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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome back to the Classic Factory for another

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Speaker 1: one on one episode of No Dunks. I'm Trey Kirby

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Speaker 1: on the line. We got tasks, we got jd We're

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Speaker 1: very excited because joining us today is a guy who's mean,

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Speaker 1: with a tennis racket and an outcast bracket. He's got

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Speaker 1: a one named Twitter handle and never wants to see

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Speaker 1: two macaronis at Thanksgiving. This guy's been on Air Force

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Speaker 1: one with Barack Obama, one of the hosts of the

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Speaker 1: new podcast Gaining Ground the New Georgia Atlanta Zone. Remember Brown, Remember,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for talking to us, Bud.

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Speaker 2: What an intro that was. Can I take you around

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Speaker 2: with me to places.

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Speaker 1: That if you want to hire me as a hype man,

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Speaker 1: I would gladly do it.

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Speaker 2: You remind me of you have the energy right now

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Speaker 2: of like the guy who in attains at a bar mitzvah,

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Speaker 2: like very fantastic, Like I'm at I'm at ten and

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Speaker 2: you're at fifty, and I love it, and I'm like

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Speaker 2: my entire day has changed because I love the two

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Speaker 2: macaroni's line. That was great.

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Speaker 1: That's a classic moment as far as I'm concerned. Another

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Speaker 1: classic moment the last time that me and you ran

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Speaker 1: into each other, I was sprinting up the stairs at

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Speaker 1: a Hawks game because one of my kids had to

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Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. I didn't expect to see you there.

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Speaker 1: There you were great seats down at the Fortress. Hey, remember,

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Speaker 1: gotta go talk to you later. Apparently it was two

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Speaker 1: years later. How have things been, man?

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, a pandemic happened. But you know

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Speaker 2: I at the time of us talking right now, the

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Speaker 2: Hawks are three and zero. Oh yeah, and so like

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm feeling I'm feeling fantastic about that. I feel

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Speaker 2: very fortunate to have my health in a time when

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Speaker 2: that could just very much not be true. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm it's great to see your faces. I

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Speaker 2: do remember that Hawks encounter. Shout out Steve Coonan, my

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Speaker 2: guy for continuing to let me into the building. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: things are great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you mentioned it. Hawks are three and oh big

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Speaker 1: win against the Pistons on Tuesday. Trey Young, he's balling,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Huge offseason for Atlanta. How good

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Speaker 1: do you think the Hawks are gonna be this season?

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Speaker 2: So this is this is such a dangerous thing for

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Speaker 2: me to do, right, now, like this is like I

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Speaker 2: feel like everything I say right now puts the Hawks

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Speaker 2: in jeopardy.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to jinx it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to jinx it. But I have done

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Speaker 2: some things that I've never done before, and the Hawks

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Speaker 2: happened to be three and oh one of those things,

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Speaker 2: I got League pass Okay, I've never gotten League passed before.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big, big just find the link guy. But

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Speaker 2: I work at Twitter now and I use their laptop,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to, you know, get Russians to

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Speaker 2: in our malware and stuff. I'm trying to be a

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Speaker 2: good employee. I'm trying to keep my job and my

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Speaker 2: group text, which is like twelve people I grew up with.

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Speaker 2: The energy has never been more exciting, both about like

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Speaker 2: the future of our politics and also the future of

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Speaker 2: the Hawks are happening at once. And so I was like,

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Speaker 2: I need to I don't want to just be a

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Speaker 2: passive Hawks fan. I want to be actually even if

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Speaker 2: I'm on my phone while there's something else, while the

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Speaker 2: Blacklist is playing on my TV or whatever, I need

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Speaker 2: to be watching the Hawks at all times. And I

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Speaker 2: have like missed very few seconds of this season and

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Speaker 2: it feels nice, and it feels nice.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because they're three and oh. For some franchises,

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Speaker 3: i'd say a big chunk of the franchises, they'd say

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Speaker 3: three and oh. Whoopedie freakin' do? I mean, you really

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Speaker 3: haven't achieved anything yet. But it feels like with the Hawks,

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Speaker 3: this is this is very good. As you said, maybe

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Speaker 3: you know, not that level of excitement amongst your friends. Ever,

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Speaker 3: It's like this team kind of middles its way through seasons.

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Speaker 3: Why the excitement? Why is it happening right now?

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Speaker 2: You know, I think I have you know, I am

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Speaker 2: a big believer that Atlanta got cursed around nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: when we got the Olympics. I think I think a

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Speaker 2: a took a real big nose dive, and we also

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Speaker 2: don't know, you know, who's to say that Georgia goes

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Speaker 2: blue and then we go through like, who's to say

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Speaker 2: not here to talk about football We're definitely here to

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Speaker 2: talk about the only sport I acknowledge right now basketball.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, the the the energy is great.

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Speaker 2: I there's something about Trey that makes me like delusionally

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Speaker 2: believe in him, Like I sure, like I I had

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Speaker 2: a really hard time with the Hawk's millsap years because

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Speaker 2: when I would watch him play basketball, it made me

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Speaker 2: do things and then like.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you thought he was gonna be posted up, he thought,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll just shoot some threes. I gotta agree with you,

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Speaker 1: Trey Young is by far the coolest Hawks player of

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Speaker 1: my adult life. I don't know about you. Is this

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Speaker 1: the coolest Hawks era? There is the Tray Young era.

