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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to thank you for joining us today. Hope

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<v Speaker 1>this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope it gives you perspective to see God is moving.

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<v Speaker 1>In your life. Enjoy the message.

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<v Speaker 2>Where would you expect to find Jesus on resurrection Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's forty days away from ascending in to

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<v Speaker 2>heaven and the Holy Spirit is coming to Jerusalem, So

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps you would expect to find him in a place

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<v Speaker 2>with stained glass windows. Would it surprise you to know

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<v Speaker 2>that he went on the road, that Jesus Christ, the

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<v Speaker 2>Son of God resurrected from the grave, who's certainly risen

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<v Speaker 2>from the dead, has the power to call for any

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<v Speaker 2>means of transportation. I mean, if I'm up from the dead,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting an angel to give me a ride forget uber.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need lyft. I would want to ride in style.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jesus sets out on this road. Touch somebody say

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<v Speaker 2>walk with me. You sounded like you didn't really want

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<v Speaker 2>to walk. You sounded like yeah, you sounded like you

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<v Speaker 2>were headed somewhere. You didn't want to be touch them

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<v Speaker 2>like you're going somewhere you want to go and say

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<v Speaker 2>walk with me, Walk with me. That's really the invitation

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<v Speaker 2>of the series. It's been turning my world upside down

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<v Speaker 2>and really revolutionizing my walk with God. To see Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>walking backward on the day that he got up from

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<v Speaker 2>the dead, to see that he's not in Jerusalem where

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<v Speaker 2>the Holy Spirit is coming. The place where he was

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<v Speaker 2>crucified was the place where the promise.

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<v Speaker 1>Is going to be released.

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<v Speaker 2>The place where he suffered is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>place where the glory of God is revealed. And while

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for that to happen, Jesus goes for a walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Last week, we met an interesting character. Does anyone remember

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<v Speaker 2>his name? Yeah, Cleo. We call him Cleo. The Bible

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<v Speaker 2>calls him Cleopus, but we're friendly with Cleo, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we gave him a nickname. And we were surprised that

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<v Speaker 2>we have never met him before. And he's the first

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<v Speaker 2>one that Jesus appears to. Well, I should give you

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more context than that. The women went

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<v Speaker 2>that morning, because sometimes women have more faith than men do.

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<v Speaker 2>They have the ability to feel God in ways. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you get men to worship. It's like a miracle.

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<v Speaker 2>Women will lift their hands. They just don't really have

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<v Speaker 2>a problem coming into the presence of God. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>a woman will have the kind of persistence and patience

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<v Speaker 2>with a child. I thought y'all would back me up

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<v Speaker 2>right here. I'm trying to give some some love to

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<v Speaker 2>the women. But they went to the to remember to

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<v Speaker 2>anoint Jesus's body, but his body wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>And in some ways, I guess it was.

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<v Speaker 2>An indictment that they thought he would still be there

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<v Speaker 2>when he told them I'm getting up on the third day.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't really believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though they were sentimental, they had not yet experienced

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of supernatural resurrection power that.

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<v Speaker 1>Enables you to know that even if it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>Dead, was dead, is dead, it doesn't have to stay dead.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what resurrection tells me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why our logo as a church is a Neon logo,

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<v Speaker 2>a Neon arrow pointing upward to let you know that

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<v Speaker 2>wherever your life is today, love can lift you. Whatever

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<v Speaker 2>bit you've fallen into. Loff can lift you, whatever time

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<v Speaker 2>you've lost, whatever years you've wasted, Love can lift you

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<v Speaker 2>whatever fear has held you down up until this point,

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<v Speaker 2>the grave is empty. He has risen and we're going somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>going somewhere. So the women come to annoy in his body.

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<v Speaker 2>But his body isn't there. Somebody say, it isn't there. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel excited today. God's gonna set somebody free. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel it in every fiber of my being. God is

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<v Speaker 2>going to set somebody free today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, his body wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>And okay, so his body isn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's up out of the grave. Where is he?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he kind of appears throughout the day, But I

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<v Speaker 2>want to go back to where can I pick up

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<v Speaker 2>where I left off last week?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about it. If you weren't here, I'll bring

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<v Speaker 1>you in.

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<v Speaker 2>So he walks with Cleo in this unnamed companion some

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<v Speaker 2>scholar speculated.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>The text doesn't say that. The text doesn't give us

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<v Speaker 2>the other name because sometimes it's not about you. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't about revealing who the other person was. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even about Cleo. And Jesus is sneaking up behind two

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<v Speaker 2>travelers who are disappointed and discouraged. Because God doesn't need

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<v Speaker 2>for you to be happy to do work in your heart. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't just hang out with people who pretend like

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<v Speaker 2>they have it all together. Cleo is not only concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>but in many ways he has crushed because his expectation

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<v Speaker 2>of who Jesus would be, what he would do, wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>met when he died on the cross.

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<v Speaker 1>It crushed Cleo.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jesus comes alongside the one who has crushed and

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<v Speaker 2>his unnamed companion, and he walks with them away from

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<v Speaker 2>the place where the promise will fall toward an unknown place.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's unknown today.

