1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 2: I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our podcast. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to thank you for joining us today. Hope 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith. 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Hope it gives you perspective to see God is moving. 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: In your life. Enjoy the message. 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Where would you expect to find Jesus on resurrection Sunday. 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: You know, he's forty days away from ascending in to 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 2: heaven and the Holy Spirit is coming to Jerusalem, So 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: perhaps you would expect to find him in a place 11 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: with stained glass windows. Would it surprise you to know 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: that he went on the road, that Jesus Christ, the 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Son of God resurrected from the grave, who's certainly risen 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: from the dead, has the power to call for any 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: means of transportation. I mean, if I'm up from the dead, 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: I'm getting an angel to give me a ride forget uber. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: I don't need lyft. I would want to ride in style. 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: But Jesus sets out on this road. Touch somebody say 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: walk with me. You sounded like you didn't really want 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: to walk. You sounded like yeah, you sounded like you 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: were headed somewhere. You didn't want to be touch them 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: like you're going somewhere you want to go and say 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: walk with me, Walk with me. That's really the invitation 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: of the series. It's been turning my world upside down 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: and really revolutionizing my walk with God. To see Jesus 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: walking backward on the day that he got up from 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 2: the dead, to see that he's not in Jerusalem where 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit is coming. The place where he was 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: crucified was the place where the promise. 30 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: Is going to be released. 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: The place where he suffered is going to be the 32 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: place where the glory of God is revealed. And while 33 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: waiting for that to happen, Jesus goes for a walk. 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: Last week, we met an interesting character. Does anyone remember 35 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: his name? Yeah, Cleo. We call him Cleo. The Bible 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: calls him Cleopus, but we're friendly with Cleo, and so 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: we gave him a nickname. And we were surprised that 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: we have never met him before. And he's the first 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: one that Jesus appears to. Well, I should give you 40 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: a little bit more context than that. The women went 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: that morning, because sometimes women have more faith than men do. 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: They have the ability to feel God in ways. You know, 43 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: when you get men to worship. It's like a miracle. 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: Women will lift their hands. They just don't really have 45 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: a problem coming into the presence of God. And sometimes 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: a woman will have the kind of persistence and patience 47 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: with a child. I thought y'all would back me up 48 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: right here. I'm trying to give some some love to 49 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: the women. But they went to the to remember to 50 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: anoint Jesus's body, but his body wasn't there. 51 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: And in some ways, I guess it was. 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: An indictment that they thought he would still be there 53 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: when he told them I'm getting up on the third day. 54 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: They didn't really believe that. 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: Even though they were sentimental, they had not yet experienced 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: that kind of supernatural resurrection power that. 57 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: Enables you to know that even if it seems. 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: Dead, was dead, is dead, it doesn't have to stay dead. 59 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: That's what resurrection tells me. 60 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: That's why our logo as a church is a Neon logo, 61 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: a Neon arrow pointing upward to let you know that 62 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: wherever your life is today, love can lift you. Whatever 63 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: bit you've fallen into. Loff can lift you, whatever time 64 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: you've lost, whatever years you've wasted, Love can lift you 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: whatever fear has held you down up until this point, 66 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: the grave is empty. He has risen and we're going somewhere, 67 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: going somewhere. So the women come to annoy in his body. 68 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: But his body isn't there. Somebody say, it isn't there. Well, 69 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: I feel excited today. God's gonna set somebody free. I 70 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: feel it in every fiber of my being. God is 71 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: going to set somebody free today. 72 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, his body wasn't there. 73 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: And okay, so his body isn't there. 74 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: So he's up out of the grave. Where is he? 75 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: Well, he kind of appears throughout the day, But I 76 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: want to go back to where can I pick up 77 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: where I left off last week? 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. If you weren't here, I'll bring 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: you in. 80 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: So he walks with Cleo in this unnamed companion some 81 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: scholar speculated. 82 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Could have been his wife. 83 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: The text doesn't say that. The text doesn't give us 84 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: the other name because sometimes it's not about you. It 85 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: wasn't about revealing who the other person was. It wasn't 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: even about Cleo. And Jesus is sneaking up behind two 87 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: travelers who are disappointed and discouraged. Because God doesn't need 88 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: for you to be happy to do work in your heart. Okay, 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: he doesn't just hang out with people who pretend like 90 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: they have it all together. Cleo is not only concerned, 91 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: but in many ways he has crushed because his expectation 92 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: of who Jesus would be, what he would do, wasn't 93 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: met when he died on the cross. 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: It crushed Cleo. 95 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: And Jesus comes alongside the one who has crushed and 96 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: his unnamed companion, and he walks with them away from 97 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: the place where the promise will fall toward an unknown place. 98 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's unknown today. 99 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: They knew where it was at the time, but it 100 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: was so insignificant in that day. Because God doesn't just 101 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: show up in big places and appear too important people. 