1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm up in New York City. Buck is down in Miami, 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: which feels like the only place that isn't getting snow 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: right now. By the way, have you seen some of 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: this crazy weather stuff that's going on, Like they have 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: a blizzard warning in La County. I don't even know 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: what's going on. Tons of snow in Portland. Maybe the 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: crime will diminish a little bit for a while there 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: one of the biggest snowfalls ever. I think they got 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: eleven inches there. And so if you're batting down the 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: hatches all over this country from the west coast as 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: it moves across the East coast, monster winter storm under 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: way and we'll get basically dive into the East. Palestine 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: continued fallout as Mayor Pete took it on the chin 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: as he traveled around in Ohio and had to answer 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: all sorts of tough questions. The economy and the inflation 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: continues to get worse, and we're gonna be joined by 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz here in a little bit about thirty minutes 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: from now, he will hop on the show, but buck 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: right off the top. As I am sitting talking to you, 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: the entire news media has been taken over by the 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch trial. It is airing live. He's being cross 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: examined right now on both Fox News and CNN. For 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: those of you who have not heard Alex Murdoch and 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: don't really know what's going on. Double murder trial in 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: South Carolina that has captivated much of the attention in 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: this country. Another one of these trials and media mysteries 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: that takes over the media ecosystem. And so I wanted 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: to play audio so you could hear him where he 32 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: admits stealing almost four million dollars in twenty nineteen alone. 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Let's play cut thirteen. Would you admit that you're stealing 34 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: increased in particular after the boat Rat. No, sir, I 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: don't agree with that. You don't agree with that. I 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: think I continued to do it. But as I sit 37 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: here today, I don't think I took more money that 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: I should not have taken after the boat Rat than 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: I did before the boat Rat. So you wouldn't agree 40 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: with me that in twenty nineteen alone you stole about 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: three point seven million dollars. No, I think that's correct, 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: all right, And you would Would you agree with me, though, 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: that that figure in twenty nineteen was generally higher than 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: any other year that you've been stealing since twenty eleven, 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: in any year, sure, I'd agree with that. Wild buck. 46 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: You now have gotten sucked in on this thing, because 47 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: yesterday when we were talking about it, you were still 48 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: kind of familiarizing yourself. But you really, I mean, if 49 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: you put on the news, you can't escape this story 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: right now. You know. I had just read about it, so, 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, and like so many things, you know, you 52 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: and I in prep for the show, you're just reading 53 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: and reading and reading, and so I hadn't really engaged 54 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: yet and and gotten I had never heard Murdoch uh 55 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: speak until yesterday when they when they first had him 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: take the stand. I wasn't following the cases closely. I 57 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: just bring all that up because I think this is 58 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know this, You know this better than me, 59 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: having been a been a lawyer. But this is the 60 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: kind of high courtroom drama that everyone is used to 61 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: seeing from Law and Order episodes. You know from uh 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: you know the Pelican Brief, all the John Grisham novels. 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Uh you know, you know, to Kill a Mockingbird, right, 64 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: I mean you think about all these you know, these 65 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: different um big courtroom uh speeches that we've seen, and 66 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: you when you actually do law and I have a 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: sister as a corporate lawyer, it's a lot of paperwork, right, 68 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a lot of motions and emails 69 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: and paper. Think when you go off to law school, 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: you're like a time to kill and a few good 71 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: men is what lawyers do. And then you're twenty five 72 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: or twenty six years old and you sit down at 73 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: a desk and look at documents for fourteen hours a 74 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: day on your computer screen, and you're like, oh my god, 75 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean law school. I loved buck. I always tell 76 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: people will say should I go to law school? There's 77 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: probably people out there right now, young kids, like they're wondering, Hey, 78 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: my son or daughter, they're interested. I loved to law school. 