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<v Speaker 2>They knew where it was at the time, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was so insignificant in that day. Because God doesn't just

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<v Speaker 2>show up in big places and appear too important people.

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<v Speaker 2>He might show up and speak to somebody in the

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<v Speaker 2>back of the room, somebody in overflow, somebody who isn't

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<v Speaker 2>even in the in the church building. They're in a

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<v Speaker 2>hospital bed. He goes to this village called a Mais,

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<v Speaker 2>and along the way, wouldn't it be awesome if Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>himself preached to you. I mean, I know I'm pretty good, Stacy,

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<v Speaker 2>but imagine so, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>You're walking.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jesus comes up and doesn't ask if he can

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<v Speaker 2>walk with you. He just starts talking and he asks

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<v Speaker 2>him a question. Okay, listen before God gives you the answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes he'll change your questions. Yeah, yeah, is it good?

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<v Speaker 2>Mighty quiet in this church today? Sena is mighty quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>Sina looks good. He shaved his head, looking like a

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<v Speaker 2>UFC fighter, looking like a mixed martial artist. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>choking nobody, Sena. But he goes for a walk and hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about? And they tell him about their

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<v Speaker 2>disappointment and he can handle it, doesn't chase them away.

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<v Speaker 2>They tell them about their doubt and he can handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's revolutionizing me because I thought I had to

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<v Speaker 2>have faith for God to meet with me. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>growing to understand that maybe maybe God's presence is most

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<v Speaker 2>powerful when I get honest about my doubt, get honest

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<v Speaker 2>about my pain, and seek him even still, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I learn the most.

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<v Speaker 1>When it doesn't go the way I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>The detours, the details, the dead ends, the detours.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember we said we want to see him in three D.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the Son of God walking with two travelers

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<v Speaker 2>away from the destination. I'm supposed to be on that

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<v Speaker 2>stage right now, But we're walking the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we're walking.

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<v Speaker 2>As we're walking, he's talking and he explains to them

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<v Speaker 2>all about himself. The Bible says that he started with

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<v Speaker 2>Moses and the prophets, and he talks about maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know exactly what he said. The Bible just summarizes,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe he talks about the passover Lamb that Moses

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<v Speaker 2>had the people prepare to celebrate and commemorate their coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of Egypt and their forgiveness of sin. Now they're

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<v Speaker 2>hearing about the Passover Lamb, but they don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>they're standing with the passover Lamb. They won't recognize that

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<v Speaker 2>right now, because usually you only recognize the full extent

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<v Speaker 2>of what God was doing in reverse. So while you're

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<v Speaker 2>on the road, you might not see it. But they

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<v Speaker 2>keep walking. Touch somebody say keep walking, and Jesus is

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<v Speaker 2>just talking, and they like his teaching and they're interested in.

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<v Speaker 1>What he's saying. You know how I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when they got to where they were going, the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible says it was a seven mile journey, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why we're calling it seven mile miracle, and we're using

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<v Speaker 2>it to look at the seven last statements that Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>made on the cross that are recorded in the Gospels.

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<v Speaker 2>But he went with them all seven miles. He went

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<v Speaker 2>with them all the way to Amais. And when they

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<v Speaker 2>got to the place where they thought they were going, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because they weren't going to stay there long.

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<v Speaker 1>God will meet you where you are, but he won't

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<v Speaker 1>leave you there. How good is this already? Man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the introduction. I got to my topic yet. Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get you out on time. But I got something

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<v Speaker 1>to say today.

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<v Speaker 2>And as they walk, his words interested them. But when

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<v Speaker 2>they got to the place where they were going, this

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<v Speaker 2>village called Maaeus, the Bible says that Jesus acted like

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<v Speaker 2>he was gonna keep going, because the journey starts where

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<v Speaker 2>you are, but where it ends depends on you. And

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<v Speaker 2>you decide whether you want your relationship with God to

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<v Speaker 2>just be some superstitious thing, or whether you want it

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<v Speaker 2>to be something so real that you fully surrender the

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<v Speaker 2>operating system.

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<v Speaker 1>Write that down.

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<v Speaker 2>The Cross is my operating system. It is not an addition,

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<v Speaker 2>It is not an accessory, It is not an app.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the new way that I do what I do,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever I do. It doesn't just change what I do

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday morning. It matriculates into my Monday, it transforms

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<v Speaker 2>my Tuesday. It works on Wednesday, it comes through on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>I follow him on Friday, and I'm still saved on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he's the god of all seven miles. How many

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<v Speaker 2>have decided, I'm going all the way with Jesus. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>began a good work with me. We'll be faithful to

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<v Speaker 2>complete it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not stop him where I started.

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<v Speaker 2>Touch somebody said I'm going all the way, all the way,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, hey, you want to eat something.

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<v Speaker 2>Clio said, man, I mean we didn't really plan on

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<v Speaker 2>a guest, but come on in. And where we left

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<v Speaker 2>last week is that while look at verse thirty of

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<v Speaker 2>Luke twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this. This resurrection Sunday. Every day is resurrection Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>Every day is Easter at elevation.