102 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: He might show up and speak to somebody in the 103 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: back of the room, somebody in overflow, somebody who isn't 104 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: even in the in the church building. They're in a 105 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: hospital bed. He goes to this village called a Mais, 106 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: and along the way, wouldn't it be awesome if Jesus 107 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: himself preached to you. I mean, I know I'm pretty good, Stacy, 108 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: but imagine so, y'all. 109 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: You're walking. 110 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: And Jesus comes up and doesn't ask if he can 111 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: walk with you. He just starts talking and he asks 112 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: him a question. Okay, listen before God gives you the answers. 113 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes he'll change your questions. Yeah, yeah, is it good? 114 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: Mighty quiet in this church today? Sena is mighty quiet. 115 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: Sina looks good. He shaved his head, looking like a 116 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: UFC fighter, looking like a mixed martial artist. I mean, 117 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: choking nobody, Sena. But he goes for a walk and hey, 118 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: what you're talking about? And they tell him about their 119 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: disappointment and he can handle it, doesn't chase them away. 120 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: They tell them about their doubt and he can handle it. 121 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: And that's revolutionizing me because I thought I had to 122 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: have faith for God to meet with me. But I'm 123 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: growing to understand that maybe maybe God's presence is most 124 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: powerful when I get honest about my doubt, get honest 125 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: about my pain, and seek him even still, maybe that's 126 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: where I learn the most. 127 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: When it doesn't go the way I wanted to. 128 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: The detours, the details, the dead ends, the detours. 129 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: Remember we said we want to see him in three D. 130 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: So here's the Son of God walking with two travelers 131 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: away from the destination. I'm supposed to be on that 132 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: stage right now, But we're walking the wrong way. 133 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: And as we're walking. 134 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: As we're walking, he's talking and he explains to them 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: all about himself. The Bible says that he started with 136 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: Moses and the prophets, and he talks about maybe I 137 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: don't know exactly what he said. The Bible just summarizes, 138 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: but maybe he talks about the passover Lamb that Moses 139 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: had the people prepare to celebrate and commemorate their coming 140 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: out of Egypt and their forgiveness of sin. Now they're 141 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: hearing about the Passover Lamb, but they don't know that 142 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: they're standing with the passover Lamb. They won't recognize that 143 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: right now, because usually you only recognize the full extent 144 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: of what God was doing in reverse. So while you're 145 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: on the road, you might not see it. But they 146 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: keep walking. Touch somebody say keep walking, and Jesus is 147 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: just talking, and they like his teaching and they're interested in. 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: What he's saying. You know how I know. 149 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: Because when they got to where they were going, the 150 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: Bible says it was a seven mile journey, and that's 151 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: why we're calling it seven mile miracle, and we're using 152 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: it to look at the seven last statements that Jesus 153 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: made on the cross that are recorded in the Gospels. 154 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: But he went with them all seven miles. He went 155 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: with them all the way to Amais. And when they 156 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: got to the place where they thought they were going, okay, 157 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: because they weren't going to stay there long. 158 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: God will meet you where you are, but he won't 159 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: leave you there. How good is this already? Man, this 160 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: is the introduction. I got to my topic yet. Don't worry. 161 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: I'll get you out on time. But I got something 162 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: to say today. 163 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: And as they walk, his words interested them. But when 164 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: they got to the place where they were going, this 165 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: village called Maaeus, the Bible says that Jesus acted like 166 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: he was gonna keep going, because the journey starts where 167 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: you are, but where it ends depends on you. And 168 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: you decide whether you want your relationship with God to 169 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: just be some superstitious thing, or whether you want it 170 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: to be something so real that you fully surrender the 171 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: operating system. 172 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: Write that down. 173 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: The Cross is my operating system. It is not an addition, 174 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: It is not an accessory, It is not an app. 175 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: It is the new way that I do what I do, 176 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: whatever I do. It doesn't just change what I do 177 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 2: on Sunday morning. It matriculates into my Monday, it transforms 178 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: my Tuesday. It works on Wednesday, it comes through on Thursday. 179 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: I follow him on Friday, and I'm still saved on Saturday. 180 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: Because he's the god of all seven miles. How many 181 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 2: have decided, I'm going all the way with Jesus. He'll 182 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: began a good work with me. We'll be faithful to 183 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: complete it. 184 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm not stop him where I started. 185 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: Touch somebody said I'm going all the way, all the way, 186 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: and they were like, hey, you want to eat something. 187 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: Clio said, man, I mean we didn't really plan on 188 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: a guest, but come on in. And where we left 189 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: last week is that while look at verse thirty of 190 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: Luke twenty four. 191 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: I love this. This resurrection Sunday. Every day is resurrection Sunday. 192 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: Every day is Easter at elevation. 193 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: A miracle can break out in any heart, at any time, 194 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: in any circumstance, in any grave. 