the rule.

969
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: He's just an exception to baseball everything. Like, we can't

970
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: we have no idea. He might just be a pinch runner.

971
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: Did you know he's fast?

972
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: Yes?

973
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: I did? Did you?

974
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm the first person who noticed? Yeah?

975
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 3: You actually first. It's got a stop watch.

976
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: It was me.

977
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: It props to be you can out of the sprint speed.

978
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: All right, got an arm question, then have a Peter question.

979
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: It feels like this is the arm question from our

980
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: garrettson twenty four on Instagram. Does Jackson Holliday have a

981
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: legitimate chance of being called up? Or will we have

982
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: to wait until next season to see him in the

983
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 3: big leagues. Let's say you Yeah, I've.

984
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 4: Seen this question a lot. It's it's amazing what what

985
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: Holiday has been able to do. But I know I'd

986
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 4: be floored. I'd be absolutely floored. It's not an indictment

987
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 4: on Holiday whatsoever. And it's it's impressive that he's at

988
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 4: triple A at this point, but it would just be

989
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: it would be malpractice at that point, like you you're

990
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 4: taking what was what would be such a positive year

991
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: and such such a good development for him and throw

992
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 4: him into the fire. It would be tough. Like the

993
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 4: glove is still coming along, he's getting acclimated to triple

994
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: A so far, first couple of games he's he's been

995
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 4: struggling through the first and I think he'll be fine,

996
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: and I think he's gonna be really good up there.

997
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 4: But again, like this is a guy that's nineteen, still

998
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: getting used to the to the glove out there, still

999
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 4: filling out physically, and he's a kid, like he's not

1000
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 4: a grown man quite yet, Like you look at him comparatively,

1001
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 4: it's it's different. He would be entirely overmatched, I think.

1002
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 4: And even if he like we talked about it before,

1003
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 4: Jack like, oh yeah, maybe he could fight to a

1004
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: eighty five ninety WRC plus, like if everything goes right,

1005
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: if you throw him up there, but he's probably not

1006
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: going to defend that great. He's not gonna hit for

1007
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 4: much power. He'd probably walk and grind out at bats.

1008
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: I don't I don't see it being possible because Joey

1009
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 4: Ortiz is a better option immediately, and that's not saying

1010
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: long term. Of course, Jackson Holladay's a number one prospect

1011
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: in baseball, but Ortiz is hitting over three hundred in

1012
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 4: Triple A with power, better defender at shortstop at this

1013
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 4: present moment, Like, there's no reason for Jackson Holiday to

1014
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 4: go up to the big leagues just playing blank.

1015
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 3: I would argue, because Holiday has really struggled in his

1016
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: first two games, that he might be outside the top

1017
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: thirty prospects at this point, and if he does struggle

1018
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: through the end of this week, we might be looking

1019
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: at Holiday outside the top one hundred prospects in all

1020
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: of baseball.

1021
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: You gotta stop doing that there's people out there that

1022
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 4: don't detect sarcasm.

1023
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: I was being sarcastic. Guys, were you being sarcastic? I

1024
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: was agreeing with you, Jack arm I have a question,

1025
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: do you like his swing? And I know it's a

1026
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: very simple answer. He sticks out of the box a lot. Yeah,

1027
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: so not a great swing at least in my opinion,

1028
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: but well I'm also kind of an idiot, So.

1029
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a good swing because it works, and like,

1030
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 4: his hands are unbelievable, and that's that's what really is impressive,

1031
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 4: the lower half adjustability in terms of like, yeah, he

1032
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 4: bails out a little bit, but he holds the back

1033
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 4: hip and his hands can just get to kind of anything.

1034
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: I think almost on the other side of it, it's like,

1035
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 4: this is not the most optimized swing in terms of

1036
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 4: getting every ounce of his power out and every ounce

1037
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 4: of consistency, and he's still this productive. But to your point,

1038
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 4: I think that would get exposed a bit more in

1039
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: the big leagues because they would run you two seamers in.

1040
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 4: They would really try to tie him up because sometimes

1041
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: he can drag through the zone a little bit. That's

1042
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: why you see the higher ground ball rate I think

1043
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 4: the swing is gonna be money. But yeah, he does

1044
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 4: kind of leave with the front side a little bit,

1045
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 4: and he still hits the way that he does. That

1046
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 4: just shows you how talented he is.