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: You learn all the interesting stuff, you read all the 80 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: interesting cases. And then I remember one of the first 81 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: cases I had is February twenty ninth, excusable neglect on 82 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: a missed file deadline because it was a you know, 83 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: a leap year. That is not the kind of thing 84 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: you sent around in law school studying, dreaming of fighting 85 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: about right. But that's what the actual reality of most 86 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: lawyering is. Everyone believes, you know, I took what were 87 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: the equival with some pre law classes in undergrad and 88 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: everyone thinks they're going to end up arguing some major 89 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: First Amendment case on the you know, right in front 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court or something. By the way, Ted Cruz, 91 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: who has done that, he'll be with us in a 92 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: little bit so we can ask him about a range 93 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: of issues, including East Palatine, including I want to I 94 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: want to also ask Ted Cruze a bit more about Ukraine, 95 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: because there does seem to be this, uh, this reality 96 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: that is increasingly upsetting when you pay attention to it 97 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: that a lot of Republicans are just going along with 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: this and don't feel the need to explain to their 99 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: voters why are we doing this? What are the outer 100 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: limits of what we're all in doing Ukraine. But but 101 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: just to come back to the Murdoch trial, uh it 102 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: is it is high court from drama. You have a 103 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: multi millionaire attorney, yep, right, all on the stand and 104 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: this would be the plot of a best selling John 105 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: Grisham or who's the other um, who's the one from 106 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: like Illinois? Isn't there another Scott treww Yeah, thank you exactly, 107 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Scott trew Um. This could be one of the one 108 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: of those novels. I do. I do think that it's 109 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: interesting to hear him as well when he's talking about 110 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: his opioid addiction. And you know, this ties into what 111 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: we often discussed with the border and the worst drug 112 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: We have the worst drug problem in this country right 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: now in history, Yes, in history, more people dying from drugs, 114 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: more people addicted to drugs, and the death number. I 115 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: think everybody has to remember, for every person who overdoses, 116 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: there are one hundred, perhaps a thousand, I mean I 117 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: don't know the actual number, but who are extremely addicted, Yes, 118 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: and that's destroying families, that's resulting in a lot of 119 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: criminal behavior. When you go into these democrat hellhole cities, 120 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: the areas in the downtowns where you're seeing people, will 121 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, the people will say, oh, well, there there's 122 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: a homelessness problem. Although there's actually a congregation often of 123 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: opioid addicts who are trying to feed their habit who 124 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 1: are committing a whole bunch of crimes, usually property crimes, 125 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: but sometimes violent crimes. And you think of the degradation 126 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: that has across society. Here's a guy who's a multi 127 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: millionaire lawyer, and put aside them the murderers and all 128 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: the other tragedy for a second. That's your front and 129 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: center in the trial. But just this can destroy your life. Oh, 130 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: it will ruin your life as fast as a terminal 131 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: disease if it if it gets bad enough. And this 132 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: is exactly what you're hearing on the stand. I wonder, 133 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, if the jury views this sympathetically or he's 134 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: so damaged that clearly he's the guy who did these murders, 135 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's tough to see 136 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: how they would how they would view it. I listened 137 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: to Clay all morning. I was listening all morning to 138 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: this trial. Buck one of the great things, And you 139 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: just hit on it that we did in law school, 140 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: because you don't get to do it very often Vanderbilt, 141 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure many other law schools do as well. 142 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: I can't speak to it, but I when I was 143 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: in law school, we had a trial advocacy course. You 144 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: had to be a three L I think your last 145 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: year of law school to take it. And they have 146 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: rigged a courtroom in. I built a courtroom setting inside 147 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: of the law school with all of these cameras, and 148 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: they bring in people who want to serve as jurors 149 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: and they tape all of their deliberations. So you put 150 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: on a trial and you have witnesses and you then 151 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: get to watch as they deliberate. Hey, what witnesses were trustworthy? 152 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: What attorneys did we like? What did they do that 153 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: we liked? What did we do that they didn't like? 154 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: Because so much of this, as you can see, it's storytelling, 155 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: and it is it is very theatrical. And one of 156 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: the things you learn is to your point earlier on, 157 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: everybody has watched A Few Good Men, everybody has watched 158 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: A Time to Kill, all of these different iconic films. 