195 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: And so he sits down. 196 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: And in a common experience of a shared meal, the 197 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: Bible says, while he was at the table, because remember, 198 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: they're interested in who he is, but they don't yet 199 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: recognize who he is like, some of y'all who come 200 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: here don't really believe this stuff yet, but you like 201 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: the way it makes you feel. 202 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: It's cool. 203 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: You're not committed yet, but you're curious. You're like, that 204 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: was kind of weird. That one thing. I want to 205 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: go back. Yep, good because because he meets you where 206 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: you are right and he sits down with him. Jesus Christ, 207 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: the son of God, has time for a meal break 208 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: on Resurrection Sunday, and the Bible says he just starts 209 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: taking over. Okay, you've heard before that God is a 210 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: gentleman and he won't come in if he's not invited. 211 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: That's partially true. But once you let him in, he 212 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: takes over. Be ready for that. He takes over. He says, down, 213 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: he took bread, he just took it. And Cleo Clio's 214 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: just watching. And this visitor, this traveling companion, becomes the host. 215 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: In somebody else's house. And that's what happens when he comes. 216 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: In your heart and when he takes the bread. 217 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: And he gave thanks. So Mary taught him manners. 218 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: Okay, he said, blessing before you eat, and he. 219 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: Broke it. 220 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: And he began to give it to them. We postulated 221 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: last week that when verse thirty one says, it was 222 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: then that their eyes were opened, and then that they 223 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: recognized him. That perhaps the reason they saw his presence 224 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: when he sat down with them and gave them the 225 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: bread was not only that he broke the bread like 226 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: they broke his body, but that when he gave it 227 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: to them in Jewish custom of the bread was broken 228 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: like this and given like this. And they saw where 229 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: he was wounded, They saw where the nails were, and 230 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: when they saw where the nails were, they realized who 231 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: he was, which lets me know that sometimes the power 232 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: of an example is greater than the power of an explanation. 233 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: He walked with them seven miles. 234 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: He walked with them for the entirety of their journey, 235 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: and what his words could not show them they saw 236 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: in his wounds. Graham was listening to the sermon, and 237 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: you know, kids will just say. 238 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: What they think he goes. How do you know? 239 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: Because he he was pointing out to me that it 240 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: doesn't say that they saw his scars in the text. 241 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: And the more we got to talking about it, I 242 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: realized the way he was thinking about it was like this, Well, 243 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: if Jesus got up from the grave, and he has 244 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: the power to overcome death. He wouldn't leave scars where 245 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: the nails had been. You know, if God asked resurrection power, 246 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: surely he do a little cosmetic surgery. 247 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: So Jesus isn't having to. 248 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: Walk around with some big holes in his hand or 249 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: marks in the places where they had nailed him, where 250 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: the Roman guard that was led by the Jewish leaders 251 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: had crucified him, sentenced him to death, executed him for 252 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: the sins of all menkind. Surely he wouldn't leave the scars. 253 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: But I had to show Graham, and I'm going to 254 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: show you today how I know they saw his scars 255 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: because look, the Bible says, their eyes were open and 256 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: they recognized him. They saw the one that was with 257 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: them all along. But they saw him not in his words, 258 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: but in his wounds. 259 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: They saw him. 260 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: Not because they heard the stone was rolled away, but 261 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: because they were up close and personal with the one 262 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: who had suffered. And when they saw where he suffered, 263 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: they realized who he was. Then their eyes were open 264 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: and they recognized him, and then he disappeared from their 265 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: sight because that was never their destination. 266 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: Look at verse thirty two. 267 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: The scripture says, They asked each. 268 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: Other, we're not our hearts burning while he talked. 269 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: His words made their hearts burn, But it was his 270 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: wounds that opened their eyes. There are some things that 271 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: cannot be explained. They can only be experienced. And when 272 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: I tell you that God is near to the broken heart, 273 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: I can tell you that all day long. 274 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: But it is not until your heart is broken. 275 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: It is not until you are at the end of yourself. 276 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: It is not until those who walked with you had 277 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: turned their back on you. 278 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: But God stood by your side. 279 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: That you can say with confidence, the Lord is my helper. 280 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: What can man do to me? I bear on my 281 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: body the marks of the Lord Jesus. 282 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: Let no man trouble me. I walked through the valley, 283 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: I went through the shadow. 284 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: But it wasn't with his words. It was where he 285 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: was wounded. That's where they saw him. On the road. 286 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: He opened the scriptures to us. And now they're excited, 287 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: so they leave Amais. They got up and went back. 288 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: God told me to tell somebody get up and go back. 289 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: I know Jesus got up, but the reason he got 290 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: up is not so you could stand around with sacramental 291 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: spices and sing some sacramental songs to a stationary god. 292 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: He got up so I could get up the same power. 293 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm shouting for suffs inside of. 294 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: Me makes me shot. 295 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: Because I see you getting up, and I see you 296 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: going back. 297 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: I see you getting up. The prodigal son said, this. 298 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: Is ridiculous for me to be down here with the 299 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: pigs when my father owns the palace. 