1047
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm just watching Daniel Castanos spin sliders against him and

1048
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: him stepping outside of the box, and I'm like, come on,

1049
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, these are not even nineteen pictures. He is

1050
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: nineteen though, and he's also it's so funny, like looking

1051
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: at him, He's got a major league body and a

1052
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: twelve year old face. You could just dream on this

1053
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: kid all day long. But I agree on him. If

1054
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have a good you know, it's Thursday

1055
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: right now. If he's not hitting three hundred by Sunday,

1056
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: we got to drop him below Dylan Cruise.

1057
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah again sarcasm. Everybody, Is that story true that

1058
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 3: he couldn't get into his hotel room because they thought

1059
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 3: he was like under the age of eighteen? Did you

1060
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: see that he tried to I would buy it.

1061
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: I would checking Twitter.

1062
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: I thought it was just a that was a rumor

1063
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: that might yeah, yeah, I might just be taking the

1064
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: bait right now, But somebody brought that up. It's like, Hey,

1065
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: did you see this and I was like.

1066
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: No, that was from accomplished journalist Dick Lickor for twenty

1067
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: I follow him too.

1068
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: He is nice guy USA today right yea bed dover

1069
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: and huge azz, huge azz. All right, two more, Peter,

1070
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: this is a you question. Did the rookies save Cashman's

1071
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 3: job with the Yankees at Dino Fifth Street gym on Instagram?

1072
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 4: Have you been to? That's my guy, that's my guy.

1073
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 4: I loved you know that South Beach. They got a

1074
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 4: gym out there, great place to train, go check it out.

1075
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 4: But Dino's the man. He sat sat next to me

1076
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 4: on the plane. We just started talking Chicago cubs. He

1077
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 4: he's a boxing trainer and like trained some high profile folks.

1078
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: He's the man. And I think worked with Muhammad Ali

1079
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 4: and was Sammy Sosa's bodyguard. Like, this guy's lived a life.

1080
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 4: So I was pumped when I saw the question came

1081
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 4: in from Dino. So uh, I love the question though,

1082
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: that's all.

1083
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: You, Petey.

1084
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: This is a two parter because talking about Brian Cashman's

1085
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: job and then we're talking about the rookies. For one,

1086
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: no matter what these rookies do, I don't think he's

1087
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: getting fired or getting extended regardless Brian Cashman at this

1088
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: point and Yankee fans, I know it sucks because all

1089
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: of us, me included, want this guy gone. Right. We

1090
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: have not seen what we expect to see from the

1091
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: New York Yankees. It has been over a decade since

1092
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: the World Series and then some we're running on a

1093
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: decade and a half. But what how Stein Brenner is

1094
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: going to look at is all right, Brian, this was

1095
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: a tough year. We've had one hundred win seasons, We've

1096
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: gone to the ALCS. There doesn't seem to be that

1097
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: same level of George Steinbrenner esque where it's truly championship

1098
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: or bust. And whether you agree with that or disagree

1099
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: with that, that's what it seems like because Brian Cashman

1100
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: was extended through twenty twenty six after the Yankees got

1101
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: swept by the Houston Ashros in the Ales. Yes, one

1102
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: bad season is not going to make hol Stein Brenner

1103
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: fire Brian Cashman. Could they maybe let go of Boone?

1104
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 4: Maybe?

1105
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: But I still don't think that Boone is going to

1106
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: get traded. I think if we're just comparing to think,

1107
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: what did.

1108
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 3: I say, braded?

1109
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 4: Traded?

1110
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thoughts right out. I'll tell you, yeah, exactly

1111
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: traded for total the RUSSA will take them back. I

1112
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: don't think that they're going to fire Aaron Boone, but

1113
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: I think Brian Cashman is far less likely to get

1114
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: fired regardless of what the rookies do in these first

1115
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Now on the rookie side, or you

1116
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: got something for it?

1117
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, you know what happened

1118
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: on December fifth of last year four year extension for

1119
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: Brian Cashman, Like are you going to fire him after

1120
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 3: a year one of a four year extension?

1121
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 4: And before you detail the rookies for me, it seems

1122
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 4: like they're looking for any reason to keep Cashman around.