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<v Speaker 2>A miracle can break out in any heart, at any time,

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<v Speaker 2>in any circumstance, in any grave.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he sits down.

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<v Speaker 2>And in a common experience of a shared meal, the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible says, while he was at the table, because remember,

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<v Speaker 2>they're interested in who he is, but they don't yet

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<v Speaker 2>recognize who he is like, some of y'all who come

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<v Speaker 2>here don't really believe this stuff yet, but you like

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<v Speaker 2>the way it makes you feel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not committed yet, but you're curious. You're like, that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of weird. That one thing. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>go back. Yep, good because because he meets you where

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<v Speaker 2>you are right and he sits down with him. Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>the son of God, has time for a meal break

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<v Speaker 2>on Resurrection Sunday, and the Bible says he just starts

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<v Speaker 2>taking over. Okay, you've heard before that God is a

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman and he won't come in if he's not invited.

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<v Speaker 2>That's partially true. But once you let him in, he

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<v Speaker 2>takes over. Be ready for that. He takes over. He says, down,

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<v Speaker 2>he took bread, he just took it. And Cleo Clio's

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<v Speaker 2>just watching. And this visitor, this traveling companion, becomes the host.

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<v Speaker 1>In somebody else's house. And that's what happens when he comes.

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<v Speaker 2>In your heart and when he takes the bread.

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<v Speaker 1>And he gave thanks. So Mary taught him manners.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he said, blessing before you eat, and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Broke it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he began to give it to them. We postulated

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<v Speaker 2>last week that when verse thirty one says, it was

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<v Speaker 2>then that their eyes were opened, and then that they

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<v Speaker 2>recognized him. That perhaps the reason they saw his presence

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<v Speaker 2>when he sat down with them and gave them the

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<v Speaker 2>bread was not only that he broke the bread like

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<v Speaker 2>they broke his body, but that when he gave it

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<v Speaker 2>to them in Jewish custom of the bread was broken

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<v Speaker 2>like this and given like this. And they saw where

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<v Speaker 2>he was wounded, They saw where the nails were, and

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<v Speaker 2>when they saw where the nails were, they realized who

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<v Speaker 2>he was, which lets me know that sometimes the power

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<v Speaker 2>of an example is greater than the power of an explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>He walked with them seven miles.

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<v Speaker 2>He walked with them for the entirety of their journey,

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<v Speaker 2>and what his words could not show them they saw

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<v Speaker 2>in his wounds. Graham was listening to the sermon, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kids will just say.

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<v Speaker 1>What they think he goes. How do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Because he he was pointing out to me that it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't say that they saw his scars in the text.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more we got to talking about it, I

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<v Speaker 2>realized the way he was thinking about it was like this, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if Jesus got up from the grave, and he has

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<v Speaker 2>the power to overcome death. He wouldn't leave scars where

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<v Speaker 2>the nails had been. You know, if God asked resurrection power,

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<v Speaker 2>surely he do a little cosmetic surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jesus isn't having to.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk around with some big holes in his hand or

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<v Speaker 2>marks in the places where they had nailed him, where

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<v Speaker 2>the Roman guard that was led by the Jewish leaders

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<v Speaker 2>had crucified him, sentenced him to death, executed him for

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<v Speaker 2>the sins of all menkind. Surely he wouldn't leave the scars.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had to show Graham, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>show you today how I know they saw his scars

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<v Speaker 2>because look, the Bible says, their eyes were open and

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<v Speaker 2>they recognized him. They saw the one that was with

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<v Speaker 2>them all along. But they saw him not in his words,

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<v Speaker 2>but in his wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>They saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>Not because they heard the stone was rolled away, but

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<v Speaker 2>because they were up close and personal with the one

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<v Speaker 2>who had suffered. And when they saw where he suffered,

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<v Speaker 2>they realized who he was. Then their eyes were open

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<v Speaker 2>and they recognized him, and then he disappeared from their

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<v Speaker 2>sight because that was never their destination.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at verse thirty two.

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<v Speaker 2>The scripture says, They asked each.

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<v Speaker 1>Other, we're not our hearts burning while he talked.

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<v Speaker 2>His words made their hearts burn, But it was his

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<v Speaker 2>wounds that opened their eyes. There are some things that

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<v Speaker 2>cannot be explained. They can only be experienced. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you that God is near to the broken heart,

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you that all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is not until your heart is broken.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not until you are at the end of yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not until those who walked with you had

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<v Speaker 2>turned their back on you.

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<v Speaker 1>But God stood by your side.

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<v Speaker 2>That you can say with confidence, the Lord is my helper.

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<v Speaker 2>What can man do to me? I bear on my

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<v Speaker 2>body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Let no man trouble me. I walked through the valley,

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<v Speaker 1>I went through the shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't with his words. It was where he

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<v Speaker 2>was wounded. That's where they saw him. On the road.

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<v Speaker 2>He opened the scriptures to us. And now they're excited,

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<v Speaker 2>so they leave Amais. They got up and went back.