300 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: Get up, go back. You don't need a speech. This 301 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: is your second chance. 302 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem, and 303 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: they retreaded the seven miles. 304 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: This is the second seven miles. 305 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: When they turned around, rerouted by the resurrection power of 306 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: God revealed in the scars of the Savior. Thank you Lord, 307 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: I feel his presence today. 308 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: They got up. They went back. 309 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: This is your comeback. Come back, Cleo, Come back, Cleo. 310 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: The spirit is coming Come back, Cleo. God's not done 311 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 2: with you yet. Come back, Cleo. They got up and 312 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: they came back, and when they got there, they found 313 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 2: the eleven. This is the disciples minus Judas. Judas didn't 314 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: go so well for him. He didn't come back. But 315 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: they were all assembled together, and when Cleo got there, 316 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: they were starting to get the picture. Because Jesus had 317 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: been appearing to them too, And now it all comes together, 318 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: and now the ones who went away come back and 319 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: the ones who stayed, they all get together and they say. 320 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: It is true. The Lord has risen has appeared to 321 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: Simon and Clio's like, yeah, me too. He showed me. 322 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: We saw through amazing looking for thirty five. They were like, hey, 323 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: we were on this road and he was telling my Moses. 324 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: He thoughout the prophet. Do we even know he was 325 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: can He took the bride and he took the brac cabs. 326 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: The practice saw scars. 327 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: That half when he broke the bread, he was recognized 328 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: in the scars. How do you know he still has scars? 329 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: Graham saying, Okay, here's what I know, because what Luke 330 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: doesn't tell us, John does tell us. And I want 331 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: to go there for a minute. Because it's resurrection Sunday. 332 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: Now it's evening. It's been a long day for Jesus. Okay, 333 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: you start off with a little exercise, pushed that stone 334 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: out of the way, a little CrossFit. If you they 335 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 2: take me for granted, that humor was epic. That is 336 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: elite level preacher humor. Whether you recognize it or not. 337 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: The Lord liked that joke. I never realized how funny 338 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: the Bible is. Man, It's hilarious, it really is. That's 339 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: something I didn't get because I always thought God was 340 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: so serious. 341 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: And I know, hey, I know it's serious as a 342 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: matter of life and death. Trust me. Nobody takes more 343 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: serious to me. 344 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: But Jesus just messing around with people sometimes. 345 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: Because watch this. 346 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: It says on the evening of the first day of 347 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: the week, this verse nineteen John, chapter twenty, same evening. Now, 348 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 2: so Cleo is coming back, and the disciples were together 349 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: with the doors locked for fear. See that's what fear 350 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: will always do. It will always lock you in from 351 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: the inside. They weren't locked out, they were locked in. 352 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 2: We lock ourselves in because of fear. Remember that, that's important. 353 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: They were locked in for fear of the Jewish leaders. 354 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: Hey they might kill us. 355 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: Hey, there's a rumor circulating that we stole the body. 356 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: We better stay up here now now, Remember Cleo and 357 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: his companion went the wrong way. But is it any 358 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: better to stay in Jerusalem with the doors locked. 359 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: Some people go away from God. Some people stay in church, 360 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: but their. 361 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: Heart is so locked they might as well, not. 362 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: Even be there. 363 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: It's about your heart. And Jesus, Jesus is so funny. 364 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: Why says the doors are locked for fear of the 365 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: Jewish leaders. And Jesus came and stood among them. 366 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: How did he do it? 367 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: He picked the lock. See, grace will break in the 368 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: back door, kick the door down. 369 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: Grace is a G. Grace will come on in, take 370 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: on over. 371 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: Take your bread, break your bread. 372 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: Change your life. 373 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: Jesus showed up and said peace, Grace is a G. 374 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: Touch somebody said grace is a G. Hashtag Grace is 375 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: a G. Just any way. 376 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: In peace be with you. 377 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: But watch this. After he said this, he showed them 378 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: his hands and his side. Five wounds. Five is the 379 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: number of grace. 380 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: Just remember that. Five wounds in his. 381 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: Sigh, in his hands, in his feet, five wounds. He 382 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: showed him his hands, five fingers. He showed him his 383 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: hands where the nails were, where the nails were. And 384 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: I wonder did they have a flashback, because the first word, 385 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: there are seven. 386 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: We're going to get them all. 387 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: This is the first word that Jesus spoke from the 388 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: cross is a statement. He said, Father, forgive them, for 389 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: they know not what they do, what a generous interpretation. 390 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: When people insult me, I tell God, they know exactly 391 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 2: what they're doing. 392 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: And if I do forgive somebody, it takes me time. 393 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: But while they were driving the nails, I'm flashing back 394 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: now from the cross. I wonder when they saw his hands, 395 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: did they remember his words? I wonder when they saw 396 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 2: where he was wounded? Did they remember the words he spoke? 397 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: Father? 