1123
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 4: So for the sake of Dino's question, I do think

1124
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: in some weird way, it kind of helps because they're

1125
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 4: just gonna look for any confirmation bias. Oh well, look

1126
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 4: at the way Dominguez is not only did they identify

1127
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 4: but develop him. Yeah, look at some of these other

1128
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: guys what they've been able to do there, Like there's

1129
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 4: a positive trend coming, Like don't worry, the mistakes are

1130
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 4: already gone. Donaldson's gone, Like give him a chance to

1131
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 4: turn this thing around. And that's what I feel like

1132
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: is gonna happened. But I am excited to hear peter

1133
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: S thoughts on the rookies too.

1134
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: And another thing, Peter, I gotta willingly compliment you on

1135
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: the point that Hal is not George. How many times

1136
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: did George fire and rehire Billy Martin like a billion

1137
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: toxic relationship?

1138
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: No, seriously, like they hired and fired Billy Martin? I

1139
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: think fact, and I think the seventies or eighties, like

1140
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,479
Speaker 1: four or five times. He was famous for going through

1141
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: managers like nobody's business. Like the fact that Joe Tory

1142
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: lasted as long as he did was amazing. And it's

1143
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: because Joe Tory just routinely churned out championship after championship.

1144
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: But if you win a few years without winning one,

1145
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: George would just completely let you go. This is not

1146
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: the same regime. You hear how talk and he likes

1147
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: to say that he's like his father. I don't think

1148
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: he's anything like him from a mannerism standpoint, from an

1149
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: action standpoint, like actions speak louder than words. How you

1150
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: can say you're like your dad, but you're not even close.

1151
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's why Yankee fans are getting so

1152
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: upset because it's like nothing ever truly seems to change

1153
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: with this team, even though they keep coming out and

1154
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: saying we're making all the best movies we can right

1155
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: we signed Carlos Rodin, and to their credit, they did

1156
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: sign Carlos Rodin. It's just the problem is a lot

1157
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: of these deals that they brought in have not worked.

1158
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: I am not speaking up for Cashman. I think the

1159
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: Yankees need a complete reset, just like this entire decade

1160
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: has just been this same consistent heartbreak where it's like

1161
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: they look good, then they falter, and it's the three

1162
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: true outcome. But moving onto the rookies, and I'm glad

1163
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: you you touched on that arm, like that was gonna

1164
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: be my second part. If those rookies shine through immediately,

1165
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: it would look better on Cashman. The thing is, and

1166
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: it's so early, but I took a three week mental

1167
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: health break from watching the Yankees in the August when

1168
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: I just could not watch this team just trot out

1169
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: the same garbage lineup of the same veterans that we

1170
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: keep seeing every day. They just weren't performing. But ever

1171
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: since September one, when Jason Minguez called up. Ever since

1172
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: Pereira got called up, Austin Wells haven't missed a game.

1173
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: Jasonez is taking the other rookies on his back and

1174
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: dragging them into being like famous, I guess is the

1175
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 1: one kind of word to say, but just that they're

1176
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: getting grouped in with Jason Minguz. Vegas has an ops

1177
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: over one thousand. He's been awesome. He's hitting rocket tanks.

1178
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: Now sometimes he looks over match, been striking out a

1179
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: little bit, but overall, I mean watching him has been

1180
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: some of the most exciting Yankees baseball that I've seen

1181
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: in a while. The problem is, ever since Prayer has

1182
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: not been good. Now Wells has been terrible well and

1183
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: Oswald Praz is hitting one to eighty. So it's like

1184
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: the other prospects, but again it's so early, it's been

1185
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: a week like but they look completely overmatched. They don't

1186
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: even look close to what Dimingus has done.

1187
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 4: I'm pumped on Dimingez because there were so many. That

1188
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 4: was the most replies we got overwhelmingly positive with the

1189
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 4: top one hundred, But I would say the most like

1190
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 4: critical replies we got is like, of course, like Dimingez

1191
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 4: in the top twenty five like, how are these guys

1192
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 4: still putting dimingas to hide because he fell in a

1193
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 4: lot of lists. But I truly thought he was that good.