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<v Speaker 2>God told me to tell somebody get up and go back.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Jesus got up, but the reason he got

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<v Speaker 2>up is not so you could stand around with sacramental

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<v Speaker 2>spices and sing some sacramental songs to a stationary god.

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<v Speaker 2>He got up so I could get up the same power.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm shouting for suffs inside of.

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<v Speaker 1>Me makes me shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I see you getting up, and I see you

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<v Speaker 2>going back.

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<v Speaker 1>I see you getting up. The prodigal son said, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is ridiculous for me to be down here with the

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<v Speaker 2>pigs when my father owns the palace.

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<v Speaker 1>Get up, go back. You don't need a speech. This

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<v Speaker 1>is your second chance.

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<v Speaker 2>They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem, and

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<v Speaker 2>they retreaded the seven miles.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the second seven miles.

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<v Speaker 2>When they turned around, rerouted by the resurrection power of

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<v Speaker 2>God revealed in the scars of the Savior. Thank you Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel his presence today.

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<v Speaker 1>They got up. They went back.

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<v Speaker 2>This is your comeback. Come back, Cleo, Come back, Cleo.

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<v Speaker 2>The spirit is coming Come back, Cleo. God's not done

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<v Speaker 2>with you yet. Come back, Cleo. They got up and

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<v Speaker 2>they came back, and when they got there, they found

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<v Speaker 2>the eleven. This is the disciples minus Judas. Judas didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go so well for him. He didn't come back. But

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<v Speaker 2>they were all assembled together, and when Cleo got there,

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<v Speaker 2>they were starting to get the picture. Because Jesus had

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<v Speaker 2>been appearing to them too, And now it all comes together,

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<v Speaker 2>and now the ones who went away come back and

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who stayed, they all get together and they say.

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<v Speaker 1>It is true. The Lord has risen has appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>Simon and Clio's like, yeah, me too. He showed me.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw through amazing looking for thirty five. They were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we were on this road and he was telling my Moses.

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<v Speaker 1>He thoughout the prophet. Do we even know he was

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<v Speaker 1>can He took the bride and he took the brac cabs.

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<v Speaker 1>The practice saw scars.

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<v Speaker 2>That half when he broke the bread, he was recognized

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<v Speaker 2>in the scars. How do you know he still has scars?

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<v Speaker 2>Graham saying, Okay, here's what I know, because what Luke

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't tell us, John does tell us. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go there for a minute. Because it's resurrection Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's evening. It's been a long day for Jesus. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you start off with a little exercise, pushed that stone

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way, a little CrossFit. If you they

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<v Speaker 2>take me for granted, that humor was epic. That is

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<v Speaker 2>elite level preacher humor. Whether you recognize it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lord liked that joke. I never realized how funny

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible is. Man, It's hilarious, it really is. That's

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<v Speaker 2>something I didn't get because I always thought God was

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<v Speaker 2>so serious.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know, hey, I know it's serious as a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of life and death. Trust me. Nobody takes more

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<v Speaker 1>serious to me.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jesus just messing around with people sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Because watch this.

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<v Speaker 2>It says on the evening of the first day of

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<v Speaker 2>the week, this verse nineteen John, chapter twenty, same evening. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>so Cleo is coming back, and the disciples were together

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<v Speaker 2>with the doors locked for fear. See that's what fear

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<v Speaker 2>will always do. It will always lock you in from

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<v Speaker 2>the inside. They weren't locked out, they were locked in.

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<v Speaker 2>We lock ourselves in because of fear. Remember that, that's important.

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<v Speaker 2>They were locked in for fear of the Jewish leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey they might kill us.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, there's a rumor circulating that we stole the body.

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<v Speaker 2>We better stay up here now now, Remember Cleo and

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<v Speaker 2>his companion went the wrong way. But is it any

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<v Speaker 2>better to stay in Jerusalem with the doors locked.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people go away from God. Some people stay in church,

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<v Speaker 1>but their.

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<v Speaker 2>Heart is so locked they might as well, not.

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<v Speaker 1>Even be there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about your heart. And Jesus, Jesus is so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Why says the doors are locked for fear of the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish leaders. And Jesus came and stood among them.

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<v Speaker 1>How did he do it?

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<v Speaker 2>He picked the lock. See, grace will break in the

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<v Speaker 2>back door, kick the door down.

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<v Speaker 1>Grace is a G. Grace will come on in, take

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<v Speaker 1>on over.

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<v Speaker 2>Take your bread, break your bread.

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<v Speaker 1>Change your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus showed up and said peace, Grace is a G.

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<v Speaker 2>Touch somebody said grace is a G. Hashtag Grace is

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<v Speaker 2>a G. Just any way.

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<v Speaker 1>In peace be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>But watch this. After he said this, he showed them

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<v Speaker 2>his hands and his side. Five wounds. Five is the

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<v Speaker 2>number of grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remember that. Five wounds in his.