398 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: Forgive them, for they know not what they do, not 399 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: what they did. But while they were doing it, he 400 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: had the presence of mind to forgive, and he needed help. 401 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: Even Jesus, perfect as he was, human as he was, 402 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: knew that. 403 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: He could not forgive without the help of his father. 404 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: So as I think about forgiveness today, I wonder where 405 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: you've been wounded, Jesus. 406 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: That was in his hands. 407 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 2: When they saw the hands, they realized this is not 408 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: an impersonator. 409 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: If this is not an. 410 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: Impostor, they had to see something. They had to see 411 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: something that let them know what he went through. And 412 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: you keep trying to prove God's presence by your successes. 413 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: But when it came time for Jesus Christ, the Son 414 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: of God, to prove his presence, he said, look where 415 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: the nails were see my hands. See where they drove 416 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: the spikes between the bones so they would not break, 417 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: so that it would support the weight of my body 418 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: long enough for me to suffocate. See see it killed me, 419 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: but I didn't stay dead. It broke me. But I 420 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 2: am now whole. I was dead, now I'm alive. See 421 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: my scars. My scars tell a story. I'm not ashamed 422 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: to show my scars. Christianity is not cosmetic surgery, so 423 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: you can hide what you've been through to try to 424 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: get people to think you're perfect. Christianity. Jesus Christ didn't 425 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: come to conceal the pain. He came to reveal his glory, 426 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: and he showed it. It is stars, but there was one. 427 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: God has always looked him for the one who wasn't there. 428 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: And the Bible tells us that even though the eleven 429 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: minus Judas got to see him, there was one who 430 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: wasn't there, named Thomas. Can I talk about Thomas for 431 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: one minute? Let me teach you about Thomas. Oh Man, Thomas. 432 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: He gets a bad rap. They call him in the church. 433 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: They call him doubting Thomas. Have you ever heard this before? 434 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: Doubting Thomas? Because church people will label you by one 435 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: moment in your journey, doubting Thomas adultery. 436 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: Annie, I'll stop right there. 437 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: Some things going through my head that would have to 438 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: be edited out for you too, because light will label 439 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: you by what you did, and the Bible gives us 440 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: a little Only John tells us this, because John had 441 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 2: the sensitivity to him. 442 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: When you read his gospel, he tells you things other people. 443 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: I'll mention he said, now Thomas, also known as Didimus. 444 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: I mean, if we've just got to label Thomas a doubter, 445 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: can we at least call him doubting Didamis because the 446 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: alliteration works much better doubting Didimus. The Bible says that 447 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: doubting did he one of the twelve. 448 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Was not with. 449 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: Somebody say he wasn't there. So now Jesus and Thomas 450 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: got something in common. When they went to look for 451 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 2: Jesus that body, he wasn't there. When Jesus showed up 452 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: alive and resurrected, Thomas wasn't there, and Thomas wasn't there. 453 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: The Bible doesn't say why he wasn't there. I've always 454 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: heard it preach like he wasn't there because he didn't 455 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 2: have enough faith to be there, but the boys inside 456 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: had the doors locked. 457 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: They weren't any better. 458 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: So if we're gonna give out nicknames, let's talk about 459 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: Simon Peter inside with the doors locked. 460 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: How about scaredy cat Simon Peter, scaredy Simon. 461 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: How about locked door Levi, lock him up Levi? 462 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: And doubting Dicky. And we all have dolves. That's what 463 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. 464 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: We all have scars, we all have dysfunction. You might 465 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: have long sleeves, but if I could roll up your sleeves, 466 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: you've been through something. 467 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: You'll struggle with something. Your wife may not know it. 468 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: But God goes, I gotta hurry, I gotta hurry. 469 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm getting really indulgent. 470 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 2: I gotta get you out of here because the next 471 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: crowd's coming in. Somebody somebody say, nails nails, nails nails. 472 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: So the other disciple told him we have seen the Lord. 473 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: But Thomas said, this is why I had come down 474 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: in Thomas. I call him honest Thomas. I don't come 475 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: him down in Thomas. I call him honest Thomas, truthful Thomas. 476 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: Because Thomas is like, I'm not buying it. I'm not 477 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 2: buying it. Off what you said, I need to see 478 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 2: for myself. I got to see Jesus for myself. This 479 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: has to be real to me. So hey, unless I 480 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 2: see the nail marks in his hands, unless I see 481 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: where he suffered, I will not believe in his glory. 482 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: And unless I put my finger where the nails were 483 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: and put my hand into his sigh, I won't believe. 484 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: Watch Jesus. Now, I want to point out one thing 485 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: in verse twenty six. 486 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: Look at it. 487 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: Seven days later, a week later, seven seven miles, seven days. 488 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: God will leave you in a space where you don't 489 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: understand to create faith in your heart. So Thomas says, 490 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: I need to see the scars. Jesus could have showed 491 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: up on the spot. He waited seven days. Jesus could 492 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: have walked up to Cleo and said, see my scars. 493 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: It's me. But sometimes he wants to let you walk 494 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: and wonder and walk and wonder. 