1194
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: And I think he's a big He's gonna be a

1195
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 4: big piece. He's their opening day starter. Next year. I

1196
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 4: think he's gonna strike out a little bit. I think

1197
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 4: there's gonna be some some rough patches, maybe even at

1198
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 4: the end of this month, but great, get it out

1199
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 4: of the way now. I think he's gonna have a

1200
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 4: great year next year because he's already learning and already

1201
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 4: flashing what he can do. But I think we're gonna

1202
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 4: see a lot of top prospect to us because he

1203
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 4: might not graduate from him all of a sudden, you're

1204
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 4: gonna see all all of these lists. Chef de Manga's

1205
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 4: back up there like he never left, and and they're

1206
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 4: gonna put him up there going into next year. If

1207
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: he doesn't graduate.

1208
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: People forgot that he is Martian and he is out

1209
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 3: of this world, out.

1210
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: Of this world, and it is I always just find

1211
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: that funny that he's standing next to Aaron Judge when

1212
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: Demegez is five to ten, like two hundred and something pounds,

1213
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: when Air Judge is six s eighty and it's like,

1214
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: which one's the marshit. Oh yeah, the shorter guy with

1215
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: aeron Judge is like faster, it's harder lot Yeah.

1216
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just a well rounded, really

1217
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 4: solid player like this. Yeah, it's so funny.

1218
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: No, he's He's been extremely fun to watch because you

1219
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: also see the speed in center field, Like he's not

1220
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: a plus defender yet, but he can get to balls

1221
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: out there. Like I think he could play center field,

1222
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: which is a big ask for a guy that young.

1223
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: Became one of the youngest Yankees to ever hit a

1224
00:59:54,680 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: home run, right, Like, that's exciting, Perera. I hope he

1225
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: turns the sound good. Yeah, it'll take time. But like

1226
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: that swing does not look good. He just looks completely

1227
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: overmatched in wells not good. Doesn't look good at all.

1228
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how at all is to explain it,

1229
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: other than like every single time he comes to the

1230
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: play like it looks like he has no shot up there.

1231
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah all right. Last one from at Hodgkin's Tommy on Instagram.

1232
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 3: Which players will be the most exciting to watch in

1233
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 3: the postseason this year? M rapid Fire, I have my

1234
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: number one, Mooki Racunye, Bryce Harper, Bryce Harper.

1235
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: I am locked into every single at that of him

1236
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: in the postseason when the lights are on its Citizens

1237
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: Bank and all those scumbag Phillies fans. I love you

1238
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: Phillies fans, but they're so stumbbags, just screaming. I was

1239
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: just in Philly, Like these fans. Oh yeah, they're They're scumbags,

1240
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: and I love them. They're just gonna be shrieking and yelling.

1241
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: When Bryce Harper is up, I cannot wait because the

1242
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: power is back for him. That's my number one, by far.

1243
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: Honestly my favorite fan base in baseball.

1244
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: Seriously, you either love them or you hate him. I

1245
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: lean towards love. I love them.

1246
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 4: Ah, I'm trying to think. I mean the obvious, the

1247
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 4: obvious answer. I think you look at Ronald Acunya. I

1248
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 4: mean just how electric he is and and how just

1249
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 4: how much he brings to the game. That's a no

1250
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 4: brainer guy for me that I'm just pumped to see.

1251
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: Uh.

1252
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 4: I could watch that guy hit bombs all day. Mookie's fun,

1253
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 4: but I don't know. If it's like this show stopping guy,

1254
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: you must must, must watch. I would love I Assuming

1255
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 4: the Cubs make it, I'm excited to see Cody Bellinger,

1256
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 4: like that guy's come through for the Dodgers and now

1257
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 4: seeing him come through at Wrigley, I would love to, Like,

1258
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 4: I'm amped to see a playoff Cody Bellinger on a

1259
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 4: team that, like, you know what, the Dodgers. Yes, he

1260
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 4: was the MVP. He was a big part of what

1261
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 4: they were doing, but those teams were loaded. The Cubs

1262
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 4: are solid, But the Cubs go where Cody Bellinger takes

1263
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 4: them in the playoffs in terms of, you know, offensively,

1264
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 4: especially if that guy leads them, you know and just

1265
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 4: goes crazy in the playoffs. There's gonna be a special

1266
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 4: legend of Cody Bellinger at Wrigley and in Chicago, and

1267
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 4: I would love to see that.