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<v Speaker 2>Sigh, in his hands, in his feet, five wounds. He

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<v Speaker 2>showed him his hands, five fingers. He showed him his

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<v Speaker 2>hands where the nails were, where the nails were. And

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder did they have a flashback, because the first word,

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<v Speaker 2>there are seven.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get them all.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the first word that Jesus spoke from the

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<v Speaker 2>cross is a statement. He said, Father, forgive them, for

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<v Speaker 2>they know not what they do, what a generous interpretation.

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<v Speaker 2>When people insult me, I tell God, they know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I do forgive somebody, it takes me time.

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<v Speaker 2>But while they were driving the nails, I'm flashing back

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<v Speaker 2>now from the cross. I wonder when they saw his hands,

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<v Speaker 2>did they remember his words? I wonder when they saw

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<v Speaker 2>where he was wounded? Did they remember the words he spoke?

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<v Speaker 1>Father?

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<v Speaker 2>Forgive them, for they know not what they do, not

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<v Speaker 2>what they did. But while they were doing it, he

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<v Speaker 2>had the presence of mind to forgive, and he needed help.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Jesus, perfect as he was, human as he was,

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<v Speaker 2>knew that.

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<v Speaker 1>He could not forgive without the help of his father.

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<v Speaker 2>So as I think about forgiveness today, I wonder where

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<v Speaker 2>you've been wounded, Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>That was in his hands.

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<v Speaker 2>When they saw the hands, they realized this is not

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<v Speaker 2>an impersonator.

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<v Speaker 1>If this is not an.

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<v Speaker 2>Impostor, they had to see something. They had to see

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<v Speaker 2>something that let them know what he went through. And

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<v Speaker 2>you keep trying to prove God's presence by your successes.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it came time for Jesus Christ, the Son

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<v Speaker 2>of God, to prove his presence, he said, look where

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<v Speaker 2>the nails were see my hands. See where they drove

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<v Speaker 2>the spikes between the bones so they would not break,

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<v Speaker 2>so that it would support the weight of my body

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<v Speaker 2>long enough for me to suffocate. See see it killed me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't stay dead. It broke me. But I

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<v Speaker 2>am now whole. I was dead, now I'm alive. See

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<v Speaker 2>my scars. My scars tell a story. I'm not ashamed

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<v Speaker 2>to show my scars. Christianity is not cosmetic surgery, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can hide what you've been through to try to

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<v Speaker 2>get people to think you're perfect. Christianity. Jesus Christ didn't

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<v Speaker 2>come to conceal the pain. He came to reveal his glory,

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<v Speaker 2>and he showed it. It is stars, but there was one.

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<v Speaker 2>God has always looked him for the one who wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Bible tells us that even though the eleven

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<v Speaker 2>minus Judas got to see him, there was one who

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't there, named Thomas. Can I talk about Thomas for

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<v Speaker 2>one minute? Let me teach you about Thomas. Oh Man, Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets a bad rap. They call him in the church.

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<v Speaker 2>They call him doubting Thomas. Have you ever heard this before?

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<v Speaker 2>Doubting Thomas? Because church people will label you by one

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<v Speaker 2>moment in your journey, doubting Thomas adultery.

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<v Speaker 1>Annie, I'll stop right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Some things going through my head that would have to

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<v Speaker 2>be edited out for you too, because light will label

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<v Speaker 2>you by what you did, and the Bible gives us

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<v Speaker 2>a little Only John tells us this, because John had

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<v Speaker 2>the sensitivity to him.

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<v Speaker 1>When you read his gospel, he tells you things other people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll mention he said, now Thomas, also known as Didimus.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we've just got to label Thomas a doubter,

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<v Speaker 2>can we at least call him doubting Didamis because the

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<v Speaker 2>alliteration works much better doubting Didimus. The Bible says that

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<v Speaker 2>doubting did he one of the twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Was not with.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody say he wasn't there. So now Jesus and Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>got something in common. When they went to look for

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus that body, he wasn't there. When Jesus showed up

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<v Speaker 2>alive and resurrected, Thomas wasn't there, and Thomas wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible doesn't say why he wasn't there. I've always

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<v Speaker 2>heard it preach like he wasn't there because he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have enough faith to be there, but the boys inside

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<v Speaker 2>had the doors locked.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't any better.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we're gonna give out nicknames, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Simon Peter inside with the doors locked.

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<v Speaker 1>How about scaredy cat Simon Peter, scaredy Simon.

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<v Speaker 2>How about locked door Levi, lock him up Levi?

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<v Speaker 1>And doubting Dicky. And we all have dolves. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 2>We all have scars, we all have dysfunction. You might

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<v Speaker 2>have long sleeves, but if I could roll up your sleeves,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been through something.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll struggle with something. Your wife may not know it.

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<v Speaker 2>But God goes, I gotta hurry, I gotta hurry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting really indulgent.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta get you out of here because the next

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<v Speaker 2>crowd's coming in. Somebody somebody say, nails nails, nails nails.

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<v Speaker 2>So the other disciple told him we have seen the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>But Thomas said, this is why I had come down

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<v Speaker 2>in Thomas. I call him honest Thomas. I don't come

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<v Speaker 2>him down in Thomas. I call him honest Thomas, truthful Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Thomas is like, I'm not buying it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>buying it. Off what you said, I need to see

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<v Speaker 2>for myself. I got to see Jesus for myself. This

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<v Speaker 2>has to be real to me. So hey, unless I

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<v Speaker 2>see the nail marks in his hands, unless I see

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<v Speaker 2>where he suffered, I will not believe in his glory.