495 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: Not because he doesn't love you, but because if your 496 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 2: faith needs an explanation, it cannot sustain the trials of life. 497 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: So he waits seven days. You'll help me ap preach this. 498 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: He waits seven days. Have you ever had to wait 499 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: seven days? Have you ever had to wait through a 500 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: custody battle. Have you ever had to wait to see 501 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: if this is ever gonna feel better? Have you ever 502 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: had to wait through pain, wake through depression, wake through 503 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: anxiety attacks, wake through bad reports, way. 504 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: Through a newscast? Have you ever had to wait. 505 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: There awaiting a waiting period? And then when Jesus shows 506 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: up a week later? 507 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: Seven? 508 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: Everybody say seven, seven days, seven miles, seven days, seven miles. 509 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: It's the number of completion. And then Jesus shows. 510 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: Up, maybe just at that point where Thomas is tired 511 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: of waiting. And the disciples were in the house again, 512 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: and Thomas this time was there, and Jesus walks in. 513 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: Look at the next part. Though the doors were locked, they. 514 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: Still locked, the doors still scared, but they stayed, still scared. 515 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: But they stayed. 516 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: I still got some addictions, and I'm in church today. 517 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: God can work with that. I'm still on the road. 518 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: I don't get it, but I'm still. 519 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: And this time Thomas was there. He's not gonna miss 520 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: it this time. And Jesus came in, stood among them 521 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: and said, peace, watch what comes next? You'll temmy, Hey diddy, hey, honest, Thomas, 522 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: I heard you wanted to see my. 523 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: Scars Now this is important. 524 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: Put your finger here, where where the nails were? 525 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: Isn't that what you needed to see? 526 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: Thomas? Where the nails were? And I noticed something? He 527 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: didn't say, where the nails are? You'll tell me. 528 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm back from the grave and I need you to 529 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: see something. 530 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: Look, Thomas, no more nails. Look, Thomas, they're not here. 531 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: But your finger where the sin was. Put your finger 532 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: where the shame was. Put your finger where they tried 533 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: to crucify the creator of the world. No more, somebody 534 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: shall no more nails, No more nails. In other words, 535 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 2: what held me doesn't hold me anymore. I came to 536 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: the clare. Today is the day of freedom. 537 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: I wish you would push. 538 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: Your neighbor to they almost fall over, and say, no 539 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: more nails, No more nails. Now, I've heard so much 540 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: any sermons about forgiveness, because we've all been wounded. Raise 541 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: your hand if life hasn't wounded you yet. I want 542 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: to see where the liars are in the church, because 543 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: I want to have a special prayer for all the 544 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: liars who would have the audacity to lie in the 545 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: presence of God and act like you haven't been wounded. 546 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: We've all been wounded, rock Hill, Gaston County. 547 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: It don't matter Toronto, Canada. You can't. 548 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: You can't walk the road without being wounded. You can't 549 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: go to church without being wounded. 550 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: Faked, I'm mad. That's why I have that gange. Faked. 551 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm a I was in a church one time and 552 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: the preacher got on to sing about wounds. And it 553 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: was so weird, y'all, because he was like he was. 554 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: He was preaching about wounds. His thing was trying to 555 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: get everybody go back and remember all the ways they've 556 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: been wounded throughout their whole life. He had me thinking 557 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: of stuff in the third grade, just the craziest stuff 558 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: like that was going to bring healing. Look at this, 559 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: Jesus didn't show Thomas his wounds. He showed him his scars. 560 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 2: There is a difference between being wounded and being scarred. 561 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:19,479 Speaker 1: That's good. 562 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: That's good. So when I prayed about this first word 563 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: of forgiveness, the Lord told me to talk to you 564 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 2: about the nails, whatever has wounded you, whatever you hide, 565 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: whatever happened. See when Jesus shows Thomas his scars, I'm 566 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 2: glad he kept his scars. I'm glad he kept that 567 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: part I'm glad he didn't stay dead, but I'm also 568 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: glad that he came out scarred because that gives me hope. 569 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 2: And that's how I try to preach. I don't want 570 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: to preach wounded, because if I preach wounded, I'm going 571 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 2: to inflict my pain on you. 572 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: And I don't want to be a wounded parent. I 573 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: don't want to be a wounded spouse. I don't want 574 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: to walk around. God spoke to. 575 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: Me a couple months ago and he said, if I've 576 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: really healed you like you claim I have, why are 577 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: you still so touchy? Thomas said, I want to see 578 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 2: where the wounds were. And when I teach pre cherch 579 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 2: Jonathan can tell you. 580 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: I tell him. 581 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: Don't you get up and tell the church all the 582 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 2: ways that you woke up at five thirty am. And 583 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 2: you know, if I put you in my puppet show 584 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 2: the church some of your scars, you can show them 585 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: the stones that God has rolled away. That's fine, that's 586 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: the part of it. He is a god of miracles, 587 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: he is a god who makes dreams come true. And 588 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: we've all got some stones that he's rolled away. But 589 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: we've all got some scars too, So show them your scars. 590 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: Show them where you didn't get up at five thirty. 