159 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: The jurors now expect for the lawyers to put on 160 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: a show. Right, So the trial lawyer aspect is now 161 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: influenced in many ways by the expectations that the jurors 162 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: have from Hollywood, and so it is it is always 163 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: interesting in what way the connection occur and Obviously, when 164 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: you're watching CNN or Fox News right now, they're not 165 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: ever putting the jury on, so you can't see how 166 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: they're responding to people on the witness stand. Do they 167 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: find the tears from Alex Murdoch. Do they find that 168 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: like crocodile tears? Do they find it evidence of his sincerity? 169 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: You never know, And so that is why this, to 170 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: me is so incredibly interesting to try to analyze what 171 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: might happen. And to your point, you very rarely see 172 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: a defendant in a case like this take the witness stand, 173 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: get cross examined, especially a lawyer who has spent a 174 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: lot of time in a courtroom as the trial attorney, 175 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, on the other side of the bench, to 176 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: then be a witness, it's captivating. I mean, my understanding 177 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: is that his lawyers, his defense team, we're telling him 178 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: don't do this as and don't take the stand, but 179 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: he realizes it doesn't look good for him. I mean 180 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: that the preponderance of the evidence right now is clearly 181 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: against him, um and I think that because he is 182 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: a lawyer, he has decided that he might be able 183 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: to break that usual standard of a well advised defendant 184 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: will not take the stand in their own defense that 185 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: that's this is just you know, you hear this from 186 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: again watching Law and Order in all these different programs 187 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: that that give people some sense of it. But also 188 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: the totality of the events around around this case. Um 189 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: when you look at the death of that young girl 190 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: in the boating accident, what that did to obviously her family, 191 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: but also the impact of that on the on the 192 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: Murdoch family, the death of the UMU household employee who 193 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: fell down the stairs with a balloon life insurance policy 194 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: that went to I mean, I've that's that to me, 195 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: that is among the most suspicious of all and that 196 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: would have never come out buck if we hadn't had 197 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: all these other things come out right, Like, I mean, 198 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: it's it's just crazy easy, all the different tendrils to 199 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: this story. And you've got a guy who we know 200 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: he's an opioid addict, uh the Daily Daily Mail reporting 201 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: that he had a pill habit of sixty pills a 202 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: day and that he was going through to the point 203 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: about how destructive an opioid habit can be and how 204 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: much more powerful, you know, I do think there needs 205 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: to be on a policy level, on a political level. 206 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: Stepping back from this, a rethink about the drugs, drug 207 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: laws and all this stuff we talked because for a 208 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: long time, certainly from i'd say the last fifteen years 209 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: or so, there was such a focus on marijuana and legalization. 210 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: It happened to a a whole bunch of cities, happened in 211 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: a number of states, and people start to think, well, 212 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: all drugs, you know, illegal drugs are legal drugs. We 213 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: should just legalize everything. Opioids are different. These things are 214 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: so potent, so addictive, and can kill you so easily 215 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: that to to talk about them in this same sentence 216 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: as you know marijuana or even some of the other 217 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: Schedule one drugs, I think is a mistake. I think 218 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: this is a whole different category. This has to be 219 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: seen as as a scourge across all of society. And 220 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: you have a sixty thousand dollars a week pill habit 221 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: we think about, think about it. I don't even know 222 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: how that's possible. It's wild. And in terms of him 223 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: on the standbuck, the one thing I wonder, and I 224 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: think you were right about. You know, generally speaking, guys 225 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: don't take the stand in their own defense. But the 226 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: one thing I wonder is he spent so much time 227 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: in the courtroom himself. Has he been trying to read 228 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: the jury, and does he think that he's got one 229 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: or two people on this jury that he might be 230 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: able to persuade not to argue that he is guilty, 231 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: because I think the idea and so he's going for 232 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: some form of a hung trial. I think the idea 233 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: that he's going to be able to persuade, based on 234 