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Speaker 1: I know we're only three seasons in, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The qting seems pretty massive for Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: I mean he yeah. I mean I I was an

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Speaker 2: admitted skeptic at first. I was like, Wow, this like

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Speaker 2: nutmegging people stuff is not going to go very far,

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Speaker 2: you know, like this is like what is this? This

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Speaker 2: is like and one Harlem Globetrotters. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: seem to like really respect Coach Pierce, who like is

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Speaker 2: like a father figure to me. I've never met him.

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Speaker 2: I've never met him, but like he has like he

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Speaker 2: has like like coach Carter Vibes or something like he

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Speaker 2: has like he was like he wants me to be

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Speaker 2: a better man and then a better basketball player of.

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Speaker 1: Type Vibes, No doubt.

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Speaker 3: We had him on the show. I had never met him,

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Speaker 3: but we had him on the show. He's definitely my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I just there's there's something going on and

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Speaker 2: it's great and like I'm just like going through the life.

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Speaker 2: I need to say any stat that I say I've

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Speaker 2: gotten from my group text, so like fact check everything.

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Speaker 2: But just like stats like we've won two road games

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Speaker 2: this year. Last year apparently I think we only won

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Speaker 2: six road games. Check that someone. But like we're we're

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Speaker 2: doing things that aren't normal. This energy reminds me of

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Speaker 2: He's cool and it was great because we won a

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Speaker 2: always win. We never won. You would have thought we

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Speaker 2: won like four super Bowls during the Vick years. We

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Speaker 2: gave us pride and folks, folks from Atlanta like want

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Speaker 2: like we like shiny things, we like flash, and we

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Speaker 2: like people who were like a little cocky and like confident.

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Speaker 2: And that's what the Hawks, I feel like have been

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Speaker 2: like a player that thinks he's the best player in

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Speaker 2: the league. Trey Young thinks he's the best player in

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Speaker 2: the league, and I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for an arena called the Highlight Factory. There weren't

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Speaker 1: it's every single night. You know, there weren't a lot

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Speaker 1: of wins necessarily for the Hawks the first couple of

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Speaker 1: were there. It became his signature move, and now the

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Speaker 1: team basically decided, we're all in. We're trying to make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. We're gonna put some veteran pieces around Trey Young.

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Speaker 1: You apparently you like that movie You're Fine, kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, stifling the growth perhaps of guys like Kevin

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Speaker 1: Hurd or Cam Reddish, DeAndre Hunter. A couple of them

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Speaker 1: they don't have quite the opportunity that they had coming

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Speaker 1: prior to this season. But uh, I like it. I

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Speaker 1: love the way they're going all in. I like the

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Speaker 1: way they're saying, Hey, we got Trey Young. The guy's

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Speaker 1: It's an exciting time to be a Hawks fan. That's

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Speaker 1: not always the case, but right now it is. Man,

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I still think I I I still think that Cam

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Speaker 2: Reddish is also going to be a star. There's this

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Speaker 2: but it's like made its way into my life in

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Speaker 2: the past three weeks. It's it's Anthony Edwards talking about

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Speaker 2: a bunch of a bunch of now NBA players talking

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Speaker 3: It's nuts, yeah, and it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: So like I just you know, it's very Atlanta thing.

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Speaker 2: I just like love the fact that people care. I

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Speaker 3: And it's funny because I've lived down here for seven

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Speaker 3: years and I would really want the Hawks to be good,

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Speaker 3: and they won sixty games one year. But there isn't

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Speaker 3: Like I wonder if I was a Hawks fan for

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Speaker 3: the last twenty five years, what team I would have

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Speaker 3: latched onto. And I just I don't think there's one.

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Speaker 3: I think this could be the one. I think Trey's

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Speaker 3: he is journeying from growing from nutmegs to just being

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Speaker 3: he knows that there's a path to getting better. And

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Speaker 3: I'm a huge believer in these young guys. I kind

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Speaker 3: and ya Sam Raish bandwagon. And I kind of see

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Speaker 3: this this little iteration of Hey, we've got Gallinari, got Bugdanovic,

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Speaker 3: We've got Clincupella. I think it's kind of it's just

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Speaker 3: Because I do believe in those young guys too. I

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Speaker 3: think Lloyd Peters has a challenge ahead of them. I

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Speaker 3: think there's gonna be some bumps this season because I

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Speaker 3: don't know how you play all these guys. John Collins

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Speaker 3: isn't signed. Let's get to him. What do you believe

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Speaker 3: in John Collins? Because that's that's the next sort of

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Speaker 2: I believe in John Collins. I want I feel like

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Speaker 2: fifty and then try to do this thing. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: actually just gonna do it right now and see if

434
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Speaker 2: it works and like see if I can actually mobilize

435
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Speaker 2: and have a groundswell and like get people to listen

436
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 2: to me and get people to believe. I mean we

437
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: see that. We see that online every day, like we

438
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: see people. I think it's gone from Wow, this is

439
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: a place where you can have your fifteen minutes of

440
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: fame and then and then like we all move on

441
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: to like, hey, I could actually like become a thing

442
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: that people care about or listen to. And so to

443
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: see that that similar energy turn into something like politics,

444
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's that crazy to say.

445
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: Like.