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<v Speaker 2>And unless I put my finger where the nails were

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<v Speaker 2>and put my hand into his sigh, I won't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch Jesus. Now, I want to point out one thing

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<v Speaker 2>in verse twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven days later, a week later, seven seven miles, seven days.

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<v Speaker 2>God will leave you in a space where you don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand to create faith in your heart. So Thomas says,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to see the scars. Jesus could have showed

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<v Speaker 2>up on the spot. He waited seven days. Jesus could

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<v Speaker 2>have walked up to Cleo and said, see my scars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's me. But sometimes he wants to let you walk

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<v Speaker 1>and wonder and walk and wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>Not because he doesn't love you, but because if your

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<v Speaker 2>faith needs an explanation, it cannot sustain the trials of life.

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<v Speaker 2>So he waits seven days. You'll help me ap preach this.

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<v Speaker 2>He waits seven days. Have you ever had to wait

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<v Speaker 2>seven days? Have you ever had to wait through a

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<v Speaker 2>custody battle. Have you ever had to wait to see

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>if this is ever gonna feel better? Have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>had to wait through pain, wake through depression, wake through

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>anxiety attacks, wake through bad reports, way.

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Through a newscast? Have you ever had to wait.

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<v Speaker 2>There awaiting a waiting period? And then when Jesus shows

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<v Speaker 2>up a week later?

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<v Speaker 1>Seven?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody say seven, seven days, seven miles, seven days, seven miles.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the number of completion. And then Jesus shows.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, maybe just at that point where Thomas is tired

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<v Speaker 2>of waiting. And the disciples were in the house again,

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<v Speaker 2>and Thomas this time was there, and Jesus walks in.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the next part. Though the doors were locked, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Still locked, the doors still scared, but they stayed, still scared.

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>But they stayed.

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<v Speaker 2>I still got some addictions, and I'm in church today.

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<v Speaker 1>God can work with that. I'm still on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get it, but I'm still.

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<v Speaker 2>And this time Thomas was there. He's not gonna miss

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<v Speaker 2>it this time. And Jesus came in, stood among them

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and said, peace, watch what comes next? You'll temmy, Hey diddy, hey, honest, Thomas,

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I heard you wanted to see my.

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<v Speaker 1>Scars Now this is important.

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<v Speaker 2>Put your finger here, where where the nails were?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that what you needed to see?

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas? Where the nails were? And I noticed something? He

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't say, where the nails are? You'll tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back from the grave and I need you to

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<v Speaker 1>see something.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, Thomas, no more nails. Look, Thomas, they're not here.

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>But your finger where the sin was. Put your finger

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 2>where the shame was. Put your finger where they tried

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 2>to crucify the creator of the world. No more, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>shall no more nails, No more nails. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>what held me doesn't hold me anymore. I came to

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<v Speaker 2>the clare. Today is the day of freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you would push.

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Your neighbor to they almost fall over, and say, no

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<v Speaker 2>more nails, No more nails. Now, I've heard so much

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<v Speaker 2>any sermons about forgiveness, because we've all been wounded. Raise

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 2>your hand if life hasn't wounded you yet. I want

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>to see where the liars are in the church, because

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to have a special prayer for all the

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 2>liars who would have the audacity to lie in the

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<v Speaker 2>presence of God and act like you haven't been wounded.

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 2>We've all been wounded, rock Hill, Gaston County.

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<v Speaker 1>It don't matter Toronto, Canada. You can't.

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>You can't walk the road without being wounded. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>go to church without being wounded.

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<v Speaker 1>Faked, I'm mad. That's why I have that gange. Faked.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a I was in a church one time and

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<v Speaker 2>the preacher got on to sing about wounds. And it

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 2>was so weird, y'all, because he was like he was.

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 2>He was preaching about wounds. His thing was trying to

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 2>get everybody go back and remember all the ways they've

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>been wounded throughout their whole life. He had me thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff in the third grade, just the craziest stuff

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>like that was going to bring healing. Look at this,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus didn't show Thomas his wounds. He showed him his scars.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a difference between being wounded and being scarred.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. So when I prayed about this first word

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<v Speaker 2>of forgiveness, the Lord told me to talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>about the nails, whatever has wounded you, whatever you hide,

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 2>whatever happened. See when Jesus shows Thomas his scars, I'm

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.839
<v Speaker 2>glad he kept his scars. I'm glad he kept that

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<v Speaker 2>part I'm glad he didn't stay dead, but I'm also

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 2>glad that he came out scarred because that gives me hope.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how I try to preach. I don't want

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 2>to preach wounded, because if I preach wounded, I'm going

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>to inflict my pain on you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to be a wounded parent. I

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be a wounded spouse. I don't want

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to walk around. God spoke to.