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: the evidence that I've seen twelve jurors, that he's not 235 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: guilty is highly improbable in my opinion. But he may 236 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: have been sitting in that courtroom looking and observing himself, 237 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: and I wonder in some fashion whether he could be 238 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: trying to give his testimony in a way that appeals 239 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: to those one or two that he feels may be 240 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: sympathetic to his argument. Well, we'll have Ted Cruz with 241 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: us in just a little bit. We can ask him 242 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: about this, and also we'll talk to him about East Palestine, Ukraine, 243 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: Biden administration. What will run the run the gamut with 244 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz coming up just a minute and a little 245 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: bit like having an NBA All Star assessing the you know, 246 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: someone else playing playing out on the basketball court because 247 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: he's a guy who's done big cases at the top level. 248 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: Woke activists, as you know, have seized control of America's schools. Now, 249 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: a group of investment firms that Americans and trust with 250 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: our pensions and retirements are playing woke politics with your 251 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: money without our knowledge or consent. A few large investment 252 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: firms names you know that control truly millions of dollars 253 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: of your money are using those dollars to advance their 254 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: woke ideology through a progressive social scoring program called ESG. 255 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: They claim it promotes corporate responsibility. What they're really doing 256 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: is using americans hard earned money to finance their political agenda, 257 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: forcing businesses to comply or else. Some state leaders are 258 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: fighting back and more are joining, letting those investment firms 259 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: know they can't play politics with our pensions. They can 260 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: either do their jobs, maximize returns for shareholders, or get lost. 261 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: To learn more, go to Consumers Research dot org. They've 262 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: been defending consumers against fraud and abuse for decades and 263 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: still are Consumers Research dot org. That's consumers Research dot org. 264 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: To learn more about their mission to protect consumers from 265 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: woke investment firms, Consumersresearch dot Org Sortermind everybody for a 266 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: second here, just just take a moment for all of 267 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: us to remember who is the President of the United States, 268 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: which political parties in charge for right now? Because it 269 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: seems that the Transportation Secretary Pete Buddha judge. I don't 270 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: know if he had a lapse or he's just doing 271 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: the most obvious political deflection, probably both. But when asked 272 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: about all the situation in East Palestine, where even Democrats 273 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: have said, oh, this is not a good look. It's 274 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: not a good look when you have thousands and thousands 275 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: of animals, fish, wildlife turning up dead poison from some 276 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: massive noxious chemical burn slash explosion in a small town 277 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: in Ohio because of a trained derailment. You know you 278 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: should have the time to send at least some of 279 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: your top people, if not Joe Biden himself there. So 280 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: there's been this big delay. But Mayor Pete wants you 281 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: to know, of course, Clay, it's not Biden's fault. You 282 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: know what Trump should really do. He should go and 283 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: say that there's a deregulation problem. That's his fault that 284 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: led to this play. For you mentioned a national political 285 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: figure who's decided to get involved. It sounds like you're 286 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: talking about Trump, and then he said, I need your help. 287 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: How could you help? Well, one thing he could do 288 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: is express support for reversing the deregulation that happened on 289 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: his watch. I heard him say he had nothing to 290 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: do with it, even though it was in his administration. 291 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: So if he had nothing to do with it and 292 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: they did it in his administration against his will, maybe 293 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: he could come out and say that he supports us 294 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: moving in a different direction. That'd be a nice thing 295 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: for him to do. Yeah, very smug. What deregulation? What 296 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: deregulation led to the not just this trained rolmentl the 297 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: snarling of supply train that's happened, or Buddha judges, what 298 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: is the price of eggs? Trump's fault too? I just wonder, well, 299 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: I also wonder didn't Joe Biden basically reverse every single 300 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: thing that Donald Trump did with a pin the moment 301 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: he arrived essentially in the Y House two years ago. 302 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: If this was such a massive issue that the Biden 303 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: administration believed was likely to result in calamity, they've been 304 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: in office two years, why didn't they fix it? There's 305 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: a general rule out there for everyone. The minute the 306 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: story turns to its Trump's fault is a sign that 307 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: the Biden administration is panicking, because that's their playbook when 308 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: they don't know what to say. Otherwise, it's oh, it's 309 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: Trump's fault, because they know that their base, at least, 310 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: no matter what the story is, will buy into the 311 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: idea that it may well be Trump's fault. It's one 312 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: way to go. Just blame Trump every into year three, 313 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: year three of the Biden administration. I just don't know 314 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: why Trump had to mess things up for Biden so 315 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: much for all of his presidency. 