446
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: We've hit a point now where being a public official

447
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: it's to some degree cool again, like it's a it's

448
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 2: a for a while, I feel like it was not

449
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: a career path that seemed interesting, you know. But I

450
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: think from twenty sixteen and what happened in twenty sixteen,

451
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Speaker 2: I just think a lot of people reach their breaking

452
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: point was like no, like this is I've actually seen

453
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: what can happen when the system is in the absolute

454
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: wrong hands, Like I've actually I can point to something

455
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: and being like, oh, like this this can't happen. I

456
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: think when things are like kind of bad, it's easier

457
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: to be indifferent. But when you see something that's just

458
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: so clearly wrong and you are faced with people saying

459
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Speaker 2: things that are just like this is the truth, I'm

460
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Speaker 2: going to say the opposite thing. Like, I think people's

461
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: breaking point has gotten like shorter and shorter, and I

462
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: think that's resulted in you know me, someone like me,

463
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: like I know, like multi at this point, like multiple

464
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: people who are in like Congress and like state representatives.

465
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Speaker 2: And it's not like because they're fancy people. It was

466
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: just like they were like, you know what, like I

467
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: want to represent my neighborhood. I think I could do it,

468
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: you know. And I just think that's awesome as someone

469
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: that for years wanted to be a politician and then

470
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: I took a step away, Like I really think it's

471
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: a very very cool thing.

472
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and those people that do run can win my

473
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: overwhelming margins. As there are some of those stories that

474
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 3: you have in your podcast, I think it's a sort

475
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: of a good message for people that it's never too

476
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: late to start something, whether it is in politics or

477
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: absolutely anything. A lot of the people you talk to

478
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: in the podcast were on the sideline in twenty sixteen,

479
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: people who had been activists for a long time but

480
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: many thought, oh, Hillary Clinton is absolutely going to win

481
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: this election. There's no need for me to get out there. So, yeah,

482
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Speaker 3: they've taken steps post twenty sixteen. I just think that

483
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 3: it's it's an overwhelming I don't know, obstacle or challenge,

484
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: or it's just voting in general sort of feels overwhelming,

485
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: I guess because everything sort of flies at you. All

486
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: this news sort of flies at you. But it's it's

487
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: pretty simple, right, I mean, it's and people see the

488
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 3: power of their vote now in twenty twenty. Is there

489
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: a message out there for those people that find it

490
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: or find the whole thing kind of just like I

491
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: don't want to freaking deal with this.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's hard to it's hard

493
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: to complain if that indifference is still within you. You know.

494
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: I think if you do look at the world and nothing,

495
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: nothing about it really upsets you or angers or you

496
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: think everything is fine, then you know, to that person,

497
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: I don't I actually don't know what to say, but

498
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: you know, I really think something positive that's happening is

499
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: there is this a generation of people who are becoming

500
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Speaker 2: public officials that I do think are knocking like the

501
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: idea of being a politician off the pedestal a little

502
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: bit having it like doing the job with a lot

503
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: more transparency, doing the job with a lot less of

504
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: like like a capital P. I'm a politician. It's more

505
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: like this is like this is what I do for

506
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Speaker 2: a living, Like this is my job, like I represent

507
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: Like it feels like we're going more to like I

508
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: am a representative more than like I am a politician.

509
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: It's like no, like I want to represent, whether it's

510
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: my district or my state or like whatever. It feels

511
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: like we're heading in a direction of folks just wanting

512
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: to do right by the place that they live, you know,

513
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: or the place that they grew up in. Like that

514
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: is for me why I was originally so interested in politics,

515
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: and then a lot of things happen that maybe extremely

516
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: jaded and wanted to get away from it or then

517
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: write about it critically. And now what I'm what I'm

518
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: feeling again, is it like actually being something where like

519
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: if you were dissatisfied with the world around you, like

520
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: this is one of the things you should do, Like

521
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: this is like this is something that is that is

522
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: a possible thing that it you know, someone like anyone

523
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: can like have a message, and you know, you don't

524
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: have to be a millionaire to you know. I think

525
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's you can it can get a

526
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: little blinding when you look into places like Congress and

527
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: the folks with the most power on both sides are

528
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: like crazy millionaires, you know, and it's like, wait, like,

529
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: are any of you.

530
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Really upset with the world right now?

531
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Speaker 2: Because you know, like I know, I can hear what

532
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: you're saying, but like life's pretty good, you know, But

533
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: then you have you know, I love I love AOC,

534
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: you know, like I love the way she's demystified being

535
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: a politician and being a public servant. I think a

536
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: lot of that is really seeping into not just Congress,

537
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: but state reps and and all level just people wanting

538
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: to be a part of things being better and things

539
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: not you know, things being based in facts, and you

540
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: know other things that were no brainers that aren't no

541
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: brainers anymore.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the messages to me through the first

543
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Speaker 1: couple episodes is that if you care, you can make

544
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Speaker 1: a difference. You just have to go out there and

545
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Speaker 1: do it. But another one of the messages that I

546
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Speaker 1: got is that it's gonna take a while it's not

547
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: a straight line the progress, you know, I think it's

548
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: deray that mentions the civil rights movement took a decade.

549
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Somebody even makes a twenty eight to three reference in

550
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: this podcast. Remember don't count your chickens before they hatch.