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<v Speaker 2>Me a couple months ago and he said, if I've

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<v Speaker 2>really healed you like you claim I have, why are

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 2>you still so touchy? Thomas said, I want to see

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<v Speaker 2>where the wounds were. And when I teach pre cherch

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan can tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you get up and tell the church all the

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<v Speaker 2>ways that you woke up at five thirty am. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I put you in my puppet show

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<v Speaker 2>the church some of your scars, you can show them

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 2>the stones that God has rolled away. That's fine, that's

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the part of it. He is a god of miracles,

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 2>he is a god who makes dreams come true. And

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 2>we've all got some stones that he's rolled away. But

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<v Speaker 2>we've all got some scars too, So show them your scars.

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<v Speaker 2>Show them where you didn't get up at five thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, show him.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you pretended like you didn't hear the baby crying

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 2>at five thirty got up.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell them that story. Tell them how you almost quit.

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Tell them how you wanted to throw up the first

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 2>week you went out to preach after the news media

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.240
<v Speaker 2>ran a story about you for four days straight saying

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 2>things about you.

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Tell them that.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell them how you were in the bathroom and you

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>came out smiling. Show them where the wounds were, and

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 2>it'll give them hope that what wound did me doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to hold me forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, it's time to be free.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been long enough, it's been seven days. Forgiveness doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean it didn't happen. The scar shows it happened. Jesus

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.879
<v Speaker 2>didn't show up and say what Cross? What to talk

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>about Cross? I don't remember Cross. I heard a preacher

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 2>say one time, this guy's an he should have his

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.839
<v Speaker 2>credentials revoke. He said, if you've really uh, let's get

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>a preacher voice going, if you've really forgiven someone in

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:15.439
<v Speaker 2>your hearts, you will not even remember the offense. There

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 2>is a word that comes to my mind to describe

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>what he said, but I'm gonna just say it's it's inaccurate.

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.399
<v Speaker 2>It's not denial when I say forgiveness, because I gotta

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>be careful because I'm a pastor, right, I'm not just

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 2>passing through preaching one week leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to just get something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to go on a journey with you and

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>to let you know that when you when you let

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 2>go of whatever wounded you so that you can be

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>free and go into the.

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Future God has for you.

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that you pretend it never happened. This

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 2>is not denial. The nails were there. My dad walked

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>out on.

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Me, not my dad. I'm saying that you could say my.

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Mom had an impossible standard that I could never live

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>up to, and I believe that part of my eating disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>Today has to do with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I can't let

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:11.359
<v Speaker 2>it hold me. I cannot blame her forever, not if

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm a Christian, not if I am a Christian, not

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 2>if I worship the one who was wounded for my transgression. See,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to let you know something because the hardest

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 2>person you'll ever forgive. Is not your ex, is not

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>your mom, is not your dad. It's not your neighbor

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 2>who came over your fence and your property line. The

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>hardest person you will ever have to forgive is yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>See the truth be told.

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<v Speaker 2>It is my self inflicted nails that I have the

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 2>hardest time.

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<v Speaker 1>Letting go off.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want the devil to know when he comes

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 2>to hammer at me with accusation. I don't know where

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 2>you go when that start to happen, how worthless you are.

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Have you noticed the devil loves to hammer you, and

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 2>he's got a big hammer. But let me tell you

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:11.760
<v Speaker 2>a little secret. He ain't got no more nails. Somebody

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>shout no more nails?

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Do that, Sime?

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>The devil hammers you with accusations, shout back in his face,

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:30.760
<v Speaker 2>she got no nails. All my nails are in that cross.

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 2>All my shame is on that cross. Somebody shouting no

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<v Speaker 2>more nails. There is therefore now no condemnation for those

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 2>who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus, the

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>law of the spirit of life has set me free

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 2>from the law of sin and death. The devil might

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>have a hammer, but he doesn't have any nails, breaks.

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Out in touch the place.

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Where the nails were, where they were. It doesn't mean

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 2>it didn't happen. It happened. I fell sure it happened.

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 2>I ruined the relationship.

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>It happened. They abused me in ways that I don't

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 1>even want to tell my own spouse. It happened. I

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>deal with the traumatic rememorancy.

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 2>It's not that it didn't happen, and it's not that

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't hurt. That's not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness doesn't

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 2>mean it it doesn't hurt.

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean the nails might be gone, but the memory

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>is still there. And it's really easy.

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 2>To forgive sometimes when the person that you're forgiving is gone,

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.240
<v Speaker 2>but when you still have to work I'll share custody,

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:58.839
<v Speaker 2>when you still have to live with the memory, when

0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>you still can't be touched without recalling the shame of

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 2>when you were touched the wrong way, and now you're

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 2>trying to learn how to love the right way, when

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 2>you're trying to learn how to trust.

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean it won't hurt.

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Away with the preaching that will teach you that the

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 2>pain will go away when you forgive the offense. It's

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>not that the pain goes away. I'm helping somebody, I'm

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 2>setting somebody free. You keep waiting for the feeling of

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 2>forgiveness to come.