591 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: In fact, show him. 592 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: Where you pretended like you didn't hear the baby crying 593 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: at five thirty got up. 594 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: Tell them that story. Tell them how you almost quit. 595 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 2: Tell them how you wanted to throw up the first 596 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: week you went out to preach after the news media 597 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 2: ran a story about you for four days straight saying 598 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: things about you. 599 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: Tell them that. 600 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: Tell them how you were in the bathroom and you 601 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: came out smiling. Show them where the wounds were, and 602 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: it'll give them hope that what wound did me doesn't 603 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: have to hold me forever. 604 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: Come on, it's time to be free. 605 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 2: It's been long enough, it's been seven days. Forgiveness doesn't 606 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 2: mean it didn't happen. The scar shows it happened. Jesus 607 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 2: didn't show up and say what Cross? What to talk 608 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: about Cross? I don't remember Cross. I heard a preacher 609 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 2: say one time, this guy's an he should have his 610 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 2: credentials revoke. He said, if you've really uh, let's get 611 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 2: a preacher voice going, if you've really forgiven someone in 612 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 2: your hearts, you will not even remember the offense. There 613 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 2: is a word that comes to my mind to describe 614 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: what he said, but I'm gonna just say it's it's inaccurate. 615 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 2: It's not denial when I say forgiveness, because I gotta 616 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 2: be careful because I'm a pastor, right, I'm not just 617 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 2: passing through preaching one week leaving. 618 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to just get something. 619 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm trying to go on a journey with you and 620 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 2: to let you know that when you when you let 621 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 2: go of whatever wounded you so that you can be 622 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: free and go into the. 623 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: Future God has for you. 624 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that you pretend it never happened. This 625 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 2: is not denial. The nails were there. My dad walked 626 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 2: out on. 627 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: Me, not my dad. I'm saying that you could say my. 628 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 2: Mom had an impossible standard that I could never live 629 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 2: up to, and I believe that part of my eating disorder. 630 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: Today has to do with that. 631 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I can't let 632 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 2: it hold me. I cannot blame her forever, not if 633 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 2: I'm a Christian, not if I am a Christian, not 634 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 2: if I worship the one who was wounded for my transgression. See, 635 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 2: I need to let you know something because the hardest 636 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 2: person you'll ever forgive. Is not your ex, is not 637 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: your mom, is not your dad. It's not your neighbor 638 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 2: who came over your fence and your property line. The 639 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 2: hardest person you will ever have to forgive is yourself. 640 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: See the truth be told. 641 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 2: It is my self inflicted nails that I have the 642 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: hardest time. 643 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: Letting go off. 644 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 2: But I want the devil to know when he comes 645 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: to hammer at me with accusation. I don't know where 646 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 2: you go when that start to happen, how worthless you are. 647 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 2: Have you noticed the devil loves to hammer you, and 648 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 2: he's got a big hammer. But let me tell you 649 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 2: a little secret. He ain't got no more nails. Somebody 650 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: shout no more nails? 651 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: Do that, Sime? 652 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: The devil hammers you with accusations, shout back in his face, 653 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 2: she got no nails. All my nails are in that cross. 654 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 2: All my shame is on that cross. Somebody shouting no 655 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 2: more nails. There is therefore now no condemnation for those 656 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 2: who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus, the 657 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: law of the spirit of life has set me free 658 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 2: from the law of sin and death. The devil might 659 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: have a hammer, but he doesn't have any nails, breaks. 660 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: Out in touch the place. 661 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 2: Where the nails were, where they were. It doesn't mean 662 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 2: it didn't happen. It happened. I fell sure it happened. 663 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 2: I ruined the relationship. 664 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: It happened. They abused me in ways that I don't 665 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: even want to tell my own spouse. It happened. I 666 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: deal with the traumatic rememorancy. 667 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 2: It's not that it didn't happen, and it's not that 668 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't hurt. That's not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness doesn't 669 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 2: mean it it doesn't hurt. 670 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean the nails might be gone, but the memory 671 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: is still there. And it's really easy. 672 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: To forgive sometimes when the person that you're forgiving is gone, 673 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 2: but when you still have to work I'll share custody, 674 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 2: when you still have to live with the memory, when 675 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 2: you still can't be touched without recalling the shame of 676 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 2: when you were touched the wrong way, and now you're 677 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 2: trying to learn how to love the right way, when 678 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 2: you're trying to learn how to trust. 679 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it won't hurt. 680 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 2: Away with the preaching that will teach you that the 681 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 2: pain will go away when you forgive the offense. It's 682 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: not that the pain goes away. I'm helping somebody, I'm 683 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 2: setting somebody free. You keep waiting for the feeling of 684 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 2: forgiveness to come. 685 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 3: It's not a feeling. It takes faith. I said, it 686 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 3: takes faith. I said it takes faith. I said it 687 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 3: takes faith. It takes faith to believe. 688 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 2: That the same place where the nails were is the 689 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 2: same place where the healing is. 690 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: They saw it in a scarce. 691 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 2: Jesus needed those nails. If they had nailed him to 692 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 2: that cross, if they had, if they hadn't punctured, if 693 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 2: the blood didn't flow from that place, the power wouldn't 694 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 2: be released. I'm saying not that God's gonna take the 695 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 2: scar away, but that he is going to release the 696 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 2: greatest strength in your life from the place where the 697 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 2: nails were. 698 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: Come on, shout no more else. It's a declaration. Doesn't 699 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: mean it didn't happen. It happened. They bullied you, it happened. 