551
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: You said you were surprised that sounded like that. It

552
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: came in episode two, where you think it would be

553
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Speaker 1: an episode one that we're getting a twenty eight to

554
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: three reference. You know.

555
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: I was just like, I have the power to edit

556
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: this out, but it just happened. It just happened so

557
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: so clean. I was looking at the transcript, I was like, oh,

558
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: this is a great Wow, we made it here. Okay, Okay, nope,

559
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: gotta leave it in. This is transparency again.

560
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's as much a part of the city as

561
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: anything else is. But it comes up in the context

562
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: of you can have an impact, but you got to

563
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Speaker 1: keep doing it. What do you think are the challenges

564
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: with sustaining that momentum? You know, I think the stat

565
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: is that if one if one party wins the presidential

566
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: election and there's a special election coming right after that,

567
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: the other party usually has more turnout because the winning

568
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: party says, okay, we did our part, we got our

569
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Speaker 1: win here, and then kind of sloughs off everything else.

570
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Speaker 1: How come it's so hard for people to sustain momentum

571
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Speaker 1: in politics.

572
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's hard to sustain momentum in anything,

573
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Speaker 2: you know. Like I remember, I remember one of the

574
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Speaker 2: one of the phrases that I saw this year that

575
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: gave me a chuckle, but I understood what it came

576
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: from was this idea of ally fatigue. It was like

577
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Speaker 2: this idea of like, you know, twenty twenty, a lot

578
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: of people felt a lot of things and you know,

579
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Speaker 2: people putting black boxes on Instagram and blah blah blah.

580
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Speaker 2: And then like like by the fall, folks were like,

581
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: you know, being an ally is hard and I'm tired,

582
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, And it's very easy to mock that, and

583
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: I did mock that, but I also it's just like

584
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Speaker 2: it's hard for people to just keep doing things that

585
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: they're not used to doing, you know. And I think

586
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: when it comes to politics, we get caught in this

587
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: seesaw sometimes where it's like, Okay, it's our turn to

588
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: be invested and then let's take a break. And then

589
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: like while we are taking a break, they're like, Okay,

590
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: this is our turn to you know, hit R one

591
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: and go turbo, and then like they got it, and

592
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: then like we just kind of keep going back and forth,

593
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, part of I remember in

594
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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen when Osof was in his first runoff, so

595
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: much of what was being talked about is like there

596
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: was so much energy about like leading up to that

597
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: general election, and then once it didn't go the way

598
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: everyone wanted, you know, you just lost like half the

599
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: people because they're like they're just like I'm spent. You know,

600
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Speaker 2: Like how do we keep people just like with their

601
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: foot a little bit on the gas like forever? You know,

602
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: it's like a hard thing to ask, but it's extremely

603
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: necessary and like we have to find interesting ways to

604
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, keep people invested, which is you know, part

605
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: of the reason why making a podcast, you know, during

606
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: the holidays like the one of the easiest times for

607
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: folks to just like disconnect. Like that's part of the

608
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: reason that we wanted to make this like and like

609
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Speaker 2: make it in a very quick, fast, intense way, is

610
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Speaker 2: because you know, it's really easy to like lose people's interest.

611
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Speaker 2: You know, like we're talking about like an election that

612
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: people expended so much emotions it doesn't go perfectly, and

613
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Speaker 2: then you have Thanksgiving, Christmas, a pandemic, New Year, like

614
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: all these things that typically take people's attention away. So

615
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: like that's part of the reason that I wanted to

616
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Speaker 2: do this. It's like, may like if this can just

617
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Speaker 2: be one of the many things to like keep people

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Speaker 2: thinking about this instead of just kind of being like, oh,

619
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Speaker 2: like I I did it once, you know, like I

620
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: hope I did it once, and I hope it works out,

621
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Speaker 2: you know, trying to just break through that like I

622
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: hope it works out and having people understand like no,

623
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: like when you just hope it works out, it typically

624
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: doesn't work out.

625
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta do something. But I mean, I think

626
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: it comes at the perfect time because I mean it's

627
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: easy to forget that the election was literally last month.

628
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: It happened last month, right like it's still December. It's

629
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: nearly two months ago, but it wasn't that long ago.

630
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Speaker 1: But it's easy to forget that kind of stuff. I

631
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: can remember being super disappointed when osof lost to Careen Handle.

632
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: I remember being super disappointed when Stacy Abrams lost to

633
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: Brian Kemp. But you know they're back now on the

634
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: scene in twenty twenty doing important stuff for Atlanta. Something

635
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: else you're learning from this podcast is just the non

636
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: linear nature of the change of progress, right, and the

637
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: need to keep doing stuff because stuff keeps coming up.

638
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: You say, in a couple of these episodes, there's Atlanta

639
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: and there's Georgia. We got the runoff election next Tuesday.

640
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: Both Georgia Senate seats are up for grabs. In one

641
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: of the races David Purdue and John alsof and the

642
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: other Kelly Leffler Raphael Warnock. It's basically for the control

643
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: of the Senate. If people don't know, there are forty

644
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: eight seated Democratic Senators fifty Republicans, and if Georgia is

645
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: able to win both of these seats, it'll be fifty

646
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: to fifty. The tiebreak goes to the vice president, it

647
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: will be a Democrat. What is this concept of Atlanta

648
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: versus Georgia. Atlanta and Georgia. There's Atlanta, there's Georgia. Like

649
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's a little bit purply. You know, we're

650
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: calling Georgia blue now, but it has been purple. I

651
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: remember when it's exciting to put Georgia is purple on

652
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: a sign a couple of years ago. What is this

653
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Speaker 1: concept of the two sort of different waves in Georgia.