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 3>It's not a feeling. It takes faith. I said, it

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 3>takes faith. I said it takes faith. I said it

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:37.760
<v Speaker 3>takes faith. It takes faith to believe.

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 2>That the same place where the nails were is the

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 2>same place where the healing is.

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 1>They saw it in a scarce.

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Jesus needed those nails. If they had nailed him to

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:02.359
<v Speaker 2>that cross, if they had, if they hadn't punctured, if

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the blood didn't flow from that place, the power wouldn't

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 2>be released. I'm saying not that God's gonna take the

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<v Speaker 2>scar away, but that he is going to release the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest strength in your life from the place where the

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<v Speaker 2>nails were.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, shout no more else. It's a declaration. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean it didn't happen. It happened. They bullied you, it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>They lied about you.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, not only have you suffered some wounds,

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<v Speaker 2>but you've inflicted a few two. And it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>crazy how we can be comfortable putting all of our

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<v Speaker 2>nails in Jesus cross, but then walk around with a

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<v Speaker 2>pocket full of our own to put in other people.

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<v Speaker 1>If all my.

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<v Speaker 2>Nails are in his cross, that means all of yours

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<v Speaker 2>are too. I cannot demand to receive a grace from

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<v Speaker 2>God for me that I will not give to you.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what it means, what it means isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't happen. What it means isn't that it didn't hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>What it means is not that I won't handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>I might not be able to be friends with you

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<v Speaker 2>in the same way anymore because I might not be

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<v Speaker 2>able to trust you. Forgiveness is not the same as reconciliation.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't go email in your ex on message them on

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook when you're married now for twelve years talking about

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<v Speaker 2>will you forgive me?

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<v Speaker 1>In the still of the night, into the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Flashbacks to prom It's not that things won't be different.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that I won't handle it. But Thomas, I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to put your finger in the place where

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<v Speaker 1>I was held to the cross, and I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to know that what held me doesn't hold me anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what forgiveness is. Friends.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that it didn't happen. It happened, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was horrible. It's not that it doesn't hurt, It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not going to live in the offense any longer.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been wounded long enough. Why would I choose to

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<v Speaker 2>stay wounded when healing is in his hands? Why would

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<v Speaker 2>I keep nailing you to cross when it's only hurting me.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody say, no more nails, No more nails. The spirit

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<v Speaker 2>of God is in this place. No more nails. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all in the cross, all my past, all my shame,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all in the cross.

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<v Speaker 1>No more nails. To be free, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta let go, and I declare over your life today.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that it won't ever hurt again, not that some

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<v Speaker 2>things won't need to change, not that it won't be

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<v Speaker 2>a process.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember this is only my one of our journey.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you will put your nails in that cross

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<v Speaker 2>and trust what Jesus proved that all things, somebody shot

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<v Speaker 2>all things, even the nails, even judas, even that. I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to a woman who went through the most traumatic

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:00.800
<v Speaker 2>childhood experience you can disc I wouldn't put it in

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<v Speaker 2>this sermon because there are kids who came in.

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<v Speaker 1>But what she went through was so horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet she was able to look at me in the

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<v Speaker 2>eye and say, although I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Choose it, and although I'm not saying.

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<v Speaker 2>It was okay or that it was right or that

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<v Speaker 2>God did it, I'm not trying to justify it when

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<v Speaker 2>I see how God has used even the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't choose. It's not that I wanted it to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that it doesn't hurt. I'm not gonna fake.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna live in denial. I'm not gonna stay

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<v Speaker 2>in dysfunction. I'm not gonna but I I wouldn't trade

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<v Speaker 2>my scars for anything, because my scars.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the proof of his power. Yeah I got scars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I went through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it hurt like hell. Yes they drove the nails.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it was offensive, and yes it was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I won't stay here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I won't sacrifice my future on the altar.

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<v Speaker 1>Of my past. No more nas. I'm coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming out. Come on, shot like your fred, shot,

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<v Speaker 2>like your freends. How long do you want to stay wounded?

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<v Speaker 2>How long do you want to stay stuck? It happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not living in denial it hurts. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to live defensive, pretending it doesn't hurt, and I have

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 2>to handle it. I'm not gonna live in dysfunction, enabling

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.960
<v Speaker 2>dysfunctional situations and calling it forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not gonna stay here dead. When he is risen,

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<v Speaker 1>no one else, no more else.

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<v Speaker 2>He is going on the cross today, all of it,

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<v Speaker 2>all of it, the sin you did, the sin that

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:40.439
<v Speaker 2>was done to you, is all going on the same

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 2>cross today. And all things, even the scars, not just

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<v Speaker 2>the stone, but the scars, all things will work together.

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<v Speaker 1>For the good.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, Thomas, it doesn't hold me anymore, Thomas. Your doubt

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to hold you anymore. Look, Thomas, touch you

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 2>see my scars. You see my scars. I know you

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<v Speaker 2>got some mounds. They've been open long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time. It's time, Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're not over it yet, you may never

0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:34.359
<v Speaker 2>feel completely over it, but you gotta move on.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't stay like this forever. You can't stay angry

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<v Speaker 4>about it forever. You gotta get going.

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