700 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: They lied about you. 701 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 2: By the way, not only have you suffered some wounds, 702 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 2: but you've inflicted a few two. And it's kind of 703 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 2: crazy how we can be comfortable putting all of our 704 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 2: nails in Jesus cross, but then walk around with a 705 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 2: pocket full of our own to put in other people. 706 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: If all my. 707 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 2: Nails are in his cross, that means all of yours 708 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 2: are too. I cannot demand to receive a grace from 709 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 2: God for me that I will not give to you. 710 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 2: And so what it means, what it means isn't that 711 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 2: it didn't happen. What it means isn't that it didn't hurt. 712 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 2: What it means is not that I won't handle it. 713 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 2: I might not be able to be friends with you 714 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 2: in the same way anymore because I might not be 715 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 2: able to trust you. Forgiveness is not the same as reconciliation. 716 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 2: Don't go email in your ex on message them on 717 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 2: Facebook when you're married now for twelve years talking about 718 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 2: will you forgive me? 719 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: In the still of the night, into the road. 720 00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 2: Flashbacks to prom It's not that things won't be different. 721 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: It's not that I won't handle it. But Thomas, I 722 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: want you to put your finger in the place where 723 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: I was held to the cross, and I want you 724 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: to know that what held me doesn't hold me anymore. 725 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 1: That's what forgiveness is. Friends. 726 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 2: It's not that it didn't happen. It happened, and it 727 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 2: was horrible. It's not that it doesn't hurt, It's just 728 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 2: that I'm not going to live in the offense any longer. 729 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 2: I've been wounded long enough. Why would I choose to 730 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 2: stay wounded when healing is in his hands? Why would 731 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 2: I keep nailing you to cross when it's only hurting me. 732 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 2: Somebody say, no more nails, No more nails. The spirit 733 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 2: of God is in this place. No more nails. It's 734 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 2: all in the cross, all my past, all my shame, 735 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 2: it's all in the cross. 736 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: No more nails. To be free, I. 737 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,760 Speaker 2: Gotta let go, and I declare over your life today. 738 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 2: Not that it won't ever hurt again, not that some 739 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 2: things won't need to change, not that it won't be 740 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 2: a process. 741 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: Remember this is only my one of our journey. 742 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 2: But if you will put your nails in that cross 743 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 2: and trust what Jesus proved that all things, somebody shot 744 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 2: all things, even the nails, even judas, even that. I 745 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 2: talked to a woman who went through the most traumatic 746 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 2: childhood experience you can disc I wouldn't put it in 747 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,919 Speaker 2: this sermon because there are kids who came in. 748 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: But what she went through was so horrible. 749 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 2: Yet she was able to look at me in the 750 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 2: eye and say, although I wouldn't. 751 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: Choose it, and although I'm not saying. 752 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 2: It was okay or that it was right or that 753 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 2: God did it, I'm not trying to justify it when 754 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 2: I see how God has used even the things that 755 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 2: I wouldn't choose. It's not that I wanted it to happen. 756 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,879 Speaker 2: It's not that it doesn't hurt. I'm not gonna fake. 757 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,959 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna live in denial. I'm not gonna stay 758 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 2: in dysfunction. I'm not gonna but I I wouldn't trade 759 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 2: my scars for anything, because my scars. 760 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 1: Are the proof of his power. Yeah I got scars. 761 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah I went through it. 762 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah it hurt like hell. Yes they drove the nails. 763 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 2: Yes it was offensive, and yes it was wrong. 764 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,919 Speaker 1: But no, I won't stay here. 765 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 2: No, I won't sacrifice my future on the altar. 766 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: Of my past. No more nas. I'm coming out. 767 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 2: I'm coming out. Come on, shot like your fred, shot, 768 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 2: like your freends. How long do you want to stay wounded? 769 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 2: How long do you want to stay stuck? It happened. 770 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 2: I'm not living in denial it hurts. I'm not going 771 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 2: to live defensive, pretending it doesn't hurt, and I have 772 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 2: to handle it. I'm not gonna live in dysfunction, enabling 773 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 2: dysfunctional situations and calling it forgiveness. 774 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna stay here dead. When he is risen, 775 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,879 Speaker 1: no one else, no more else. 776 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 2: He is going on the cross today, all of it, 777 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 2: all of it, the sin you did, the sin that 778 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,439 Speaker 2: was done to you, is all going on the same 779 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 2: cross today. And all things, even the scars, not just 780 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 2: the stone, but the scars, all things will work together. 781 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 1: For the good. 782 00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 2: Look, Thomas, it doesn't hold me anymore, Thomas. Your doubt 783 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 2: doesn't have to hold you anymore. Look, Thomas, touch you 784 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 2: see my scars. You see my scars. I know you 785 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 2: got some mounds. They've been open long enough. 786 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,240 Speaker 1: It's time. It's time, Thomas. 787 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 2: I know you're not over it yet, you may never 788 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 2: feel completely over it, but you gotta move on. 789 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 4: You can't stay like this forever. You can't stay angry 790 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 4: about it forever. You gotta get going. 791 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: Lift your hands, lift your hands, thank you for joining us. 792 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 2: Special things to those of you who give generously to 793 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 2: this ministry. 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