654
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: What's that going to mean for this runoff election.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, and a is a super important thing

656
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: for Jule and I, and making this podcast was making

657
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: sure we stress the importance of Atlanta and Georgia, but

658
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: also not pretend that, you know, Atlanta did it by itself,

659
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, like I do think that part of growing

660
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: up in Atlanta is being very proud of Atlanta and

661
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: sometimes having blinders on everywhere else in Georgia that's not Atlanta.

662
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: And so you know, it was really important for us

663
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: to do things like talk to the mayor of Savannah,

664
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Speaker 2: talk to the mayor of Albany, like people who live

665
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: in places, you know, with kind of like, for instance,

666
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: like an invisible black population for example. You know, like

667
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: there is kind of a notion that like Georgia is

668
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: a very red white state and one hundred percent of

669
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: the black people live in Atlanta, and it's actually not true.

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00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: And actually when you look at the map, yes, like

671
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: like Georgia does it probably doesn't even go to Biden

672
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: if it's not for Clayton County, you know, to some

673
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: degree or or some of the north side, north of

674
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: north of Atlanta counties. But you also look at you

675
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: know these like pockets around Savannah, pockets around all but

676
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: the pockets around Athens, Like these are places where people

677
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: did work, just like the work that was done in Atlanta.

678
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: And you know, for me, I am I am always

679
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: in a in a in a place to like kind

680
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: of call myself out on prior biases that I had,

681
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: Like I was very ignorant about Georgia. You know, I

682
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: like a couple of years ago, I wrote something for

683
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: bon Apetite where I basically confronted my own biases with

684
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: Atlanta as like not just a black and white city

685
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: and like discovering all of these different cultures and I

686
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: knew existed, Like I knew Atlanta had a had a

687
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: growing Latino population. I knew Atlanta growing Asian American population,

688
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: But in my mind Atlanta was just black and white.

689
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: And then I had to like really take a step

690
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: back and realize like what was happening in my city

691
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: and how this was a good thing. And I think

692
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: that's also part of what is happening in making this

693
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: podcast with Georgia. It's like, yes, like Atlanta did the

694
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: damn thing, Like Atlanta really did it and like and

695
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: I could not be more proud of Atlanta. But it

696
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: was not Atlanta alone that got us to a place

697
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: where we are right now. So yeah, I mean it's

698
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: I used to say there's Atlanta and there's Georgia in

699
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: kind of an anti Georgia way, like as like no,

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Speaker 2: like Atlanta has it like a like like as if

701
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: two eighty five was like a wall, you know, and

702
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: it's like, no, like Atlanta is very much part of Georgia,

703
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: and we can get to a place where Georgia is

704
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: something to be super proud of as like, no, I'm

705
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: from Georgia, like I'm from Atlanta, but I'm also from Georgia.

706
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 2: Like that's an exciting thing to feel proud to say.

707
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Speaker 3: You're saying you're down with OTP.

708
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm down yeah yo I I I will never forget

709
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: the the like the anger. When my mom moved outside

710
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 2: of the perimeter, I felt I was like, oh, what's next?

711
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: Do I need to get rid of this four or

712
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: four area code? Am I about to be a six

713
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: seven eight guy? Like what? Like what the hell is

714
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: going on? But you know, I have embraced. I have

715
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: embraced Metro Atlanta as much as I have embraced the

716
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: city of Atlanta. So you know, it's you know, folks,

717
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: folks from here live everywhere like you live, you live

718
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: where you need to live. But the the ideology has

719
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: spread around the city and the state, and that's that's

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Speaker 2: proven to be a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, around the city, in this state, and even around

722
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: the country. I found after the presidential election, people really

723
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: wanted to assist in any way they could for the

724
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: Senate runoffs. And so a question for you, just just

725
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: to have it out there on record, what can people,

726
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: whether they're in Georgia or throughout the US do within

727
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 3: the next week. I can't believe it's seven days away,

728
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: but to assist or even if it's going forward past that,

729
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: what can people do?

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Speaker 2: Well? You know, I have been reading a lot about that,

731
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: and you know, if you know people that live in Georgia,

732
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: like I think it is a very good thing to

733
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: do to like check with them, like do they have

734
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: a voting plan, Like are they voting? Like are they

735
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: aware of what's going on?

736
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Like that?

737
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: That might be a given to some folks, but it's

738
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: just not a given I feel like that's like a

739
00:41:54,320 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: very good thing to do totally. I also think while

740
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: money is not like the thing that wins elections, like

741
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: in the going down the home stretch, money is something

742
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: Donating is something that really impacts, you know, visibility right now,

743
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 2: Like if you turn on a TV in Georgia, there's

744
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: like it's like eighty percent commercials right now, and like

745
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: those commercials cost money on the radio like everything, and

746
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: you know, these candidates need money to keep you know,

747
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: it's not just being visible in like the biggest places,

748
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: but being visible in pockets that really matter. So you know,

749
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Speaker 2: I think if if you've been waiting for a moment

750
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: to donate, this is a good moment.

751
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: At some point.