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That is, 335 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: Getrefunds dot Com. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton 336 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: Show scheduled to be joined by Senator Ted Cruz here 337 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: in a short term at least. But obviously things can 338 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: go a bit awry with senator schedules, as you can 339 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: well imagine. But Buck, this ties in with what you 340 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: were just talking about. They trying to blame Trump now 341 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: for East Palestine, Ohio, and Ted Cruz is with us now. 342 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: Senator Cruz, appreciate you joining us. And you asked a 343 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: question I think it's actually a really good one, and 344 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: it was, what the hell does the mayor Pete have 345 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: to do to get fired as Transportation Secretary. Most people 346 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: couldn't even name a transportation secretary before this, as we've 347 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: talked about on the radio program, and he's failed on 348 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: every front. It really has been spectacular. You think about 349 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: two years as Transportation secretary and the disasters that have unfolded. 350 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: It started with in the very first year, a supply 351 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: chain crisis where you went to the grocery store and 352 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: you couldn't find baby formula, you couldn't find basic supplies, 353 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: You couldn't find things that you always were there until 354 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: the supply chain collapsed. And what was Pete Buddhajedge doing. 355 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: He was on paternity leave at the time. He couldn't 356 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: be bothered to actually do his job as Transportation Secretary 357 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: and address the supply chain because he decided to be 358 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: home on paternity leave. That then you have after that, 359 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: we had last year, we came within inches of having 360 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: a massive nationwide railroad strike because again the Transportation Secretary 361 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: had screwed up bringing the sides together together and getting 362 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: the labor agreement resolved before a strike was imminent. We 363 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: also looked at just a few weeks ago where the 364 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: FAA had an error in what's called It's no tam 365 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: system that resulted in all commercial aviation in the United 366 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: States being grounded, the first grounding since September eleventh under 367 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: Pete Buddha Jedge's watch. And now you've got train derailment, 368 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: You've got East Palestine and this horrific derailment. And day 369 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: after day after day, Pete Buddhajudge didn't even show up. 370 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: He finally got there yesterday after delaying nearly two weeks. 371 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: It is truly remarkable. He spends his time doing politics. 372 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: He spends his time talking about gun control and talking 373 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: about how he thinks freeways or racist, instead of actually 374 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: doing the job he has, which is a really important job, 375 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: and apparently he's too busy to carry it out. Hey, 376 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: Senator Cruiz, it's buck. You know. The Babylon Bee had 377 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: a one of its headlines go quite viral recently about 378 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: this issue that Transportation Secretary Buddha Judge defends his job 379 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: performance by reminding everybody that he's gay. That was the 380 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: Babylon b headline. And I think one of the reasons 381 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: that that really caught all with so many people is 382 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: the Biden administration is and just just recently they were 383 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: even saying, you know, touting and and really bragging about 384 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: how they're the most diverse and most inclusive administration. Right, 385 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: this is a big, a big line they use. But 386 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: does that also that mean when they say, well, we 387 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: have the following person in some identity politics scale who 388 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: were so proud of putting in this role, doesn't it 389 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: make them almost unfiable for Democrats from a job performance 390 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: standard because they don't want to do that. Well, it 391 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: sure seems to Buck And I gotta say, it's almost 392 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: as if taking a small town mayor and putting him 393 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: in charge of a massive cabinet agency in charge of 394 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: the US transportation system is not a good idea. But like, 395 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: he is not remotely qualified to do the job, and 396 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: if he were, he could start by actually putting in 397 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: the time. Look, his first day on the job, he 398 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: wanted to show how woke he was and ride a 399 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: bike to his office to show, okay, I am environmental pete. 400 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: But at the same time he didn't want to actually 401 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: do the work of biking to the office. So what 402 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: did he do. He got in a big black suburban 403 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: he drove all the way to his office until he 404 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: was a block away, and then he got out and 405 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: got in a bike and biked the final block for 406 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: the TV cameras. That sums up the Biden administration. Ride 407 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: a bike for a block, get the photoop, but don't 408 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: actually do the job. Senator, one of the most important things, 409 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: I bet you would would say, and one of the 410 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: coolest things about being a senator is to get to 411 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: give nominations for people who go to the military academies. Yeah, 412 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: and I know you get absolutely download. I mean just deluged. 413 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: I would imagine in the state of Texas with people 414 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: who are hoping to be able to go to those 415 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: military academies, and you've been looking at the requirements of 416 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: who can and cannot go, and you have fought to 417 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: get something changed. I didn't even know this was a rule. 418 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: Explain to people out there, maybe they got kids that 419 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: are interested in going to the military academies getting these 420 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: fabulous educations serving their country. Explain what the criteria was 421 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: and how it's been changed. Well, let me start with 422 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: what you just said, which is that one of the 423 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: great privileges of representing Texas in the Senate is that 424 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: I get under law to make nominations to the US 425 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: Service Academies, and every year from the state of Texas, 426 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: we get about a thousand kids who want to go 427 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: and who apply for those nominations. And I have a 428 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: Service Academy Advisory Board that consists of veterans and Service 429 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: Academy graduates who reviews all of those thousand recommendations, And 430 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: in a given year, I have typically between forty and 431 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: sixty nominations that I can make. And I'll tell you, Clay, 432 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: if you're ever discouraged about the direction of the country, 433 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: come spend an afternoon looking through these applications and the 434 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: amazing young men and women in Texas who want to 435 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: serve this nation and keep us safe. It will restore 436 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: your faith in America. Now you look at these Service 437 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: Academy grads who are incredible young men and women. One 438 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: aspect of the Service Academies that I think was incredibly unfair, 439 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: as for decades they've had in place a rule that 440 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: if a female cadet gets pregnant, she's forced to do 441 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: one of three things. She can either have an abortion 442 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: and she's effectively forced to have an abortion, or number two, 443 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: she can permanently legally surrender her parental rights with her 444 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: child and give up her child, or number three, she 445 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: can involuntarily withdraw from the service academy and pay them 446 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: back the cost of her education. Now, that rule, as 447 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, was stupid and wildly unfair. And 448 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: so what I did is I teamed up with a Democrat. 449 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: I teamed up with Kirsten Gillibrand, Democrat from New York, 450 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: and we authored legislation called the Cadet Act to reverse that. 451 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: And our legislation passed into law in December. And so 452 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago, the Department of Defense 453 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: formally instructed the Service Academies to reverse this policy. So 454 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: we're no longer forcing female cadets into three horrible choices. Instead, 455 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: we're letting them serve our nation and also choose to 456 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: be a mom if they make that choice. That's great, 457 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: really really good to hear, Senator Cruz, and I'm glad 458 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: that people across the country are learning about this. Should 459 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: have gotten more attention sooner. I think I did want 460 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: to ask you, though, sir, because you have been in 461 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: courtrooms at the highest level, you understand courtroom drama. A 462 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: lot of the country that's been tuning into the news 463 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: today at least has been seeing this Murdoch trial, the 464 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: accused trying to, you know, go back and forth with 465 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: the prosecution here Alex Murdoch. What do you think is 466 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: he helping himself with this or is he probably sealing 467 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: his fate based on what you've seen and on your 468 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: legal expertise. So I will confess candidly that I haven't 469 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: watched it, so I want to be cautious about giving 470 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: legal commentary what I haven't seen, and I've seen that 471 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: they have been headlines, but I've frankly been going back 472 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: and forth in DC, in Texas and on the road 473 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: and just having a time to watch it. But have 474 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: you ever seen a defendant take take the stand against 475 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: the wishes of counsel and actually help himself or herself? 