1268
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: So two Cubs that I actually want to id quick

1269
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 3: because I was going to say Bellinger, but Christopher Moreau

1270
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 3: with the lights on for some reason, like super sneaky

1271
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: feels like you can get a huge bomb. And Justin

1272
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: Steele is going to get a bunch of Cy Young votes.

1273
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: We think he should be the favorite of the National League.

1274
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: Cy Young, but much like Gallin, the national audience really

1275
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 3: doesn't watch him much Like when is Steel on Sunday

1276
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 3: Night Baseball never Steele could be introduced to a national

1277
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 3: audience here and people are going to say, how the

1278
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 3: hell does ninety three ninety four get people looking that stupid?

1279
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: And I think Steele can be really fun. The other one,

1280
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 3: I'm really excited to see what if we if we

1281
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: get it, the best version of Julio Rodriguez looks like

1282
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 3: in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one. There's a bad man in Houston

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Speaker 1: right now. Jordan's getting hot. He just hit a four

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty foot pismissile to center field. They got

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Speaker 1: in on his hands, like if he's finally starting to

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Speaker 1: get the powerstroke back. That is a dangerous human being

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Speaker 1: to be in the box with the Gabba the Lite.

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Speaker 1: Now Jordon is up there for me. I am excited

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Speaker 1: to see how the Twins' pitching staff looks in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: I know it's kind of a weird answer, but they

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Speaker 1: have been dicing lately and they're really extending that lead

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Speaker 1: over the Guardians. Like they could be a sneaky team

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Speaker 1: because when the offense is rolling, like they put up runs,

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Speaker 1: but when you go Joe Ryan's Sonny Gray, Pablo Lopez

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Speaker 1: in a three game set.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 1: It's really good. So I'm gonna be definitely tuning into

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Speaker 1: the Twins once they win this al Central because that's

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Speaker 1: like a sneaky team that we know, we do this

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Speaker 1: all the time, right and it's for you guys, because

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Speaker 1: I'd never believe in him, and now I'm buying it,

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Speaker 1: which is dangerous because now they might either they might

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Speaker 1: fully suck.

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Speaker 4: Now. Last one for me. Last one for me is

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Speaker 4: Royce Lewis. I just because he's finally healthy. He's playing

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Speaker 4: out of his fucking mind. He hits a Grand Slam

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Speaker 4: every week. It feels like that's a guy that always

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Speaker 4: seems to just seize the moment. And he's been a big,

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Speaker 4: big part of the Twins, like second breath here down

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Speaker 4: the stretch. So I would love to see some big

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Speaker 4: stage Royce sos and he deserves it. He's just he's

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Speaker 4: come so far. I hope you can stay healthy and

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Speaker 4: play a part in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Another pitcher, real quick? Who am I thinking of American League?

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Speaker 3: Mile bradish No but close arum wait. I was actually called, oh,

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Speaker 3: Grayson Rodriguez. I want to see Grayson Rodriguez make a

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Speaker 3: playoff start.

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Speaker 1: Very eager. I was gonna say the same thing about Adley.

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Speaker 1: I want to see some buster posey in him in

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Speaker 1: the play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Addle like it's just gonna be steady production

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Speaker 3: this guy frame. Yeah, like, hey, let's watch this guy

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Speaker 3: nab a runner. That'll be great. But like Grayson when

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Speaker 3: he throws thirty pitches in a ballgame at a hundred plus,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, man, something about that guy like kind

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Speaker 3: of going in a much smaller way, like kind of

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Speaker 3: going to Helen back this year with the option, like

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Speaker 3: he sucked, he got options, he came back, he's been nails,

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Speaker 3: and he's been like ninety nine to one hundred on

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Speaker 3: his ninetieth pitch of the game. So seeing Grayson in

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Speaker 3: the postseason when he's sitting one hundred miles an hour

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Speaker 3: is gonna be really cool.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Miller's in that same bucket for me. If he's

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Speaker 1: touching one hundred two with the Dodgers, and if they

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Speaker 1: get him, you know with Arius, see what happens there.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Miller could make a big impact this postseason, or

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Speaker 1: he could look like the rookie and really give the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers troubles. I'll be interested to see that one hundreds

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Speaker 1: one hundred hundreds, one hundred, Peter. That'll do it for

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