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Speaker 3: It's an important point because I think we're a few

753
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: people on our show that are pretty politically conscious. But uh,

754
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: there's some people who just don't vote. That's just not

755
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 3: their thing. But to see a YouTube video of John

756
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Speaker 3: os Off, you know before there, before they watch you know,

757
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: clippers Bucks highlights, that would it would be beneficial.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: It is kind of it's a It's something that I

760
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: don't think about because it's just not for me. But

761
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: when you're right, you see all these ads, and some

762
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 3: of them are terrible and some of them are absolutely

763
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Speaker 3: one falls. Uh it's important, sorry to interrupt, Go ahead.

764
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Speaker 2: No, I think that's I think I think that's legit.

765
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 2: You know. I think we're at a place now where,

766
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: like I, you know, I I haven't made it much

767
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: of a secret that I you know, I grew up

768
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: with asof like I've I've known him for for more

769
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: than half of my life, you know. But you know,

770
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: I've also had people come up to me like wondering

771
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: about you know, specific point like policy point XYZ, and

772
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you know, when I think it, when

773
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: it comes to like being on the fence of voting

774
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 2: or not voting, I keep telling folks like, hey.

775
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: Like.

776
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: Let the person get in office, you know, like, let

777
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: the person get Like the thing that I'm excited for

778
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: is seeing what happens once people can actually get to work.

779
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 2: We've like, I think there is campaigning and then there's

780
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: actually doing your job. And I'm like, I really want

781
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: some people to actually get a chance to do their

782
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: job and be a part of the political system, which

783
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: involves like you know, raising red flags when you disagree

784
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: with someone. But like we're just like stuck in this

785
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: like campaigning cycle that I think everyone is exhausted by.

786
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: It's just like like even people who are so like

787
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: investing than this, Like that's the hard part about the runoff.

788
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: It's like it's more campaigning.

789
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: I still think fondly about that week after the general election,

790
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 1: when there weren't political ads every single every single break.

791
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: I know that Rafael Warnock's name is at the bottom

792
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: of the ballot. It starts with W. Of course that's

793
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: where it's gonna be. Yeah, but remember it's not just

794
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: twenty eight three sports talk that comes up. You also

795
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: spoke to Angel mccawtree Las Vegas Aces, formerly of the

796
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: Atlanta Dream. She opens up about how let down she

797
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: was by Kelly Leffler, owner of the Atlanta Dream, who

798
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: not long after taking not long after being appointed as

799
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: a senator to the United States Senate, she comes out

800
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: against the Black Lives Matter movement. She gets embroiled in

801
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of an insider trading scandal. Soon thereafter,

802
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: we see numerous WNBA players sporting vote Warnock shirts in

803
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: the wubble. What kind of an impact did the WNBA

804
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: have in November's election?

805
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: The WNBA has like time after time, seemed to have

806
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: less hesitation in being politically active and on the right

807
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: side of history, and like needing fewer things to you know,

808
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: seemingly give them permission to speak out. I think it's

809
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, maybe this was seen as

810
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: like a little thing, but it's just happened over and

811
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: over again, year after year after year where I feel

812
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: like other leagues and other players and other cities, you know,

813
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: like to some degree, it's not just leagues, but you know,

814
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: I think what we saw in Atlanta from the Dream

815
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: impacts what we see from the Hawks, you know, Like

816
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: I do think there's like some there are movements that

817
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: happen within cities and the teams in those cities that

818
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: really starts to catch fire. And I really think, you know,

819
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: to see a team wear vote Warnock shirts and to

820
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: see that spread not just on that team but throughout

821
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: the WNBA, throughout the league, that is that is extremely

822
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: powerful stuff that like is a part of twenty twenty.

823
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: Like that's a part of what happened in Georgia, you know,

824
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: and what happened in this election cycle. Something that you

825
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: just can't expect players to do because it puts you

826
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: were you're putting yourself and potentially your money in jeopardy.

827
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: And that's often the moment where people like start to

828
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: take a step back. It's like, well, I don't you know,

829
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I want to speak out, but I don't want to

830
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: jeopardize anything. Like athletes that have a lot to be jeopardized.

831
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: Athletes that are not making you know who, finds aren't

832
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: just like little drops in the bucket. Finds could be

833
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: massive percentages of what you're making. To see those players,

834
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: those athletes make stands like that, like that's like that

835
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: is that's putting society before your day job. Like that's

836
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: that's what I think we all hope we do and

837
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: then often don't do. And so to see to see

838
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: athletes to do that, I mean, it's it's inspiring and

839
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 2: it it also is the type of thing that makes

840
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: it more commonplace. It makes you want to do it

841
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: in just you your job, like non athletes folks who

842
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: are you know, working at wherever, Like it makes you

843
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: want gives you a little bit more confidence to put

844
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: your name on the line because you've seen other people

845
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: do it. So like I'm just I'm always impressed by

846
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: many of the athletes WNBA, and it's also just like

847
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: exciting to see that happen in your city.

848
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely lead the way amongst athletes, which makes

849
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: me wonder how you think the NBA sort of fits

850
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: into this story. There are a number of social justice

851
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: initiatives at the forefront of the bubble. They had Black

852
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: Lives Matter on the court, they had their approved messaging

853
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: on the jerseys. Committees and coalitions were formed. They had

854
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: a pledge from the governors to be to be donating

855
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: for the next ten years. But maybe the best or

856
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: the biggest direct impact was opening arenas as polling places.