476 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: You know, Look, it is a risky strategy, and any 477 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: time a defendant takes the stand, it's a risky strategy. 478 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: But then again, if a defendant doesn't take the stand, 479 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: often jurors think there's a reason they're not taking the stand, 480 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: that they're probably guilty. Now, as a matter of law, 481 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: the jury is instructed, they're not supposed to draw that 482 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: inference that you have a right not to testify against 483 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: yourself and not to be forced to testify against yourself. 484 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, America is quite unusual 485 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: in having that right. If if you look at European countries, 486 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: European countries, they can put you on the stand and 487 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: ask you, you know, clay As, it is it true 488 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: that you committed this horrible crime and if you refuse 489 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: to answer, they can they can lock you up for 490 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: as an answer. Last question for you, Senator, I know 491 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: you're busy since we're talking about trials, the jury four 492 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: person going and doing in Georgia basically CNN, MSNBC all 493 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: about this Trump investigation in the state of Georgia. You 494 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: practiced high level appeals court law, everything else. What do 495 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: you think the Democrats are contemplating down there in Georgia 496 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: when they see this four person doing all the interviews 497 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: that she did, well, look well, I think her doing 498 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: those interviews was incredibly foolish. I think the effect of 499 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: it is to benefit Donald Trump significantly, because it's obvious 500 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: that she is a partisan, that she is biased, and 501 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: frankly she certainly appears pretty loopy. At the same time, 502 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: what that means is is that if and when we 503 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: see indictments come, those indictments are going to be perceived 504 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: as partisan and biased and maybe a little loopy too. 505 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: It is similar to the effect of the Biden classified documents. Listen. 506 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: One of the things I've talked about a great length 507 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: on the podcast I do every week Verdict with Ted Cruz, 508 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: is that the Biden Department of Justice I believe wants 509 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: to indict Donald Trump. That Merritt Garland I think he's 510 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: the most political attorney general we've ever had. I think 511 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: he planned to indict Donald Trump, and they were thrown 512 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: a curveball when suddenly Joe Biden seemed to be discovering 513 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: classified documents just about everywhere, including in the garage next 514 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: to his corvette, in his beach house. At again, you 515 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: got to the point you wondered, where didn't Joe Biden 516 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: keep classified documents in violation of law? And the complication 517 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: there is now the Biden DOJ is in an almost 518 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: impossible political situation where they want to indict Trump, but 519 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: it will look obviously like a double standard if they 520 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: indict Trump and not Biden for similar conduct. I think 521 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: the Democrats feel the same way about this jury for 522 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: a woman is her showing her bias undermines the ability 523 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: of the prosecution to go forward. I think it really 524 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: lays bare what was going on. Outstanding stuff, Senator Ted Cruz. 525 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: We appreciate you and we'll talk to you again soon. 526 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, gentlemen, God bless. If your cell phone service 527 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: still with ATNT, Verizon or T Mobile you're spending too 528 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: much money. Switch to pure Talk and save nearly a 529 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. You'll get the same quality as 530 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: service at a fraction of the price. If that sounds 531 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: too good to be true, guess what. Pure Talk is 532 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: the only wireless company to offer a hundred percent money 533 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: back guarantee. 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The 550 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: Murdoch case not not on the mind of hundred ten Cruz, 551 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: but many millions of other people are watching that play 552 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: out right now. That cross examination still going on for 553 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: hours it start. It reminds me of of my my 554 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: polygraph exam, which went on for hours when I was 555 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: getting getting brought into the intelligence community. Just you know, 556 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: the first hour, you think you're pretty slick, you could 557 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: answer all the questions. Once you get a few hours 558 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: into something, you get tired, and that's when some mistakes 559 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: can happen. But you know, Clay, I think that the 560 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: Biden administration recognizes East Palestine has been an issue for them. 561 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: One thing that I'm still trying to get a handle 562 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: on is how there aren't more stories connecting the dots 563 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: on where the economy is right now. You've got still 564 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: really high inflation. I was out when the new inflation 565 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: numbers came out. I was on honeymoon, but I saw that. 566 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: And you have all these companies that are laying people off. Yeah, 567 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: you've had stock market you know rough. It hasn't obviously crashed, 568 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: but it's been rough, and there's just a general pullback. 