857
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: What's the NBA's role in the social justice movements?

858
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I am. I tend to care

859
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: a lot more about what individuals say than you know,

860
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: sweeping initiatives, because those can feel sometimes a little lip

861
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: servicey and like sometimes it's like, well, what does this

862
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: actually mean? Like, yes, like pledging money and stuff like

863
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: That's that's directly impactful oftentimes, but you know a lot

864
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: of times it feels like, let's start another committee, let's

865
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: do this, you know. But you know, going back to

866
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: like thinking about the Hawks coach again, uh, thinking about

867
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: Lloyd Pierce, You know, hearing him, you know, make a

868
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: speech at a rally in Atlanta, you know, and having

869
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: you know, not even been in Atlanta for that long,

870
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: having him like step into a role in a city

871
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: that is a very civil rights city and have that

872
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: be a leader, like not just in an organization, but

873
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: in a city like that, Like that does it for me,

874
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: Like that feels powerful, you know, so like and I

875
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 2: think that trickles down into you know, seeing Trey at

876
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter rallies, like I think suff like seeing

877
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: people actually make statements that came out of like their

878
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: own head, you know, like seeing people, you know, hearing

879
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: how people actually feel about things, and seeing people do

880
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: things that don't always feel so media trained and pre

881
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 2: planned and you know, perfectly packaged but like a little

882
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: raw like stuff like that makes me feel that the

883
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: NBA has a pulse and when it comes from leadership,

884
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: like it's there's a reason when Lebron does stuff is

885
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: powerful because he is the de facto leader of the league.

886
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: You know, Like it doesn't hit the same if it's

887
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: like the tenth guy on the bench, you know, like

888
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: that it but when it's the guy, people follow the guy.

889
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 2: And so to see that from from coaches. You know,

890
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: there's a reason. I mean, there are lots of reasons,

891
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: but like that's one of the reasons. Like someone like

892
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 2: Popovich was is incredible because he just like seemed like

893
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: he would just say what he felt and be like,

894
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: you know, do with that what you want, Like this

895
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: is what's right, this is what's wrong. It's like wow,

896
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: like that dude has a moral compass and there are

897
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: things that matter beyond basketball. And I think the more

898
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: the NBA continues to allow individuals to be individuals and

899
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: say things like that, that's where the real power for

900
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: me of the NBA as a league that's not silencing

901
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: its voices.

902
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Havy, follow the league the way we have for

903
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: a decade and a half. This is definitely the year

904
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: where people have voiced their voices. Is more than ever

905
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: they it has become it hasn't become taboo now to

906
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: talk about these things. It has become more sort of

907
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: attainable personal. Even when you talked about like being a

908
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: politician with capital B and that being sort of a

909
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: lofty perch that's unattainable, it's now sort of permeated through

910
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: the airwaves in the NBA world in a way that

911
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 3: hasn't happened before. But we're all just talking about voting,

912
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: and Lloyd Pierce is definitely one person who's done that.

913
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: The players throughout the league whatever, the turnout rate was

914
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: something like ninety percent of players were registered to vote

915
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: and voted. It's it's a ridiculous number and in a

916
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: good way, obviously, And that's why we saw a turnout

917
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: unlike anything since the year nineteen hundred, as you say

918
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 3: in the show, that was like sixty six point five

919
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 3: percent of eligible voters voted. It's a it's just something

920
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: you talk about and people are talking about now and

921
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: it obviously resulted in something positive that it's just become

922
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: less of a well, politics is a thing that happens

923
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: over there, and now it's a thing that happens in

924
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 3: my living room. And it's just so frick and import

925
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: that it's not just campaign season all the time, which

926
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: I I hope I never get over how dumb it

927
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: is that politicians are just campaigning forever. As a foreigner,

928
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: as a Canadian who comes here like like I get

929
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: sucked in. I mean I get sucked into the soap opera.

930
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 3: That is sure, the back and forth between us off

931
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: and handled. Sure, for eighteen fricking months. It's not that long,

932
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 3: but for so freaking long. The issues are the issues,

933
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 3: and they and those don't go away, and and campaigning

934
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: is just a campaign. Yeah, that is.

935
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: That is has always been one of my big pet peeves,

936
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: which is like as soon as you win, it's like

937
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: time to start again. It's like, does anyone ever just

938
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: like do focus on the job or is just like

939
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: are you just trying? Is the job staying employed? You know?

940
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: And that that our reelection fun As soon as you're election.

941
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: That becomes very frustrating.

942
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: Well, we love the podcast. Episode three just came out today.

943
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: I can't wait to listen. I was one hundred percent

944
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: sold on this when you mentioned you went to pi

945
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: daa school shout out to Pidaea. Then we're talking about

946
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: Manuel's tavern. This is great, Rembert. We're all hoping for

947
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: the best Tuesday. But before we let you go, we

948
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: got to play a game. We've been following you for

949
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: a decade. I was gonna say, I know you love

950
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: a vintage jersey, and then you show up wearing a

951
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: new vintage jersey. The Big Boy Outcast Atlanta Hawks jersey.

952
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: This thing is a banger.

953
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: Remember it's hard man.

954
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: Anyways, NBA teams they're getting new jerseys every single season.

955
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: Some of them are great, some of them not so much.

956
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna show you one of these new City edition jerseys.

957
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: You tell us, tell us if it's classic, if it's trash,

958
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: or if it's a future classic, something that's gonna look

959
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: great in a few years. Your first city Jersey City

960
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: never sleeps. The New York Knicks. This one's been getting

961
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: dunked on hard.

962
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: For oh man.

963
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: Uh.

964
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: The Knicks have a great collab with Kith and it

965
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 2: like the the stuff looks good. This square space like

966
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: volleyball jersey is terrible. I this is trash. I please

967
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: get this off my screen.

968
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: So sorry to offend your next one. The New Orleans Pelicans,

969
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: going with the florid de les and the intense color

970
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 1: blocking classic trash or future classic.

971
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: It this feels like something I have made in Microsoft paint.

972
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: But it might grow me. This might be a future classic,

973
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: but right now it is not doing things for me.

974
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, that's exactly how I feel like. This clearly

975
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: looks ridiculous for an NBA jersey, but so did the

976
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: Bucks one that had like a Bucks drawn on it

977
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: with a crayon. So does a hawk's spread wing jersey.

978
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: You gotta take some risks.

979
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: Also, I will say, I will say there are some

980
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: jerseys that look a little silly in people who are

981
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: jacked and like the small, the small small armholes like

982
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: with this one. I just this feels it feels smaller

983
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: than it probably actually is.

984
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: You're probably right, all right. Next jersey, the Oklahoma City

985
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: thunder Rocking, the gash Station Nascar look classic, trash future classic.

986
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: This is an absolute classic. This is I know it's

987
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: it's weird, but I love gas station chic. This looks

988
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: like I feel like I would put this on and

989
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: just like Drive West, I just like I'm gonna go

990
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 2: on a road trip.

991
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: This is This is Screams of the South, no doubt,

992
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: I hope. Yeah at the gas station. Yeah, it makes sense.

993
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: Also, the the loves the ad. It feels perfect on it.

994
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: This like this straight up straight up Earnhardt like Gordon.

995
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: This is great. This is good. This is this is

996
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: a current classic.

997
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if you buy this, they actually throw

998
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: in a pack of slim Gems with it, which is

999
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: pretty exciting, you know, you're got something to eat in

1000
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: a nice new jersey. All right, got a couple more

1001
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: for you here. Remember, here's the Suns the Valley uniforms.

1002
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: This is a bad jersey.

1003
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: You don't like this.

1004
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: I do not like this. It looks like an iTunes visualizer.

1005
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: It is.

1006
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: You know what I think it's The Suns have had

1007
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: many classics, and I think they are. The reason this

1008
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: is tough is that, like it's just not at the

1009
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: Sun's classic level that they have hit multiple times. So

1010
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: I say, I say, this is not it. This is

1011
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: a trash This is a trash can.

1012
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: Oh it's a full on trash can. That's not good.

1013
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: All right. Our final jersey the Brooklyn Nets wearing the

1014
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: Boskiach jerseys classic trash.

1015
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: Oh man, he just couldn't have wanted this, yeah, basque.

1016
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: You know, if someone gave it to me for free, though,

1017
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: I'd wear it tomorrow. This is like probably a future classic.

1018
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: It's definitely not a classic right now. It feels it

1019
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: feels a little culture vulturely a little jay z is

1020
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: way too rich. But uh, it's not trash, but it's

1021
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: not currently classic.

1022
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm with you on all counts. Rembert.

1023
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. I mentioned it

1024
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: off the top. You've got an easy Twitter handle to remember.

1025
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: You must know people over there to get you hooked

1026
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: up with that. Let people know where they can follow you,

1027
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 1: what they can be expected in the next couple couple

1028
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: of weeks.

1029
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can follow me at at rembert r E

1030
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: M b E r T where I will be for

1031
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks, pretty much talking about this

1032
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: podcast gaining ground the New Georgia. We've got two more

1033
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: episodes left, an episode coming out on the fifth of

1034
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: January run off day, and then a final episode, which

1035
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 2: we have no idea what that episode is going to

1036
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: be like because it's completely dependent on how the election goes.

1037
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: So we are making this thing in real time. But

1038
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to Cricket Media,

1039
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: to Tenderfoot TV, and of course my co host Juel Wicker,

1040
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: who is the jam.

1041
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great podcast. Sounds like you're gonna be

1042
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: heading back to the closet to lay down some more

1043
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: sick voiceovers. Can't wait to hear it. Thank you to

1044
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: everybody out there listening, whether it's on the podcast or

1045
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: on the athletic app. You can subscribe at the athletic

1046
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: dot com slash no dunks, where you can still get

1047
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: that buy one gif one deal for a few more days. Also,

1048
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: thanks to anybody checking this out on our YouTube channel,

1049
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: follow us everywhere at no dunks Inc. That's Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,

1050
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: even at TikTok. Maybe we'll get some votes going there

1051
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: on the TikTok anyways, you can get your no dunks

1052
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: items at no dunks dot com. We will be back tomorrow.

1053
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: If you live in Georgia, make a plan to vote

1054
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: on January fifth.

1055
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: You could say ooo every day and I'm be happy

1056
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: every minute. It's been so long that your no wana

1057
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: waiting for.

1058
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 3: It's happened already.

1059
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna be griovy.