569 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: Everyone I speak to was saying, who owns a business, 570 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: runs a bus or works for a big company? All 571 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, revenue down, sails down, hiring freeze, all this, 572 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: and it's like we're just getting ready for a big 573 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: storm that's coming, but there's not going to talk about. 574 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean, here's CNBC's Joe Kernin saying that inflation is 575 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: still as bad as it has been since the eighties 576 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: Play twelve. What disturbed me today by what you were 577 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: saying was to go to the all time high we're 578 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: going back to like nineteen eighty, and then to show 579 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: that we're below the worst recent levels were like basis 580 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: points away from the from the worst most recent levels. 581 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this is still bad. This is as bad 582 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: as it's been since the eighties, and it's only moderated 583 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, are we becoming kind of numb 584 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: to the economic pain here? It just feels like this 585 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: should be any There's no sense of urgency from this 586 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: Bid administration about the fact that people are still struggling 587 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: with day to day costs, and they're struggling because of 588 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: decisions made by the government. Inflation is a government created problem. Yeah, 589 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: and Buck in addition, and this is the one that 590 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: I would say needs to be hammered home time after time. 591 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: Inflation is bad, wage increase is even worse. So everybody 592 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: who has been out there working as hard as they can, 593 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: which is a huge part of our audience, most of you, 594 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: even if you have gotten wage increases, I think the 595 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: average income has gone up like four percent a year, 596 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: the inflation rate is far above what you are earning 597 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: more of as a salary, right, So your effective money 598 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: that you have to spend has declined in the Biden administration, 599 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: the likes of which we haven't seen since the seventies. 600 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: And it's a little bit complicated, but when inflation is 601 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: over six percent and you're getting roughly a four percent 602 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: wage increase, the buying power of your dollar is declining. 603 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: And that's on top of Buck, where I think a 604 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: lot of people out there are dealing with this mortgage 605 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: crisis right where you go from three percent to over 606 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: six percent. A lot of you might have been interested 607 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: in moving into new houses, and you're like, we can't 608 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: afford to go to a six percent mortgage. We're just 609 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: gonna stay put, which is why the real estate market 610 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: has basically dried up. And then you also add in 611 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: the stock market is down fairly substantially since Joe Biden 612 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: came into office. That doesn't happen very often, Buck, where 613 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: you're now into a third year of the Biden administration, 614 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: and if you went out and bought stock because you 615 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: were a big believer that Joe Biden was going to 616 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: revitalize the American economy on the day that he went 617 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: into office, you've lost a fairly substantial amount of money 618 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: just by buying index funds or whatever else, to say 619 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: nothing of some of the huge collapses we've seen, for instance, 620 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: in the tech industry and stock prices. Yeah, I mean, 621 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: who's doing well right now? Green energy nonprofits and diversity 622 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: and inclusion lecturers and educators have been really under the 623 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: Biden administration. What group of people in the economy are 624 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: feeling like things are going are going great. It's not 625 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: the American people overall. That's for Darnshore. Yeah, you're one 626 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: hundred percent right about that. And I think the biggest 627 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: challenge as you associate that is this should be the 628 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: story of twenty twenty four. Right. The Biden regime is 629 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: the incumbents in office. They are the story. They have failed. 630 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: They're going to try to make Donald Trump the story, 631 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: or rhym De Santis the story, or whoever the nominee is. 632 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: We can't let that happen. You have to judge Joe 633 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: Biden as incumbent. Does he deserve a second term in office? 634 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: Unless you're a diversity inclusion extraordinaire, the answer is no. 635 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: That's the only people he's helped. Everything else has been 636 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: a disaster, for sure.